Am I the only one who thinks that mechanical web -shooters are dumb? If Spider-Man can't spin webs than what the fuck can he do that's spider-related? Climb walls and jump high?
If that's the case, we might as well call him grasshopper man.
Yeah, but if he doesn't have the web shooters then he doesn't have too much to show that he's a genius, which is a legitimate argument.
The other one that's constantly brought up is that if they were organic he wouldn't run out as easily, which is stupid because he almost never runs out in the comics anyway.
Ideally, the best solution would be to make the webiing organic but put cartridges of different kinds of webbing compounds like hardening web on his wrist like he has in the comics. The movies never get into that sadly.
I think that he should produce webs naturally but they are a complete mess. He doesn't have spinnerets. So the wristbands are there to turn his naturally produced webbing into something he can actually use.
There, thematic reinforcement of his spider powers and his engineering skills. Done.
No, you're not the only one. Conceptually he's a poor design. The best response is the "radioactive powers" but that's just an in-universe explanation. If Stan Lee wanted to he could have made the webslingers part of the natural powerset Spider-Man had.
But hey, a lot of superheroes have bad designs. Superman is a Caucasian human "alien." It's the stories that are written about them that matter more.
>If Spider-Man can't spin webs than what the fuck can he do that's spider-related?
Nothing, all of his powers are radiation-related except for his Spider-Sense. Even the strength of his powers depends on how radioactive his blood is, the spider is just a theme the same way bats are just a theme with Batman.
As for the webshooters, they're supposed to show how smart Peter was. In Raimi's trilogy he didn't want "genius" to be a key part of Peter's character, so that part of Peter was practically nonexistent and they just gave him organic webshooters.
This. all of his powers are found in other marvel heroes whose powers come from mutation from radiation. he's basically nightcrawler minus teleportation plus super strength. the only particularly spidery thing is the reflexes, but spiders have great reflexes because they're tiny. ditto strength. and for the most part the clinging is about that too
i liked when the 90s series said that maybe the spider DNA gave him some kind of instinctive understanding of chemicals that would make good webbing. but even then, spider webs are only strong because theyre tiny. he's just a genius. and him being a genius is part of what makes him so great.
organics make less sense because why the fuck would the web shooters be in his wrist, síders have that shit just adove their ass, also the mechanic web shooters help show the science side of Peter.
Being a genius has always been a part of who he is. He was always supposed to be brilliant. If he'd been allowed to reach his full potential, he could have been another Tony Stark.
I always thought they were dumb because it showed how comics can't portray that Parker is "a pretty smart guy" without the visual metaphor of a revolutionary invention that billions of dollars and thousands of scientists have searched for for nearly a century (mass-producible synthetic spider silk). One that isn't even a weapon and could turn the worlds of construction and medical surgery upside-down but he refuses to make money on because for reasons.
How the fuck do Peter stay poor, with both is smarts and powers? That is the question that everyone should be asking. Shit dude could even go to Vegas and do the numbers game and get some money.
What if he actually does produce his web - with his rear end, like an actual spider - and needs the wrist mechanics to make any sensible use of it? 't Would be quite the 'dark' secret to keep.
You mean the company that Ock made when he had Peter's body. Going for that cop out huh, so all this time he couldn't do anything himself?
That's straight up retarded. Even if it only lasts an hour, that shit would be helpful for countless situations Wow.
The only good reason for Spidy to have them is because by making it shows how smart Peter is.
But it certain rumours are true about Civil War (Tony gives them to Spider-man) then they should just remove them altogether and just go with organic.
Honestly, what is the point of that hand position? If he wants to hit the switch, why strain his wrist by having his other fingers sticking out? I've never understood this. It looks neat, but I always thought it was stupid because it hurt my wrists to do it as a kid.
That really just makes it even more retarded. They could always reapply the stuff like every hour if they needed it to be more permanent, and even then, can you honestly not think of any applications of a temporary but extremely strong adhesive? Convenient and easy netting for catching dropped objects from high rises, safety harnesses that need very little setup, temporary structures and all at such a low cost that even a poor middle schooler can afford to mass produce the stuff. There are so many applications here for webbing.
The hand position is to make sure he doesn't accidentally activate it when making a fist and is easily hidden by his sleeves when in his civvies. Plus he's Spiderman, he's can lick his own ass, I'm sure he can stretch his fingers down to his wrist easily.
HE SWINGS OFF OF WEBS THAT HE SHOOTS FROM WEB SHOOTERS HE INVENTED.
THAT'S WHY HE'S SPIDER-MAN.
GO READ SOME SPIDER-MAN AND MAYBE YOU'LL UNDERSTAND.
>Am I the only one who thinks that mechanical web -shooters are dumb?
No, you're not. A lot of people who aren't origin purists have pointed out for years that mechanical webshooters are both a convoluted way of showing Peter's intelligence and a tool for cheap tension with "Oh no, I've run out of web" in the middle of something important.
Am I the only one who thinks Batman's mechanical cape is dumb? If Batman can't fly with real bat wings than what the fuck can he do that's bat-related? Take a shit on the floor of a dark cave while sleeping?
If that's the case we may as well call him OP.
It's because writers and seemingly everyone else is too nostaglic about his high school/college days so he's never allowed to "grow up" and instead has to regress to that state at the end of the day.
Because it's fucking stupid. If you don't like Spider-Man, don't read Spider-Man. I don't care how much you like the stupid fucking hack Raimi movies, if you like them only watch them and don't pay attention to any other Spider-Man media and kindly fuck off
It makes him look like the opposite of a genius by making him capable of building ridiculous shit like this in the garage but not being able to make money off of it.
Best alternative is that he naturally produces webbing, but needs the shooters for it to actually be a useful spray.
>He was always supposed to be brilliant.
Key word is "supposed to".
>The best response is the "radioactive powers"
No...because he got them from a radioactive spider, hence spider-man
If he got bit by a radio active fucking raccoon I bet he wouldn't have super strength or climb up walls
>But hey, a lot of superheroes have bad designs. Superman is a Caucasian human "alien."
Why is this an issue? It's very likely that a race almost identical to humans exists somewhere in the universe, if not many
>It makes him look like the opposite of a genius by making him capable of building ridiculous shit like this in the garage but not being able to make money off of it.
You miss the point of Spider-Man completely you dunce
He doesn't want to be famous, he wants to live the life of a normal kid....the only reason he fights crime is because he has a Batman tier guilt obsession
>He doesn't want to be famous
This is one of the wrongest things I've ever heard.
Lee/Ditko Spidey was all about trying to cash in on his Spider-Man persona. It was one of the most consistent parts of his character.
Yes, outside of the comics he's always been in a loop from high school to college. It's also possible this creates more people nostalgic about that era and thinking it's all Spider-Man can be which is funny cause people also say he's overused and nothing new can be done with him. Peter's issue is being a character about progression in a setting where he can't progress anymore, it's been like that for years.
>It isn't even likely there is other intelligent life out there.
Well, his whole original appeal was that he was just a normal guy thrust into the whole thing. At the time he was created younger characters were relegated to the sidekick role, and all your heroes were either people like Superman or Thor, and even your heroes that were supposed to be normal people had secret kung fu training that made them powerful, like your standard pulp heroes.
Peter's just a guy who feels like he has to do the right thing, given more power than most to do it. He has to balance this against the struggles he faces in his normal life, and the urge to abuse his power for his own personal gain - which got his uncle killed, or so he believes.
I don't think he necessarily has to be about "progression" but he's supposed to be dealing with the issues of a normal person, and it's hard to make that believable when he's stuck in Archie teen-land forever pining after the untouchable Gwen Stacey or whoever, always barely keeping his secret from being discovered, like it's some slice of life manga.
Making him 15 makes plenty of sense. It's hard to tell from an adult perspective, but your priorities change a lot as you age, esp in the teen years. How much did you change from your freshman year of high school to your senior year? I'd wager the things you were worried about going in were very different from the things you worried about coming out.
>I don't think he necessarily has to be about "progression" but he's supposed to be dealing with the issues of a normal person, and it's hard to make that believable when he's stuck in Archie teen-land forever pining after the untouchable Gwen Stacey or whoever, always barely keeping his secret from being discovered, like it's some slice of life manga.
Which is exactly why I'm not the biggest fan of people wanting to go back to that.
15 is just borderline at kid hero territory. Just an year or two up from that would make a big difference in my eyes. But considering how real kids are at that age I'm expecting the actual age to be pretty irrelevant to his character and him being unusually mature for his age.
Yeah, where the fuck's that story?
I wanna see a comic where Spider-Man fights crime by building a web in a random dark alley, waits several days before an unsuspecting criminal walks in it, and then gets bitten and paralyzed, wrapped in silk, and saved for later.
>If he'd been allowed to reach his full potential, he could have been another Tony Stark.
If making crazy strong artificial spider webbing as a teenager isn't 'reaching his full potential' then I'm curious as to what his full potential is.
Anyone could have been bitten.
But the point of the web shooters is that Peter Parker is who made Spider-man what he is.
Had they been bitten, anyone would jump high, lift cars and stick to walls.
But Peter was a true nerd on the way to becoming a great scientist when he was bit.
The shooters, the tracers, even originally the lenses in his mask, these are all indications of who Peter could have been if not for the spider and what he brings to the table aside from his powers. And it's why makes Spiderman so effective, his mind.
Peter is so smart, Valeria Richards considers him not dumb, which in layman's terms means genius. The shooters and development of the web is the first real indication of that, and ithat intelligence is integral to his characterization.
why would he give away his trademark, exactly? Peter doesn't really care about getting rich. Even now with Parker Industries he's giving his money away.
Which you'd know if you actually read comics
This was one of those arcs where you just feel bad for the guy
>trying to super science
>this bullshit happens
>Morbius running around being an asshole
>The Lizard kind of helping but also going crazy and needing to get punched out from time to time
>antidote for the arms thing getting abused like the beginning of Temple of Doom
>ends up all sad cause Morbius tries to kill himself and shit
>If he'd been allowed to reach his full potential, he could have been another Tony Stark.
Given the Internet's obsession with both pugs and jumping spiders, and Marvel's obsession with jumping on trends, I'm kind of surprised Peter doesn't have some cute bug-eyed little arachnodog at this point.