Who's the better character
Who's more icon
Who's more popular
Surly spiderman? Spiderman has always been popular and well known to the general public. Him, batman and superman are probably the most well known super heroes out there and he is way more popular than superman.
>If only Sony and Fox would give the rights back to marvel Spidey is the only chance Marvel have if they want to defeat the God that is Batman
If Spidey is the only chance, why does Fox need to give the rights back?
His past as a huge nerd who is bullied made him easily relatable to his target audience. It also helps that he is a funny and genuinely nice guy who rarely does thing like start a super powered civil war. Although there was that time he made a deal with the devil.
He also has several well liked cartoons and a number of video games, one of which had excellent web swinging mechanics. Also his costume is cool.
Outside the US Spider-Man outsells Batman by a large margin.
Peter Parker is a better character because unlike Bruce, outside the mask matters as much as inside. Where as Batman, all the writers seem to keep him on resting bitch face and there could be a considerable amount of decent stories around Bruce having to solve his problems not as Batman.
Superman however is more iconic of Superheroes. He's the quintessential cape.
In terms of media exposure, merchandising and comic book presence it's more like:
4. Iron Man
Design. Not just costume, but his powers and MO allow for cool looking situations. Seriously, adding wall-crawling, super agility and web make for an acrobatic and unique fighting style, aswell as unique situation where he just hangs out in cooler ways than basically anyone.
And shit, fucking web-swinging? That shit is so fucking cool.
Secondly, characterization, at least when done muh, is pretty fun. He's an insecure wise-ass with a good heart, what's not to like?
Also some cool villains.
Show kids this symbol
they'll say it's iron man
This is very time sensitive under the power gap.
Bats, Spidey and Supes are the only ones that have remained steady or grown for the last 50 years.
IM was not exactly unknown before the MCU, but he wasn't a power player and was arguably less recognizable than Cap. The X-Men as a group have been consistently popular, but the face of the franchise has varied widely. Wolvie has been it for the better part of the last 25 years though.
Wrong actually. Spider-Man generally sells better than Batman. Both comic book and merchandising wise. It changed quite a bit for the last few months since BvS promotions are over the top but for the last 4 decade, Spidey sold way better.
1 - Superman
2 - Spidey
3 - Batman
4 - X-Men
1 - Spidey
2 - Batman
3 - X-Men
4 - Superman
It's just my observation though. I might be wrong. But Superman will boost his popularity once BvS comes out.
Flash is the most popular superhero followed by batman and superman in terms of t shirts
Batman and superman and even iron man outsell spiderman in every other medium besides toys
The toys are still debatable because not all batman and superman toys are taken into account
And for the sake of argument
So I guess I'll post it again. You'll notice how it says "licensed products", not "toys".
Flash sells because BAZINGA
>Batman and superman and even iron man outsell spiderman in every other medium besides toys
No they don't. Spider-Man has the third or fourth most sucessful cinematic franchise of all time. Even more sucessful than Batman. And other than few months of exposure, Spider-Man comics sell better all the time. Plus, this >>79861838
>who's more popular
Spider Man, for obvious reasons.
>Who's the better character
Tony. There's only one Iron Man in the mainstream continuity, and he's only been replaced for very short periods of time.
Spiderman can be replaced with a number of different characters, male or female in the role with similar results, primarily because his core traits are so relatable, but Tony brings a complex flavor of identity to the Iron Man that's difficult to replicate with another person in the suit. There's also the fact that he's among the few heroes that has a very good reason to go through costume changes, since his suits can vary heavily depending on function and/or performance improvements.
Spiderman has the biggest number of quality books mainly because he's so easy to write, but Tony is a character that has the potential to shine far brighter under the right writer.
Apparently, they currently think the right writer is Bendis. Ah well, maybe someday...
Stan Lee/Ditko Run for example. Especially If This Be My Destiny. Then the Night Gwen Stacy Died, Boy Who Collects Spider-Man, Alien Suit Saga, Kraven's Last Hunt.
But majority would probably say either USM or Marvel Knights.
True, but the reason Sheldon wears it is because it's an awesome logo that translates really well to T-shirt and doesn't say "I'm a dudebro" as much as a Superman T.
Besides he wears GL shirts aswell and nobody buys those
When they bring in that sort of money they probably have toilet paper with their faces on it.
Man, I enjoy deadpool. I like some of his comics and I thought his movie was pretty good. But one movie isnt going to put him on spidermans level.
He has creeping in the shadows and narrowing his eyes.
And you underestimate how much the rest of the world likes Spider-Man, especially children. Like really, the cliché image I have of a south american child has him wearing a Spidey T-shirt.
Deadpool is mostly popular with internet nerds, and Iron Man is still a relatively recent trend that doesn't really propagate to other media than cinema.
The amazing Spiderman killed all Spiderman hype
No Spiderman movie has ever made more than iron man 3
Ironman is better, more popular and as iconic as hulk and wolverine.
On top of that, he's never had a bad movie
You can make that argument for Deadpool because now he's getting mainstream recognition, but Iron Man has been a thing for almost a decade now.
Look at >>79861838
"Avengers" means that people are buying less Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America stuff COMBINED than they are Spider-Man stuff.
What guy? I answered 2 of your posts.
If you have contradicting numbers from last year, post them. Until then I'll trust the numbers I've seen and my own experience over you smugingly dismissing evidence as not good enough.
For example, I was born in 84 and I don't remember a time I didn't know who Spider-Man was. And I learnt who Batman is with the 92' movie. It might be different for some other people but dunno.
But if he is so popular where is Italian Iron man? Check mate atheists.
Spiderman was probably popular when my dad was a kid. He certainly was when I was and I had never even read one of his comics.
>Batman doesnt really have a hand gesture I can think of off the top of my head.
I dunno either. I was born in 1985, and I'm not sure whether my 1st contact with Batman was Batman 1989 in whatever year I actually saw it or BTAS:
I'm not sure how I knew Spider-Man, but I liked him and read his comic before the animated series from 1994, which is a bit weird considering nobody reads cape comics in my country. I have no idea where I got the
Spiderman is like a weird memetic disease for children. They all know about him and think he is cool without ever being exposed to him. Its like how birds know to fly south in the summer.
This is my dream final power level for him. His action sequences in Ultimates were pretty awesome; he'd get hit into pieces but then rebuild himself on the fly to the point his fists flew out and punched in multiple directions.
It's also a good way to push his Howard Hughes-esque inspirations and see him evolve/devolve into an almighty A.I so he gets away from all the weak aspects of himself (his carnal desire for meaningless sex and drink)
or he becomes the ultimate dildo.
>Batman doesnt really have a hand gesture
Spider-Man doesn't really have great music attached to it,
The best/most memorable/iconic is still probably this
I'd say Batman has the best music in various media, followed by Supes.
Before, people who read comics knew who he was. Today, people who do anything know who he is.
Iron Man had a cartoon in the 60s, and he had a cartoon in the 90s. That's literally how forgettable he was before the movies put him on the map.
True enough, it's the only comics 60s music that survived in popular consciousness besides Batman's 1966 one.
Too bad the more recent Spidey movies or shows couldn't pull a a Danny Elfman. Or a Shirley Walker. Or a Hans Zimmer. Seriously Batman has been blessed. Well they did have Danny Elfman on Raimi's movies but his brass heavy style doesn't work as well for Spidey.
>I dont think I have ever read a single ironman comic.
I've read a few and I liked what I read. Parts of the David Michelinie run and John Byrne's run. Classic Tony is pretty cool and I like his Rouge's gallery, but I think all of what I liked about Ironman got thrown away in the 2000's
Only bad Iron Man story comes into my mind are in 2000's. I liked how he was basically smug Howard Hughes.
I enjoyed Fraction and Ellis Iron Man though.
By the way, Ellis' favorite character is Iron Man right?
It works with the scene but it's a poor composition, the lyrics are as uninteresting as it gets, and even the flow isn't good.
If the whole movie was on the level of this song it would have been what people think Memepool is.
Iron Man was always a pretty good character, but never really an overly cool one, outside of him coming up with new weapons for his suits.
So yeah he flied under the radar, but his old stuff is good honest-to-God superhero stuff.
>but his old stuff is good honest-to-God superhero stuff.
I love Doomquest so much. Iron Man and Doctor Doom ended up accidentally traveling through time, arrive in the age of Camelot, and then take Tony teams up with King Arthur and Doom teams up with Morgan Le Fay