CAROL CORPS BTFO!!! BASED BREVOORT! Even Marvel knows who the

>>79840356

He's right

Carol Danvers is Ms. Marvel. Let's change her back to that, and Kamala can be Ms. Fantastic or something

>>79840428
Carol can be called Warbird again.

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>>79840356
Is Carol actually the strongest woman in the marvel universe?

>>79840356
I seriously hope that anonymous is b8ing him, there can't be people that stupid.

>>79840481
>>79840524

Carol Corps members are delusional.

>>79840481
Monica is much stronger than Carol

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>>79840356
>Brevoort actually said something smart for once

>>79840481
She's been proclaimed that ever since they revealed she was getting a movie. They're trying to build their own trinity with her as one of them.

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>>79840356
He's probably just trying to piss "the carol corps" off so they buy more comics in their quest of making her THE Captain Marvel.

>>79840481
>>79840481
No, I bet Thor would wreck her ass

>>79840616
>Carol Corps
>Buying comics

Funny.

>>79840624
I think recently they've even said in the comics that she's supposedly more powerful than him.

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>>79840428
There's only one Miss Fantastic and that's Lyja

>>79840642
Maybe this diss is what finally pushes them over the edge.

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>>79840356
but also:
>we're not trying to make a Marvel Wonder Woman, we'd rather have a character who would actually sell. Carol is doing just fine in that regard.

>>79840689
They just care about pretty pictures and GURL POWER, anon. The words of a man don't phase them.

>>79840594
They've stopped trying to make her Wonder Woman.

>>79840740
>We'd rather have a character who would actually sell

Why Carol then?

>>79840740
>fuck quality
Marvel's motto for the 21st century.

>>79840822
Movie.

>>79840740
>we'd rather have a character who would actually sell
>Wonder Woman already has a massive pop culture presence
>Wonder Woman beat Carol to the big screen
>Wonder Woman's book still sells more than Carol's
>Wonder Woman has like 4-5 books going on now

he just sounds salty to me

>>79840481
I thought that was Jen?

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>Marvel Comics
>Captain Marvel (Original) 1967
>Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers (now known as Captain Marvel) 1977

>DC Comics (originally published and owned by Fawcett Comics)
>Captain Marvel/Billy Batson 1939

How exactly would Disney or anybody sue DC for the rights of the name "Captain Marvel"? Even DC trying to rename him "Shazam" havent work very well because fans like the original and real name.

>>79840876
lol No? Not even in the top 10.

>>79840481
Nope, but she did wreck people in the cartoon

>>79840844
When?

>>79840481
Wanda just needs to say
>No more Carol Corps

>>79840859
>"Lol look at our talking raccoon, where is Wonder Woman?" for two whole years
>Now it's "W-wonder woman won't sell, o-ok?"

>>79840915
2019. Long way off.

The second Wonder Woman movie might be out before Carol gets her first solo.

>>79840915
2021 I think.

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>>79840938
>>"Lol look at our talking raccoon, where is Wonder Woman?" for two whole years
>>Now it's "W-wonder woman won't sell, o-ok?"
>The second Wonder Woman movie might be out before Carol gets her first solo.
El Oh El

>>79840356
I wish there was a way to see how booty blasted that fan got with that reply.

>>79840877
the Captain Marvel name is weird

DC actually lost the rights to title his comics Captain Marvel when they socked the character away after acquiring Fawcett Comics, so Marvel moved in and created their own Captain Marvel, trademarking the name. That's why DC's Captain Marvel comics are titled some variation of Shazam!, and why at New 52 they decided to make the book name and character name match, since they straight up can't title a book Captain Marvel

>>79841024
They probably wrote a long post about how Tom Brevoort is an evil white cis male who is trying to get in the way of Carol being the bestest hero ever!

>>79840877
it's b8 anon, they wanted Brevoort to say something stupid

I love his passion in trolling

He's not wrong though

>>79840356
he's right but he's clearly only saying that to get a rise out of people

like always

>>79840481
Does Marvel even acknowledge the X universe anymore? Cause Jean Grey is way stronger.

>>79840740
>we'd rather have a character who would actually sell
kek

Good luck with that, seeing how Disney refuses to make superhero toys for girls, while WB is seriously marketing the shit out of Wondie and their other female characters.

>>79841155
Isn't she dead besides the teen version?

>>79841071
>DC actually lost the rights to title his comics Captain Marvel when they socked the character away after acquiring Fawcett Comics

Kinda true. DC/National sued the ever loving fuck outta Fawcett and CC Beck, claiming that Captain Marvel was an infringement on Superman. DC/National wins and Fawcett is forced to stop published Captain Marvel. A few years later they buy Fawcett out and then bury EVERYTHING. By then the rights to the name lapsed and Marvel swooped in.

Basically, DC fucked themselves in the ass.

>>79841155
Phoenix of the White Crown Jean's alive status is questionable at best

>>79841161
>Disney refuses to make superhero toys for girls
So manchildren don't buy them and fuck them?

>>79840740
But Wonder Woman outsells Carol, even with shit writers. It took Carol 40 years to get to 100 issues, no one likes her and no one ever will.

>>79840481
She's not even the strongest Earthling. Titania is stronger than her.

>>79841161
>Disney/Marvel where are the ladies
>Forgot about ladies, we have a talking raccoon!

>DC where are the ladies
>ok, here's Superhero Girls and a Wonder Woman movie, enjoy
>WHY ARE YOU SO SEXIST/RACIST/BEHIND THE TIMES DC? I'm going to watch Black Widow's 30 minutes of screen time instead!

>>79840481
But doesn't that mean there's two equally strong female characters, since Rogue has her exact powers?

>>79841191
I wouldn't say they fucked themselves; it was more that they lacked foresight. They probably assumed that Captain Marvel would be forgotten by the masses in favor of Superman.

>>79841265
>since Rogue has her exact powers?
When is the last time you read a fucking comic book? She hasn't had Carols powers in over a decade or more.

>>79840657
>him

Get with the times, dude or dudette or whichever gender you've chosen to identify as.

>>79841155
Does phoenix bump even count? It would be like saying Doom is the strongest because of battleworld.

>>79841265
Carol has gotten stronger since Rogue copied her powers

>>79841265
Rogue's powers aren't an exact copy of her victim's, because she has no prior experience using them.
Also, I'm pretty sure the powers Rogue stole from Ms.Marvel aren't the same powers that Ms.Marvel has in the present.

Useless trivia: Rogue is called Titania in Mexico

>>79841333
well if the most powerful version of Jean is chilling in the White Hot Room, which she has been known to do, she's about on the level of the cosmic abstracts

>>79841229
I like her.

>>79841314
Not gonna lie, haven't read X-books in a long time. Don't care about mutants anymore.

>>79841442
What do you like about her?

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>>79840657
Carol's an energy absorber. Her power levels will fluctuate upwards wildly depending on how much she has spooling around inside her. So some days she might be more powerful than Thor, mostly I'd guess not though. Like pretty much every other super-strength character though her power level flux mostly due to authorial fiat - in other words it depends on what the writer needs her to be able to do for the story.

Note: the only people who think she's ever been hanging around below She-Hulk levels are the turbonerds who start referring to the stats posted in RPGs and so on. Those things only get put in to appease the 'power ranking!' autists and are less canon than even anything Bendis thinks up.

>>79841161
New York's Toy Fair pretty much highlights this difference when it comes to merchandise: http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-toy-fair-batmobile/

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>>79841607
These are pretty cute senpai

>>79841637
That might as well be a completely different character at this point.

>>79840481
SHE HULK STRONGEST THERE IS

>>79841607
well it looks like DC finally figured out that marketing to girls is ok

hopefully that means the next Young Justice won't get cancelled

>>79841353

As another anon said, Rogue hasn't even had copid Ms Marvel powers for a decade. She's had Sunfire's for a while since, then got reset to her pure power-absorption, and now has Wonder-Man's. I think.

>>79841697
That's the biggest problem I have with the Carol push.

Also Kamala a cute so I would not mind her being in Peter's class or something

>>79841697
Bendis and marvel seem to be bringing back fascist Carol for Civil War II

>>79841883
>Also Kamala a cute so I would not mind her being in Peter's class or something

What if she replaced Black Bolt as strongest Inhuman?

>>79841729
And soon the deadest hulk there.

>>79840616
Getting a new artist on Captain Marvel would also increase sales. The writing for the new series has actually been pretty good.

>>79841949
Get fucked.

>>79841929
And Ewing had her have some of her memories returning in Ultimates. They are slowly peeling the KSD off.

>>79841883
Always happens when they try to lift a character though - in order to get the wider audience they have to normalise it in some way - remove negative traits (like that hint of sadism in Carol), and bump up their heroism.

It is pretty much how we arrived at nogunz Batman and nokill Supes from their original incarnations.

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>>79840481
Pretty sure Jen is stronger although who knows who the strongest in the Universe really is.

I thought about Gamora since she took down Jen and Rogue with Ms Marvel type of strength (althoigh she used Jen's strength against Rogue) but I guess she is just the best fighter or was since Bendis really nerfed her and made her useless

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>>79841976
Did I offend you somehow anon?

>>79841963
Rocafort!

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>>79840966
I loved the sound effect they used for her power.

>>79840481
um I mean Nico Minoru could erase her in one word

>>79842031
>how we arrived at nogunz Batman
you mean in like the second issue

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>>79842178
He's already drawing Carol.

>>79841234
Not to mention Batwoman, Renee Montoya (yeah, DC was passing the mantle to women and minorities AT THE SAME TIME) before it was cool, etc.

This "DC is racist/sexist/homophobic" shit confuses the fuck out of me. DC and Marvel have both gone out of their way for a long time to be includive. The only difference is, Marvel is just cynical about it nowadays (with the probably-just-got-lucky exception of Kamala) and DC is still trying.

>>79842231
I miss Renee

>>79842230
Exactly. Now, imagine him also doing her ongoing.

>>79840553
>CQC Bro
nice trollpost

>>79840667
I miss mai waifu.

>>79842231
It comes down to one simple thing: PR.
DC is fucking terrible at public relations for some reason.

>>79840859
He gets salty if you compare Marvel to DC and say DC is better, like when he was asked about why he didn’t use Tales to Astonish or Tales of Suspense as alt titles for hero comics or anthologies and he said that those titles had no recognizable brand and that fans wouldn't buy them and that it would alienate new fans.

Then another anon said something along the lines of " You're right, they are not as popular or recognizable as Detective Comics, Action Comics, and Brave and the Bold" and he got salty about that even saying that thise titles don't do good.

>>79840356
>CAROL CORPS BTFO!!!

Who?

>>79842270
but then he wouldn't be drawing Miss America's thighs

>>79842316
Even when they aren't doing anything wrong there is a weird negative public perception of them that people don't want to let go of, it's weird

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>>79842231
It's because DC can't market for shit, and they are stuck with a bad rep with people always parroting the new52 is bad meme. Marvel on the other hand goes all out with their marketing. OPs pic is a perfect example of they're marketing working.

>>79841229
>But Wonder Woman outsells Carol, even with shit writers. It took Carol 40 years to get to 100 issues, no one likes her and no one ever will.

That is all true, and what Brevoort said is also true. Wondy is one of the worst characters in sales if you take into account she's one of DC's trinity.

>>79842144
Shithuman fans are horrible people. Ignore him.

>>79842231
Marvel does it for the publicity

DC does it because they think it's the right thing to do

>>79842442
This is what their heroes are often like too.

>>79842185
The EMH Kree storyline starting with Mar-Vell's and Carol's introduction episode would make a good plot for a Carol movie just change a few things here and there and focus it on her.

>>79842434
Go back to the CompleX, faggot.

>>79842382
They don't grandstand nearly as much as Marvel, which is part of why I like them and also part of why they're getting shit on. I mean, Marvel does the full-court press whenever they do anything vaguely progressive, and people eat it up.

>>79842442
>Marvel does it for the publicity
>DC does it because they think it's the right thing to do

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

This has to be trolling.

>>79842501
See? Precisely my point.

>>79842230
>>79842178
Too static.

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>>79842434
But anon, I'm an Inhumans fan

>>79842316
>DC is fucking terrible at public relations for some reason.

Blame Stan the Man, ever since he took over in Marvel it has been this way. DC could never figure out how to fight Stan's antics, and the perception has lasted ever since.

>>79842538
I mean, either they're doing it for shits and giggles, or they're doing it because they think it's right

either way they're certainly not crowing about it at every turn like Marvel

>>79842231

I remember being flabbergasted when the new 52 launched and there were several female heroes getting their own solos, along with the birds of prey, and other team books. Marvel had ZERO books starring women, but were still loved by sjws. DC just can't catch a break.

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>>79842556
Yeah?

>>79842382
>It's because DC can't market for shit
>>79842316
>DC is fucking terrible at public relations for some reason.
Because no matter what they do, they will be attacked by Disney-owned media.

>>79842277
love you too anon.

>>79842587
Go fuck yourself then. You're literally shilling for Marvel.

>>79842611
>Because no matter what they do, they will be attacked by Disney-owned media.

Disney hasn't always been owned by Marvel, are you a new reader? Marvel has been good at the PR game for decades. DC for some fucked up reason cannot win when it comes to that game.

>>79842611
>Because no matter what they do, they will be attacked by Disney-owned media.

Nope! This is historically one of DC's huge flaws >>79842588

Disney has nothing to with it, it's an internal DC issue which they have never been able to figure out.

>>79842636
>Muh muties

>>79842645
>>79842637
>Marvel can do no wrong
Nice company war, bro.

>>79842637
>Disney hasn't always been owned by Marvel
The fuck, reverse that.

>>79842600
Nigga they're both doing it for publicity. DC is just flat out terrible at PR for some reason. Their marketing department must be run by literal retards most of the times

The one good thing is that Marvel's seeing diminishing returns. Controversy and constant renumberings are starting to just drive people off, and all their grandstanding about how progressive they are is starting to ring hollow, possibly due to their employees shooting their mouths off over twitter without thinking too hard.

>>79842685
anon they're literally just saying Marvel is better at PR and has been historically

>>79842662
And shitposting now too! Do you do it for free?

>>79842600
Both of them do it for one thing: money. Get this into your head, both companies are as cynical as it gets, and they just want your money. Their methods vary, their goal doesn't.

If you haven't figured it out and think one of them is the good one and the other the evil one, you must be underage b&

>>79842685
That's not what's being said at all, you illiterate fuck.

We're saying that Marvel has better PR, despite quality or anything like that. Learn to read.

>>79842719
Ignore him, he always acts like this when people bring up DC's shit marketing.

>>79842685
Oh no, they can do plenty wrong, they just have better PR than DC, largely due to Stan Lee being a great showman. The difference is when Marvel does wrong, everyone forgives them.

>>79840740
>Wonder Woman
>selling
>continuously gets her book relaunched to try to bring in new readers
>constantly has to have other characters come in to try to prop up sales
>maybe one run where it wasn't ongoing clusterfuck
>still beats Captain Marvel in sales
That's how you know Marvel keep fucking up with Captain Marvel

>>79842716
MUH PR companywarfaggots BTFO

>>79841161
Not to mention if you showed Captain Carol and Wonder Woman to a bunch of little girls I bet mpst of them would pick Wonder Woman over Carol, Diana has that magical girl look.

Also aside from Kamala, Wasp, and She-Hulk Marvel doesn’t have a lot of female characters that would be attractive for little girls without going through a major make over.

Also the current female characters in the MCU movies are mostly damsels or agents. Widow? Yeah all that tortured red on muh ledger and black catsuit wouldn't appeal to them and most little girls like Thor and Hulk. I guess Sif has potential but Marvel really fucked up by featuring Jane more than her.

>>79842731
>>79842761
>PR = quality
That's a new one.

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>>79842716
>Marvel's #1 relaunches and events only providing one-issue boosts at best
>DC moving more into the bookstore trades market
>Image just sort of tootling along like it always has
>Tom King getting more exposure

>>79842820
>someone will reply to this

>>79842820
See? Just like I was saying. Always acts the same. Must be literally autistic.

>>79842855
Image's trade sales get better every year, actually.

>>79842768
>maybe one run where it wasn't an ongoing clusterfuck
>Perez' run
>Rucka's run
>Simone's run
>arguably Azz's run
There's three (maybe four).

>>79842920
Watch it anon, you may summon the Simone Hate Force.

>>79842855
>DC moving into bookstore trades market
I still don't know why this didn't happen sooner. Surely they should've figured out ages ago that floppies aren't desirable to the mass market.

>>79842716
>The one good thing is that Marvel's seeing diminishing returns.

Hate to tell you this but Marvel is waaay above DC in sales, their highest market share difference ever in fact.

>>79842941
Batgirl was the only thing Simone ever wrote that wasn't at least decent.

>>79841161

Disney has the little/preteen girl and womanchild demo on lock.

They bought marvel and lucasarts so they could get the boy demographic. Anyone upset they're not catering to girls is blindly missing the point.

>>79842940
Yep, definitely autistic. I hope your mother doesn't make your bed, that would be embarrasing.

>>79842920
>arguably Azz's run
Eww, disgusting.

>>79842969
>and he answered again
: )

>>79842955
Oh, I know, but they're slipping. I'm less concerned about DC outselling Marvel and more interested in Marvel's business practices fucking them over.

>>79842940
but most of DC's "diversity" books are some of their best

>>79840356

> Marvelfags are seriously this deluded

>>79840356
>>79840553
To be fair.
I would laugh my ass off, and LOVE it, if DC relaunch all new Captain Marvel.
With Mary.

>>79842988
I said "arguably" for a reason. I didn't like all the lore change stuff, personally, and found Diana herself in it to be hit-or-miss.
>>79843002
Please don't feed the troll.

>>79842964
I'm sorry to tell you this anon, but... Lucasarts is... Lucasarts is dead. Lucasfilm went with a walk with him and then, when he thought no one was watching, he ripped Lucasarts' head off. It was horrible. Like a chicken.

>>79842988

> Perezfag detected

>>79843002
Yeah, but the Marvel shill wants DC to appear in The View and other retarded places, like Marvel.

>>79842942
well they finally did it and it's great because now I can apply my B&N membership to my crippling addiction to buying new trades

and that 3-for-2 yearly Christmas sale has gotten me like 6 omnis

>>79842942
It did happen sooner.
They started doing more OGNs with Earth One and random ones like Black Canary/Zatanna and NTT: Games. This was about 2010-2011? The latter ones probably didn't sell as well so they stopped doing that, but did more with their Earth One books as a result.
Marvel started the same officially in 2013.

>>79843050
>found Diana herself in it to be hit-or-miss.

Good man, yep, she was just "generic action woman" in that run. It's not dreadful but well, of course /co/ loves it.

>>79843053
:^)

>>79843053
>good taste detected
I fail to see the problem.

>>79843053
I'm the person who made the list and included "arguably Azz" and I'm a Perezfag. Perez did the best run of WW hat there's ever ben.
>>79843069
It wouldn't affect you at all except that good comics would sell longer, unless you watch the View and don't want it ruined with comic books or something.
>>79843089
I actually kind of liked the "I love everyone" line, but that's about all I can give it.

>>79840550
Miss America makes Monica look like an old decrepit woman.

>>79843087
first Earth One was in 2012

and even beyond that, half of DCYou's new ongoings were obvious tradebait

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>>79843128
>good comics would sell longer
Yeah, like Marvel...

>>79843001
They really, really aren't.

>>79843160
no she doesn't

she's way more powerful than she has any right to be as team bus but she's nowhere near Monica's level

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>>79843089
>>79843090
>>79843128

> Perezfags getting triggered

>>79843170
they are though

if you look at drops between #1 to #2, they fall about to where they were before the relaunch, and then just continue their downward trend

they're seriously just propped up by Star Wars at this point, and that well will dry up eventually

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>>79840356
>There is only one original Captain Marvel, and that is Billy Batson.
Should point out that when Brevoort says this he's referring to the original Fawcett Comics version.

>Fawcett 1939-1953 - 14 years
>Marvel 1967-2015 - 48 years
>DC acquired rights 1972 - 5 years too late

It's Marvel's now by dint of most usage and time. It's never been DC's. #justiceforfawcett

>>79843052

Lucasarts/Lucasfilm

same difference.

>>79843258
>>79843258
>if you look at drops between #1 to #2, they fall about to where they were before the relaunch, and then just continue their downward trend

Oh but then they flood the Market, and they relaunch.

>they're seriously just propped up by Star Wars at this point, and that well will dry up eventually

LOL

By the way I'm a DC fag, and I want them to get their head out of their ass and BTFO Marvel, but 'waiting for Marvel to fuck up' is not a great strategy.

>>79843367

Kid, the MCU is basically dead at this point.

@79843396

Here's a reply, you don't get a (You), though.

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>>79843396

>>79842538
I don't think DC does it because it's the right thing to do but they have been doing the whole diversity shit since the 80's and way long before Marvel started to cash in on it. They had the first female superhero team that wasn't a "lol fuck men wen r better" strawman with Birds of Prey and had tons of female led comic titles and titles lead by non white characters when Marvel had like one or two, and they were also having gay characters kiss and hug when Marvel was still too scare to show Billy and Teddy hold hands.

Fuck when they showed the first pictures of the JLU cartoon a lot of nerds got triggered because it had WW, Hawkgirl, and John Stewart and that was enough for that version of the Justice League to earn the nickname of Minorileague.

And I don't even think the Timm and the others were trying to be PC or do the right thing when they chose that team.

>>79843001
This is an impressive level of delusion.

>>79843367
even #1 sales are dropping at this point

and you can bet your sweet ass that after 2 or 3 years of constant Star Wars that will probably just amount to rehashes of the OT, people are going to lose interest

>>79843449
>someone still gave him a (You)

>>79843449
That's a nice trick.

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I think he needs to be like Captain Shazam or something. Shazam feels too empty. Like how Freddy called himself King Shazam.

>>79841929
Good, maybe now she'll be a decent character again.

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>>79843367
>By the way I'm a DC fag

>>79843553
> like Captain Shazam or something

Deadpool pls go

>>79843553
>Captain Shazam
if anything's a reminder that compromises leave no one happy, it's this

>>79843483
I got two (You)'s so I win.

>>79843366
Lucasarts made video games, arseling

Lucasfilm might as well be a zombie too since the Mouse is running things

>>79843478
>that will probably just amount to rehashes of the OT

I think that in fact, that will make the new trilogy more popular. SW fans are just plain retarded.

>>79843467
Marvel's had the X-Men since the 60s and they have been the byword for acceptance, inclusion and diversity since then. Northstar's been gay since his creation in 1979 and was married in the comics at the same time DC was messing around with Batwoman to make her appear less gay. Take off the DC blinkers, buddy.

>>79843701
well people caught on to JJ's attempts with Star Trek, hopefully they'll catch on here

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>still no Shazamily ongoing

>>79843717
Batwoman is disgusting with her albino skin anyway.

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>>79843396

DC SHITS!

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>>79840356
nigga god damn

>>79843717
the X-men didn't have a nonwhite member until 1975, tho

>>79841234
Disney bought the best PR money could buy.

>>79843467
Marvel had the first black superhero and the first black superhero solo title, and then DC copied them with >worst GL.

Marvel probably copied a shit ton things off them. Both of them publish whatever they think will sale.

>>79843903
Disney's PR is literally based on nostalgia and exploiting other people's hard work and imagination.

>>79842955
>Marvel getting bought out by the company that owns Star Wars was a cunning plan to get access to the world's most popular IP! Why can't DC come up with ideas like that?

>>79843877
>muties
>white

@79844023

Who are you quoting?

>>79843710
?

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>>79840924
I'll never care about Carol until she and Wanda are pals again.

So, never.

>>79844115
Maybe Bendis will make Carol so fascist that nobody will want to use her again.

She and Wanda can bond over Bendis fuckery.

You want me to tell you why SJWs like Marvel? It's because it's "relatable". SJWs don't want to read a "power fantasy". That's why they don't like DC, DC at its core is about super heroes and how their personal life occasionally interferes with super heroing. Marvel is about people's social lives and about having super powers and super heroing interferes with their social lives. DC is for escapism, Marvel is for being relatable.

>>79844197
They like marvel because of the movies and marvel has very good PR

>>79844197
that's a funny way to spell "1 or 2 movies a year for the past 8 years"

>>79844197
>You want me to tell you a bunch of crockshit

And you did anon, you did.

>>79844197
>DC is for escapism, Marvel is for being relatable.
I hope you're just explaining their false reasoning, and that you don't sincerely believe this yourself.

Marvel's method of making characters relatable is to make them all unlikable little shits. That's the only difference.

>>79844197

How is a woman with cosmic powers on a superhero team that fights to save the universe relateable? This meme that Marvel characters are relateable needs to stop. The Marvel universe is just as much escapism as DC, Marvel characters are just unlikeable assholes.

>>79844197
I can't believed typed that crock of shit without feeling sickly.

>>79844351
well being an unlikable asshole is pretty relatable to the people they're trying to attract

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>>79843755
albinoed.com

So what exactly is the Appeal to Carol?

She just seems like a bitch with energy powers.

What does she deal with? Cosmic threats?

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Hey guys I have a confession.
I LIKE BOTH DC AND MARVEL!

the biggest marvel female is Storm
X-Men were the biggest comic book for 2 decades and a half, and she was the the leader, along with Cyclops.

when Marvel had to pick a vagina to fight against Wonder Woman in Marvel vs DC they picked Storm.

That was bullshit, because Storm won (she shouldnt beat Wonder Woman, although I think that was decided by fan vote) and also I think Wonder Woman should have fought Thor, not Storm.


The problem Marvel has is almost all their popular female characters are mutants.
The Carol thing is difficult because it is hard to make a household name out of a c list character, although they succeeded with Guardians of the Galaxy.

Although I am sure making Carol will be much harder. Guardians could be sold to people as a Star Wars substitute.

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>>79840356
Sorry, but no. There is only one Captain Marvel, and that is John Cena!.

>>79844598

Storm is like one of the strongest Mutants ever. She can generate lightning and storms almost on par with Thor.

Also Thor is the literal Superman analogue.

>>79844619
>not "and his name is JOHN CENA!"
you fucked up

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>>79844570

>>79843903
Who needs women when you can just ship two dudes together.

>>79840667
Lyja was cool.
I miss back when we could have good Skrulls.

>>79844655
Thor's a god, with a complete backstory that mirrors the Norse legends. When Marvel does Superman analogues they tend to fuck around with them for teh giggles: Sentry went mad, and Hyperion is alternately good/evil depending on the writers' mood.

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>>79844655
I am pretty sure Wonder Woman could take being hit by thunder like a champ. And Storm has the strength of a normal woman.

I know Storm is super powerful, and could destroy a medium size country with a massive hurricane, but I dont think hundreds of km fast winds would be a problem for Wonder Woman.

For wonder woman Marvel should have picked a mythical person with super human strength, like Hercules or Thor, not their most popular female.

>>79844815
She's destroyed africa in several continuities.

>>79841333
well it's different because, unless it's been retconned, being the phoenix IS her power.
think of how magnetism existed before magneto, but manipulating magnetism is still his own power. Or how light existed before but monica rambeau is sitll made of living light and it is her own power and the maximum amount of light she can use depends on her own power.
Jean was born with the power to use and be the phoenix.

>>79844598
>Guardians could be sold to people as a Star Wars substitute
But now that people can have actual Star Wars again what do they need GOTG for?

>>79844559
Carol's book was an early beneficiary of "social media" promotion. Everything about it was calculated to appeal to that segment of the fanbase - even the costume was designed for the purposes of cosplay (parents don't like their kids cosplaying in bathing suits). DeConnick pushed it on Tumblr relentlessly and cleverly, and editor Steve Wacker was good at getting media coverage.

Carol herself was not a very interesting character in this incarnation but it hardly matters. The point of the book and the promotion was that she was a Strong Woman who Punches Dinosaurs and doesn't wear bathing suits. The *idea* of Carol is what has a fan base, but then that's true of better characters too (people like the idea of Wonder Woman better than most of her comics).

>>79844181
Wanda and Carol are such an under-used friendship because one is a Silver Age Princess and the other is a Bronze Age Badass. It's a bit like Jean Grey and Storm.

>>79845153

No problem, since there are not yearly Star Wars movies.
The problem is to whom would a Carol movie be sold?

>>79845339
>there are not yearly Star Wars movies
hope that was a typo because otherwise I have some bad news

>>79844744
DA DADA DAAAA

>>79845153
CROSSOVER
>Groot, I am

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Say something nice about him.

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>tfw Carol's book is good now, she finally has her personality back, and soon the KSDCorps will fuck off

>>79845558
he can design a pretty good costume

>>79845558
no

>>79843553
They should just use Captain Thunder.

>>79842382
The problem DC have is complacency, they rely too much on Batman and Superman pop culture icon status to do their publicity..

>>79845558
>>79845558
He looks better in purple than I would.

>>79842604
One of them was a stripper, so that was like, -500 points on the progressive scale.

>>79845587
Yeah, Butters and Fazekas show the upside of getting Hollywood screenwriters to write comics, at least when compared to "real" comics writers like KSD. But because they're busy doing other things they don't have time to promote their work as relentlessly as KSD did, so they'll get less press coverage.

>>79845793
Shut up Kilgrave

>>79845816
nah, stripping's empowering now

or something

>>79844181
>Wanda, Carol, and Pym form their own Avengers
>With blackjack, and hookers

>>79840481
Carol is probably the weakest Captain Marvel but she's still high tier in terms of strength.

I hope Carol gets cancer in the sequel for her movie.

The movie is one long shot of Carol revisiting old friends and enemies while she dies.

>>79844008
So a perfect fit for comics then?

>>79840657
Didn't they state this in Secret Wars when she said she cannot match any of the Thors but she is faster than them all?

>>79840657
She got completely BTFO by Hulk. I don't think she's on par with Thor most of the time.

>>79843743
Star Trek fans are smarter, though.

>>79845165
This is 1000% accurate. Im cool with Carol being the figurehead that shes become to female readers. What I'm not cool with is people putting her on a pedestal as *the* female hero, and that everything prior to her is just ass and tits in a skimpy costume.

>>79841230
Carol blew up a planet once, titania has nothing on her.

>>79846749
She should date Stewart instead of Rhodes then

>>79842636
This Inhumanfags vs Xfags has to be one of the dumbest things I'very ever seen.

>>79840481
In the early 90's they were trying to sell Firestar as the most powerful. Since apparently she has fire powers like Human Torch and Sunfire only she has no upper limit to them.

Then Rachel Summers
Then M
Typically a mutant.

>>79842795
Problem is half the major female characters in Marvel were mutants or X-related in some way. Dropping the mutants means no Jean Gray, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Jubilee, or Kitty.

They are going to have to go back and start promoting Wasp, Monica, Sue Storm, Sersi, Tigra, and Mockingbird again.

>>79846835
They're both token black heroes wit a military background, it's not like there's any real difference between them.

>>79847079
>I've only read about John Stewart in the past 10 years.

>>79847627
Actually I've only read about him back in the early years when his personality was "black guy who's angry about racism."

>>79847720
He hasn't changed much. Now he's "black guy who's angry about *insert thing he blew up here*"

>>79847782
sometimes he's sad about *insert thing he blew up here*

>>79846944
As an Xfag I support Marvel's inhuman push, let them shit on them for a while.

>>79846944
Pretty sure it is a vocal minority on both sides.

>>79844197
>SJWs don't want to read a "power fantasy".

Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, She-Hulk and Captain America are as power fantasy as they can get.
They're not alien gods, crazy millionaires bent on revenge or mythical amazons. They're the embodiment of "i wish i was a hero to fuck up my bullies".

>>79842538
Yeah, remember when DC went onto The View to tell the American public that the new Crimson Avenger is a black woman.

>>79851278
Crimson Avenger movie when

>>79843717
>Marvel's had the X-Men since the 60s and they have been the byword for acceptance, inclusion and diversity since then

It's easy to just have a team that's an allegory for acceptance and inclusion when 90+% of the characters are white heterosexual Americans.

>>79840667

Lyja the Laserfist sounds cooler.

Who wrote the run she is in? I read about her some but I haven't read anything with her.

>>79841197
They should have brought her back instead of travelling through time to bring back the O4

>>79841963
Benes

>>79844559
Carol is such a clusterfuck of a character but now that she carries the Captain Marvel name she should fight cosmic and interdimensional threats which I guess is what she is kind of doing right now.

Too bad Marvel is dragging her to the Civil War II BS, worst is that they are dragging Thanos and the GotG into it.

>>79843717
X-Men didn't become what they are until Claremont, actually read the old comics by Stan and they discrimination angle thing is no worst than Spider-Man getting shit from the general population.

>>79857435
>Thanos and GotG involved in Civil War II
oh what the hell


are the magic heroes getting their own crossover so one of them can go to Carol and say they turned some dude inside out

>>79844197
Funny because before the SJW Marvel pandering shit started most female comic readers read DC, mainly because of Birds of Prey and the Bat Family, especially the Robins, bitches love the Robins.

Hell you can even say the whole SJW movement started with DC because shit like Girl-wonder.org and DC Superheroines kickass mainly focused on criticizing and analyzing DC comics.

I also distinctly recall someone asking the girl-wonder owner in a forum why she didn’t talk shit about Marvel and her saying "Because I don't give a fuck about Marvel"

And lets be real, Marvel Comics' popularity is mainly because of the success of the MCU.

>>79857786
>bitches love the Robins
they love one Robin

>>79857435
I love how we're going to get Carol as a jack-booted fascist in BOTH Civil Wars. Even Tony is on the right side this time, but not Carol. It's like Marvel doesn't actually care about her at all, and the whole Captain Marvel push is every bit as cynical as we've made it out to be.

>>79857984
clearly they're making the same mistake as last time and intend Carol to be in the right

>>79857944
All four of them are quite popular

>>79858025
>Tim
>Jason
>popular
oh it is to laugh

>>79858035
Jason is quite popular among the tumblr crowd, they're the ones who invented the Feminist Jason Todd as their headcanon and then started demanding DC comply with it.

Nobody cares about Tim anymore.

>>79858016
That makes it even worse. Millar isn't writing this time, is he?

I feel like I need to always remind people just how badly Iron Man was fucked up by Civil War. Readers and fans HATED Tony in the aftermath of Civil War. Half the reason we even had Dark Reign and Siege was so people would forgive Tony. If it weren't for Robert Downey Jr., Civil War might have marked Iron Man's permanent demotion to C-List status.

And now they want to stick Carol in his role... oof.

>>79858035
DC has done all they can to kill Tim's popularity, mostly by stranding him in Teen Titans hell.

>>79858078
Tim was never popular

fucking Steph was more popular than Tim

>>79858073
Simon Spurrier is writing Civil War 2.

>>79858073

People keep saying how Marvel wants Tony to be their flagship hero over Spiderman after the success and popularity of the MCU Tony.

>>79840740

Wonder Woman outsells Carol. This is top tier denial

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>>79858090
you have been misinformed

>>79840356
I really hope that anon was trolling.

>>79840481
>Is Carol actually the strongest woman in the marvel universe?
Wouldn't that be Galacta?

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>>79858085
Tim had his own solo series for over 15 years. He was big for a long time.

>>79858136

Another classic from the one and only Bendis.

>>79858136
>Spider-man on the fascist side
goddammit Bendis

>>79858136
>CAROL IS IMPORTANT YOU GUYS WE SWEAR
Every day until we like it huh?

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>>79858136
Is Spider-Man going to switch sides midway through this one, too?

>>79858073
She's doomed. I doubt they will get someone with the same pull as RDJ.

>>79858152

You know Miles is going to be with Tony.

>>79858136
Oh, then Spurrier is writing the lead-in event, right?

>>79858152
Spider-man has a huge business interest to protect now.

>>79858168
I don't think Spurrier is even writing for Marvel right now

>>79842256
I miss The Question in general, be it Vic or Renee.

>>79858201
Crap, am I thinking of Spencer?

>>79858321
Spencer's writing Standoff

>>79841883
Wait, Peter's a teacher again? I thought he ran a tech lab now?

>>79840481
Fuck no.

Hell the other female Captain Marvel, Monica, would curbstomp Carol if she wanted to.

>>79858160
Only after Miles shows him the error of his ways by beating the shit out of him then finishing him off with the venom strike.

>>79840740
Oh bullshit.

Carol sells like shit but she still got more than Monica ever did and she's getting a fucking movie.

Fuck him.

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>>79858354
She'd have to go lightform to do it, and as Carol is an energy absorber... well... It's often not a matter of pure power levels but the individual powersets providing a rock-paper-scissors side to it too.

If there's a Mary Sue type on the Ultimates who's about to get her ego curbstomped it's MAC. Brashear and T'Challa will have a plan to deal with her should she try to 'shut them down' when they start meddling in interdimensional affairs.

>>79858521
Monica could just shapeshift into Rhodey and stab the bitch

and BP and Brashear have a huge karmic backlash incoming

>>79845558
That's not his worst look.

>>79858168
>Spider-man has a huge business interest to protect now.
So does Tony.
The only reason PP is on the fascist side is so Bendis can promote Miles over him.

>>79840356
God Marvel fans are shit.

>>79858609
Tony's broke now

>>79845067
Imagine being the Phoenix
Just chilling around the galaxy frying some niggas
And then this cunt on some backwater shit planet discovers her powers and you have to fly all the way to fucking Earth of all places to sit inside her body

>>79840481

Death herself is the strongest woman. She could takeout just about anyone in the multiverse.

>>79841794

DC had a webcartoon dedicated to female Batman characters and Matty had tried hard for years to get more DC Barbie's on shelves but the inner divisions of Mattel are as bad as the ones at WB. Barbie's team wouldn't even do a She-Ra Barbie for SDCC one year for Matty because they didn't really care about the brand even though Matty said it was a highly requested item that would probably sell well.

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>>79843553
I say call him Captain Marvelous

>>79858729
didn't the Beyonders kill her and gank her power in the lead-up to secret wars?

>>79858849
she's back now

>>79849324
Incredible Hulk is just as unbelievable as Superman bro. Wolverine is an immortal superweapon who grows his entire body back from a cell at least once. Iron Man is the same fucking thing as Batman minus the pathos.

The real difference between Marvel and DC is that outside Spider-Man Marvel is just about superheroes hanging out with superheroes, while DC is about superheroes and the normal people in their lives.

>>79859060

I noticed the other day that Marvel has a tendency to give their supporting casts powers to make them relevant where as DC lets writers just create new supporting casts to keep things fresh.

>>79859149
Like?

The only one I can think of is Rick Jones.

>>79859219

Jane Foster, Pepper Pots, Flash Thompson, Rick Jones, Amadeus Cho. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Not to say DC wouldn't or doesn't do it just that I've noticed it with Marvel given how few supporting casts that aren't other heroes there really are.

>>79859060
>The real difference between Marvel and DC is that outside Spider-Man Marvel is just about superheroes hanging out with superheroes, while DC is about superheroes and the normal people in their lives.

Ms Marvel also did the superhero hanging with normal people stuff, and honestly was much better for it.

Which I supppose is another notch for that whole "Kamala is basically a Spider-Man for a new generation" thing.

>>79840428
Fucking this. She basically got Reed's powers anyway since Marvel axed any FF comics now. Too bad they also couldn't give her any of his intelligence

>>79859273

Kamala is just Blue Beetle but with a real fanbase and we all know it. There are differences but the books are the same in tone and focus. Not knocking her but its just how it is.

>>79859268
Oh, I thought you meant giving supporting characters powers to let them stay relevant in the book they are in, rather than giving them a solo with new powers.

>>79858831

Women/girls of gotham or whatever? The one where all men disappeared due to some mumbo jumbo?

>>79840356
>DC's Captain Marvel
>Ripoff
Do these people know anything about comics?

It doesn't matter if you have more female characters or a more diverse staff. You can do everything right you possible can do.
If you get snippy with one obnoxious cosplayer, and that's it for your company forever.

>>79844197
>Blanket statements
8=D

>>79858521
Monica would destroy Carol in an all-out fight anon. Carol isn't immune to energy attacks and radiation. Monica probably is due for a shutdown at some point in Ultimates though given they made a point of defining a weakness for her.

>>79840356
>there are people who actually think it wasn't b8

>>79859468
Well they're Marvel fans so of course not.

Captain Marvel(Carol Danvers) would curbstomp Monica. All Carol would have to do is absorb Monica's energy and go binary. Monica would be toast. Oh, and talk shit about Carol's shit not selling. How much has Monica's solo series sold? Can anybody remind me? I forgot.

>>79861098
Fuck you, Monica led the Avengers.

>>79840524
It's a post from Tumblr anon, the stupid goes far deeper than this.

>>79840461
Nah see, Kaboom's gotta take on the Warbird name, purely to piss Kamala off.

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>>79861098
That's what I figured - she'd just absorb Monica when in her lightform and shoot her out into a reactor or something. It was actually a party trick they did in KSD's run to destroy the really big robot - a 'lightspeed special'.

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>>79861211

>>79842964
That's true from a marketing standpoint, but princesses just aren't enough to appease the client base nowadays.

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>>79861233
This is a pretty neat idea and I'm expecting Ewing to re-use it at some point in Ultimates.

>>79861098
Monica is immune to physical attacks in lightform, which Ultimates confirms she is in pretty much all the time now.

Monica has a literally limitless source of energy which she can alter to any frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum. All she would have to do is overload Carol or change to a form of energy that it is hurtful or dangerous for Carol to absorb. Monica is also incomparably faster than Carol so this fight is immediately off to a loser.

>>79861233
>>79861222
>black woman is absorbed by a white woman
The situation there is clear, but is there some subtext going on?

>>79840356
Brevoort is actually a huge Billy/Cap fan, he loves all the old Monster Society of Evil era shit

>>79858035
Jason is popular with girls, Tim isn't.

>>79858831
Ah, but last month Mattel put out BvS Barbie dolls, so it seems WB won that argument after all.

>>79861211
>>79861222
>>79861233
>>79861250
This is black erasure in a nutshell. Also Kree erasure

>>79861141
And once Marvel decided to make Steve Rogers it's leader again, Monica became irrelevant and has been ever since. Captain Marvel lead The Mighty Avengers.

>>79858035
Uh.. Jason is quite popular, anon. He is actually the most popular Robin among fangirls.

Tim on the other hand... Yeah.

>>79843643
There's good and bad compromises.
This is a bad one.

>>79852200
You know.
Just like the average population of non-ghetto America.

>>79858838
Hey.
I see you.
I appreciate your post.

>>79859285
You mean have Kamala become the biggest self-absorbed douchebag in the MU like he was?

>>79858147
Galacta doesn't exist because Marvel's got a hate-boner for Adam Warren.

>>79859285
I'm pretty sure that's why they made her friend Bruno a super-genius.