Right at the end when those hacks named Bryke couldn't figure out a legit way for Zuko and Katara to beat her so they had her go insane for reasons only revealed at the 11th hour.
Also, on a bit of a tangent, why the hell did the White Lotus invade Ba Sing Se? Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to attack the Fire Nation Capitol? It would explain how Zuko and Katara just flew into the heart of enemy territory so easily.
>>79813416 >Bryke couldn't figure out a legit way for Zuko and Katara to beat her so they had her go insane for reasons only revealed at the 11th hour. Are you retarded or something. Her whole part in the finally was her having a fucking breakdown.
>>79813416 Pretending that Aang failed at defeating/killing the Fire Lord, Ba Sing Se would've given them a much larger foothold to create a resistance against the Fire Nation, given that most of the members of the White Lotus we saw were from the Earth Kingdom it was probably easier for them to meet up over there than on some remote Fire Nation town and, quite frankly, they wouldn't have had the manpower to take the Capitol during Sozin's Comet's arrival. Even if Ba Sing Se was controlled by the FN, it was filled with benders literally everywhere you went, the Capitol would've been.
I probably put more thought into this than Bryke did though.
>>79813416 >Right at the end when those hacks named Bryke couldn't figure out a legit way for Zuko and Katara to beat her Didn't help that Byrke made the plot bend backward for Azula to make her seem hyper-competent.
>>79813234 When Iroh bring her a doll from the Earth nation while bringing Zuko a knife, reminding her that no matter how much harder she works or how talented she may be, she will never be the equal of her failure of a brother. Which also alienate her form the sane part of her family, and gave her a morbid fascination to her father's methods, since they allowed him to take the throne destined to his brother. Well, it's symbolic of course.
She didn't want to be like her trapped and "powerless" mother, and she couldn't be like her powerful grandfather or uncle, that only left her father as a role model.
Although pure at heart, her neglect by her mother and her father conditioning her to be a weapon made her a lost soul. Redemption is sweet, however, as she forges her own path and surpasses everyone's expectations while being humbled through experience.
>>79813416 There were hints right from her first appearance that there wasn't something right about Azula, they just took forever to explain what that something was beyond the typical "she's a psychopath" act.
Of course Ursa cared about and loved Azula. That's not to say Ursa wasn't a shitty parent, it's just that there are a lot of mitigating factors.
I'd say a lot of it was that Azula was always stronger than Zuko; she could hold her own, while Zuko was a little bitch. He needed more of Ursa's support and protection to survive Ozai's bullshit. By the time Ursa realized that she had basically thrown her daughter to the wolves, it was too late. Ursa wanted to contain the outbreak but Ozai had already driven the monkey to the airport.
I'm guessing that's where Ursa's current attitude is coming from. She's projecting all of her guilt for abandoning Azula onto Kiyi, desperate to not lose another daughter to madness.
Ironically, that desperation is probably going to drive Kiyi right into Azula's arms.
Although I agree with some of what you said, Azula is not lost in madness, she is just trying to cope with who she is as a person. For years she was meant to be this great and fearsome warrior but when faced with herself she hates that image and does not know who she truly is. I blame Zuko quite a bit after his last fight with her because he of all people should know what it is like to reclaim their identity and he instead just throws Azula into some institution for a good amount of time. How the hell was that ever going to help her? Just keep the problem away from the beautiful people until I have use for them? Fuck that shit.
When Scrapper fetishized a psychopath long-withheld mental illness I mean, I want her to be get help and eventually come to terms with Zuko, but it isn't worth if it means ignoring any of her major baggage. And knowing the subtlety of Bryke and GLY, I don't think it could be handled respectfully.
In all honesty, I think this is the best path for Azula. She needs to learn to put the firebending down because it's toxic for her. She needs to find a good man who can take care of her, settle down, and focus on being a housewife. Let someone else have to take care of the throne and the fighting and ease her mind by focusing on how to make a good pot of tea or how to give her children the love she never got from her parents.
Except you're not providing valid opinions, you're literally just saying "She's tragic, and needs help, and will make a big turn around any day now!" every single fucking thread. THAT'S shitposting. You're devaluing the Avatar threads of any potential discussion with your goddamn obsession over one character
I provide context to my arguments I point to comic book pages as well as provide evidence from the shows itself. Anon, you can hate me and my arguments all you want, I don't care, but for the love of God stop saying I just post the same goddamn post over and over again. It's insulting to me as a user of this site because I put too much work into these arguments to have you besmirch them.
No, you provide vague context that can be taken in any way, but constantly insist there's some grand scheme to make Azula have some flowery turnaround with her character.
And boo fucking hoo if it's insulting you. You're an attention whoring tripfag who does nothing but fawn over Azula and make it difficult for the rest of the board to even have any kind of talks involving Avatar without your dumb ass popping up EVERY SINGLE TIME.
>>79822417 >No, you provide vague context that can be taken in any way, but constantly insist there's some grand scheme to make Azula have some flowery turnaround with her character.
I just pointed to panels in the comic that is foreshadowing Azula's redemption. Is it going to be all smiles and sunshine I don't think so but to not say they are hinting at it is ridiculous.
>And boo fucking hoo if it's insulting you. You're an attention whoring tripfag who does nothing but fawn over Azula and make it difficult for the rest of the board to even have any kind of talks involving Avatar without your dumb ass popping up EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I count the threads I have not posted in but have lurked and there have been 4 avatar/lok threads in the past week that I have not commented in that garnered a lot of posters. I don't inject myself unless I feel the need to especially a thread like this where the topic is centered on Azula.
There's not foreshadowing, mate. They aren't going to do anything grand with her. If they were, they would have mentioned something in Korra.
And it's the fact that you always appear in Azula-centric threads that proves you are shitposting. You are injecting your asinine, repetitious claims about her and just acting beyond the standards of most waifufags. Just fuck off already
>>79822474 >There's not foreshadowing, mate. They aren't going to do anything grand with her. If they were, they would have mentioned something in Korra.
But they are with this comic series. That's why she keeps getting referenced and they have a possible red herring. She is very much still a central character in the series.
>And it's the fact that you always appear in Azula-centric threads that proves you are shitposting.
Listen. I like the Avatar show but what has been discussed that hasn't already been said already? That's why I leave myself out of the threads until Azula comes around because she is still a viable character for more development.
It's because you keep appearing when she's mentioned that's the problem. Pay the fuck attention: you are a bane on any discussion involving her because your damned obsession compels you to step in and always bullshit something about her being just "misunderstood" and that she's going to have some amazing redemption.
What makes it all the more annoying is your hypocrisy; you deny that she's your waifu, and then call anyone who mentions Ty Lee, Mai, Suki, Toph, or Katara as being waifufags and listing a bunch of bullshit about them being terrible characters.
It's not an obsession it's just me stating my opinion. I'm sure there are anons that restate their opinions in Avatar threads but you wouldn't know because they are anonymous. It's easier to attack me because I have the trip on.
>What makes it all the more annoying is your hypocrisy; you deny that she's your waifu, and then call anyone who mentions Ty Lee, Mai, Suki, Toph, or Katara as being waifufags and listing a bunch of bullshit about them being terrible characters.
Because these people usually attack Azula and I ain't standing for that shit. They call he crazy when I don't think they know the meaning of the word.
Except it is an obsession. You've never been able to admit any kind of flaw concerning Azula, and you always pass off all of her problems at the feet of he parents.
>because these people attack Azula and I ain't standing for that shit
That's Obsession 101, buddy. Or as the proper diagnosis goes: Waifuism. The fact that you can't stay away from a thread where someone calls her crazy only justifies the claims that you are an obsession waifufag
>>79822643 >Except it is an obsession. You've never been able to admit any kind of flaw concerning Azula, and you always pass off all of her problems at the feet of he parents.
It's hard for me to point a flaw to a character who tortures themselves over their actions.
>That's Obsession 101, buddy. Or as the proper diagnosis goes: Waifuism. The fact that you can't stay away from a thread where someone calls her crazy only justifies the claims that you are an obsession waifufag
Except I have no love for her. I just find it awful people would gang up on a poor character like that.
>>79822707 >Except I have no love for her. Yeah I mean it's not like you've filled entire threads with lewds and cropped porn of her. And you've never viciously argued that she is the best girl across both series. Nope you've never ever done either of those things ever.
>>79831601 >perhaps trying to love her would help We have no reason to think she didn't love Azula. Actually Ursa implies in the comics that she did love Azula, but that it hadn't been enough, implying that Azula needed more than normal.
About the side thing, Azula was always wrong. She wanted family members to die so Ozai could take the throne. Normally you'd discipline her, but i guess Ursa couldn't or wasn't allowed to by Ozai.
>>79832223 >the two guys who are in charge of it all, the creators. they didn't create everything, so technically everyone is the creator. Also, there was another guy 'leading' the team. Not only that, Nick owns avatar and they can't say shit without their approval.
and scrapper is wrong regardless of what he is arguing. He is wrong by default.
She was already corrupted by her father long before Ursa left. Jesus tap dancing Christ, it's fucking obvious from the Storm episode that Ursa TRIED to be a proper mother to her, but never could reach Azula.
As it was, she didn't so much as "pick sides" as it was she simply put more effort into ensuring Zuko wouldn't wind up as fucked up as his sister and father. But no, Scrapper and you both have to blatantly ignore whatever was shown in the cartoon despite the damning evidence
So? Shit changes constantly in a cartoon, in every medium actually. There's nothing on this planet that was written from beginning to end with not a single change ever made. Even if there was by some slim chance, the creator(s) probably just never bothered mentioning what minute detail it was they altered.
>>79813588 It's been her thing in bits ever since the start. >She couldn't get Ty Lee to join her willingly so she essentially said "Come with me or I'll ruin your life" >Got legitimately pissed at her hair being off after mastering lightning. >All of Ember Island where she's the only one not to have a cathartic revelation. She agreed that her mother was right but doesn't try to fix it. The only thing she had going for her was ruling by fear, her real break down was her facing people that fear didn't work on (Father, friends, mother, potential assassins) so she realized she had no actual power against anyone that mattered.
>>79832592 So now we agree that she does say it. You just think it's ok because she doesn't like Iroh. Just because you don't like people you can't want them to die.
> She literally had nothing to gain except to save her brother. She wants to freak out Zuko. The panel shows very clearly that her "worry" isn't genuine with her sly smile after sending her mother to her father.
I don't love her I feel for her. Here you have a girl who went through most of her life putting on this facade that she is this big bad person when in the beach episode you see how she truly feels about herself. That's why she deserves a happy ending.
And you're a wacko. You post porn of her, but claim to not be interested in such things half the time when confronted about this fact. And you've insulted people even when they haven't said squat about Azula.
The moment you spoke up you hijacked it with your autismic obsession, that's the fucking problem.
And the reason it's convenient is because of your past hypocrisy in denying you enjoyed porn of her, constantly citing shit about not being into someone her age despite your constant fawning over her canon self
>>79835531 >The moment you spoke up you hijacked it with your autismic obsession, that's the fucking problem.
So you just hate me, that's it.
>And the reason it's convenient is because of your past hypocrisy in denying you enjoyed porn of her, constantly citing shit about not being into someone her age despite your constant fawning over her canon self
Anon, the pictures I have of Azula are aged up. That's why she has like giant fucking breasts and wider hips.
>Everyone hates you, because you always say the same shit and have never once contributed anything worthwhile to these threads.
Really? So How come the people who keep repeating the same reasons why Korra is shit don't get the same flack that I do? We have threads upon threads that tread the same topic but you aren't bitching about that. You hate me, we get it, so get over it.
>Oh, I'm sure she's totally "legal" looking in those pictures you fucking hypocrite.
Yeah because she totally doesn't look over 18 in pictures like this.
>>79832462 She didn't go there to alert Zuko for the purpose of potentially saving his life. She was gloating. Every word was dripping with satisfaction that she "won". With Zuko's death the throne would be hers by default. That's also why she didn't want Iroh to come back, because the throne would pass to Ozai which would make his line the royal line, of which Azulaf was a part. When this did take place, Azula immediately began plotting how to get rid of Zuko without making it an obvious 'cide.
Because nobody obsesses over Korra to the point that they think she's flawless both as a character and how she was written. Nor does anyone bullshit their way about liking her porn but say crap like "I totally wouldn't do those things with the real Korra".
And she literally looks like just a big titted version of herself in that picture. Big tits do not equate to "looking 18 or older"
>Because nobody obsesses over Korra to the point that they think she's flawless both as a character and how she was written. Nor does anyone bullshit their way about liking her porn but say crap like "I totally wouldn't do those things with the real Korra".
They do it in the reverse and dedicate 500+ posts to it actually.
>And she literally looks like just a big titted version of herself in that picture. Big tits do not equate to "looking 18 or older"
No, people actually talk about Korra and many are able to admit faults while discussion the positives the show and its lead character had. You, however, are completely incapable of saying anything negative about Azula, much less ignore anyone saying something negative. All of which only further solidify you as being obsessed with her.
And no, she looks like her regular self just with big tits slapped on. There's nothing milfy about her face.
I'd say the only exception is for certain drawfags, if only because it does make it easier to ensure you know who's the real deal and not just something misleading people. Beyond that, yea, namefags are just attention whoring little shits
>>79836411 >No, people actually talk about Korra and many are able to admit faults while discussion the positives the show and its lead character had. You, however, are completely incapable of saying anything negative about Azula, much less ignore anyone saying something negative. All of which only further solidify you as being obsessed with her.
You give the posters on LoK way to much credit. There hasn't been a discussion that didn't devolve to, although Korra shit I would still fuck her because she is delicious brown. And then they go on to post yuri of Korra and Asami.
>And no, she looks like her regular self just with big tits slapped on. There's nothing milfy about her face.
Look at her body dude. Child bearing hips and giant tits are the signs of an older woman.
Azula is an adolescent so her mind can be changed and that is in relation to whether she can be a normal person. know I can't be a "normal" person and the best thing for me is to be passive and have mutual relationships. I'm better now, I have tried to kill cats before and I found I can't do it so I have a clean bill of health.
She is broken, mate. She went fucking bonkers in the series finale. Started seeing shit that wasn't there, literally exiled everyone in the immediate vicinity, and started crying and laughing like a deranged looney after Zuko and Katara subdued her.
See this is what really pisses me off. You don't even give Azula a chance to prove herself. You just throw her in a cage and alugh at her like a monkey in the zoo while you all live out your Norman Rockwell paining of a life. So what, Azula doesn't get to be happy just because she is different? She can be a positive force if there are people there who help her.
Where do you come off with that crap? Not everyone is able to make it through life perfectly in tact. Zuko had a breakdown but is he considered broken? No. Iroh had a breakdown that changed him as a person yet no one calls him broken. Azula has a good shot as any of these characters to bounce back.
She fucking cries and laughs and tries to act like she's still in control, she was BROKEN. It's not crap, it's literally what is shown to the viewer. God damn fuck almighty, are you really this fucking incapable of seeing the writing on the wall about your fucking waifu? Seriously, the amount of crap you ignore is astounding sometimes.
And no, Zuko never had any breakdown. He was in a rut during season 1, began to reevaluate his life in season 2 but fucked up the last step to change himself. And then finally made the complete change in season 3.
Also, where did Iroh breakdown? If you mean emotionally when his son died, that wasn't the same thing. He wasn't rendered a broken man, just someone greatly humbled by the horrible pain of loss.
Azula isn't a toy for you to call her broken. And breakdowns are not the same for everybody. You act as if a breakdown looks exactly like Azula's and it's not. The severity of the breakdown varies from person to person with the common theme of the brain breaking down it's process of thinking. Yes Azula's was a bit more server than the others but it is perfectly normal for someone to go through this especially under the conditions she was under and it certainly doesn't make her broken. And stop calling her my waifu.
Who is calling her a toy? What Azula went through was a complete mental breakdown you fucking imbecile. Iroh and Zuko never had anything nearly as traumatic. One lost a son, but learned from the loss and bettered himself as a parental figure for his nephew, who in turn realized that the concepts of honor and acknowledgement mean nothing unless you have self-worth, amongst many other lessons.
And she is your goddamn waifu because your constant white knighting of her proves you as a waifuing retarded idiot.
Literally anyone could have said she'd redeem herself if she does indeed continue making comic appearances. What you're wrong about is all the bullshit of her being tragic, misunderstood person who was just trapped under a bad exterior or whatever the fuck.
Nothing. She brought everything on herself. She refused to listen to her mother. She made her brother miserable and eventually even tried to kill him numerous times. Her friends were only "loyal" because they were scared shitless of her. And she failed to carry out the simple task her father had set for her because foolishly abused her power to banish people
Do you ever, EVER get tired of having these fucking arguments every single time we have an Azula/Avatar thread.
This is beyond mental. You are like a fucking fly on shit. We can't have Avatar threads any more without you showing up and turning them into a shitfest. Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bug you that you're nearly uniformly hated?
That's only her assumption about her father. Ozai cared about his family, long as they were loyal to him. If he truly had no care for her, he wouldn't have put in such a position of power. Had Zuko not gone traitor, he could have launched a conflict within the kingdom, demoralizing the entire fire nation as they hear their homeland is in disarray
That's not true at all. Her entire conversation with her mother is based on her warped perception of herself. In the comics when she finds her mother she rants about how she had another daughter to replace the other one who is a monster.
I''m going to be honest right now I'm pretty drunk right now so I think this is a credible argument. Azula had the power but realized it was worthless because she doesn't have anyone to share it with. Take this scene for example.
You see how she is confused. She doesn't know anything when it comes to love and that's what's eating her up inside.
>>79848191 >And what you don't think Azula isn't learning form this experience? If she were to come back in the next comic a changed woman would you still be calling her broken? You bitch nigga you told everybody that in Smoke and Shadow that Azula would get the redemption she's been searching for.
You're just going to keep saying every goddamn comic saying "look Azula's going to prove she a gud girl dindu nuffin" and when a broken clock ends up being right, you'll go "see I told everyone".
>>79856108 >You're just going to keep saying every goddamn comic saying "look Azula's going to prove she a gud girl dindu nuffin" and when a broken clock ends up being right, you'll go "see I told everyone".
Good Lord why do people continue to engage Scrapper? All you'll ever get is a circular argument comprised entirely of logical fallacies and headcanons. Just don't respond, or better yet, learn to filter.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the shown content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows their content, archived. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content, then use the post's [Report] link! If a post is not removed within 24h contact me at email@example.com with the post's information.