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Old thread, three days dead: >>6454146

Anyway, a few questions for people posting their fantasies here, and get things really going, aside from the usual OC circle-jerk and endless Drama.

>What is the world like?
Is it our world with legal slavery suddenly introduced somehow? Is it a fantasy world? Is it sometime in the future?

>Who are the slaves?
Is slavery limited to one gender or one race/species? If so, are all people of that type automatically slaves? Is it possible for a free person become enslaved, or for a slave be freed?

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Are slaves common/cheap enough for the average free person to own one? Do the rich and powerful keep large harems as a status symbol?

>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
Would you be a slave or an owner? Would you own/be part of a harem? How would you treat your slave(s)/be treated by your owner?

And for less world-buildy fantasies:
>If you got the slave of your dreams today what would you do with them?
and
>If you were given to your ideal owner, what would you want them to do with you?
Both of these are pretty self-explanatory.
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>>6555745
OC on Pastebin from the last few threads:
>The Preacher's New Wife: http://pastebin.com/KQFeWBP8

>Griz and Scarlet:
(>>6098130 >>6109060 >>6101896) http://litphoria.com/roleplay/2253/lost-in-the-mountains

>Enslaved Goddesses (Pharaza’s stuff) (from >>6128148):
A Day In The Life (rehosted) (>>6137320) http://pastebin.com/Zxq6jVch
The perks of property (>>6140479) http://pastebin.com/DYMfw3vq
Fertility: A practical study (>>6172113) http://pastebin.com/n9rXe76J
Arlen's Tale, Part One (>>6202158) http://pastebin.com/VTLuZrdH

>Kaylee's New Life (>>6218151) (pastebins from >>6233442)
1 - http://pastebin.com/GN2TyrqA
2 - http://pastebin.com/wB1bd5R0
3 - http://pastebin.com/AFx1AXha
4 - http://pastebin.com/1ZZD6q4j
5 - http://pastebin.com/x2Zrjmsi
6 - http://pastebin.com/Dij0dmPj

>A1386G/Marie-verse:
>Main A1386G Series:
1: http://pastebin.com/Kmj7MVcW
2: http://pastebin.com/cjQXnstC
3: http://pastebin.com/YFdxsQCY
4: http://pastebin.com/EhxRfdWf
5: http://pastebin.com/bWHGCwPv
6: http://pastebin.com/mFRUaRwM
7: http://pastebin.com/ym3kvcUj
X: http://pastebin.com/6f4Qqh4u
>Side Materials and Flash Forwards for A1386G:
An encounter with A1386E: http://pastebin.com/mjRLDUcn
A1386G Side Story #1 Jimmy makes a Special Friend: http://pastebin.com/eA1iXSXp
A1386G Side Story #2 Katerina’s First Day: http://pastebin.com/uef0GjY1
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>>6555747
Actually, shit I forgot as well, because of an old version of the copypasta.

>Enslaved Goddesses (Pharaza’s stuff) (from >>6128148):
Arlen's Tale, Part Two (>>6279381) http://pastebin.com/9j1gFms8
Victory Comes For The Bold: (>>6280244) http://pastebin.com/e5HtRyhU


>Kaylee's New Life (>>6218151) (pastebins from >>6233442)
7 - http://pastebin.com/tGgPqCVz
8 - http://pastebin.com/bYEve6zA

>Unexpected Inheritance (>>6307412)
1: http://pastebin.com/LAtPyncM
2: http://pastebin.com/F6SnrH3d

>Cthulhu!!! (>>6264174)
1 - http://pastebin.com/WaPnYNjq
2 - http://pastebin.com/hYDztki4
3 - http://pastebin.com/pVPj7Epx

>Anne (>>6347712) http://pastebin.com/QsEyaTgT
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>>6556140
I don't know, but this photo always makes me slightly sad.
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>>6556809
It's the look of longing that does it for me.

Also the mittens, those are pretty hot.
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>>6556140
More by the same artist, whose name escapes me at the moment.

The art is amazing though.
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>>6555745
Time for your healthy dose of fantasy racism!

>What is the world like?
Think kitchen sink fantasy. This setting takes place on the continent of Korond, which is now wholly claimed by the kingdom of the same name.

The Korond kingdom is a human kingdom, though it has no official policies against non-humans. However, dwarves are rare in the region. The primary non-human humanoid race of Korond is the elves, and unfortunately for them, they in particular are not in such good standing.

Recently, Korond won a war against the elves, and as such, decreed the enslavement of all the forest elves of Korond.

Elves in this world are a primarily arboreal race. They are adapted to living in forested areas, and are adept climbers. Physically, they have less stamina than humans, however, and mentally, they are less creative and tend to seek to live among nature rather than to bend it to their will.

Humans, on the other hand, tend to live mainly in the plains. They aren't stronger than elves but have more stamina and can run for longer periods of time. They are exceptionally creative and inventive, and on other continents frequently partner with dwarves to create artistic and mechanical masterworks. Their war with the elves began when they started chopping down the elves' forests to make use of the wood. Humans are also the humanoid race most adept at using magic.
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>>6558377
>Who are the slaves?
Elves in Korond are now enslaved by nature. After the war, the status of elves was legally changed to that of property. All elves that are not claimed by a human owner are free game for capture. A free status doesn't exist for elvenkind, and they are not recognized as persons under the law.

Most male elves were killed during the war, and at present the population is unbalanced - about 60% of the male elven population was killed during the brutal war. As such, there is a terrible gender imbalance in the slave market.

The male elves that survived are primarily used for labor or housework. While single women with the wealth to buy slaves are rare in Korond, male slaves are popular among women for sexual use, though they must be vasectomized beforehand, as for a free woman to be impregnated by a slave would be scandalous.

Female slaves are popular for sexual use, and they're very plentiful. In general, they're very tractable and can be easily compelled to obey orders.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Humans. Not too much to say here. Again, this is a pretty bland setting, I just wanted to spark some embers in this thread.
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Perhaps this is a bit too tangential, but is anyone else here into ponygirls? Not the furshit kind, I mean human girls being made into beasts of burden.
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>>6558403
never been a fan of it because I know how actual ponies work and most people do not know how to treat an actual beast of burden, let alone a human one. that said, it does have its appeal to people who do it right. I personally don't have any love for the pony gear spacifically, but being made to pull and be steered in training with a gentle comand and an instant cooperative dance of submission and leadership is in itself a wonderful expression of slavery.

the problem is a lot of the fetishised human tac is just made to be reminiscent of gimp suits and the awful aids most amateurs use on horse training.
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>>6558403
I get way too big of a hard on for pony girls, or indeed any sort of dehumanizing labor like that.

The idea of being forced to do tasks that any beast, or in some case just general object, could easily do far more efficiently just turns me on like nothing else.

I dunno maybe it's the display of power on the part of master, that they could afford to force people to act as ponies or tables, or maybe it's my love of dehumanization.
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>>6557945
>>6557951
>>6557953
You know you can find it with the pixiv file name.
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>>6558753
I think you've hit the nail on the head for what about it appeals to me. I like being a sort of trophy slave while still being used as a beast of burden. Technically, an actual horse would be better at the tasks that would be demanded of me, but using a slave is a display of power and wealth.

Being this type of trophy, I'd be constantly out in the public view, drawing my master's vehicles. My body would be available for everyone to see, and I'd be powerless to escape the eyes of bystanders. There would be no escape for me.

As a ponygirl, I would not get treated like a human. My voice would be taken from me - I wear a bitgag at all times when I'm outside my stall, perhaps my vocal cords would be physically disabled (though not permanently removed). My arms would be continuously kept in an armbinder, restraining them behind my back. I don't need them, since the loads I bear would be harnessed to me and my legs are what I use for my work - even when I'm in my stall they're bound. For cleaning I would be restrained and then hosed down; I would eat food from a trough. And of course, a tail plugs my anus.

And of course, I can't touch myself. My hands are kept restrained at all times, and it's common knowledge that a sexually frustrated pony is a better worker. When I pass a stud in the street I have to now contend with another thing besides sweat slicking my inner thighs.
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>>6559644
Perhaps I would be the crown jewel of an aristocrat's stable. I'd be decked out in the finest leathers, jewels decorating the body that is owned by my master. I would mainly be used for show, to strut before his carriage, my body maintained in pristine condition and my labors rationed so as to demand exactly as much as possible without damaging me.

Of course, such a role would come with downsides - I'm to be aesthetically pleasing, and natural movement isn't so. I'd have to keep my back perfectly straight, having been trained intensely to remove any instinct to lean into my burden - but this position is mechanically more difficult for me to work in. My thighs must raise to be parallel to the ground with every step - I still remember the burning pain from my initial training. Now this behavior has been ingrained in me, and my thigh muscles are beautifully thick.

My armbinder would draw my shoulders tightly behind my back, causing pain but resulting in a pleasing curve to my chest, emphasizing my assets. Of course I can't wear this continuously - when not in public a simple pair of leather cuffs keep my wrists behind me where they belong.

My very body would be a piece of art, though I myself would not have the slightest of an opportunity to experience it.
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>>6559645
Or perhaps I'd live in a world where horses have gone extinct (warning: fantasy ahead. Keep your autism in check, it's obviously not realistic).

As a capture of a tribal war, I am to bear the burdens of the pygmy amazons. They kill all their male captures, but I, with training, will make an excellent mount.

I get used to the reality of being gagged all the time quickly due to my keepers' excellent training methods, and I learn to cope with losing the use of my arms. In my new life, I'm always naked, though I wish my harness wouldn't dig into my crotch so - It's just enough to turn me on but not enough to get me off.

In war, I'm a stable and mobile mount for my rider to shoot from. My training has given me the balance to function bound as I am, and I no longer have a mind of my own that would allow me to contemplate escape - all I know is that if I perform well, maybe I'll get to breed with one of the studs. That would be nice.

Anyway, sorry to just go off like that, but when I have these fantasies I can't help but share.
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>>6559646
I'll finish up with these two ponygirl-related manga:
http://exhentai.org/g/449573/11c71c7432/
http://exhentai.org/g/445051/b9cafa864d/
WARNING: The second one unfortunately has some guro.
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>>6559644
Fuck that's hot, but you know what else is hot? Your master using you as some sort of inanimate object.
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>>6559647
>unfortunately
lol
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>>6558403
I love it for all the wrong reasons. So many beautiful animals have been abused, I love the idea that the punishment is karma. Minor neglect sees the perpetrator serve time as a house pet, forced to amuse its owners and perform degrading tricks for dinner party guests.

Those who commit more serious crimes can learn what it's like to be a riding school horse, sleeping on their own filth in a dark stall, or thrown in a secluded pig sty and forgotten, or the bustier among them may find themselves forced to be a dairy cow, permanently shackled in a milking parlour. For the worst offenders, their sentence is permanent.

>>6558518
I would love to see some tac-based pony-play equipment for once...
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>>6558753
>tasks that any beast could easily do far more efficiently
I don't know, using a ponygirl to pull a rickshaw might be cheaper and easier than using a horse. (horses being expensive and all)
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>>6559647
>Has a ponygirl
>Doesn't make her carry the pack
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>>6560268
You know where it's at.

Personally I wouldn't actually want anything as extreme as pic related, but I do love the idea of just being an especially ornate piece of furniture. I'm not satisfying any need, just being a piece of decoration, perhaps utility.
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>>6560735
I think a rickshaw pony hits the exact right level of degradation for me.

To be ponified would be a lifetime status. I'd have been sold into slavery because of my parent's poverty, and the slavery decided that my athleticism lent to ponygirl service. It would be a life sentence; I'd know that I'd spend the rest of my days as a pony.

As a pony, it would be inappropriate for me to have human amenities. I'd live in a stable, and "indoors" are completely off-limits to me. I'd be owned by the rickshaw company; early each morning I'd be led out and hitched to the cart of the first driver to claim me for the day, and work would not cease until sunset (except for my driver's lunch break).

Rickshaw pulling would be a demanding and volatile job, as my route would be unexpected and speed would be of the essence. The lash of the crop on my buttocks is a familiar feeling, and I get used to dashing through the streets over uneven terrain and crowded traffic, carrying my riders past pedestrians and street stalls.

I don't remember what it's like to have my hands in front of me, or to be outside my stall without a gag in my mouth (speaking is off-limits for ponies). I'm privy to all sorts of conversation from my riders when we're not in a rush, but my mouth will never have the opportunity to repeat those things - I'm just a beast of burden.
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>>6560755
I have to say, that was quite the glaring oversight.
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>>6560777
You left out:

>The part where you'd frequently get bent over and fucked.

>The part where you'd get bent over and hosed down every night and every morning.

>The part where you spent a lot of time bent over a bench in your stall (with restraints if necessary) because that is the ideal resting position for a ponygirl.
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My slave fantasies are pretty soft and fluffy -- it's Hebrew style slavery, not American style slavery. Slaves are still slaves and can be bought and sold as chattel, but there are laws to protect slaves and release from slavery is common and in many situations required by law. Slaves have the option to stay with their masters permanently if they so wish.
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>What is the world like?
Science Fiction and Fantasy worlds are generally preferable to me; so remote in epoch as to avoid direct comparison to modern political situations or historical precedent.

>Who are the slaves?
Not particularly limited by gender or species, ideally it's people bred or naturally suited for slavery by inclination to serve; freedom may be possible for slaves, but shouldn't really be a factor.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Common enough to be afforded easily enough, the masters should be cultured and themselves self-disciplined.

>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?
Owner of one or more slaves; treatment should be reasonably sensitive to the needs of the slave, allowing time off and other human needs but tolerate no insolence or rebellion, there's no point in owning them if they're able to talk back or refuse anything except death at most.
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>>6560777
all this talk makes me wonder if you wouldn't mind just being a real pony. mlp ponies are certainly cute enough, certainly if you aren;t going to be used for sex, and you could pull more and little girls would want to pet your mane.
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>>6562370
is that you mannerly?
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>>6562844
Not him, but I'd imagine that most of it is still being nominally 'human', just not ever treated as such.
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>>6562857
probably, but transformation can be a kind of domination too, having your human form taken away so that the only thing you can physically be is a beast of burden, to the point where it's every little girl's dream to get you for christmas.
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>>6560268
That is what I am into, though less decoration/furniture and more like a passive fucktoy. That also veers over into Inanimate TF territory a lot.

Of course it would be incredibly greedy to claim that I would always be servicing my Master's cock, and unthinkable that the sex would ever have anything to do with my own physical pleasure. But guests/pets/customers... they can just stroke themselves off in my throat or cunt or ass and I would feel pure, true love.
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>>6562845
No, but apparently the two of us have fairly similar desires. It's like meeting a doppelgänger.

Well, aside from one of us just rolling with a modern, if allohistorical AF, setting. In retrospect, I probably read too many of the Draka books when I was a kid.
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>>6562063
>The part where you'd frequently get bent over and fucked.
Well, not quite.

See, scientific evidence has lent society the knowledge to know better. A privately funded group of researchers conclusively determined that ponies function better when they're sexually dissatisfied.

The feed that I eat is chock full of certain drugs. Specifically, there is a drug that decreases the capacity for logical thought, essentially temporarily (though constantly, since it's in ALL my food) decreasing my human logical capabilities. I'm still conscious, but my functional IQ would be about 20 points lower. This has the side effect of giving me a sort of "retard strength". I'm still aware enough to know what's happening to me.

The other effect it has is that it greatly increases my sexual arousal. Essentially, I'm always horny. However, masturbation is impossible, since my hands are restrained behind my back at all times and because my harness has a chastity shield to prevent sensation from getting through by grinding.

I WISH I'd get frequently bent over and fucked. Maybe then I wouldn't have to deal with the embarrassing streaks of my juice slicking up my gait whenever I pass a hunk of a man. Maybe then on each trip to the harbor I wouldn't have to desperately hope that the puddles I leave on the ground at the sight of the sailors will just be mistaken for seawater. I still have shame despite my drugs.

While my ass still sees plenty of use, it's not enough for me to get off.
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>>6563189
As the rickshaw companies' guidelines dictate, only the ponies' asses may be used - our mouths are only ever ungagged when we eat, and our pussies are not to be touched except by the breeding stallions. I still enjoy being bent over and having my anus used; I just wish I'd have my front hole used so I can get off every now and then.

>The part where you'd get bent over and hosed down every night and every morning.
Only in the evenings, and I'm not bent over - I have to be stretched out so every part of me can be cleaned. This is the only time my hands are ever not behind my back; my handler must be careful to hook each hand to the ceiling restraint without ever letting me have control over either.

The stable boys who bathe me love to taunt me, however. The better-looking ones like to take their shirts off and flaunt themselves in front of me, to get me horny. I often get "extra attention" on my sex - the boys have perfected the art of blasting me just the right amount to turn me on without getting me over the edge.

And they have to be good at it - letting a ponygirl cum would merit severe disciplinary action. I try to pretend like I'm not as far along as I am, but it's never enough to fool them.

>The part where you spent a lot of time bent over a bench in your stall (with restraints if necessary) because that is the ideal resting position for a ponygirl.
Absolutely. After all, that's how we ponygirls get our sleep.
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>>6563190
Actually, it's more accurate to say I am bent UNDER a bench, as pictured.

It's a tradition to ensure that ponies do not sit or lie down. After all, real ponies don't sit or lie down. However, it's impractical to have us sleep standing up, so instead we sleep similarly to this.

I get a cushion under my face so my muscles aren't damaged by my weight, and my knees rest on the ground. Regardless, it took me weeks to get used to sleeping like this. I have a lifetime to spend this way, however.

Of course, I'm still gagged at this time, and there is a wall to either side to prevent fraternization between ponies.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "a lot of time". Most of my day is spent working - I'm used during during the daytime shift, which begins at the crack of dawn and ends after around 8 PM (the nighttime shift is shorter, spanning from dusk to after midnight, but more demanding and more dangerous due to poor visibility). I do all my sleeping in this position, though.

The employees are free to use my anus during this time, of course. Restrained as I am, I can't fight it. Actually, due to my constant arousal, I anticipate these moments. It's frustrating to hear it going on to my side and not get to participate. Though I won't get off, it's still nice to be fucked this way.
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>>6559647
I'm being dumb today, can't cross the fjords anymore?
>Clear all e- and exhentai cookies
>Create account on e-hentai
>log in on e-hentai
>go to exhentai
>sadpanda
Did they change something or am I being braindead?
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>>6563189
accumulating juices and froth is something real horses have as they sweat. hosing you off is something a good trainer should do. but maybe that is not in your kink
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>>6563191
real ponies do sit and lie down, although rarely ever to sleep. they tend to sleep for maybe 2-3 hours total in a day though. i wonder if that would kill a human or if you could be made like a horse to power nap while standing.
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>>6563396
I think trying to force them into equine sleeping patterns is taking the pony imitation a bit too far. Just like you'd want to feed your ponygirl slaves food that's nutritious for them (even if it is out of a trough) you'd want them to get the full rest they need. Otherwise their performance will suffer.
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Playing Fallout 4 has got me thinking about slavery in a world like that. Where there isn't any widespread legal system in place, because the societies that exist are tiny and largely isolated from each other. Outside the few bastions of civilization, slavery would simply be a matter of those with the strength to take and keep slaves doing so.

Which would of course include raiders dragging people off to be gang raped. But what really interests me is the idea of a wandering adventurer/mercenary type of character taking a slave with him on his travels. Maybe he took her as payment from a town he helped. Maybe he found her chained up in the den of some raiders he'd just cleared out. Maybe she was a raider, who decided to surrender after seeing him mow down her gang. Regardless, he decides he likes her enough to keep.

At first he keeps her on a literal short leash. Hands tied behind her back most of the time, legs hobbled. Using her as a pack mule during the day, and a hole to fuck at nigh. But over time he starts to trust her with a little more freedom, so that she can serve him in other ways. Why do all your own cooking when you have a slave? He keeps an old spatula he found to use as a paddle when she needs to be punished.

Eventually she has opportunities to escape, or even kill him in his sleep, but she doesn't take them. As much as she resents being his slave, she doesn't know what she'd do without him. He protects her from far worst that's out there, and she's never gone hungry since he took her. In many ways he cares for her more than anyone did when she was free.
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>>6563259
>Did they change something or am I being braindead?
You need to manually fix the cookies.

Yes, it's as retarded as it sounds.
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>>6563882
I tried that. Wiped all e and ex cookies, logged into e, went to ex, manually copied my e-hentai over and nuked the extra ex-hentai ones.

I blame the government. Too busy banning porn that isn't consensual sex in the missionary position while paying prostitutes and diddling kids.
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>>6563911
Yeah, it can still bork up. If that is the case with you I have no idea what to do after that.

Last resort would be looking for a proxy but at that point I'd suggest you just use hitomi.la, which nowadays is almost an exact mirror to sadpanda anyways (minus one or two doujins that are uploaded exclusively to sadpanda and not just available via torrents or on scanlator's sites)
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>>6563259
You need the sandpanda extension. Or at least I suggest you get it, Ex-hentai and E-hentai aren't exactly the same thing, logging in on one won't log you in on the other.

On an unrelated note, am I allowed to talk about how I love maid slaves? Is that acceptable in this thread? Cause I fucking love "Maid" slavery.
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>>6563692
I suppose? but i mean, keeping you in a stall locked in one position when not in use is as awful for humans as it is for horses. yet the fetish is still as it is irrespective of that.
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>>6563391
see >>6563190
I described right there just how I get hosed off.

>>6563396
>>6563692
Yeah, obviously an exact imitation of equine sleeping patterns is unreasonable. I still get a standard amount of sleep (8 hours), and I don't have to do it standing like horses do, though I don't get to sit or lie down like a human would, either - all my sleep takes place with me secured in the sleeping position.

I have to remain standing when I'm not sleeping. That's a tradition that is upheld almost universally. The sleeping rack is a compromise that denies me a human sleeping position while still meeting the needs of my body.

>>6564351
Standing without moving IS dangerous for humans, but that's not what I said would happen to me. I don't actually get a private stall; just the sleep rack, which doesn't force me to stand (and it's designed to support my body). Obviously this still isn't probably healthy, but fetish.
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>>6564755
I realize that, thats in fact what i was responding to.
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>>6562845
>>6562893

>>6562370 here. Who is this Mannerly?
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>>6565473
The guy who writes A1386G.
He's in the Skype group.
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>>6564755
Eh, sleeping the way you described would probably actually suffocate someone.

It's probably better to just keep them cuffed and sleeping in a pile of hay.
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>>6555747
>Kaylee's New Life
>Calling a vagina a "sex"
When did this meme start and when will it die?
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>>6566997

Hey. Sorry to have triggered you, English is not my native language but I've seen that usage in other erotic stories. Surely not the finest example of literature but I thought it was accepted. In fact:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sex#Noun

> (countable, euphemistic or slang) Genitalia: a penis or vagina.

What gives?
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>>6566997
I haven't read much porn, recenly (in years) but I am pretty sure that used to be a common term. Anais Nin referred to female sexual parts as a "sex", in her book Little Birds. Maybe Delta of Venus... they are pretty much the same
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>>6567049
>>6567054
Oh, I know it's a thing, I just think it's a really annoying thing. Like, when I write smut, I avoid referring directly to the "goods" as best I can, so I don't have to come up with a good word for it. Then again, I do prefer more softcore stuff in the first place, but still... ergh. Nevermind me, I'm just being butthurt.

Very good English, >>6567049. I could not tell it was not written by a native speaker. The only real irregularity is the use of hyphens instead of commas:
>"No point in thinking about that now" - she told herself. "You have a plan. Stick to the plan".
A more standard way to do it would be something like this:
>"No point in thinking about that now," she told herself. "You have a plan. Stick to the plan".
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>>6567064

Yeah it's kind of weird, I don't remember why I chose that form to be honest but when I started writing more chapters I figured I might as well stick to the format I had chosen.

Anyway I dont write anymore. It was only a experiment.
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>>6567054
>>6567064
Eh, writing smut in general is a pain in the ass, since it's always hard to come up with good narration of things.
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>>6566467
I wonder, is it just one guy who makes posts like this in every thread, or is it multiple people? What do you have to gain from trying to commandeer other peoples' fetishes?
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>>6568420
Critiquing others' fetishes is my fetish.

Also, it's not the same person every time.
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I'm guessing you guys have already heard of it, but free cities is like nothing but slave content
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>>6570280

No, what is that?
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>>6570280
No, never heard of it. What is it?
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>>6570323
>>6570494

Guy from the /d/ wanted to make a Slave Trainer type game that wasn't as shit as the rest of the genre. And then he totally succeeded. Seriously check it out, it's text-only and rather sparse on the descriptions of the actual sex acts most of the time but it has a lot of options and you can really choose how nice or really fucked up you want to be.

He has a blog, but 4chan thinks the link there is spam so just google FreeCities and Blogspot and you'll find it.
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>>6570534
Oh, right, I actually made several of those slaves. I didn't realize it had been renamed.
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>>6563844
Did you play Fallout: New Vegas? One of the main factions, Caeser's Legion, has a ton of slavery. The women slaves are even explicitly pack mules and sex toys.

It's a fantastic game, I recommend it
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>>6570276
Has anybody played that game and seen if it is worth "reading" through it?
I have seen several pictures by that artist that seem to be slavery-related so I don't know if it is just one visual novel or just several of them (translation would be great but I always assume it'll have to be machine-translation).

Mostly asking because if the story or voice acting doesn't add much to them one might just stick to the CG galleries.

>>6568004
>Eh, writing smut in general is a pain in the ass, since it's always hard to come up with good narration of things.


>>6568004
>Eh, writing smut in general is a pain in the ass, since it's always hard to come up with good narration of things.
People underestimate how hard it is to write a story without it sounding cliched or outright horrible.

You might have a great idea for a smut novel but that doesn't mean you know how to phrase it in a compelling narrative manner.
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So many people here are talking about life as a slave, which is awesome, but there's not nearly enough talk here about the predecessor to that - the slave market.

To me the idea of being on the marketplace epitomizes what slavery is all about: the trade and commodification of flesh. As a slave, I wouldn't necessarily be a partner of my master, but rather his property, and as his property I'm not only his to use, but also a good that contains value.

The marketplace itself would be a physical manifestation of my lack of dignity. I'd be naked because my body is for inspection, the flesh that houses me not my own to conceal. My hands might be restrained behind me if I have a history of trying to hide myself.

On the marketplace, I'm a product to be sold, and I'd have to listen to my owner exhorting my virtues, not as praise but as selling points. These "compliments" would also remind me that I'm an object, and that as a slave, I will never be able to live my life for myself, that every moment of my existence is for someone else.

But more than that, being born into slavery means that I was bred. In other words, everything that I am was hand-crafted by a breeder through careful manipulation, and I'd have a recorded pedigree for my buyer to inspect. I'd live with the knowledge that who I am was crafted for the purpose of providing value.

That objectification is to me what slavery is all about.
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>>6574814
>On the marketplace, I'm a product to be sold, and I'd have to listen to my owner exhorting my virtues, not as praise but as selling points. These "compliments" would also remind me that I'm an object, and that as a slave, I will never be able to live my life for myself, that every moment of my existence is for someone else.

Yeah, that's pretty hot.
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>>6570534
Is the file you download from either dropbox or mega the whole game?
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>>6573938
Yeah. It's even harder if you've got a weird fetish that you're trying to push.

Like slavery is an easy one, since it's not that far removed from the normal psyche. Imagine the shit plushies and balloon fetishists must go through.
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Heres my idea what a slave world would be like:


>What is the world like?

Present day, to solve world poverty and over population voluntary slavery was/is introduced.

The way it works is anyone can volunteer to become a slave, who are considered a second class citizen in society and have 'some' legal protections. This basically mean that they must be fed and sheltered by their owners. They also cannot be perminatly disfigured for non-disciplinary reasons.

In return they are used as slave labour world wide. They have no free will and their owner can do whatever they want with/to them so long as it isn't in violation of the above protections.

It should be noted however that nobody enforces these rules for privately owned slaves. Only those owned by large businesses are monitored.


>Who are the slaves?

Multi-national and both male and female. Most slaves are gathered from third world and impoverished countries where the legal minimums of slave life look like a better option then their present life. Criminals are also accepted and once enslaved nothing that happened in their previous life can be held against them. A slave can never be freed.

Every slave is medically tested and if no major issues are found proceed to training camps.

The training camps average about 2-3 months long and are designed to turn the slaves into something usable to society. They also ensure that all slave have a sufficient knowledge of English/other language to be usable where they are going.

First month is mostly psychological reconditioning. This basically breaks the person and turns them into obedient slaves.

The rest of they time is spent teaching them enough skills to be useful as slaves.

Male slaves are normally trained for labouring jobs, while females are trained mainly for domestic service.
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>>6577502

>Who are the masters/mistresses?

In a first world nation, nearly anyone who wants one.

Import and medical costs are paid for by big businesses and agricultural groups who mostly use male slaves for their work force. They have all potentials screened and only the best of the best are accepted. The rest (which are still normally useful) are sold to the private sector after being mimimally trained by other slaves.

Pricing is based on condition, age and ability to make money.

- Young, fit and trained men are worth the most at between $50k-$100k each.

- Next is other men, who are less useful due to age or physical condition. They range from $10k-$25k.

- As they are the least useful as workers, female slaves are worth the least. Well trained female slaves are almost aways worth less then $15k, with many being worth less then $5k.

- Untrained/unbroken female slaves are normally worth between $1k-$2k with the very finest specimens toping out at $5k.

- Due to international trade agreements, non-sterilized slaves are worth $5k-$10k more as most countries don't want uncontrolled population growth. This means that many nations will sterilize incoming slaves for free.


>What role do you like to imagine yourself in?

I see myself buying raw slaves and running a training center. My personal slaves as instructors. I would mostly be doing custom orders for those that wanted their slaves to have 'special' skills.
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>>6577502
>>6577509
So, um, since there's the whole not all slaves are sterilized thing, does the principle of Partus sequitur ventrem apply or what?
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>>6577509
>Well trained female slaves are almost aways worth less then $15k, with many being worth less then $5k.
I'd think an exceptionally beautiful female slave would easily be worth more than any laborer. For the same reasons that a luxury sports car is worth more than a pickup truck.
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>>6570939
It's kinda surprising that a modern mainstream game would let you join a faction that believes women are meant to be slaves.

All you really see of it is some women wearing potato sacks and carrying around oversized backpacks. But that's what mods are for.
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>What is the world like?
The one where workers are paid less than what it would cost to actually clothes, shelter, and feed corporate owned slaves.
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So, Fan no Hitori's Dolls is amazing, even if I'm not really into mind control in my slave fantasies.

http://exhentai.org/g/878592/68ff970428/?p=1
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>>6578238
Presumably it's one with a really pressing chronic labor shortage, or it mostly involves businesses that don't want to pay compensating differentials for dirty, dangerous or demeaning work.
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>>6578332
Bout to feel pretty defenseless here, but is there a way to get through that panda on an android phone?
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>>6579287
Download firefox browser and app.
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>What is the world like?
A cyberpunk style future. Where we're is still mostly earth-bound, but have made major leaps forward in technologies like cybernetics and biotech.

>Who are the slaves?
Biological androids. Though they're living organisms, they're more built than grown. Genetically engineered stem cells are 3D-printed onto an artificial skeleton, creating a fully formed adult body in a matter of months instead of years. Which can be customized to have essentially any physical traits a human could have, as well as many more exotic options. Desired knowledge, skills, and personality traits are imprinted on the brain during its creation.

These artificial humanoids have no parents or childhood, and are usually made to order for a particular buyer. The polite fiction is to think of them as just a new sort of robot, and not really people. The word "slave" is generally not used. This is helped by the fact that they are usually designed to be submissive and enjoy whatever sort of service they're intended to provide. So they rarely demonstrate any desire for freedom, unless they're seriously mistreated.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Many are owned by corporations, mostly for customer service roles. Often a company will make bulk orders of one design. So when you go to a chain restaurant in a different town, not only will the menu be identical to back home, so will your server.

Middle class individuals can generally afford one or two biodroids per household. Used as domestic servants, nannies. and sex toys. The wealthy will have an entire staff of artificial maids, cooks, etc., as well as one or more dedicated solely to providing pleasure.
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>>6579287
Different anon here. Dolphin browser works too. Gotta have an e-hentai.org account. Once you've had it for about a week or two, (or if you can already log into exhentai.org) you can clear your browser cache/cookies, log into e-hentai.org and then go to exhentai.org.
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>>6579628
That's pretty cool. I love the whole denial bit there.

With everything that's described in regards to their creation and conditioning, I wonder if they would really have free will or not. If they aren't, I really would think they're more robots than people.
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>>6580448
The way I imagine it, they do have free will, but the deck is heavily stacked towards a particular path. They're "naturally" talented at their designated type of work, and predisposed to enjoy it. Along with their submissive demeanor, and the social pressures to conform, everything steers them towards accepting their position. It is possible for them to become rebellious, but rare.
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i have the fantasy of buying a slave and let him choose to be free or be with me and i would treat him like a boyfriend and not like a slave
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>>6580764
Ah. Yeah. That does make things a bit more fun.

Especially if you're the sort to needle them into having their own wants and desires so you can see them struggle in their heads.
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>>6580827
How would that work?
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>>6581548
They would all gradually develop their own individual interests and personality quirks, but for most those things would never take precedence over their predetermined purpose.

A biodroid maid might listen to her favorite band while doing housework, but probably wouldn't ever seriously consider asking to go to a concert. Such things are for humans, and she has so much to do around the house anyway.

Of course it would depend on lot of how their owners treat them. Some would be afraid to show any deviation from the set behavior their master expects of them. While others would feel safe (or even encouraged) to openly explore their own interests, as long as it doesn't interfere with their service.
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>>6582110
Ooh. that is pretty cool. Really humanizes the situation, while still keeping the idea of them as more or less durable goods intact.
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>>6579628
>>6580764
>>6582110
My fantasy is like this, a cyberpunk future, but the slaves are cyborgs made from real people. So there's no fiction about them not being human, they're just like indentured servants.
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>>6582927
Sounds like a non-grimdark version of w40k's servitors.
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>>6570280
its all from the dom perspective though
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>>6574814
preyy hot yeah but i like the kidnapping model just as much. hereditary slavery just strikes something primal in me in a good way, but ultimately, i am free, and would experiance my descent in the only way i can. as a free person becoming property
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>>6578109
but can you join as a girl?
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>>6580764
i can imagine a support group for the abused. where they are pitied because it would be so easy to let them enjoy their servitude, but now they are rebelling like an animal that doesnt know what else to do.
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>>6584057
Yeah, but it doesn't change much compared to a male character's experience. Ceasar makes an exception to his own no girl soldiers rule because you're such a badass.
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>>6582771
The idea was to create a scenario where the slaves are still essentially human beings, but it's easy for people to view them as a product. They're made to order, not born. Making it easy to discount their humanity. They first achieve consciousness as a fully formed adult, knowing their purpose and already adept at all the skills they'll need to fulfill it. Which usually leads to a happier less stressful life than the average natural human has. So it's easy to rationalize that there's nothing cruel or wrong about how they're treated.

There are people who do consider it slavery and want to end it. But the mainstream culture views them in the same light as people who want to "liberate" house pets.

>>6584061
That would definitely exist. Society at this point has pretty much fully rejected corporal punishment as a barbaric practice of the past. The lack of such harsh treatment is part of how they convince themselves that owning biodroids is different from slavery. So they're no legitimate reason to beat them (unless it's part of erotic play with one that was designed for masochism), and they might be taken away from their owners if abuse can be proven.

They would then go to volunteer groups who try to rehabilitate them. With the goal of eventually placing them with a new owner. Much like when dogs are rescued from abuse.

This would actually help reinforce the expectation of total obedience. There would be the perception that any biodroid that becomes rebellious must be broken in some fashion. Healthy units are happy to serve. Those who are chronically disobedient or agitated must be suffering from trauma or some defect in their initial mindstate.
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>>6584236
That all makes that universe sound so goddamned cool.
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>>6584291

I approve of your kinked up version of Blade Runner.
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>>6585581
God HJL does some cool stuff.
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>>6578332
That was great, thanks.
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>>6584439
Kinky blade runner is pretty cool.

Now are there any biodroids that are made to hunt down rogue biodroids?
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>>6566997
Sadly it dates back to at least the victorian era. I can't find the article, but somewhere on wikipedia there's an article about a victorian or georgian guidebook on all the best prostitutes in London and their specialities, and the article has some little excerpts of smutty descriptions of encounters with the women in the book, and one of the excerpts has this.

If this is truly a meme, could it be the oldest one on 4chan?
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>>6578332
hey first tour beond /b/ how do i get past the panda?
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>>6589345
Delete the cookie, and register on ehentai.
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>>6574814
this fucking guy, he knows.
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>>6579287
>>6589345
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/862231/8b46dbb5b1/
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>>6589225
>Now are there any biodroids that are made to hunt down rogue biodroids?

They might be used in a law enforcement role, which would include that. But probably always partnered with a human officer. People wouldn't be comfortable giving them that kind of authority without a human handler.

Rogue biodroids would pretty much have to have help. On their own they'd get caught quickly. While many could pass as humans visually, they would be tagged with RFID chips. Which most people could casually read from a few feet away, using wearable computers or implants. Not only would people know what they are, but if they'd been reported missing there would be an alert associated with their unique serial number.
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>>6584086
absolute fail on their part.
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>>6589297
because meme's are ideas in actuality, no it is not. the oldest would have to be writing.
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>>6591534
LoversLab has a mod called "msex Fort Slavery" which makes the Legion treat a female character more like how you'd expect. First demanding sex, and eventually outright enslaving you.
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>>6591627
doesn't sound all that compelling desu, what I had in mind was more story related. like being enslaved but still doing things. is that what they did? because my experiance with slavery mods in bethesda games boils down to RNG and a 3d porn game rather than a story about your descent into slavery and docility in a group like that.
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>>6555745
Slavery thread on /tg/ right now >>>/tg/44278316
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>>6591909
>like being enslaved but still doing things
Check RyonaRPG over at /dgg/ but be aware that the game is closer to nintendo-hard/dark-souls-hard

Also, you might want to read up on how japanese RPGMaker games are installed.

Aside from that the game gas you go into slavery if you go into debt in the in-game coliseum (you body becomes a collateral until you pay back the debt but you can still can go adventuring... just that the NPCs in town won't treat you like an adventurer but a slave)
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>>6591978
so by implication i was right about the mod you talked about?
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>>6592111
or not?
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>>6592111
>>6592309
I am more familiar with Skyrim so I cannot talk about Fallout 3 and New Vegas

Devious Devices for Skyrim does allow for anything in-between "just BDSM gear as an additional part of the game but no master/mistress" to "you have a master/mistress who expects obedience and subservience 24/7 and won't let you leave the house unless you escape or are so conditioned you will come back within his/her established time limit"
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>>6592491
mhmm, yeah thats the kind of thing i don't want. I want a story, like it sounds like joining this org specified earlier has some kind of story attached to it, you make decisions, the group makes progress as you help them, while you accomplish your own goals through them, getting more story as dialog between important npcs and you richens your interaction. for that dialog to take a sexist slavery focused theme where your assistance is needed but theres tensions over it becuase you are a woman, and talk and perhaps actions of putting you in your place, which may result in you more closely obeying them but never to the point where the game simply ends like a bad end, or gets caught in a loop of your dull stupid npc walking around with you on a leash and occasionally fucking you in public like oblivion.
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>>6592524
That does exist. Several of the optional additional mods give you story-driven quests.
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>>6584052
Absolutely.

Imagine being a free girl on the marketplace. All your life, you've expected human dignity. You thought of yourself as an individual with rights, and society agreed. You wore the clothes you wanted, said the things you wanted, and went where you wanted.

Then, you fall so deep into debt that you can't get out. The court pronounces the verdict - you will be enslaved. The size of your debt is enough to land you in slavery of an indefinite term - in other words, lifetime enslavement. Your last free breath sticks in your throat as you're led away.

A collar is locked around your neck, then you're appraised by a government slave inspector. Your hands are still cuffed behind your back - if they were free, they'd be fingering the collar, the first time an object has been placed on "your" body that you couldn't yourself remove. He coldly pinches your breasts, pulls on your jaw, and spreads your legs and uses his fingers to pry apart your sex to inspect its insides - and you physically are powerless to deny him.

On the auction block, you stand naked, strange eyes undressing you. You are not afforded dignity, and you realize that your body is simply a commodity. You're a piece of merchandise, and from now on, your body will be someone else's property. You will never again have the right to speak, the right to move. Those are privileges. You will never have the ability to realize your own hopes and dreams - your life will be spent as your owner sees fit.
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>>6592974
and this is for what? can you give any examples in more detail?
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>>6593025
>and this is for what? can you give any examples in more detail?
Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought you specifically were looking for videogame experiences where your (female) character gets enslaved but still gets sent to do quests for her master/mistress
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>>6593693
I am, assuming these quests are adventure related and aren't shallow, but what i am actually asking here is if there is such a thing for the faction in fall out previously mentioned, or anything similar. what I know about these mods stems only from oblivion's mods.
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>What is the world like?
Modern, basically. The entire premise is that the world's wealth begins to equalize all around the globe to the point where labour laws and the minimum wage globally increases so much that there's a multi-national corporate lobby to impose slavery. After many months of protesting, lobbying, bribery, riots and general social and governmental upheaval, slavery becomes legal internationally as basically a "we need cheap labour because economics".

The institution of slavery lasts as only a corporate thing, where companies create huge factories with thousands of slaves, but as robotics get better and better they make slavery more and more obsolete. Great, right? Human rights activists must be partying, right? Wrong. Governments all across the world begin to pass laws allowing private and personal slave ownership, as slaves previously owned and traded between corporations flood a market with no demand.

Thus begins the slavery boom. They begin pretty expensive, but "farms" start up where male slaves are fed viagra and are made to fuck female slaves for days on end to breed more slaves pop up and slaves begin to get cheaper and cheaper.

>Who are the slaves?
Pretty much anyone. Initially it's petty criminals, the poor and homeless but slaves quickly become a caste on their own.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Pretty much anyone from lower-middle class upward.

Cont.
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>>6594152
Now since everyone can pretty much own slaves, there is a rise in sexual deviancy and sexual fetishes being practiced. Everywhere, from creepy old men to you and I can live out their fantasies on people that are forced to consent. Slaves in my world have some nominal rights and protections, but since slaves are not allowed legal representation, there's an unspoken "don't ask, don't tell" rule in place. Slaves also are unable to be freed, and the children of two slave parents are automatically a slave.

This means that pretty women and handsome men are practically mass-produced, and if you're a cute girl to be sold, you're basically bound to get a complete weirdo.

It creates the most dark and strange scenarios, like some bigshot young businessman buying four or five pretty young girl slaves and turning them into his breeding sows. Or some millionaire that creates a "day-care" full of slaves in diapers treated like babies by the "staff" of slaves. Or some young girl buying a man and locking her in her closet to use as an on-demand dildo.
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>>6578109
>It's kinda surprising that a modern mainstream game would let you join a faction that believes women are meant to be slaves.

They had male slaves too though
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>>6594549
So? There are some male slaves in the Gor novels too.
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>>6593004
Sounds great.

What gets me hardest in slave trainer games is the auction. It's really good in Jack o Nine tails and sometimes I boot up Harem mate because you can randomly generate a row of girls and imagine that they're for sale.
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>>6594014
I only know in Skyrim and there is something specifically for the vampire faction (and to a lesser degree for other factions/bandits)

>Sanguine Debauchery enhanced
>Sanguine's Debauchery is a mod that subjects the player to enslavement as an alternative to death. Being enslaved by the opponents that defeat you in combat offers the player interesting story tangents and, above all, a continuous narrative in place of death and a reload screen.
>SD+ adds a number of new quests, sub-quests, and features that will expand and diversify your game. If you're looking for a mod that allows you new possibilities when you're defeated in combat (more than just "Oh, crap!", Ragdoll, Loading Screen), and especially if you've been looking for a way to have your favorite PC enslaved by all those nasty baddies running around in Skyrim, then Sanguine's Debauchery is the mod for you!

Also, you can have an alternate game start already enslaved using Immerslave or have your companions be your masters (effectively subverting the housecarl position) or have your horse be your master (with the pet collar)

Again, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You also have a much more classical BDSM mod where you are just a slave who has to either serve her masters or run away.
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>>6594014
>>6595197
Before I forget, one of the mods is a BDSM shop. While you can become enslaved to them you can also just run errands for them and "test out" equipment while you do other quests they give you (or just in general) and they can become effectively your masters if you are deemed submissive enough.
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>>6594549
>>6578109
>>6594606
It's not surprising if you have played the classic Fallouts before (which New Vegas draws from more heavily than FO3 and 4 do) where the world went to hell and society reflected that in all your encounters.

And let's be honest, women were not really "free" like men were in ancient Greece and to in Rome (though I'll admit it depends on which period you talk with Rome given it existed until the late Byzantine Empire)

Given that the Legion in New Vegas takes several liberties in their interpretation of Rome that are just convenient to them (rather than historically accurate) their interpretation that Romans viewed women as "slaves" is just one of many such twisted exaggerations (even if there is logic in what they say)
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>>6594994
Yeah. I totally get a misery boner off of it as well. Even if I always imagine myself as one of the buyers.

For some reason I always imagine them to be more like used car auctions than anything classy though.
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>>6594994
>>6596276
In my case, it's not so much of a "misery" boner. As should be fairly obvious given that I categorically write from the slave's POV, I definitely imagine myself as the slave.

I find something incredibly erotic, perhaps even primal about the idea of having a beautiful body that is valuable, but to lack agency over that body. Or perhaps it is more accurate to say that the high value of my body is what denies me agency over my body.

In a way, it's ironic that a valuable body would be valuable to everyone except the one whose consciousness is housed in it.

If there's one thing that being a free person means, it is that a free person has the right to self-determination. A free person has the right to choose his or her own destiny, own goals, own purpose. By the same token, a free person may also fail to find a purpose or have difficulty choosing among his choices.

Slaves are the opposite. They have one goal - serve their master. They are tools of their owner, and that is their one and only "end". They don't have the power to choose their own destiny or to strive towards their own goals, nor is there the possibility that they will wallow in indecision. The life of a slave is one dedicated solely and wholly to serving as a tool.
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>>6597036
A slave doesn't have the possibility of being "great" of her own merit, though she may achieve recognition through her deeds through coincidence. While a free person may say "I want to be an astronaut" or "I want to be a firefighter", a slave doesn't have the right to make such statements. However, this also means that a slave is never lost without a purpose - she will always have a clear purpose, though it won't be of her choice.

I think that's what attracts me to this whole concept. I like the idea of a collar around my neck reminding me that I'm property, cuffs binding my hands to remind me that I don't have the right to use my own extremities, skin bare to remind me that I don't have the right to conceal myself before the eyes of bystanders, and a price tag reminding me that I am an object of value, a tool that will serve an owner it doesn't choose.

I will never be able to choose my own goals, and my desires are irrelevant. Because I am valuable, I will never be able to choose for myself.

The best I can do is influence my fate. Bound as I am, I can't deny buyers I don't want, but I can entice buyers that I do want. I am a participant in the market as well as being a good, and I can beckon those that catch my eye, showing off my value in the hope that this potential owner will give this tool a better life than another might.
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>>6597039
>>6597036
I certainly feel, like any who loves to live in that totality of despair and helplessness, that slaves are people as well as objects, and to deny them pursuits is like denying someone work breaks in a stressful and dangerous job. of course those pursuits should in the end have yield for the owner.
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>>6578238
I came here to jerk off, not read communist propaganda.
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>>6580827
That's called a 'relationship.'
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>>6597588

Dude that's kinky as fuck.
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>>6596276
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who gets a misery boner from slavery. Everyone else seems to like nice fluffy slavery, but I always get a big boner from the misery, hopelessness and despair of bad slavery run by cruel people.

Does that make me some sort of edgelord? I'm beginning to worry.
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>>6597665

Probably. Are you slave or owner?
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>>6597667
No I'm sub.
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>>6597668

Then you're not an edgelord. Edgelord would be more like "i want to hurt people, crawwwwling in my crawwwl".
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>>6597665
That's a scavenger's daughter, or stork, in the picture. This type of restraint is a full fledged torture instrument. Since the poor girl can't move properly, cramps will set in and eventually drive her to madness.
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>>6597668
It seems like most people who are into the really extreme cruelty fantasies tend to be those who imagine themselves on the receiving end. Not just with slavery, but any fetish that has a "victim." Like in transformation threads, the people talking about permanent transformation into an inanimate object are usually fantasizing about being the one transformed.

It's certainly common in these threads for subs to emphasize how harshly they would be treated as a slave.
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So I wrote a Christmas thing in the A1386Gverse. Merry Christmas.
http://pastebin.com/9F6ej4TF
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Why is being a male slave so shitty? No one wants male slaves, and when they're wanted, they're never allowed sexual release.

Even when I feel submissive so as to fantasize being the slave part, I dont like watching femdom. It's not aesthetically pleasing as a female slave is.
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>>6555745
Cthulhu Part Five out today

http://pastebin.com/jggFgaFv
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>>6560735
Well I always had the idea that Jenny McCarthy would pull a rickshaw well with a dildofied steering column up her ass connected to a steering wheel the passenger held.
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>>6564755
You wouldn't really be able to sleep like that long-term without doing serious damage to yourself, which is why I'd imagine they'd just give you a pile of hay in the opposite corner to your bucket.

What you did miss out though was what happens when the master/mistress you're ferrying about goes into a bulding, to stop other people from stealing you, are there chains buried beneath the ground to leash your neck to? Are your legs just chained together so tightly that you can no longer walk, in which case what would stop the would be thief, just cutting off the bit of the carriage that you're chained to, and carrying away your frail, helpless body?

A third alternative I can think of is that your collar has a GPS tracking device in it to stop long-term theft, but there'd still be many cases of people stealing ponies, having their way with them, and then dumping them for their owner to find once the bandit is long gone
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>>6598572
I whole-heartedly agree. In most of the kinky /d/ related stuff I've seen online, males are pretty much never mentioned as slaves/subs, and if they are there's some kind of "Oh no see he's a girl inside so we'll just call him a female because we can't have a man be submissive to anyone". I can kind of understand it in things like FC, where the whole social dynamic has changed to consider anyone who is a slave as "female", but even that is kind of stretching the bounds for me.

Hell, some of the things I've seen horrifically and brutally kill all the men who end up in a situation where they could end up as the slave, just so that the creator doesn't have to deal with that tangent. Now that I'm all worked up about it, I figure I should make a game where that's not the case. I mean, hell, the issue does get on my nerves every now and again.
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>>6597665
seems fruitless really. unless you are the dom, if you are the slave there wont be much of you left to enjoy it in any particular 24/7 scenario. though i suppose for people who aren't into it for anything other than a kink this may be the ultimate slavery; hard as fuck with less of the downsides required by long term PE
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>>6598572
try gentle femdom.
not a guarentee but there should be some stuff there that isn't awful
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>>6598523
Nice work. Thanks
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>>6597158
I'm not really saying that I imagine that as a slave I'd have no free time. What I'm saying is that I wouldn't, on a large scale, be able to seek my own purpose in life, but that rather, I would be assigned that purpose as a slave.

It's not like I wouldn't be able to take up stitching or drawing in my free time. However, becoming a seamstress or an accomplished artist would be off-limits to me as a slave.

>>6597665
The other responses to your post seem to not get it, but I'm with you here.

Take, for example, the picture you posted. It's a girl stuck immobile in a torture device. She can't move, she can't speak. She can't scream for help or defend herself against the rats scurrying about in her cell, and her bare skin is cold from exposure to the air while uncomfortably wet from dirty sewage water. Her muscles are probably cramped from her position, yet she's absolutely powerless to alleviate her pain, or even beg for help. She's a prisoner in her own body, and can't even end her own life.

Or the picture I posted - a naked girl stuck in the stocks, matted hair obscuring her vision. Her wrists and ankles are stuck in the device, denying her the ability to so much as brush her hair out of her face. Perhaps she's in pain from her position. It's likely humiliating to be stuck like this, and also agonizing to be denied her own extremities.
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>>6600394
>>6597665
I think a lot of the people who don't get it, like >>6598769, tend to insert themselves in fantasies in such a way that they think of their fantasies as a situation that they would actually want to be in. I and likely you, on the other hand, likely treat our fantasies as excursions into imagination that we would most likely never actually want to experience in life.

I have, for a long time, have fantasized about pillories in particular. To be a naked woman, humiliated and defenseless in a device that denies me movement. To not even be able to use my own arms to cover my own face, and perhaps to even have my two holes available for others to use.

It doesn't really stop there. I've long imagined myself as the subject of all sorts of cruelty and degradation. Much of it centers around being property, being denied the use of my own body because of my owner's whims. Perhaps I would be permanently be locked into a chastity device, and be forever unable to touch myself or experience pleasure.

I wouldn't actually want to live out such scenarios, but I do fantasize about doing so.
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>>6598754
I'm treated similarly to how horses are treated - I'd be housed in the nearest stable. I'm still valuable property; my owner is not going to want me stolen.

For very short stops, just like a horse, I'd not even be released from the carriage. A simple hobble is affixed to my ankles, and then I'm left to stand and wait until it's time to leave. The carriage driver (also a servant or slave, but with a far different role and lifestyle) would also be watching the carriage, so I wouldn't be left unattended. Of course, there is no communication or speaking here - a bitgag occupies my mouth, and no servant would bother conversing with a pony. I just wait, hobbled, as long as necessary - the length of time is never disclosed to me unless I overhear it.

Also, "frail" is the wrong word. Someone who pulls carriages all day is not going to be frail.

Rape isn't really a problem. Even the most desperate of men have better options - in every big city there are droves of girls who roam the streets, a coin box attached to each one's collar. They're low-level unskilled slaves who must earn their keep by begging. Any man can just fuck one of these girls then leave without paying.

A ponygirl like me is a much more difficult target, given the chastity shield covering my front entrance. The backdoor may be open, but few men are interested in fucking what is essentially an animal, even if it is a fancy one.
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>>6598572
>and when they're wanted, they're never allowed sexual release.
Mmm. They have only them selves to blame. Most guys are so inexpressive during sex, it's more fun to tease them endlessly than let them cum.
I don't agree about aesthetics though. A powerful body adopting a submissive pose is quite pleasing to the eye.

>>6598762
>, and if they are there's some kind of "Oh no see he's a girl inside so we'll just call him a female because we can't have a man be submissive to anyone".
You're reading an awful lot into that. At least to me it sounds like plain old forced feminization fetish.
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My posts was erased. Why ?
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>>6601388

What was it about?
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>>6601388
Because you posted shit images.
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>>6600395
>>6600394
You hit the nail on the head. I don't think I would ever want to experience what I fantasize about, in real life.

But holy fuck if what you wrote isn't hot. I too have also had a long fascination with pillories, and other sorts of ultra restrictive and cruel bondage devices.

I love that feeling of utter helplessness, and the feeling of know one being there to help you. Like you're just some property, no one is going to care if you're hurting. You'd look longingly in the direction of your master or mistress, praying they'd take notice of your pitiful condition. Praying they'd be kind and maybe let you out, if only for a little bit. If only so you could stretch your sore limbs. But maybe when they went over to you (IF they went over to you) they'd just turn on a vibrator in your pussy, or slap you, and then leave.

Like fuck that kind of stuff is hot as fuck to me. But I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to actually live that out. Fantasy is just fantasy to me.
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>>6601437
Yep.

Terrible western images, and a fantasy which probably pissed off a Janitor.
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I really dont understand what was wrong with the images I posted.
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>>6601509
Western Images aren't supposed to be on /d/. They belong in >>/aco/
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>>6601442
Ditto.

Like, even on the Dom side, it's a nice fantasy, but I can't imagine actually being responsible for and in control of someone else's life that completely.
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>>6600395
>>want to be in
would be in permanently is a more correct description. lots of my fantasies revolve around things I don't want happening to me at all.

I think ultimately the real disconnect is the fact that I live to please an owner, but an owner described, smacking me and leaving me to rot there. that isn't someone that sounds pleased with me. It doesn't sound like someone who is happy. and once through permanently living in that scenario, I'd be so dead minded i'd probably never be able to do it. I'd be sold to be some easy wall fuck like in that slave prostitution simulator, never knowing that i fulfilled my ultimate purpose in making my owners life comfortable and happy.

>>6600432
>>coin box
reminds me of gor
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>>6603444
There is a difference in 'western' and 'shit art'

I saw what the guy posted before it was deleted, and it was actually just awful art regardless of artist origin or style.

Meanwhile, the images you quoted don't make me want to claw out my eyes, which I'm assuming is why they were left up.
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>>6603444
>western belongs on /d/. and nobody but the most assinine of you give a fuck. as demonstrated by the long list of shit that hasn't dissapeared.
Trips don't mean /d/ Rule 3 doesn't exist, even if it's been poorly enforced.
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>>6604792
If rule 2 where enforced all of 4chan would have to leave, including you. sit down, shut the fuck up, and post slave girls.
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>>6605481
Anon, you're the one whining here.
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Who would you guys consider to be the best sex slave hentai artist?
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>>6605605
>>implying my whining at your bullshit whining makes your whining not whining.
are you some kind of hyper retard?
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>>6598523
Happy slave is best slave
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>>6605762

Hakaba
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>>6605762
Gogocherry.
Like, the guy's super Korean, but he makes some pretty cool shit, even if it's more abstract than his Japanese counterparts.
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>>6608015
Another Gogocherry image.
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>>6605762
>Who would you guys consider to be the best sex slave hentai artist?
Depends on what you are looking for.

Hakaba already was mentioned by >>6606731 and he does "agressive" masters pretty well (though the love story in "Public Toilet" remains my favourite of his stories in how it subverts the genre and provides for a happy ending to what would otherwise a very NTR-heavy story)

Personally I find Mayonnaise to be top tier for "semi-voluntary/prostitution-style" stories where widespread prostitution has been legalized with his pallette going from completely voluntary and short-term stuff using apps in smartphones to signal when you are available and when you are not (or it only being available at pre-established locations) with it being strictly "opt-in" with other stories going all the way to the state being able to force women to do that under specific circumstances (with it being the equivalent to a prison sentence but in public) with a few being in between (like career "Public dumpsters" who are the equivalent of public servants in the sex business who in exchange for that career path can go on rent early at their 20s/30s with stellar salaries).
His stories never feature "privately-owned" slaves though, they are strictly public (or owned inside corporations to be used by the company employees but as if they were regular employees with days off and rigid 9-to-5 Monday to Friday schedules).
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Continued:
Now, if you are looking for stuff with widespread abuse and body modification Algolagnia is probably your best bet.

His style is borderline guro and very much focused on the despair inflicted on the slaves on multiple levels by society and their mistresses (you sometimes see male masters but he seems to favour women inflicting the pain on the female slaves).

It's probably as far as you can get without it being straight-out guro (and even then he crosses the line in a few of his stories and warns people ahead of time that he decided to go all out.


Finally, one of my favourite, Kaimeiji Yuu.
His focus is a bit different as (most) of his stuff revolves around making women into (human) pets.
His setting plays with the idea of what if ideas about the "missing link" had gone awry and it was determined that "submissives" are basically a separate species that needs to be treated like an animal (in this setting as if you were to train a dog though often it's a mix of that and traditional slaves).
How and where the line is drawn is never quite explained though it is often explained that the "condition" is considered heredetary and not all countries have this kind of system (though his stories almost always take place in what is basically and alternate universe "Island Nation" where he system is in place).

Most of the stories revolve about an unsuspecting woman/girl ending up enslaved because of this (either they didn't know about their heritage, they get determined by authorities that they "suffer the condition", they break a law that conveniently flags you as candidate for having that "condition", etc)
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>>6608132
>and their mistresses (you sometimes see male masters but he seems to favour women inflicting the pain on the female slaves).
Isn't that only in the Black file series and the Kindergarten series?

Because I know the rest of his stuff is super hard Mdom.
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>>6597665
Edgelords do it for the shock and the reaction. Sexual attraction to sadism isn't edgy, as long as you understand real life limitations and more just enjoy the fantasies of it.

I have powerful sadist desires, but I'm also terrified of explaining them IRL, let alone doing them. The sexual rush is letting go of all that anxiety, feeding the lust and fury into dreaming about unchecked cruelty to some pretty little morsel of a woman. This is more a gurochan thing, but I dream of using a woman fully. Owning her, torturing her, and eventually consuming her. Snuffed out and sacrificed into delicious meat and a warm leather assortment for me, her warm body serving me long after death, only after enduring months or years of torturous ordeals and trials to satisfy my demons of cruelty.

I know that it's not possible, that it would be barbaric and illegal, not to mention how her meat would be tired and stringy after all that stress(stressful butcherings don't harm meat but months of stress build up bitterness and toughness in cows). It's just the senseless insane passion of needing her everything for me, to own completely another soul, with no restrictions. I think what would satisfy me more is to just have someone I can share those fantasies with. Not act, just share and dream together.

I don't like feeling like a monster, I want to find someone I love who I can share these emotions with, someone who understands and enjoys them, and still loves me. I get when people think of guro, they think the edgiest of edgelords, but it's just not that. It's crazy, lustful passionate dreams that are just bottled up. Dreams you want, more than anything, to share with someone you make love with. Someone who understands and knows you're not completely insane. Just a little bit, managably so.
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>>6608149
>Isn't that only in the Black file series and the Kindergarten series?
Have you only read the stuff that is translated or also the "read" the stuff only in moon? There is a ton of stories of the Margarita series which involve the (female) teachers "teaching" their students and the bullying standalone story (+ a bunch of older stories from when he did stuff based on anime rather than original stories) but then again I haven't revisitted his stuff in a long time.

Though you might be right and it's more 50/50 or even more heavy on mDom than I remember.
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>>6608193
Yeah, I haven't read too much of the Monthy Margaritas.
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>>6555745
>What is the world like?
It'd be a fantasy world where the western and eastern half of the continent are divided by their stances on slavery. The western half is populated by three elvish kingdoms and one human kingdom. The eastern portion divided into several smaller kingdoms all fighting one another and one empire controlling most of the eastern continent. The empire itself divided into three larger cities one being the capital. The western kingdoms forbid slavery and any slave that crosses the border becomes free and any escaped slaves are placed under royal protection if they reach the many forts that dot the border. The Eastern Empire has one of the largest slave trades in the known world and seeks to expand into the west in order to gain new slaves. The western kingdom of men is located between the three elvish kingdoms two to the north and north west and one directly to the south.
The Empire is currently a shadow of it's former self and the current Emperor is an old man, whose wife largely controls all Imperial affairs. While the Western Kingdom of Men is controlled by a single king, whose line has strong Elivsh blood, while retaining human features throughout successive generations and land holding nobles control and govern their own lands, while answering to royal laws and decrees. The Western kingdoms are viewed as largely barbaric due to the fact that they never trade with or interact with the east. Western languages, especially those spoken by humans are largely incomprehensible and localized due to the mountainous terrain and groups of humans living in localized communities within human and elvish kingdoms. While all eastern kingdoms including the Empire speak a common language.
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>>6609096
cont.

>Who are the slaves
All slaves are Elves, but some humans can become slaves if they're conquered and considered "barbaric". Male slaves are mostly used for labor and domestic services (however it's not unheard of nobles taking male pleasure slaves), while females are almost always pleasure slaves. All Elvish slaves in the east are born and die in the east due to the isolationist tendencies of the western kingdoms. Most Elves in the east are descended from small ancient kingdoms long conquered and forgotten.
Because elves have been known to have basted children with their masters, half elves, quarter elves, and even those with one tenth elvish heritage are branded from birth to be slaves in order to prevent elvish blood from getting into the population.
However, most elves in the east look alike and have common features. This has lead to a new trade in western slaves, in which southern ports and villages in the west are raided by "pirates" (usually hired by slave traders) and elves from the southern kingdom. Along with this, bandits will often raid villages in the eastern reaches kidnapping and selling elves. These bandits however, never get very far and pirates are rarely successful, because as mentioned before numerous forts and outposts dot the eastern borders. Slavers are usually punished by being hanged drawn and quartered. There have even been instances of Southern elvish barons finding the contracts given to pirates by eastern slave lords. In these cases a few pirates are kept alive, after they castrated, after having the their tongues removed and the royal seal branded on their foreheads. They are then made to watch their crewmates hanged drawn and quartered and made to sail back to the port where they were hired in hopes that this display will dissuade future raiders.
However these measures have only increased the value of foreign born slaves.
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>>6609099
cont.

>Who are the masters/mistresses
Masters and Mistresses are usually rich humans who can afford slaves. Nobles often keep large harems of slaves, as elves are seen as lesser in nature to humans. Indeed taking an elvish pleasure slaves is the same as keeping a dog and Eastern women seen no offense in their husbands keeping elvish pleasure slaves. Some women will even buy their husbands slaves as gifts.
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keeping this thread alive
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>>6603444
You so go through a lot of effort just to get mad on /d/. Consider suicide next time and spare us your autism.
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>>6575448
I'd take both and spoil the right..tease the left.
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God this is just obnoxiously cute.
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>>6555745
I wake up to a slight dull ache n my breasts. I gingerly touch one to find a heavy ring thru my nipple. I check the other breast and find the same. Heavy cuffs are enclosed around my wrists and ankles. I'm flat on my back and I feel a calloused hand prod between my legs and then a sharp pain as my clit is pierced. I want to draw up my knees as the pain consumes me, and then I feel the calluses pair of hands lock the chasitity belt in place.
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>>6613300
A gag is locked into place and I'm placed into a kennel. the gag is removed for food and hygiene purposes. The food allowed are aphrodisiacs and so I'm in a constant state of arousal but the belt is kept snug around me.

A master has picked me out at some point and the training begins. First in the art of hand jobs, then oral. Once I've succeeded in those he has his brand or tattoo put on me and take me home.
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>>6613310
After I've come home to the master, I sleep at the foot of the bed or in a kennel after I've pleasured him.
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>>6613300
Please use Pastebin for stories.
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Cthulhu!!! ( Part Six ) out today
http://pastebin.com/ZtLiJXhS
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This is pretty cool.
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Does anyone else fantasize about being public property rather than private property?

Rather than having a specific owner, I'd be owned by the state, and my body would be a public utility. I'd spend my days locked in the town square to be used at the convenience of citizens.
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>>6619499

How about the property of a corporation? Say you worked in accounting but you belonged to the business.
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Recently I read an article about Britney Spears' conservatorship:

http://www.etonline.com/news/169667_the_business_of_britney_spears_why_a_lifetime_conservatorship_is_not_unusual/

She lives a life in which every single decision is made for her by another person. Where she eats, what she eats, where she goes, who she talks to, etc. are all dictated by someone else. Every time she gets up on stage, putting her body and voice on display, it is at the command of her conservator, and the income she generates never touches her hands and is never at her disposal. This isn't a fantasy scenario; it's the reality that a real person lives in.

Now think about that from a fantasy slavery perspective. Someone else is your owner, and gets to make every decision over how your body is used. He can bind you and deny you the usage of your own limbs at his whim. He can have sex with you or make you have sex with someone else at his whim, or deny you release when you desire it, because your body is his to command. You get up on stage and perform, giving your all and becoming a product for the eyes of your fans, generating income for your owner but not yourself.

For some reason I find that idea incredibly hot, not least because there is a real person that lives a reality close to this.
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>>6560268
>>6577509
>>6582771
>>6601437

I'm following the thread, and I just want to mention that those are really good pics, thank you.
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>>6557951

Anyone have anything else like that? Kind of like a casual private slave-in-a-bed or doing tasks around the house situation? It's so damn comfy. I love the last one where it seems like she's calling out for her Master to either get or something or un-chain her, it's dang cute.

Of course what do I know, I can't read the text.
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>What is the world like?
The world is fairly the same as this one, except with forms of extreme indentured servitude. When somebody falls too deeply in debt or doesn't want to pay off their bills, they can be forcefully entered, or choose to be, into a state where they are owned by somebody else. It has been this way since the great depression, when many people realized that they couldn't make it by themselves and programs were created to allow them to be looked after by others for 24/7 work. Over time the wealthy abused the system and turned 24/7 labor into 24/7 anything, meaning that anyone can do anything that they want to someone that they own. Because of traditional values that the man goes out and gets money for the family, the slave class is mostly comprised of males, but with the sudden influx of feminism more females are entering this state and the ratio is beginning to balance out.
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>>6619750
>Who are the slaves?
As stated before, the slaves can be anyone. Usually it's middle-lower class people who default on loans or go bankrupt, but occasionally there is the wealthy businessman who had everything cave out from underneath him. It's uncommon for most people to own slaves, but many entrepreneurs have at least one from a customer that either couldn't pay or decided to work their debt off. It is 'technically' possible for a slave to work off his/her debt, but thanks to the wealthy changing the rules that is something that can be changed if the owner decides to charge their slave for room/board while they work, which on top of working at a reduced wage means that they are perpetually kept in bondage. This is something that is done by the more wealthy class, who have less to lose if it comes to public knowledge that they're abusing their slaves in such a way, to the point that it's considered par for the course for the very upper class, but not done often by the middle class slave owners.
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>>6619753
>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Generally anybody who can be in the position where other people owe them money. The middle class generally don't have slaves because they work for other people, but some who work in very poor areas, regardless of how rich they are themselves, can find themselves owning a few slaves for a while when a particularly poor citizen can't pay for a service. Loan sharks and bankers have very high numbers of slaves and are most likely to keep slaves in bondage for longer, rather than legitimate businessmen who like to keep a good company image up and allow those who fall into debt to successfully get back on their feet. The owners who keep their slaves in bondage usually also are attached to the seedy underbelly of society, putting their slaves into fighting pits and selling their bodies for sexual labor or harsh, dangerous manual labor. It's not uncommon to see pleasure houses where a ten-twenty dollar entry fee will get you access to all of the debauchery you could ever want, so long as you are careful not to get trapped into slavery yourself from betting on fights, injuring a slave, or losing too much to the casinos in them.
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>>6619761
((/-Sorry to dump like this, just figured it'd be easier to pretype it.)

>What role do you envision yourself in?
I envision myself as pretty much myself irl- some random kid in his early twenties with fantasies of being a prize fighter but not much skill to back it up. I go around trying to learn to fight and get into matches, with an average-low performance since I'm still learning as I try to make extra money with the fights. Eventually the bills from visiting trainers begins to outweigh how much I can make with the fights and I fall into debt, one day coming to a gym to have shackles and a collar put on me. My debt is sold to a loan shark and I fall into one of the pleasure houses as a side attraction in the pit fights, but in between fights I'm just a piece of meat to everyone who visits like all the other whores. My lean form gets a lot of interest in domme's who like to punish and torture boys who can take a lot of pain and men who get a power trip out of forcing a fighter to gag on their cock or bend over for them, and most fights are spent more ogling the contestants than watching any actual fighting take place. In between these times I'm either resting, being forced to train, or locked up in a glory hole since only pretty girls are allowed to walk around the establishment and offer themselves.
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>>6619499
>Does anyone else fantasize about being public property rather than private property?
>Rather than having a specific owner, I'd be owned by the state, and my body would be a public utility. I'd spend my days locked in the town square to be used at the convenience of citizens.
You can play that in RyonaRPG if you go into debt (amongst other things)
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>>6619499
I'm not a socialist.
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>>6578238
>flip burgers
>expect to live comfortably
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>>6578058
>I'd think an exceptionally beautiful female slave would easily be worth more than any laborer. For the same reasons that a luxury sports car is worth more than a pickup truck.
It depends on the kind. In old Greece, a very beautiful female slave was worth less an cultured male slave with a productive skill because someone that can read, write and make calculations for you is worth more than someone with a pretty vagina. A cute young female would obviously be worth more than some random male because a househood slave is naturally worth more money than an agricultural laborer, except if there is a lack of them.

The concept of having high valued sexual slaves are fictional but, obviously, if you needed a female slave to clean your house you would pay more for some cute girl.
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>>6621990
>The concept of having high valued sexual slaves are fictional but, obviously, if you needed a female slave to clean your house you would pay more for some cute girl.

That's completely true. Really, unless she's got some skills, she's not going to be valuable for anything aside from being fertile eye candy, and that's not going to last very long, so she'd be a crap investment.
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>>6621997
She can still cook, clean, help to take care of your children with a free woman... Being a fucktoy is not the main job of a slave, no matter how stunning she was and even so it isn't guaranteed to be fucked because if you can afford a pretty slave you can just go and pay some prostitute so you do it away from the eyes of everyone as your ancient house is always full. Of course, if you do not care about this kind of thing you would buy some hot girl to fuck, but she modern S&M kind of slavery simply does not exist. You would never buy a woman to make she walk semi-naked in your house and face the scrutiny of your peers and family, unless you live in a culture and in a social position where building a harem, meaning a proper building for it, is possible.

Proper slaves are for working first and fucking maybe, only maybe.
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Poke.
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You know, some of the ideas here could actually be worked into a story of sorts. An erotic story of course, but a story nonetheless.
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>>6621990
>The concept of having high valued sexual slaves are fictional but, obviously, if you needed a female slave to clean your house you would pay more for some cute girl.

True, but buying a 5/10 and making her do a hundred squats every day gets you the same results.
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>>6625251
Well, unless she's a butterface.
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>>6626332
I'm an ass man, so it works out.
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Any porn involving male slaves?
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>>6626864
Like femdom or what? I don't really have much in the way of pictures, but I know there's a crap ton out there that's (often poorly) written.

Because if you're just looking for m/m shit, there's a crap ton written on Livejournal's Slavefic communities.

Tossing in Het and other femdom stuff We've got the Arlen Stories and Jimmy makes a Special Friend here in >>6555747 and >>6555750
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>>6622662
>Proper slaves are for working first and fucking maybe, only maybe.

Historically true, but not very fun for a erotic fantasy scenario. This is why I prefer future settings. Where human labor has been almost entirely replaced by automation, and slaves are a luxury item.

Sure you have your slave girl do housework, but not because it's necessary. It would be more cost effective to have cheap domestic robots cook and clean for you, but it's a display of wealth and power to have sexy girls (or guys depending on your tastes) tending to your every need.
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>>6628292
Well, here's an interesting idea. In a futuristic world, perhaps scarcity of resources has ended completely. Machines can fully automate production, and there is no need for labor or product. Energy and materials can be synthesized; mechanical labor is self-sustainable.

Of course, what was originally a dream of utopia quickly turned out to be anything but. The end of scarcity did not coincide with the end of greed and desire. Distribution wasn't an issue, but those who held power had no incentive to freely distribute their boons.

And so, a reality quickly became apparent. The engineers who designed and maintained the mechanical labor force were in total control, and easily hooked mankind on its product. Once humans had become dependent on this form of sustenance, the engineers presented an ultimatum:

We sustain you, therefore we own you. You will give yourselves to us, or die without us.

And so, the engineers divided humanity into two classes - the Masters, and the slaves. The former class consisted of the engineers, who held the keys to the labor force that humanity depended on. The latter consisted of the rest of humanity.

Perhaps I may flesh this out more thoroughly later.
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>>6608180
This is myself aswell, in entirety. I am fortunate to have a close friend though, my best friend, help me through these sorts of fantasies through role play in writing. They understand my desire, and is able to guide me into relieving the tension and pleasure I get out of envisioning myself in these sorts of lives and situations.
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>>6628292
You could actually interpret Star Wars this way. The Wookepida article on slavery starts with this quote:
>I do not understand. Organics own droids. What is the utility of owning other organics? What else can slaves provide?
>Simple – entertainment value.
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>>6628292
>Sure you have your slave girl do housework, but not because it's necessary, but it's a display of wealth and power to have sexy girls (or guys depending on your tastes) tending to your every need.

It's also a good way to keep them active. Can't just have them sitting around while you're not doing stuff with them

And it's fun to watch naked slavegirls struggling to do basic chores in their restraints.
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>>6608073
Gogocherry has been the major discovery that made lurking this series of threads worthwhile.

I have no idea why I have such a big thing for public use.
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>>6555747
>OC on Pastebin from the last few threads:
Is there an archive somewhere?
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>>6629065
Man I wish I a friend like that.
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>>6608124
>going from completely voluntary and short-term stuff using apps in smartphones to signal when you are available and when you are not (or it only being available at pre-established locations) with it being strictly "opt-in"

I don't remember this at all. What should I search for?
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>>6605762
errorless.
emotionally powerful peaces that show in the sub's posture the true weight of submission and lack of rights.
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>>6629065
I have a friend I help express desires like that, we had to stop though for personal reasons of their own. I still feel bad theyre having to deal with that on their own. and yeah, it definately seems to be the idea of using and owning someone completely, harvesting all the value out of them because they are 100% yours.

I find the idea puts me in so much fear I don't know how I would deal with it in real life especially since i'm a 24/7 kind of person, but we've worked out a nice comfey rythme in the past so maybe its possible.
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Might be a weird thing to ask, but I currently am a master to someone who has slowly sunken more and more into submissiveness. When I met him, he was a typical sub, the normal sort of kinks and fetishes you'd expect, but now he's completely addicted to having all control taken away, complete domination in everyway you can imagine.

While I adore having this type of control, I feel like this mindset can be dangerous to himself. How do I let him indulge his fantasy, but also not let him go too far down the rabbit hole that there's no escape? Should I just let it happen?
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>>6630493
Have a talk about it, if you really think he's veering into unhealthy territory. Give him some positive reinforcement outside of the Ds part of your relationship so that he doesn't attach his sense of self-worth to submission to you.
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>>6629339
All the threads are archived on Loveisover.me if that's what you're asking.
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>>6630470
I'm having trouble finding anything by him. Any notable works?
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I'm looking for Vids or instructions on cbt, how to tie up, how to abuse myself etc.
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>>6630505
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?utf8=%E2%9C%93&tags=error_%28errorless%29+&limit=200
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>>6630498
>>6630493
given I'm kind of just like that, it may be that this is the kind of thing he's always wanted, but had to avoid feeling or persuing due to how damaging it can be in real life with someone you don't trust. for intense submissives, you can probably encourage them to be more independant intellectually. but the closer your relationship gets, the more theyre going to be subserviant to you.
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>>6630479
>>6608180
You are probably going to laugh at this, but I have gone through a phase that was pretty much identical to this, which I have since outsadism'd.

I mean the ideation of torture and murder as a means to draw out every response the object of inclination had to offer before absorbing her, so to speak, thus owning her completely. It bugged me that ultimate ownership here is proverbial. You can't own an object after it has been eliminated. This was also what attracted me to this initially, eliminating an object can be seen as the ultimate expression of its ownership, in the sense that it can only be owned by you until it isn't anything any more and thus can't be owned by anyone (insecurity must have had something to do with this). But then, you can't control an object that has been eliminated either. It's like setting fire to a toy. You might say you're its ultimate owner, which literally you are, but then you no longer own that toy, either. An object that has been eliminated has no master after the fact.

So I went through a phase when I idealised preservation methods such as taxidermy (yes, creep-levels off the charts). But then, no matter how well you maintain a corpse, the person itself -their thoughts- has been eliminated. Now it's like having something that looks like your toy, externally, except without any of its functionality. There is still part of it that you don't own, because death freed it from any owner.

So, then I got into permanent sensory deprivation, since that way you can preserve the entirety of the person indefinitely. Or not, since this should make them go insane, in which case something is lost to me and again you have no access to their thoughts.

So that threw me back into normal bdsm with sensory deprivation interludes and paternalist undertones. I want to preserve as much of the person as possible because it's the only way for *me* to own them.

I feel like I'm becoming more and more normal by way of becoming more sadistic
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>>6630572
pretty dope. I'm very glad as someone who could be under the thrall that a mind is so valuable to you.
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>>6629186
Indeed. Can't have them getting lazy and out of shape. But the work they do is really just a side benefit. The primary reason to buy a slave girl should be for the joy of owning and using her.

Basically I imagine owning sex slaves as being one of those really involved hobbies. Like modern day horse owners, or people who restore classic cars. There may be some practical utility, but that isn't really the point.
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What do you guys think of Free Cities? The text game /d/ games general is obsessing over. It's about managing a slave-owning empire.
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>>6631431
The game is getting a bit too complicated for my taste.

Also, as a switch I wish there was a game that did the same if you wanted to play from the slave's perspective (not the micromanagement but rather a game with as much attention to detail)
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>>6631439
Games from a slaves perspective will always be more inherently difficult to make fun because you don't have the freedom as a slave to do things. Things get done to you and it's pretty hard to design a fun interactive game around stuff being done to the player, rather than the player doing things.

Most of the time it works out as the player trying to accomplish a goal, and then being enslaved as a setback to that goal (see Whorelock). But this often falls into the same problem. Sitting around having stuff done to you while you wait to be able to interact in the game world again just isn't very fun.

I really wish I could thing of a good way to design a game that would be fun from the slaves perspective.
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>>6631994
Mechanically speaking there's no design room. A game designed from the perspective of an owner has the slave management/raising angle to build on, meaning there's actual design space. However, slaves are tools, not agents. There's not really a good core mechanic that would work when playing as a slave, since the actual decision-making power belongs to the master. For this reason you can't really make a "game" around it.

Honestly the best I can think of would be an interactive text adventure (or vn) written from the slave's point of view. There are ways in which slaves can influence their own fates through their own actions, meaning different choices could have different outcomes. Unfortunately most people are shitty writers.
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>>6631994
>>6632094
I could see a RPG or adventure game in which you play as a slave working. Just because you're a slave doesn't mean your master will always be micro-managing every action you take. Your master could act as a quest giver, commanding you to do something and then leaving you to work out the details. With actual sex/play/punishment scenes playing out after you've completed (or failed to complete) a task.
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>>6631994
>you don't have the freedom as a slave to do things.
Or you CAN do things, but you can't make decisions, which would just make for standard 'complete this objective' gameplay.
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DESU I think the problem with slave games is a) you end up feeling fucking powerful and b) you ask yourself: why doesn't he just walk off the battlefield and run off to freedom?
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/d, give me some sound of mind.
im female, and this stuff totally gets me. i love it. i love fantasizing about being someones fuck toy, and me and my boyfriend even use that shit as foreplay.
>heres the thing
>i also find it horrific as shit
you ever hear those stories about girls getting kidnapped and kept for years as a sex slave? their whole lives are taken away from them, theyre brainwashed and fucked up to the point where life is no longer worth living. that shit horrifies me. getting fucked up mentally is definitely my biggest fear, not to mention being submissive to some absolute creep.
>basically
>im very into slavery/rape/ownership
>but in real life its a turn off that terrifies me
>h elp
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>>6632317
See, this is why we need to legalize and regulate slavery. Slaves would go to the highest bidder, well-adjusted successful people, not be a last resort for some lowlife weirdo.
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>>6632318
ahh, but even the successful could be complete lunatics and that brings us back to the mind fuck problem
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>>6632321
Don't think so much, it'll just make you neurotic.
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>>6631994
I made a long and involved explination on how to make a game like this. almost no one ever responded to it, I think partially because there was no desire to. but the idea was to have an economic system similar to the monarch points in eu4. a slave would get to decide to improve herself in ways, and be pitted against her owner who would decide to train her in certain things. there would be a meta concept built around it, but the main flavor would come from events, the decision trees, and economy made around it. a complex system of checks and balances would create adversity for the slave and the master both. The master could for example, force a slave not to learn something it wanted to learn or secretly practice on if they found out, but situations like this would be worked into the game where you aren't told no, but theres a price for it, so its not always a great option, it can reduce your slaves obedience or threaten your bond with them, further straining future training and giving them more to work with. it also may involve more work, making the master spend more of their points to get what they want, while the slave abandons her persuits for contingencies and winds up with a more economically viable route. the game would be less about winning than about the story of your slave. their escape attempts or lack there of, the way they where trained, what they learned, the events that shaped them and made them different from other slaves, the relationship they have with their owner. all under the lense of the EU4 style economy engine.
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>>6632324
fair enough
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>>6632094
Slaves are agents. that's what makes them desirable tools.
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>>6632318
I like that /d/s response to a womans fear of being enslaved is

"don't worry, we just need to legalize it so we can take your choice away and give you to anyone with money, its not like they haven't been scientifically proven to be less empathetic to the disenfranchised, now be a good girl and behave"

I mean, I'm not complaining, cause I'm the kind of fucked up person who hangs around to hear these kinds of statements to begin with, but man, /d/ does deliver.
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>>6632317
>im very into slavery/rape/ownership
>but in real life its a turn off that terrifies me

That's pretty normal. I suspect the vast majority of those who post in these threads consider real life sexual slavery horrifying.
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>>6632327
I'm not sure I get what you mean.
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>>6632315
Not every game involves the player slaughtering legions of enemies. There weren't necessarily be any combat at all.

If you do want to go with standard ass kicking RPG gameplay, you just need to come up with a reason the player character is obedient. Maybe a magic slave collar compels you to obey. Maybe you're just genuinely loyal to your master.

>>6632331
Exactly. Unless your master is following you around all day telling you exactly what to do at every moment, a slave protagonist would still have choices to make.

I honestly don't see how a slave protagonist is inherently more problematic than an on-duty soldier protagonist. In either case the player is required to follow orders. But that doesn't mean you're a mindless drone with no control over your own actions.
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>>6632280
The thing is, it wouldn't be interesting. Do you really want to play a game about doing chores? I highly doubt it.

>>6632331
When I imagine a slavery game, I imagine a game that lets you act out your slave fantasies virtually. The thing is, in actual slavery, the slave is supposed to suit the master's desires, not necessarily vice-versa. This is why there are so many player-master games. It makes sense for a master to raise a slave, but a slave isn't supposed to shape her master.

Bear in mind, I'm speaking of game mechanics here. In a slave's life, there will always be significant decisions to make, but these sorts of choices are better explored in a storytelling format rather than in a format that is mechanically driven. A slave's day-to-day labor is basically going to be drudge work. It's not sexy.

A text adventure would be a good way to have a slave protagonist, but that's moving away from being a "game". When VR becomes more widespread someone will probably make a slavery simulator that explores the actual experience of being a slave without needing to design a solid core mechanic. However, as it is, there's not really much mechanical design space around player slavery. The closest you can get is with some of Skyrim's sex mods, which illustrate how boring things can get in practice.

>>6632776
The difference here is that a soldier's duties are easy to design a game around. The same isn't true of slavery. I'd love to be proven wrong.
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>>6632317
If you're looking for someone to clear your conscience for you, you came to the wrong place.

Based on what you've said, there isn't any problem. You fantasize about an imaginary scenario that you wouldn't necessarily want to happen to you in real life. There's really nothing else to it.

If you don't have the ability to divorce your fantasy from reality, that's your problem. If for whatever stupid reason you want to apply morality to your sexual fantasies, then that's not anyone else's problem. Don't ask others to clear your conscience for you. All you're doing is inspiring shitposts like this >>6632334
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>>6632334
This is not your hugbox. Fuck off.
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>>6632327
Perhaps part of it is that your typing is barely comprehensible? Use some line breaks and break up your sentences into complete thoughts.

Also, your idea doesn't really sound like an interesting game. For one thing, what is the "master" controlled by? AI? Preset routine? Another player?

Either way, I can't see this being actually interesting to play. You don't seem to understand much about game design.
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>>6632853
How about a time management/stat building style game in which you start out as the fresh meat in a harem. Your goal is to earn master's trust and affection, which gets you more privledges and more attention from master. With your ultimate goal being to become his favorite.
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>>6632317
Yeah, that's normal. I fantasize about putting girls in sensory deprivation suits then keeping them in some sand-filled coffin with IV bags ensuring they can't die from hunger, but obviously that kind of thing is unjust and cruel to such an extensive degree that its realization would be downright horrifying to me.

I don't think there is any particular dissonance in stretching any given fetish to its logical extreme in fantasy while finding perfectly unsexy in real life, since there are factors that go into how we evaluate real things happening to real people that don't apply to figments of our imagination.

I also think that rape fantasies are a contradictio in adjecto. Fantasizing about something analytically entails being inclined towards it, while rape analytically entails being disinclined towards it. So I'm not persuaded non-consent fantasies are non-consent fantasies from the sub's perspective. They are just intricate power exchange fantasies. The object of inclination can't be being raped, because it's an analytical contradiction to ultimately want something to happen and not to happen to you. There's something else behind the fantasies, say wanting to be sexually used because that denotes that many people value you, if instrumentally, or to be wanted to an extent where social constraints can't stop whoever wants you, or finding stress release in not having to make a free choice and thus to take responsibility for it and so on. The fantasy is only a vehicle designed to fulfill whatever these second-order desires are. It's a means. Hence why fantasy rape does not have all the characteristics of real rape or slavery that render them unreliable as a way to fulfill those same wants, and thus unattractive.

After all, once you shlick and are done with your fantasy, you can just exit it without having to worry you'll end up dead or disfigured or that you won't be able to stop at that time. Ultimately, a fantasy can only progress on your terms.
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>>6632317
The basic version of it are that almost all fantasies actually suck if you sit down and think about how they'd work in real life. That's why it's roleplay with numerous safety measures and such when it does happen.

For example, I often fantasize about being treated like the girl in the pic >>6632929 posted, but even if I could just get up and walk away when the guys were all done AND it were semi or even fully consensual, it would cause so many problems for me in both the short and long run that it's just impossible.
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>>6632966
In my experience people tend to underestimate the degree to which they are turned on by the visual image of something or the conceptual meaning they attach to it when they think about it, rather than the experiences actually associated with it.

Case in point, my girlfriend is into some heavy bdsm stuff, so we do some play-rape stuff from time to time. One time she was really enthusiastic about me being more agressive with her and punching her gut during the session. Are you sure anonette? Yeah I'm sure. Are you really really sure? Yeah, dude, it's gonna be awesome. And you want me to actually punch you or to play-punch you? No no you need to actually punch me. Well, ok, she has a masochistic streak so she doesn't dislike pain on principle, so let's try it.

One semi-serious punch later, she went breathless, her face went pale, then red from the pressure and when she could breath again she started bawling spastically. Apparently the feeling of being punched is qualitatively different to the kind of pain you get from being whipped and being fucked while feeling that sensation makes you feel helpless in a more urgent way than when you are tied up.

And from my perspective, that kind of genuine panicked crying is not hot in the same way that tearing up is hot, even though I definitely did sexualize the mental image of crying beforehands. In my fantasy of fucking a crying girl her crying and panicking while I have my way with her and she is under my control is beyond uber-hot. The actuality of that kind of crying just made me want to console her at a purely animal level.

It's not that fantasy and reality are separate domains. It's that we don't really fantasise about the actual form of something in practice, at all.
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>>6632866
I mean, you are outright wrong. not to say you may not have a point in this specific instance. maybe it is too gamey when you just want it all handed to you in porn game fashion, but first and foremost I guess I'm alone in that I want a game that depicts a story of being a slave, rather than a game with a veneer of slavery, and this is the only way to make it not linear or use VN tree logic.

As for the engine, it's a proven and successful model, just instead of modling a single person's quirks and development it models a country's. people do find it fun, it's complicated yes, but you're going to want complication if you desire a game and not a glorified VN.

Honestly not seeing the point of line breaks. I know i may not write the clearest but aren't you generally supposed to start a new line when you change a subject?
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>>6632862
>>I'm projecting hardcore
hey, idiots. no need to out edge yourselves because I posted a response to a question in a slavery thread.
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>>6633064
I agree with this nearly completely. the problem in my own rare case is that I do fantasize about a lot of the abusive or hardcore stuff. not even about enjoying it or anything. just. absolute denigration of myself as a free agent. degraded to the point where pain and submissive pleasure are my constant companions. I obey or I get the back hand.
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>>6632877
In what ways could that form a central mechanic?

The most important part of any video game is its core mechanic. This is what games live and die by. You create a central concept and then add a feedback loop that makes the game interesting.

You haven't at all discussed what "earning master's trust and affection" entails. How could this work mechanically?

You mention "becoming master's favorite" as the end goal, but I don't see how you could create a feedback loop around a core mechanic here. If you structure it like Princess Maker, you run into the problem that logically, it should be the master deciding what to train a slave in, not a slave deciding what to train in. That sort of mechanic is the core of Master-player games because it makes more sense that way.

You can structure it like a visual novel, but at that point it's not really a "game" anymore, since the narrative ends up being the focus.

>>6633151
You really need to learn how to write. It's headache-inducing just to try to parse anything you say.

Here's an idea: separate each complete thought into its own sentence. That one thing would make you look like far less of an idiot.

Anyway, your game idea as your posts portray it is still shit. I'm still confused because your prose is barely comprehensible, but if you can't be bothered to communicate properly your ideas aren't worth considering.
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>>6633154
When did /d/ become overrun by total bitches? This isn't the place to talk about someone's "feels". This isn't a safe space.

I come here to fap and to discuss fetishes, not to legitimize someone else's own moral objections to their own fetishes.

This right here >>6632334 is a perfect example of encouraging Tumblr-style bullshit. It doesn't belong here.
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>>6633234
It seems to me that the person that got offended, here, is you. The other guy made a joke about the hilarity of responding to "guise I think I'm afraid of slavery" with "oh it's just until it's legally instated, then it's all going to be ok", and you -I think it's only you- started ranting about feels, being offended, safe spaces, tumblr, bitches, hugboxes and a bunch of other buzzwords that have exactly nothing to do with discussing fetishes (they have less to do with fetishes than discussing the moral undertones of fetishes, in fact). That's taking an off-hand remark as an excuse to start shitflinging.

I agree that /d/ is fortunate to be a generally drama-free place, but it seems to me that it's your way of posting that is jeopardising this balance.

tl;dr: chill out
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>Do you really want to play a game about doing chores?
Shit's great
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>>6632853
>When I imagine a slavery game, I imagine a game that lets you act out your slave fantasies virtually.
>The thing is, in actual slavery, the slave is supposed to suit the master's desires, not necessarily vice-versa.

I'd build it around FPS/RPG mechanics, actually – something like Mass Effect, with a good dose of sci-fi to handwave things that are normally impossible.

The protagonist is defrosted from a cryogenic chamber. Her owner explains that her skills are needed again. Off you go on a relatively straightforward shoot'em up with the occasional hacking minigame. You come back to the base and your owner evaluates your performance based on whether you accomplished your goals, the kind of collateral damage you committed, and so forth. Did you do well? Master offers to let you choose the hole he fucks you in. Did you do poorly? Cutscene of being whipped and electrically shocked.

The game ends with your victory over those threatening Master and his agenda. The game then gives you one of several endings based on how you responded to certain BDSM-y question prompts. If you showed no enthusiasm for sex but did your job competently, you go back into the cryogenic chamber until Master or one of his descendants needs to use you again. Did you perform poorly? You're going to spend the rest of your life embedded in a wall, with two of your holes for fucking and the other one as a urinal. Did you perform superbly? You get a dog bed at the foot of Master's bed and he'll give you the courtesy of a dicking whenever he feels like it. Be sure to bark and wag your tailplug.

And so on. Obviously between missions there are interactions with your owner where you can try to beg/plead for the ending of your choice.
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>>6633705
Well, that's a game idea, but the slavery part seems like it's just flavor. It has nothing to do with the actual mechanics of the game.

How would a shooting game satisfy your slavery fetish?
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Couldn't you just make a slavery game, where you have to either succesfully resist your master and escape or not merely be obedient but discover all their little quirks in order to become their favorite toy?
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>>6633705
You'd need to have the owner put restraints on the PC if she doesn't meet certain objectives - leg chains that slow down movement, a gag that keeps her from talking to NPCs, ballet heels that force her to crawl on her hands and knees, etc.

>>6633711
>like Mass Effect
I think Anon just likes the thought of FemShep being submissive. Like the slavegirl equivalent of a pit bull.
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>>6633226
>>it's still shit
good for your wrong opinion? I already told you it's selling like hot cakes. As a game engine it is so successful it's had over 10 expansions and 3 sequals.

what you are criticizing as boring is a gameplay system people find fun. maybe you have a stick up your ass about the idea. and maybe anyone remotey interested in d/s like us thinks likewise. but that doesn't change the fact that there is nothing wrong with the engine. manipulating an economy to grow a stronger thing and using the remainder to deal with events and problems and outside threats is fun for people, even if it's not for you.
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>>6633711
Out of the existing slavery games I've played, I actually tend to prefer the ones where it's "just flavor." There are several RPG Maker games where your party members are your slaves. Most of them do a better job of appealing to my slavery fetish than games like Free Cities or Slave Maker.

Mostly because in the RPGs the slaves are actual characters with their own personalities, backstories, and sex scenes. Where as in the more mechanically focused games it's hard to see the slaves as anything more than a collection of stats with a name.
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>>6633958
Okay. So you want to lift the central mechanic from "Europa Universalis". Could please explain to me how a mechanic designed to simulate governance of entire countries could be used to simulate the live of a slave?

To summarize, I have two questions:
1. How do "Europa Universalis"'s mechanics work?

and

2. How would you use them to simulate being a slave?
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>What is the world like?
Legal slavery that is also consensual. Kinda like indentured servitude but only to do with sex.

Upon turning 18 at any point during your life you can sign up to be a sex slave for a 1, 5, or 10 year period, after which the government gives you a cash out option, or you can renew the contract.

Hard limits are signed off on up front but once you agree to the contract everything else is fair game and you are essentially that persons property to do with as they please.

>Who are the slaves?
Anyone can sign up to be a slave.

>Who are the masters/mistresses?
Slaves are contractually obligated to serve for at least 1 year, up to 10, and once they agree to that number they cannot change it. However they may or may not have the same master/mistress during that time.

Essentially the government is the real owner of the slaves and they are being rented to masters/mistresses as their money allows.

>What role would you be in?
I'd totally sign up to be a slave to at least try it out~

>Slave dreams?
Petplay please? Also lots of sex >.>
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>>6631994
>>6632094
>>6632280
Given that RyonaRPG and Whorelock's Revenge already exist (or hell, skyrim mods) I have to STRONGLY disagree with the assessment that you cannot design a game from the slave's perspective or where they don't have freedom.

I am not going to tell you how to design the game you want to play but I am going to explain a few ways to sidestep/dodge some of the issues you guys bring up based on those examples.

>As a slave you have no freedom
This assumes you are playing as a privately owned slave with a micromanaging owner.
RyonaRPG deals with this by having (public) slavery being used a collateral for debts, meaning that while everyone knows you are a slave (and hence a bad debtor so they'll only sell you shitty wares compared to when you are in regular adevnturer mode) you are still free to deal with the daily life as a slave as you see fit; prioritize getting some money every day or let the interest pile up because you need to save up to hoard potions for a dungeon raid or do you go and break down and whore yourself out?
Additionally there is a mechanic in-game (how you do it would be a spoiler so I won't mention that) where you can end up stuck with a permanent slave collar that can't be taken off, marking you as slave for life, upping the ante (whereas other games would just consider it game over).
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>>6634662
Continued

>>6631994


>Most of the time it works out as the player trying to accomplish a goal, and then being enslaved as a setback to that goal (see Whorelock). But this often falls into the same problem. Sitting around having stuff done to you while you wait to be able to interact in the game world again just isn't very fun.
I find it stange that you mention Whorelock and yet you seem to have missed what makes it fun. It's a very Dwarf Fortress approach.
You give the player a goal to accomplish to make their in-game character's life better (be it escaping from slavery or just getting rewards for being a good slave if you prefer that). They have to deal with hard to choices and find a way to make them pay off long-term. That's not unlike other videogames that put you between a rock and a hard place where you get choices but regardless of your choice you get fucked later down the line.

>I really wish I could thing of a good way to design a game that would be fun from the slaves perspective.
Personally I would like to see such a game because of the challenge it presents. Most "games" from the dom's perspective are extremely shallow, there is no wrong choice most of the time and plenty of room to make mistakes.

>>6632094
>However, slaves are tools, not agents. There's not really a good core mechanic that would work when playing as a slave, since the actual decision-making power belongs to the master.
I disagree, that is only true if the master is a micromanagement freak, but often master's just want obedient slaves, they don't particularly care how the slaves are obedient which already opens up design space between being rebellious, devoted or "reluctantly obedient" with several degrees in between.

That's not even talking about situations I mentioned in the previous posts.
Skyrim's mods for example often use cursed collars locking onto you as a magical trap meaning people assume you are runaway slave (and maybe there is a master who set up that trap)
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>>6634668
Continued:
Again, with said cursed slave collar status you open up even more roads in design.
The player can try to get rid of the curse themselves (finding a counter-spell), they can decide to give up by going just to the master who set up the trap to ask for some bargain (maybe the master [or mistress I don't want to be switching around pronouns] is only a prankster and will release her after she does a few things for him or maybe he's a skilled slaver and he'll collar her, get rid of all her stuff and start training her), etc. with the game being a quest for getting rid of the collar somehow while dealing with the consequences (possibly being just outright enslaved by someone else along the way).
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>>6632776
>If you do want to go with standard ass kicking RPG gameplay, you just need to come up with a reason the player character is obedient. Maybe a magic slave collar compels you to obey. Maybe you're just genuinely loyal to your master.
You just reminded of a genius idea I read on grigbertz's site years ago (he's a great /d/ and /tg/ artist but due to him being western I cannot post the art).

He had a character archetype concept for tabletop old school /d/ & /d/ style RPG called "Bondage Witch" (though technically you could be also a Bondage Warlock).

This kind of character heightened their senses for magical spells by restraining their body quite literally with Bondage outfits. The idea being that by taking yourself the ability to fight back using physical attack/defense you force yourself to be more focused on magical attack/defense (bonus points if your leather straightjacket and metal collar are enchanted or "enchanted").
You could play the character solo though normally it was recommended they had someone trusted as their tank and "master/mistress".

And while it didn't require you to be a slave, it did mention you could apply it on a regular magic user with cursed items (or control an existing Bondage Witch in a similar fashion)
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>>6633914
>You'd need to have the owner put restraints on the PC if she doesn't meet certain objectives - leg chains that slow down movement, a gag that keeps her from talking to NPCs, ballet heels that force her to crawl on her hands and knees, etc.
Different anon. That sounds quite nice actually.

>I think Anon just likes the thought of FemShep being submissive. Like the slavegirl equivalent of a pit bull.
Or well, any first person RPG/FPS. There are already mods for Fallout and Elder Scrolls that do similar kinds of ideas though they are relatively self-contained or only affect clothing.

If you designed a game from the get-go with the idea in mind you could do some interesting idea

>Samus
Discussing all this has given me flashbacks to Other M where Adam was basically acting like an abusive master to Samus.
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>>6634509
Given the other anon apparently doesn't seem to be able to concisely explain his thoughts into English I'll try to answer your quetsions myself (though how I'd apply that mechanic and how he'd apply it might not be the same, in fact there are already mods for the game "Crusader Kings" of the same company using the same engine that use the idea from a dom's perspective but which is more suited for comparison purposes)

>1. How do Crusader Kings mechanics work?
>2. How would you use them to simulate being a slave?
You get different pools of resources to upgrade your country/your leader/your army/etc all to further the glory of your dinasty (or in the case of a slave game your position in a harem).
They are split as follows:
- Gold. The classic. You get this through taxes and spend it on building/troops/deals with foreign powers. In a slave game you'd probably barter instead unless entrusted with master's money but you could use some other "base currency".
- Administrative, diplomatic and military points: You get a base amount every month and can get more using money (in EU4 using counselors/diplomats/quartermasters/etc). These allow you to unlock new branches of goverment for their corresponding category and in a slave RPG would be the equivalent of hording "experience points" but sploit amongst categories (house chores, eroticism, charisma, etc) and unlocking special abilities in each branch.
- Reputation mechanics: In Paradox games (the name of the dev) you need to manage your reputation so you don't piss off the AI and all countries gang up against you. This is done through just plain reputation (have you broken peace/alliance agreements, gone on war without a declaration of war or justifiable reason, etc making you a loose cannon?), religious reputation (excommunication from the church), if you are monarchy by having a bastard heir or having ruined your dynasty's prestige.
You can adapt those mechanics to reputation management towards your master.
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>>6634509
The mechanics are abstract, as most of them rely on arbitrarily dividing up advancements into 3 point systems. The game itself is similar in design philosophy to a slave game. there is no win or lose situation, and you generally play to do what you like. Available to shape your country using the aformentioned economy boils down to a few things. you can use that economy to purchase advancements. or you can use that same economy to do actions. these actions are X4 type things, so if you decide you want to do lots of exploring type actions, normally you would pick the advancements and special culture options that give you bonuses to do actions of that nature. the actions also cost points however, and to ensure bilateral growth, you are expected to carefully manage your resources, (the point economy, with money as a secondary, but less relevant stat) in order to accomplish whatever goals you set out for yourself.

The goals work for a slave simulation because they offer a lot of customization. and the economy is all abstract. It also has a lot of conflict and competition elements, which is what you need for a game to truly be dramatic and fun, a reason to come back and play again. The goals actions would focus on, either as a master or as a slave, things that are related to that context. As though they where competing countries, they can force actions on eachother. these actions can be things like forcing a slave to not wear clothes. A slave can choose to disobey, to fight the order directly, or to accept, in this simple example. each choice would have repercussions for the slaves economy, which it is trying to maximize, but the owner overdoing their actions will make it harder for them to achieve their goals, as the slave gets bonuses for being overwealmed, and the owner accrues penalties for having to put more work to get the same ammount of results.
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other times they may risk damaging trust or make the slave unhappy, which may go against the owners goals as well, although not always.

The game would focus heavily on what in EU4 is the idea system. these will be changed to goals. A goal is simply as it sounds, A master and slave can have goals. often they will conflict but they may not. A goal may be to escape. A goal may be to change something about themselves. Perhaps instead of running away you aim to be top slave and work your owner around your finger, perhaps you simply want to please him and want to make him less likely to abuse you by cultivating kindness. whatever the goal, they will work the same way as in EU4. they are there to enhance the ACTIONS you can take.

the main thing which is different from EU4 is the master. the master doesn't get goals that affect themselves, though they may have traits that unlock, instead their goals affect the slave being trained. so as you are investing points into your goals as a slave, the owner is also investing points into their training you. and by training you, when you and their goals come into conflict, they wage war on eachothers economy. The slave who doesn't want a certain training goal by the master would have to resist that training, but the owner can do so anyway if they play their cards well or the slave plays their cards poorly. when a milestone is complete in a goal, instead of giving the master a boon, it changes something about the slave. Goals like "gladiator/bodygaurd training", "Cordial meekness" "Domestic servitude" would have mile stone benefits that restrict the slave and can't be removed, perhaps ever. for example. Cordial meekness may have a later ability that permanently decreases the slaves economy gain by 1 in the mental stat.
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speaking of that, i think an easy abstraction for the system is to keep 3 point types and label them Body, Mind, and Soul. Each point type represents the level of effort a slave or owner can endure. The more they gain in a stat, the harder it will be to overcome the other in that specific area. A slave who has low soul may not be able to deal with horrors and the clawings of negative emotions, even if they have a lot of room to think and plan, or physical energy to act. they would then if the owner chooses to take actions and goals that affect that stat, probably would not be able to afford goals that are directed at that specific stat, because they need all their points to slow down the owners training, assuming they have decided to shirk it.

The abstraction gives the player options for choices as they can abandon persuits and compramise into situations they ordinarily wouldnt want, because the masters goals are forcing their hand, making their story one of loss of agency. on the other hand, they could engage in a bitter battle, choosing to hold onto their goal and risk everything on it. then it would be the masters call if they wished to pour in the expensive points or perhaps reconsider their plans for the slave.

The games actions could be so many trappings of training and life. so its not likely that i could list anything close to a defining example. but the mechanics are that most actions will follow a kind of cool down system that encourages the player to weigh a decision to go all in instead of take the slow road, as they can get to their goal more reliably that way, but if they don't play their cards just right, the opponent gets more economy than them.

The combinations of traits, milestones from goals, and actions would need to be combined with flavor text, preferably rich text since the game will rely more on delivering it's narrative than having the player imagine what is happening in the gaps.
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Instead of 3d soldiers running around, the games aesthetic budget around its economy system would be based around delivering stunning passages that detail the feelings and emotions forced on you by the owner, the drudgery of tasks, the immense hope at completing a goal, and finished goals and other events or decisions may result in changed dialog as well. As the slave gets more and more along the milestones of the escape goal, they gain its capstone ability, besides being able to attempt an actual escape, the cap ability would be described in detail through text, of the unrealness of spending a day under your owners thumb knowing you can truly attempt to leave any time you want. and the morale it gives you because of the safety net. this text could be changed and affected by what level of training the slave got. perhaps this is well into the game, and despite themselves they have many compulsions to both obey and be dependant on their owner. Perhaps though they have spent the goals to be able to run away well, but the cost has increased dramatically in soul points because of one of the masters own goals effects, making the text reflect that the idea of running away is a comforting safety net, but only when you don't imagine what you will feel without him by your side.

the game builds up a narrative, and encourages the player to roleplay and build a story of a slave coming to grips with their slavery willingly or not.
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Here's an idea for a game that would be simple and short, but would appeal to people like >>6574814

The majority of the player interaction is actually character creation. You get to customize your appearance, choose your skills, whether or not you're a virgin, etc. Then you're put up for auction.

There would be various NPC buyers with different preferences. How well you fit what each buyer is looking for will determine the maximum price they're willing to pay for you. They bid until there's a winner. At which point you get an ending scene about what life with your new owner is like.

The replay value would largely be in trying to get purchased by each buyer, and see all your possible fates. Some would be much pickier than others. You could also try to see how high a price you can fetch. If you can get a bidding war going by being highly appealing to more than one buyer, it will drive up your final sale price.
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>>6634014
What games? I require a list.

For research purposes.
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>>6635700
>RPG Maker Games
Harem
Harem Collector
Overwhored
The Last Sovereign

>RAGS Games (You need a Hypnopics Collective account to get these)
Overseer
The Lilith Device

>Slave Training Games
Slave Maker
Free Cities
Jack-o-Nine
Princess Trainer (this one is more linear and story oriented than the others)
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