Because the last one hit bump limit and 404'd.
It did have a few flaws, but it was overall very good.
Gonna reiterate the "amazing visuals" statement again. Fucking GG, Dreamworks. But then again, the last movie I saw in theaters was Toy Story 3, so I'm probably not used to 2015-level of animation.
The "two dads" thing was handled very well, even if it didn't get much screentime. The interactions and progression between Mr. Ping and Li were great. Gave me all the warm fuzzies.
Not sure why people complained about a lack of kung fu. Sure, there was *less* than the other two movies, but there was still a good amount, and what we got was really great.
Yeah, yet again the F5 didn't get much screentime, but really, expecting them to get large amounts of focus is just kinda dumb in the first place. There's not enough time in the movie to fit additional focus for FIVE more characters. The panda villagers felt underdeveloped as it is; the story is really crammed full here. They'd have to make it a 2-hour film in order to fit any decent amount of importance for the F5. As much as I would love for them to get some time in the spotlight, it's simply not possible, with all the other things the story has to do.
The only complaint that I'm agreeing with is that Kai was really underdeveloped. Yeah, he kinda felt like a big bad for the sake of being a big bad. We only get "he was Oogway's best friend and then became power hungry" as a backstory. Bleh. He was fine otherwise. Most comical of the villains, which was much enjoyed, and certainly the most imposing/threatening. Shen continues to be the best villain overall, however.
Now to wait 3 years for the next movie...blegh.
> Kung Fu Panda 3
> Po's two dads get ''married''
> adopt Po
> turns out Po is gay too
> has to help him fight prejudice in the dojo
> muh evil bigots
> muh oppression
> two hours of literal gay furry porn
worst movie I've ever seen
Who is best TV villain and why is it Fenghuang?
Wouldn't it make more sense if Shen was on the light side in this scene? Since Yang is supposed to represent light, fire, heat, heaven, passion, intellect, and conquest? Ya know,, everything that Shen is?
Or did they just up Shen in the Yin because of "MUH EVIL DARKIES", because foreign scum doesn't understand Yin-Yang?
I'm still calling bullshit on that. What the movie did with Yin-Yang was purely for the sake of Americans and the west.
The way they dealt with Yin-Yang is really disappointing. It would have been really interesting to show that perhaps that Po and Shen are two opposing forces working together in a balance. How their goals and actions contradict yet each other.
I guess it sort of does that, but its more "DUDE PANDAS LAMO" than anything.
Neither Yin nor Yang is evil nor good.
The whole good and evil thing are a western invention.
They represent who opposing forces coming together to form a balance in nature. But to be fair, the whole idea of Good and Evil isn't that bad. Considering that you could say the Good cannot exist without Evil and vise versa.
Yin and Yang is really more Po's motif than anything else. I think that bit in the pic was just tossed in there to look cool. Yin Yang is all about balance and contradicting forces working into each other, which has really been Po's arc through 2 and 3. Reconciling different aspects of yourself and being the best you.
I haven't studied Yin Yang that much. I'm just getting into Daoism, so correct me if I'm wrong but it's most associated with that tradition, yes?
Sorry, did you want me to go a more subtler route of Po vs Shen being represented as Gold vs Red?
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SO U BE SAYIN that Shen is a Vermilion Bird and Po is a Yellow Dragon? Funny, considering that Yellow and Red are two main colors of Imperial China and the Emperor. The dragon being the symbol of the Emperor and the Vermilion Bird, aka, a Fenghuang (No, not the owl), is the symbol of the Empress.
Are you shipping Po and Shen?
Yea, I hear you.
Red, White, Black. Black is heaven's color, also Shen's is another name for God. Shen is a common name for God among Chinese Protestants. White for metal, also the color Venus, which is named after the Roman Goddess of Beauty. And Red, symbolizing Luck and Joy, which is also the symbol of Mars, the Roman God of War.
>implying Shen would ever have sexual relations with inferior non-avian races
He only rolls with the best.
I know, I'm just being a faggot and using that reaction image because I just made it
>it was really his relationship with Boss Wolf that his parents hated.
Wasn't in the movie.
Yeah, the writers said that originally, his parents exiled him because:
>albino, and white is the color of death in chinese culture
>apparently being weak/sickly
>forging alliances with wolves
But all of those ended up being cut, so they're not really canon.
In a way, I think it would've been a stronger movie if they had kept that. I know they didn't really want people sympathizing with a mass-murderer, but the whole idea of both Po and Shen being in pain and unable to find peace seems farcical if Shen's responsible for all of his own problems while Po's pain was inflicted by others. Shen parallels Po a little better if he's actually sympathetic, IMO.
Yeah, that kinda would have worked, I guess, if you were trying to go for a redemption story for Shen where he does end up "finding inner peace" along with Po or something like that.
Plus, the panda genocide ends up playing a decent part in the 3rd movie.
Not enough big girl action and it wasnt as perfect as KFP2.
But it was still leagues better than wat I expected.
>Sure, there was *less* than the other two movies, but there was still a good amount, and what we got was really great.
No and no. In the whole movie there was one fucking fight, where people used actual kung fu - you know, punching and kicking, instead of Chi superpowers and slapstick moves - from start to end. It and the rest of the fights were far too short. And there were no truly inventive scenes, where characters interacted with the environment in unexpected ways like Tai Lung's escape sequence, the bridge fight, the dumpling fight, the musician village fight, the Gongmen city chase or the cannon foundry fight.
Because she was the only one who posed a legitimate threat without some sort of bullshit magic artifacts. Also because she is one of the very few characters in the TV series whose visual design is not total shit conceptually, merely limited by budget.
That said, "the best TV villain" is a faint praise indeed.
>The way they dealt with Yin-Yang is really disappointing.
I hate to break it to you, but Taoist "ethics" (if they can even be called such) are nothing more than an elaborate, pseudo-philosophical excuse for doing whatever the fuck you want. You should thank the script writers for coating them in enough Western sensibilities to avoid contradicting the basic human sense of right and wrong.
The show had other good villains too. Tong Fo (aka furry Christopher Walken), the Croc Bandits, Taotai, Junjie, General Tsin, and Mugan
holy fuck was she evilwere all memorable and / or entertaining. It was the brute strength villains that were generally more underwhelming and less interesting, because their parts in the stories generally boiled down to just shouting a lot and then fighting.
>Tong Fo (aka furry Christopher Walken),
Okay presentation, but in the end still the same "I want to find and use this destructive artifact because I'm evil" stuff.
>the Croc Bandits
Joke characters that actively degraded the series by making everyone wonder why it takes so long for them to get BTFOed, even though they are hardly different from rhino guards or Shen's wolves which any kung fu master could defeat with his pinky.
Another villain reliant on hunting for magic gimmicks. His machines, IMO, were poorly designed. Also, there were better villains with grudges against Shifu.
By himself Junjie was good. Too bad that he come into the series dragging the idea that the Jade Palace was beholden in any way to some higher authority, even though in the movies the Jade Palace school was pretty clearly supposed to hold the highest power and respect not only in the kung fu world, but in the whole China (as of KFP3 it is pretty clear that if KFP China even has an Emperor it is a non-entity and the country is controlled by kung fu masters).
>General Tsin, and Mugan
These were OK.
Also, if I remember correctly who General Tsin is, then he was right all along.
It's not a bad show, it's just nowhere near as good as the movies. The animation is very noticeably worse, and the stories are a bit bland and trope-y. (and like half of the episodes are "Po fucks something up and then spends the rest of the episode fixing it")
Despite having different VAs for almost every character, they still manage to sound almost identical to the movie VAs, so that's nice.
And unlike the movies, the F5 actually get focus, which is also nice.
Most of the villains are kinda meh, but it does have a few good ones, like Fenghuang.
They have chosen the episodic format, with practically no extended story arcs, that shot them in both feet. It is understandably difficult to invent credible challenges for characters that are already pretty much top dogs. It is far more difficult, when you need to do a new story every week. There were far too many trash antagonists who shouldn't have posed any challenge to the group that beaten Tai Lung and Shen; far too many retarded (or overused, or both) plots and antithematic plot devices, like ultra-powerful magic items with which the Furry China was apparently littered, despite absence of such in the movies. Also, lack of extended stories meant that the balance of gags and drama shifted too far towards the former.
Also, while I can understand severely downgraded models, animation also usually was very choppy and stilted. If you expect Clone Wars-tier CG fights, you will be disappointed.
That said, it is not completely bad, there are some decent episodes.
Yeah, there's certainly a much larger focus on comedy (especially slapstick) in the TV series. A bit offputting.
And yes, at times the animation feels VERY stilted and...I dunno, too fast? It just looks like the characters are moving way too fast sometimes, compared to the movie's animation.
Like, for example,
Notice how Crane and Mantis move really quickly, and Tigress/Viper just like...snap out of sight in just a few frames. This kind of super-fast movement tends to be used a lot. Not all the time, just...frequently.
Wow, that's ugly. It looks like a PS3 game.
The show does have some good moments in terms of animation, though. The fight scenes are generally pretty entertaining and Sifu Kisu from Avatar was their martial arts advisor. And despite its writing problems, Enter the Dragon had some genuinely good animation.
Clone Wars has really spoiled us. Each episode had a budget of several million dollars while I can guarantee that the average episode of KFP was made for less than $1 million. Having said that, once you get past the fact that it's got TV quality animation, it does actually serve as a pretty good example of how to correctly do CG economically on TV. After I saw a few episodes I stopped getting hung up over it not looking anywhere near as good as the movies, and as someone who is studying CG animation it was interesting to take note of where they got away with taking shortcuts to save time and money, albeit there were some examples that were pretty obvious (there was a shot in one episode where you can actually see the edge of the map on the bamboo forest set).
I say if you haven't seen it, give a few episodes a try. You don't really have anything to lose other than an hour of your time.
CGI is probably cheaper and faster to do.
That and, in this case, they're going to stick to CGI because the source material is CGI.
The TV series still does the short 2d-animated sequences, but again, they're nowhere near as detailed or well-animated as the ones in the movies.
"Not bad but nowhere near as good as the movies" sums up the TV series in general.
Yeah, I'm not saying the animation is bad, it's just not as good as the movies. Watching the first few episodes after seeing the amazingly-animated movies, the difference in animation quality is like night and day. But it's very far from being unwatchable.
If you want more KFP and are willing to put up with reduced quality, then the show is perfectly fine. By TV standards there's not really anything inherently wrong with it, although new viewers should approach it with realistic expectations.
I think the best thing to take away from the show is that it actually gives a good amount of focus to the Furious 5, Shifu, and even Ping. A lot of people praised KFP3 for giving a lot of screen time to Ping, which was kind of funny to me just because in the show there were whole episodes about him. The show really shines when it's able to focus on specific characters and build them up, because in a TV show you actually have the luxury of time in ways which a movie doesn't.
>I think the best thing to take away from the show is that it actually gives a good amount of focus to the Furious 5, Shifu, and even Ping.
Yeah, that's generally what I watched it for. None of the movies really focus very much on the F5 at all, and as a result, they just feel like a cheerleading squad for Po that just follows him around to save his ass. It's really nice to see them actually getting characterization and progression in the TV series.
The show also has pretty good music for the most part, too. Again, not as good as the movies, but still good by TV standards, probably because it was done by Track Team (Avatar).
One thing that's weird if you binge the show though, is that you will at some point have Chinese-sounding music stuck in your head when you're not watching.
Perhaps they can do a new show on Netflix someday.
There you can get some more fuzz, and 13 episode marathonable batches that are suitable for trying to have a plot.
I think there probably will be more KFP on Netflix. KFP is one of Dreamworks' more popular brands, and some very low hanging fruit would be to start by just putting the lost episodes of LOA on Netflix.
LOA's popularity was never really something hanging in doubt when it was on Nick-- it was the fallout between Paramount and Dreamworks that got it canceled halfway through Season 3. Nick decided they'd rather focus on their own action cartoon brands like Korra and Ninja Turtles than give advertising to Dreamworks, who has gone from being a fellow member of the big happy Viacom family to being their competition.
The lost episodes are the second half of Season 3. They aired on some foreign networks, such as in Germany, but they have not been released in English and you can't even find torrents of them.
All of Season 3 was finished. It was during the mid-season hiatus that things fell apart with Viacom, and the show never came back from hiatus. Nick has presumably been sitting on the broadcast rights out of spite, while Dreamworks waits for them to expire so they can put the show on Netflix.
CGI isn't cheaper, especially since the TV show team can't use movie assets because some geometry thing
But the source is 3D and KFP is big enough to put more money into a series, so thats why they did it like that
The initial cost of doing 3D on television is expensive, but it works itself out after a season or two because you only have to make the models once. The tech and pipelines have improved a lot, too. We've gone from CG being almost unworkable on TV to being common in just a decade.
> right and wrong not being what's good for you and what's bad for you
I'm not sure what exactly is going on. It's really hard to find news about this sort of thing, so probably the only way to find out would be to ask one of the producers directly about the situation at a convention or something. I'm pretty sure LOA will be on Netflix eventually, but there is no timeline for it and it's probably a safe bet that they are still waiting for their lawyers to get the rights back from Nick.
KFP3 didn't have a lot of pacing problems, but they avoided them but just throwing all of the supporting characters from the first two movies off to the side so they didn't have to do anything with them. I would have rather had a longer movie with more opportunities to focus on the other characters.
KFP2 is still the best movie in the series but that one especially would have benefited from another 20 to 30 minutes. It had the most opportunities to develop the Furious 5 as characters, especially since it was about them traveling to another city with Po, but it didn't have time to take advantage of them.
Just like pandas, /kfp/ is slow, lazy, and doomed to extinction unless it has constant supervision.
Oddly enough, today's /zoo/ got deleted by the janitor seemingly for no reason after about 240 posts. I really don't understand what goes through the janitor's head.
The main problem is this:
>/co/ hates it
It's utter shit.
>/co/ thinks it's meh
It's utter shit.
>/co/ likes it
It's utter shit.
>/co/ loves it.
>/co/ loves it but almost never makes any fucking threads about it.
Since KFP is good, it's difficult to make shitposts about it. Therefore nobody on /co/ has anything to say.
/co/ mods and janitors are rather weird, yes. Over the past few months they've taken up a habit of deleting links to off-site porn, even if it's like...a Mediafire download of a RAR full of porn, they still delete it.
Nah, there are occasional shitposts in these threads, but they're all the same unoriginal, no-effort shitposts about "omg who watches this gay shit"
Yeah, but the key word there is "Occasional". Except the one dude who made fun of Shen, I haven't seen too much of it. There's nobody going around complaining about "edge" or how everything is a SJW conspiracy.
I hate legit SJWs as much as the next guy, but what makes them annoying is how they take every excuse to politicize everything. Now anti-SJWs are doing the exact same shit.
"I know this is the Kung-Fu Panda thread, but you know that Tigress is a SJW conspiracy to promote feminism, right?" is just as annoying as "I know this is the Kung-Fu Panda thread, but you know that America was founded on genocide and slavery by evil cis white men, right?", pal. Sorry to burst your bubble.
>the whole thing is a western mistake
M U L A N
I always thought of it as "Gargoyles Syndrome", myself.
I want to fuck Griff.
I prefer my evil owls to not be beaten up.
I just watched Kung Fu Panda 2 and what the fuck?
Am I not supposed to feel bad for the peecock's death?
Shouldn't Po have at least shown him the way of the good guy by saving him from the falling mast?
They sorta imply that Shen found inner peace in death (the exploding fireworks resemble a peacock shape), but for the most part that scene was just to show Shen getting killed by his own actions. The dialogue and brief fight scene beforehand are what matter more to the story and themes.
>Po sends Tai Lung to the Spirit Realm in the first movie
>Tai Lung doesn't make an appearance as a Jade Zombie in KFP 3
It would have been a nice touch, but probably would have taken focus off of Kai
Po forgave him and gave him a way out, even after all the horrible things Shen had done to Po, his people, and his friends. And yet Shen still wouldn't give up his anger and hatred, and his death was ultimately his own fault. He never saw the light but at least he was put out of his misery.
>probably would have taken focus off of Kai
I'm 99% sure that's why they didn't do it. Even so, they kind of opened the door for Tai Lung to have escaped the spirit realm, which they can keep in their back pocket for the future if there is more KFP to come in the future (whether it's a new movie or more TV).
Man I love Tai Lung, personally my favorite though Shen gets mad respect, but if they brought him back that's some dangerous territory.
If they retread him as a villain, it's ogre they truly are just sequels for sequels sake. The only possible way is if he came back friendly or at least good in some capacity.
The whole parallel they're trying to spell out between Shen and Po kinda falls flat to me. I get that the whole point is that Po is different from Shen, and can thus forgive and find peace, but he and Shen just seem so different that trying to compare them seems farcical. Shen is a fucking genocidal warlord, of COURSE Po is better than him. Po would've been better than Shen even if he hadn't ever found inner peace. Hell, Po would have been better than Shen even if he'd gotten pissed and slaughtered him in cold blood. Po is never really tempted to become like Shen, because to do that, he'd have to massacre a whole village of peacocks. Saying "Our hero is better than a mass-murderer!" isn't saying much at all.
That was the prototype backstory for Shen where his parents didn't look after him due to being born sickly pale. In the final cut of the film Shen was very much raised by his parents with no resentment for his pale feathers. Soothsayer, a shit.
You guys keep forgetting the part where the Soothsayer kept telling him "IF YOU CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH." Shen wanted to be emperor of China. He wanted to conquer using guns. All he had to do was stop, but he didn't listen no matter how many times he was warned.
There's actually 3 episodes you should watch if you want to get the full experience, because it was one episode in an ongoing arc focusing on a specific character.
S01e15 Kung Fu Kid
S02e09 Master and the Panda
S03e13 Kung Fu Club
It was more about the fact that Po was capable of forgiving the man who committed genocide on his people than it was about drawing parallels between them. Being able to forgive Shen and wanting to spare him, even though Po had every right to hate him and would have been justified in killing him without mercy, was a testament to Po's character, not an attempt to show equivalence between Po's emotional torment and Shen's.
China would have been better off with Shen as ruler and only Kung Fu warlords would be killed while trying to hold onto their little fiefdoms.
Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.
>I think the soothsayer had hoped even until the end that Shen would finally head her advice and abandon his quest for power. She could no longer get through to him and decided it was time to sink or swim, and sadly Shen chose to sink. She did everything in her power to save Shen from himself, and making him face Po again was his last chance. When she found Po still alive, badly injured as he was, it was validation that Shen could not change his destiny unless he changed his own path.
So what do you guys think about Po's fantasy / spirit realm outfit? I think the hat and cape are a bit much, although the black and white outfit with the wushu sleeves is pretty cool.
He confiscated all the people's metal for making his weapons, they lived in constant fear of harassment and violence from Shen's enforcers, and he trashed his own palace. He was not off to a very good start, and he never even presented a plan of how he would actually run China or what policies he'd implement once he conquered it.
Then why give Shen the "emotional torment" aspect at all? You could've had Po forgive him just the same even if Shen had just raided the village for money or something.
Except the people his idiot wolf troops kept beating and stealing from.
He was the buffalo war general you used alot of weapons in his right. His thing was that he was either senile or insane.
Actually it was interesting because he wasn't really a bad guy just crippled with dementia so much that he was dangerous to people.
Kinda like Kai in some regards.
>Then why give Shen the "emotional torment" aspect at all? You could've had Po forgive him just the same even if Shen had just raided the village for money or something.
Because it shows that there might have been something in Shen that was worth saving, even if he couldn't be saved from himself. He was a real person who went down a very dark path and wouldn't turn back, not just some omnipotent force of evil with a face.
He was kind of a sad character. He was a great hero of Kung Fu who had simply lost his marbles due to his old age and probably in part due to all the shit he had seen. He was not really evil, just crazy.
And he was voiced by R. Lee Ermey which made him all the better.
But why include Shen's halfway sympathetic side if it has no thematic relevance to Po's quest for inner peace? They were trying to draw parallels between the two characters, to show how Po was better than Shen. But it doesn't work, because your average pickpocket would be better than Shen.
If I remember right wasn't KFP3 delayed because Mei Mei's, the girl panda, voice actor backed out? She was hardly anything in the movie so did they retool the story so her character didn't have such a prominent role?
>But why include Shen's halfway sympathetic side if it has no thematic relevance to Po's quest for inner peace? They were trying to draw parallels between the two characters, to show how Po was better than Shen. But it doesn't work, because your average pickpocket would be better than Shen.
You have to understand that these movies are understandably influenced Chinese (and, more generally, Eastern) ethics. Where, if you break them down to the basic level, actions are only deemed wrong insofar as emotions associated with them hurt you. Shen is depraved and Po is enlightened not because Shen murdered fuckton of people - murder itself is practically irrelevant to the moral calculus here. Shen is worse than Po because Po manages to overcome passions and inner turmoil that are leading him to destruction, while Shen remains enslaved to them.
Po really is an indigo child.
I hope he causes the Third Impact in the 8th movie. Otherwise, It'll be shit.
It's Po though, "a bit much" fits him perfectly.
The hat is kind of an edgy fantasy thing, though. Everyone likes Po because he's goofy, and in his head the hat is cool because it hides his face. It's perfectly within his character that he'd think a hat would make him cooler, but at the same time the audience would like him less if he wore one regularly because they want to always see his goofy face.
My advice to Po would be to keep the black and white wushu-inspired outfit but ditch the hat.
But then how will he use Disc of Destruction?
>tfw I enjoy the shitty Hearthstone IOS ripoff more than the actual Hearthstone game
I wish you weren't limited to KFP characters though. The game has a kiddie way of making usernames but you're essentially making your own characters.
I want to fight Shen in cards as Awesome Argalii
Yeah but a running gag for the first two seasons was that Fung had been mispronouncing his name as "Gary," and that's a reason Gahri cites for being so angry at him in The Break Up.
It's doing decently. For a January release it's actually setting records, although January isn't exactly a month known for $100 million openings. It's still yet to open in many territories, too.
Its opening weekend was only a little worse than the 2nd movie's.
And yes, >>79659572 It's apparently the largest January opening of all time or something like that. And it's not premiering until March in various countries around Europe, so there's still a lot more income to be made.
I'd say it's doing very fine in theaters.
Either tonight or by tomorrow night. I'm excessively lazy with my writing.
I was being ironic.
Pic relate is true best ship.
Only for you, anon.
Yeah, it doesn't help that I've got the house to myself for the week. Extra laziness in being able to do whatever I want all day every day.
Well you're in luck, because the fic I'm scribbling up right now will contain a bit of that.
after Fenghuang is done with him, that is
Wow, jeez. Shifu really does sound...nothing at all like in the movies or TV series. They got James Hong and Jack Black, why couldn't they get Dustin Hoffman?
Also kek at how rushed the "see KFP3 in theaters" is, while the "WIX.COM" stays onscreen for like 5 seconds.
Otherwise, pretty cute.
Yeah, if there really was some kind of "falling out" between Nick and DW, then it's unlikely that we're going to see the 2nd half of S3 in English any time soon. Might as well have subbed versions, as they're better than nothing.
Aaaaand there we go. Pretty short little scribble, but it was a fun creative exercise.
And extremely vanilla, compared to the fucked up fetishy crap that I usually write http://pastebin.com/p8XEMKDX
>''ooooOOOOOLD SPICE ODOR BLOCKER BODY WASH IS SO POWERFULL THAT IT TURNS YOUR SWEAT INTO INNER PEACE!''
>''SO POWERFULL IT CREATES A SHIFU OUT OF YOUR SWEAT!''
>''DOUBLE KUNG FU MASTER POWEEEEEEEEEEE-''
Huh, apparently DW made more than one commercial for Wix.
Would love to see a full length Old Spice parody, though.
Gonna see it this week, got $25 in movie ticket gift card and a bag of Skittles.
When is the best time in the week to avoid families in the audience? I was thinking Wednesday at 12. Tomorrow I'd be asleep by then, and Tuesday afternoon I have plans.
Just got back from the movie. Visuals were amazing, plot was pretty generic but good characters made it shine. Jack Black finds a way to deliver cringey but in a good way lines.
Also tigress best girl
Neat, I didn't know there were a bunch of these.
That Shifu voice still sucks though. It's like the stand-in actor they got only saw the character design and had no idea what he actually sounded like, and went for a stereotypical Asian wise-man voice which is absolutely nothing like Shifu. Should have gotten Hoffman, or the guy who plays Shifu in LOA.
My two won on this. The story was rushed. I really would have been happy if they would have stretched this out another half hour to flesh out some of the story and give us some longer shots of people's reactions. The villain was boring, and the dad was really an asshole that brought nothing to the table. The visuals were pretty, but they're always pretty, give me some good story telling, I'm not going to thank you for the same shit every time with nothing new. Also a waste of a good Tigress. It's like they could only pay Jolie by the syllable.