January comic estimates up on comichron http://www.comichro

>that top 10
>Marvel still trying to kill the market

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>174 Midnighter 10,408

Why are comics readers so shit?

>>79684065
>Angela Queen of Hel 4 18,917
Ohhh boy.

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>Poison Ivy: Cycle of Life and Death #1 - 31,351

Ouch

>>79684295
That's incredible considering it's a mini.

>Faith
>22,020

>>79684314

To be honest I expected more. Considering that the fanbase on Twitter was claiming for a Ivy title for years. But eh

>>79684165
No everyone is a raging faggot for Batman clone

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>>79684065
>>79684202
>these two selling more than Midnighter

>Walking Dead outsold Secret Wars

I know it's a milestone number but fuck, that's just weird to me.

>>79684334
>To be honest I expected more.
Do you not live in this world?

>>79684359
I am just stupidly optimistic. I can help it

>carnage issue 4 is 31k

Is that bad ? i dont want it cancelled

>Omega Men 8 8,864

It just keeps dropping.

>>79684314
Incredible? Nah, but I mean...things could be worse.
>>79684322
That's pretty good for Valiant, though that really says a lot about how little faith they had for it in the first place since apparently it's got like four more printings.
>>79684346
Didn't the same thing happen back at 100 as well?

>That bottom falling out of top ten
Is it me or does this seem REALLY bad?

>>79684065
>cancellation never

R.I.P DC. I loved you the most :(

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>>79684065
>he doesn't know Squirrel Girl makes its money in collections and that it sells better than everything but Deadpool, Hawkeye, and Ms. Marvel.

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>>79684401
Then what number would you consider incredible given the fact that it's a mini and they sell poorly and the fact that the title character is a Batman villain, and not one of his most famous either(Joker, Catwoman). Oh and literally who writer.

>>79684445
Let us hope anon.

>>79684383
It's pretty sound if it stays at those numbers

>>79684542
It's getting a second printing too I believe

>>79684445
I don't get this. TPB sales are 6,261. It collects 4 issues. 4x6261 = 25,044 or about how many each issue sells the week of release. And those numbers are bad. Add onto that that it's onlu $10 as opposed to the price of all four separately and I don't see how they can justify saying it's this huge TPB success. We're talking about cancellation numbers for anything but Captain Marvel.

>>79684065
ugh.. could you just.... not???

>>79684343
>CQC Bro
nice trollpost

>>79684339
>Middy hater can't even spell
Can't say I'm surprised.

>>79685852
I'm pretty sure that's tpb sales to LCS stores, it doesn't count bookstores like Amazon or brick retailers which are presumably higher

>>79685852
Month of release, so that'd imply possibly double the sales of the month. So ultimately it'd come out to a book selling in its 40s though at the same time you'd have to account for the cost of producing the TPBs.

>>79686100
Actually I think that's the Amazon rank.

I hope Vision #1 reprinting worked...

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>>79684065
>lowest selling inhuman book is at 25k
>lowest selling x-men book is at 47k

Only a race war can save them

Weisman is on the chopping block

>>79686100
>>79686153
I love that the industry gets this pass on releasing the actual numbers. As in, print, digital, combined total sales. Do investors get these numbers? They have to just be looking at the bottom line every quarter or so, but you'd think after the industry started shrinking they'd want to know the actual details of where the weaknesses and strengths are. And I'm not even saying USG is a weakness, for all I know it sells 9 billion digitally, I'd just be interested to know the total sales, not a bunch of outside companies estimating based on LCS purchases, amazon rank, god knows what else.

Power Rangers #1 might make the top 10 next month then.

>>79684065
>Batman 48 100,962
Oooooh cutting it close.
I wonder if Snyder leaving will slowly kill sales

>Legend of Wonder Woman 1 25,047
This is why Diana can't have nice things.

>DC Comics Bombshells 8 21,904
That's still really good for a digital title.
I wodner if they'll let it go past 12 issues.

>09/14 Thor v5 #25 – 53,047 ( 38.4%)
>10/14 Thor v6 #1 – 150,862 ( 184.4%)
>11/14 Thor v6 #2 – 89,131 ( -40.9%)
>12/14 Thor v6 #3 – 72,563 ( -18.6%)
>01/15 Thor v6 #4 - 69,497 ( -4.2%)
>02/15 Thor v6 #5 - 69,513 ( +0.0%)
>03/15 Thor v6 #6 - 70,569 ( +1.5%)
>04/15 Thor v6 #7 - 71,372 ( +1.1%)
>05/15 Thor v6 #8 - 86,222 (+20.1%)
...
>11/15 Mighty Thor #1 - 112,053
>12/15 Mighty Thor #2 - 70,331
>1/8 Mighty Thor #3 - 60,345

>04/14 Amazing v3 #1 - 532,586 ( 293.1%)[23,871]
>05/14 Amazing v3 #2 - 123,945 ( -76.7%)
>06/14 Amazing v3 #3 - 109,029 ( -12.0%)
>07/14 Amazing v3 #4 - 117,917 ( 8.2%)O.Sin
>08/14 Amazing v3 #5 - 101,655 ( -13.8%)O.Sin
>09/14 Amazing v3 #6 - 93,564 ( -8.0%)
>10/14 Amazing v3 #7 - 116,051 ( 24.0%)
>10/14 Amazing v3 #8 - 99,549 ( -14.2%)
>11/14 Amazing v3 #9 - 135,280
>11/14 Amazing v3 #10 – 100,899
>12/14 Amazing v3 #11 – 104,739 ( +3.8%)
>01/15 Amazing v3 #12 – 105,458 ( +0.6%)
>01/15 Amazing v3 #13 – 103,093 ( -2.2%)
>02/15 Amazing v3 #14 – 106,778 ( +3.6%)
>02/15 Amazing v3 #15 - 99,660 ( -6.7%)
>03/15 Amazing v3 #16 - 92,289 ( -7.4%)
>04/15 Amazing v3 #17 - 99.964 ( +8.3%)
>05/15 Amazing v3 #18 - 88,338 (-11.6%)
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>10/15 Amazing Spider-Man #1 - 245,873
>10/15 Amazing Spider-Man #2 - 111,322 (-54.7%)
>11/15 Amazing Spider-Man #3 - 93,848 (-15.7%)
>12/15 Amazing Spider-Man #4 - 82,066
>12/15 Amazing Spider-Man #5 - 79,122
>1/8 Amazing Spider-Man #6 - 76,517

>>79687462
>Slott writing shit
>Sales are up
>Slott writing something moderately interesting
>Sales are down

What a weird world.

>>79687462
Yeah, nobody seems to care about Slott's Spider-Man nowadays for some reason, heh. I guess people stopped falling for his gimmicky bullshit.

>02/14 Ms. Marvel #1 - 50,286 ( --- )
>03/14 Ms. Marvel #2 - 38,357 (-23.7%)
...
>02/15 Ms. Marvel #12 – 29,054 ( -2.7%)
>03/15 Ms. Marvel #13 – 32,425 (+11.6%)
>04/15 Ms. Marvel #14 – 32,058 (- 1.1%)
>05/15 Ms. Marvel #15 – 32,185 (+ 0.4%)
>06/15 Ms. Marvel #16 – 32,855 (+ 2.1%)
07/15 ---
>08/15 Ms. Marvel #17 – 31,567 (- 3.9%)
>09/15 Ms. Marvel #18 - 33,761 (+7.0%)
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>11/15 Ms Marvel #1 - 79,222
>12/15 Ms Marvel #2 - 46,610
>1/8 Ms Marvel #3 - 32,364

Well it was close to being one of the titles the relaunched helped...

>03/15 All New Hawkeye #1 - 66,608
>04/15 All New Hawkeye #2 - 42,730 (-35.8%)
>05/15 All New Hawkeye #3 - 38,087 (-10.9%)
>06/15 ---
>07/15 All New Hawkeye #4 - 31,661 (-16.9%)
>08/15 ---
>09/15 All New Hawkeye #5 - 31,141 (- 1.6%)
>10/15 ---
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>11/15 All New Hawkeye #1 - 68,933
>12/15 All New Hawkeye #2 - 35,363
>1/8 All New Hawkeye #3 - 26,913

Yikes this one was hit pretty hard. Relaunching at 5 is definitely a bad idea then?

>02/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 278,575
>03/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 107,070 (-61.6%)
>04/15 spider-Gwen #3 - 102,234 (- 4.5%)
>05/15 Spider-Gwen #4 - 86,586 (-15.3%)
>06/15 Spider-Gwen #5 - 67,697 (-21.8%)
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>10/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 197,103
>11/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 62,209 (-68.4%)
>12/15 Spider-Gwen #3 - 54,844
>1/8 Spider-Gwen #4 - 48,664

Still not settling yet.

>232 Dr Mirage Second Lives 2 $3.99 Valiant 6,046

It's OK baby, we both know you're the best comic being published.

>03/14 Ir. Man #23.NOW - 43,912 ( 51.3%)
...
>06/14 Iron Man v6 #28 - 28,027 ( -0.9%)
>11/14 Sup. Iron Man #1 - 83,994 ( 199.7%)
>11/14 Sup. Iron Man #2 - 42,621 ( -49.3%)
>12/14 Sup. Iron Man #3 - 38,806 ( -9.0%)
>01/15 Sup. Iron Man #4 – 38,515 ( -0,7%)
>02/15 Sup. Iron Man #5 – 35,094 ( -8.9%)
>03/15 Sup. Iron Man #6 – 37,113 ( +5.8%)
>04/15 Sup. Iron Man #7 – 34,440 ( -7.2%)
>05/15 Sup. Iron Man #8 – 32,006 ( -7.3%)
>06/15 Sup. Iron Man #9 – 33,989 ( +6.2%)
...
>10/15 Invincible Iron Man #1 - 279,514
>10/15 Invincible Iron Man #2 - 66,664 (-76.2%)
>11/15 Invincible Iron Man #3 - 59,069 (-11.4%)
>12/15 Invincible Iron Man #4 - 57,639
>1/8 Invincible Iron Man #5 - 49,225

That's still better than some of the other relaunches.

>>79687754
Why do people claim Bendis sells? It's so obviously untrue.

>02/15 Silk #1 - 86,263
>03/15 Silk #2 - 69,369 (-19.6%)
>04/15 Silk #3 - 58.755 (-15.3%)
>05/15 Silk #4 - 44,316 (-24.6%)
>06/15 Silk #5 - 38,798 (-12.5%)
>07/15 ---
>08/15 Silk #6 - 34,368 (-10.7%)
>09/15 Silk #7 - 36,477 (+ 6.1%)
>10/15 ---
>11/15 Silk #1 - 57,140
>12/15 Silk #2 - 38,356
>1/8 Silk #3 - 33,102

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>11/14 Spider-Woman #1 - 93,723 (Spider-Verse)
>12/14 Spider-Woman #2 - 44,618 ( -52.4%)(Spider-Verse)
>01/15 Spider-Woman #3 - 38,484 (-13.8%) (spider-Verse)
>02/15 Spider-Woman #4 - 36,058 (- 6.3%)
>03/15 Spider-Woman #5 - 40,068 (+11.1%)
>04/15 Spider-Woman #6 - 32,041 (-20.0%)
>05/15 Spider-Woman #7 - 29,567 (- 7.3%)
>06/15 Spider-Woman #8 - 26,568 (-10.1%)
>07/15 Spider-Woman #9 - 24,354 (- 8.3%)
>08/15 Spider-Woman #10- 23,005 (- 5.5%)
>9/15 ---
>10/15 ---
>11/15 Spider-Woman #1 - 53,885
>12/15 Spider-Woman #2 - 27,801
>1/8 Spider-Woman #3 - 24,054

Marvel better hope on the Spider Women crossover raising sales a lot.

MARVEL BOYS WE IN THERE

>07/14 Star Lord #1 – 78,501
>08/14 Star Lord #2 – 37,109 (-52.7%)
>09/14 Star Lord #3 – 32,918 (-11.3%)
>10/14 Star Lord #4 – 37,123 ( 12.8%)
>11/14 Star Lord #5 – 36,905 ( -0.6%)
>12/14 Star Lord #6 – 32,863 (-11.0%)
>01/15 Star Lord #7 – 28,174 (-14.3%)
>01/15 Star Lord #8 – 25,227 (-10.5%)
>02/15 Star Lord #9 – 38,655 (+53.2%) B. Vortex
>03/15 Star Lord#10 – 40,836 (+ 4.5%) B. Vortex
>04/15 Star Lord#11 – 41,325 (+ 1.2%) B. Vortex
>05/15 Star Lord#12 – 25,580 (-38.1%)
---
>11/15 Star-Lord #1 - 47,104
>12/15 Star-Lord #2- 26,348
>1/8 Star-Lord #3- 22,698

Still not a big drop between 2-3 but still below the previous.

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>>79684065
>Squadron Supreme 3 $3.99 Marvel 23,551
>Hercules 3 $3.99 Marvel 16,310
>Starbrand and Nightmask 2 $3.99 Marvel 11,677
>Illuminati 3 $3.99 Marvel 19,025

>07/14 Spider-Man 2099 #1 - 90,690 ( --- )
>08/14 Spider-Man 2099 #2 - 47,512 (-47.6%)
>09/14 Spider-Man 2099 #3 - 43,418 ( -8.6%)
>10/14 Spider-Man 2099 #4 - 40,755 ( -6.1%)
>10/14 Spider-Man 2099 #5 - 40,880 ( 0.3%)
>11/14 Spider-Man 2099 #6 - 38,634 ( -5.5%)
>---
>01/15 Spider-Man 2099 #7 - 38,455 (-0.5%)
>01/15 Spider-Man 2099 #8 - 37,484 (-2.5%)
>02/15 Spider-Man 2099 #9 - 34,374 (-8.3%)
>03/15 Spider-Man 2099 #10 - 33,528 (-2.5%)
>04/15 Spider-Man 2099 #11 - 31,665 (-5.6%)
>05/15 Spider-Man 2099 #12 - 28,916 (-8.7%)
-------------
>10/15 Spider-Man 2099 #1 - 57,719
>10/15 Spider-Man 2099 #2 - 40,701 (-29.5%)
>11/15 Spider-Man 2099 #3 - 34,969 (-14.1%)
>12/15 Spider-Man 2099 #4 -32,464
>1/8 Spider-Man 2099 #5 - 28,489

Took five issues to get back down to what it was before. If it doesn't drop anymore, then no harm no foul

>>79686161
Well it was packaged in a comic that sold 133k issues. At the very least, a lot of people will have read it.

>>79687362
Yeah, Marvel really fucked up with relaunching all the books that were actually doing really well in sales. Ant-man and Thor were both doing fantastic before Secret Wars, and then the sales bottomed out with the relaunch. Spider-gwen too.

In an attempt to get new readers, they alienated all the new readers they successfully gained.

>>79687858
>it's so obviously untrue
>his Iron Man is the highest selling Iron Man in years
Que?

>01/15 Ant-Man #1 – 73,370
>02/15 Ant-Man #2 – 40,192 (-45.2%)
>03/15 Ant-Man #3 – 37,139 (- 7.6%)
>04/15 Ant-Man #4 – 31,637 (-14.8%)
>05/15 Ant-Man #5 – 83,095 (+162.7%)
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>10/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #1 - 75,598
>11/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #2 - 31,358 (-58.5%)
>12/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #3 - 27,913
>1/8 Astonishing Ant-Man #4 - 25,768

They could have easily ridden that 83k down to #7-9, but noooooo. They relaunched and look where it got them.

>>79688212
>Spider-gwen too.
Spider Gwen didn't even settle before the launch.
She's a character they want to push so badly and she IS a fad character, but no one knows how popular she really is when it comes to sales.
see >>79687653

>>79688254
>>79688212
Would this end up causing whoever suggested that the books be relaunched be fired?

>16. Deadpool #6

This comic was sold out from Diamond and already selling for 3 times its cover price. Looks like Marvel fucked up and under printed this one. Several printings incoming.

are the x-men okay ?

>>79688333
They're fine, when everything has low sales the x-men are still the highest of the low.

>01/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1 - 41,693
>02/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #2 – 24,621 (-40.9%)
>03/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #3 – 26,586 ( +8.0%)
>04/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #4 – 20,987 (-21.1%)
>05/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #5 – 20,088 (- 4.3%)
>06/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #6 – 19,341 (- 3.7%)
>07/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #7 – 19,801 (+ 2.4%)
>08/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #8 - 19,134 (- 3.4%)
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>10/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1 - 43,155
>11/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #2 - 23,064 (-46.6%)
>12/15 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #3 - 25,350
>1/8 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #4 - 19,923

This one will probably never be popular in floppies but she's one of the few all ages books so they'll keep it going.

>>79688090
All shitty books so who cares

>>79687754
the numbers drop. good.

ah, X-Men pawning the rest of marvel properties.
feels good

>01/13 New Avengers v3 # 1 - 116,280
>...
>03/14 N Avengers #16.NOW - 48,731 ( 0.0%)
>...
>12/14 New Avengers v3 #28 - 39,855 ( -1.4%)
>01/15 New Avengers v3 #29 - 41,116 (+3.1%) (SW prelude)
>02/15 New Avengers v3 #30 - 42,827 (+4.2%) (SW prelude)
>03/15 New Avengers v3 #31 - 44,444 (+3.8%) (SW prelude)
>03/15 New Avengers v3 #32 - 40,583 (-8.7%) (SW prelude)
>04/15 New Avengers v3 #33 - 55.437 (+36.6%) (Sw prelude) END
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>10/15 New Avengers #1 - 71,243
>10/15 New Avengers #2 - 50,455 (-29.8%)
>11/15 New Avengers #3 - 41,630 (-17.5%)
>12/15 New Avengers #4 - 36,669
>1/8 New Avengers #5 - 33,010

I dunno how comparable the teams are but it's the same name and sales are pitiful compared to before.
Marvel better be praying for ANAD Avengers because it's the highest selling one at 57k still.

>>79688537
I wouldn't be surprised, if they added Laura to Avengers.

>>79687515
>>79687493
I wonder how much adding the Miles-Man, 2099, Gwen and Spidey books affected it as well, maybe there is just spider fatigue? Eh, I don't know.

>02/14 Nova #13.Now – 26,147 ( 4.4%)
>03/14 Nova v5 #14 – 23,459 ( -10.3%)
...
>05/15 Nova v5 #31 – 18,129 ( -2.7%)

>11/15 Nova #1 - 45,536
>12/15 Nova #2 - 27,120
>1/8 Nova #3 - 23,464

If it doesn't drop again then it has a chance but it'll definitely drop again

>>79688632
>that feel when I've been enjoying Sam

They should just have Rich show up so him and Sam can buddy up instead of this whole Sam's Dad bullshit.

>>79688563
>muties in avengers outside of uncanny
Give them an inch and they will ask for a mile

>03/13 Guardians of Galaxy #1- 211,312
>…
>04/15 Guardians v3 #26 - 54,124 (-12.4%)
>05/15 Guardians v3 #27 - 49,308 (- 8.9%)
-----------------
>10/15 Guardians of Galaxy #1 - 118,342
>11/15 Guardians of Galaxy #2 - 51,690 (-56.3%)
>12/15 Guardians of Galaxy #3 - 53,627
>1/8 Guardians of Galaxy #4 - 46,215

Hmm

>>79688537
how many avengers titles are there now?

>>79688716
GotG were a fad. WERE

>>79684383
30k is perfectly fine, if it dropps under 25k then it might be on the chopping block.

>>79688699
>implying avengers can be successful without a token mutant
>ever

So how many copies does a book have to sell to be relatively safe from cancellation? 25k?

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>>79688733
3 if we go by things with avengers in the title, but since they got included in avengers zero and are in the avengers event, squad, ultimates, and a-force probably count.

>Poison Ivy Cycle of Life and Death 1 31,351
>Swamp Thing 1 29,048
>Legend of Wonder Woman 1 25,047
>Suicide Squad Most Wanted Deadshot Katana 1 21,642

Ouch

>minis don't sell
>nothing but #1s and variants sell
>ongoings for c listers and below can't last 12+ issues with sustainable numbers at all
>smaller big two books and books from other publishers rarely get any outside attention after the first arc

Who's ready for nothing but #1s, events, and Star Wars?

so one punch man sold only 2k something copies while in france the first volume sold 90k+

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>>79688781
ANAD avenger is successful with a token inhuman

It depends on what marvel wants and if it looks to be falling without end. The runaways volume 2 or 3 sold 23k but it stayed there for 2 years without going down.

>>79688412
Those numbers are so depressingly high.

>>79688806

For Marvel, but DC has a lower threshold. While Indies have much lower thresholds.

Black Knight was the first ANAD title cancelled but other Marvel books are selling worse. Being a sucky book can hasten cancellation.

>>79688878
oh yeah, I forgot about cuckmala.
I wonder how long, before people turn against muslims

Still, don't underestimate nigga-man

>>79688886
meant for>>79688806
also digital, and trade sales can save it.

>>79688855
Posion Ivy sold out and Swamp Thing sold 29.000 copies. Not so bad. Will probably check em both.

>>79688537
New NA is more like Mighty Avengers or Avengers World than previous NA.

lol Fucking Twilight Children sold more than Omega Men. At this rate Sheriff of fucking Babylon is going to outsell Omega Men too.

>Sheriff of Babylon 1 7,063
M-maybe not...
Do you think DC regrets letting it go to 12 issues now?

>>79688806
For DC it's like 15k-20k, especially if it's a niche title (All Star Western and Gotham Academy) or if someone like Didio likes the writer (JL3000/3001)
Marvel is pretty much the same.

But if you're like a stable low 20k title then you're probably safe.

>At this rate Sheriff of fucking Babylon is going to outsell Omega Men too.

Well, unlike Omega Men, Sheriff is actually good.

>>79688537
Wasn't the last new avengers hickvengers? That had time runs out and secret wars behind it.

And if you're wondering where I got the numbers for all the past launches

http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-month-month-sales-november-2015-the-emptiness-of-relaunches/

They even count which relaunch they count as a failed one or not.

>>79688319
No. The issue is that they were in a tricky situation. See, the last time they did a line-wide relaunch, they relaunched 80% of their books but left 20% with their previous numberings. The ones with their previous numberings all took a hard sales hit since everyone was buying up all the new books while ignoring the old ones, so they all got cancelled quickly.

In order to avoid that this time around, they relaunched EVERYTHING, even the stuff that shouldn't have been relaunched. This was an attempt to make it so all the books were on equal footing, but this just meant that they flooded the market with ~70 #1s, which just hurt the books that already had consistent buyers since there was more competition between books.

>>79688325
>Looks like Marvel fucked up and under printed this one
Marvel prints however many Diamond tells them to print. Diamond tells Marvel to print however many the LCSes told them to print.

It's on the LCSes for under ordering.

>>79688537
>worst Avengers book is the highest selling
Of fucking course.

>>79689066
It's like relaunches are horrible in general

>>79687858
A long time ago he made Avengers bigger sellers due to putting more well known characters on it like Wolverine, kind of to make it more like the Justice League title. And even earlier he started USM which did really well.

So now marvel puts him on titles they REALLY want to push, like GOTG and now Iron Man. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple years he's writing a couple Inhumans books.

But yeah when he gets put on smaller titles they kinda flounder a bit and then he leaves. Iron Man isn't selling as much as they'd hoped if Brevoort's statements and the number of #1 variants mean anything, but if he still is selling a better than before.

>>79688686
I think everyone wants that and Marvel editorial is pretty anti-Rich, it seems.
So, we get endless, unresolved "My Dad's actually an alien!" plot-lines for the foreseeable future.

>>79687539
It's exactly at the same sales levels.
Unless people magically shifted to electronic sales instead. Or do as anon does, and mooch the floppies, then wait for trade.

>Hercules 3 16,310
>Gotham Academy 14 15,023
>Catwoman 48 14,408
>Secret Six 10 13,888
>Justice League 3001 8 13,283
>We Are Robin 8 12,086
>Starbrand and Nightmask 2 11,677
>Midnighter 8 10,408
>Omega Men 8 8,864

Ouch
We Are Robin took a huge hit.
And I'm guessing Omega Men is going to lose about 1k per issue now?

>>79684346
it also costs 2 dollars less

>>79690930
>We Are Robin took a huge hit.

That actually really surprised me. I was never a fan of the title, but I figured having a huge Bat-event pretty much acting as an ad for the series would have really helped.

>>79688090
>Starbrand and Nightmask 2 $3.99 Marvel 11,677

yikes

>>79691033
The tie in was like 25k

>>79689528
they temporarily boost sales.
but they're missing the fact that it boosts sales compared to their standard level, and the standard sales are caused by, well, not quality but enjoyability. If you focus only on the relaunches and events you ruin the base of what builds the sttandard sales level.
And that it boosts sales because readers expect an actual change which is editorially mandated or accepted, plus variants.

>A-Force #1 at 65k
Not great, but oh well.
At least it's not Starbrand and Nightmask!

>>79691276
They've killed the industry, there's basically no point in subscribing to a book when literally everything is a stealth mini. No long term payoff.

>>79684065
Marvel shit
-Spider-Man + Deadpool = $$$$$
-People still care about X-Men. OML and Uncanny were the highest debuts next to SM/DP for the month. The lowest-selling is Extraordinary X-Men at 47k for issues 5 and 6.
-People still care about the core Avengers books, just slightly less. ANAD and Uncanny are at 57k and 47k. If New Avengers can hold at the 33k it has with #5, it should survive.
-Other books doing well (or at least not in cancellation range yet): ASM, Thor, Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Spider-Gwen, GotG, Daredevil,
-Most books that debuted in the 60k range are hitting 25k by #3, so the 65k and 60k debuts for A-Force and Rocket & Groot ain't good.
-Silver Surfer and Captain Marvel both sold even less, but each has survived with low sales before so I expected that to happen again.
-TA Hulk is at 39k for #2. If it drops harder, expect Banner back sooner rather than later.
-Congratulations to Agents of SHIELD for the lowest debut at 35k. It'll probably get relaunched again.
-Uncanny Inhumans has 35k, All-New 25k. They should just have one Inhuman book, two is too much.
-Other books between 30-40k: Vision, Spidey, Silk, Ms. Marvel, Carnage, and (just barely) Ultimates
-Captain Falcon is sub-30k. Ouch.
-That Guardians of Infinity drop is ROUGH. Christ. 27k. Almost 100k less.
- 25-29k Danger Zone: Howard the Duck, SM 2099, Contest of Champions, AN Hawkeye, Red Wolf, Venom, Ant-Man, Scarlet Witch, and Web Warriors
-24k and Below, the Dead Zone: Spider-Woman, Nova, Star-Lord, Hellcat, Squirrel Girl (guess those trades sell well), Illuminati, Angela (already gone), Drax, Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur, Weirdworld, Black Knight (gone), Hercules, Howling Commandos (gone), Starbrand & Nightmask (11k)

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>>79684065
>That Guardians of Infinity fall.
Bendis always wins in the end.

>>79691391
>25k-29k
>danger zone

>>79691472
not him but that's probably because they haven't settled in yet and will drop to actual cancellation range in another issue or two

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>all the comic news websites are talking about total marvel saturation
>no one is talking about everything selling like shit
This industry deserves to crash and hard

>>79691695
It'll be interesting to see how DC does when 1/3 of their line up isn't c-z listers anymore

I'm surprised they're still doing minis when they sell like shit in floppies and they don't know how well they'll sell in trades yet.

>>79691695
What's the DmC of the comic industry?

>>79691758
>still doing minis when they sell like shit in floppies and they don't know how well they'll sell in trades yet
This is why I love DC.

>>79687943
It's funny that the less numbers of Star-Lord are because of Bendis. He wanted to have current Peter all for himself for his slow as fuck first arc and forced Humphries to do this origin arc that is killing the book.

Bendis is a dick even with his own teammates. What a bald fuck.

>>79684295
DC is putting it into second printing, which means it sold out on a distributor level. Considering it's a 6-issue mini that's actually pretty good.

Wait.

If #1s sell so well why don't they just make every comic a #1?

>>79691695
Honestly they're all too stupid to actually look the bigger picture. I don't know who started the meme that market share matters most

>>79691920
Dude, that's what Marvel has been doing in the last years.

>>79687493
Well remember that when Spider-Verse was hyped and the orders were made that they didn't know how it would go.

>>79691695
http://www.comicsbeat.com/comics-sales-increase-by-2-1-million-units-in-five-years/

Comic sales are significantly higher than they've been in at least 6 years.

>>79691982
But is it from variants and #1s?

>>79684343
>>79684165
>Midnighter deserving to sell well.

lol

>>79691358
Seriously, all my favorite books are selling like shit and will get cancelled.

Thinking of switching to creator-owned books exclusively, at least with that I know the writer will get to tell the story. I'm tired of having all my favorite cape books cancelled. If you're not into Batman or Spiderman, you're basically fucked. Nothing sells anymore.

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>>79691982
Anon do you know about the real-estate bubble crash that we had like 8 years ago? This is more or less the same it's the capitalist cycle.

>>79688412
Christ, remember when we had Marvel Adventures? A whole line of all-age comics, written and drawn by people who were good at their job... fuck.
>>79688893
It's like how Lumberjanes is one of BOOM!'s highest-selling titles... just because it deserves to fail, doesn't mean it will.

>>79692153
>tfw even writers of creator owned comics are complaining of lessening sales and attention many issues into their run

>>79692153
It's a ripple effect though. Even indie creators are saying that they won't do long runs anymore because there's no payoff on their end.

https://twitter.com/Supajoe/status/689242615452012545

>>79692099
[GRATUITOUS HOMOPHOBIA???]

>>79692040
And?

>>79692190
[UNSOLICITED OPINIONS OF ISRAEL???]

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CRASHING THIS INDUSTRY

WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>79692223
that's not sustainable long term, eventually they lose their specialness if there's a ton of them around.

>>79692223
Doesn't seem very healthy to rely on #1s and multiple covers to sustain sales.
Barely seems to work too since many ANAD are worse off than before.

>>79692223
It's one of the worse things you can do when it comes to long term value and profit.

>>79692186
>https://twitter.com/Supajoe/status/689242615452012545
Man that really sucks.

>>79692242
Good
Comics are trash

>>79691982
are those sells from diamond to LCS or the selling from LCS to the reader, because let me tell you, there is LOT of shit getting dust in my LCS and most of that is marvel shit, except star wars.

>10 Uncanny X-Men 1 93,252

Is it even possible to kill the X-Men? Marvel's been trying for years but they keep right on trucking

>>79692323
So what is actually selling at your store, besides Star Wars stuff?

>>79692323
This.
Those're the sales to the retainers not the actual number of people buying comics.

>>79684065
guys, serious question, how do we save the comic market?

>>79692223
It's so artificial it's starting to delude themselves. They actually think any book they put out will sell if it has a number 1. And now they're gonna start cancelling like fuck soon.

The stupidiest part is that the books that need help the most will probably don't have a CWII tie in. That's for Spider-Mans, Avengers or Hulk only.

>>79692341
X-fans know that Marvel is trying to send the franchise to Coventry because muh movie rights, so they keep buying the books.

>>79692315
I think at this point we just wait for the market to fully die and see what rises from the ashes. It doesn't seem like there's any way to save things. Probably won't take another 30 years at this rate.

>>79692341
Nope, they did too good a job fleshing out their own little corner of the MU.

>>79692385
We don't, let it crash and burn.

>>79692341
They haven't really been trying. Cullen Bunn is known, Land is known, the franchise name has power with Uncanny, Magneto is a headliner. This one was an easy sell.

>>79692385
It's not going to die. We have threads like this every fucking year.

>>79692385
see>>79692177
It's a law law of the capitalist cycle just let it end and be reborn from their ashes like it already happened a couple of times

>>79692341
If they wanted them dead, they'd stop publishing it.

>>79692323
It's Diamond to LCS.

We don't know how many copies LCSes actually sell.
The closest way to know how much a comic truly sells is how stable a comic is long term and without variants. Retailers try not to buy much more than necessary, but that's impossible to do for the first four issues and when there are tons of variants.

>>79692353
Batman and the master races sells a lot, Ms marvel went from selling (issue 1) to getting dust (issue 3). Greyson is a solid contender, he just stay there, the robin war issue wasn't a good deal to be honest, but the next issue went back to normal. Secret wars...well, issue 1 sold a lot and issue 9 sold a lot, but issues 2 to 8 sold terrible. Saga is solid, but I think they just buy it, nobody actually read it, Walking dead is solid in the numbers thanks to the tv stuff. Star wars, a lot, you could sell a blank book and put a cover of star wars and it would sell a million copies.

>>79692444
It can't keep going on like this, eventually some company will do something weird and it will work. Digital hasn't been the answer, but there are other ways to innovate. Someone will figure it out.

>>79691695
It feels like 2008 all over again. Honestly, I hope the market crashes

>Omega Men 8,864
>Midnighter 10,408
>Justice League 3001 13,283
>Secret Six 13,888
>Gotham Academy 15,023
>Martian Manhunter 18,655
>Sinestro 20,535
>Swamp Thing 29,048

Why the fuck are DC's best titles selling so bad? Seriously, what can they do at this point? They're putting out great books but no one is buying them.

>Hercules 16,310
>Vision 34,807

Well looks like my only two Marvel pick-ups will be cancelled soon.

>>79692529
Trades. Start publishing by story arcs instead of single issues. Boom. There. Done.

>>79692444
Tell that to the 80's

>>79692529
Digital would be much better if the issues didn't have the same fucking price as the physical.

Someone needs to kill Diamond. Digital and trades are the future, enough with the floppy variant gimmick nonsense.

>>79692557
>Edgy Terrorists With Shitty Art
>Faggotnighter
>Feminazi League 3001
>Genderqueer* Six
>Tumblr Academy
These are all shit.

>>79692597
This is b8, don't bother responding.

>>79684065
>when your Buster Wolf hits just right

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>the most popular comic of today would have been instantly cancelled due to low sales back in the day

where did it all go wrong?

>>79692558
I would agree with this in theory, but OGNs alone don't seem to makes as much money as floppies+trades.

>>79692597
too obvious

>>79692385
Don't. It isn't worth it. All my titles are gonna get canceled soon, yours will too. Farewell, anon

>>79692557
>Why the fuck are DC's best titles selling so bad?
Well most of them are literally whos and have literally who creative teams.
Simone is probably the most well known person writing any of those, and that book suffered greatly from delays in the first four issues. That and half of the team isn't anything like the old team.

>Seriously, what can they do at this point?
For those books? Nothing. People don't want them. They could probably advertise some of them, like Midnighter, JL 3001, and Gotham Academy, but if they don't want them by now then they never will.
For sales in general? Cancel those and replace them with books/brands/names people will want to read. Like Birds of Prey, Batwoman, Supergirl, Red Robin, etc.

Anyway this always happens. Gotham Central went on for like 40 issues but sold like shit. ASW, 30 issues and sold like shit. Gotham Academy will probably be like that.

>>79692655
then what's the future? I mean, marvel and dc can't go bankrupe, so what's goona happen to comics after the market's crash?

>>79692557
LCS' are terrible desu, Marvel and DC should really start basing off digital sales since that implies people actually buy those comics instead of LCS' just ordering because of variants. Then again, the Big Two's main source of income these days are pretty much just variants.

>>79692621
>Constant Relaunches
>LCS being more strict about what they order
>Higher prices
>Comics being written for TPBs

>>79692597
Nice buzzwords

>>79692597
I'd rather read posts about shipping than shitposts this poor.

>>79692687
Digital sales are not large enough. Only 10-20% of LCS sales for most books

>BRING BACK PRE-52 SUPERMAN
>Superman Lois and Clark
>23,766
Where are all the faggots that want pre-52 characters back now?
>mfw DC use Rebirth to bring back pre-52 Wally and Titans
>mfw they also sell like shit
Just proves all the people that STILL constantly scream for DC to bring back pre-52 don't know what they fuck they're talking about.

>>79692686
Something new, I hope. Or DC and Marvel learn from their mistakes and shake Diamond.

>>79692687
Digital sales aren't large enough.
Comixology is like 10-20%. Anyway Didio did say that digital sales are starting to stagnate after having years of growth. Trades are still growing and you can see them trying to hit that with OGNs.

>>79692668
>Gotham Central went on for like 40 issues but sold like shit.
Anyone got actual numbers for that?

>>79692717
People just like to bitch, they never have and never will buy the good books. They just find something else to complain about.

And as much as Marvel has better PR, most of their books also don't sell. Word of mouth is nothing.

>>79692597(You)
>I only read the blandest books out now
I bet you think comics should adhere to a house style you faggot.

>>79692717
No shit, truth be told Pre52 DC was selling worse, it's just that Marvel Inflation wasn't as big back then so the numbers wren't as noticeable.

KILL DIAMOND
BURN IT TO THE GROUND

>>79692099
You don't read it, I assume?

>>79692717
Titans Hunt is selling like 23k too.
And it's honestly the best Titans related thing in a long long looooong time. It's actually just mediocre instead of horrible. So of course it's not doing very well
It'll be interesting to see how an actual Titans ongoing does. And we all know that's inevitable.

>>79692750
It's all on comichron

Last issue:
>110 Gotham Central 40 $2.50 DC 18,366

>>79684065
DC needs to latch on to a major movie series like Marvel has with Star Wars.
Any chance Warner Brothers can bribe JK Rowling into letting there be Harry Potter comics?

>>79692717
>Where are all the faggots that want pre-52 characters back now?
God this is a retarded argument that needs to go away. People want the old characters back in their old roles, not in some side series kept in the "old universe" ghetto.

>>79692750
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2004/2004-08.html

>Gotham Central 22 16,699

Go nuts with the dates

>>79692773
Diamond is prohibitive, but I don't think it's the main problem. It's not as if sales via bookstores are particularly significant, though as mentioned in this thread Didio says they're growing.

>>79692773
>lol it's not a monopoly because comic books
Absolute fucking cancer. I hope Geppi has a stroke and gives Stan Lee 5 more years to live.

>>79692750
Gotham Central 1 DC 28,735
Gotham Central 38 DC 18,630
Gotham Central 40 DC 18,366

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>>79692773
Which one do you want me to kill?

>>79692811
Even if you think that argument is bad, those people didn't buy those characters when that was the main universe either. Why would they start buying it if DC went back? Sales were bad then too.

>>79692811
>Factual argument based on literal sales numbers is retarded.

Isn't Midnighter's trade the 2nd highest pre-ordered trade for DC on Amazon right now?

>>79692888
Sure but he's also the second lowest floppy sales.

>>79692855
Damn. I'm surprised it only had a 10k drop over 40 issues and that DC let it run for so long when even the number #1 sold badly.

>>79692842
>>lol it's not a monopoly because comic books
Man, this shit pisses me off so much. It didn't use to be like this but now all that's left is Diamond, and that's... atrocious, really. No wonder the market is in such bad shape.

>>79692773
kill diamond, start selling books outside the fucking english speakers countrys (USA/UK), latinamerican market loves DC comics, why the fuck instead of just selling the rights to another publishing company they don't just start selling shit in spanish?

>>79692888
Yes, but no one gives a shit about trade sales. Publishers usually look at floppy sales.

Cmon /co/ surely we can band together and come up with some kind of controversy to generate some buzz for based Midnighter?

>DC HATES GAY SUPERHEROS?

>>79692888
For things that aren't reprints but also listed as "coming soon" I get Batman, Injustice, WWEO, Darkseid War, NSS, BRE, Batgirl, and then Midnighter

>>79692919
there were worst books:
All Star Batman & Robin issue 3 DC 3,224

>>79692969
That never works with DC, anon.

>>79692969
But anon, people already think DC is the scum of the earth that hates all minorities,

>>79692975
that was probably the second or third month of release for that issue

>>79692969
Even if more attention did get put on Midnighter, people who wanted a gay superhero would be put off by how violent and edgy he is.

>>79692902
>>79692951
That's what I worried about.

>>79692970
Oh shit, that means someone lied to me on the internet last night! Does that happen, is that a thing?
Or Anon was telling the truth and the numbers fluctuate that much.

>>79693009
The first time I ever read about The Authority was on an article whose author said that Apollo and Midnighter were absurd because gays cannot be violent.

>>79692969
No, no no

It would be more like

>I can not BELIEVE that DC had the audacity to let a gay hero have a book and have GRAPHIC FOREPLAY that led to GAY SEX on PANEL

>>79692824
>Gotham Central 22 16,699
>>79692855
>Gotham Central 40 DC 18,366
The fuck happened to make the sales go up 20 issues later?

>>79693027
it's possible they were only counting normal monthlies that started with #1 in the DCYou launch

it's doing well though

>>79692998
you are right.

X-Men are selling the lowest in the history of the franchise, I don't think Uncanny or the main X-Men book has ever been this low, but they are still selling better than most of what Marvel is trying to push ahead of them.

>>79693145
january 2006:

Uncanny X-Men 468 Marvel 79,781

X-Men 181 Marvel 74,069

>>79693057
he was raped by deception, we could meme about that?

>>79693212
No, people would agree with that.

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>>79684065
>top of the chart

>DC
>Batman

>Marvel
>#1's and Star Wars

The industry is doomed.

>>79693206
Exrodinary is already selling 47,572. It is being billed as the "main" X-Men book but I don't think a main X-Men title has ever been this low.

>>79693253
>put Batman in every DC comic
>???
>PROFIT

>>79687462

SUPERIOR 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO INCOMING

>>79692341
You do know that this title is going to drop to being less than half of that in the next 3 issues.

>>79693206
>X-Men 181
We'll literally never see triple digits again from either of the big 2.

>>79693341
If Rebirth doesn't relaunch everything then DC might get the main JL members to triple digits.

>>79693341
Looney Tunes is past 200 still

The Grayson trades didn't sell that well. That is unfortunate. I guess they are going to scrap it and make him Nightwing again...

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As doomed as things look from a month-month perspective

Year-Year paints a different picture

The comics industry has actually been growing pretty steadily.

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>>79693272
>Star Wars: The Dark Knight Awakens #1

>>79693426
>2 million copies

What are the Marvel v DC total head to head sales like minus Star Wars?

>>79693264
December 2014:

X-Men 22 Marvel 30,200

the X-men book sold like shit during that time.

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>>79693426
>by John Ostrander and Jan Duursema
>or by Corinna Bechko and Gabriel Hardman

>>79693411
I bet they're regretting putting the first trade out in HC first.

>>79693466
the difference is not so big, also, marvel is putting more shit into the market (mostly star wars) so in the end the numbers would be kind of the same for both.

>>79693481
>>by John Ostrander and Jan Duursema

See if he can fit in the original Suicide Squad. But then again they'll probably have to throw Harley in it.

>>79693471
>December 2014
Umm, X-Men wasn't the main X-book. Bendis' All New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men were the "main" X-Men books. They were selling 57,569 and 53,502 at that time.

>>79693536
>not trusting based Ostrander

>>79693411
>about the same as Flash with two volumes out on the same day

that's not really bad

>>79693411
>changing a character into something completely different

There was DC's first mistake.

>>79693575
>muh status quo
Cancer.

>>79693575
Fuck you. Grayson is the best thing to happen to Dick in a long time.

>>79693627
I know, it's terrible.

>>79693654
I like Grayson, dumbass.

But other people hate change, especially comic fans.
People are still bitching five years later about New 52 even when most of the characters are back.

>>79693471
>Checking the 90s database
mfw, the x-men used to sale a lot, a shit ton load, anything with the x-men sold.

>>Spawn used to sell really well
>>Image used to have a lot of books sellin over 100k
Also
December 1997:
Darkness 11 Image 357,006

July 1998:
Fathom 1 $2.50 Image 257,087

November 1999
Tomb Raider 1 Image 189,455

what the actual fuck?

>>79693466

From what I've seen DC gets some of the highest spots, minus events and relaunches from both. But Marvel has more of the top spots.

But Star Wars is taking over and I'm telling you guys this is bad for Marvel.

>>79693564
Flash was on the 6th volume of its New 52 series. Grayson was still on it's 1st and 2nd though. Those early volumes should sell a lot better.

>>79693419
Well the reason is that there are a lot more comics being produced and they cost more. Plus there are a lot more #1's and variant covers being made to inflate those sales too. So sales are up but it isn't as healthy a market I think.

>>79693701
Well sorry for the insta-rage then. Just about every time someone talks about them changing Dick they seem to mean it as a negative thing. Like Nightwing has had any good stories in recent memory.

>>79684383
It's a Carnage book that also features Eddie Brock not as Venom and Man-Wolf written by a guy whose big time in the industry was the 70s and was last relevant in the 80s that has more of a slow horror vibe to it. I'd say that's really fucking good considering.

>>79692687
and more forms of entertainment readily available.

>>79688212
Not just that but EVERYTHING seems to have dropped down to either what it was doing right before the relaunch or even less. ANAD is going to go down as one of the biggest missteps Marvel has ever done; it's a failure by any measure and it seems to have actively harmed sales. Maybe relaunch fatigue is setting in.

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>>79692888
>>79692970
Amazon best-selling list floats hourly, but Midnighter has been a good preorder seller.

Pic from a few days ago. It was the second best-selling DCU preorder book, only losing to Batman.

>>79693069
The final issue of something will almost always get a big boost in sales

>>79694137
Trade sales tend to me jack shit when it comes to cancelations, usually.

>>79693785
Does that trend apply to trades like it does to floppies? I hadn't noticed other vol 1s doing particularly well

>>79688250
What does it say about Iron Man that the highest selling Iron Man comic in years is in the 40,000s? People like movie Iron Man but RDJ's charisma is what sells him and that doesn't translate to the page.

>>79694161
Are we having a cancellation discussion or just a performance one? It's pretty much a given the book will be cancelled with the May solicits. Just be happy Orlando said Middy will show up with the Rebirth stuff.

>>79694165
Well obviously the early volumes of a series are going to sell better than the later unless there is some big creative team change in the middle. Though even in those cases some companies will start the volume # over again at 1 with a big creative team change even if they didn't renumber the floppies. Like the recent Batgirl book.

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>Doing another MAJOR WORLDCHANGING EVENT not even a year after the relaunch.
>It's a rehash of a previous event
>It's HEROES AGAINST HEROES again too
As long as my homegirl Kamala doesn't get dragged into this shit I'm cool but still.
>She totally will be.

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>>79694407
they should make an event were a bunch of heroes and villains are turned into the opposite sex

>>79694636
Didn't someone do that? Image or something?

>>79694636
If it was as fun as Sins of Youth was, then I'd read it.

>>79684065
>DC having like over a dozen books at 20k or below
>said books are the better ones
>Marvel books already at or below where they were before the relaunch by #3
>many ANAD books are even below where they were before
>Batman at 100k even

This is terrible. Everything about this is terrible.

>>79694964
Batman is always around 100k in sales. They even use it as a baseline for how well/poorly a book sold in the month.

>>79695468
Eh, Batman is usually 110k+

To be just a few hundred issues away from 99k is pretty surprising.

>>79688988
nah, Omega Man is the kind of book that sells like hotcakes in trade form

>>79694407
she's on the flagship Avengers team, you bet your sweet ass she's getting involved

>>79695745
The Carol Corps are starting to get their first major taste of event character assassination, so it'll be interesting to see how Kamala is handled if she's in it.

>yfw her mom doesn't let her take part in the event

>>79695850
>Kamala we need to go stop Carol from being a cunt
>but I love Carol!
>NOW KAMALA
>CIVIL WAR

>>79695745
Isn't she getting kicked out? I know it's just fake drama but if it means she'll be safe from the event I welcome it.

>>79696111
she'll be back by the end of the issue, especially if they're doing five-issue arcs

>>79696111
It says she's getting kicked out in the solicitation for the next issue, but she's also on the cover of upcoming issues.

I wonder if things will change after DCEU really gets going

>>79697266
Probably not. Movies haven't done anything for Marvel's sales, so I can't see it doing much for DC.

>>79697266
Depends how well the DCEU is received. MCU boosted the hell out of Marvel's sales and Nolan's trilogy probably really helped Batman (don't have the numbers in front of me) but I doubt MoS really helped Superman that much.

I'm sure All trinity related titles will at least get a temporary boost when BvS comes out though.

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>>79693009
>>79693041
>>79693057

>>79693041
Do you remember what the article was

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>>79698751
I cannot describe how angry I am.

>>79688254
>They could have easily ridden that 83k down to #7-9, but noooooo.

Jumping from 30k to 80k for one issue isn't normal, it means the attraction was a gimmick. It would have gone right back to 30k or upper 29k the following issue.

>>79684065
Is DC suffering from not having a strong creative team guiding the batfamily story lines?

>>79693069
Last issue, plus the previous two issue had Chris die and Corrigan getting scott free with his murder, that might have drummed up few lapsed people to back and pick it up

>>79695709
It'll ge one printing and vanish, forgotten forever.

>>79702334
This

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>Doc Strange staying above 50k

I'm okay with this. Aaron sucks but I want the title to keep going so we can eventually get a good creative team.

>>79698751
who is this and why should I be bothered?

>>79701193
The Batfamily is okay, it's pretty solid, bar Red Hood and BatGirl.

>>79701193
More like the batbooks aren't incredibly generic

>>79684065
suicide watch numbers tbqh fami

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Full charts in image form.

Line graphs for ANAD Marvel and DCYou later.

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>>79703866


>Devolution outsold Howling Commandos
>Ice King outsold Omega Men

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>>79703875

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>>79703891

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>>79703901

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>>79703917

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>>79703926
That's it.

>my favorite book isn't selling
>therefore the whole industry is dying

The thread.

>>79698751
I'm so confused. Either someone trolled them hard or they got him confused with Hooded Justice from Watchmen.

>>79689105

Then it boggles the mind why LCSs wouldn't realize the introduction of Deadpool 2099 would sell like bonkers.

>>79687222
Snyder won't be leaving in the foreseeable future though. Unless you mean Capullo?

>>79706593
Snyder is leaving the main Batman title and moving to Detective Comics.

>>79685852
their creative team also must be dirt cheap.

>>79694137
I wonder if Midnighter floppy sales could grow after the trade release. It looks many people are waiting for it to see if the book is good.

>>79684065
>The final sales report for January is out from Diamond Comic Distributors, and as reported here on Friday, the first month of the year was slightly off versus the same month in 2015, when statistics for several categories of that month were inflated by Loot Crate sales of Star Wars #1.

>While the comparatives were part of the story, looking at the internals makes this January look less impressive than at first glance. We can now see that while graphic novel wholesale dollars were off 7.77% overall, according to Diamond, the total retail value of the Top 300 was actually up 20%. That points to something we can see by looking at the dollar rankings: there was heavy discounting of graphic novels in the month.

>Many Marvel graphic novels in the Top 300, for example, had dollar volume rankings far lower than their unit rankings: Diamond does dollar rankings based on money it receives from retailers. This is a common enough occurrence, but in this month these sales accounted for a disproportionate share of the market.

>January often tends to have a punier release slate than other months, meaning lower-selling titles make the Top 300; this month's 300th place title sold 4,028 copies, the lowest sum since June 2012.

>On the other hand, some perspective: Five years ago, January 2011 was the pits. The Top 300 comics sold 4.4 million copies, likely the lowest sum since the 1930s. There were a couple of reasons: it was the bottom of the comics slump pre-DC reboot, but it was also a month where publishers shipped extremely few titles to market. The market ordered more than 2 million more comics this January, and publishers are releasing more, now, too: 719 new comics and graphic novels versus 555 five years ago. That shows a market with more breadth.

>And eight titles had six-figure sales this January, led by Walking Dead #150 with orders topping 156,000 copies. Compare that with one title in six figures five years ago, and that at 115,000 copies.

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>capeshit continues to ruin things for everyone

>>79708669
>I wonder if Midnighter floppy sales could grow after the trade release
That'd require it to not be cancelled by the time the trade comes out.

>all those Midnighter doomsayers
Midnighter with ACO back sells well in CMX, see >>79709941

>>79710023
Dude, the sales are abysmal. It's best you just accept it now instead of bitching next week when you see "FINAL ISSUE" in the solicits.

> the market = capeshit

>>79710068
Are you a shill?

>not understanding the influence of digital sales in making or breaking a physically low-selling Big Two book

Current DCU trade preorders (Amazon). Midnighter almost outselling Batman:

Batman by Scott Snyder & Greg Capullo (#4,190)
Batman Vol. 8 (#16,530)
Midnighter Vol. 1 (#18,854)
Justice League Vol. 7 (#27,011)
Batman & Robin Eternal Vol. 1 (#36,761)
Constantine: The Hellblazer Vol. 1 (#46,743)
Batman & Robin Eternal Vol. 2 (#47,823)
Omega Men: The Complete Series (#48,282)
Justice League Vol. 8 (#50,858)
Harley Quinn and Power Girl (#54,326)
Martian Manhunter Vol. 1 (#57,265)
We Are Robin Vol. 1 (#66,003)
Deathstroke Vol. 2 (#69,110)
Gotham Academy Vol. 2 (#71,678)
Black Canary Vol. 1 (#71,909)
New Suicide Squad Vol. 3 (#77,863)
Harley Quinn Vol. 4 (#98,483)
Grayson Vol. 3 (#102,459)
Batman Beyond Vol. 1 (#109,411)
Robin War (#109,766)
Gotham by Midnight Vol. 2 (#149,188)
Starfire Vol. 1 (#153,536)
Detective Comics Vol. 8 (#160,229)
Red Hood/Arsenal Vol. 1 (#173,733)
Catwoman Vol. 7 (#179,864)
Robin: Son of Batman Vol. 1 (#182,989)
Green Lantern Corps: Lost Army Vol. 1 (#193,698)
Justice League 3001 Vol. 1 (#203,258)
Sinestro Vol. 3 (#224,382)
Batgirl Vol. 3 (#225,463)
Green Lantern Vol. 7 (#231,414)
Constantine: The Hellblazer Vol. 2 (#245,780)
All-Star Section Eight (#253,865)
Cyborg Vol. 1 (#255,055)
Secret Six Vol. 4 (#261,542)
Green Arrow Vol. 8 (#297,795)
Earth 2: Society Vol. 1 (#299,652)
Aquaman Vol. 7 (#395,938)
Superman/Wonder Woman Vol. 4 (#402,028)
Action Comics Vol. 8 (#414,896)
Justice League of America Vol. 1 (#433,802)
Superman Vol. 1 (#457,368)
The Flash Vol. 8 (#471,802)
Wonder Woman Vol. 8 (#544,139)
Batman/Superman Vol. 5 (#564,555)
Doctor Fate Vol. 1 (#678,955)
Lobo Vol. 2 (#762,286)
Doomed (#985,639)
Bat-Mite (#2,324,038)

>>79710178
Are you a retard? I'm just telling you to be ready when it's canceled. It's a fucking business
>hurt durr don't bring logic into this you shill

>>79710232
>Omega Men finally at the eighth place

>>79710276
>tons of nerd tears will surely be shed when Midnighter will be cancelled at the completion of the second arc or its physical sales fall to four digits

>>79710111
It does. Do you not know how numbers work?

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>>79710111
>caring for American indieshit

>>79710232
>Omega Men, Midnighter, Constantine that high
I feel like DCYou was deliberately a tradebait launch. DC knew these wouldn't sell in floppy form.

>>79710445
A few months ago they did say they realized that the audience they were going for were more likely to buy trades.
So depends on whether they knew that before they launched the books or after they saw the majority of them were failing.