>merlyn says Sara has no bloodlust because Constantine put her soul back together
>Sara still has bloodlust
What the fuck?
Merlyn needs to fuck off. Ever since season two he's just the guy that shows up out of nowhere, drops exposition, and leaves, only to have Team Arrow go "Grrr! I hate that Merlyn guy! Too bad he's right!"
I pretty much stopped paying attention to Arrow, but I think he basically said that Sara won't die from not killing, but she still has the lust, while Speedy will die without fulfilling the lust because she isn't whole.
the pit left a psychological mark on Sara the blood lust was brought under control by putting her soul back in but not completely eradicated. she killed because when she was soulless there wasn't anything to prevent her from killing.
same with thea the pit created a psychological want to kill.
As much as fangirls lose their shit over Barrowman (I've seen it happen for two years helping out at cons) I'm starting to get sick of him. He's not really the Merlyn I was expecting from the comics and now that he's Ra's Al Ghul it just annoys the crap out of me how he just takes a plane to Star City every weekend to see Thea. Doesn't he have some kind of International Assassin Cult to run?
It's because when you are revived by the lazarus pit, you have a constant blood lust. Even if you soul is put back together.
>When Constantine revived Sara, her soul had to be put back together because she was dead for a long period of time.
>There is still bloodlust no matter what.
I have the answer to all these pit related questions:
The writers have no fucking clue what they're doing and make shit up as they go. The pit exists 100% to drive the plot and create drama.
Need a dead character for a spinoff? To the pit!
Worried the pit will make death cheap? Don't worry, there's a convenient powder that will destroy the pit!
Want some extra drama? Make Thea suddenly get sick from the pit despite being active and running around for months!
Need some quick conflict and a way to write yourself out of a corner with Thea being sick? Let's have Nyssa find ANOTHER convenient item that cures pit sickness!
Arrow writers are a joke.
Why don't they call Constantine again for Thea? Like hey remember what you did for Sara well can you do it again for Thea? She was less dead when she went in so it should be easier.
I wonder when Oliver will remember that this guy is responsible for the deaths of his father, Tommy and hundreds of people in the Glades. Not to mention it is his fault that Oliver was stranded and that Sara died.
Never because the writers want to keep Barrowman around.
They had Oliver go full OOC mode and let Malcolm becoming fucking Ra's Al Ghul. There is no logical reason that Oliver would let this happen. But the writers decided it would be wacky fun so they made it happen, leaving logic behind.
>same with thea the pit created a psychological want to kill.
I thought it's supposed to be that souls of other Pit users infect yours or some shit, that's why when Dahrk used his Shang Tsung move on Thea, it drained her bloodlust instead.
I have nothing against the idea of Malcolm being Ra's.
My problem is how they did it. They had Oliver act completely out of character to let it happen.
They should have had Malcolm trick his way in some how. But that would actually involve good writing so fuck that.
About when Oliver will remember Queen Consolidated is his parents' legacy and his precious Felicity has all but erased the people who literally died for him from history.
I bet Earth 2 Arrow has a quarter of the Felicity screentime so Thea and Laurel actually get good arcs.
>tfw I will never live on Earth 2
>implying Felicity can't hack a computer to do magic
>Oh hey I have in my possession this ring that literally makes anyone who wears it the leader of the biggest assassin cult of all time and rightful heir to all their mystical bullshit, including their bring-dead-people-back-to-life hotspring
>Should I give it to Nyssa, my friend (and still wife I guess?), ex-girlfriend's girlfriend, someone who has helped me and my friends often in the past and I have no real reasons to distrust
>Or should I give it to my literal arch-nemesis. The guy who got my best friend (his own son) killed in a terrorist attack that destroyed half the city and killed hundreds of other innocent civilians. The guy who blackmailed my mom for decades, manipulated my dad and drugged my sister, his own daughter, so she'd kill my ex-gf so he'd have means to blackmail ME into doing his dirty work for him.
>Oh well I promised him the ring for his help so I better honor my word even though I proved again and again that I'm not above lying to get things my way!
The entire final half of season 3 was retarded but this and Atomcity take the cake.
>Sorry mate, busy with the rising darkness
>Felicity gives John a verbal beat down for not helping
>I'll handle this
>types computer tumblr-like
>cut to John amazed at how the rising darkness is gone and Felicity hacked it away
People rag on Felicity, but he's every bit as annoying.
>always shown as better than everyone else
>gets away with everything
>always has a contrived contingency
I get that he's a villain and supposed to be competent, but tone it down a little.
>Felicity gives John a verbal beat-down
I think that would be the point where she doesn't even get to hacking, because John has literal magic and a slim tolerance of her kind of bullshit.
Its funny because its depressing
>by changing satellite paths and having their transmissions disrupt the portal integrity
Why does this sound like something the show would actually say
>mfw last episode said that Calculator was going to nuke the entire internet and kill everyone in Central City
It was. I feel like their is a meta-joke there too. Since Batman got trained by the same group of people, that's their specialty -- sneaking in and out completely unnoticed.
>be new Assassin
>first day of League Training
>Fucking love the league
>Ras is fucking cool
>So many cool weapons
>Can't wait to learn how to kill people the most effectively
>Says Ra's with a death like look of intensity.
>"I'm going to turn around... and when I turn back around... You better not be there."
>This goes on for years.
>Years until it just becomes second nature
>Can't walk in or out of a room with someone looking at you
>Fucking Ra's Al Ghul loves peek-a-boo.
>HEY GUYS I MADE THIS THING CALLED A MOTHER BOX! NEAT HUH?
Yeah I don't know if I chalk it up to writer ignorance or basic human ignorance. I've noticed this about real life, people seem to be easy to forgive when the person being forgiven has something to offer them.
In a meta-sense they could forgive the writers/producers could forgive the villain because he has more performance to offer.
If only they could do that with Deathstroke. How glorious would it be for him to come back and kill Felicity?
It's like they were trying to make Merlyn more like Captain Cold (villain who has honor and respect for the hero) before even Cold got to that point. The difference is that even though Cold killed a few people, it's nowhere near the amount of atrocities that Merlyn committed. It also makes more sense that Barry would respect Cold back because Cold never really harmed someone close to Barry in the way that Merlyn did (I know he kidnapped Cisco and Catlin, but my point stands).
I buy that Barry has seen actual "good" and Cold and believes he can change.
At the same time, Barry does not stand for Snart getting close to his personal life. Whereas whenever Merlyn breaks into Thea or Oliver's places , the team are just like "Oh that scoundrel!" Whereas Barry takes it more seriously. Even though Cold is not as bad as Merlyn.
Also getting rid of Queen Consolidated and everything surrounding it looks like "writing by the seat of their pants too."
Things really don't make financial sense of this show. Where the fuck is Oliver getting the money to run for Mayor? How was he totally okay with his parents company getting fucked up? Felicity is CEO of Palmer Tech, who got brutally attacked like it was nothing. The media, board of directors and everyone else would be all over that. Where does she find the time to be CEO? It's like they don't get that that is a demanding job that you're doing 24/7. It's demanding and very public depending on the company. CEO's can't fart without the WSJ knowing about it.
Why'd you have to remind me?
Right: MFW watching Arrow
Left: MFW reading /co/ threads making fun of Arrow
Almost makes the time I spend watching it each week worth it.
Dude I got water all over my keyboard now because I literally spit it out laughing at this. Fuck you anon, you owe me a new keyboard!
The list was such a good plot device.
Its because it is. S1 was literally a Nolan realism vigilante show with island flashbacks. Then The Flash spinoff happens and suddenly producers are like "oh shit! this wacky comic bullshit actually brings in a crowd" so then Arrow starts backtracking and at a snails pace tries to become Green Arrow but still fucks that up
Season 2 was the best of both worlds
Still was more serious than Flash but accepted comic book-y stuff like Deathstroke (his CW outfit is amazing IMO).
And it was S3 that they fucked up on, and that was before they tried to be like the Flash. It was just poor in general.
The sad thing is they wouldn't have had to backtrack at all. Oliver could've still become comic Arrow if he'd been allowed to actually save Starling successfully for a bit and make it a better city. With his own accomplishments, hailed as a hero and with the stark contrast of a much darker past, the present would not have seemed half as bad.
Instead, they make his path to "happiness" Felicity. Great job to ace the 'shit writing' award there.
Yeah Deathstroke's outfit was dope. But his island mask was still shit.
>mfw Ollie just tries to fucking stab Slade when he visits Moira
It was such a great moment because the struggle with killing being badong and maintaining his secret identity both take a back seat to putting Slade down before he can ruin Ollie's life. It was desperate. It was tense. And when Slade just caught Ollie's wrist and said "Not yet." it showed just how fucking dangerous he was.
That guy sounds like the description for Constantine in the early Swamp Thing issues lmao.
I just wish Arrow had some balls and create an original villain that could add to the Green Arrow mythos. But then again, why the hell would you want to add anything from this show. Fuck.......This is all I wanted
Slade visiting Ollie's house is still the best villain moment in the entire show for me. That's Grade A villainy right there
...That makes sense actually. It'd also be an easy way for writers to keep Felicity around for a while even after she's dead. I mean shit, it'd be an easy way to introduce ghosts into the show as well.
It's going to be some character they just introduced at the end of the season who everyone gets emotionally attached to and then is immediately killed off.
Fucking knowing Arrow writers they'll completely forgot about it.
Pick related exists for a reason.
>And it was S3 that they fucked up on, and that was before they tried to be like the Flash.
It wasn't being more Comic Book that was the problem (the whole "no powers" deal was always fucking retarded); it was the Bullshit CW Relationship Drama (which was why everyone hated Laurel before season 3) that went from "Soap Opera Stupid" to "Literal Fan Fiction" with Oliver fucking Queen driving off into the sunset with the nerdgirl from tech support.
>this and Atomcity take the cake.
I'm still disgusted with killing R'as.
>thanks to the death of my friend I will enact a code of no killing
>there are times where I am tempted but this is for the best of me, I can beat this
>entire season 2 villain wants to break me, getting to force me to kill, but I do not yield
>even when my literal arch-nemesis returns, my refusal to let people die is what leads me to challenge R'as in the first place and creates our feud
>I even managed to talk down my literal arch-nemesis from taking his own revenge on his wife's killer
>R'as considers me weak for not killing when their entire organization is centered around killing the right way and guiding humanity from the shadows
>the final showdown comes, and a random assassin comes and warns me that R'as will never relent until he's dead
>shit, he's right, better kill him to make sure
>I just broke my personal code, after two years, one I refused to break even against my worst enemies, who I myself have empowered even more as a result of my act of killing them and keeping to my promise with my literal arch-nemesis
>"I'm happy, Felicity."
Fuck you, Arrow S3.
I would have been fine with Felicity in the Atom suit if they had fucking used the ALREADY PER-ESTABLISHED REMOTE CONTROL TECHNOLOGY so Ray would be handling the technical stuff like flying. But they didn't.
Lets dispel this fiction once and for all that Felicity Smoak doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she's doing; she's undergoing a systematic effort to change this show and make Arrow more like the rest of the shows. If I'm elected we'll embrace what makes Arrow the greatest show in the world.
This is actually more spot on than you may realise. It may not be intentional, but what is shown on screen is an emotionally manipulative sociopath who systematically uses her environment as "playthings" out of sheer boredom and doesn't even register the mortal danger she puts everyone in regularily as "real" anymore.
>Where the fuck is Oliver getting the money to run for Mayor?
Was the only person running, up until last ep, means you don't have to spend a ton on the usual campaigning. Add in volunteers, a few rich donors...
>How was he totally okay with his parents company getting fucked up?
He wasn't, there just wasn't much he could do about it. Plus, live off of what you can catch and kill on a remote island for a while, and you might care less about money.
>Where does she find the time to be CEO? It's like they don't get that that is a demanding job that you're doing 24/7. It's demanding and very public depending on the company.
Tons of managers, plus the comic book conceit of "manages high-powered job AND vigilante nightlife". We don't ask how Bruce Wayne sneaks away all the time, or Matt Murdock, Tony Stark, etc.
My money is on Oliver's son or Felicity's mom. Has the emotional connection, explains the stiffness between Oliver and Felicity in the car, carries emotional impact without forcing any main characters off.
I was really into the season 1 premise and was really disappointed that they moved away from the 'realistic' atmosphere, the list and Oliver having to deal with being a PTSD ridden wreck of a human being (I know later seasons pay a little lip service to it, but they really gloss over it)
I know that that's not actual Green Arrow, but that could no longer be helped once S1 started airing.
If they wanted a goofy comic book universe they should have done that to begin with because this show is nothing but a schizophrenic mess now.
I'm re-watching S2 right now and man I don't care how hype The Flash is Arrow S2 is still better than anything that's happened so far on it. I'm watching "The Promise" right now and it's really easy to forget that at some point the majority of people wished the flashbacks were longer because of how good they were then. Also I'm still sad that Manu Bennett isn't on the show anymore he really was the best as Slade and also one of the better actors when he was on the show.
So, then is the suggested watching order:
>any S3 crossover episodes with Flash
>any S3 episodes establishing Black Canary as a thing (basically until Wildcat dies)
>Legends of Tomorrow S1
It's simple, we kill The Overwatch.
Also make Black Canary and Nyssa a thing. Kill Malcolm finally, give Roy a new costume and call him Arsenal, have Diggle take over on tech support/retire him from the field. Reveal Damien as Count Vertigo. Don't kill him
>If they wanted a goofy comic book universe they should have done that to begin with because this show is nothing but a schizophrenic mess now.
The problem isn't the goofy comic book shit but the soap opera.
Season 1 had so many weak moments because it focussed on the soap opera too much.
Season 2 was great because it trimmed the fat a lot.
The problem with season 3/4 is it has brought back the soap opera drama in a big way. Too many characters goofy antics don't make it fun.
Season 2 was so good because the writers realised what made 1 good and replicated and refined it. But now they took a big bit of influence from how the Flash is and changed the show too much.
Flash has plenty of soap opera with all the hijinks and extra shit going on.
The Flash point was more about the theme changing. And them moving away from what Arrow was.
This is why it is all over the place.
There's a difference between drama and soap opera. Flash season 1 has very little soap opera. Flash season 2, on the other hand, well...
Suffice to say the drop in quality has little to do with one show influencing the other's style and more with the writers using that as an excuse to go lazy soap mode.
Remember when Felicity beat one of them?
I still remember when they introduced the first assassin from the League that was after Sarah is s2. He was pretty badass and being just one guy made the whole League looked like a real threat.
>me and my friends always clown on how Laurel hasn't been shown at her day job in forever wondering if she's still even employed
>that recent episode where did lawyer stuff at the crime scene
Removing her as a main focus has improved her so much. As soon as she comes back into the light I bet she'll be shit
It's because they wasted Grundy back on a season when they were still shying away from superpowers and magic. He was just another roided up henchman that only got namedropped as a cute little easter egg.
That parkour-ish chase with Roy and Ollie was so cool. I wish they would do more of that like I'm season 1
Also the way they wrote Roy back into the show was shit. Pissed me off. Ive been waiting for his return
Every time they say the word "bloodlust" I shit my pants and die a little.
Seriously, I don't mind the CW shows and think Flash is pretty fun, but do they have a single writer in the entire studio that actually knows how human beings actually speak?
Pretty sure the only true crossover episode (in the sense that you have to watch both parts to understand the full story) has been the one with the Hawks this season. Most of the other stuff doesn't matter that much, fairly minor continuity like Laurel getting the canary cry from Cisco that won't mess anything up if you see it out of order.
>>Bad ass league of assasssssins.
>>Get shot so easily by everyone.
Reminds of the page from Multiversity where Lady Shiva claims she could kill these soldiers before they start screaming and they just gun her down.
I miss him so much, he was such a fucking bro
Season 1 of flash when Wells was naming off all the people who died in the particle accelerator accident, atom smasher was one of them. First episode of season 2, not only is he alive, but working a completely different job in construction, perfectly fine and living a normal life before his doppleganger offed him.
You're reaching pretty hard there. Especially given Thawne has no way of knowing who exactly died in his partical accellerator explosion or as a direct consequence there-of.. What he did instead was quote metas he knew about that hadn't appeared yet and a few people mixed in he knows actually did die.
Fucking why? She's not in the field. That's like if Alfred became Butlerman when dusting the bat computer. And besides Oracle, a better hacker and former cape, only had a screen avatar
>Wells somehow knows exactly who died, because he has nothing better to do and cares so much
>Who is Eobard Thawn, student of superhero history and capeshit geek?
Kek. Him being able to name everyone and it being the truth is the retarded thing here. Thawn, Professor Zoom, lying his ass off to get a result? That's the far more in character and plausible reaction.
>>Wells somehow knows exactly who died, because he has nothing better to do and cares so much
Because he built the fucking place and would know who worked and died in the accident. It's just sloppy writing.