Technically Bojack for getting himself in this mess in the first place. Like the moment he decided he would live with his lost love's family for months on end. In this particular moment, he was in the right for having a sit down talk with the daughter.
Nobody was "at fault" since a legal thing happened between two consenting adults
Although Charlotte was completely responsible for enabling bojack and also for ruining the party and also if she just talked to bojack instead of fucking off at the funeral because she couldn't even spare twenty minutes
>>79782119 Bojack. In New Mexico statutes exist under which prosecutors might seek to deal with him.
>(1) on a child thirteen to eighteen years of age when the perpetrator is in a position of authority over the child and uses this authority to coerce the child to submit;
There are various degrees of Felony here - depending on the level of sexual activity. What you're looking at in the OP image is a fourth degree felony because Bojack is living with the family and was specifically entrusted with chaperoning Penny Moore to prom by her parents' consent. He then took her friends drinking (unlawfully), proceeding to pressure both Penny and her other friends into concealing his involvement, demonstrating his willingness to corrupt, entice and coerce minors - Penny's claim that 17 "is the legal age of consent in New Mexico" is correct, but not in the specific circumstance she and Bojack find themselves.
Additional testimony from Charlotte Moore would reveal that Bojack had discussed a night shared with herself and Herb Kazzazz three decades previous, which he had spent the evening of Penny Moore's high school prom specifically re-enacting key events from; he then made a sexual advance to Charlotte Moore on returning from the prom, and, on being rebuffed, elected not to reject the sexual advances of Penny Moore, whom he had spent the entire night grooming in preparation for the act or as a "standby" should his advances to Charlotte Moore fail.
Whether he himself understood his intentions, the fact is - when he failed to eject Penny Moore from his boat, he went from Bad Chaperone (and accessory to a number of other crimes more clearly depicted, that he clearly understood were crimes) to sexual predator, because he was in a position of trust and authority over Penny Moore at the time of their sexual contact.
>>79782469 This. Honestly it doesn't matter that Bojack "never grew up" he's still unbelievably way too motherfucking old to seriously think he can hang out with teenagers and possibly fuck one. He gets no pity on this one. Anyone else wanted the cops called and he was arrested for real and processed through the system and then he wastes a fortune on getting cleared and he becomes poorer and because he's poor now he has to take whatever work he gets seriously?
It would have been a good arc for S3 because Bojack dodging the consequences was just shit.
I was always waiting for that but no, Mr pb is the only one who wasted his cash. Despite not working in 30 years bojack apparently made out well enough to coast despite buying restaurants and shit and now with the book and movie he's probably better off than ever
Anyway hope penny hits 18 and shows up in LA to fuck up bojacks mood worse
>>79783418 He was not in a position of authority over her. He wasn't even her chaperone. He was her date. And he didn't corrupt Penny. She corrupted him by pressuring him to conceal her hit and run using her mother as leverage. Bojack is still morally at fault for betraying Charlotte's trust, though.
They're both at fault, but neither of them is strictly wrong. Penny made her choice despite being dissuaded the first time - that's enough to make her culpable - and Bojack went against his moral obligation not to fuck the family up. It's the sort of thing that if it happens should remain a shameful secret, like a drunken hookup with a girl/boy who's on a break with their boyfriend/girlfriend who's your friend.
>>79789223 You sound like adults never fuck up or make bad decisions.
90% of people lose their virginity before turning 18. I'm sorry you are in those 10%.
But more seriously, what magical psychological bullshit happens, according to you, when you turn 18? Do you really think a person 17 years and 11 months is a child but one month later he/she is magically a responsible adult who can fuck around, vote, join the army and kill people, but cannot be yet trusted to drink beer?
It's an arbitrary rule. Some grow up fast and are fully aware of their decisions by the age of 15, some turn into 40 tears old manchildren virgins.
In this episode, he: >gave alcohol to underaged children >encouraged those children to drink to excess >one child ended up going to the hospital and Bojack prioritised covering his own ass
He's a manchild. I can understand letting kids have a drink or two on prom night (fuck, I've did a shot with my son's friends), but there's a huge difference between letting teenagers have a little fun and encouraging potentially dangerous behaviour. The line is sometimes blurry, but it is absolutely clear here.
Futhermore, you should never have sex with someone that much younger than you or someone you have a position of authority over (Bojack was an adult living in her home who had a close relationship with her parents). People arguing about fucking legal status are missing the point.
Penny wanted to be treated like an adult, but she wasn't one. She was smart, and growing up, but she wasn't an adult.
The fact people actually justify Bojack frightens me.
>>79784309 Death of the Author just means you can create valid meaning from sanitary interpretations of the work but it does not discount the actual intentions of the author, you moron. You can compare and contrast them but that does not mean one is more valid than the other. If anything it's just a form of writing criticism. But stupid college plebes like you will take it to mean "I can make up whatever headcannon I can and that means its the real interpretation". Its the shittiest thing to happen in literature.
>>79790088 >Michigan >cultural wasteland >fucking Motown >the goddamn manufacturing center central to car culture for decades until American car manufacturing shit the bed with the rest of corporate America Fucking NYCucks and Calicucks thinking your shit states are the center of all culture just because you have the most kikes.
No one's at fault, you prudes. They're two consenting adults. Who are you to tell someone that it's wrong to sleep with someone who sees you as a surrogate for your mother? The law says she has the capacity to consent, but you say your authority is higher?
Though if Bojack wanted to have a continued relationship with Charlotte then he sure done fucked up.
>>79792458 I get the authority thing, but I'm honestly not much different mentally to how I was a decade ago. Legally, if its ok the biggest issue here is how icky the situation is socially, which is a matter to be sorted out by the people affected by it. In that sense, its bad, and without question her parents would be justified in kicking him out and stopping him from contacting, but it wouldn't necessarily be morally reprehensible in the case that they approved and were willing to deal with the consequences of that.
It's not every adult's responsibility to be every young adult's parents. That's the actual parents job. They fucked up not kicking bojack to the curb, letting him take her to prom, etc. They're supposed to circumscribe everything she does, bracing her for the decisions she's going to have to make in a year or two, with basically the same character as she has now. Most of her character will be formed when she either rejects/accepts this preparation. The truth is you don't start making adult decisions as an adult: you have to enter the world of adulthood first to understand consequences. That's why the friend who lives in mom's garage isn't really an adult: they've never been responsible for themselves. That's why fathers are often much more mature than bachelors.
There's nothing wrong with Bojack or anybody else fucking 16 - 18 year olds if they're not coercing them. Penny came on to Bojack, was rejected, came on again. It's not pretty, but there's clear consent there. He's not wielding his authority, there's no or else, or any suggestion that this is what's best for her. Bojack approaches her as something like senior in the college she's going to, not as an adult man. The problem was that he's betraying the family he was becoming a part of. It's really sad that Bojack is so stunted that at his age he can approach her as an equal.
>>79795512 I should say "as something close to an equal." And by adult man I mean adult man in the way we use the word adult man when we're talking about a 50yr old father who's worked a job for thirty years, brought up a family, etc.
Bojack is what happens when somebody stops having external problems at like 25. His mental age is effectively that, though he's a bit weirder because he's been around longer. If he was fucking a college freshmen and he was a senior it'd be basically the same.
>>79785802 >He was not in a position of authority over her. He wasn't even her chaperone.
It was literally agreed to by Charlotte's permission in same episode. Clearly, her later reaction to his potential exploitation of her daughter makes it impossible that she thought Bojack, a 50-something, was being given permission to date her daughter, a 17 year old.
>And he didn't corrupt Penny.
New Mexico law disagrees, but we're not just talking about Penny.
Bojack encouraged three teenagers to drink, to trespass, and to conceal his involvement in their crimes. He supplied alcohol to them. He knowingly deposited an unconscious, intoxicated and incapable minor at a hospital along with another minor, whom Bojack intimidated into concealing Bojack's part in their crimes. This demonstrates a clear understanding not only of his crimes to that point of the evening, but that the penalties for those crimes would be serious and that he was therefore attempting to avoid said penalties. It's as clear a sign of guilt as any jury would need to convict.
>>79795854 Under New Mexico law and in this specific context, yes they are.
This was decided by the lawfully elected representatives of the people of New Mexico and is therefore the standard of that community. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't change the facts.
>It's really funny watching faggots move out of California. It rarely goes well for them.
Protip: Don't move to New Mexico, you don't know anything about the people there.
>>79791348 Most of them make those bad decisions with other minors. The law of New Mexico recognizes and makes allowance for that fact, but seeks to punish predatory older sexual partners - which is why it draws a clear distinction about positions of responsibility and trust.
Since the rest of your argument is based on an imaginary strawman, it isn't worth rebutting your specific points as they don't intersect with the issue here.
She'd be eaten alive but not in the way you think. Because she's an pretty ingenue she'd end up getting a second-rate waitress job or a dead-end retail job pretty easily and then she'd be carved one slice at a time by people pettiness, entitledness, rudeness, and vulgarity.
She would probably end up either a stoner or a drunk because she's consorting with other food service people. She also has a shot at a coke addiction, especially since she parties and that shit is rampant back of house.
In a year or two she'd harden the fuck up and become a bartender or move up to higher class places because she's hot.
Or she'd land gracefully, in an internship, end up a P.A, and be pretty happy if a little stressed, and mildly harassed by film-nerd-hipster/glam-trash types that accumulate in the middle to low ranks of the biz.
>>79784927 >Despite not working in 30 years bojack apparently made out well enough to coast despite buying restaurants and shit and now with the book and movie he's probably better off than ever It looks like Horsin' Around reached syndication, which should mean Bojack gets a paycheck anytime anyone airs their show, which considering his exploits and its popularity at the time, means each time he's in the public spotlight, some channel shows reruns and Bojack gets cashflow. Not to mention whatever endorsement deals he must've cashed in on, I mean hey, he's the horse from Horsin' Around!
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