For example Superman can shoot a concentrated stimulated emission of infrared radiation or heat vision but how the flying fuck does his organic physiology do this in first place and why can he control the way the beams work if he has no Infrared manipulation ability?
But the Kryptonians are natural they werent created otherwise that would be logical, their planet also doesnt permit shooting lasers from you eyes as a required survival method.
The next question I have is how the actual fuck does Manhunters powers even work.
Kryptonians have solar cells throughout their bodies that absorb yellow sun energy via some kind of pseudoscience probably closest to how chloroplasts work
You could try actually reading comics instead of making dumb threads
I'm guessing this is bait, but if you're being sincere you're coming at this the wrong way.
The key is in your own question: "logical explanation". You seem to be asking for a SCIENTIFIC explanation, which is stupid.
A "logical explanation" doesn't mean a realistic or scientific one. It means logical consistency, and the powers in comics usually strive for internal logical consistency.
Comics break this sometimes, and these breaks are obvious and are complained about. A comic will establish what a person can do, and why, and then continue to maintain that.
Speed Force handwaves flashs shit but how the fuck do non magical being in both Marvel and DC do the crap they do.
I know things like the heralds can screw with any form of energy so their stuff makes sense.
But how the flying jesus fuck is THIS NATURAL?
>but how the fuck do non magical being in both Marvel and DC do the crap they do.
I'm not as knowledgeable about DC, but Marvel has this covered.
All super powers (on Earth at least) are due to Celestial tampering with the genes of the ancestors of humans millions of years ago. Celestials are beings so far advanced beyond us that their technology is basically magic, and they used this technology to imbue the potential of super abilities in what would eventually become humans
Some bearers of these traits, called mutants, express them naturally. Some, called mutates, require triggers like exposure to radiation.
But the answer to your question for Marvel is "space god magic".
Because it's not real you sperg. You want Moby Dick's entire family tree and precise dimensions too? It's just a bigass white whale, you don't need shit, fuck you you ignorant jackass. You better be some kinda ultra smart ma thematic genius with this kinda spergdom.
I don't understand what you're confused about. It seems like most organisms on Krypton get powers so they all have the solar cells, probably just something in their evolutionary path. Why are you confused?
How do these solar cells exist?
I know Marvel already explained all the powers with Celestials giving humans the ability to subconsiously impose their will allowing them to reality warp superpowers into existence that dont make sense logically in their universe its something like the espers in magical index.
Why do Kryptonians and Humans look physically the same?
And why are most races of aliens just humans with different skin color?
I know that the IRL reason is lazyness but has anyone ever given a canon reason for that?
Is the Infinite Crisis thing that all life started on Earth still canon, and do they writers realize how retarded that is?
Humanoid physiology makes tool use easier so any intelligent alien race may have a bipedal humanoid physiology, the completely flat human faces is due to them no longer requiring powerful jaws so their jaws sink in their face and get weaker over time. Its the same reason we dont look like apes right now.
You really can't grasp the idea of a cholorplast that does everything just a bit better?
I don't understand what you're having problem understanding so I'm just going to stop replying now.
How does this cell even develop? Why dont we have plants that can shoot lasers? How the fuck can something that is physiologically closer to a planet even look like a fucking human?
Look man, with superhero comics either you accept that superpowers can exist or you don't.
If you don't, then you shouldn't read them because there is no scientific explanation. It's fantastic entertainment.
It seems like this is making you really upset. I think you'd be much happier just not reading superhero comics if they bother you that much.
Lol, wouldn't it be funny if Kryptonians were created to be the ultimate soldiers, then a habitable planet was seeded with them, it's sun converted to red (it's been done before to Earth's sun in the comics) and they were left to be later harvested, indoctrinated, exposed to a yellow sun, then set loose on their creators' enemies, but Krypton went KERPLOO before they were needed? That's just too wacky to ever be a possibility! A planet of dormant super-soldiers...wow.
But there are canon shit that states life existed long before Earth was even formed on the post-CoIE DCU.
Like the Oans had to at least have existed before the humans, if not than the whole Vandal Savage Immortal Man thing falls apart.
Again, is just converging evolution the canon reason or is that just a fan theory?
But anon unless its stated like in most fictional universes, the powers need a source that makes coherent senses.
For example the superpowers in Dragonball are due to chi and magic but mainly chi. In DC there is nothing that explains why so many random humans can develop superpowers and it doesnt explain how these superpowers ignore the conservation of energy.
Once a species gets smart and doesnt like in the water it doesnt need jaws anymore so its face will begin to flatten while its cranium expands.
>In DC there is nothing that explains why so many random humans can develop superpowers and it doesnt explain how these superpowers ignore the conservation of energy.
Why do people who don't read comics try to talk about them?
meta gene makes no fucking sense at all, how can DNA GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO SHOOT FIRE FROM YOUR HAND?
It cant its all a load of bullshit. Unless the DNA in question is not chemical DNA but an unknown alien metaphysical gene that operates differently.
Still doesnt explain how they violate conservation of energy.
I'm pretty sure they don't explain how superpowers ignore the conservation of energy because it's one of those "who pumps the batmobile's tires" things, unless they need to do one of those "you see [insert villain here], here's my complicated and revealing backtrack through how I foiled your evil schemes" sort of things
In episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones.
I mean, what are we to believe, that this is a magic xylophone, or something?
Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
But it doesn't make sense because it can't. I just don't understand what you want besides the general in universe reasons that make it run smoothly. Science fiction in general is full of things that can't really happen. Why are superpowers in particular causing problems for you?
>But it doesn't make sense because it can't
People flying around with superpowers can't happen either
But it can in comics, which is why this thread was made
I just don't understand why you insist on posting in this thread when you don't even understand the concept
Most scifi have explanations behind their stuff but DC doesnt anon.
I NEED AN EXPLANATION for it.
How do they ignore conversation of energy? There is simply no way scientific bio organisms could ever hold that much energy inside of them without exploding nor generate that much energy without exploding either. So how do they do it?
There is no conservation of energy in the DC universe. its literally cannon.
both, given it has been REPEATEDLY asserted its a comic book, fictional world, with all the the wall breaking.
Superman seeing, us, etc.
But also in universe. Speed force, the bleed. The DC universe is NOT a closed system. Very clearly not. EXPRESSLY not so.
Not even in a speed force is magic we dont have to explai shit, bullshit. but, the speed force is ENERGY FROM OUTSIDE THE UNIVERSE. it by definition, and its very existence, means its not a closed system.
But you're getting the explanations and you still say that they aren't explanations. The explanation for the solar cells is that they are able to do it via a mechanism similar to one that some Earth life uses but it is simply better. Yet you say that isn't enough.
What? I know DBZ invalidates physics all the time but the use of chi being the explanation behind their logic defying shit and chi being a metaphysical force makes complete sense dumbass.
There is no metaphysical force in all of DC that explains their powers.
>There is no metaphysical force in all of DC that explains their powers.
it's called the hypercrisis, friend
Anon the physics of Leltonians is very faulty as there is reason WHY PLANTS DONT FUCKING MOVE even though they absorb they directly absorb energy from the sun. You see anon if you can get energy directly then you dont need to ever fucking move because only animals fucking move to eat shit to get energy from
The leltonians need more surface areas as well and an explanation as to why their bodies dont explode or melt.
>So that's a no?
Fuck off retard
>Comics are fiction
This is actually wrong, comics are just a medium of which to present stories or information.
>Does that help you?
You can help yourself to Deez Nuts
It's okay, anon. Maybe your parents wanted your life to have a little magic and they never told you movies and TV and comics aren't real.
But it's time you knew. Comics aren't real. The characters and powers depicted in them are fictional.
Shit I am trying to post that one 4chan comic but I can't find it. You know the one where the guy's like "look at me I am a retard!" then later says "I am just pretending" or something like that.
In fact can someone post it please?
Eh, I guess if you're into that thing. But it's so obvious when you see posts like >>79667807
that the guy's talking out of his ass pretending to act like he knows science.
>Waah waah I want to understand what comics are
>woah woah woah, that's far too much information
What a backpedalling faggot
How embarassing, poor baby
>mfw this pleb doesn't know that there are several non-fiction comics, the most popular of which are autobiographical comics that portray slices of the authors life
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have Leltonians and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in Dragon Ball and, uh, the Marvel, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help DC and should help the comic books and the Superman, so we will be able to build up our future. For our children.
you can tell he's making it up as he goes since if he actually cared about science he would wonder why the yellow vs red thing matters to the cells rather than the specifics of the evolutionary path
>b-buh? This handsome and amazing poster is responding to me with concepts beyond my understand
>better evade the argument and conversation entirely so he doesn't point out my idiocy
>mfw when you've never read works by Alison Bechdel, John Backderf, Craig Thompson, or literally the thousands of accomplished comic artists who have made autobiographical accounts through the comic medium
>tfw you've never ever considered the multitudes of webcomics that are essentially autobiographical, paricularly those of the "24 hour comic" variety
I don't believe you thought about it at all until I said something or it would be in the OP before you found out about the solar cells. It is the most obviously troubling part of the whole thing to the point where some versions try to claim gravity change gives him some powers too.
>Better deflect the path of this conversation by bringing up something that has literally nothing to do with this conversation
>I'll post about literally anything that if actually responded to would mean absolutely nothing in the scope of the previous argument
>M-MUST TRY NOT TO COMPLIMENT HIS INCREDIBLY SWAYING ARGUMENT OR BODY OR FACE
>Comics aren't real
>mfw comics are not only used for more than fictional purposes, but can be used for the purposes of educating
>once more, comics have been used to teach people about the theory and concept behind comics themselves (BASED SCOTT MCCLOUD)
>I'm Doing it again
>HOLY FUCK I'M DOING IT AGAIN AND MY ARGUMENT IS SO RETARDEARRRAARARRHHHHRRRRR RHRRRRUHRRR
Not hard science because there is no hard science complex enough(well humans havent discovered it yet) to explain superpowers so Im looking for handwavy explanations that arent completely scientific.
>I'M SO FAR REMOVED FROM THE ARGUMENT THERE ISN'T ANY SEMBLANCE OF THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION IN MY LATEST POSTS
>WHY OH SWEET RETARD GOD DID YOU GIVE ME SUCH MAGNIFICENT RETARDATION
It's a positive sign that you're using abstract art in an attempt to articulate your issues.
One of the strengths of abstract art is its ability to directly communicate ideas and feelings without the confines of form.
Thus, the tale of the retard anon
Emptily replying to literally anyone who will give him enough attention
This tale, sadly, will never end as you can't stop an idiot from replying
Watch as he tries to reply to this post, even though nobody will answer
In some incarnations, Kryptonians ARE created. More than a few people think that was something that started with Man of Steel, but it's actually been around for decades.
I imagine that back when Krypton's star was younger, Kryptonian scientists figured out how to modify their genes in order to take advantage of the solar radiation. Of course, since Clark is usually portrayed as being conceived naturally in contrast to the rest of the planet's population, one wonders how he got the same abilities. Unless they were inherited somehow.
A picture lives by companionship, expanding and quickening in the eyes of the sensitive observer. It dies by the same token. It is therefore a risky and unfeeling act to send it out into the world. How often it must be permanently impaired by the eyes of the vulgar and the cruelty of the impotent who would extend the affliction universally!
The reason is that they are fictional characters that don't follow physical laws, only narrative.
Really, the fact that their entire universe is a construct of literary ideas is a BIG part of the lore.
So, basically he does what he does because people and the writter like it.
Bruce either does it himself or lets the Batcave's automated repair suite do it.
I understand the intent behind that phrase, but couldn't somebody have come up with a better example of "don't ask you idiot" than that? I mean, does Batman have some kind of psychological condition that renders him incapable of putting air in his tires?
I don't like the versions where Clark is conceived naturally or is otherwise special.
I feel like it undermines the idea of the character. Superman happened to land somewhere where he had the power to make a difference, and he chose to do good with that power. His real power is empathy and caring.
I feel like making him special or the Chosen One or something damages that. He's a normal person on his home planet, and on Earth where he happens to have extraordinary abilities he chooses to be normal as well.
The human body does exactly thaf you retard. Each of us carries energy in our bodies equivalent to the yield of a hydrogen bomb. Kryptonians are just able to actually make use of it through things like tactile telekinesis and energy projection.
Yes. It was first hinted at in Arkham Asylum but confirmed in Batman #467.
It relates how Bruce witnessed a man die on the road due to a blown tire during a road trip when he was young.
He hasn't been able to inflate a tire since.
I insist upon the equal existence of the world engendered in the mind and the world engendered by God outside of it. If I have faltered in the use of familiar objects, it is because I refuse to mutilate their appearance for the sake of an action which they are too old to serve, or for which perhaps they had never been intended. I quarrel with surrealists and abstract art only as one quarrels with his father and mother; recognizing the inevitability and function of my roots, but insistent upon my dissent; I, being both they, and an integral completely independent of them.
I liked the way Man of Steel handled that. He wasn't special. And in fact he was weaker in some aspects than other, more genetically specialized members of his race. He just had the ability to choose, rather than blindly follow one path like Zod. And as you said, he also possessed the capacity to truly care for others, and to make decisions based on morals, rather than what he was designed to do.
Anon, it's a quote from Based Morrison:
>Even as Hollywood transforms itself into a superhero-industrial complex, struggling to find "gritty" and "realistic" takes on flying Übermenschen in rubber suits, Morrison revels in the glorious madness of these stories. "People say kids can't understand the difference between fact and fiction, but that's bullshit," he says. "Kids understand that real crabs don't sing like the ones in The Little Mermaid. But you give an adult fiction, and the adult starts asking really fucking dumb questions like 'How does Superman fly? How do those eyebeams work? Who pumps the Batmobile's tires?' It's a fucking made-up story, you idiot! Nobody pumps the tires!"
It was a back-up story. Dixon had some personal issues which led to the script being short that month, so he threw in that short "young Bruce" tale.
It's not usually included in the trades.
The (awesome but not painful) idea that she had not been everything to me. Otherwise I would never have written a work. Since my taking care of her for six months long, she actually had become everything for me, and I totally forgot of ever have written anything at all. I was nothing more than hopelessly hers. Before that she had made herself transparent so that I could write.... Mixing-up of roles. For months long I had been her mother. I felt like I had lost a daughter.
reading ops reply to everything I think he legit has autism guys stop giving him more food to eat.
If you can't accept that comic books have explanations that most of the time aren't realistic and don't make sense, don't read them.
I DON'T HAVE FUCKING AUTISM.
I'm just a normal person. If a story doesn't say it's magic, then it's science.
If it's science then IT NEEDS AN EXPLANATION. IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE. ENERGY SUN CELLS DON'T MAKE SENSE.
No because DC has been very clear that Superman isn't magical. He's weak against magic.
Look, DC established this. I'm only following what they said.
Why is everyone acting like wanting to follow science is wrong?
>He's weak against magic.
He's vulnerable to magic, he's weak against kryptonite
That's like saying Green Arrow is weak against knives and really heavy punches
>Look, DC established this. I'm only following what they said.
But they didn't say it was science
Language is not made to be believed but to be obeyed, and to compel obedience newspapers, news, proceed by redundancy, in that they tell us what we ‘must’ think, retain, expect, etc. language is neither informational nor communicational. It is not the communication of information but something quite different: the transmission of order-words, either from one statement to another or within each statement, insofar as each statement accomplishes an act and the act is accomplished in the statement.
>That's like saying Green Arrow is weak against knives and really heavy punches
Yes, that's right. Force equals mass times acceleration. Newton's First Law of Motion tells us that an object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
It's very clear.
>But they didn't say it was science
They did when they didn't say it was magic.
>chi being a metaphysical force makes complete sense dumbass
Actually, no. That's not what chi is.
If you think that you're basically a dumb white person who thinks he knows his shit.
No I am the real OP because there is a reason why I havent responded to any of post in the last couple of minutes because I was cooking something.
In DBZ chi is metaphysical you dumbass
Fuck off retard, you're not OP. You don't even fucking know the difference between atoms and cells, or what chi is.
Like I said here >>79670477, chi is directional stored momentum energy. DBZ gets this right. whitey.
>Yes, that's right. Force equals mass times acceleration.
But the presence of Universal Laws of motion doesn't make Green Arrow weak like kryptonite does Superman
>They did when they didn't say it was magic.
But Magic does exist in the DC continuity
>But the presence of Universal Laws of motion doesn't make Green Arrow weak like kryptonite does Superman
Are you fucking retarded? Of course it does. If Olly gets hit by a truck the energy transfer kills him.
You think Olly can take being hit by a truck?
>But Magic does exist in the DC continuity
But Superman isn't magical. That's my point.
Cry more chink faggot I dont care I was just making a comparison.
Anyways back on topic Superman powers dont make sense if he is natural. On the otherhand Wonderwoman powers can be explained with its magic I aint gotta explain shit.
>If Olly gets hit by a truck the energy transfer kills him
Depends on where the truck hits him
If Green Arrow is standing on the street and sticks out his finger, he wouldn't die
>But Superman isn't magical
He's never explicitly stated to be anything but magical
>In DBZ chi is metaphysical you dumbass
No, it's not.
The word Ki (which is their usage in Dragonball) is derived from the word Chi or Qi (proper spelling) in Chinese, meaning "breath", representing exercising your body and a special muscle in your abdomen called a "diantien" (or a "tendan" Japanese) that when exercised increases your reserve if Qi, which when circulated through your body provides a supernatural improvement on your abilities.
This is of course highly exaggerated in Dragonball, but the very concept of chi has it stated to be a physical form of energy, not magic.
I guarantee you 100% that nowhere in Dragonball is Ki explained to be anything else.
If it is you have to prove it by posting the page where they explain otherwise.
>If Green Arrow is standing on the street and sticks out his finger, he wouldn't die
Yes he would it's basic physics. Energy transfer
>He's never explicitly stated to be anything but magical
He's either magic or science. He's not magic, so he is science.
Hey Chink there's no such fucking thing as diantien or tendan. That's monkey superstitious garbage.
This is why you chinks keep grinding up tigers and shit to make your dicks hard.
You should be on your knees every day that the white man brought you actual medicine and science.
>You're right the first time: DBZ is science unlike Superman.
It's like phlostigen or lumineferous aether; there's a "science" behind it but it's all completely wrong.
This the chink retard must be dumb if he actualy thinks I think DBZ is scientific no Im just saying DBZ has a handwaving pseudoscience explanation for the illogical stuff they do. Superman doesnt or at least his own doesnt really make a nick of sense.
It may not seem natural to you, from your feeble human perspective, but have you ever thought maybe, just maybe, ALIEN anatomies or capabilities would be beyond and/or drastically different than that of a humans?
Of course not, because you're an autistic shitbrain who posts nebulous threads on /co/ about shit you probably don't even read.
I understand aliens, retard. I've seen them so I know a fuck ton more about them than you. That has shit to do with anything.
Superman isn't magic so he can't have magic cells or laser eyes. That's fucking science.
If DC wanted to put some science in like chi in DBZ, that's fine but they didn't.
IT HAS TO MAKE FUCKING SENSE AND IT DOESN'T
The supposed "chink retard" made that very post you're quoting. I know how it's supposed to work because I read shit, that's all.
I think you can actually find most of it on Wikipedia.
>IT HAS TO MAKE FUCKING SENSE
No it doesn't.
There is no legal, moral, religious, or even narrative obligation for it to do so at all, so all it needs to do is be a financially valuable intellectual property.
Which it is.
Ching chong ching chong chink
You're not going to be around much longer. We're going to fucking put China down and lock you chink traitors in America up like we did with the Japs back in WWII.
We're going to impregnate all your women so your kind will be gone.
>I understand aliens, retard. I've seen them
Manipulating gravity is not naturally possible meaning no alien species will ever evolve this ability, but it is possible if the species were created instead. My point for the Leltonians is that they are supposed to have naturally evolved on their crappy planet with lots of gravity.
Geez, does nobody read comics in between physics classes? The answer is Krypton was rich in naturally occurring gallium arsenide and room temperature superconductors, and these found their way into the Kryptonian genome. This facilitated the formation of superdense nantenna arrays all over Superman's body, n-p junctions in his eyes allowing high resolution detection of electromagnetic radiation into the x-ray range as well as, yes, create coherent beams of light. The superconductors (super, get it?) provide 100% efficient distribution of absorbed energy and create vortices that trap the flux of the Earth's magnetosphere, allowing flight. I mean, obviously.