Floppies as they are now going extinct is inevitable, not sure when though.
maybe some kind of digest/anthology or they'll just do TPBs.
Digital seems like the natural choice but I never see any hard evidence saying digital sales are consistently awesome and companies refusal to release sales numbers diminishes my faith in the digital market.
>>79835525 >Digital seems like the natural choice but I never see any hard evidence saying digital sales are consistently awesome and companies refusal to release sales numbers diminishes my faith in the digital market.
Man if only there was a reason for people to buy digital over floppies, like say if digital was cheaper and not priced the same.
>>79835372 >>79835412 Most writers out there are just writing for the trade or TV/film pitch, anyway. Before floppies can die, the LCS has to die, which won't be so hard on account of all the shitty business practices they use, like over-ordering for incentive variant garbage. Monthly sales figures can't even be trusted, because they don't account for the floppies that an LCS don't sell, which end up in a dollar bin. To pretend that floppies are selling more than in recent years is dubious, at best.
You created this wall garden, /co/. I can't even begin to read comics because you made it impossible for the casual fan to read anything.
You can't just walk in and buy Spider Man anymore. There's so many fucking spin-offs, alternate universes, it's a mess. This is why TV does so well. Arrow is straight forward - four seasons. That's it. I don't have to worry about bullshit alternate versions of the show that I'm not sure are even canon or not.
No, they're doing way, way better than a decade ago. It's not a hugely popular medium, but anyone spelling doomsday words and comparing the industry to it's heyday or other mediums is either stupid or new to the hobby, probably both.
>>79836115 That's what I think is so funny. The biggest selling comic last year was the Star Wars #1, which sold just under a million copies according to comichron. So let's be generous, rounding up to a million issues sold at $5 a piece is $5,000,000. Which to Disney, is FUCKING NOTHING. At this point, Disney should just be writing this shit off for tax breaks and giving away all comic books for free. They only use these books for character licenses for movies anyways, and even the most mediocre film brings in exponentially more money than even the best selling comics.
What if they adapted the youro standard? Release direct to trade instead of singles every month or more if delays. Allow people to make self-contained stories, so if two guys want to do a Superman story they can without worrying about canon or keeping in check with anoter 30 titles
>>79835827 All of his comic movies at least broke even, so the pitches get easier to approve with producers, it's like a snowball. His style is also very "action movie like", going on a simple A to B, using relatable characters with big widescreen setpieces interspersed with slow, cheap expository talking bits.
>>79836211 >>79835943 Look, if you hate reading and love cheap CW shows like Supernatural, you can just say it. Why lie through the internet?
While I weep for someone completely oblivious to the industry just barging in a LCS and picking up a random floppy, you guys can get quick, easy recommendations on /co/ anytime on any character, so there's really NO excuse.
>>79835078 >the Comics industry I guess you mean the AMERICAN comics industry? (sequential art is doing just fine in other parts of the world) Well, it isn't really doing that bad actually. But even if the way we think about the US comics industry changes (marvel/DC publishing mainly super heroes), there's always going to be a market for comics as an art medium. Rememer that, even though movies exist and sell millions, that doesn't mean theater and opera don't exist anymore
>>79836223 Well we'll see how that does for two of DC's digital minis. It's a Supergirl mini and an Arrow mini. There aren't any floppies and it just goes straight to trade after it's done digitally.
Though the normal digital titles do okay, usually 10-15k in print floppies and sometimes the last 4-6 issues don't even get a trade. And if all the issues are in a trade, there's usually not more than 20 issues and 4 trades. Except for Injustice. That thing is a beast that has TPBs and HCs.
>>79836348 While true, I'd say the issue is that the average comic book reader isn't on /co/, nor do they really have immediate access to those resources. Comics are a shitshow for barriers of entry. If you want to watch a tv show, you just go to Netflix and start at the beginning. If you want to read a book, you find the first one and start reading. Comics just have so many possible jumping on points, that it can be difficult to really figure out where to start. Just throwing them into the deep end with information is overwhelming, and can easily turn somebody off of the whole experience.
>>79836348 But that doesn't help the industry as a whole. You shouldn't NEED to research anything to find what you're looking for. With other mediums, it's a matter of picking out a movie/book from your favorite genre/author/director/actor. Not so simple with comics. Got a favorite character? Great! You can't just waltz in and grab whatever. You gotta research a "starting point". It's stupid.
This industry has become a walled garden. Period. It's a secret club to enthusiast only that deters "normies". That's why it's dying. There's not enough money being made because this audience is too small.
>>79835078 Nah. Marvel and DC are losing an unknown amount of readerbase because their comics have been feeling really cheap in many aspects. We can argue it doesn't even matter if they lose profit at this point.
Personally, while I'd love to see the american industry change, I think the big two will rebound easily from this
At the very worst, they just let Image and we have a big 3, assuming The Walking Dead continues indefinitely.
I have no idea about the future of the physical and floppy market. People here like to claim it's dying but nothing has convinced me so far
>>79836665 Rebound from what? The big two and the "independents" are doing way better than they were doing a decade ago, even when you just count floppies and ignore the additional market of omnibs, TPBs and digital copies.
That, and a given story and its characters are all written by the same person instead of being passed around between people with very different writing styles and accompanied by very different art, where the same character might act wildly differently depending on who is at the reins and whether they like or hate that character, or if they even know jack shit about the character they're writing to begin with. Look up a genre, find something that seems interesting, start off at volume 1.
I still enjoy Western comics, but it's not hard to see why so many people seem to have latched onto manga as an alternative; it's much easier to break into.
>>79836665 >Marvel and DC are losing an unknown amount of readerbase The people who are mad about Marvel and DC are being replaced by complacent people who don't care. Comic sales are up and to the right. Bottom line. The only worthwhile discussion is whether or not this is legitimate growth, or just a bubble ready to pop once super heroes are no longer vogue.
>>79836745 "Marvel and DC are losing an unknown amount of readerbase because their comics have been feeling really cheap in many aspects. We can argue it doesn't even matter if they lose profit at this point."
We don't know how much, it might be 1% or 10%, but they are losing something. If you ask me, it's not really hurting them
>implying people actually read more digital books/comics than physical no. fuck what everybody else said. the first world has the means to do it this instant, if it was going to happen it would already be done
>>79836962 This. Theres just so much you can do with the super hero genre and it dominating the medium created the myth that comics are for kids/teen nerds. In japan people of every age can find a comic for them.
I don't think they really understand why people are drawn to anime and manga over western comics and cartoons to begin with. To them it's likely more of a superficial thing, where they think people are attracted to the stereotypical style of it, rather than the fact that you can find stories about god damn near everything.
I think the problem I've noticed, living in America, is that it's far easier to get one's hands on either stuff from the Big Two or from Japan than it is to get a lot of the currently running Eurocomics. That's just my experience though, it might be different in other parts of the country.
>>79837289 Yeah, it sucks. There are publishers like Cinebook and scanlators, but they're either very famous series or creators (Smurfs, Moebius and such), or comics that are easier to sell to the US crowd (western, thriller, space operas etc.).
>>79835943 >>79836027 Marvel and DC are basically greedy and retarded. >more memes and characters using social media, the kids love memes and twitter >moar spinoffs, moar sales! >relauch books every year 420, #1s get more sales!!!1 >more epic events, they get sales! >more events that continue in a different book every week, people will buy more comics!
>>79835078 >Is it true that the Comics industry is dying? The North-American industry is >If its true then what is going to happen? Indiefags will say that the industry will be freed of the capeshit monopoly, but I honestly think a manga takeover is much more likely full Webcomics or what? Nah, completly unsustainable and too relaying on the good grace of your audience.
>>79837697 The distinction is that the major publishing companies will just eventually phase out comics in favor of alternative media forms while the rest of the industry will prosper offshore (read, not NA) or without publishers at all.
I imagine after a decade or so of no publishers someone will show up start a publishing company for all the indie comic makers who are bleeding money and we'll repeat the cycle again. >>79837784 For the consumer it is.
>>79837857 Marvel and DC need comics to keep their character rights in place until they can make a movie out of them and make a couple hundred million from them. I don't think Marvel and DC will ever go away at this point.
>>79837784 >>79837821 Online piracy is really only a problem in the American market, but not even that bad of a problem, mostly due to the low production cost and the strong fanbases some series have in the USA (there is a strong spirit of wanting to "support the localization")
In Japan, things are a little different, there people will activily try to stop bigger specialized piracy sites like they do in the US. If the japanese companies just decided to also try going after the bigger sites like they do in Japan, they would increase sells, but get a lot of negative blacklash, but the localization companies have already kind of started going after certain sites like Mangafox and Batoto, usually to a lighter effect so as to not piss off fans, they know that most manga fandom comes from fan-translation culture.
>>79837784 It's a completely different system. The artists work insane deadlines just for pennies. Most manga are originally published in cheap huge weekly magazines that carry a lot of advertising. Finally, since it's a creator owned centred industry, if a series does good, the creators could make a decent living out of the merchandising, TPBs and anime/movie adaptations.
>>79838025 Yes, but there is still people that care about those art forms, that's why they still exist. Even if comics stop being a massive medium (which I doubt) there will be people interested in reading sequential art.
>>79836358 >there's always going to be a market for comics as an art medium There really isn't even much of a market for that NOW though. Sure, it's there, but it isn't really thriving. And comparing theater/opera to movies and cape books to comics is retarded. You can't just jump mediums like that.
>>79838186 What's retarded is OP saying that because cape comics are "doing bad (they aren't), the whole comics industry is gonna die, that's just not gonna happen. >>79838297 Not happening either. If books were to die, they would have died already.
>>79838328 Yes, sales are up. Only time will tell if those sales will keep though. I don't have much faith in the kinds of consumers that Marvel/DC are courting to be long time investors. >If books were to die, they would have died already. I disagree. More and more people are just buying digital books now. Library attendance has been declining for years. It only takes time for the technology to spread out to enough people.
>>79835078 That's right, it's dying and the crash is right around the corner. Right alongside video games. Yeah it didn't happen the last time we said it would. Or the time before that, or the time before that or the time before that or the time before that, or the time before that, or the time before that, or the time before that or the time before that.
>>79838805 My grad year ceremony slideshow had a slide saying everyone was in the game now and how to play. Also there was a bunch of obnoxious drama class faggots who'd constantly spout off about it like it was the best thing. They'd always say "oh but you have to be playing the game! You can't just not play it" No fuck you. Your game is for faggots
This is right. They should have gone bi weekly with rotating artists decades ago. Flooding the Market with 70 titles, 5o of which will be selling around 20,000 by issue 3 is lunacy when you could release 35 at higher consistent sales
>>79842289 Yeah, just do the ones that really sell, squeeze more characters into every title (kinda like movies and cartoons do) and if a side character gets popular, maybe give them a one shot side story in the same book. Also fucking let the creators give the character closure... maybe years later do new stories only if somebody has a realy good idea for a sequel or a remake.
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