Look at this retarded electrical fuck.
I was disassembling the wood panels in my basement and behind one of them was pic related.The guy who built those panels in the 80s had made a socket for the junction box in the concrete wall so that it would fit behind the panel. But seems he had enough with hammering the wall off and decided to leave the box's lid off to make it fit there.
That is, in my opinion, so retarded that I had to take a picture of it for you guys.
Also, look at where the cable goes at the top left.
I especially way the way a 4 way junction has that fifth wire sticking out the front...
As for fixing it, OP's got it easy. Tear it out, put a modern proper junction box in, and have a hole with a plate cover. And presto, you're up to code.
It comes trough the wall again here and goes to the corner above. From there it goes with the cables in the previous picture to the switchboard.
But the next picture makes it somehow confusing.
This hole here. It is the same hole as in the first picture in this thread. How fucking easy it would've been for the guy who installed the junction box to take all the cables trough that hole and install the junction box there, since there is no wood panels or anything in there and it would've fitted with no problem.
There's also this - supposedly made by the same guy as the previous things. It's not even in the basement (you know, "it's just a basement, you can do retarded installations there"), it's in a bedroom.
Also this. HIDE IT INSIDE THE MOLDING THEY SAID.
The cable continues it's epic journey for about two meters until it ends in the next picture.
>complains about wiring job
>lasted over 30 years just fine
This is a better way for suicide: put an electrical heater next to your shower. Next picture will show you how it's turned on and off.
Installing a heater is simple: just drill a hole trough the wall. Install the heater on one side and a power socket on another (the socket used to be where there red circle is but it came off when I tried to unplug the cable).
I'd tear everything out and install modern, grounded outlets everywhere along with sanitizing any layout issues.
You can do the wiring yourself, you just need a licensed electrician to approve it.
You call that a junction box?
-at's no junction box
< -IIS is a junction box!
>decided to leave the box's lid off to make it fit there
sometimes it's necessary...
Make sure you get a good one. We had a guy out here installing an outlet for a new stove (old one was hella old and was wired directly). I tell the mofo, hey, I already switched off the 220 line at the breaker for you. Dude says yeah, sure. 5 minutes later I hear a scream from the kitchen. The dumbass went to the breaker, looked at all the switches, saw that all but one switched one way, and decided they all needed to look the same for the 220 to be off. I come into the kitchen and this dude is running his hands under the water of the sink, like that helps electrical burns, while my drywall is on fire. 4 foot flame crawling up the wall to the exhaust hood. mfw. This dude was a licensed electrician and insured and had been working in the business "over ten years". Yeah, right. Then I hear the company wouldn't pay for the damages because the wiring with "faulty". No shit assholes, thats why I had you out here to fix the fucking thing.
6 months back and forth with these jerks trying to get shit right and I finally pay for the repairs myself. Luckily the smug little fucks didn't even show up to the small claims hearing and I got a summery judgment of the full amount I was requesting (which was just about double my total costs, lol). Sold the debt to a collections agency and still came out ahead. Got a call about 2 months later from the derps asking me to settle to get the collectors off their backs. Told them it was out of my hands, you should have ponied up when I first asked. Later I find that, while their BBB rating was A+ their Yelp score was 2 stars. Guess the BBB has gone to shit these days too, since you can buy good ratings form them now. Guess thats all you need to sucker old people and morons like me that don't check new media.
>Can I get the name of your electrician?
I do plumbing too.
It's non-covered, so it's not up to code. Mostly it's just badly done. The thing is, there aren't more wires going into that junction box than it can handle....it's just that most of the runs of wire IN the box are about four to six inches longer than they need to be.
It's ugly, it's clunky, and it's a snag hazard. Someone walks bellow that with something, it snags on those wires, and tugs, and you have a potential short. That could result in electrocution. It could result in fire. It could result in damaged appliances on that circuit...if it's the wire plugged into your computer, your computer might go poof.
>There aren't more wires going into it than it can handle
Do you even box volume?
Let's be generous and pretend that's a 60 cu in box. (It's probably 30)
And let's pretend that's 14 gauge wire so 2" per conductor in box... which it might be. I count 16 cables. so 16*2 = 32 conductors. so a 64 cu in box to start with? fuck me. + 21 connectors. Nigga u srs? + ground = 54 deduction size?
Just... no. That box would never be okay for that. There's so many punch outs in a box so you can line it up with conduit nicely, not so you can fuck every orifice it has.
>so a 64 cu in box to start with?
Use a bigger box - or more small ones?
I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him
not saying it would be a perfect solution, just that it would be entirely possible, with proper wire management, to actually have done the job reasonably proper. Obviously, yes, a bigger box would have been better, but it could have been done "safely".
Vehicular electrical is always fucked, though that's an especially interesting case.
Note that he's mid fucking renovation?
Basement junction "box" had special Finland smell to it, but that shower and sauna combo seals the deal.
I've seen some weird things also, mainly in the countryside. Some owner think they can do everything and as long as it works they think it's ok.
There's no way to make that boxbsafer without getting a bigger box. Even wire management and closing the lid it still exceeds the number of conductors you can have in a box that small. There is just no way.
Someone's got just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
Firstly, the capacity of the enclosure is not dictated by the quantity of knockouts, you idiot. There are knockouts all over the box to enable you to use the box a million different ways, not a million different conductors.
Leave this to the professionals before you start a fire.
No asshole. That many conductors in that box would never be safe. There are reasons your local code book would agree with me. Have a real electrician read them to you some time.
Vehicular electrical is not fucked. You just don't know how it fucking works.
I can see you've already been told,
but you can add me to the list of people telling you you're dead wrong.
If you were to clip those down, and manage to stuff it all into the box, you'd arguably be making it MORE hazardous, insofar as it would be even more prone to over-heating.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA OH SHIT this had me tearing up from how hard i'm laughing. I'm surprised there isn't marks on the floor from the knuckle dragger that made this. Someone archive this please
"I've got away with it so far."Is what retards say when you tell them to wear their seatbelt or a motorcycle helmet or safety glasses, etc... not wanting to believe that all these things we do for safety are in response to real injury. In other words, these safety rules are written in blood.
Fortunate is not the same as intelligent.
I bought a '58 jeep. Three days later, i'm parking and i smell something kinda burning. Some asshole had put cotton insulated wire for the headlights. Repaired it a little with my leatherman and a few days latter stripped the whole electrical wiring. That wasn't the worst part I must add.
Is there a book on this stuff or similar content where i can learn how to do this shit safe and with obeying the law/code?
I've made numerous through hole low voltage circuits so i am not a complete retard to electronics but mains voltage and house renovation stuff is new to me.
Yes. The codes are in a code book.
NEC (National Electrical Code) in the states, CEC (Canadian Electrical Code) for canada obviously, if you're from somewhere else use your country's codebook.
Can i become a sort of passable electrician by reading the NEC and watching youtube videos? (i have electronic engineering background)
There are always some friends or family projects which would require some high voltage work (by "high" i mean higher than 15V) but i always turn them down but now i became interested in doing shit with my two hands instead of looking at a computer screen all day. I think i kinda miss building modular synths and things like that.
sort of. they wont tell you how tightly to screw things in. most of it is common sense.
go build a lamp and come back. there are a few concepts involved in that like correct wiring, termination, mechanically securing the cable.
this all seems to be going in the direction that you're applying to work somewhere as an electrician but you're not qualified. mfw the first time you come up against a four point light fitting and need to google it blowing your cover.