>>79688189 This is exactly why I can't stand current Batgirl and Black Canary. They act like incompetent idiots half their age. Starfire too. Instead of being "fish out of water" she constantly seems to be mentally handicapped.
>>79688189 >Why are most female led books like this? Because most of the people that complain about female led books ARE quirky college kids that ignore the long history of characters and whine about vapid and unimportant things.
>>79688322 >Kamala gets a pass because she's an ACTUAL TEENAGER. It's freaking amazing that so many people seem to ignore that fact too, what with the whole "Why don't you like Squirrel Girl!? You like Kamala!"
Narcissistic self insertion. It's frustrating because there are so many heroic archetypes from mythology for women that they could build great characters from, but they refuse to do this. They can't look past the contemporary notion of what they perceive as the average modern womans daily life. It's irritating.
This is a much wider problem that has permeated throughout the entire industry outside of the whole petty boys vs girls stuff. Comics are so immersed in subversion of themes that they have completely lost the foundation of what made them work in the first place. They need some classically minded mother fuckers to come in to the writing scene to restore this foundation
>>79688466 Well, compare to when obscure male characters are reinvented, they're usually pushed to the forefront of the superhero community by giving them conflicts worthy enough to raise their profiles. Female characters, it ends up being the opposite.
>>79688377 >This is a much wider problem that has permeated throughout the entire industry outside of the whole petty boys vs girls stuff. Comics are so immersed in subversion of themes that they have completely lost the foundation of what made them work in the first place. They need some classically minded mother fuckers to come in to the writing scene to restore this foundation
Largely this is because comics has had a huge influx of "new" talent that come from either independent publishing (where they have no foundation for writing classic superhero stuff) or from webcomics (where they have no foundation for writing).
Look at Bendis, for example. His flagship project was Powers for Image which was a subverting of superhero tropes, and Alias for Marvel MAX which was a subversion of superhero tropes. The closest he's come to writing a "straight" superhero book in his career was Daredevil, which was at the start of his time at Marvel and in the style of Frank Miller. Since then he's degenerated further and further into his own shitty tropes.
Marvel is filled with these artists and writers who think the classic superhero form is stupid, antiquated or worse, and a few who understand and love the form and are trying to bring it back. Unfortunately the indie-style shit tends to get the most press (Fraction's Hawkeye being a premiere case in point) because somehow people still think it's shocking that the Big Two would publish an indie-style snoozefest even though they have done it for the last 15 years or so.
I don't understand why almost every single comic with a female lead now feels exactly the same. There's nothing challenging about them, there's no bite at all, it's all bland, inoffensive, quirky comedy that caters to the Internet crowd.
>>79688542 While you're right, it's worth bringing attention to the fact that there are still a fair number of more traditional superhero comic writers at Marvel. Ewing comes to mind as a "new talent" that embraces the roots of the genre unironically. They've also got Conway, Robinson, Waid, and sporadic others that I'm drawing a blank on right now.
I wouldn't say so. Tom Taylor is pretty much straight up an action beats writer. He's not a super good one, but so far Laura's title has mostly been the same kind of thing you'd expect of a Logan book.
>>79688677 >publishers dont want people to offend about x-23 past as a hooker But All-new Wolverine directly referenced her time as a hooker, so I'm not sure what your point is. That people who don't read comics are the ones most likely to complain about people not reading comics?
Yes, I didn't mean to infer that it was everyone working at Marvel, just that in the books being discussed in this thread, these artist/writers tend to be of that type.
Waid I feel has fully embraced the current low-hanging fruit and is writing some totally forgettable fluff which might as well be written by someone they ripped from a webcomic.
Also Tom King is a seriously hardcore writer with a solid backing in superhero and non-superhero comics. It's ironic perhaps that the writer of Grayson, which /co/ loves to get its panties in a twist over, is producing some of the best superhero writing Marvel has right now in Vision.
>>79688542 It's ironic, but because of people like Bendis, subversive deconstructionist takes on superheroes have actually become the status quo to the point where they aren't even subverting anything anymore. It's just this mired post modern mess of self referential meta irony. They can only joke about how creative and out there the expansive Marvel universe is, or used to be, while totally lacking the creative minds that made these stories work in the first place. They'll just make some stupid joke about how wacky and crazy the alien they're fighting is without actually being the weird ass mother fucker in real life who creates those kinds of ideas genuinely. It's just commentary, it isn't the same creative drive that created things like Starlins cosmic Marvel.
It's reached the point where if someone were to write a genuine superhero story built upon classic archetypes with no sense of irony or subversion, it would actually in a weird way be totally subversive to the current status quo
I think the last time Marvel had a sub-line which wasn't built on this was the DnA era cosmic Marvel. Which of course petered out and vanished and then its corpse got reanimated into Bendis GOTG and OOGA CHAKKA
>>79688779 >They'll just make some stupid joke about how wacky and crazy the alien they're fighting is without actually being the weird ass mother fucker in real life who creates those kinds of ideas genuinely
I fucking hate this shit. Like in the new Guardians stuff, they described Knowhere as being at the edge of the universe, with a little * saying "It's true! Isn't that just cuhrazy!?" If anything its one of the tamer things in the Marvel Universe.
>It's sad that some people actually think this >the truth is "sad"
Not sure if you've noticed, but it's almost universally the kind of fiction with modern semi-attractive young women in leading roles who are overpowered as shit and can do no wrong that are selling like hotcakes with female markets as of late. Women eat that shit up like there's no tomorrow, as it's to them what shit like Conan is to men, a chance to step into the shoes of someone much more interesting and powerful than you are.
Problem is, all but a rare few female/feminist male writers are clueless about how to balance strengths and flaws in their characters, which leads to entire Justice Leagues' worth of Mary Sues being pumped out like on an assembly line. Almost every single one of these female leads is one, several or all (usually all) of the following:
>gifted power for no good reason except luck, if that, even if it thoroughly-shits on all established canon >"nerdy" in the modern sense of having odd hobbies that are endearing rather than ostracizing >a blatant political mouthpiece for the writer(s) at some point, preaching their/their bosses' progressive views ("Women can do anything men can, and often better!"/"Not all Muslims are terrorists!"/"Look at those internet losers talking about video games that we said are dead but keep going on about anyways!") at the bored and increasingly-annoyed reader >prone to frequently fucking up in ways that are inconsequential/end up helping >endless gawking about men that'd make the comic fail the Bechdel test 1,000 times over
The blame for this flood of dreck falls on multiple parties. Between women who've never even written a barebones "roses are red" poem, much less likable complex dynamic characters, men who are too thirsty/spineless/both to shoot down shitty ideas and results from women, and diversity quotas both enforced in-company and in modern culture by daft suits, everyone is contributing to the market saturation of utter trash.
>>79688618 >Toxic masculinity is just having a really edgy and generic protagonist, isn't it? No, it's the whole, "I can't cry, BECAUSE I'M A MAN".
I'm not saying there's something necessarily wrong with the notion of not crying, but at least do it for an actual reason, like having to keep a brave face for the people you're protecting, or some shit like that. Not just "I'M A MAN HURR". Actual men don't think like that.
Well, you're right that she's writing for herself, but maybe not in the way you think. This page was clearly just to try and drum up outrage (and interest) for a title that's circling the drain of cancellation.
She probably is a pretty huge twat regardless though.
Buffy is responsible for a lot of this. A lot of the current female writers and fans grew up with Buffy and are replicating le ebin quirky Joss Whedon quip show except without even the vague notions of threats that the Buffyverse stuff had. As fucking lame and quippy as those shows were, at least they sometimes tried to present a serious threat in a story. Sometimes.
>>79688991 >>gifted power for no good reason except luck, if that, even if it thoroughly-shits on all established canon >>"nerdy" in the modern sense of having odd hobbies that are endearing rather than ostracizing >>a blatant political mouthpiece for the writer(s) at some point, preaching their/their bosses' progressive views ("Jocks are jerks!!"/"Nerds can be powerful too!"/"Look at these stupid people who only complain when you're trying to help them!!") at the bored and increasingly-annoyed reader >>prone to frequently fucking up in ways that are inconsequential/end up helping >>endless gawking about women that'd make the comic fail the reverse Bechdel test 1,000 times over
>>79688274 >>79688322 What I got from Black Canary is that she's violent and paranoid who shuts out the people close to her. Batgirl, in-universe, has something like 2 years of superheroics under her belt with a huge gap in the middle. Also people hated the prior direction they went with the character. Spider-Woman isn't quirky college student either, she's early 00s modern girl problems sitcom.
Lets just be honest with ourselves here. Seeing a woman as a major lead in comics isn't a typical fan's wants nor is it something you see in real life, therefore its less relatable. There are very few stories of heroes that are women in terms of crime fighting and war. Its just a fact of life because men and women are physically different. And the women that men can relate to most (and most other women) are illogical and irrational walking time bombs. Fuck, I think I just invented a new female lead...Time Bomb, you never know when she'll go off.
>>79688189 BEcause they're both shooting for the demo that likes that kind of shit and they scooping up amateur talent whose wheel house is that kind of shit. >>79688482 Sometimes writers are fans, plus it's a business. I mean that's sort of the reason why a lot of genres and niches come about. Not to mention there's a good amount of shitty books that completely miss the point of what fans liked in the first place if not outright ignored it. I NEVER WANTED A HERCULES BOOK WHERE HE WAS DEPOWERED LIVING IN BROOKLYN WITHOUT CHO, THAT'S NOT WHY I FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM! But I digress, the trick isn't not to pander, it's to pander well.
>>79689265 That's really what the issue is. You can tell these people have mostly consumed sitcoms and other shitty tv shows and that's what they want to emulate. It's the whole fucking Bendis Seinfeld with superheroes garbage. They seriously need to stop hiring people who even care about nerd or Internet culture at all
>>79689292 She's a sophomore in College, and moved to NYC after turning 18 at the beginning of the Heroic Age. By the time she enrolled at ESU, she had already been in NYC for 6-12 months. She should be ~20 at this point. 19 at an absolute minimum.
>>79689148 >isnt helping poor black people what liberals and feminist like Well sure but you could at least not be boring about it.
I don't know, I liked the ideas, I honestly did, up to and including the bits where Storm needed to resolve the yakuza bullshit in Wolverine's place, but something about it was just lacking presentation-wise. It didn't have a punch, it felt like a series of short stories where all of them was like, "Here's a small problem, here's Storm resolving it non-violently". Maybe it was repetitive? I feel a little unfair judging it so long after I've actually read it but the impression it left was, "Interesting ideas but doesn't have any tension at all".
Because if you have a female lead that is actually competent and good at what she does, then Feminists and SJWs complain that said character is just a "man with tits" trope and isn't acting enough like a quirky newbie college kid.
>>79689375 I felt the same way in the Calisto issue, i mean you could say Calisto is more a storm rogue than a x-men rogue, but they way they resolved the problem with the missing kid, i will say it was too fast, but since Calisto lost her power she doesnt prefer so much of a challange
There have been Mature Woman Solo books published off and on for decades. They don't sell. >>79689064 Did you only actually read the first issue, because the series was Storm's Greatest Hits, retreading all those Claremont plots.
>>79688419 >most girls can't to relate to anyone who isn't just like them >It's sad that some people actually think this If what he said weren't true, why would female-led titles be necessary at all? The women could just relate to the male heroes.
>>79689400 What if she's a complex and nuanced character capable and complicit in both good and evil, and stands truly individuated from the perceived collective of "women" as a general concept and doesn't attempt to represent the average female reader just because they're both girls? That's what I'd like to see. More female characters that aren't made to be pithy role models or representitives of the perceived female collective.
So many of these writers are still stuck on the starting line, seemingly only capable of expressing "see, girls can do stuff too!" but I'm so far past that. I expect to see individual women emerge that differentiate themselves from the rest with a unique style and depth of stpry telling that goes beyond just being a woman or appealing to women as a generalized whole. I want to see women writers that write from their own self interest who's writing finds it's own audience of individuals instead of pandering to a preestablsihed crowd. That's what is needed honestly.
My guess is marketing told The Big 2 that the female demographic consists mostly of twenty something college freshmen. And since marketing also told them that there were no comic reading women before 2000 they had to make these established characters "relatable".
>>79689583 the closest thing to the example you said that i can think is Titania from illuminati comics, she is/was a villain who worry about her husband and is happy with him, she struggle because as an ex-villain nobody want to hire her.
>>79689540 Batgirl is a big name, meaning it has a following no matter what. Even Simone's run was selling, despite being shit.
Ms. Marvel makes it work because she's a teenager, which is the main difference between the shit titles and the ones that sell a lot (in comics and in general): Hunger Games, Buffy and so on have (or started as) teenagers acting like teenagers, Captain Marvel, Spider Woman etc. have adult women acting like teenagers.
>>79689654 >Batgirl is a big name, meaning it has a following no matter what. Even Simone's run was selling, despite being shit. The creative team change revitalized sales of the book, which was a pretty big deal for DC.
When something's actually proven to work, businesses try to copy it to see if it'll work elsewhere.
>>79689583 >More female characters that aren't made to be pithy role models or representitives of the perceived female collective.
Bit of an aside, and it feeds into the Galbush/token argument, but I've noticed lately how much female readers project onto/lay claim to the actions of females characters. Like, when a male character does something badass, discussion is usually "This character is awesome". But when a female character does something badass, the discussion almost always "Women are awesome".
>>79688820 >There were like 3 war books in nu52 To be fair, Men of War didn't sell poorly because it was a war book. It sold poorly because it was a shitty book that couldn't form a coherent plot and wasted it's fucking concept jumping all over the place.
>>79689649 It's why I've always loved evil Queen style villains like how Hela was originally portrayed. It's said to see how so many female writers aren't living up to the opportunity they are given to create unique and definitive women characters in fiction.
So, in his early issues, Peter was not >gifted power for no good reason except luck, Nor was he >"nerdy" in the modern sense of having odd hobbies that are endearing rather than ostracizing Nor did he ever >a blatant political mouthpiece for the writer(s) at some point, preaching their/their bosses' progressive views and he of course he was never >endless gawking about women
You're seriously going to pretend those never happened in Spider-Man's early run. You are seriously, no joke, going to pretend none of that applied to Spider-Man when he started out.
The closest one that doesn't fit is fucking up in ways that end up helping, and even then, there was this massive gap between his origin and issue 90 before a fuckup really had some consequences.
I dare you to say Spider-Man didn't get political too.
>>79689230 I know you think that was some kind of clever rejoinder but there's a reason you don't make an entire team of Spider-mans. Once everyone is that guy, no one is; it's just a big group of assholes.
Some of my favorite female characters are from ASOIAF (show's awful though) and that's probably because all of them have flaws and are pretty different from eachother.
Fuck, I'd love to get more unapologetic turbo villain cunts like Cersei in comics/movies too. Fuck the show for making her more sympathetic, I loved the fact that she was so fucked up in the books. I guess showing her ordering the killing of babies and openly hating other women would trigger SJWs who watch the show.
>>79689789 Well yeah, we're not talking about quality here, we're talking about sales. Turning Babs into a stereotypical Millennial sold more than Gail Simone writing her as if she were still a late 30s Gen Xer, and honestly that was a better decision given her current age.
>>79689739 This is an actual thing in american society.
We see this practiced all the time, with things like how men are expected to suck it up and work through illness or injury when a woman would be encouraged to stay home and recover. Men are expected to be touch and take things that reasonably nobody should be expected to.
>>79689807 It's because of collectivism as an ideology. No woman can be great on her own as an individual. Any greatness she achieves through her nature must be shared amongst the collective. She must be made to represent all women and serve as a model of what they all are capable of. In the end, it ironically just erodes the identity of individual women as a person in and of themselves and makes them blank slates for lesser women to project themselves onto.
>You're seriously going to pretend those never happened in Spider-Man's early run
Yes. Peter's attitude and hobbies got him ostracized and he fucked up in more ways than breaking his gf's neck (especially at work and school). Even as a political mouthpiece he was less intrusive and recurring as today's characters.
>>79688779 >It's reached the point where if someone were to write a genuine superhero story built upon classic archetypes with no sense of irony or subversion, it would actually in a weird way be totally subversive to the current status quo
>>79689583 >What if she's a complex and nuanced character capable and complicit in both good and evil, and stands truly individuated from the perceived collective of "women" as a general concept and doesn't attempt to represent the average female reader just because they're both girls? Then she'll get pigeonholed into an easy to define category (or better said, trope) because complexity is scary and difficult to tackle and in depth character analysis and research takes time away from being mad and fighting for "justice".
>>79689890 It's why I've immersed myself in Greek mythology. There are so many powerful and unique female figures throughout the mythological canon because the Greeks viewed women as capable of being powerful and dangerous individuals capable of both sin and virtue.
>>79690036 Sure it does. Popular title gets even more popular when main character becomes a generation stereotype, ergo let's give these traits to as many young women as we can so they too can potentially get a sales boost.
>>79690116 You are scapegoating its existence today on modern feminism, which is retarded. Its been a known issue that results from cultural influences since before modern psycho feminism had anything close to the platform it has now.
I don't like feminist crazies either, but lets not use them as a boogeyman.
>>79690135 >One's a sociological concept, the other is an internet meme. I don''t think they're as separate as you claim given that, just as an example, the praise that FemThor got in articles wasn't that the book was good, but that it was going to piss off nerds. Or hell, there's some late night talk show starting on TBS, and rather than going on about how it's going to be entertaining all the adds are set into overdrive about how Samantha Bee is going to tear down the boys club and ruffle feathers and take on comic book nerds.
Polarization has turned the sociological concept INTO a meme.
Yeah but that's what you get when you have an industry where authors can put their stuff out more easily. It'd be like equating our webcomics to American society. In the end, those things are made by the artists of that community and artists tend to lean a particular way on social issues that's not shared by everyone else.
>>79690201 >I don''t think they're as separate as you claim given that, just as an example, the praise that FemThor got in articles wasn't that the book was good, but that it was going to piss off nerds. I'm not seeing the connection at all.
"Toxic masculinity" is a sociological concept.
Whatever you're talking about is some internet topic made for clickbait.
>>79688189 Many female led books are like this BECAUSE there were not many like it before (especially in the eyes of the public).
DC and Marvel, DC and just "comics" in particular, had a problem with being "for guys" and being "grimdark". By making it lighter and giving them female solos, DC and Marvel are screaming "hey we have comics for female readers too!"
It's just a new trend.
You had one or two books, let's say in this case Ms Marvel and Batgirl, that proved very popular with casuals. Then you had copycats like Spider Woman getting a new costume and trying to be as successful and failing. For some characters it works or is understandable. Kamala is a teenage girl, Batgirl is trying to make her be like what casuals think Batgirl is (a la BTAS, The Batman, etc), and Starfire is making her more like the cartoon Starfire. For others like Spider Woman it simply doesn't work. If they did it to Catwoman or Batwoman, it simply wouldn't work.
Within the next 2-3 years most of the cute will gradually lessen due to backlash and they'll try to branch out into other tones.
>>79690272 Why does that matter to you? The word "feminism" starts with the letter "F". Is suddenly the letter "F" terrible? That's what you sound like. Some group abusing or miscommunicating with a concept doesn't invalidate the concept.
>>79690297 >I meant it's an idea that's part of a political movement. That would only matter if the idea existed from within the movement and serves ONLY to push the movement, which it doesn't, it's a valid sociological observation made outside the scope of some push for rights.
>>79690305 >It's usually other men who look down on men displaying socially determined signs of weakness. Not even the guy you're arguing with but it's everybody. Women are just as complicit and eager to do it. Heck during that thing which must not be named, it wasn't us that got raided, it was wizardchan, the site of sadsacks with a suicide helpline in the banner.
>>79688779 >It's reached the point where if someone were to write a genuine superhero story built upon classic archetypes with no sense of irony or subversion, it would actually in a weird way be totally subversive to the current status quo Comics industry:Hypercrisis
>>79690154 The play Medea by Euripides is one of my favorite of all the Greek Tragedies I've read. She's such a complex character with a sweeping character arc that ends with her arising as one of the most definitive villains in Greek mythological canon. She's the archetype for the wicked witch figure we've seen throughout literature, but she still stand above all that came after her as the most interesting
>>79690365 Right, so when your boss or coworkers give you shit for wanting to stay home while sick or not "manning up" and pushing through intolerable bullshit it's because some shadow feminist has burrowed in to their brains and is controlling him like a meat puppet.
>>79690423 >Right, so when your boss or coworkers give you shit for wanting to stay home while sick or not "manning up" and pushing through intolerable bullshit it's because some shadow feminist has burrowed in to their brains and is controlling him like a meat puppet.
Have you any fact to prove this is a common behavior nowadays in first-world countries?
>>79688189 I hope that person has never complained about guys grilling women for being a "fake geek girl" or whatever and telling women to get out of the hobby.
It would be maximum hypocrisy to do that and then complain about books that clearly aren't for you. Things like that, Starfire and Batgirl especially, are meant for more casual fans who won't know much more than how they are on the cartoons or don't want tons of continuity confusing them.
>>79690435 SJWs are by and large middle-class suburban white people with too much money and time in their hands. The truly oppressed minorities out there obviously wouldn't have the time to spend their whole days getting angry on twitter, getting angry on tumblr, or writing down clickbait articles on the mary sue/kotaku/cracked about why video games don't pander to them enough.
>>79690390 >Nobody outside of your circlejerk takes that idea seriously. I'm not taking that from someone who ends every other post in the most circlejerking way possible. "Buhh go back to some other website because you disagree with me, tumblr, reddit, deviantart buhhhhh" grow a spine.
>>79690398 >so I'll just say that the chief proponents of a concept determine its definitions and enactments So why are you ignoring sociological professors? Is it because you personally never listen to them and instead focus your internet attention to teenage internet girls on the internet?
>>79689625 They're not yet at the level of Western pandering to their fans. They acknowledge and respond to their supporters through extra content on the characters instead of a quirky new superheroine who is JUST LIKE YOU, GURLS.
When you're not constantly wringing your hands in worry of what the feminist icons might say of your work, you can experiment more with the roles, and even if some girls can often fall back on "feminine support" tropes, you flesh out the character within that role and make her valuable in her own way, instead of trying to twist her into a stronk indupundent womyn. Trying to appease all criticism on gender issues leads you to having the same boring female leads, whereas not caring about gender issues gives you more flexibility on where you're willing to take a character.
I guess this post can sound a bit like "muh SJWs are to blame", but I really do think comics are a lot more influenced by these topics in the media than shonen ever is (moreso when you consider all the competition in the market, can't go appealing to niches when you're trying to claw your way to the top).
>>79690524 Not him, but I see this sort of stuff a lot at our electrical engineering company.
Male employees are expected to work through everything short of lawsuit inducing injury, and if they refuse often wind up being reprimanded as a no show.
Female employees get the flu and disappear for 9 days without question.
It was like that even when I worked retail years ago. Female employees who called in sick got way more of a pass than male employees.
I remember one time when we had this insane overnight project where the employees would have to work in rotation outside in almost zero degree weather the supervisor made an asmatic male employee take 5x as many shifts as a female engineer on the team, literally to the point where he had some asthma fuck up and had to be rushed off the job site, and called the guy a pussy the next day.
>>79690626 >So why are you ignoring sociological professors? You're the one claiming I am. I'm not. The supposed "teenage internet girls on the internet" have to get their initial indoctrination from somewhere, and college is the breeding ground for a lot of these things.
>>79690928 Most people don't have the luxury of risking their job to fight stuff like that, and who do you bring it up to?
>HR, HR! They told me I couldn't stay home cause I was sick! >Yeah, and? Did you have a doctor's note saying you were unable to work? >No, but Julie was allowed to- >This is childish etc etc a nonissue etc etc investigated ourselves and found us guilty of no wrongdoing etc.
Then it gets back to you by the company seeing you as a troublemaker.
Asthma guy did quit after that shit, as he should of, cause that was extreme bullshit.
>>79689904 >working at target a year ago >Step-dad I'm very close to is killed by a semitruck making an illegal turn onto a road that leads to a highway >killed instantly >find out from a local cop who was tasked with delivering the news >had to call my mother and tell her >that was on Thursday, on Sunday I had work again, too stubborn to call out without trying first, that day was customer service >unfortunately it was mid January, so in between "people", if you could call people so absorbed in pettiness they'll raise their voice over a penny difference: people, I was left with my thoughts at the counter >not a good time, especially having to pretend their "problems" were remotely close to actual problems >next day cashiering, even more unpleasant, because now hundreds of people are asking how I'm doing, some finishing the question with how good their day is >then the bad day, Wednesday >up till 45 minutes before clock out, it was ok, but then a guy comes over. >asks how I'm doing, sheepishly say I'm ok >he asks if I'm sure, he can tell I'm not >admit I'm not ok, he asks if it's trouble at home >hit with an emotional train, destroyed the emotional barriers I put up >"y-yeah you could say that" as I fight back tears >this guy not only stopped pushing, he comforted me saying it'd get better over time. >that got me pretty square in the heart, again >after work I talked to the HR woman, she says I'm off the schedule, for two weeks of unpaid bereavement >that was Wednesday, skip to Sunday, day five of the time off >target called asking why I'm not there for my shift >explain the situation sternly, trying not to yell or hang up >"oh, ok...can you come in for your shift tomorrow?" >about to say no when: >"because we're really understaffed this week and it'd be great if you could help" I fell for it, I was too weak in the head. It was an exaggeration, only one 45 min span of time was no one else able to help ring. I got nothing out of that. It was expected. I hate them.
>Dad gets shoulder reconstruction done following a workplace injury >A few hours after surgery a nurse comes in and wakes him up and puts the phone to his head >It's his boss, demanding he get up and get in a conference call with some clients regarding a project >Tells him he needs to be in the office tomorrow now that this "shoulder bullshit" is done. >Dad's just drooling on morphine
I don't know if you've ever seen someone with a rotator cuff surgery done, but they are fucked for like 4 days afterwards and on morphine drip.
>>79691072 And I didn't just come in that one day. Oh no, I never went back on the time off, as if the fucking shits would've let me without threatening legal action. If that store burned down empty, I'd rush over instantly to dance on the ashes. Oh yeah... Before I was about to quit in May a new person started doing scheduling and managing all that, some woman from corporate. She starts enforcing a shit ton of rules to the letter, including the retarded ones that are infeasible for a store as busy as ours, such as my FAVORITE little gems >instead of being lenient with the people who drive in from over 45-60 minutes away, they'll be held to the same standard as the guy who lives within walking distance A lot worse in context, people were getting write ups for being 5 minutes off, despite coming during commute hours from 30-40 miles away. Myself included. >cart attendants must check bathrooms ever 60 minutes on the 1/2 hour mark of each hour, no matter what On a weekend day, it can take 20-30 minutes to do one two-bathroom check, and carts pile up outside, while the ones inside dissappear. I got shit for it the first time, but reminded them "I was only following the new rules". I could tell that struck a chord in a good way, but it didn't change shit. Fucking cunt still doing this shit as of this last fall. Store ain't getting better, the employees are somehow more broken down than ever. May god have mercy on their souls.
If something happens at our company, if you have the doctors papers, you can take leave. Ofc if we know there is nothing wrong with you or that even if you asked for leave, and something springs up we will call you and ask you if you can hop in and help out, but its not a big deal if you cant.
>work from 7-16 >normal day, slow day in our burnish field because winter >most people on vacation leave >oh shit .gov sponsored job springs up >notified suddenly, no preparation time >severely understaffed >work needs to be done over weekend even deep into the night breaking severall laws (we get an ok for it) >drum up workers who took leave >some cant show, some do show up >noone fucking complains and we get the job done
I dunno why so many people are pussies at work. If you don't do your job, someone else will have too. And if you take sudden leave someone will have to do double work. Im not saying you literally have to walk out of surgery into work, but fuck at least give a proper stern explanation and stand your ground.
>>79689625 >their society as I am led to believe has really regressive attitudes concerning gender Why do you think this makes their characters worse? If your entire country thinks all women are worthless whores you can say what you like about them and nobody will get angry if you make them the butt of fun. It's pedestalizing women as some sort of holy creature that kills female characters in narratives.
>>79691531 I know the feel. Only apply at same or higher venues. It's a safer bet for a job you won't hate. Worked for me. >>79691425 Forgot to add this >a few months before the accident my stepdad was shopping around for granite for some clients (he's a...god damn it, was a contractor) >the place had illegally poor straps on the granite, one snaps free and lands on, and shatters, his right ankle. >the degenerate well-off shit-fucks he was working for get all pissy a few weeks later that he hasn't finished the job, despite him stubbornly going and trying to continue with help, WITH A SHATTERED ANKLE >threaten some kind of something, but he easily pointed out how involving a court would be a loss for them >he died just as a few interested clients were contacting him in the weeks prior I hope the prissy little shits suffer a similar injury to one of their major joints, and wallow in the cruel ironies of life. It's what they deserve, at least. These three posts really got my blood flowing, I'll have to stop. G'Night
>>79691815 Yeah, isn't it great? The guy doesn't like homosexuality, but he doesn't try to push his agenda like other rightwing writers do; and if he's told to give the book some homo undertone, he will do so. THis is what a real professional is like, anon.
>>79691889 Meanwhile, in the current industry if a writer has an opposing political opinion to you, you continuously lose your shit and try to get him blacklisted then throw a hissy fit when you get ignored
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