January comic estimates up on comichron
>Unbeatable Squirrel Girl # 4 - 19,923
>Poison Ivy: Cycle of Life and Death #1 - 31,351
>these two selling more than Midnighter
Incredible? Nah, but I mean...things could be worse.
That's pretty good for Valiant, though that really says a lot about how little
faiththey had for it in the first place since apparently it's got like four more printings.
Didn't the same thing happen back at 100 as well?
>That bottom falling out of top ten
Is it me or does this seem REALLY bad?
>he doesn't know Squirrel Girl makes its money in collections and that it sells better than everything but Deadpool, Hawkeye, and Ms. Marvel.
Then what number would you consider incredible given the fact that it's a mini and they sell poorly and the fact that the title character is a Batman villain, and not one of his most famous either(Joker, Catwoman). Oh and literally who writer.
I don't get this. TPB sales are 6,261. It collects 4 issues. 4x6261 = 25,044 or about how many each issue sells the week of release. And those numbers are bad. Add onto that that it's onlu $10 as opposed to the price of all four separately and I don't see how they can justify saying it's this huge TPB success. We're talking about cancellation numbers for anything but Captain Marvel.
Month of release, so that'd imply possibly double the sales of the month. So ultimately it'd come out to a book selling in its 40s though at the same time you'd have to account for the cost of producing the TPBs.
Actually I think that's the Amazon rank.
>lowest selling inhuman book is at 25k
>lowest selling x-men book is at 47k
Only a race war can save them
I love that the industry gets this pass on releasing the actual numbers. As in, print, digital, combined total sales. Do investors get these numbers? They have to just be looking at the bottom line every quarter or so, but you'd think after the industry started shrinking they'd want to know the actual details of where the weaknesses and strengths are. And I'm not even saying USG is a weakness, for all I know it sells 9 billion digitally, I'd just be interested to know the total sales, not a bunch of outside companies estimating based on LCS purchases, amazon rank, god knows what else.
>Batman 48 100,962
Oooooh cutting it close.
I wonder if Snyder leaving will slowly kill sales
>Legend of Wonder Woman 1 25,047
This is why Diana can't have nice things.
>DC Comics Bombshells 8 21,904
That's still really good for a digital title.
I wodner if they'll let it go past 12 issues.
>09/14 Thor v5 #25 – 53,047 ( 38.4%)
>10/14 Thor v6 #1 – 150,862 ( 184.4%)
>11/14 Thor v6 #2 – 89,131 ( -40.9%)
>12/14 Thor v6 #3 – 72,563 ( -18.6%)
>01/15 Thor v6 #4 - 69,497 ( -4.2%)
>02/15 Thor v6 #5 - 69,513 ( +0.0%)
>03/15 Thor v6 #6 - 70,569 ( +1.5%)
>04/15 Thor v6 #7 - 71,372 ( +1.1%)
>05/15 Thor v6 #8 - 86,222 (+20.1%)
>11/15 Mighty Thor #1 - 112,053
>12/15 Mighty Thor #2 - 70,331
>1/8 Mighty Thor #3 - 60,345
>04/14 Amazing v3 #1 - 532,586 ( 293.1%)[23,871]
>05/14 Amazing v3 #2 - 123,945 ( -76.7%)
>06/14 Amazing v3 #3 - 109,029 ( -12.0%)
>07/14 Amazing v3 #4 - 117,917 ( 8.2%)O.Sin
>08/14 Amazing v3 #5 - 101,655 ( -13.8%)O.Sin
>09/14 Amazing v3 #6 - 93,564 ( -8.0%)
>10/14 Amazing v3 #7 - 116,051 ( 24.0%)
>10/14 Amazing v3 #8 - 99,549 ( -14.2%)
>11/14 Amazing v3 #9 - 135,280
>11/14 Amazing v3 #10 – 100,899
>12/14 Amazing v3 #11 – 104,739 ( +3.8%)
>01/15 Amazing v3 #12 – 105,458 ( +0.6%)
>01/15 Amazing v3 #13 – 103,093 ( -2.2%)
>02/15 Amazing v3 #14 – 106,778 ( +3.6%)
>02/15 Amazing v3 #15 - 99,660 ( -6.7%)
>03/15 Amazing v3 #16 - 92,289 ( -7.4%)
>04/15 Amazing v3 #17 - 99.964 ( +8.3%)
>05/15 Amazing v3 #18 - 88,338 (-11.6%)
>10/15 Amazing Spider-Man #1 - 245,873
>10/15 Amazing Spider-Man #2 - 111,322 (-54.7%)
>11/15 Amazing Spider-Man #3 - 93,848 (-15.7%)
>12/15 Amazing Spider-Man #4 - 82,066
>12/15 Amazing Spider-Man #5 - 79,122
>1/8 Amazing Spider-Man #6 - 76,517
>02/14 Ms. Marvel #1 - 50,286 ( --- )
>03/14 Ms. Marvel #2 - 38,357 (-23.7%)
>02/15 Ms. Marvel #12 – 29,054 ( -2.7%)
>03/15 Ms. Marvel #13 – 32,425 (+11.6%)
>04/15 Ms. Marvel #14 – 32,058 (- 1.1%)
>05/15 Ms. Marvel #15 – 32,185 (+ 0.4%)
>06/15 Ms. Marvel #16 – 32,855 (+ 2.1%)
>08/15 Ms. Marvel #17 – 31,567 (- 3.9%)
>09/15 Ms. Marvel #18 - 33,761 (+7.0%)
>11/15 Ms Marvel #1 - 79,222
>12/15 Ms Marvel #2 - 46,610
>1/8 Ms Marvel #3 - 32,364
Well it was close to being one of the titles the relaunched helped...
>03/15 All New Hawkeye #1 - 66,608
>04/15 All New Hawkeye #2 - 42,730 (-35.8%)
>05/15 All New Hawkeye #3 - 38,087 (-10.9%)
>07/15 All New Hawkeye #4 - 31,661 (-16.9%)
>09/15 All New Hawkeye #5 - 31,141 (- 1.6%)
>11/15 All New Hawkeye #1 - 68,933
>12/15 All New Hawkeye #2 - 35,363
>1/8 All New Hawkeye #3 - 26,913
Yikes this one was hit pretty hard. Relaunching at 5 is definitely a bad idea then?
>02/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 278,575
>03/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 107,070 (-61.6%)
>04/15 spider-Gwen #3 - 102,234 (- 4.5%)
>05/15 Spider-Gwen #4 - 86,586 (-15.3%)
>06/15 Spider-Gwen #5 - 67,697 (-21.8%)
>10/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 197,103
>11/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 62,209 (-68.4%)
>12/15 Spider-Gwen #3 - 54,844
>1/8 Spider-Gwen #4 - 48,664
Still not settling yet.
>03/14 Ir. Man #23.NOW - 43,912 ( 51.3%)
>06/14 Iron Man v6 #28 - 28,027 ( -0.9%)
>11/14 Sup. Iron Man #1 - 83,994 ( 199.7%)
>11/14 Sup. Iron Man #2 - 42,621 ( -49.3%)
>12/14 Sup. Iron Man #3 - 38,806 ( -9.0%)
>01/15 Sup. Iron Man #4 – 38,515 ( -0,7%)
>02/15 Sup. Iron Man #5 – 35,094 ( -8.9%)
>03/15 Sup. Iron Man #6 – 37,113 ( +5.8%)
>04/15 Sup. Iron Man #7 – 34,440 ( -7.2%)
>05/15 Sup. Iron Man #8 – 32,006 ( -7.3%)
>06/15 Sup. Iron Man #9 – 33,989 ( +6.2%)
>10/15 Invincible Iron Man #1 - 279,514
>10/15 Invincible Iron Man #2 - 66,664 (-76.2%)
>11/15 Invincible Iron Man #3 - 59,069 (-11.4%)
>12/15 Invincible Iron Man #4 - 57,639
>1/8 Invincible Iron Man #5 - 49,225
That's still better than some of the other relaunches.
>02/15 Silk #1 - 86,263
>03/15 Silk #2 - 69,369 (-19.6%)
>04/15 Silk #3 - 58.755 (-15.3%)
>05/15 Silk #4 - 44,316 (-24.6%)
>06/15 Silk #5 - 38,798 (-12.5%)
>08/15 Silk #6 - 34,368 (-10.7%)
>09/15 Silk #7 - 36,477 (+ 6.1%)
>11/15 Silk #1 - 57,140
>12/15 Silk #2 - 38,356
>1/8 Silk #3 - 33,102
>11/14 Spider-Woman #1 - 93,723 (Spider-Verse)
>12/14 Spider-Woman #2 - 44,618 ( -52.4%)(Spider-Verse)
>01/15 Spider-Woman #3 - 38,484 (-13.8%) (spider-Verse)
>02/15 Spider-Woman #4 - 36,058 (- 6.3%)
>03/15 Spider-Woman #5 - 40,068 (+11.1%)
>04/15 Spider-Woman #6 - 32,041 (-20.0%)
>05/15 Spider-Woman #7 - 29,567 (- 7.3%)
>06/15 Spider-Woman #8 - 26,568 (-10.1%)
>07/15 Spider-Woman #9 - 24,354 (- 8.3%)
>08/15 Spider-Woman #10- 23,005 (- 5.5%)
>11/15 Spider-Woman #1 - 53,885
>12/15 Spider-Woman #2 - 27,801
>1/8 Spider-Woman #3 - 24,054
Marvel better hope on the Spider Women crossover raising sales a lot.
>07/14 Star Lord #1 – 78,501
>08/14 Star Lord #2 – 37,109 (-52.7%)
>09/14 Star Lord #3 – 32,918 (-11.3%)
>10/14 Star Lord #4 – 37,123 ( 12.8%)
>11/14 Star Lord #5 – 36,905 ( -0.6%)
>12/14 Star Lord #6 – 32,863 (-11.0%)
>01/15 Star Lord #7 – 28,174 (-14.3%)
>01/15 Star Lord #8 – 25,227 (-10.5%)
>02/15 Star Lord #9 – 38,655 (+53.2%) B. Vortex
>03/15 Star Lord#10 – 40,836 (+ 4.5%) B. Vortex
>04/15 Star Lord#11 – 41,325 (+ 1.2%) B. Vortex
>05/15 Star Lord#12 – 25,580 (-38.1%)
>11/15 Star-Lord #1 - 47,104
>12/15 Star-Lord #2- 26,348
>1/8 Star-Lord #3- 22,698
Still not a big drop between 2-3 but still below the previous.
>Squadron Supreme 3 $3.99 Marvel 23,551
>Hercules 3 $3.99 Marvel 16,310
>Starbrand and Nightmask 2 $3.99 Marvel 11,677
>Illuminati 3 $3.99 Marvel 19,025
>07/14 Spider-Man 2099 #1 - 90,690 ( --- )
>08/14 Spider-Man 2099 #2 - 47,512 (-47.6%)
>09/14 Spider-Man 2099 #3 - 43,418 ( -8.6%)
>10/14 Spider-Man 2099 #4 - 40,755 ( -6.1%)
>10/14 Spider-Man 2099 #5 - 40,880 ( 0.3%)
>11/14 Spider-Man 2099 #6 - 38,634 ( -5.5%)
>01/15 Spider-Man 2099 #7 - 38,455 (-0.5%)
>01/15 Spider-Man 2099 #8 - 37,484 (-2.5%)
>02/15 Spider-Man 2099 #9 - 34,374 (-8.3%)
>03/15 Spider-Man 2099 #10 - 33,528 (-2.5%)
>04/15 Spider-Man 2099 #11 - 31,665 (-5.6%)
>05/15 Spider-Man 2099 #12 - 28,916 (-8.7%)
>10/15 Spider-Man 2099 #1 - 57,719
>10/15 Spider-Man 2099 #2 - 40,701 (-29.5%)
>11/15 Spider-Man 2099 #3 - 34,969 (-14.1%)
>12/15 Spider-Man 2099 #4 -32,464
>1/8 Spider-Man 2099 #5 - 28,489
Took five issues to get back down to what it was before. If it doesn't drop anymore, then no harm no foul
Yeah, Marvel really fucked up with relaunching all the books that were actually doing really well in sales. Ant-man and Thor were both doing fantastic before Secret Wars, and then the sales bottomed out with the relaunch. Spider-gwen too.
In an attempt to get new readers, they alienated all the new readers they successfully gained.
>01/15 Ant-Man #1 – 73,370
>02/15 Ant-Man #2 – 40,192 (-45.2%)
>03/15 Ant-Man #3 – 37,139 (- 7.6%)
>04/15 Ant-Man #4 – 31,637 (-14.8%)
>05/15 Ant-Man #5 – 83,095 (+162.7%)
>10/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #1 - 75,598
>11/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #2 - 31,358 (-58.5%)
>12/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #3 - 27,913
>1/8 Astonishing Ant-Man #4 - 25,768
They could have easily ridden that 83k down to #7-9, but noooooo. They relaunched and look where it got them.
Spider Gwen didn't even settle before the launch.
She's a character they want to push so badly and she IS a fad character, but no one knows how popular she really is when it comes to sales.
>01/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1 - 41,693
>02/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #2 – 24,621 (-40.9%)
>03/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #3 – 26,586 ( +8.0%)
>04/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #4 – 20,987 (-21.1%)
>05/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #5 – 20,088 (- 4.3%)
>06/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #6 – 19,341 (- 3.7%)
>07/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #7 – 19,801 (+ 2.4%)
>08/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #8 - 19,134 (- 3.4%)
>10/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1 - 43,155
>11/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #2 - 23,064 (-46.6%)
>12/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #3 - 25,350
>1/8 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #4 - 19,923
This one will probably never be popular in floppies but she's one of the few all ages books so they'll keep it going.
>01/13 New Avengers v3 # 1 - 116,280
>03/14 N Avengers #16.NOW - 48,731 ( 0.0%)
>12/14 New Avengers v3 #28 - 39,855 ( -1.4%)
>01/15 New Avengers v3 #29 - 41,116 (+3.1%) (SW prelude)
>02/15 New Avengers v3 #30 - 42,827 (+4.2%) (SW prelude)
>03/15 New Avengers v3 #31 - 44,444 (+3.8%) (SW prelude)
>03/15 New Avengers v3 #32 - 40,583 (-8.7%) (SW prelude)
>04/15 New Avengers v3 #33 - 55.437 (+36.6%) (Sw prelude) END
>10/15 New Avengers #1 - 71,243
>10/15 New Avengers #2 - 50,455 (-29.8%)
>11/15 New Avengers #3 - 41,630 (-17.5%)
>12/15 New Avengers #4 - 36,669
>1/8 New Avengers #5 - 33,010
I dunno how comparable the teams are but it's the same name and sales are pitiful compared to before.
Marvel better be praying for ANAD Avengers because it's the highest selling one at 57k still.
>02/14 Nova #13.Now – 26,147 ( 4.4%)
>03/14 Nova v5 #14 – 23,459 ( -10.3%)
>05/15 Nova v5 #31 – 18,129 ( -2.7%)
>11/15 Nova #1 - 45,536
>12/15 Nova #2 - 27,120
>1/8 Nova #3 - 23,464
If it doesn't drop again then it has a chance but it'll definitely drop again
>03/13 Guardians of Galaxy #1- 211,312
>04/15 Guardians v3 #26 - 54,124 (-12.4%)
>05/15 Guardians v3 #27 - 49,308 (- 8.9%)
>10/15 Guardians of Galaxy #1 - 118,342
>11/15 Guardians of Galaxy #2 - 51,690 (-56.3%)
>12/15 Guardians of Galaxy #3 - 53,627
>1/8 Guardians of Galaxy #4 - 46,215
3 if we go by things with avengers in the title, but since they got included in avengers zero and are in the avengers event, squad, ultimates, and a-force probably count.
>Poison Ivy Cycle of Life and Death 1 31,351
>Swamp Thing 1 29,048
>Legend of Wonder Woman 1 25,047
>Suicide Squad Most Wanted Deadshot Katana 1 21,642
>minis don't sell
>nothing but #1s and variants sell
>ongoings for c listers and below can't last 12+ issues with sustainable numbers at all
>smaller big two books and books from other publishers rarely get any outside attention after the first arc
Who's ready for nothing but #1s, events, and Star Wars?
ANAD avenger is successful with a token inhuman
For Marvel, but DC has a lower threshold. While Indies have much lower thresholds.
Black Knight was the first ANAD title cancelled but other Marvel books are selling worse. Being a sucky book can hasten cancellation.
lol Fucking Twilight Children sold more than Omega Men. At this rate Sheriff of fucking Babylon is going to outsell Omega Men too.
>Sheriff of Babylon 1 7,063
Do you think DC regrets letting it go to 12 issues now?
For DC it's like 15k-20k, especially if it's a niche title (All Star Western and Gotham Academy) or if someone like Didio likes the writer (JL3000/3001)
Marvel is pretty much the same.
But if you're like a stable low 20k title then you're probably safe.
And if you're wondering where I got the numbers for all the past launches
They even count which relaunch they count as a failed one or not.
No. The issue is that they were in a tricky situation. See, the last time they did a line-wide relaunch, they relaunched 80% of their books but left 20% with their previous numberings. The ones with their previous numberings all took a hard sales hit since everyone was buying up all the new books while ignoring the old ones, so they all got cancelled quickly.
In order to avoid that this time around, they relaunched EVERYTHING, even the stuff that shouldn't have been relaunched. This was an attempt to make it so all the books were on equal footing, but this just meant that they flooded the market with ~70 #1s, which just hurt the books that already had consistent buyers since there was more competition between books.
>Looks like Marvel fucked up and under printed this one
Marvel prints however many Diamond tells them to print. Diamond tells Marvel to print however many the LCSes told them to print.
It's on the LCSes for under ordering.
A long time ago he made Avengers bigger sellers due to putting more well known characters on it like Wolverine, kind of to make it more like the Justice League title. And even earlier he started USM which did really well.
So now marvel puts him on titles they REALLY want to push, like GOTG and now Iron Man. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple years he's writing a couple Inhumans books.
But yeah when he gets put on smaller titles they kinda flounder a bit and then he leaves. Iron Man isn't selling as much as they'd hoped if Brevoort's statements and the number of #1 variants mean anything, but if he still is selling a better than before.
I think everyone wants that and Marvel editorial is pretty anti-Rich, it seems.
So, we get endless, unresolved "My Dad's actually an alien!" plot-lines for the foreseeable future.
>Hercules 3 16,310
>Gotham Academy 14 15,023
>Catwoman 48 14,408
>Secret Six 10 13,888
>Justice League 3001 8 13,283
>We Are Robin 8 12,086
>Starbrand and Nightmask 2 11,677
>Midnighter 8 10,408
>Omega Men 8 8,864
We Are Robin took a huge hit.
And I'm guessing Omega Men is going to lose about 1k per issue now?
>We Are Robin took a huge hit.
That actually really surprised me. I was never a fan of the title, but I figured having a huge Bat-event pretty much acting as an ad for the series would have really helped.
they temporarily boost sales.
but they're missing the fact that it boosts sales compared to their standard level, and the standard sales are caused by, well, not quality but enjoyability. If you focus only on the relaunches and events you ruin the base of what builds the sttandard sales level.
And that it boosts sales because readers expect an actual change which is editorially mandated or accepted, plus variants.
-Spider-Man + Deadpool = $$$$$
-People still care about X-Men. OML and Uncanny were the highest debuts next to SM/DP for the month. The lowest-selling is Extraordinary X-Men at 47k for issues 5 and 6.
-People still care about the core Avengers books, just slightly less. ANAD and Uncanny are at 57k and 47k. If New Avengers can hold at the 33k it has with #5, it should survive.
-Other books doing well (or at least not in cancellation range yet): ASM, Thor, Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Spider-Gwen, GotG, Daredevil,
-Most books that debuted in the 60k range are hitting 25k by #3, so the 65k and 60k debuts for A-Force and Rocket & Groot ain't good.
-Silver Surfer and Captain Marvel both sold even less, but each has survived with low sales before so I expected that to happen again.
-TA Hulk is at 39k for #2. If it drops harder, expect Banner back sooner rather than later.
-Congratulations to Agents of SHIELD for the lowest debut at 35k. It'll probably get relaunched again.
-Uncanny Inhumans has 35k, All-New 25k. They should just have one Inhuman book, two is too much.
-Other books between 30-40k: Vision, Spidey, Silk, Ms. Marvel, Carnage, and (just barely) Ultimates
-Captain Falcon is sub-30k. Ouch.
-That Guardians of Infinity drop is ROUGH. Christ. 27k. Almost 100k less.
- 25-29k Danger Zone: Howard the Duck, SM 2099, Contest of Champions, AN Hawkeye, Red Wolf, Venom, Ant-Man, Scarlet Witch, and Web Warriors
-24k and Below, the Dead Zone: Spider-Woman, Nova, Star-Lord, Hellcat, Squirrel Girl (guess those trades sell well), Illuminati, Angela (already gone), Drax, Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur, Weirdworld, Black Knight (gone), Hercules, Howling Commandos (gone), Starbrand & Nightmask (11k)
>That Guardians of Infinity fall.
Bendis always wins in the end.
>all the comic news websites are talking about total marvel saturation
>no one is talking about everything selling like shit
This industry deserves to crash and hard
It'll be interesting to see how DC does when 1/3 of their line up isn't c-z listers anymore
I'm surprised they're still doing minis when they sell like shit in floppies and they don't know how well they'll sell in trades yet.
It's funny that the less numbers of Star-Lord are because of Bendis. He wanted to have current Peter all for himself for his slow as fuck first arc and forced Humphries to do this origin arc that is killing the book.
Bendis is a dick even with his own teammates. What a bald fuck.
Seriously, all my favorite books are selling like shit and will get cancelled.
Thinking of switching to creator-owned books exclusively, at least with that I know the writer will get to tell the story. I'm tired of having all my favorite cape books cancelled. If you're not into Batman or Spiderman, you're basically fucked. Nothing sells anymore.
Anon do you know about the real-estate bubble crash that we had like 8 years ago? This is more or less the same it's the capitalist cycle.
Christ, remember when we had Marvel Adventures? A whole line of all-age comics, written and drawn by people who were good at their job... fuck.
It's like how Lumberjanes is one of BOOM!'s highest-selling titles... just because it deserves to fail, doesn't mean it will.
It's a ripple effect though. Even indie creators are saying that they won't do long runs anymore because there's no payoff on their end.
are those sells from diamond to LCS or the selling from LCS to the reader, because let me tell you, there is LOT of shit getting dust in my LCS and most of that is marvel shit, except star wars.
It's so artificial it's starting to delude themselves. They actually think any book they put out will sell if it has a number 1. And now they're gonna start cancelling like fuck soon.
The stupidiest part is that the books that need help the most will probably don't have a CWII tie in. That's for Spider-Mans, Avengers or Hulk only.
I think at this point we just wait for the market to fully die and see what rises from the ashes. It doesn't seem like there's any way to save things. Probably won't take another 30 years at this rate.
It's Diamond to LCS.
We don't know how many copies LCSes actually sell.
The closest way to know how much a comic truly sells is how stable a comic is long term and without variants. Retailers try not to buy much more than necessary, but that's impossible to do for the first four issues and when there are tons of variants.
Batman and the master races sells a lot, Ms marvel went from selling (issue 1) to getting dust (issue 3). Greyson is a solid contender, he just stay there, the robin war issue wasn't a good deal to be honest, but the next issue went back to normal. Secret wars...well, issue 1 sold a lot and issue 9 sold a lot, but issues 2 to 8 sold terrible. Saga is solid, but I think they just buy it, nobody actually read it, Walking dead is solid in the numbers thanks to the tv stuff. Star wars, a lot, you could sell a blank book and put a cover of star wars and it would sell a million copies.
It can't keep going on like this, eventually some company will do something weird and it will work. Digital hasn't been the answer, but there are other ways to innovate. Someone will figure it out.
>Omega Men 8,864
>Justice League 3001 13,283
>Secret Six 13,888
>Gotham Academy 15,023
>Martian Manhunter 18,655
>Swamp Thing 29,048
Why the fuck are DC's best titles selling so bad? Seriously, what can they do at this point? They're putting out great books but no one is buying them.
Well looks like my only two Marvel pick-ups will be cancelled soon.
Digital would be much better if the issues didn't have the same fucking price as the physical.
Someone needs to kill Diamond. Digital and trades are the future, enough with the floppy variant gimmick nonsense.
>the most popular comic of today would have been instantly cancelled due to low sales back in the day
where did it all go wrong?
>Why the fuck are DC's best titles selling so bad?
Well most of them are literally whos and have literally who creative teams.
Simone is probably the most well known person writing any of those, and that book suffered greatly from delays in the first four issues. That and half of the team isn't anything like the old team.
>Seriously, what can they do at this point?
For those books? Nothing. People don't want them. They could probably advertise some of them, like Midnighter, JL 3001, and Gotham Academy, but if they don't want them by now then they never will.
For sales in general? Cancel those and replace them with books/brands/names people will want to read. Like Birds of Prey, Batwoman, Supergirl, Red Robin, etc.
Anyway this always happens. Gotham Central went on for like 40 issues but sold like shit. ASW, 30 issues and sold like shit. Gotham Academy will probably be like that.
LCS' are terrible desu, Marvel and DC should really start basing off digital sales since that implies people actually buy those comics instead of LCS' just ordering because of variants. Then again, the Big Two's main source of income these days are pretty much just variants.
>LCS being more strict about what they order
>Comics being written for TPBs
>BRING BACK PRE-52 SUPERMAN
>Superman Lois and Clark
Where are all the faggots that want pre-52 characters back now?
>mfw DC use Rebirth to bring back pre-52 Wally and Titans
>mfw they also sell like shit
Just proves all the people that STILL constantly scream for DC to bring back pre-52 don't know what they fuck they're talking about.
Digital sales aren't large enough.
Comixology is like 10-20%. Anyway Didio did say that digital sales are starting to stagnate after having years of growth. Trades are still growing and you can see them trying to hit that with OGNs.
People just like to bitch, they never have and never will buy the good books. They just find something else to complain about.
And as much as Marvel has better PR, most of their books also don't sell. Word of mouth is nothing.
>I only read the blandest books out now
I bet you think comics should adhere to a house style you faggot.
No shit, truth be told Pre52 DC was selling worse, it's just that Marvel Inflation wasn't as big back then so the numbers wren't as noticeable.
Titans Hunt is selling like 23k too.
And it's honestly the best Titans related thing in a long long looooong time. It's actually just mediocre instead of horrible. So of course it's not doing very well
It'll be interesting to see how an actual Titans ongoing does. And we all know that's inevitable.
>Where are all the faggots that want pre-52 characters back now?
God this is a retarded argument that needs to go away. People want the old characters back in their old roles, not in some side series kept in the "old universe" ghetto.
Diamond is prohibitive, but I don't think it's the main problem. It's not as if sales via bookstores are particularly significant, though as mentioned in this thread Didio says they're growing.
Even if you think that argument is bad, those people didn't buy those characters when that was the main universe either. Why would they start buying it if DC went back? Sales were bad then too.
>>lol it's not a monopoly because comic books
Man, this shit pisses me off so much. It didn't use to be like this but now all that's left is Diamond, and that's... atrocious, really. No wonder the market is in such bad shape.
kill diamond, start selling books outside the fucking english speakers countrys (USA/UK), latinamerican market loves DC comics, why the fuck instead of just selling the rights to another publishing company they don't just start selling shit in spanish?
That's what I worried about.
Oh shit, that means someone lied to me on the internet last night! Does that happen, is that a thing?
Or Anon was telling the truth and the numbers fluctuate that much.
X-Men are selling the lowest in the history of the franchise, I don't think Uncanny or the main X-Men book has ever been this low, but they are still selling better than most of what Marvel is trying to push ahead of them.
>top of the chart
>#1's and Star Wars
The industry is doomed.
As doomed as things look from a month-month perspective
Year-Year paints a different picture
The comics industry has actually been growing pretty steadily.
>Star Wars: The Dark Knight Awakens #1
>by John Ostrander and Jan Duursema
>or by Corinna Bechko and Gabriel Hardman
>Checking the 90s database
mfw, the x-men used to sale a lot, a shit ton load, anything with the x-men sold.
>>Spawn used to sell really well
>>Image used to have a lot of books sellin over 100k
Darkness 11 Image 357,006
Fathom 1 $2.50 Image 257,087
Tomb Raider 1 Image 189,455
what the actual fuck?
From what I've seen DC gets some of the highest spots, minus events and relaunches from both. But Marvel has more of the top spots.
But Star Wars is taking over and I'm telling you guys this is bad for Marvel.
Well the reason is that there are a lot more comics being produced and they cost more. Plus there are a lot more #1's and variant covers being made to inflate those sales too. So sales are up but it isn't as healthy a market I think.
Well sorry for the insta-rage then. Just about every time someone talks about them changing Dick they seem to mean it as a negative thing. Like Nightwing has had any good stories in recent memory.
It's a Carnage book that also features Eddie Brock not as Venom and Man-Wolf written by a guy whose big time in the industry was the 70s and was last relevant in the 80s that has more of a slow horror vibe to it. I'd say that's really fucking good considering.
Not just that but EVERYTHING seems to have dropped down to either what it was doing right before the relaunch or even less. ANAD is going to go down as one of the biggest missteps Marvel has ever done; it's a failure by any measure and it seems to have actively harmed sales. Maybe relaunch fatigue is setting in.
Amazon best-selling list floats hourly, but Midnighter has been a good preorder seller.
Pic from a few days ago. It was the second best-selling DCU preorder book, only losing to Batman.
What does it say about Iron Man that the highest selling Iron Man comic in years is in the 40,000s? People like movie Iron Man but RDJ's charisma is what sells him and that doesn't translate to the page.
Are we having a cancellation discussion or just a performance one? It's pretty much a given the book will be cancelled with the May solicits. Just be happy Orlando said Middy will show up with the Rebirth stuff.
Well obviously the early volumes of a series are going to sell better than the later unless there is some big creative team change in the middle. Though even in those cases some companies will start the volume # over again at 1 with a big creative team change even if they didn't renumber the floppies. Like the recent Batgirl book.
>Doing another MAJOR WORLDCHANGING EVENT not even a year after the relaunch.
>It's a rehash of a previous event
>It's HEROES AGAINST HEROES again too
As long as my homegirl Kamala doesn't get dragged into this shit I'm cool but still.
>She totally will be.
they should make an event were a bunch of heroes and villains are turned into the opposite sex
>DC having like over a dozen books at 20k or below
>said books are the better ones
>Marvel books already at or below where they were before the relaunch by #3
>many ANAD books are even below where they were before
>Batman at 100k even
This is terrible. Everything about this is terrible.
The Carol Corps are starting to get their first major taste of event character assassination, so it'll be interesting to see how Kamala is handled if she's in it.
>yfw her mom doesn't let her take part in the event
Depends how well the DCEU is received. MCU boosted the hell out of Marvel's sales and Nolan's trilogy probably really helped Batman (don't have the numbers in front of me) but I doubt MoS really helped Superman that much.
I'm sure All trinity related titles will at least get a temporary boost when BvS comes out though.
I cannot describe how angry I am.
>They could have easily ridden that 83k down to #7-9, but noooooo.
Jumping from 30k to 80k for one issue isn't normal, it means the attraction was a gimmick. It would have gone right back to 30k or upper 29k the following issue.
>Doc Strange staying above 50k
I'm okay with this. Aaron sucks but I want the title to keep going so we can eventually get a good creative team.
Full charts in image form.
Line graphs for ANAD Marvel and DCYou later.
>Devolution outsold Howling Commandos
>Ice King outsold Omega Men
>The final sales report for January is out from Diamond Comic Distributors, and as reported here on Friday, the first month of the year was slightly off versus the same month in 2015, when statistics for several categories of that month were inflated by Loot Crate sales of Star Wars #1.
>While the comparatives were part of the story, looking at the internals makes this January look less impressive than at first glance. We can now see that while graphic novel wholesale dollars were off 7.77% overall, according to Diamond, the total retail value of the Top 300 was actually up 20%. That points to something we can see by looking at the dollar rankings: there was heavy discounting of graphic novels in the month.
>Many Marvel graphic novels in the Top 300, for example, had dollar volume rankings far lower than their unit rankings: Diamond does dollar rankings based on money it receives from retailers. This is a common enough occurrence, but in this month these sales accounted for a disproportionate share of the market.
>January often tends to have a punier release slate than other months, meaning lower-selling titles make the Top 300; this month's 300th place title sold 4,028 copies, the lowest sum since June 2012.
>On the other hand, some perspective: Five years ago, January 2011 was the pits. The Top 300 comics sold 4.4 million copies, likely the lowest sum since the 1930s. There were a couple of reasons: it was the bottom of the comics slump pre-DC reboot, but it was also a month where publishers shipped extremely few titles to market. The market ordered more than 2 million more comics this January, and publishers are releasing more, now, too: 719 new comics and graphic novels versus 555 five years ago. That shows a market with more breadth.
>And eight titles had six-figure sales this January, led by Walking Dead #150 with orders topping 156,000 copies. Compare that with one title in six figures five years ago, and that at 115,000 copies.
Current DCU trade preorders (Amazon). Midnighter almost outselling Batman:
Batman by Scott Snyder & Greg Capullo (#4,190)
Batman Vol. 8 (#16,530)
Midnighter Vol. 1 (#18,854)
Justice League Vol. 7 (#27,011)
Batman & Robin Eternal Vol. 1 (#36,761)
Constantine: The Hellblazer Vol. 1 (#46,743)
Batman & Robin Eternal Vol. 2 (#47,823)
Omega Men: The Complete Series (#48,282)
Justice League Vol. 8 (#50,858)
Harley Quinn and Power Girl (#54,326)
Martian Manhunter Vol. 1 (#57,265)
We Are Robin Vol. 1 (#66,003)
Deathstroke Vol. 2 (#69,110)
Gotham Academy Vol. 2 (#71,678)
Black Canary Vol. 1 (#71,909)
New Suicide Squad Vol. 3 (#77,863)
Harley Quinn Vol. 4 (#98,483)
Grayson Vol. 3 (#102,459)
Batman Beyond Vol. 1 (#109,411)
Robin War (#109,766)
Gotham by Midnight Vol. 2 (#149,188)
Starfire Vol. 1 (#153,536)
Detective Comics Vol. 8 (#160,229)
Red Hood/Arsenal Vol. 1 (#173,733)
Catwoman Vol. 7 (#179,864)
Robin: Son of Batman Vol. 1 (#182,989)
Green Lantern Corps: Lost Army Vol. 1 (#193,698)
Justice League 3001 Vol. 1 (#203,258)
Sinestro Vol. 3 (#224,382)
Batgirl Vol. 3 (#225,463)
Green Lantern Vol. 7 (#231,414)
Constantine: The Hellblazer Vol. 2 (#245,780)
All-Star Section Eight (#253,865)
Cyborg Vol. 1 (#255,055)
Secret Six Vol. 4 (#261,542)
Green Arrow Vol. 8 (#297,795)
Earth 2: Society Vol. 1 (#299,652)
Aquaman Vol. 7 (#395,938)
Superman/Wonder Woman Vol. 4 (#402,028)
Action Comics Vol. 8 (#414,896)
Justice League of America Vol. 1 (#433,802)
Superman Vol. 1 (#457,368)
The Flash Vol. 8 (#471,802)
Wonder Woman Vol. 8 (#544,139)
Batman/Superman Vol. 5 (#564,555)
Doctor Fate Vol. 1 (#678,955)
Lobo Vol. 2 (#762,286)
>Omega Men finally at the eighth place
>tons of nerd tears will surely be shed when Midnighter will be cancelled at the completion of the second arc or its physical sales fall to four digits
A few months ago they did say they realized that the audience they were going for were more likely to buy trades.
So depends on whether they knew that before they launched the books or after they saw the majority of them were failing.