>Rebels Mid-Season Trailer:
>Newest Rebels Recon Episode (2x11 - Princess on Lothal):
>Star Wars Canon Guide:
>Download links: (Books, Comics, Rebels, Films, etc)
>The Clone Wars Legacy Content:
We literally already had this shit thread, fuck off already.
>/co/'s official fetish or something?
No, it's just some idiot that spams this shit constantly. We had the exact same thing last week. He's just doing it for the luz. Also /co/s fetish might be short-stacks.
Was this the most badass villain introduction in Star Wars?
>that intimidating shuttle landing
>that Kylo Ren theme
>that use of the force
Honestly, Season 1 Inquisitor. I fucking loved his first appearance when he greets Ezra and Kanan in the prison cell and calmly, ruthlessly curbstomps Kanan while lecturing Ezra about the Dark Side. Perfect establishing scene. Sad he didn't survive the season.
not him, we've been using this general to talk about more than just rebels for years now.
TFA is part of star wars
SW General, not shit general.
Can we talk about GOOD Star Wars?
The biggest part of the episode for me was small but telling. When Ezra jumped up and latched onto the stormie and starting beating his shit in. Even Kanan was surprised by his action there, definitely telling of his dark side slippage.
>Gotta make sure they recognize her when her family comes back.
It was how young Rey was just a smaller version of current Rey. I wonder if maybe the vision was...blurring her past and present self? Sounds like the kind of thing the Force tends to do.
But the real reason is JJ felt people were too stupid to recognize babby Rey otherwise.
Never really looked into choking, could be cool.
Honestly I'm not sure why you seem so surprised to find someone with such a taste, on 4chan nonetheless, considering how relatively common domination and submission are in human sexuality.
The Emperor appearing in Jedi. So calm and confident, even though appearing to be a weak old man. Then that creepy ass laugh as the scene fades out. You don't need to go showing off badass powers to prove how strong you are, just got to have gravitas.
Your fault for blowing up their chieftain's keldabe warship and wiping yellow corruption all over Mandalore. Pirate scum.
Personally, I prefer Kylo's because of the blaster bolt freeze, but they were all very good. Now the bigger question is, what's the worst villain intro in Star Wars?
No. He's an alpha male. Pic related. I'm not Filoni
Well, Grievous is a coward and kind of played for laughs. Dooku also isn't all that imposing, but is at least more of a character than either Grievous or Maul. So I'd go with either of those really.
Hey that's not funny,
okay it's a bit funny
And they obviously didn't die instantly or painlessly. I can't think of another cartoon that explicitly showed a teenager getting shot and killed
Among my least favorites:
>Dooku never got a good theme song in the movies, and they tried to make him so subtle about being a bad guy that his appearances never had much impact. Thankfully, him showing up on Tatooine in the TCW movie was suitable for Christopher Lee's trademark villainy.
>Grievous in RotS, on top of most kids being upset at how pathetic he was compared to his Genndywars version (I got over it, love him TCW now), he just never felt like a passable villain on the Invisible Hand or on Utapau, and Kenobi keeps trying to make a fool of him, undercutting the menace he got in his animated appearances.
>Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother. Their first appearance felt like they were squandering their powers in contrast to the earlier Inquisitor who made full use of his first impressions. I'm optimistic about them growing into better characters later, but their first episode didn't make them out to be impactful villains themselves, and created more of an insidious greater scope of the Empire's dark siders beyond just them, rather than making either of them intimidating on their own merit.
It's the prequel babbies, they hate the OT as well and throw a bitch fit at anyone whose taste isn't as shit as theirs for daring to talk about the actual decent parts of Star Wars in their precious safe space. I wish more people would just report and move on instead of indulging their worthless autistic posts.
It's an extreme thing. You either like it enough to defend it, or hate it enough to shitpost it every chance you get. ...and God help you if you speak the truth and say that it's just a movie that's no better/worse than another.
>hurrr look at all the death and mature shit im muh cartoon! it's totally not for kids so you can't say shit about me watching it!
>SO NO BULLY
That's what this thread is starting to look like. I bet you're the same crowd that freaks out and makes threads on /co/ when Regular Show says things like 'crap' and go "HOW DID THEY GET AWAY WITH THAT!?"
Yes, hell in the first issue of Shattered Empire, they feed some sort of unknown meat to the rebels there and you see stormtrooper helmets in the foreground. It was kinda fucked up.
I think it was lacking but had a good waifu
The characters were all pretty good and likable, imo.
It is not. I've encountered people who like it, but no one I actually know likes it.
I am not. I got a text from my friend last week who saw it for the first time and his exact words were "Just saw Force Awawakens. What a hunk of shit". He and his gf hated it.
California. The birthplace of all Star Wars.
I'm running out of webms...
Buzz droids hit the ship then seek out weak points. Cluster bombs spread their damage around wherever they hit.
They're like dick-seeking bullets. Just knowing you have them is going to have the enemy thinking twice about the fight.
I don't believe. I can't imagine there are people with such shit taste. I get why some people wouldn't like TFA, but it's a well directed movie regardless of your personal opinion.
I grew up with the prequels and I don't know a single person who doesn't find those movies to be mediocre at best. I love them all, I'm as big a Star Wars fan as a person can be, but come the fuck on, there is no way you can spin it that puts even RotS above a 7/10 with TPM and AOTC at 6's because I'm generous and have nostalgia for them. The OT and TFA are vastly superior. I honestly just want to watch you die so that I can take comfort in knowing such a terrible opinion has left this world for good, and I don't appreciate how far to the dark side you've made me fall to say that.
IIRC, the old excuse was that they were built to sabotage ships or targets that needed to be captured, or that were carrying something important on them. So, if a republic ship had a prototype piece of tech the CIS wanted to steal, they'd have some buzzers latch on and cripple the ship while leaving the target unharmed and ready for capture.
If that changed, then I have no idea why they're still around.
I-It's a action show not a horror show anon
He was originally supposed to die in the TIE Fighter crash but JJ liked his performance so much that he did some last minute changes to keep him alive and have a slightly larger role. Which is why he sort of just shows up again out of nowhere at Takodana. They definitely see how well liked the character is and are expanding his role in the next two films. Likely part of the Episode 8 rewrites going on now.
It was so amazing. Even three or four years later after it aired its pretty solid.
It really isn't, though.
I legit have not spoken an adult who enjoyed. My uncles didn't like it, saying "it was pretty much just the first one". My parents didn't have anything to say about after they saw it except 'eh'. My friends didn't like it. I mean, I didn't like it, but one of my friends seemed offended by it being so bad, which made for a heated bar discussion.
Even my normie friends didn't really like it. And when I say 'normie' I mean people who don't work in television and film, as that's the background of most of my friends. People who know shit about film and direction, and they for the most part don't think it's 'well directed' except for one who is a literal shill.
You're welcome to think I'm 'memeing' or trying to shitpost if it makes you feel better in your hugbox, it really doesn't matter to me. You're exactly the kind of person the movie is geared towards: an idiot. So whatever.
By my recollection, only three, including myself, actually said it's worse than the prequels.
The prequels never really came up in any other discussion, except with my dad. I don't know why it should. They're different movies. One's quality does not affect the other.
Why should we grade Star Wars movies on a curve?
Can't we just get an Ahsoka ongoing to explain what the hell she did for 20 years?
Just report this baiting piece of trash and stop giving him attention. He's full of shit and completely out of touch with the world and he's ruining the thread with his retardation, stop allowing it.
>the retard who's upset that there's continuity between the shows is back
you need some fresh bait
No, you can't. But if you can put together your argument in a well thoughtout and coherent manner and have a civil back and forth, I'll just chalk it up to a difference of opinion rather than you being a literal retard.
You know, not even /sheev/ but what exactly does the Empire do that makes it so heinous and evil? (besides blowing up planets, which they only do much later on in their reign).
I mean, in so many of the books and comics they bang on about how evil and oppressive the whole thing is, and yet all their attempts of proving it seem to be very much forced (no pun intended). In fact most of the oppressive things the Empire seem to do are just retaliatory measures taken out against rebels and dissidents. To quote Prince George from Blackadder "...tell me about these "oppressed masses", what are they so worked up about?"
Are these rebels just nationalists who are upset because they're ruled by a guy 300 light-years away?
Are they starving? Because unless the planet is being blockaded they don't seem to be suffering in terms of material losses.
Really half the time any rebel character talks to a neutral person all they do is bang on about 'muh freedom' rather than citing any factual problem.
There's a difference between an echo chamber and a thread full of shitposting children lashing out at people for enjoying TFA and the OT instead of their trash prequels, which is exactly what retards like him are trying to do. It creates problems and ruins threads, which is what has happened here. If you want to call it an echo chamber, fine, you're wrong, but it's vastly better than the cancer we're being forced to put up with right now.
>There's a difference between an echo chamber and a thread full of shitposting children lashing out at people for enjoying TFA and the OT
Yeah! This thread should be about lashing out at people who DON'T enjoy TFA! That's TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
Right guys!? *echo chamber nods in agreement*
>not even /sheev/
>goes full /sheev/
Large scale slavery for one. They also seem to be on a crusade against personal rights, eventually dissolve the senate, and maintain a massive military force against... Oh, yeah, there's no enemy except their own people. There's also the kidnappings, brainwashing, etc, etc. And if you make a mistake, or worse yet, someone else makes a mistake under your watch, you can be killed for it instead of just being fired or reprimanded.
What about that is well thought-out? What about that is making a case in favor of TFA not being in the tier of the prequels?
You're just saying why you don't like the prequels, not why you think TFA is better. And all of your points could be said about TFA as well.
So you are a literal retard after all...
TCW is part of the PT. And is as bad and unnecessary than that shitty movies. But whatever, at least Disney is intelligent, and dont bother with neither TCW and Rebels.
The OT and the new movies are the only real canon. Everything else, is just for manchildrens.
>the bad parts
Literally the only complaints I've heard about this movie are "Mary Sue Rey", "ANH 2.0" and "no exposition". It's really just nitpicking and personal opinions, not actual flaws. And even if all of that were true, it would still be a fun and entertaining movie with good dialogue and a perfect mix of practical effects and CGI. That alone makes TFA hundred times better than any of the prequels.
While its true the person hating on TFA didnt really give any other reason besides "my friends and family didnt like it", Ive seen in previous threads anons lashing out at criticisms of TFA. Its turning into an echo chamber.
>hating PT and/or OT
the fuck? Havent seen that echo in previous threads.
Well, the Separatists seem to have been guided by large corporate interests from the background...
Fair enough. To go a little meta though, is there an in-universe explanation as to why? I'd guess an attempt to concentrate/solidify power in backlash against the separatists however it does seem to be Sheev shooting himself in the foot by just antagonising people...
Not really. I like to have actual discussion. I just expected you to make a more technical argument. You just made a list that just said "it was boring" which really doesn't tell us anything about why you think TFA is better than the prequels.
>While its true the person hating on TFA didnt really give any other reason besides "my friends and family didnt like it"
No one asked me for 'reasons'. I made that statement, the powers that be called bullshit, and I elaborated on what I observed.
The thread is for talking about everything Star Wars. Rebels, TCW, TFA, OT, PT, NuCanon, Legends. Everything. If people want to have a non-critical conversation about any of those things, they should be able to do so without being attacked. Telling people to fuck off because they want to talk about an aspect of Star Wars that you personally don't enjoy only brings negative vibes to the thread.
By all means, be critical or praising of anything you like. But do so in an intelligent way, without insulting anybody or driving people out just because their opinion is different. These threads can be comfy without being an echochamber/hugbox, all it takes is altering the tone that you use when talking to each other and not taking things personally.
Basically: grow up.
I can't decide what to
listen tonext. Can you guys help me out?
Which of these are best in terms of
(stuff like major characters from mainline stuff dying etc. Boba Fett being confirmed alive in Aftermath is a good example of what I mean.)
>Audio book quality
Any help is appreciated.
Disney doesn't care about PT, and certainly, neither about TCW and Rebels. Even if Rebels is sucking the huge dick of TFA, this isn't a 69. No movie will refer the series as canon.
So? TFA's flaws are very minor, but people here are still denying that it's well directed. I've never seen anyone here criticizing ROTJ for the ewoks or ANH for it's cheesy dialogue and less than stellar acting. These are just minor flaws that most people can ignore. So why is it so hard for people to enjoy TFA despite it's minor flaws?
Well I just read lords of the sitj and it was great.
Lots of character for Vader, some good empire in fighting and a cool look at the post empire free ryloth movement and the people who make it
That's because Ezra is being built up to be her love interest. This all in preperation for the Disney re releases of the OT where Han will be replaced with Ezra. Chopper will be replacing Luke.
/swr/, I've been gone from these threads for like 2 weeks and a half casue
I was over in /sug/,and then /k/ for a while.
What did I miss aside from the the trailer?
also, what was the threads reaction to the trailer
that was maul right?
Do you really think Disney, a large scale corporation, has time to settle whats canon? Hell, they just bought star wars for the merchandising and profit. If they really didnt care about the prequels, they wouldnt let the director of episode 8 say that he found the prequels to be "beautiful"(probably from a artwork/design perspective) or let JJ mention the sith and the clones in episode 7.
Basically, you think Disney actually gives a flying fuck about Star Wars and its image.
A few threads ago, yes. We have to get back in the habit of putting them in the OP for new threads, if we can beat the stupid fetishposter to it.
2x11 is "A Princess on Lothal" by the Rebels Recon number system.
Just by nature of it being a remake of a movie that was made 30 years eariler by a man who can't blink without copying Spielberg and not understanding why Spielberg does it, it was the most boring. Because we've literally seen it all before.
There were no interesting visuals. The pacing was far too fast for any one shot to matter or make an impact. There was no real taking advantage of modern technology or filmmaking techniques. Nothing really got a chance to stand out. They touted the practical effects and sets and stunts, but the only thing that remotely stood out was the attack on the Jakku junk town.
The completely contrived nature of several plot points like the Han Solo ship, the incredibly stupid nature of "the map", and more only really fall flat. But what really fell flat was the half assed introduction to a character that's suppose to be the new big bad, Snoke. There was no introduction, set up, no anything. You don't really get an impression of him as anything other than a Palpatine clone.
Then all the familiar and predictable story beats of rescue Rey, break in the fortress, attack the bigger Death Star, all just brought in with an atmosphere of 'who cares?' There wasn't really an effort to put in stakes for these major scenes, because they felt they didn't have to. That much is obvious. Even the characters themselves treat the whole situation with an air of "we do this shit all the time, big deal."
And getting off technical aspects of the film, say what you will about George as a director and script writer, but what he always had going for him was imagination. Always trying to improve and do outdo himself. JJ Abrams' notion of 'going backward before you go forward' is insulting to that legacy in the same way his Star Trek movies were an insult to the spirit of Star Trek.
Far from it anon. Better than Aftermath, but that's not saying much since that was a genuine 0/10, but it's certainly not very good. Lords of the Sith and Twilight Company are must reads. And Lost Stars if you haven't already.
It's just straight up not true to say that Disney doesn't care about the PT, although not as openly or lovingly as the OT. And saying they don't care about products like Rebels, the Kanan comic or the Anakin and Obi Wan comic they're actively financing and marketing right now is just being wilfully ignorant (not to mention the abundance of PT references in all of the NuCanon OT-era comics and novels).
TFA does borrow from lore established in the PT as well - the Sith, the need for the Force to be in balance (as mentioned by Lor San Tekka in the opening scene), the Jedi Temple are all referenced by characters in the film, and all were concepts that did not exist before TPM was released. And as the art book shows, at the concept stage many prequel elements were being included, the biggest of which being Hayden Christensen's return as Anakin's ghost (which may yet be carried over for the next movie).
That person has the worst taste or he was playing you.
The first half or so was pretty good. But that just makes it all the more terrible, once, the book just goes completely retarded later on.
Reposting the DL links for Princess on Lothal
Oh, then going by Rebels Recon then yes, it's here.
>Clearly, Force Awakens is far from the worst Star Wars movie, but it might actually be the least interesting. In some ways, the triumph of this, Star Wars 2.0—and its predictable, nostalgia-reliant, repackaged thrills—is a defeat for what made the trilogy extraordinary in the first place—its madcap sci-fi originality and genre-bending experimentation.
>Force Awakens is the most derivative Star War; as some commenters have pointed out, it’s almost a scene-by-scene remake of A New Hope. At first that’s a huge relief (no prequel-scale disaster in sight) and exciting, even. We watch imperial troops from a galactic empire pursue a robot with stolen plans across a desert planet and into the care of a young loner with mysterious powers who was then aided by a wisecracking smuggler and his space ape in a seedy interstellar tavern where cheerful aliens play catchy orbital music, and we all grin wide.
>But by the time the Rebellion/Resistance is blowing up the third incarnation of the Death Star in almost as many films, doesn’t the Force seem to be contracting a bit? We’ve been here so, so many times. And that’s to say nothing of the host of callbacks to past plot points, cameos from beloved characters from the original films, and the familiar John Williams crescendos.
You can't stall the Maul.
The reactions were mostly positive, and it seemed to give a lot of people renewed confidence in Rebels going forward.
You also missed yesterday's new episode, A Princess on Lothal. Leia is introduced for the first time in Rebels. It is her only appearance this season.
We also got Kanan vs AT-AT action, along with Ezra growing momentarily closer to the dark side
You can watch/download it from the links these anons posted >>79191234
I agree with this. TFA was definitely flawed in its concepts. They went over board with the parallelism with A new hope.
However, I did think the characters and visuals were top notch. Although CGI, was fairly obvious in some scenes, the castle was what I was most surprised by as most was CG. The characters, although entertaining, lacked logical backstories and had no real interesting expansion or skillsets to expand from their backstory, besides Kylo Ren.
You can watch the episode to find out. Or read the spoiler.
Ezra savagely beats a trooper unconscious during a mission, and Kanan and Leia are surprised in the moment but say nothing.
Couldn't disagree more. TFA looked and felt awesome to me. The characters were likable, the visuals were amazing, the pacing was fast which made the movie more exciting, the cinematography was really beautiful at times (Han's death scene for example) and the humor was genuinely funny. Did we need a third Death Star? No. Was it wrong to give us almost no explanations about the state of the galaxy? Yes. But the movie was still very entertaining and actually felt like Star Wars, unlike the prequels that were just horribly directed, written and acted.
Pfft that's hardly dark side. Ezra is not goons go evil. This isn't Anakin 2 electric boogaloo.
Yea everything on Rebels looks kinda stiff/bad but I'm excited for more nu canon lore.
>the pacing was fast which made the movie more exciting
I couldn't disagree more.
The pacing is extremely disjointed. It relies on fast cuts away from the action that don't allow the film to breath with the brief moments of exposition it has. 1/3 of the movie is focused on the search for Luke, which takes a grinding halt until the last 30 seconds on the film.
Everything that happens in between is effectively filler for what the movie told us the plot was supposed to be.
>There were no interesting visuals.
What? This shot alone provides better visual storytelling than everything we've seen in the prequels. We instantly know many things about Rey's character and her life before she even says one line, thanks to the visuals.
You think the holonet has its own version of /mu/
Can JJ even approach this level of pottery?
>You now realize each of the prequel villains represented a different aspect of what Anakin would turn into
>Maul: Filled with rage
>Dooku: Fallen jedi
>Grevious: Cyborg with breathing problems
>Everything that happens in between is effectively filler for what the movie told us the plot was supposed to be.
So just like Empire, which is considered the best movie in the saga.
>Pfft that's hardly dark side. Ezra is not goons go evil.
And you believe you can defy the will of Old Master? Besides, it's confirmed by the trailer and Filoni that Ezra's going to have a brush with the dark side.
I couldn't disagree more. For one, I recall thinking some of the humor was funny when I saw it, but I cannot remember what. Like, I know the movie, but I legit can't recall which parts I actually found funny at the time. That may be a personal thing.
>Did we need a third Death Star?
Clearly we did, since they did it. When you're making a fantasy film like this, or fiction in general, they always say while you should give people what they want, you should also look to give people what they didn't know they wanted.
This film ignored that completely in favor of nostalgia and familiar story beats.
>But the movie was still very entertaining and actually felt like Star Wars
What does that mean exactly? People keep saying this like it means something, but I don't know what. Personally, I don't think I need a film to "feel like Star Wars" since I've seen Star Wars already. A bunch of times. A film that expands on the idea of Star Wars might be nice though.
>the pacing was fast which made the movie more exciting
The pacing made it hard to care about what was going on. Especially in the beginning. We don't really get a chance to care about these characters since they're spouting one liners and moving the plot along at the speed of light. The only character I felt we had an adequate amount of time with was Rey, and even then she was still sort of flat and distant to me.
>He did say that he's a fan of the Plinkett reviews though.
>Literally the only complaints I've heard about this movie
Did you even look?
That implies that he did hate the prequels though.
The "reviews" are just a stream of nitpicking that can be surprisingly easy to pick apart.
But it really boils down to Mike and his generation not understanding what exactly Star Wars is. They wanted a story similar to the OT which Lucas subverted.
Anyone else want to see more small scale wars covered in the new canon?
All we ever see is the same old imperial vs rebel or sepretist vs republic
I want to see an anthology movie or tv series that covers a small scale war between two neighboring planets disagreeing over trade or something. The war could be shown totally from both sides, not labeling either side as good or evil, and forcing the viewer to decide who they side with.
It could give us a look at how a planet without huge republic funding would battle. We could see new technology that isn't widely used outside the specific planets.
>Half of these are completely fucking retarded
>40. Is there any other film franchise in the history of cinema that would be permitted, by its fans and by critics, to recycle so many plot points?
Are they really?
>feels like star wars
The star wars universe is huge. Having every little thing from every era look and "feel" like the original trilogy is a huge huge huge missed opritunity. One of the reasons I like the prequels despite their flaws is because instead of trying to make everything look exactly the same, they just added on to the existing universe. Not remake it.
I think JJ deserves a little more credit when it comes to his direction. He has said that he took a leaf out of George's book and studied Kurosawa's mastery of choreography (presumably meaning not just his samurai movies but other masterpieces such as High and Low as well), and I think it shows. And yes, there are shades of Spielberg in there - his films are inarguably dynamic and full of energy, and his actors give entertaining performances - but I wouldn't accuse him of not understanding the grammar of Spielberg's films. I think he just lacks Spielberg's intuition - Spielberg has a real instinct for textured storytelling, not to mention gags and bits that really enliven an action scene, and JJ really doesn't have the eye for that. But TFA does have some very thrilling action beats - Rey turning the Falcon on it's tail so that Finn can shoot the TIE; Poe swooping around Maz's castle while we watch with Finn from the ground; the climactic lightsaber fight that has a genuine sense of physicality to it.
I also think it's unfair to say he didn't take advantage of modern technology when the truth is that it uses a very contemporary approach to blending practical effects with CGI, and would definitely not have been made this way 20 years ago (Snoke and Maz Kanata, for example, would have been very different, and many of the background creatures would have been executed less ambitiously).
Where the film falls down the most is in the script. The narrative just isn't as strong as it ought to be. I disagree with your assertion that it lacks tension, because I also disagree that the characters are flat - I actually think that Rey, Finn and Kylo are all adequately sympathetic and interesting characters, and I look forward to seeing them again. It's just that the story beats are too familiar, too safe, and there's too many instances of cutting narrative corners. The script needed at least 4 more drafts. They should have given Arndt the 18 months he wanted.
>40 unforgivable PLOT HOLES
>That is one of many on that list that aren't plot holes.
A lot of that list is "why wasn't this explained to me?" and shit like "Is Supreme Leader Snoke actually a giant? Because if not, wouldn't him using holographic technology to make himself appear huge be a pathetic affection signaling deep-seeded insecurities?"
Hey, does anyone recognize this blaster pistol? It's showed up twice in Rebels now, once with Azmorrigan and once in the hands of the Imperial officer from the most recent episode. I love the way it looks, and I wish I could put a name to it. Has it shown up at all in anything else?
I'm not trying to start a PT vs OT fight. I'm stickily speaking of the RLM plinkett reviews. It just seemed like past all of Mike's complaints he wanted to see Han, Luke, Leia the falcon and etc. But that story was concluded in ROTJ. We saw characters like Han evolve and change. We saw the Rebellion defeat the Empire. We didn't need the story again because it was finished. The prequels gave us a new story and more importantly told us Star Wars can be many things.
So for anyone who was interested the robot give away in Uprising is officially done
I'm not sure what going to be put up next but I've seen no word on what the next one entails
Hopefully not 200 fucking missions for one crew member
I mean literally huge. There are hundreds to thousands of planets in a galaxy, and millions to billions of years those planets have existed. Even if stuff was retconned.
I don't see a reason for constantly trying to push imperials and rebels when there is room for so much more.
I feel a lot of the shortcomings come down to the tight release schedule. Disney wanted the new films out as soon as possible and there just wasn't enough time to develop the story. The art book constantly has artists talking about looming schedules and having to quickly turn stuff around. For something this big it needed another year to solidify everything rather than rushing head in.
cause imperials are sexy as fuck anon
>I recall thinking some of the humor was funny when I saw it, but I cannot remember what. Like, I know the movie, but I legit can't recall which parts I actually found funny at the time. That may be a personal thing.
TFA was definitely the funniest Star Wars movie. There were so many great moments, like Rey and Finn discovering the falcon, Kylo's "The droid... stole a freighter?", Chewie being treated by that nurse or gif related. If you honestly can't remember anything funny, I suggest you watch the movie again.
>This film ignored that completely in favor of nostalgia and familiar story beats.
You have to realize though that many fans were disappointed by the prequels. Aside from the obvious issues like Jar Jar, the dialogue, the acting and the lack of fun and humor, they didn't just feel like the OT. It made sense for Abrams and for Disney to play it safe and bring back what people liked about the original Star Wars. And it's not like everything in this movie is unoriginal. Finn's story or the character of Kylo Ren are things we've never seen in Star Wars before.
>What does that mean exactly? People keep saying this like it means something, but I don't know what. Personally, I don't think I need a film to "feel like Star Wars" since I've seen Star Wars already. A bunch of times. A film that expands on the idea of Star Wars might be nice though.
It means fun and excitement. Why do you like the original Star Wars trilogy? I like it mostly because of the relatable characters, the sense of adventure and the fun. This is what the prequels lacked. There was no fun, no adventure. The characters were dull and the environments were lifeless. When the characters talked to each other they were sitting on a couch, standing in an elevator, sitting in an opera house etc...It was boring. When characters in the OT or TFA are having a conversation, someting exciting happens that makes us care about the scene. Star Wars should never bore you to death.
Number 1 problem with the PT was the lack of focus.
OT was very tightly focused on Luke, Leia, Han, and Vader. Its their story.
PT has all these characters that take up screen time yet add nothing to the story. The movies would have benefitted from a smaller cast IMO.
To be fair, Tyson's "I must autistically nitpick the science in every movie" crap is prime snark bait. Fuck's sake, the dude hates Disney's The Black Hole because the character's don't get shredded into spaghetti by the black hole and instead go through some 2001-tier headtrip that's meant to be a look at heaven and hell, but he just thinks it's a random inferno and realm of mirrors because athiesm.
His problems are with the awful dialog the awkward and unnatural characterization, over-complicated and nonsensical plot choices for a family space adventure series and the sterile overuse of cgi.
>I also think it's unfair to say he didn't take advantage of modern technology when the truth is that it uses a very contemporary approach to blending practical effects with CGI, and would definitely not have been made this way 20 years ago (Snoke and Maz Kanata, for example, would have been very different, and many of the background creatures would have been executed less ambitiously).
What I meant by that was that they aren't really shown off. The effects blend too much into the background so that you're not really noticing this cool monster or this great CG effect. Not saying that it should have been some kind of big Transformers-esqe SFX blowout, but there is a tasteful way to do it. I just don't think they captured the fantastical elements of Star Wars as well as they hoped.
And there were effects that just looked outright terrible. I thought Snoke looked like total crap. There could not be a faker looking thing than Snoke.
We can agree to disagree on the rest I guess. I wasn't too keen on the TIE Fighter chase, and thinking back on it, I don't believe I saw any Kurosawa. I'll agree with you on the last lightsaber fight, though.
So... Maul doesnt have a dick anymore, right?
TPM also feels really disconnected from the other two. It takes place 10 years earlier and the plot doesn't feel connected beyond sharing characters. The 3 year gap between AotC and RotS is much more in line with the time gaps between the OT films and helps keep things feeling more relevant to each other.
>There was no fun, no adventure
Podracing, lightsaber fights in elaborate environments, Obi-Wan doing detective shit, full-scale war scenes, battling Harryhausen monsters in a gladitorial arena aren't fun or adventurous?
Thanks for trying anyway, bro. Take a Slave Leia as payment.
Right JJ would never do that in fact I heard TFA used only practical effects handmade by Abrams himself.
He even built real flying x-wings and TIE's just because he hates CGI that much. His hatred for CGI literally willed them into existence.
That's 100% true though. And that CG has aged like milk. It hurts the films because George Lucas generally has a good eye for shot composition and framing, but when there's nothing to look at other than green and blue screened rooms with some props, he can't actually use those skills to good effect.
>was the lack of focus
The only film I think has this problem is The Phantom Meance. It tried to cover so much ground in so little time. The story could have been split into three movies. AOTC and ROTS jump right into the story. We understand exactly whats happening and why.
Comparing the OT dialogue with it and it's mostly similar. I didn't find the dialog a problem in the PT. It was pulp cheesy.
>over-complicated and nonsensical plot choices for a family space adventure series
But that's not true. And Star Wars isn't a space adventure. It's a story of a fallen hero whose redeemed by his son when you break it down. Lucas said it was in the same vein as old Greek tragedies. If you watch the films together, you really understand it. The fantasy setting is merely a story telling device.
Most people agree that Lost Stars and Twilight Company are the best new books, with Lords of the Sith and A New Dawn not far behind. Comic wise, Lando, Kanan are the best. Shattered Empire is good for the art and if you care about Poe's parents at all. Vader is good for the first book, then drops in quality and only entertains waifufags.
Everything else is eh to very bad, but you should read them all yourself and not let other people's opinions decide it for you.
>TFA was definitely the funniest Star Wars movie.
Probably. I never thought any of them are that funny to begin with.
>You have to realize though that many fans were disappointed by the prequels. Aside from the obvious issues like Jar Jar, the dialogue, the acting and the lack of fun and humor, they didn't just feel like the OT. It made sense for Abrams and for Disney to play it safe and bring back what people liked about the original Star Wars. And it's not like everything in this movie is unoriginal. Finn's story or the character of Kylo Ren are things we've never seen in Star Wars before.
Again, you should try to give audiences what they didn't know they wanted. It's a creativity thing. That's how new things get made. That's how Star Wars created. It's never a good idea to just shove in all the things the public demands. Not if you want a truly great film.
>This is what the prequels lacked. There was no fun, no adventure.
I couldn't disagree more. This is what the prequels excelled in actually. Feeding the imagination, giving you all kinds of huge battles, interesting aliens, locations, set pieces, fantastic space shit like podracing and droid footbal, crazy characters, etc.
The original trilogy didn't have nearly as much of that mostly because of the limitations of the time. But it still worked. So I don't know what you're talking about.
>When the characters talked to each other they were sitting on a couch, standing in an elevator, sitting in an opera house etc...It was boring.e characters talked to each other they were sitting on a couch, standing in an elevator, sitting in an opera house etc...It was boring.
Oh, so you think that's what counts as 'fun and adventure'? Well, if you pay attention, you'd realize that when people talk in the OT, they're mostly just standing there too when they aren't doing action. The only difference being that's better shot.
How is any of that fun, except for the arena part which was quickly ruined by the use of thousands of lightsabers which destroyed any kind of tension? You know what fun is? Han blasting the comlink ("boring conversation anyway") in ANH. The asteroid chase in TESB ("Never tell me the odds"). Poe and Finn escaping from the finalizer ("...You need a pilot." "I need a pilot")
Fun requires good and funny dialogue, chemistry between the actors and real tension that makes you feel like the characters could die at any moment. We never got that in the prequels. The characters weren't relatable enough for that.
Avoid Aftermath, form your own opinions on the others. It's kind of divided as to what novel people here would recommend but just pick one you think you may enjoy. If you like Tarkin the get Tarkin. If you want some Sith action with Sheev and Vader get Lords of the Sith. If you want a story set around the soldiers of the Rebel Alliance during the Galactic Civil war then get Battlefront Twilight Company
>I don't see a reason for constantly trying to push imperials and rebels when there is room for so much more.
People don't want anything different in their movies, they just want to feel like they did when they were younger, nostalgia for the masses makes them comfortable. Sameness is a stable environment for Hollywood to thrive in and makes loads of cash in the process. Kills originality but, Hollywood's been dead for years.
>And that CG has aged like milk. It hurts the films
What? I've never heard this before because if thats true, the OT falls apart because the technology was made in the 70/80s.
Jar Jar is a completely CGI character obviously but Chewbacca is obviously a man in a suit.
>And that CG has aged like milk.
Most CGI ages like milk. And the CGI that doesn't, guess where it comes from? ILM, a CGI company George Lucas created.
You're really going to fault George for trying to improve movie technology? That was always his goal with Star Wars.
I think they needed more focus on characters we already knew/cared about.
Like I know when I heard they were prequels I thought oh cool we'll get to learn about where Yoda and Obi Wan came from and we don't.
We get new characters like Qui Gon, Mace, and a bunch of bad guys but we learn almost nothing about any of them.
So at the end its like damn I didn't learn anything new about the characters I already liked and the new characters just kinda showed up to die it seems.
The OT was not like that. It made you care about the cast, in the PT Anakin is the only character they even attempt to give development.
>And that the muppets have aged like milk. It hurts the films
No one born in the year 1999 or after will ever think that shit looks good.
Practical effects don't age, the OT still looks fantastic to this day. Here's your (you)
Many of the CGI environments from the prequels do look like shit, like the infamous Jedi temple hallway for example.
And I do understand the comment about them looking sterile. One of the main things that stood out to me in TFA was the little stuff like that bird banging his head on the metal scraps, stuff like that is neat and there's lots of stupid little things like that in the OT. The PT had none.
That said the CGI characters in the PT looked great and IMO still look great. So it was fine to use it for aliens he just should have built more sets.
The design team got the stupid idea in their head that Yoda should look noticeably younger in Episode 1 even though he's in his late 800s and probably wouldn't have changed much in 30 years.
That's why we got Cousin Skeeter in green-face old person makeup.
I think the prequels tried to tell to great a story for 3 films. I think they should have scrapped the episodic formula until after the prequels were finished so that they could've made enough films to show the character development they needed and they should have planned the story out like showing Dooku as a master that we respect before showing him as a Sith later down the line
>The PT had none.
Are you kidding me? There are thousands are little moments like that in the PT. Did you miss theres an entire little scene dedicated to droids repairing Padme's apartment from the assassin attack?
Dialogue and characterizations were definitely off, besides the Emperor and Obi-wan but I disagree with the overly complicated plot.
To me, it seemed rather simple. Politics were rather boring but also very straight-forward.
>Family space adventure series
I guess I half agree. I think in the PT, George was genuinely confused what type of film he wanted. He wanted to make it a kids film, but also an action film, and a political space thriller that he hoped would appeal to all of the adults. If he had just stuck with a theme, whether it be edgy, or lighthearted, then I think it would be a better film. My point is that I don't think George Lucas wanted it to be another family friendly film like the OT was, but illustrating a darker period of the galaxy, but he failed since he had too many ideas and themes.
They DID use sets. They fucking filmed on location too.
He had some sets, but they were mainly miniatures. I don't know the exact process, so don't quote me, but they were "digitally inserted" into the background of the characters. If that meant turning them into actual CGI models for the screen, or actually putting miniatures in there, then that will hopefully put down the misconceptions about the PT being all CGI.
>like the infamous Jedi temple hallway for example.
I believe that background was a miniature. Problem was AOTC and ROTS were shot with early professional-grade digital cameras that only had about as much resolution as a modern iPad camera. Film's better at hiding imperfections.
Same reason why the Hobbit movies look so shitty, Peter used super HD cameras that made everything look like a high budget Game of Thrones episode.
>The only difference being that's better shot.
That's not the only difference, but it is important. Usually something makes those scenes less dull and boring than prequel conversations. For example, the lighting in the scene in TESB in which Luke flies off to save his friends and Yoda mentions the "other one" to Obi Wan, is just perfect. It is visually pleasing. It's just a short scene but it looks interesting. The same can be said about TFA. JJ didn't just use lazy shot-reverse-shot techniques, but actually interesting camera placements and movements that makes scenes more interesting.
See this is interesting to me because "tasteful" is exactly the word I would use for TFA's use of VFX, because they don't overpower the story (the same philosophy as the OT). I would also argue that there was definitely more in the way of worldbuilding through production design than there was in any of the OT pictures, taken individually.
Of course those movies were beautifully designed but in terms of what's actually onscreen, there are far fewer exotic creatures, spaceships and locations in ANH, for example, than in TFA. TFA is the more fantastical film of the two in many ways, not least because the majority of the aliens in ANH appear in just one 10 minute scene. You might argue the same for ESB - how many new aliens did that movie even have? Tauntaun, Wampa, Yoda, Bossk, Zuckuss, Asteroid Worm, Ugnaughts... And that's about it. ROTJ probably had the most aliens, with another cantina style scene, and then the ewoks later, as well as Nien Nunb and Ackbar.
All in all though, TFA had far more aliens throughout, starting with all of the Jakku denizens, the monster escape on Han's freighter, Maz's castle, and random aliens seen around the Resistance base, flying X-Wings and even briefly on Hosnian Prime.
You could, of course, make a case for there being a lot more design on screen in the PT movies than in TFA. I would agree on that. The PT had an excellent design team.
But why would anyone know anything about the films that doesn't come from Plinkett?
They composited all the various elements (actor footage, miniature or location background plates, and digital stuff) of a shot on computers, much like you would with After-Effects or Premiere.
You have absolutely no idea what the actual fuck you're talking about. Technology does not just "magically" improve. If Lucas hadn't revolutionized filmmaking techniques again TFA would not have nearly as good effects. Nor would basically all movies since they released.
>you actually believe this
Shit tier bait
Bad attempt at de-aging. Glad they replaced it with the cg model later. Looks much better.
Hell, Hamill even had trouble doing those scenes because he was speaking to a puppet.
Funny you mention that hallway because it was actually a partial set mixed with a digital matte background and filling in the rest.
There were plenty of sets or partial sets for most every scene, save for a few exceptions.
By "digital insertion" they filmed the miniature the same way the filmed actual scenes to composite into the background. Like the Geonosian arena for example.
Actual on location filming, and everyone just wants to hark on George for using CGI to make a huge battle between a clone army and an army of robots?
It's really funny how people use to praise the prequel films lightsaber combat but now say its too "flashy". Hamill would have given his left nut to do what Hayden and Ewan did in AOTC and ROTS.
I said he should have used more not that he didn't use any and I'm not some PT hater they're fine movies. Not great IMO but fine.
Exactly he needed to do more movies if he wanted to keep the cast so big.
More movies or less characters in 3 movies. That would have made it better.
Funnily enough, that's entirely true. Hamill said that they were always trying to speed up the lightsaber fights in the OT. The only thing holding them back was the props not being able to handle the stress of quick stikes and fighting.
for anyone interested:
This has a lot of examples of practical sets used in the Prequels
Reminds me of the deleted scene in AOTC where Mace and Obi-Wan are talking about Anakin. I don't understand why that scene was removed. It was perfect.
Is there a version of AOTC where the deleted scenes are included?
>practical effects are also made out of parts
>practical effects parts are made by humans
>CGI made by computers
>computers are made out of parts
>parts are built by humans
CGI IS PRACTICAL. LUCAS IS A GENIUS. JJ IS A COPYING HACK.
TFA has no SFX it's all real. For example the aliens were played by genetically modified monsters, all but a small number of whom were immediately put to death at the wrap party (Daisy beheaded Constable Zuvio). Maz is currently locked in JJ's basement until Rian comes to collect her for shooting VIII.
They didn't even use stunt doubles, Adam Driver got shot by a real blaster bolt and stabbed by a real lightsaber. Not to mention poor old Harrison Ford, what a way to go. Total professional to the end. He will be missed.
Which is a better outfit for Ahsoka, bare belly or bare back + cleavage hole?
Combine them. Bare belly, bare back, and a hole in the chest wrap to show some cleavage.
Could someone pls post the Clone Wars list some anon made?
Lucas is a fucking hack. Look at all this green screen.
When are the idiots who spout RLM memes going to leave for good?
Tyson is a fucking moron, he has no idea what he's talking about most of the time. He's literally just a token black scientist that's been propped up to push an agenda. For fuck's sake, his main nitpick with TFA was that BB-8 rolls around on sand saying it wouldn't be possible, except it really did because it was a remote control prop.
>who actually gives a shit, what kind of autist hinges their enjoyment on a space FANTASY movie
The people who attacked him on twitter.
>I doubt BB-8 is using the Force.
He just uses the power of swag
>except it really did because it was a remote control prop.
Except you're wrong, the remote control prop version wasn't used for filming, they used puppets.
BB-8 was a physical prop, but it was on poles and wires for filming. The remote control independently rolling version wasn't used during actual filming.
You're pathetic. Why do the TFA Defense Forces get so butthurt?
The one that shows more of her back.
>tfw no cute togruta gf
Fuck this galaxy.
It was. Behind the scenes footage even shows the remote control prop doing exactly what he said isn't possible. He's as much a scientist as Bill Nye, which is to say he's just a TV personality with some math skills.
She was just so sad Sheev was getting hurt. They tried to tell her its gonna alright and his friend Anakin is gonna come save him but she just couldn't take it.
The powah of the dark side
He wasn't a fully functional prop in the film. He was controlled by a guy in a green screen suit with a green pole or just wires.
The remote control one was built after the filming had finished.
>That mindfuck chapter when TCWAhsoka meet RebelsAhsoka
I don't get why people think he doesn't like the movies he talks about just because he points out how science actually works. He never once comments on the actual quality of the movies or his opinion of them. It's bizarre.
like calm tf down dudes chill stop takin shit so personally
The one in the film was not fully functional. The remote control BB-8 at Celebration and other events was completed after filming was over. It will be used in the future movies though.
>everyone waifuing young ashoka when her montrals haven't even grown to their full delicious size
I still dont understand what was the point of them. What the fuck are they?
What do you choose /swg/?
Give reasons why.
For me, it's the Empire. Would love to be in uniform and defeat the terrorist rebel scum unified by the Great Empire.
>What the fuck are they?
I thought they were personifications of the force, with the Father representing the balance or something
>I still dont understand what was the point of them.
I don't get the hate towards Tyson. Hating Nye I can understand, he is literally a man who pretends to be a scientist and he is much more "muh atheism" than Tyson. I can also understand hating Dawkins because he seems to be a dick.
But Tyson honestly seems like a nice guy and while he may not be our times Einstein he does have at least some qualifications and the the promotion of atheism really seems secondary to him at best.
Will you accept nothing less than a white scientist who makes an Einstein level discovery and goes to your church? Is any other type of scientist a meme to you?
Remember how excited everyone got when they showed that picture of the x-wing set from TFA and everyone was all "wow, practical sets! awesome! george lucas sucks because he never used those in the prequels!"
>Playing Lego Star Wars 3
>Ahsoka's Lego piece makes her look topless from behind
Rebels, only because you can enjoy the best of both worlds. Rebels can use any weapons or equipment they want, including captured Imperial gear. Imperials are stuck with their own stuff.
Do you not know how to use google? Are you THAT fucking helpless? Fuck off.
Always the same defensive little bitch image spamming. The PT looks shit whether practical effects were used or not. The composting was crap and you are in the minority for liking it except from here in your little hugbox.
It was so obvious that they had no idea what to even do with Abeloth from the start and they just changed her to that at the last minute after seeing the Mortis episodes. Such a stupid asspull, made no sense.
If only every atrocious story wasn't canon.
Calm down, my friend.
that anon was just making a bad "who was phone" joke.
I wonder whatever happened to this artist, ElTheGeneral. He had disappeared even before the series had finished.
This. Every fucking time this topic comes up he posts the same bunch of images as if they somehow disprove all the legitimate criticism about the obvious overuse of CG that looks like shit now. It's pathetic.
We've been over this one so many times now, it's really one of those "done to death" debates.
It doesn't matter what the truth is behind the effects, it is so firmly rooted in the public perception. Truth is it would make absolutely zero sense for JJ to have ever meant it as a jab at Lucas or the Prequels, since you don't drop your pants and moon the people who hired you. You know, all those people Lucas left in charge of his company even after he sold it?
Heck, the more we see of how they made TFA it looks like they used many of the same damn techniques. Kylo Ren walking down a set ramp with blue screens all around him which will later become the flaming ruins of that Jakku village.They still used digital replacement of characters, they still used (albeit far more sparingly) totally CGI characters. They also used a lot of effects used back in the OT, too. I don't think there was anything unique used. It was all pretty tried and tested from the six earlier movies.
>The Force Awakens is an objective 9/10
>the prequels are all 4's
>Shut the fuck up already you retarded piece of trash and stop filling the thread with this samefag spam.
You are a master baiter.