I just want to know whose side everyone on this board is on, I'm going to take a tally and see where /co/ stands by the end of this thread.
Neutral or indifferent is a legitimate allowed position
A strawpoll might be to your advantage, helps cut down on same fagging.
Cap all the way, though every trailer seems to reveal more about the Bucky situation. Before it seemed he was being charged with an attack he didn't commit so a death squad is clearly out of line. However, in the Super Bowl spot it's clear he's still under some Hydra control which muddies the waters a bit.
Even 616 Cap agreed to euthanize Nuke himself if his mind couldn't be fixed. Bucky might just be a case of "too little, too late" and needs to be put down.
>tfw there are people on this board who agree with Iron Man
Come on, know one knows the full situation from the trailers but based on their track record Cap is the most credible person in tje MCU and Iron Man is among the least credible.
Cap's a bro, Tony's a dick. If the movie didn't have Captain America right there in the title I could see there being two sides, but as it is how is there even a question?
Thor 3 is a buddy cop movie in Asgard.
HYDRA. They are probably spending the whole movie laughing their asses of as their enemies fight each other because of one of their former assassins. They couldn't have done it better if they planned that shit.
I'm team Tony, even though I know they will be painted as the bad side.
I support registration, and bucky needs to be held accountable for his crimes. If he is truly innocent he could have turned himself into custody peacefully and debriefed them on the mind control or whatever. Also, cinematic tony has been shit on enough.
>Be Captain America
>Be the pinnacle of American Ethics and Morality
>Be sworn to defending what's right, as defined by the Constitution, by the Law, by standards that were created by our founding fathers.
>My friend doesn't want to go through Due Process
>Attack my coworkers and my government so that my friend won't be found guilty
Cap would probably vote Clinton, shame.
They've spelled it out pretty clearly that he'll be executed on sight.
It's pretty retarded how Hawkeye was instantly forgiven for being controlled by Loki, Hulk for leveling Johannesburg, Scarlet Witch for helping Ultron, and Iron Man for creating Ultron.
Spider-Man has a hyphen.
Ant-Man has a hyphen.
Iron Man does not.
Well here's the tricky thing about Iron Man and Cap's positions, it's not like Iron Man's stance is "Put Bucky to death." Cap might be against super heroes working for the government, but that isn't what he's fighting against.
Iron Man, presumably, just thinks government oversight is needed while Cap is defending Bucky's right to a trial.
People keep talking about gun control allegories, and maybe that's valid, but I think this movie has a lot more to do with trials and labeling people 'enemy combatants' so you can execute them.
I blame the directors. They had to have known that people wanted iron man in further movies, yet they had him retire twice basically. They plan this shit out years in advance, yet decide to end IR3 with "I don't need to be ironman anymore" only to start off AoU with "So I'm back to being ironman because reasons"
Bucky has hardly done himself any favors. Such as staying as a vigilante and killing presidents. Shooting ironman and killing war machine are also kinda morally questionable. But whatever, cap vouches for him so slap him on the wrist.
Nuke is kind if different though he was already a messed up person even before the pills and despite all of that Steve still tried to help him, in the MCU Steve hasn't even had the chance to try and help Bucky.
Not to mention Bucky in the comics had the benefit of the Cosmic cube fixing his mind something MCU Bucky doesn't have.
As far as the MCU goes, Vision isn't a moral being. He is on "life's side". He probably thinks more government control would result in more life or better security of it. It's up to you if you think that's morally correct or not. Personally, I think even if though it's riskier, freedom is more important to living a good life than security.
But this is the MCU not the comics, and the Russos said that they weren't going to do the registration act shtick and that the main beef with the two sides was going to be mlre personal.
I am guessing it will revolve around Bucky, especially since it looks like Steve is willing to go along with the accords and Tony's side but Bucky being in danger will change that.
Ross hid information from Banner, he also experimented on people before Banner was on board not to mention he created the Abomination and then got his project closed because the Government didn’t want to catch shit from his fuckups.
>what are arcs
Cap went from government boy to resisting big government.
Tony went from 'fuck the government' to working for them.
Each movie they appeared in has been part of this reversal of positions.
You're one of those "if Snowden really thinks he's in the right he should stay in America and allow himself to get buttfucked by a corrupt justice system" retards aren't you? There's no honor in answering for your crimes when the people you'd be answering to aren't going to give you due process.
That's where ya dun goofed. It's been made clear Bucky isn't going to get a fair trial, or any trial at all. He is running from summary execution by a kill squad. For crimes committed while under mind control. If that carries a death sentence than hulk and hawkeye should be executed too.
How do you expect to be morally correct if you can't even be factually correct?
Well no. Cap trusted the military to make him into whatever he needed to be to do good and help the country. That's quite a bit different than trusting some shady fellow to help further your own selfish desires.
Not just Hydra but Thunderbolt Ross who experimemted on terrorists and prisoners to perfect the super soldier serum and he was responsible for Blonsky turning into the Abomination (whom he wanted to free and push on the Avengers as a team member) .
Then you got the World Council which was willing to nuke New York during the Chitauri Invasion and on TWS they alomg wotj SHIELD got owned really badly by Pierce and HYDRA
And the Government had a Vice President who was alloed with a terrorist and that one Senator who was also HYDRA.
None of those people want Bucky to get a trial or to get help of any kind, they want to either get rid of him because he's causing them trouble or to use him as a weapon.
They are also most likely manipulating Tony and his Avengers team since in one of the suppose leaks
Ross tells Tony that he eitheir brings Cap and his people in or they put them all down
And in turn Zemo and HYDRA are manipulating them all.
I don't fucking fault Steve of being wary of all of them especially since he already had to clean up a SHIELD World Council fuck up and HYDRA take over and deal with Tony's Ultron fuck up, and he most likely will have to beat HYDRA a third time and clean up someone else's fuck up except that this time he might be the one to end up paying for it.
If he was dying they wouldn't show that in the trailer, he most likely is out cold or at worst seriously hurt and is just serving as motivation to make things more personal for Tony.
I still don't understand why Widow isn't with Steve.
Their whole relationship in Winter Soldier was them growing to trust each other and develop a measure of friendship, and Widow ended that movie in the most anti-authoritarian manner imaginable.
>Give yourself to the government to undergo an experiment where the only living subject is a disfigured freak whose mind has been permanently warped all so you can help the country and do what's right
>Learn that a branch of the already corrupt government you've been working for has actually been literally nazis this whole time and now they want to register people and kill your friend who was mind controlled the last 70 years
Nice try though
Let's not forget Cap tries to play ball with the government at first and Ross tries to throw him in jail the first chance he gets, that Bucky is framed for a bombing targeting the United Nations just as they approve the Accords and has a kill order conveniently placed, that Stark himself thinks Ross is bullshit and that fucking Zemo is one of the Registration's figureheads.
Cap is right.
>Not pursuing perfection
>Not staying loyal to the tenets of freedom and self-determination despite the fact that they were made up from the start
>Not standing up for the rights of others
Cry more, pinko. Cap is standing up for what he believes in. You are free to do the same. That's what makes America the best goddamn country on the face of God's green Earth.
The fact that you don't understand >>79698693 speaks volumes of the simple fact that you can't conceive why one would stand up to many. That's cowardice, anon. Cowardice and apathy. If you don't believe in anything enough to stand for it, you'll never comprehend those that do.
Yeah, so why would you trust the government that is infested with Hydra agents? You claim Bucky deserves to go down for the stuff he dead while brainwashed and yet you trust the people who did the brainwashing in the first place.
See if I stopped there my post would be nearly pointless. If you give an opinion, you should just back it up in the same post or you'll have people asking why you think that right after anyway.
Stark is right in that government oversight is probably a good thing, but wrong in supporting it in the form of the accords.
Cap disagrees with the accords and just gives up being a super hero. That's fine, that's his choice. He only fights when the UN wants to execute Bucky without a trial.
Yeah, give yourself in to the whole. Don't think, just follow orders. Aspirations don't matter. You're already number 1.
Freedom is the right to protest and the right to self-defense. When the government shows up and says "Fuck what you want, you work for us now" you are within your rights to tell them to fuck off.
The Initiative was conscription and The Thunderbolts was a penal legion. The government was nuts and it had to be stopped.
>Yeah, give yourself in to the whole. Don't think, just follow orders.
>I am right. I know I am, because I believe in what I am saying. If I believe in it, I can't be wrong.
Everything about this absolutist debate was full out stupid from its inception
>If I believe in it, I can't be wrong.
Except Cap never said that. He never said not to reconsider your position. He never said not to entertain the notion that you might be wrong. He simply said not to change your mind because people tell you. Appeal to popularity is a fallacy and all Cap ever did was warn people not to fall for it.
>How do you think people decide not to follow an order?
You evaluate the scenario and try to discern whether or not the order is a morally upstanding thing, preferably with input from other viewpoints as human belief isn't exactly a great way stab at objectivity. If literally the entire world disagrees with you, perhaps you should listen to them instead of saying that "it doesn't matter what they're saying"- they might have some very good points that you're missing.
He literally said that it doesn't matter what the press says or the entire country says. He is literally saying right there that he won't value their opinion because his own beliefs override them. There is no way out of this.
No, you see, Tony was only against the government BEFORE they were revealed to have been infiltrated and controlled by a Nazi sect. Now that he knows that, he's cool with them. It's called character development
This. Civil War is dumb as shit no matter how you try to interpret it.
When them discussing their point with you consists of "We're going to shoot you and throw you into another dimension," you really don't.
They didn't go that hard at the fucking Masters of Evil, but they'll blow up the floor of an office building to bust Patriot? Fuck that.
No, he's saying that the content of whatever the masses are saying doesn't matter to him in light of his beliefs and perspective on the truth. Read
>Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.
His remark isn't "don't blindly agree with the mob," it's "don't pay any attention to their message and follow your heart instead."
>When them discussing their point with you consists of "We're going to shoot you and throw you into another dimension," you really don't.
Other viewpoints don't have to be provided by the people trying to kill you.
Galileo listened to the world and argued against them with the scientific method. I'm not saying that we should just hop on the bandwagon for whatever the world says, just that if you think their viewpoints don't matter or can't contain truth within them, you're an idiot.
>mfw there are fags who would support the egocentric douche who almost caused human extinction twice and still got away with it because muh smug
>People defend this.
Tony is trying to do what is right and logical for a change. Bucky is clearly dangerous and Cap is doing what he's doing solely because Bucky is his friend.
Capes SHOULD be able to be held accountable for their actions. You need to be registered to own a gun, you should definitely need to be registered if you want to use your inhuman powers/weapons of mass destruction to act as defenders of the earth.
>Galileo listened to the world and argued against them with the scientific method.
Actually, IIRC for a while there he basically ignored the establishment and just kind of taught his own model as fact in blatant defiance of what the Catholic Church told him to stop doing, i.e., that. That's why he got house-arrested in the first place. He was utterly confident in his theory even before the whole peer-review thing managed to gather enough evidence to prove his model right. Of course, because it turned out he was right in the end anyway, I'm not really sure whose side this example supports now.
>>People defend this.
>Capes SHOULD be able to be held accountable for their actions.
When is Iron Hypocrite going to turn himself in for nearly causing human extinction? Or at least for destroying an entire city?
Except that wasn't what happened.
Nitro was a psycho asshole that blew up several blocks. So, let's force people to register. Are there identities public? Is the Initiative mandatory? What's the punishment for not registering?
Who cares? Solidifying the crux of the narrative would get in the way of our paper-thin political narrative about the Patriot Act.
>His remark isn't "don't blindly agree with the mob," it's "don't pay any attention to their message and follow your heart instead."
He never said follow your heart. Nice job trying to pin something retarded on him in an attempt to discredit him.
And it literally does not matter what the mob says. If what the mob says is true, it would be just as true if no one said it. The fact that the mob says it is not an argument in favor of it being true.
>Cap is doing what he's doing solely because Bucky is his frien
Absolutely false. Remember in Age of Ultron when Hill was teying to tell Cap how evil the twins are and Cap was trying to point out that they have valid reasons for opposing the Avengers?
The one who makes excuses is Iron Man. Bucky deserves to be held accountable for being brainwashed but Tony doesn't deserve to be held accountable for getting way more people killed due to his own hubris.
Is every person who watched Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron a retard?
He came out of IM3 with the intention to retire, but knew, and his ego told him, that the world still needed him. Ultron was supposed to be a suitable replacement. He wasn't going to retire without one.
Even in the ending of IM3, blowing up the suits wasn't a sign he was done with armors. It meant that he understood the one-man-paranoid-army approach wasn't going to work. He learned that the real value of Iron Man was in his genius. So he went back to his bread and butter: an improved version of his armor, and focused creative genius in the solution to replacing himself.
>He never said follow your heart.
Poor choice of words, but you get what I meant (stand up for what you believe is right- keyword believe).
>And it literally does not matter what the mob says. If what the mob says is true, it would be just as true if no one said it. The fact that the mob says it is not an argument in favor of it being true.
You're arguing against nobody here, because I never implied the mob saying something was true made it true. I just said that what the mob might be saying is true, and it shouldn't be ignored in favor of your own judgement (which is exactly what Cap is conveying in his speech).
Tonyfags have no defense. If Bucky is to be held accountable for killing people while under the influence of mind-control, Tony should definitely be held accountable for causing the deaths of several people+the destruction of a whole city due to noting but his own ego.
Einstein never built an atom bomb you retard. And even if he did that would still be a retarded analogy because the atom bomb wasn't the result of humans randomly fucking around with alien technology that no one understood and the atom bomb never gained sentience and deliberately tried to kill all humans.
>He urged the atom bomb to be built
Not the same thing
>Nobody will ever understand the alien technology if they don't do experiments with it.
What kind of experiment was he doing? Putting an unknown alien AI into a robot suit doesn't sound like my idea of scientific inquiry.
> You're asking scientists to be ignorant.
No I'm not. You seem to think a scientist is a guy who just mashes random shit together with no thought.
Also they need to make the finger less gloves real to some degree.
>Even in the ending of IM3, blowing up the suits wasn't a sign he was done with armors. It meant that he understood the one-man-paranoid-army approach wasn't going to work.
I guess that's why he quite literally built a new one-man-army in AOU
>Not the same thing
What, because he didn't directly make the bomb? Then stark didn't directly cause the destruction.
>What kind of experiment was he doing? Putting an unknown alien AI into a robot suit doesn't sound like my idea of scientific inquiry.
He didn't put any AI into the suit, the AI did all of that.
>No I'm not. You seem to think a scientist is a guy who just mashes random shit together with no thought.
>mashing things together
>not behavior of scientists
The fundamental concept of inventing something comes from using pre-existing ideas to create something new.
Cap's idealism is nice and all but if the movie is anything like the first Civil War, then Tony is totally right.
Heroes and other superpowered individuals need to be registered and controlled in some way. You need a license for a gun, so if you can shoot fucking bullets out your dick, you should have a license for that too.
>>Not the same thing
>What, because he didn't directly make the bomb?
He didn't make the bomb, he didn't create an AI that made the bomb. He didn't try to make a second bomb to kill the first bomb. He didn't act all smugly superior to people who suggested "hey the atom bomb wasn't bso great, how about we don't repeat the same thing here"
>He didn't put any AI into the suit, the AI did all of that.
What was the experiment? What did he learn about AI from studying the scepter? What hypotheses did he test?
>The fundamental concept of inventing something comes from using pre-existing ideas to create something new.
In Tony's case he didn't even attempt to understand the pre-existing ideas. Going back to your Einstein analogy it would be like randomly poking at a uranium sample until something happened.
>You need a license for a gun, so if you can shoot fucking bullets out your dick, you should have a license for that too.
>Because this thing is, everything must follow its example
You shouldn't need a license for a gun just like you shouldn't need a license to have your fucking superpowers or dress up in spandex suits and save people.
I'm not just talking about Tony creating weapons and said weapons being used for 'evil', but Tony himself straight up murders people, shoots human enemies point blank in the face, burns them alive in IM1, completely annihilates them with lasers and explosives. Who gave him the right to execute people?
Sure these were bad guys, but that still gives him no more right to go out and kill people he doesn't like than any other person, just because he can.
Not to mention the completely reckless way he's leading giant aliens into buildings in the final Avengers fight. Yeah the MCU states only 200-something civilians died in the New York battle, but that is a load of horseshit. The streets and buildings were full of people, there was no time to evacuate. Tony leads a giant alien monster into a skyscraper and other massive structures, while fucking quipping. .
Over 2000 people died in 9/11, two buildings. A huge portion of inner New York was utterly destroyed in Avengers.
>He didn't make the bomb, he didn't create an AI that made the bomb. He didn't try to make a second bomb to kill the first bomb. He didn't act all smugly superior to people who suggested "hey the atom bomb wasn't bso great, how about we don't repeat the same thing here"
You're saying Einstein shouldn't have any responsibility for what he advocates? Regardless whether or not Einstein made the second bomb, he had the same mentality as the scientists who did. And that second so called bomb is literally what saved the entire world.
>What was the experiment? What did he learn about AI from studying the scepter? What hypotheses did he test?
The whole experiment was about seeing if the AI would be a good candidate for the ULTRON program. He was clearly studying it before it went haywire by itself.
>In Tony's case he didn't even attempt to understand the pre-existing ideas.
He did, what do you think that montage was with him and Bruce? They were clearly studying the AI as closely as possible.
>The September 11 attacks killed 2,996 people and injured more than 6,000 others.These immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes, 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon
Team Iron Man, solely because T'challa could beat Cap's team single handedly.
>You're saying Einstein shouldn't have any responsibility for what he advocates?
No, I'm saying signing a letter is not comparable to creating Ultron and Ultron is not the same as a nuke. I'm saying the science behind nukes was understood before they were being assembled.
>he had the same mentality
Team Tony, everyone. Trying to bring thought-crimes into this.
>went haywire by itself.
He gave it access to his computers, he gave it the "peace in our time" directive, and he gave it connection to the internet. It's not something that "just happened by itself"
>what do you think that montage was with him and Bruce?
Randomly mashing shit together
>People who are team Cap or team Tony don't want to bang them
Do you know where you are?
Cap and Bucky tag-teaming Tony. Possibly while he's crying. It's the only way to go.
>implying this isn't Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump
Tony all the way. Cap just wants to save his butt-buddy. Tony is trying to make up for his previous blunders by helping the government take down a dangerous terrorist.
'Freedom' is not doing whatever the fuck you want because 'MUH FRIEND!'
See personally I've always thought that Tony was my kind of guy.
I mean remember that one time he defended his ownership of the Iron Man suit in court.
He clearly embodies everything about the American dream!
Anyway it's true that the Ultron thing was kind of his fault(Though really it was Hank's and the marvel movieverse went to shit the moment it wasn't), but he did mean well by it, and he's clearly trying to take responsibility for it with this superhero registration act.
No one cares about Shillvil War
>Tony is trying to make up for his previous blunders by helping the government take down a dangerous terrorist.
besides, tony might just be trying to make up for his irresponsible and arrogant acts, but he's still trying to bring everyone else down with him...which makes him more of an asshole than he already is
Ironman gets a trial.
Black Widow gets a trial.
All of S.H.I.E.L.D. gets a trial.
Bucky doesn't get a trial.
This is the part where you blame writers, not me. Cap would fight for Due Process
I think he's supposedly the one who killed Kennedy and such in the MCU and such, on top of Hydra not wanting it known that he's their brainwashed assassin and such they can use that kind of public hatred to make him a sort of kill on sight target.
Forced as fuck and such, but don't work too hard nitpicking, the comic version is even more convoluted and filled with stupid decisions. They need to fit it into roughly 2 hours without confusing the fuck out of everyone.
Completely? He died a WW2 hero, even has a memorial in the Smithsonian.
He's no more to blame for the deaths at his hands while completely brainwashed than Hawkeye is personally responsible for the deaths of the crew on the Helicarrier in Avengers 1.
Not much, but they'd still have to keep him locked up even in a world where Hydra was completely dead when they finally caught up to Bucky, need to make sure he's really free of his brain washing and such. Admittedly I think Vision's mind gem can do that? Though depends how much the people trust him too as Ultron's baby sorta.
In the comics he ended up being handed back to Russia and thrown into the gulag so they could try to force information back out of him, and he only escaped when he "died" and was rescued by BW and Fury. And this was after his time spent as Cap. His crimes are too high profile internationally that he'd have to become a scapegoat to appease other nations. Thinking the WS would get a fair trial is naive.
>So why is anyone even acting like it's fair to want to kill him?
I think they're gonna go the route that Bucky has been hitting HYDRA locations on his own while the SHRA is in effect. So Cap breaks the law to save Bucky, who, aside from the whole assassin thing, is breaking the law being hero. And if Cap has stepped down by that point, helping Bucky looks hypocritical.
That would be the logical way I'd play it, dunno how the movie will do it. They'd probably dumb it down to Tony "HE KILLED MY PARENTS!" and Cap "HE SAVED MY LIFE".
Each character has their own reasons, all of them valid and sympathetic.
The conscription thing is a problem for the increasingly powerful Scarlet Witch, the registration thing is a problem for Hawkeye due to his family, same for Antman.
Cap is motivated by protecting his friend and clinging to his old life (in contrast, Wanda probably leaves behind her old self).
Tony is trying to make things right and protect his friends. Widow is trying to keep the Avengers going. Rhodey like Falcon is being Black Sidekick, Vision is following logic (at first). Bucky wants to redeem himself. Panther is likely wanting to avenge his father.
Though the trailers are making Cap seem a bit like a fucking moron, though.
I'll repeat what I've said before
>As I said in another thread, as a civillian I'd totally be pro-reg. I agree with the notion that people like Hulk and Scarlet Witch are way too dangerous to just trust them and let them do whatever they want because they say they're nice and they won't do bad things. Immediately forcing them to sign up for some kind of task force or special police unit would be taking things too far though. They're still humans who often had no choice in becoming what they are. However, in the MCU the government has been proven to be unreliable and very vulnerable to manipulation and infiltration by supernazis, terrorists, etc. So I would definitely not trust them with the responsibility to keep the enhanced people in check and keeping everyone safe.
So basically, they're both wrong and there is no "right" way to deal with this situation.
How come this movie is supposed to be about the destruction of Steve and Tony's friendship but for some reason Cap has a much stronger and believable friendship with Black Widow of all people and nothing really with Stark?
Because Steve and Tony have never actually been friends in any of the movies they've appeared in together.
Pretty much the opposite, they've all but been at each others throats all movie before having some token grudging respect at the end.
Thinking like a civilian from MCU, I would be all for keeping tabs on anybody with super powers. Sure, some of them will be good guys but not all of them. All it takes is one superpowered baddie to turn the world to shit.
Thinking like a civilian from MCU, I wouldn't trust the government after the whole HYDRA fiasco and approving to nuke New York.
I'd rather put my trust in the WW2 icon who saved me from destruction countless times.
>Movie is a commentary on left and right of US politics
>The liberal douchebag sides with a hateful terrorist because "muh freedumbs"
>The conservative douchebag sides with the big bad government because "muh saftey"
>Super heroes are fucking Muslims
This. Based on my knowledge of last time Cap was a fugitive from the law I would probably conclude that Iron Man means to destroy the world. You know, like he almost had his robot do last year.
The way the registration works in the MCU is that superheroes have to receive orders from the government before doing anything, right? Because that makes no fucking sense when a lot of these supposed superheroes aren't super at all. Hawkeye is just a person who's good with arrows. Are they literally making a law saying that no human being can ever use a weapon for anything unless the government okays it first? Because that's fucking retarded.
The MCU US Government is bad as fuck though I mean the Vice President on Iron Man 3 was working with a terrorist and they had a Senator who was HYDRA in TWS.
Also they have Zemo in Civil War, it's laughable how incompetent they are.
You can not create a genocidal robot hellbent on killing everyone.
Also remember when Tony convinced Banner to try to embrace being a "mad scientist" and bring a monster? Good times.
It says hundreds of people died though, but I agree with that anon. Looking at the NY battle without Disney-tinted glasses, several thousands of people died.
Team Cap because Team Iron Manlet is infested with Hydra shit and people who were never held accountable for their actions and suddenly start judging others.
The one thing I would agree though is that Bucky is dangerous and needs to be contained but since Team Iron Manlet is shit they won't give Bucky the benefit of a trial so fuck them.
Let Steve be Bucky's handler and put him through theraphy and keep weapons away from him until he can prove he is not fucked up by Winter Soldier programming then have him stand trial, I bet Cap would agree with that.
Also if Clint went on a killing rampage while brainwashed by Loki and everyone didn't held him responsible for it, they can at least try to help Bucky and not automatically kill him or condemn him to prison for life without a trial.
Goddamn. I thought Daredevil was supposed to be the gritty part of the MCU. Isn't it rated TV-MA? I mean, I only watch the movies, but.. goddamn, of all the places to put this stupid bullshit.
Screw it. My headcanon is that thousands of people died and the newspaper made a careless mistake.
He never retired or intended to.
At the end of IM3 he says he realises he doesn't need armors or toys, HE is iron man, the mechanic.
He quit being the man in armor only, and started a world defense program. He now cares for world safety and security, not just being a super hero.
"Isn't that why we fight? To end the fight and go home?"
At the end of Age of Ultron, he still thinks like that, but he failed hard with Ultron, and realised he can't do that alone or without asking if the world wants protection. Hence, the registration program.
Yeah it's stupid. But I guess I can see why Disney/Marvel did it like that, you don't want to bring people down and focus too much on the devastation (which is what turned many off from MOS). And you don't want the backlash of the audience thinking your heroes didn't do enough to save civilians or created too much collateral damage.
If it said thousands in the newspaper, the audience might start to think, 'hey, didn't Iron Man fly a huge space alien monster into all of those people-filled buildings?', and wonder if he actually caused the death of hundreds with that stunt. If many thousands civilians died (some directly because of the Avengers), it would seem much more inappropriate for the heroes to joke about it afterwards, and for the movie in general to end on a light note.
But if anything in the MCU could have been more realistic about the NY battle, it was Daredevil, so they blew it.
>So why is anyone even acting like it's fair to want to kill him? Or that Cap is wrong to defend him?
Regardless of when it happened to Clint, things have changed. With Nick Fury around, Tony could do any bullshit and be covered, same thing Cap, who has always acted without worrying about red tape bureaucracy. Nick Fury have dismissed the problem of Hawkeye with little noise, but now there is Ross in command, who wants deliberately take control of super heroes, so, what went well for Clint, is no longer valid.
Tony Stark is a true American patrician, helping the government chase down a dangerous terrorist.