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Who was at fault here?
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Bojack.
He's like 50 and should know better but doesn't because he never grew up.
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Bojack.
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Technically Bojack for getting himself in this mess in the first place. Like the moment he decided he would live with his lost love's family for months on end. In this particular moment, he was in the right for having a sit down talk with the daughter.
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no one here really believes he was hooking up with her do they?
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>>79782119

Nobody was "at fault" since a legal thing happened between two consenting adults

Although Charlotte was completely responsible for enabling bojack and also for ruining the party and also if she just talked to bojack instead of fucking off at the funeral because she couldn't even spare twenty minutes
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>>79782628
I don't, but that probably won't be revealed until the next season.
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>>79782576
>having a sit down talk with the daughter.

Suuure.
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>>79782119
The deer's waist is beyond fucking broken.
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>>79782726

...Actually, yeah, that pose makes no sense. The way her feet are positioned would give the impression that we are seeing her from behind, but her torso is facing the camera.
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The writers who didn't have her take her dress off.
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>>79782685
are you really blaming Charlotte in all this? It's nto her fault Bojack is the way he is. Bojack is.
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>>79783204

You don't get pregnant if you leave the skirt on
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>>79782119
Bojack. In New Mexico statutes exist under which prosecutors might seek to deal with him.

>(1) on a child thirteen to eighteen years of age when the perpetrator is in a position of authority over the child and uses this authority to coerce the child to submit;

There are various degrees of Felony here - depending on the level of sexual activity. What you're looking at in the OP image is a fourth degree felony because Bojack is living with the family and was specifically entrusted with chaperoning Penny Moore to prom by her parents' consent. He then took her friends drinking (unlawfully), proceeding to pressure both Penny and her other friends into concealing his involvement, demonstrating his willingness to corrupt, entice and coerce minors - Penny's claim that 17 "is the legal age of consent in New Mexico" is correct, but not in the specific circumstance she and Bojack find themselves.

Additional testimony from Charlotte Moore would reveal that Bojack had discussed a night shared with herself and Herb Kazzazz three decades previous, which he had spent the evening of Penny Moore's high school prom specifically re-enacting key events from; he then made a sexual advance to Charlotte Moore on returning from the prom, and, on being rebuffed, elected not to reject the sexual advances of Penny Moore, whom he had spent the entire night grooming in preparation for the act or as a "standby" should his advances to Charlotte Moore fail.

Whether he himself understood his intentions, the fact is - when he failed to eject Penny Moore from his boat, he went from Bad Chaperone (and accessory to a number of other crimes more clearly depicted, that he clearly understood were crimes) to sexual predator, because he was in a position of trust and authority over Penny Moore at the time of their sexual contact.
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>>79782769
>>79782726
Guys, how do deer hind legs work...
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>>79783418
ok
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>>79782685
A 16 year old can not consent to to fucking a 50 year old. Not that Eurotrash like yourself knows what consent yes.
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>>79783418

not to boogeyman but this looks like an actually post literally pulled from the bjoack subreddit
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>>79782628
The creator of the show does.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/bojack-horseman-season-two-raphael-bob-waksberg.html
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>>79783418

thanks for having a seat sir
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>>79783741
Who cares what he says?
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bojack

iirc the creator of the show even said he wouldn't put it past him or something like that
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>>79783586
17 year old in New Mexico where 17 is legal
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>>79782119
Society.
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>>79783883
>appealing to immoral laws
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>>79783741
>So, what are my predictions for season three? It's that everyone's going to hate it because it's not like season two, or everyone's going to hate it because it's just like season two.
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>>79783828
>it's not my fanfiction, therefore the creator is WRONG!
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>>79784175
Who cares what your fanfiction says either?
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>>79783741
>>79783846

death of the author, faggots
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>>79784309
>death of the author
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>>79782469
This. Honestly it doesn't matter that Bojack "never grew up" he's still unbelievably way too motherfucking old to seriously think he can hang out with teenagers and possibly fuck one. He gets no pity on this one. Anyone else wanted the cops called and he was arrested for real and processed through the system and then he wastes a fortune on getting cleared and he becomes poorer and because he's poor now he has to take whatever work he gets seriously?

It would have been a good arc for S3 because Bojack dodging the consequences was just shit.
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>>79784003
But they are laws. Laws can never be wrong.
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>>79782685
>two consenting adults
>two
>charlotte
>adult
Okay.
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>>79784676
Hasn't he already spent almost all of his money? I don't think being poor is gonna make him take his work any more seriously.
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>>79784785

I was always waiting for that but no, Mr pb is the only one who wasted his cash. Despite not working in 30 years bojack apparently made out well enough to coast despite buying restaurants and shit and now with the book and movie he's probably better off than ever

Anyway hope penny hits 18 and shows up in LA to fuck up bojacks mood worse
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>>79783418
He was not in a position of authority over her. He wasn't even her chaperone. He was her date. And he didn't corrupt Penny. She corrupted him by pressuring him to conceal her hit and run using her mother as leverage. Bojack is still morally at fault for betraying Charlotte's trust, though.
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>>79782119
the mom
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They're both at fault, but neither of them is strictly wrong. Penny made her choice despite being dissuaded the first time - that's enough to make her culpable - and Bojack went against his moral obligation not to fuck the family up. It's the sort of thing that if it happens should remain a shameful secret, like a drunken hookup with a girl/boy who's on a break with their boyfriend/girlfriend who's your friend.
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>>79782119

The father for not kicking out bojack at the first breakfast table meeting after seeing how thirsty he was for his wife
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>>79787900

probably was a cuck waiting for him to make a move
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>>79783586
16 years is legal in Michigan
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>>79788863
They also drink poisoned water and live in a frozen Mad Max world.
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>>79785802
there are differences between adults and children

you would understand this if you were not a child
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>>79784785
No. Bojack has his own restaurant, has a best selling book, still gets royalty from his show, and money from the movie.

He's still well off.
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>>79788863
Michigan bros for life.
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>>79782119
the hack of a writer that wrote this shit
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>>79782119
>barely any r34 of these two
why?
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>>79782119
>Who was at fault here?

Anyone retarded enough to not see it coming.
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>>79788863
>flyover cultural wasteland states
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>>79784309
>death of the author
Literally the most retarded idea to ever pop into anyone's head.
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>>79782119
Everybody.

Charlotte for leading Bojack on and not telling him to go home sooner.

Bojack for being a weak-willed faggot.

Penny for being a dumb teenager and not considering the potential consequences of her actions.
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>>79790088
>Waaah there are people in the world who don't live in California
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>>79783586
>A 16 year old can not consent

Only in the shitty states.

Why do people in Commiefornia always act like their rules are universal?
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>>79783586
Its fucking great to live in a country where a 14 year old can consent.

Europe, fuck yeah!
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>>79782119
Bojack. No question.
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>>79787833
This.

Bojack rejected her advances multiple times, and yet she still kept coming back.

Yeah he's at fault, but they were both pretty vulnerable at that time.
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>>79789223
You sound like adults never fuck up or make bad decisions.

90% of people lose their virginity before turning 18. I'm sorry you are in those 10%.

But more seriously, what magical psychological bullshit happens, according to you, when you turn 18? Do you really think a person 17 years and 11 months is a child but one month later he/she is magically a responsible adult who can fuck around, vote, join the army and kill people, but cannot be yet trusted to drink beer?

It's an arbitrary rule. Some grow up fast and are fully aware of their decisions by the age of 15, some turn into 40 tears old manchildren virgins.
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>>79784676
>Anyone else wanted the cops called and he was arrested for real

I think most of us paid enough attention to realize she was over the age of consent.
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>>79784771
She was over the age of consent
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Penny.

She was pretty much asking for it. Penny is a young adult and she should have known that it is wrong to manipulate older men into having sex with you in order to ruin their lives.
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Gee, who was at fault? Was it the person who kep demanding sex over and over or the person who didn't say know enough times?
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>>79784927
Penny'd be eaten alive by LA.
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>>79783586
They can over here in New Jersey.
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Bojack. A thousand times, Bojack.

In this episode, he:
>gave alcohol to underaged children
>encouraged those children to drink to excess
>one child ended up going to the hospital and Bojack prioritised covering his own ass

He's a manchild. I can understand letting kids have a drink or two on prom night (fuck, I've did a shot with my son's friends), but there's a huge difference between letting teenagers have a little fun and encouraging potentially dangerous behaviour. The line is sometimes blurry, but it is absolutely clear here.

Futhermore, you should never have sex with someone that much younger than you or someone you have a position of authority over (Bojack was an adult living in her home who had a close relationship with her parents). People arguing about fucking legal status are missing the point.

Penny wanted to be treated like an adult, but she wasn't one. She was smart, and growing up, but she wasn't an adult.

The fact people actually justify Bojack frightens me.
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>>79792458
I was just pointing out that it's legal in my state, I never said what he did was okay.
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>>79784309
Death of the Author just means you can create valid meaning from sanitary interpretations of the work but it does not discount the actual intentions of the author, you moron. You can compare and contrast them but that does not mean one is more valid than the other. If anything it's just a form of writing criticism.
But stupid college plebes like you will take it to mean "I can make up whatever headcannon I can and that means its the real interpretation".
Its the shittiest thing to happen in literature.
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>>79782119

Bojack

>B-B-But it's legal th-tho

You don't come to your friend who you tried to fuck's house, agree to chaperon her teenage daughter to a prom and then try to fuck her behind her back.

Regardless of whether or not it's legal, that's a major dick move. If any of you had friends or anything resembling empathy for other human beings, you'd agree.
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>>79790088
>Michigan
>cultural wasteland
>fucking Motown
>the goddamn manufacturing center central to car culture for decades until American car manufacturing shit the bed with the rest of corporate America
Fucking NYCucks and Calicucks thinking your shit states are the center of all culture just because you have the most kikes.
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Anyone who says Penny was at fault is a RAPIST!
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No one's at fault, you prudes. They're two consenting adults. Who are you to tell someone that it's wrong to sleep with someone who sees you as a surrogate for your mother? The law says she has the capacity to consent, but you say your authority is higher?

Though if Bojack wanted to have a continued relationship with Charlotte then he sure done fucked up.
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>>79783586
16 in in WA state
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>>79792458
I get the authority thing, but I'm honestly not much different mentally to how I was a decade ago. Legally, if its ok the biggest issue here is how icky the situation is socially, which is a matter to be sorted out by the people affected by it. In that sense, its bad, and without question her parents would be justified in kicking him out and stopping him from contacting, but it wouldn't necessarily be morally reprehensible in the case that they approved and were willing to deal with the consequences of that.
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>>79784676
He didn't originally intend to fuck any of them.
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>>79784676
can anyone explain to me how bojack is to blame for going to prom with her, but her parents are not to blame for supporting it?
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>>79792458

It's not every adult's responsibility to be every young adult's parents. That's the actual parents job. They fucked up not kicking bojack to the curb, letting him take her to prom, etc. They're supposed to circumscribe everything she does, bracing her for the decisions she's going to have to make in a year or two, with basically the same character as she has now. Most of her character will be formed when she either rejects/accepts this preparation. The truth is you don't start making adult decisions as an adult: you have to enter the world of adulthood first to understand consequences. That's why the friend who lives in mom's garage isn't really an adult: they've never been responsible for themselves. That's why fathers are often much more mature than bachelors.

There's nothing wrong with Bojack or anybody else fucking 16 - 18 year olds if they're not coercing them. Penny came on to Bojack, was rejected, came on again. It's not pretty, but there's clear consent there. He's not wielding his authority, there's no or else, or any suggestion that this is what's best for her. Bojack approaches her as something like senior in the college she's going to, not as an adult man. The problem was that he's betraying the family he was becoming a part of. It's really sad that Bojack is so stunted that at his age he can approach her as an equal.
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>>79795512
I should say "as something close to an equal." And by adult man I mean adult man in the way we use the word adult man when we're talking about a 50yr old father who's worked a job for thirty years, brought up a family, etc.

Bojack is what happens when somebody stops having external problems at like 25. His mental age is effectively that, though he's a bit weirder because he's been around longer. If he was fucking a college freshmen and he was a senior it'd be basically the same.
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No judge would have let bojack off the hook if charlotte had taken this to court.
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>>79789223
A 17 year old is not a child.

You would understand that if you weren't so damn eager to put the whole world in a cage for its own protection.

>>79791185
Superiority complex.

It's really funny watching faggots move out of California. It rarely goes well for them.

>>79793089
Fucking thank you.

>>79795580
That says absolutely nothing given how fucked the handling of any kind of vague sex crime in America is.
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>>79790088
>Contains two former keystones of american culture
>Isn't a commie infested piece of shit

Michigan just needs to nuke Detroit/Flint and be best state.
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>>79782119
Everyone.

Bojack for giving in and following his dick.

Charlotte for enabling the obviously mentally distraught Bojack for months on end.

Charlotte's daughter for being a dumb bimbo and pursuing a sexual relationship with someone not only way too old for her, but who has been living as a member of the family for months.
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>>79783586
top quality b8 m8
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>>79795854
>A 17 year old is not a child.
Yes it is. You'd understand that if you weren't from a third world shit hole under sharia law.
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>>79785802
>He was not in a position of authority over her. He wasn't even her chaperone.

It was literally agreed to by Charlotte's permission in same episode. Clearly, her later reaction to his potential exploitation of her daughter makes it impossible that she thought Bojack, a 50-something, was being given permission to date her daughter, a 17 year old.

>And he didn't corrupt Penny.

New Mexico law disagrees, but we're not just talking about Penny.

Bojack encouraged three teenagers to drink, to trespass, and to conceal his involvement in their crimes. He supplied alcohol to them. He knowingly deposited an unconscious, intoxicated and incapable minor at a hospital along with another minor, whom Bojack intimidated into concealing Bojack's part in their crimes. This demonstrates a clear understanding not only of his crimes to that point of the evening, but that the penalties for those crimes would be serious and that he was therefore attempting to avoid said penalties. It's as clear a sign of guilt as any jury would need to convict.

>>79795854
Under New Mexico law and in this specific context, yes they are.

This was decided by the lawfully elected representatives of the people of New Mexico and is therefore the standard of that community. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't change the facts.

>It's really funny watching faggots move out of California. It rarely goes well for them.

Protip: Don't move to New Mexico, you don't know anything about the people there.

>>79791348
Most of them make those bad decisions with other minors. The law of New Mexico recognizes and makes allowance for that fact, but seeks to punish predatory older sexual partners - which is why it draws a clear distinction about positions of responsibility and trust.

Since the rest of your argument is based on an imaginary strawman, it isn't worth rebutting your specific points as they don't intersect with the issue here.
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>>79791675

Given the general themes of the show I wouldn't put it past them to show what happens to her when she jumps In with the sharks.
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>>79782119

Undeniably it was Princess Caroline's fault for not driving over to NM and getting bojack to go back to work
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>>79791675

Longtime L.A resident here.

She'd be eaten alive but not in the way you think. Because she's an pretty ingenue she'd end up getting a second-rate waitress job or a dead-end retail job pretty easily and then she'd be carved one slice at a time by people pettiness, entitledness, rudeness, and vulgarity.

She would probably end up either a stoner or a drunk because she's consorting with other food service people. She also has a shot at a coke addiction, especially since she parties and that shit is rampant back of house.

In a year or two she'd harden the fuck up and become a bartender or move up to higher class places because she's hot.

Or she'd land gracefully, in an internship, end up a P.A, and be pretty happy if a little stressed, and mildly harassed by film-nerd-hipster/glam-trash types that accumulate in the middle to low ranks of the biz.
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>>79792743
>car "culture"
>lowest common denominator populist garbage
>focused entirely on consumption
>died in the 60's after a decade of people realizing it had no substance.

at least you have Michigan's natural beauty and friendly population :^)
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>>79782119
I just want in S3 to crash at BoJo's house after getting into some massive argument with her mother

Dickings are optional
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>>79783204

thank god for fanart
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>>79782119

Society, society was always at fault
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>>79799614
It's kinda shit. She looks really weird in the whole thing
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>>79789956
There's barely any porn of the show, period. People either feel too sad, like the characters too much, or aren't furries. .
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>>79801884

And yet it looks as good as the show's art.
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Penny is a shit and a slut.

Mia is best girl.
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Damn this show for making me kind of want to fuck an owl

>>79802008
>>79802020
>>79802030
>>79802050
and a deer
>>79802072
and a mouse
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>>79802763
I want to watch and steal ideas from cheesy 80's schlock with Wanda
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>>79801950
>skipping the saddest part
>the fact that the 34 that exists is almost all Bojack/Mr. Peanutbutter

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>79802763
I truly wish I could post that one pic of her and bojack fucking doggystyle.

>she turns her head all the way around and bojack is all "can you not?"
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>>79802763

Wanda was the best girl.

And at the end of the day, all this is Bojack's fault for letting Diane stay at his place, or at least letting her drag him into her cycle of self-destruction.
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>>79784927
>Despite not working in 30 years bojack apparently made out well enough to coast despite buying restaurants and shit and now with the book and movie he's probably better off than ever
It looks like Horsin' Around reached syndication, which should mean Bojack gets a paycheck anytime anyone airs their show, which considering his exploits and its popularity at the time, means each time he's in the public spotlight, some channel shows reruns and Bojack gets cashflow. Not to mention whatever endorsement deals he must've cashed in on, I mean hey, he's the horse from Horsin' Around!
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>>79782119
Bojack. Shoulda locked the door and killed the light.
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>>79799614
Looks like Wildwulf/Danger Doberman. Source?
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>>79806282
A+ smut artist recognition friendo
Danger Doberman apparently
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bimp
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post mia
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>>79792458
>Bojack prioritised covering his own ass

Oh please, as if you wouldn't do the same.
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>>79802020
Oh god I hope we see more of that mouse chick. She seems like an interesting foil for Todd.

That and she's fucking hot.
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>>79792458
this
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>>79782119

You, for sticking with such a shit, go-nowhere show for so long.
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>>79802763
>ftw there was no explicit art of her, so you had to draw it yourself

Life is suffering
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do you think he will be back next season?
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NEXT SEASON WHEN
I miss the Bojack threads
we had some good times back in august
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>>79793251
>but I'm honestly not much different mentally to how I was a decade ago

That's probably your own problem.

Also a lie, you wanna feel young or you regret your experiences weren't satisfying, but you sure as fuck aren't as flooded with hormones and unable to even conceive a long term.
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>>79782119
You
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>>79797930
>implying she wouldn't fuck her way through bojack directly into a P.A. position on a second rate show
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