Redwing being a drone 100% confirmed now.
>Fought aliens in New York City in broad daylight as seen by thousands of people.
>Fought robots in Japan in broad daylight as seen by thousands of people.
>Fought more robots in Europa in broad daylight as seen by thousands of people.
Yeah, no, she's off that shop.
Think all the negging in this thread is coming from the 7% who aren't on board with Redwing's popularity campaign.
>muh comic book elitism
Christ, I hate plastic fans as much as the next bloke but you all are such snobs about it. Fucking hell mates, lighten the fuck up.
>DC does something that makes them seem ashamed of the source material
>Marvel does something that makes them seem like they're afraid of the source material (mandarin, redwing, etc.)
>Fought robots in Japan in broad daylight as seen by thousands of people
>Fought robots in Japan
dafuq u say waegukin?
>If that's true, Marvel can basically put anything new on the screen and get a positive response.
You should see the Arrow/Flash threads. People get hyped when a new character or reference is mentioned.
The Mandarin is real and a Keyser Soze-esque figure many believe is a legend. Aldrich Killian appropriated his name for Trevor Slattery to play. The Mandarin later has Trevor extracted from prison to be executed for making a mockery of his name.
I think the point here is that no casuals know who Redwing is, and didn't know who Falcon even was until his inclusion in the MCU, making them a bunch of phonies cheering for no reason
I don't like Falcon nor am I being elitist. It's fucking dumb.
>just wicki'd some crap about falcon cause he was in tws
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REDWING IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MY WHOLE LIFE! I AM SUCH A HARDCORE GEEK, I BET YOU DONT EVEN KNOW REDWING BUT I DO
I'm a total casual who's comic knowledge comes from cartoons/ movies/ videos games/ and reading threads on /co/ and I knew who Sam Wilson and Redwing were well before this movie was announced.
Not that guy but that shit was fucking horrible.
I doubt most of the people there knew what redwing was and not to mention they were cheering for some of the stupid shit
>AHHHHHHHHHHHH OH MY GOD
As if this was the first time they've seen her.
Fucking hate how casuals are being pandered to with these recent movie phase.
I kinda liked the mandarin twist, but calling it racist is idiotic, since for the first half of the movie it works without you knowing what's happening.
Why? Why would you hate casuals liking something you like?
Because they don't understand the history and emotional investment behind it. They read it off forums like reddit or on an article on wikipedia and pretend they know all about it and that they are true fans.
They're constantly changing shit, why even call them the same name as the comic counterpart if they're going to change them entirely? why is every single character in the MCU the same?
Nothing is like the comics. They're even ashamed of the fucking costumes.
This. It's one thing when comic-con goes screaming their heads off for trailers because at least alot of them know the characters, but these people are a general disney convention screaming about redwing like they know the thing.
Eh, how unbelievable would it be to have Sam raise a Falcon that does what he says? There would be no need to have him be just a gadget, it would be a nice node and the animal could do normal stuff like delivering messages, fetching stuff if they want him to do something aside from being an easter egg. No need to get all 'mutant' and give them a telepathic link.
It was already shown in posters and official team art though. Did anyone actually think there was any ambiguity about the thing above Falcon being a machine.
I think the problem why long time comic fans are mad is because of casuals pretending to be long time fans or pretending to have deep knowledge of comics. I'm a casual but never pretend to know shit and I ask /co/ about comic stuff, I can see why "nerd culture" people can be annoying.
>if Marvel changes anything that means they're ashamed of everything
By that argument any director who changes something when adapting a novel is embarrassed of the book they're filming.
Fuck off casual.
You people are cancer, you people are the dumb bitches who wear heavy metal t shirts because its quirky and only know maybe two radio songs from the band. That is your equivalent
>They're constantly changing shit, why even call them the same name as the comic counterpart if they're going to change them entirely?
Because it's cool.
Why shouldn't Falcon have a little flying robot buddy called Redwing? Did you actually think there was any chance they were going to have him have a psychic connection to an actual Falcon? Oh yeah, let's just bring a bird into a war with missiles being shot and bullets flying all around, that makes sense. Giving Falcon Redwing of a sort makes works because it gives him something more than just "guy who has wings and guns", but draws the line before things get stupid.
>Because its cool
cringed. casual detected
It wouldn't be stupid for him to have a psychic connection with the bird.
>implying the ones they have now arent complete trash
only decent one is iron man, rest look bad.
I'll admit I didn't know about Falcon until Robot chicken and Superhero Squad which reminds me of a unfunny story
>I'm sitting in the lounge area of my college cafeteria
>Superhero Squad was playing on the Lounge TV instead of the usual ESPN or whatever sports channel
>It's the episode where Steve starts the Captain America corps
>There's a group of normies behind me that seem to be lightly paying attention to the show
>One of them says "What if Wolverine joined as Captain Canada?"
>10 seconds later Wolverine actually shows up in a Captain Canada costume
>We all have a nice laugh about it
Casuals know more about comics than you think anon.
You realize plenty of Marvel fans hate these movies, right?
HURRRRR UR NOT A CASUAL, MUST BE A DC FAN
Damage control MCUdrone tactic number 1: defend, always defend no matter how shit
2. if they disagree, start company wars to derail from the issue at hand
I disagree. It gives him a background that allows him so seamlessly transfer into the high-skilled role of a superhero without making him yet another SHIELD agent, like he was in Ultimate.
On that note, I think Hawkeye being a SHIELD agent makes very little sense unless they reveal why his weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Branagh kind of fucked up on that one.
>Are you actually trying to make the claim that every single costume in Marvel Comics could make the transition to live action and not look stupid?
No, but the ones they had to work with? Yeah, for the most part. There is no reason Hawkeye can't have a mask, in fact it would make more sense since he has a secret identity.....and there is no reason Cap can't have feathers on his mask. The only character in the MCU I get drastically changing their look is Scarlet Witch, but they should still give her SOME form of actual costume instead of just dressing her like Amy Lee on casual Friday
>It wouldn't be stupid for him to have a psychic connection with the bird.
According to who? Do you mean "I don't think it's stupid?" Or do you mean "The majority of people wouldn't think it's stupid?"
Anon, it's time you realized there aren't plenty of any group of people that don't like Marvel movies.
That's why they're so successful. They're so loved.
Oh well. You'll understand when you're older.
You guys have it all wrong.
Trevor Slattery was a medic working for the Ten Rings. When Iron Man attacked them in the first film, he blew up the tank Trevor was in, but he survived. Trevor Slattery was in a coma for 3 years, and he recieved plastic surgery to look like the real Mandarin. Upon awakening, the Ten Rings, acting through AIM, used hypnosis to erase Trevor's memory and convince him he was a shitty actor. The charade was kept up by keeping Trevor drugged.
Trevor kept the heat off real Mandarin, and his kidnapping was cleaning up loose ends once the decoy was no longer needed.
Confess: How many people ITT get laid frequently, or at least have girlfriends?
>Because it would look retarded as fuck?
Yeah...you know, if Batman appeared without ears nobody would accept that. Know why? People were fans of Batman before the movies. You were never a Captain America fan until you saw these movies were being put out under Disney so now you pretend, I grew up with Captain America.
Get the fuck off 4chan and go back to Reddit
Little Trevvy Slats IS the real Mandarin; playing the part of a washed up actor, who gets hired to play the part of The Mandarain; by a guy who claims to be the Mandarin himself. All this allows him to be central to the action while pulling all the strings (and getting a good impression of a struggling Tony Stark).
In Hail To The King he has himself broken out of prison by a mook who thinks he's working for the Mandarin, another fake one outside the walls.
You jump to a lot of conclusions. I never said I was a cap fan. Comics wise I've always been an Xmen/cosmic guy. MCU cap has become my favorite character in the MCU and I think having actual feathers in his tactical helmet would be retarded as fuck. It works in the comics because they're fucking comics.
Die in a fire and taste your own blood
Speaking of bland and unfaithful adaptations, how do you all feel about Dr. Cumberbatch?
>I think having actual feathers in his tactical helmet would be retarded as fuck.
First of all, we've found our first issue with your shit taste
You like tacticool, you may as well go to a rock bar and say Green Day is your favorite band.
Secondly, who says they need to be actual feathers...they're a part of the costume, they're more of a crest than anything. Do you think The Flash has literal lightning bolts on his head? No, they're part of the outfit
>Secondly, who says they need to be actual feathers...t
You did, or at least the anon I was responding too did. Because if you're saying hes never had painted feathers at all you are fucking blind
>Because if you're saying hes never had painted feathers at all you are fucking blind
Painted on is a lot different than having them there but not actual fucking feathers. Batmans ears aren't real ears either, SPOILER ALERT.
They should be molded, and having his "mask" be a literal helmet is stupid too.
Wasting time on an explanation on a movie that's not his. At least this way he justifies his place as a scout/recon guy in the Avengers, and establishes the threat at the very beginning of the movie visually, instead of having a pet falcon. Yeah it would be kind of cool, but not cool enough to spend time explaining it. MCU Falcon is army and tech based.
>and having his "mask" be a literal helmet is stupid too.
Jesus you are retarded. Hes not indestructible. He needs to protect his head. Soldiers wear helmets. Would you really rather him have a cloth mask?
Right, I'm not the guy you were arguing with. And I'm not saying that it couldn't be done. Ant-Man did it. It's just that it doesn't make sense as far as the character is already established. It's not a huge loss, and it'll probably be put to good use, knowing Marvel. They usually use these little things for a gimmick scene pretty well.
>Jesus you are retarded. Hes not indestructible. He needs to protect his head.
Cap is way more durable than Batman. Batman doesn't need a literal helmet. They could just make it be custom armor, like Batmans cowl is who is far more damageable than Cap yet nobody complains he isn't wearing a fucking hard hat for realism.
> Would you really rather him have a cloth mask?
Nobody said that. hell they wouldn't even have to go the length of explaining how it's armored underneath, it could just be leather and it'd make sense for someone with Caps strength and enhanced reflexes.
Why do they have to scream like it's an autistic convention? "Oh my god captain America , falcon, and black widow are in this movie even though we already knew like OMG shipping!!!!!!!"
>You keep going back to batmans ears
>The analogy doesn't work stop being stupid
Yes it does, but fine, Flash's lightning bolts...quite literally the same design only a different shape and color
There's a lot of complaining about people who only watch the movies, but honestly are the actual comics even worth getting into at this point? Just lurking this board anyone can tell that they haven't been good for ages.
The comics these companies release today have been about the same quality they've been for the last decade. People only remember the good books and the loudest critics, so things don't actually pan out in the present the way they seemed to in the past.
But really, if (collective) claim to love these properties, but don't even seek out the stories they're adapting/referencing, how CAN you really call yourself a fan?
Nowadays I just try to find runs I wasn't alive to read, there's hundreds of good ones to pick from
Plus non-big 2 stuff, of course...
>But really, if (collective) claim to love these properties, but don't even seek out the stories they're adapting/referencing, how CAN you really call yourself a fan?
You can call yourself a fan of the movies, nothing more, nothing less.
While it's definitely nice when you have an idea of what their adapting/referencing, seeing some of your favorite moments adapted onto the big screen, not having any idea how things are going to develop just as valid and just as enjoyable.
>You can call yourself a fan of the movies, nothing more, nothing less.
I agree; I should have specified "fan of the character."
These people do have a point that a lot of the so called "hardcore" fans have really only ever, at most, read a character's wikipedia article. I don't really care that much, but there is something dumb about that.