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Oh fuck, thats brilliant
Good luck man, I gave up. Kinda' wish I didn't, but I just don't have the patience, and it's too late for me.
>Are we streaming the new Rebels episode tonight?
Yes we are!
What better way to revisit Rebels after the holiday but by watching the S2 episodes again?
RIGHT NOW, we're streaming episodes 1-4, 7-9 until the premier of Episode 10: A Princess on Lothal.
>When does the stream start?
RIGHT NOW, IN PROGRESS, ETC. SEE ABOVE
>When will the new episode be streamed?
When it airs at 6 PM PST/ 9PM EST.
>Why are you skipping episodes 5-6?
They are IMO the most boring episodes, and also time reasons, I'd like to end the episodes close to the time of the premier.
If I planned this earlier, I would have played everything..
>Where is this stream?
Trust your instincts.
I saved the backstory stuff too
I wouldn't call it stupid, this droid seems pretty damn cool to me.
Never could get that game to work in Bluestacks. Just a solid black screen without even showing any logos or downloading the essential game assets not in the initial installation.
I'd play it on my kindle but the dumbass thing refuses to properly save it to the SD card meaning it just takes up way too much space on the device.
No kidding. The implication that the original script for Episode 8 was going to be more about a pair of new characters instead of Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren and they're only now refocusing on those TFA characters is troubling to say the least. That's not how you do a trilogy, that's for sure
The explanation I've heard for why makes some sense. They want to focus on the characters already introduced rather than any new ones. Unfortunately whatever else TFA did for Star Wars, it really didn't do much to establish the new mains. At least Poe is getting a comic series about his past (and at least he's still alive to have a future, given he originally died in TFA's script). Rey's backstory is almost completely non-existent to the fact that they're still playing coy with her last name. Finn, well, more of a blank slate given he was a cookie cutter soldier of the Not!Empire who managed to break his "programming".
They all come together for the sake of brand consistency. Filoni even sat in on some of their story sessions (and stole, whoops, I mean borrowed some concept art that just happened to get misplaced under his cowboy hat).
And we've had at least some tweets from Pablo explaining (or rather hand waving) some of the movies issues.
The film delayed so they can edit the script is the best case outcome, the alternative is them rushing to production with an undercooked script, and having to chop up the film in the editing room or do reshoots.
No? At least not to the extent that anyone (that we know about) helped him become a real boy instead of just another child soldier. His backstory is more about not wanting to fight, at least for the side he was born to serve, and then falling in love at first sight.
Up to the individual to decide if that was at first sight of Poe or Rey.
>(and stole, whoops, I mean borrowed some concept art that just happened to get misplaced under his cowboy hat).
They weren't going to use it so he asked if he could re-purpose it for Rebels. Not quite the same thing as you said.
I will eat my hat if Avatar 2 actually comes out then. Or ever for that matter. There's no traction on that bejnv made at all aside from Cameron's assertion that he's written the scripts for 5 Avatar sequels.
What IS a bit odd is sure JJ and Kasden had to take over script writing after the original guy was removed from the project (or left?) but I wonder why they didn't remain on the same page.
Also a bit curious given JJ's friend, who had a part in the movie, is on record saying JJ read the script for VIII and supposedly fell in love so hard he's kicking himself for not directing the next movie.
Pablo is part of the Lucasfilm Story Group, which oversee all Canon media, including the movies, to make sure it all fits.
Kathleen Kennedy and JJ are in charge of the general story, they and the directors have as much freedom as they need, UNLESS something contradicts Canon. Kathleen pretty much hired the LSG to make sure they don't fuck up. They're her nerdy safety net.
>What IS a bit odd is sure JJ and Kasden had to take over script writing after the original guy was removed from the project (or left?) but I wonder why they didn't remain on the same page.
Michael Arndt was adapting George Lucas's story.
Fin was Sam, the son of Han & Leia, a junker who crashes onto Jakku, meets, Kira (Rey), etc etc.
They were gonna fight the Jedi Killer, a star-eating sith who killed young Jedi and was looking for the secret Jedi training school.
JJ changed Sam into a deserting storm trooper and added John Doe (Poe Dameron)
>ben and vestara
As much as I want that resolution, and for Vestara to go out on a better note than "shot in the leg by her very own clone," that seems far-fetched.
We know it was before JJ, that's the thing. He and Kasden apparently made changes sufficient enough to justify a shift in the rest of the sequels. But why is it only happening now? Why didn't they know ahead of time and already have this worked out?
Interesting questions, and we may never know the real reason.
That's because it was George Lucas' outline and they had about a million people go through and make their own additions and changes over the years leading up to the finalized script for TFA. The fact that Episode 8 is just now getting rewrites and was delayed when they were supposed to start filming within the month is odd to say the least. Especially since both Rian and J.J. have talked at length about how they worked together closely to get the story to work for Episode 8 already.
>But why is it only happening now?
Honestly? Their attention might have been on TFA and Rogue One.
>Why didn't they know ahead of time and already have this worked out?
It might have looked good on paper to expanded the cast even more, only to realize they needed to tighten up the script.
The simplest answer might be the closest one to the truth, which is that they saw how much money TFA made in December and will probably have all future Star Wars movies come out in December. Summer is getting crowded with a new blockbuster coming out every other week.
The only guy talking about the rewrites was Jeff Sneider from The Wrap and he's been wrong about stuff before. He was 95% sure the new Spiderman wouldn't be white.
I wonder if maybe they wanted to see how the audience reacted to TFA before solidifying plans for Episode VIII.
What I mean is they wanted to see exactly how the public felt so they could focus on what people want to see or potentially damage control what didn't work. So far I don't think there is any major damage control. The worst is that it was a bit too much of a rehash of ANH. No clue if the whole Rey "mary sue" thing is a big deal as far as the public is concerned, but I doubt it. That sounds like something we deal with here and probably "the tumblrs". Can't say about the latter, never bothered to go there. Supposedly they have some decent pron at least?
>That's because it was George Lucas' outline and they had about a million people go through and make their own additions and changes over the years leading up to the finalized script for TFA.
The timeline provided suggests JJ was actually making relatively huge changes during production.
Both Maz Kanata and Kylo Ren's design were made relatively close to the movie starting.
>The fact that Episode 8 is just now getting rewrites and was delayed when they were supposed to start filming within the month is odd to say the least. Especially since both Rian and J.J. have talked at length about how they worked together closely to get the story to work for Episode 8 already
The average script for a movie will change by at least a third during shooting.
And for the sake of avoiding hysterics, the rumored rewrites involving cutting down secondary characters and developing main characters, all of which sounds like a good idea.
Just found an eBay listing of bootleg Star Wars figures from China, these things are hilarious.
The weirdest part is why they came to the problem of under-utilizing the main characters in the first place. The whole point of TFA was to introduce us to these new characters, why would they shove them to the side in Ep. VIII to focus on entirely different ones?
I definitely don't disagree that it's good that these rewrites are refocusing the story back on the main TFA characters, but I just find it baffling that they needed to make that change to begin with. It makes it sound like the film was going to be practically unrelated and doing its own thing, which makes no sense as part of a trilogy. And gives the impression that they were expecting Finn, Rey, Poe, and Kylo Ren to not be popular enough to keep using.
>No clue if the whole Rey "mary sue" thing is a big deal as far as the public is concerned, but I doubt it.
The people complaining on news sites are like Return of Kings and Max Landis,nearly everyone else has a glowing love for Rey.
>That sounds like something we deal with here and probably "the tumblrs". Can't say about the latter, never bothered to go there. Supposedly they have some decent pron at least?
Oh there's porn.
I'm guessing that since Poe was originally not intended to survive, he's been the big change.
The new female character certainly sounds like a pilot and love interest for Finn.
Quite a lot of people bitch about Rey being a Mary Sue, because well, she is and it doesn't escape notice. I've seen it all over. Also a lot of people hating on Kylo Ren because they didn't get the character and somehow missed how powerful and badass he is despite not being meant to be the second coming of Vader. Anybody who says he's "whiny" falls in this camp of idiots.
I loved TFA and all but JJ's directing style leaves a lot of dirty fingerprints and garish workmarks. I lost count of the lens flares after the first sequence, and the editing/sound mix took a noticeable step down. Most people will remember that short film that went viral a while ago about the kid making a movie with Star Wars action figures in his backyard, and at the end the kid is revealed as a young JJ Abrams. I feel that portrayal is very close to the truth of what TFA felt like - action figures in a sandbox.
Storywise, I think it did both too much in some areas and not enough in others. On one hand, there's all kinds of stuff that happens offscreen that really should have just been the subject of the movie in the first place. On the other hand, the galactic conflict is virtually identical to the Rebels vs Empire situation with little justification. And I agree with the general consensus of the narrative being way too similar to A New Hope.
These things don't really bother me that much while I'm watching the movie. Honestly my least favorite aspect of TFA is the fact that over 30 years removed from Return of the Jedi and they're STILL flying X-Wings and TIE fighters.
Of course it's easier to pick out little things you didn't like when the rest of the movie was so enjoyable. Poe Dameron immediately cracked my Top 5 favorite characters list, and I never cared more about Luke Skywalker than I did when I saw him unhood himself at the end. But overall I'm glad JJ and Kasdan are taking a hike so that Episode 8 can delve into more original and lore-heavy territory.
It is obviously Finn and Rey to the end. Neither he nor Poe are gay and the only interaction that Rey even has with Poe is in the book. Rey practically confesses her love to Finn in the book when they find each other on Starkiller.
I've found that the people who believe Rey is a mary sue are hating because they didn't get the character and missed how the Force has always been pure hax.
But, you know, people are free to believe what they want. The only thing that was annoying about it is how we kept getting into the same arguments about it here for thread after thread.
post yfw Christie Golden throws away seven books worth of character development so she can go "lol, once a villain always a villain, gotcha nerds!"
That makes sense, but it doesn't explain why they also mentioned Rey as well. It's as though they were going to establish her as the main character and end TFA with her, only to have her significance inexplicably drop in the next movie.
>Quite a lot of people bitch about Rey being a Mary Sue, because well, she is and it doesn't escape notice. I've seen it all over.
But none of it is legit to the producers, it's minuscule fan gripe.
>I don't particularly like her, either.
You're in like less than 5% of the audience that matters.
How do you guys think will Rogue One deal with " A lot of Bothan's died to get this information". Personally i would prefer if they make 20 Bothan's with practical effects and put them all together in ship, then have a imperial ship blow them all up in the middle of the movie, that way we can concentrate with the main crew instead of those ugly wolf like aliens.
>A lot of Bothan's died to get this information
That's for the second Death Star you illiterate memeing fuck
They aren't nearly as bad in TFA as they are in Trek, but they're there.
Last time I saw the movie I tried counting them and gave up. They're all over that first sequence of the village massacre, I can tell you that much. Then there's a shitload while SKB is firing its weapon.
>Nope. She's really not that well liked or popular. Get your head out of tumblr's ass.
Get your head out of the 4chan echo chamber.
>okay girl protagonist almost ruins film
>not the fuck-off big third death star
that gets promptly blown up cause we need to have the death star blow up, right?
why are normies so terrible
Because they seem unable to decide what they even want Zeb to be as a character and Sabine only exists because of Disney meddling so they give her as little screen time as possible.
>Pick one you fucking newfag.
4chan is one of the biggest echo chambers on the internet.
People can convince themselves the craziest shit is real from listening to people here.
See, people actually have to buy that shit, so when it all becomes peg warmers, Hasbro will realize they were right to begin with and go back to focusing on characters that appeal to boys. Appeasing SJW's is a dumb business decision and girls still don't care about Star Wars, no matter how hard Disney and that feminazi retard Kathleen Kennedy try to pretend otherwise.
Hell she's the only TFA character I bought figures for, but that was just the Lego version and the 3.5. I was reasonably pleased with how she was handled in the movie, though it's a tad annoying how they are handling her backstory - or lack of backstory.
>I was reasonably pleased with how she was handled in the movie
Were you really?
I don't mean to meme when I say that she was a "Mary Sue", but she was.
She didn't have a flaw the entire movie.
Her mistake with the door controls actually saved Han.
Her rejection of the lightsaber actually let her help destroy Star Killer Base.
It was fine with her being 10X the most powerful Force user we've seen, but her never failing and Han loving her was too much
>I don't mean to meme when I say that she was a "Mary Sue", but she was.
>She didn't have a flaw the entire movie.
Constantly wanted to go back to Jakku. Fled Maz Kanata's offer and get herself KO'd by Kylo Ren.
>Her mistake with the door controls actually saved Han.
Still a mistake, didn't explicitly save Han.
>Her rejection of the lightsaber actually let her help destroy Star Killer Base.
It did not. Her being captured was a massive problem.
>It was fine with her being 10X the most powerful Force user we've seen, but her never failing and Han loving her was too much
She was basically young Luke, a person Han had warmed up to.
>She didn't have a flaw the entire movie.
Didn't know her way around a gun, was obsessed with going back to Jakku, and refused to admit that whoever left her there wasn't coming back. Han would've been fine without her unleashing the rathtar on everybody and potentially getting Finn killed, and in general her approach to mechanical is to brute force it (which works with junk like the MF, but her aptitude with mechanics is clearly based around what you can find scavenging).
Just finished watching Season 1 to discuss the Series with you all. So far is a pretty good childrens cartoon honestly. The characters are funny and the plot good. I don't understand why some of you criticize it. Its good for what it is but if you want a serious plot for each episode then you are asking too much, this is a kids show after all, i'am not old so i can see why some Manchildren can get trigger with this show.
Denial to the Call to Adventure isn't a flaw.
It's subservience to the Heroic Cycle.
Rey didn't do anything "Wrong" in the movie.
Every choice she made was beneficial.
Argue that, tumblrkin.
Did any of her decisions harm the movie?
ANOTHER TIME, EPISODE CUT OUT FOR MICKEY MOUSE SHORTS
>Denial to the Call to Adventure isn't a flaw.
>It's subservience to the Heroic Cycle.
>Rey didn't do anything "Wrong" in the movie.
>Every choice she made was beneficial.
>Argue that, tumblrkin.
Getting KO'd by Kylo Ren in the woods after fleeing Maz Kanata directly lead to Han Solo reuniting with Leia, and his decision to take the Falcon to Starkillerbase where he tried to reason with his son.
>Did any of her decisions harm the movie?
Rey killed Han.
I think it's because some compare it to The Clone Wars series, which pushed a lot of boundaries in terms of content and violence.
Rebels plays it safe, probably due to some mandate by Disney, but it's still entertaining and spins a good yarn with Star Wars lore.
I'm discussing cartoon with a bunch of neckbeards
The autism is non-negotiable
>Denial to the Call to Adventure isn't a flaw.
>It's subservience to the Heroic Cycle.
But it's a big thing that separates her from Luke and literally every bad thing that happens to the cast in the movie comes from her trying to go back to Jakku
These...aren't really very much of character flaws. Luke and Anakin were whiny bitches who constantly needed help. In comparison, Rey is completely self sufficient with hardly any flaws. Being sad about family leaving isn't a flaw. There was literally one fucking moment of her hesitating in the hero's journey and it didn't even matter because Kylo showed up two seconds later and negated it.
>But Star Killer Base had to be destroyed, regardless of Rey being captured.
>Her emotional capture was moot.
Her exact choices lead to Han being in danger, and subsequently killed.
>But [Denial to the Call to Adventure] is a big thing that separates her from Luke
>I havent met a single person that really liked her. Either they straight up think she was a detriment to the movie, or they just thought she was bland.
Your anecdotal experiences are in the minority.
you shouldn't call people mentally handicapped online, its offensive and your the only one who looked like a retard afterwards
While I don't think it's terrible, it is a bit jarring jumping into this after The Clone Wars. Considering how a lot of people from that show are working on this one, I was kinda hoping Rebels would have found its stride by now, but instead it still feels like it's having identity issues.
>these mental gymnastics
This is fucking pathetic. She's a Mary Sue, it's objective fact, let's just move past it already and hope they fix it in the rest of the trilogy (not likely with Kathleen Kennedy around though).
Got that wrong, yours are the minority tumblr
>These...aren't really very much of character flaws.
She's desperately afraid of being abandoned. She cries about it. She runs away and gets caught.
>Luke and Anakin were whiny bitches who constantly needed help.
Luke is mostly a witness in ANH, its only his piloting skills that really save the day.
9-year-old Anakin Skywalker destroys a Droid Control Ship, killing thousands, and achieves a devastating military victory that saves all of Naboo, by accident.
>In comparison, Rey is completely self sufficient with hardly any flaws.
Hardly any is not an absence. And let's be real, TFA was not a character study for anybody except Kylo.
>Being sad about family leaving isn't a flaw.
Clinging to the past is.
>There was literally one fucking moment of her hesitating in the hero's journey and it didn't even matter because Kylo showed up two seconds later and negated it.
Negated? Her choices lead to Han being killed.
>you shouldn't call people mentally handicapped online, its offensive
I'm not going to get into the whole Mary Sue argument because it will just devolve into shit flinging, but I'll say that people can like any character they want.
Shit, Kylo Ren was my favorite character in the movie and I bought an assload of his toys, but he was such a piece of shit.
i cant get over the cgi graphics, they just look so shitty.
i know im just being petty, but count dookus beard set some standards.
Thank you based HERO
Have a hungry hungry Nihilus
No, most people like Rey. But that's because plebs always like boring characters. Particularly stronk women who have almost no flaws, which is what feminists want for some reason instead of complex, fleshed out characters.
Kylo and Finn were 20x more complex than Rey (not that that's saying much). But they were both relatively liked. Kylo surprisingly isn't full on panned by normies, which I wasn't expecting. He gets his share of hate but I was surprised at how many people seemed to like him in the end.
Maybe it's because it felt more like he put Han Solo out of his misery than murdered him. Glad Harrison Ford can finally wash his hands of all this, since he dislikes it so much.
>She didn't really kill Han.
If we're playing the blame game she shares some blame.
>Ren would have found a way to confront Han at some point because muh dark side.
But he didn't. You're getting into hypotheticals which are meaningless.
>It's a space-boot.
Is Lothal Atlanta?
I still prefer this than rebels.
Everytime someone starts talking about how great the Clone Wars it's the same god damn thing.
I'm starting to think the Clone Wars fans were mainly just edgelords. I say that as a Clone Wars fan.
What the fuck is wrong with you
Being afraid of being abandoned isn't really a character flaw, and it only serves to hurt others in that she ran away that one time. But Kylo probably would have gone after her anyways even if she hadn't, and likely succeeded.
Her getting KO'd was completely turned around when she managed to beat Kylo at his own game despite no training. Her flaws are already incredibly weak, but the few she displays are reversed to a crazy extent by all the things she can do.
I don't hate Rey, but there's a reason a lot of people are gunning for her to nearly go dark side. She needs a real struggle to be an interesting character.
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>Were you really?
>It was fine with her being 10X the most powerful Force user we've seen, but her never failing and Han loving her was too much
She really wasn't 10X the most powerful Force user in the least. After she acquires the saber at the end (it's not like the saber that was calling to her wasn't going to not choose her; how does a saber do that? Through the Force like everything else) her stance was half-hearted at best. Then we see her running like hell until cornered. It was only when Kylo Ren mentions showing her the ways of The Force that she mouths the words back at him. Then she closes her eyes like Maz told her to do and let the Force be her guide. It was her "Use the Force" Obi-Wan style moment. Afterward her attacks were hardly the most skillful we've ever seen. It was raw Force only. She predicted attacks and countered when she could. Given Kylo Ren was wounded and a conflicted mess after killing his dad he wasn't exactly the most challenging foe. He still requires training and he wasn't at his best.
As for Han's reaction to her, not sure why that would bother anyone. Han in this movie is a much kinder version. He doesn't snark at people too badly, and even took Finn a bit under his wing. He comes off as a fatherly figure to them both, but certainly more so to Rey. That's a major theme in the movie. Han is a wounded father. Was Rey a surrogate? Maybe. Or maybe he even knows who she really is, which is something they were very coy about. Especially when Maz asks who Rey is and they cut away. There is a very strong implication that there is more going on than the audience knows. Or maybe not. We'll find out next film, and if we don't that'll be some major bullshit.
Can I understand your view? Sure. I don't agree with it but I can understand people not liking her. We each have a different certain point of view on her. I just didn't see anything majorly movie breaking with her.
Plus Han's reaction to her at least makes sense given he was going to die. Him offering her a job and mentioning he appreciates someone who appreciates the Falcon is a stealth passing of the guard. A nod that he wouldn't mind her using it now he's gone
Ask any normal person if Rey led to Han being killed. They'll say no. Her flaws and the consequences of her actions are not focused on as if they are her fault or a problem in the least.
What I disliked the most about The Force unleashed is that Sheev was going to execute Bail Organa and Mon Mothma but they escape. Despite that, Leia is still allowed to run diplomatic missions from Alderaan for a few years after these events and Sheev doesn't bother to get rid of the Senate for a few years after as well
it gave us so much insight into the world sheev built, we always see so much of the jedi in the movies.
but TCW showed us ventress, greivous, hell they brought darth maul back with a brother.
TCW gave us an entire world of sith, show me another single star wars venture with that much sith in it.
>And we get yet another qt Imperial husband
That's Yogar Lyste, he's been around a while and has been in episodes before. He' now just in charge of Lothal, which is a death sentence.
It's actually pretty disgusting how many fanboys these worthless thugs get. They immediately bend over for the biggest bully on the playground and as soon as the Republic gets it's shit together they get their ass beat. They suck.
Obviously Han feels a connection with her because she's likely connected to or related to Luke. I thought this was obvious. Same with Kylo, who clearly knew her at some point. I wouldn't count their loving her as a Mary Sue trait so much as a product of plot convenience and hinting at her past.
Still think she's too close to a Mary Sue for comfort, though. Just not in that aspect.
I honestly wish they'd put more money into the show just to improve the CGI. It's not horrible but damn, every time I see something from TCW I wish Rebels had a bit more style to it.
stop fucking calling palatine fucking sheev Internet your abusing the fuck out of it no one ever called him that before and we have only heard it once in star wars canon so fuck off you're really grinding my gears
>Being afraid of being abandoned isn't really a character flaw,
Except it is. Your mental gymanistics won't save you.
>and it only serves to hurt others in that she ran away that one time.
It only had to happen once.
>But Kylo probably would have gone after her anyways even if she hadn't, and likely succeeded.
You're arguing a hypothetical, which is meaningless. What if Han & Chewie stopped by earth and smoked weed? What is Finn shit on the floor? What if Poe kissed Kylo full on the mouth?
>Her getting KO'd was completely turned around when she managed to beat Kylo at his own game despite no training. Her flaws are already incredibly weak, but the few she displays are reversed to a crazy extent by all the things she can do.
She uses the Force. She literally used the Force. She learned the mind trick from Kylo's weakass mindprobe.
>I don't hate Rey, but there's a reason a lot of people are gunning for her to nearly go dark side. She needs a real struggle to be an interesting character.
I just watched the Mortis episodes for the first time.
What the fuck did I just see
Let the hate flow through you
Looks like someone shot the thing with a prototype Death Star Laser and it didn't completely destroy the planet, which makes sense, in about four years the Death Star will be full operational.
i really hope rey is no way connected to any current character.
im hoping sheev left a massive power vacuum in the force from killing most of the jedi and then him self getting canned.
so force users are popping up every where, new born babies, adults, children and the old are getting random force powers.
The Force Awakens
>Ask any normal person if Rey led to Han being killed. They'll say no. Her flaws and the consequences of her actions are not focused on as if they are her fault or a problem in the least.
But normies are plebs with bad opinions. I know because 4chan told me.
All my friends hated Rey and hate all star wars.
Rey was presented as a victim all along, not a flawed character. Her convenient incredible force power surpasses even Luke and Anakin. She was too strong too quickly. Maybe it would have been better if Kylo had been portrayed as weak in the Force but he wasn't. The opposite, in fact, until the end of the movie.
The reverse mind probe I actually didn't mind. I figure Kylo wasn't used to having someone be able to push back. Her getting that mind trick down on James Bond stormtrooper so fast was going too far.
>I thought this was obvious.
It is, which may be why it is misdirection.
Unlikely misdirection but sometimes they do stupid things while trying to be clever. For myself I think they need a new generation of heroic Skywalkers. But maybe those two female roles are Luke's kids? Twin girls? If they ever were, which might be why they had a bigger part, that's likely changing with the rewrite.
>These. If it's a technicality that you have to do a thread's worth of mental gymnastics to call a flaw, then it isn't one. Pretty simple.
An unbiased observation of what Rey does in the film is not mental gymanstics.
/co/ntrarian as usual.
Because Tarkin was the only one who could say it and get away with it
people who use that word should be dragged into the street and shot
I'm not 100% on her being related to Luke but her being a former student of his is a given at this point. The novelization all but confirms that Kylo knew her. Mindwipe seems to be pretty much canon too, considering how the novel describes the barrier Kylo runs into when trying to mind probe her.
Who Sheev Palpatine, that loser that was killed by his own Apprentice and his Empire fell apart after about 25+ years instead of lasting over a thousand years? No, I won't respect that piece of shit. Fuck him.
They call him Sheev because
he's a clone of Shev.
As much as people complained about Kanan cutting the walker legs, I think they stood up rather well.
Okay bad joke. But yeah definitely made a good showing for themselves. The armor for the upper body is insanely strong, but the legs were always the weak point. From tripping over tow cables to slipping on logs.
>Rey was presented as a victim all along, not a flawed character.
The fuck are you talking about? Finn is baffled why she wants to return to Jakku, and Han is disappointed she won't join him.
Maz pleads with her and is rejected.
When Finn leaves her she is crushed and her vision further propels her to reject her force destiny.
>Her convenient incredible force power surpasses even Luke and Anakin.
It's the fucking Force. It once made a person!
>She was too strong too quickly. Maybe it would have been better if Kylo had been portrayed as weak in the Force but he wasn't. The opposite, in fact, until the end of the movie.
And this is where you're in the realm of opinion.
Kylo stopping a blaster laser in mid air was supposed to be a display of weakness, then? What do you think was the point of that scene, if not to establish his power?
Still not seeing anything that suggests she wasn't presented as a victim to feel sorry for.
>Everyone who loves Rey would say she did nothing wrong.
I love Rey and she did some things wrong.
>The flaw wasn't presented enough as a flaw. You were supposed to feel sorry for her and that's it.
That's your opinion.
People will assume that new characters is referring to Rey, Finn, and Poe.
Actually, it is referring to Captain Ithano, Teedo, and TR-8R. They will be the new leads.
That was actually some enjoyable irony. When Finn wants to get the hell out she tries to pull him back, not wanting to see him leave.
Then she does the exact same fucking thing to Maz and resists people telling her almost exactly what she said to Finn, to the extent that Maz sort of rolls her sunken eyes.
Is that an inconsistency? Bad writing? People can say so, but it's very much a human reaction. We're often pretty hypocritical without realizing it, especially once we get emotional.
I've seen everyone in this thread name literally one flaw of Rey's. One. One that's more of an understandable emotion than a flaw at that. Don't you think that's not enough to create a compelling character?
>You can stop shitposting any time now.
I am a light in the dark.
mmm more like old republic, a fresh start in a wild new galaxy.
before the jedi hunted down and killed every sith, then sheev turned shit around and murders every jedi he can find.
now... no jedi council no all powerful sith empire. just the new republic, theres no one to govern how they use the force any more.
I'm no animation expert
would Maya be a typical program to use for this type of show?
You are, as always, our hero. Thank you for your efforts.
We promise not to spend more than a year after Disney bounty hunters freeze you in carbonite to find you in Jabba's palace and thaw you out.
>Kylo stopping a blaster laser in mid air was supposed to be a display of weakness, then? What do you think was the point of that scene, if not to establish his power?
His tirades in Starkilled base showed he was prone to outburts. And Rey was shown to be able to intimidate him in metal battles.
>Still not seeing anything that suggests she wasn't presented as a victim to feel sorry for.
Pay attention to the other characters and how they react to Rey?
>Episode 8 delayed 7 months
>being rewritten so filming is delayed
Honestly, it doesn't look like a filming delay to me. It's that they realized the five months they'd given themselves between Rogue One and Episode VIII were just too short for proper turnaround time in marketing and merchandising. Why? Because they'd have to start marketing for Episode VIII essentially simultaneously with final push for Rogue One and confuse the audience. Factor in a two month theatrical run and you'd be left with barely three months between movies. Disney can do that with Marvel movies, but they have a much, much smaller marketing push than Star Wars. The change in schedule gives added time to the production, yes (and I do think they were cutting that a little close), but it's mostly marketing that's the concern.
Yogar Lyste all up in dat hair
I don't know how his tirades disprove the power he displayed earlier. He's an out of control fuckwit but he's clearly Force talented and we were meant to see that. Rey intimidating him with no training was more Mary Sueness.
>Poe is the only Gary Stu in TFA as presented thus far. He didn't have enough screen time to have flaws.
He cares too much. ;__;
'Sheev' is the best thing to be added to the canon in recent memory to be honest familias.
Some people think it was in a way. He overreacted to the attack, expending quite a bit of power when he could have just deflected the shot.
Does this matter? Not on the face of it, no. But it become something in his character when we later see him overreacting to problems, usually at the expense of the furniture around him. It even plays out in a way to his final duel in the movie. We've seen anons claiming Kylo Ren couldn't have been hurt because he was swinging his blade so effortlessly. Setting aside the blood splatter and his stopping to punch his own side while fighting Finn his swings aren't so much effortless as they are over-exaggerated. He's fighting VERY sloppy and first Finn and, later when she uses the Force, Rey use this to their advantage to wound him.
Whether all of this is truly connected, well, I could be overstating the matter. But it's how I see it. Individually I'd still say each matter holds true.
Aresko and Grint were beheaded by one and those passengers were killed by those two Inquisitors due to the fact that one of them had a Force-Sensitive baby, so yes, people do get killed by lightsabers.
Every time people really start screaming about Mary Sues in TFA I just imagine 4chan reacting to A New Hope if it came out today.
>Fucking Luke is a bland audience self-insert, whiny faggot
>Leia is such SJW bullshit, calling out based Han like that fucking cunt
>How did Luke suddenly learn how to shoot the exhaust port on the Death Star? He barely had any training with The Force
And so on.
You people are trying to ascribe modern tropes to a series of films inspired by 50's pulp sci-fi and fantasy. You may as well start reading John Carter and complaining about tropes there.
1080p of "Princess on Lothal":
>inb4 he gets demoted
Son, you don't get demoted in the Empire, unless demotion means getting shot in the back of the head and being replaced by the next lackey under your command.
I will say it is absolutely insane how in the movie the X-Wings at Maz's castle not only dominated in the air but actually wiped out the ground forces. Just flying at those speeds and still being able to pick out individual troopers and shoot them perfectly, it was crazy.
And Poe likely did all that without an Astromech, since he was lacking BB-8. Poe obviously has the Force.
Thank you, Anon. Your generosity will not go unnoticed.
>Hapes best consortium
Do you even corruption?
No, TFA is very much modern in most aspects, even when it tries to copy ANH. Lazy, nearly flawless "strong" female characters with zero complexity for the purpose of sadly successful pandering is completely 2k16.
Using the Force to accurately make a shot with a ship-borne torpedo when one is already a skilled pilot isn't as hard to believe than Rey's 'close eyes for ten seconds and briefly become a lightsaber master' in TFA.
I'm pretty sure that if in their attempts to make girl-Luke, the fact that they didn't keep the whiny faggot bits of his persona did more harm than good to some people's perception of Rey.
>And Poe likely did all that without an Astromech
Have we ever seen an X-Wing fly without an astromech in it? Did we see the end of his X-Wing that the astromechs come out of, when we saw BB-8 rolling towards Poe?
He'd already been established as skilled in flying small craft, mainly his T-16 Skyhopper. Even so, he barely scraped by in the dogfight, mostly because all of the other fighters were seen as bigger threats, and when they finally got around to him, they would have killed him dead as well if Han hadn't rescued him at the last minute.
Making the shot was a matter of faith. It was all timing. It's not really an advanced technique, "letting go" and allowing the Force to guide you is the first thing you ever have to do, and it took him the entire movie to really understand it. It was, also, entirely passive. It was about Luke NOT being the hero who does everything because he's awesome, it was about Luke being a small part of something out of his control.
At first she was, but she'd fought him before while fleeing. Can't fault her for being that cautious/nervous around him.
Was it his fighting style? I'd say it was. The same sloppiness let her dodge, block and counterattack when she finally gave in to the Force.
But the problem isn't that Rey (like Luke) is a ridiculously exceptional individual; it's that the way her character arc was written is exceptionally shitty.
Your recording of secret rebel holovideos is much appreciated citizen.
Luke being a whiny faggot made him human. But it'd be too much of a repeat on Rey, and Kylo fills that particular Skywalker quota.
Rey would have benefitted a lot if she'd kept up a more gruff, trust no one, slightly asshole persona for longer in the movie before letting her walls down.
Yep. Luke did that when Artoo was shot in ANH. They mostly handle power distribution and sensors. They can also technically, I think, tap into flight and weapons systems. We haven't seen that with an X-Wing but they've flown Jedi fighters before. Hell, Chopper can fly the Phantom from his droid socket. Whether they actually help the pilot during combat, yeah, probably not. I guess it's possible.
>Making the shot was a matter of faith. It was all timing. It's not really an advanced technique, "letting go" and allowing the Force to guide you is the first thing you ever have to do, and it took him the entire movie to really understand it. It was, also, entirely passive. It was about Luke NOT being the hero who does everything because he's awesome, it was about Luke being a small part of something out of his control.
Isn't that basically what happened to Rey? She stopped denying the Force, let it in and with it combined pulled off something she otherwise couldn't have.
What character arc? They've already thrown away the chance for her to have a typical hero arc. If anything Kylo's on that path, but the villain version. I really have no clue what they plan to do with her. My fear is that they'll just keep making her stronger with no real backtracking and struggle.
I think Daisy was breddy gud. Too bad she had a shit script to work with.
But that's pretty much all the TFA actors. They're probably the best acting group of all Star Wars, but they have nothing good to work with.
They're just waiting for the perfect opportunity to knock her down a peg. Pic related.
The switch up of Rey and Kylo for a portion of the trilogy is the only idea I can think of that would be new and cool. Rey would have to go back to being a hero at the end, of course, so fits aren't thrown. At least it'd be something different though.
I still can't get over how everyone was still doing what they were doing 40 years ago.
I liked the movie fine, but damn Luke having a school and not just being a hermit would have been kickass.
Oh well I hope there's at least confirmation of other living Jedi masters.
I'm not talking about the mindtrick. I'm talking about the lightsaber battle with Kylo at the end.
Luke had pulled off trick shots before, but the odds were against him. With the force, he guided the torpedo. Here, the Force guided Rey's lightsaber. That's what I felt when I got that scene.
>how did she know how to do a mind trick, or that was even possible with the force?
She does the mind trick after Kylo tried to mindprobe her, during which she very quickly learned Kylo has a severe inferiority complex about Darth Vader.
no one is fucking complaining about the lightsaber battle. rey has melee combat experience and is letting the force flow through her at that point, and not using any specific technique
the mindtrick is very specific.
I've seen people blame Kasdan for that but TFA suffers from a lot of the BS regarding time and scale that the Trek movies had. Hell the end of the movie looks like it only took 9 seconds for them to hop from the Resistance Base to Luke.
Even if she had training as a child, it'd be all of five years of it at most. Not enough that she'd be that strong without working at it.
Should have had her counter Ren's mind thing, had her maybe be strong enough only to hold the Stormtrooper still until Finn and Han saved her, and enough to push Kylo back at the end before the planet split between them but not enough to fully beat him. That would have been enough to establish her Force talent without going overboard.
> theres no governing system for force users.
TCW, comics, Rebels, and Pablo (who JJ kept in constant contact with during filming) show that there is a system of how to learn things.
Did somebody say rewrites in response to fan reactions?
Not for lack of trying. It just hit him hard when half his students murdered the other half. Sucks to be a wizard teacher.
Not that, her controlling that Stormtrooper. That seems like it'd be a really fucking hard technique for a new Force user. Nevermind how she even knew she could do that. Kylo had never displayed that particular skill in front of her.
Is the Mindtrick a huge deal? Kylo Ren invades her mind twice, second time she manages to flip it on him. Afterwards she makes several attempts to make a connection. And honestly when she did she became almost creepy robotic. Like the Force taking over.
I've seen people bitch about her pulling the saber despite Kylo Ren being better trained and she never saw it, but again if the Force wanted her to have the weapon as it had been calling to her, there's no way it would have chosen Kylo over her.
Still letting the Force be her guide isn't something she can rely on all the time. Definitely comes off as very rough, in severe need of training.
its like you people dont know the movies called THE FORCE AWAKENS, the force has been suppressed by two galactic wars.
its going to balance it self out in some massive way, like a random girl doing bad ass force stuff.
I worry about everyone saying this script is "weird". Weird means different, which is good. But he could also run things into the ground in a ridiculous way trying to be "weird" and "darker" than VII. Wasn't killing Han in such a terrible way dark enough? Star Wars was never really all that much of a dark story.
>yfw episode 9 has an ideon ending
fuck the skywalkers
I trust Rian with Kylo a lot. Seems like a character up his alley. I hope he does something good with the piece of bland whitebread that is Rey.
My biggest hope is that Finn's Stormtrooper brainwashing background is explored more. He was given one of the most unique origins in the series and it hardly seems to affect him at all so far. You don't just separate from years upon years of brainwashing that easily.
>implying that much thought is going into the background development
Anybody who has been paying attention saw the writing on the wall for how Episode VII was going to turn out at least since JJ came on board (more broadly Disney's official statement about the Lucasfilm purchase portended the shittyness to come, but I digress). His directorial sensibilities in Star Trek clearly indicated that his vision for Star Wars would ultimately be governed by his virginal juvenile experience of the OT: all the flash, none of the substance. I'm absolutely not going to blame Kasdan, because we know perfectly well how a Star Wars movie unfolds when it's under his control.
Ezra has issues connecting with other people. It's a stated hangup. He CAN do it but has problems.
Considering when he lost control of his emotions and summoned a giant momma fyrnock, it seems like Kanan is deliberately withholding the mind trick from the kid's teachings. Can't say I blame him.
At any rate it is a skill Padawans learn. Ahsoka did. It's not the most difficult by far, but it is one the Jedi tend to only pass on when they trust their student. Considering it's the ability to fuck directly with someone else's brain (if they're weak minded enough) you can see why.
When we saw Rey using the Force both times it was when she had no choice but to try.
Mind tricking people like that always came off as an advanced technique to me. And I always imagined influencing the mind to be a more subtle and refined use of the Force than pushing or pulling things, but obviously that has no bearing on the reality since it's what I personally feel.
Still, to support why I think that, Luke never used a mind trick until Episode VI, whereas he learned physical manipulation stuff in V.
And in the prequels, only Qui-gon did it in Episode I, Obi-wan only did it in Episode II, when he was a Master.
I don't mind the bit with the lightsaber so much since they seem to be pushing the Force as a semi-sentient thing that can briefly take over when you call on it as far as TFA goes. The Mind trick felt more off to me.
Honestly, it feels like they just wanted a mind trick scene in the movie and JJ said 'wait I got an idea we can do it like this' one day.
stop bringing your headcanon shit in this argument.
NO HE DOESN'T HE IS THE BEST AT CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE. SEE THE EPISODE WHEN HE CONNECTS WITH THE FORCE SENSITIVE BABY.
I have a feeling that episode 8 was meant to be told largely in flashbacks with young Ben, young Rey (although they'd keep that hidden for a bit somehow), and young other kid.
Probably to show a start of darkness and to show new characters if they really thought the new leads wouldn't be popular.
That's why I wish she'd only be able to just hold the Stormtrooper still or something like that so Han and Finn could save her instead of full on mindjacking him. That would still have been really impressive and not as ridiculously conveniently OP.
Doesn't have to last forever. The suggestion of the passage of time is most often accomplished in Star Wars via unconventional screen wipes.
And it's just one example. The Falcon's arrive at Starkiller is timed to the second of Han finishing his explanation. Poe's "fleet" of X-Wings jump out of lightspeed the moment they hear the shield is down as if they were somehow parked in hyperspace waiting for that exact moment.
its common sense, for 6 whole movies force users lived in fucking terror of being murdered just because they like the dark side or light side. DID THAT NOT HAPPEN?
now... force users can do what ever they want really...
unless i missed some galactic we hate fucking force users guild in TFA
>I'd be fine with this. Rey and Finn had zero romantic chemistry. Fuck it was almost in the negatives.
I don't know about that. It was like 50/50.
>I suspect she'll stay single like Luke did.
She's gonna get a girlfriend.
Maybe not so much focus but new characters were going to play a much larger role. This is being scaled back (according to what people are saying).
The "odd reason" appears to be them rewriting the script based on how people reacted to TFA. They specifically waited to see how the movie played out before making sure the new script capitalizes on what worked, and presumably try to fix what didn't.
Yeah VII's timing was incredibly off and far too quick. It was a huge mistake when trying to jump back into a series known for good portrayals of a vast universe. Ruined the atmosphere.
But I can forgive all that. What I can't forgive is that fucking helicopter shot.
>She's gonna get a girlfriend.
After one particularly bad night on the Falcon after they both got drunk Rey and Chewie find comfort in each other's arms.
This leads to Maz going Dark Side.
>6 whole movies force users lived in fucking terror of being murdered just because they like the dark side or light side
What are you talking about man? The only time Force-Sensitives were hunted was when the Empire was around.
Maybe it was just that they were going to take some characters in different directions before they realized how popular they were and decided to rewrite them more satisfying arcs to please the masses. Not necessarily that the sequel would focus on new characters.
Somehow I can see them focusing on entirely new people while Rey and Kylo do their respective Rocky training montages, though. That would have been stupid as hell.
Ezra is slightly older. He was born on Empire Day, the day the Empire was declared by Palpatine's speech (which Padme watched). Days later Padme gave birth to the twins as Sheev was giving "birth" to Vader on the operating table.
The rumors state that two new female characters, who they are still trying to cast, were going to take the spotlight in Episode 8 but the rewrites are significantly scaling those characters back to give stronger focus to Finn, Poe, Rey, and presumably Kylo Ren. Troubling that they needed to make this change to begin with.
>two stormtroopers open fire on a man standing still not twenty meters away
>they fire a dozen times
Holy fuck, is this show an out and out comedy now? That was parody levels of inaccuracy.
It's in the Rebels Recon posted earlier in the thread. basically they hired someone who could convincingly sound like OT Leia. Apparently she can't sound young enough for some people's tastes.
Rebels takes place 5 years before ANH, I think a year has passed after the first season and now it's going to be four more years until ANH.
Yeah, me too. Romance plots are mostly shit and bring nothing to the table.
Feminists like to pretend that a "strong" woman don't need no man and it's sexist to have her want one, but ironically as women they all inherently only want to watch romance and relationship stuff so if Disney wants girls to give a shit about her, she's going to need a love interest. Which she already has in Finn.
No, because the Sith would literally bring suffering and chaos to the Galaxy because they are selfish assholes that want more power for themselves, even if that means causing trillions of innocent people to suffer.
I actually think she'll stay pure like Luke. If only to parallel them again. I think Finn will get a love interest in one of the new female characters of the next episode and that'll be the only romance plot.