Was this an amazing ass episode thread or what? Patty's ass was on point in every appearance.
When the fuck will Barry start to use Gideon? She's still in STAR Labs, and can obviously be a huge help to the team. Hell, she probably even has a way to get Jay's speed back as well.
Wally was pretty cool though, and proved yet again that CWVerse has no niggers, only black people. He wasn't racing for fun, he was racing to save his mom.
Patty, while best love interest for Barry, was a fucking idiot though.
>Sorry, I have to go!
>She gets attacked right after
>The fuck'd you leave me for?
>Well I don't have a good excuse.
>Well fuck off then
>Gets told she's the most important thing to the Flash
>But I'm important to Barry, not the flash!
>Then why did he save you like he loved you?
>BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD PERSON
God damn girl, put two and two together already. Sucks she was written off because she got a role on another show, but at least they made her go CSI like how she is in the comics.
And Wells flat out murdering someone to get a chunk of their brain through their nose was badass. Don't know how he'll explain it to everyone else though.
>YO WELLS, TURTLE IS DEAD
>Huh, sucks for him
>WHY WAS YOUR ACCESS CODE USED TO OPEN THE PIPELINE?
>WHY DID WE FIND THIS SYRINGE GUN IN YOUR LAB WITH HIS DNA ALL OVER IT?
>OH OKAY THEN.
Wally a shit and i don't give a fuck about any West family drama
Both Patty and Barry are morons. Her because she can't see he's The Flash even though he makes no effort to cover his face or distort his voice, and Barry for not telling her the truth when he's told literally everyone else he's ever come in contact with in his adult life.
The last 20 seconds though redeemed it, can't wait for his return next week.
Is the Flash going to start introducing Teen Titans characters now?Midway City was where the headquarters of the Doom Patrol used to be and Makarovia is where Terra is from.
Everyone seems to forget that Wally was a jerk before he became mellowed out.
OR... Or Flash Fighting against Zoom in the season finally, gets his ass beaten, Zoom is About to kill Barry. Then RF putts his hand throw Zoom, killing him and says "No'`t fast naught Flash" and smiles at Barry.
It would be cool. But who knows.
No he didn't.
She's still in the room. They never mentioned her since. Barry and co. talk to her, but Wells shows up so they bail. He goes in to the secret room, asks her for a status update, and she says everything is fine. That's the last we've saw of her until last nights episode when Eobard asks her when they are.
not a great episode desu, liked wally tho!
I was presently surprised with Wally, i was worried he was just gonna be a dick for no reason but they gave him some reason for the anger at joe
Turtle's powers were broken and the writers couldn't figure it out so they just bullshitted that Barry beat him even though that means his power would be useless against Zoom and the whole episode was meaningless
I never cared about the relationship drama half of the show
There was no reason to bring Eobard back yet, they're pulling too much shit into season 2 and it's going to collapse under its own weight.
>More than halfway through Season 2
>No Cisco-centric episode where his gangbanger brother comes to visit
>Tries to guilt trip Cisco for abandoning his family and heritage to follow his science dreams
>It ends with a b-boy battle that Cisco wins
>they gave him some reason
No they didn't, they pretended he had a reason and none of the characters called him out on it because CW drama dictates that both characters be sorry, it's in the formula.
In reality Wally has every reason to be angry - with his mother. Joe is totally without fault
>WillTV Stream noises
>Origin Stories intesifies
Turtle was great. Wells slowly going serial killer was great and THANK GOD THE DRAMA WAS ON LOW KEY. I was seriously worried this was going to be a pure shit show, but they actually made Wally mellow and fairly decent for the son of a drug addict and pathological liar.
This could have gone total felicity. It didn't. I'm content with that and excited for the real Zoom to show up again. PROFESSOR Zoom.
Plots are supposed to start frayed and come together to a point, not start focused and then start flying off in a million tangents
Getting a little frustrating, little overstuffed.
Jay's been an enormous missed opportunity. At this point he should have appeared at the end of the season, speed intact, to help stop Zoom. As it's been he just mopes around at takes away valuable Wells time.
Cisco is meta, do something with it maybe.
Not telling best girl when he had the perfect opportunity after he saved her was really stupid. Or even after she said she was leaving, "Fuck, Patty, you're so hot and I love you. Listen, I'm The Flash, I'm a living god, essentially. I will carry you to that university every morning and it will take like a second, don't leave."
Sad to see Patty go, but maybe it means more screentime for others. As things are everyone just plays their quick role, says their typical thing. And it's going through the motions. More Barry, less angst. More Wells.
I'm honestly glad they handled patty like this. It's low on drama and she's gone without turning into a puff of Smoak.
Now, Jay, Jay I agree with fully. They completely wasted Jay Garrick and what we see on screen has...absolutely nothing to do with the Jay we know from the comics. Who is this guy? Why's he a chickenshit loser and not a gritty old he-man?
I did like turtle, though. He was well-acted and far better done than the other one-offs we've had so far. I see it as a promising start into the actual season 2, now that LoT setup is finally out of the way.
> hey flash from earth 2 let me tell you that you are a dick because you didn't tell me you were dying, I would not really like loosing another boyfriend, after all it's a bigger deal for me, you, you are just dying
When I saw the mess of a finale for the first season I was petrified. I was so afraid that the amazing setup of the first season was a total fluke, and it looks like it was
This season has felt so confused. They started off well enough with the premise, then totally dropped the formula they spent the first few episodes establishing, and now they're just throwing speed powers at the show and hoping something sticks
Nevermind that Barry powering through Turtle's ability means it's fucking useless against Zoom. Nevermind that Zoom's plan is fucking stupid (make Barry faster by doing nothing? So he can get marginally more speed from him so he can do...nothing?), just watch the relationship drama!
Maybe they can pull an inversion and have a fantastic finale.
The thing that really tipped me off on the dip in quality was the Arrow crossover. In season 1 crossover episodes were way below par. This season the crossover was easily the best episode.
I dunno, that would make sense, but nothing on imdb?
>I'm honestly glad they handled patty like this
There is something to be said for single Barry, not falling into the 'I MUST PROTECT HER' hole.
>I did like turtle, though
Yea I did too, highlight of the episode, pretty well done.
it lets her leave on a high note while fans still love her role and character on the Flash and allows her to gain experience in making films. It's a good move. She's leaving while people still want more.
Felicity, on the other hand, well, once Arrow is gone, we'll never see her actress again. Except maybe in porn.
Is it just me, or is this "Good Thawne" from before he turns evil, i.e. "Thawne with the key to turning people into speedsters"...
>Is it just me, or is this "Good Thawne" from before he turns evil, i.e. "Thawne with the key to turning people into speedsters"...
Possibly. Harry does say "this is his origin story" in the preview, so we might be getting RF discovering his fate and going evil. Which is a shame, because I really wanted them to do something more fleshed out, with Barry trying to befriend him to prevent the future and ultimately failing. Instead we'll probably get something that's neatly wrapped in 45 mins.
>Harry is working on speed.
>Has d = st.
>Has one of Maxwell's equations.
Holy shit, just make up stuff rather than having pretty common physics stuff that anyone could recognise. Using d for distance and s for speed is high school stuff and I refuse to believe any scientist would use them.
That wouldn't work in the current setup, where everyone knows Eobard Thawne is an evil bastard. I mean, imagine Barry taking him to meet ANYONE from team Flash. He'll be constantly confronted by his history (or future, or alternate reality self) as an evil bastard.
I do think it's possible he'll try to help out and prove he's not a bad guy, though. But I think the team's reaction to him is what will sow the seeds for villainy. Reverse Flash is pretty much the definition of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
No it wasn't, Eobard doesn't exist anymore. They glossed over none of the timeline not making sense, but this is ridiculous.
If they needed an active speedster for their Zoom plot, well, Garrick is right fucking there and Eobard is building the Johnny Quick formula
The story they spent the first few episodes of season 1 building his already collapsed (Zoom is literally doing nothing, they abandoned him sending threats through the rift entirely)
>because I really wanted them to do something more fleshed out, with Barry trying to befriend him to prevent the future and ultimately failing
On the contrary, I thought it was terrible. Not Patty's ass, but the episode. The forced drama was ridiculous l, especially since it culminated with Patty being shipped off somewhere else.
Frankly, if the next episode wasn't based Thawne I'd drop the show like I did Arrow. I feel like the next episode may be too predictable, though. I'm really hoping they're not going to go with "Barry is a megacunt to a Thawne who is not yet evil, thus making him evil" route
>yfw reverse flash will kill zoom and take his name, calling himself professor zoom.
If they make this Eobard from Earth-1 the show is fucking dropped
Eddie died, Eobard no longer exists. I can deal with the timeline not collapsing because of runs fast and stop thinking about it, but we fucking watched Eobard be erased from existence.
gideon can function in eobard's suit, so it's very likely he took her into it before he planned to leave for home. therefore gideon was destroyed when eobard was erased from existence.
so, no, she's not in the vault room.
My problem is more, I don't recognise the character at all. Barring the name, he's got absolutely nothing to do with Jay.
it's eobard from earth-1. producers already confirmed it being a past version of him (that is to say, thawne before he went to kill barry's mother and got trapped in the past.)
>b-but muh timetravel
time travel isn't real so they can make up the rules for their own universe. eobard can't exist after eddie shoots himself, but he's capable of existing before that moment and that includes past versions of him that travel through time.
eobard is basically a living paradox. the singularity was trying to do a hard reset by destroying the whole world after eddie shot himself, but barry and ronnie stopped it so now eobard can continue to be around.
The problem with Jay isn't that he's not a grizzeled vet. It's not like as if he has been old his entire publication history. The issue is that they clearly don't have any real storylines for him besides shipping him with Caitlin to appease the SnowBarry shippers by giving her speedster bf. It's retarded.
There was so much ass in this episode. It's incredible.
He clearly DID exist because all of his actions are still intact. This is Eobard from an earlier point in time and we'll probably get answers about the timeline because Joe asks in the trailer.
>eobard can't exist after eddie shoots himself, but he's capable of existing before that moment and that includes past versions of him that travel through time.
That's insanely fucking retarded and I refuse to be a part of it. This show is off the rails.
Yeah, come to think of it. What a huge wasted opportunity that is, not having piper react to the fact that his mentor had been dead for ages and it was actually a crazy Flash loving villain
Nigger you're fucking retarded. Not only are you making speculation based off of nothing, but we know for a fact that there is a supercomputer built in to the wall in that room that houses her AI, and thanks to last night's episode, we know that she's also downloaded in to the reverse flashes ring, which they still have along with his costume. Wells never destroyed the room, nor did he take Gideon away with him. If she was gone, they would have mentioned she was gone.
It's a yet unexplained plothole. Don't try and force shit that isn't true just because they haven't addressed it in a while.
They hit the essence of Thawne there perfectly, oddly enough, which makes what they did with Jay so frickin' weird. Eobard=living paradox, literally creator of his own doom? That's 1:1 from the comics. It was awesome.
Jay, Mr. Never-Gives-Up-Always-Keeps-Fighting though, holy fuck...how do you nail one character so well and completely miss the point with another?
That wasn't my point. The point is that his attitude and why he does what he does is absolutely nothing like Jay Garrick. Jay is a fighter, too stubborn to quit even if it literally kills him, which iirc it has. He's a guy who will literally punch the devil in the face with his last breath.
TV Jay? He's a cringeworthy coward who avoids conflict and runs away from all his problems. That was never Jay's thing or even remotely Jay's problem. Jay's problem was that he didn't know when to quit. This Jay quits all the time.
In the universe of the show, changing something only affects the present and the future, the ripples never travel backwards.
That's why Eobard disappeared but all the things he'd done as Wells weren't retconned.
Last night's episode was a huge letdown after coming back from the breK. Barry was an idiot, Patty is leaving the show, Caitlin and Jay are boring as fuck soap opera cliches together, and Wally West is an unlikable ass.
>eddie killed eobard by killing himself, meaning eobard is never born
>we literally watch as the timeline removes eobard from existence. He isn't killed, he is removed from time
>but eddie still had a kid and eobard was still born lol goes fast
Time travel plots give you a shitload of leeway, you can basically make up whatever the fuck you want, and they still managed to fuck it up
Why is Eobard even here, what purpose could he possibly fucking serve in the narrative? The only thing he brings to the table is speed force, and Jay and Wells can both fill that role easily.
In the first series I got the distinct impression that they had a plan and just fucked up the conclusion a tiny bit, but this season they're clearly making this shit up as they go along
I'm so fucking sick of the superhero identity drama. It's even worse when it's acknowledged in universe that everybody and their mother know that Barry is the Flash. I think Ollie even said Star Labs had a "rotating door"
This is obviously a post-episode discussion thread
But do you really want to spend time whining about Venditti/Jensen again? Everything that could be said has been said already. Hopefully they're off the book with #53 but we won't know for months still.
>In the universe of the show, changing something only affects the present and the future
but when you have time travel changing the future changes the past; I understand you're trying to patch the massive holes left by shitty writing but that just makes Wellsobard dissolving into silver pixel dust that much more retarded
Jesus and I thought I was done hating on the S1 finale. What a nightmare.
if they haven't addressed it yet, they probably won't address it at all. and it's not like they forgot gideon exists because we see eobard talking to her in the stinger of episode 10.
I'm fine with a little bullshit. It's ok. The entirety of the Flash finale made no fucking sense but I can roll with it and go "Speed Force don't gotta explain shit" as long as we leave it there and move on.
Instead they're going back and re-opening that can of inbred worms and my suspension of disbelief just cannot be stretched any fucking farther
What's a singularity?
Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the one with fewer assumptions should be accepted
Any theory about Gideon not being used that maintains the internal logic of the show will inevitably be based on a number of assumptions.
There is one hypothesis, however, that only makes a single assumption: The writers didn't consider Gideon when coming up with the plot so it's not being brought up.
The point you're missing is that Eobard is, and always has been, THE paradox. If they renamed him Paradox Man, would that make it better?
Thawne breaks the rules, Thawne breaks time, Thawne utterly fucks shit up for everyone just because he can and doesn't care.
(Honestly, he should've been the main villain of Legends of Tomorrow instead of Vandal Savage.)
I'm not missing your point, your point doesn't matter.
The whole Eobard timeline thing was fucked up in the finale of season 1 and it ruined the entire build-up, the episode was a stinker of the highest caliber but that's fine because this is a serialized medium. You move on and forget that shit sandwich ever happened.
Except now they're diving into the trash and pulling out the half-eaten turd and shoving it back in my face and going REMEMBER WHEN YOU THOUGHT THIS WOULD TASTE GOOD
This is literally what the character does
This is hitting the nail on the head for the character
Thawne breaking the rules is his entire point.
Do you not read Flash comics, anon?
Nevermind you're trying to convince us this is 'implausible' somehow. Do you actually know how time travel works? Please explain it to us. It should be amusing.
I mean, we do have a decen set of reasonable assumptions about how time travel would work, and the show lacks quite a bit of internal consistency on that point anyway.
But none of that matters because the core conceit of the show is literally someone getting struck by lightning and thus being able to run really fast.
>Flash S1 finale
>top 3 of the season
Barry run through this particle accelerator as fast as you can and I'll shoot a single hydrogen atom at you. If you don't hit the atom fast enough everyone will die. What's that? No, Barry, it's fine, air isn't made of matter.
Eddie, your progeny is going to kill us all, quick schedule a vasecto-BANG
We're about to destroy this entire timeline and none of this will have happened, but let's take some time out from repairing history to get married
No speedy self, don't do what I'm also here to do and save mom, preventing the timeline from fracturing! You'll only save countless thousands of lives including your mother's and father's!
Barry, you can't go back in time and save your mom and dad and everyone who was hurt in any way by the particle accelerator explosion, you'll lose what makes you special! Except your relationship with me since I'll be your father-in-law. And your powers as the Flash. And you'll have a better relationship with Iris.
Remember, Barry, even though Eobard has already told us everything we need to send you back in time we're going to build him a time machine and let him out of his prison cell anyway for the lulz
Are you literally retarded?
>this is what the character does
How does that factor into suspension of disbelief? How does that matter when the whole point is that it's dragging huge problems with the show that were over and done with back into the light?
>you're trying to convince us this is 'implausible' somehow. Do you know how time travel works?
Ok, no, yeah, you have the mental capacity of a ten year old.
>But none of that matters because the core conceit of the show is literally someone getting struck by lightning and thus being able to run really fast.
That's not how suspension of disbelief works and I'm so tired of hearing this fallacy.
Read the fucking comics.
Killing a speedster doesn't actually kill them. It merges them back with the speedforce. A speedster can literally pull a dead speedster from the speedforce and bring them back in to existence. It doesn't matter if their death resulted in a paradox where they shouldn't exist and the entire universe should have changed but didn't, because the speedforce exists outside of spacetime and is unaffected by shit like that.
What is, was, and will be all exist in the speedforce, including everything from every possible reality.
>air isn't made of matter
>schedule a vasecto
As if RF would allow that.
>let's take some time out from repairing history to get married
Zero complaints about this. They didn't know what would really happen and they've been meaning to for a while.
>No speedy self, don't do what I'm also here to do and save mom, preventing the timeline from fracturing
Barry trusted his original self in knowing time better. I would too.
>And your powers as the Flash. And you'll have a better relationship with Iris
They had several fucking conversations debating whether Barry would trade his powers for a normal life. Did you even watch the show?
>let him out of his prison cell anyway
Your only good point.
>hurr its a superhero show you can't run that fast
Is this your first piece of fiction?
Willing suspension of disbelief is mainly about internal consistency and improbability.
Anyone will accept that a lightning bolt gave Barry superspeed just like anyone will accept that a Wizard in a fantasy movie can teleport and cast spells, etc.
Suspension of disbelief is broken when established rules are broken or when improbabilities pile up.
For example: I can accept that character X is a super-hacker that can ignore all real-life logistics to accomplish what is basically magic. I cannot accept a character guessing a complicated password in one try.
That I have to explain how suspension of disbelief works in fiction is absolutely ludicrous, though I guess now I understand the kind of people who've stuck with this show
This episode was fucking garbage
>oh hey I guess I'll tell Patty
>oh no I've been interrupted
>now that our relationship has gotten even worse I can't tell the truth anymore
Barry is a shitter
Wally is a shitter
Yeah it's not bad, but I think you lose some context for how much he grows up throughout vol 2 if you don't read the earlier stuff. And it manages to be a grittier Flash era without feeling too out of place.
Did you hit your head in the middle of reading the post? Let me break it down for you:
-Barry is supposed to hit a single hydrogen atom at immense speeds, too slow and big boom
-Barry enters the chamber before the particle is injected
-Barry is BREATHING
-therefore there is air in the chamber which should be a total vacuum
-therefore he's smacking a million hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, etc. atoms before the particle is injected
Get it now, dipshit?
>They had several fucking conversations debating whether Barry would trade his powers for a normal life. Did you even watch the show?
He would still have his powers in the repaired timeline. Do you?
Let me just get out ahead of you and say yes I watch the show and yes I read the comics so you can skip the retarded questions you keep reposting
I mean... you're right. Sort of. FOr a while, I was like you, especially back with the whole "Out of Time" tsunami time travel. I was desperately trying to figure out how this time travel could make sense. Then I realized that I could just stop giving a shit about the internal consistency of time travle, and the show instantly became at least twice as enjoyable.
I know "suspend your disbelief more" is kind of a shitty argument, but hey, it worked for me.
>He would still have his powers in the repaired timeline. Do you?
It wasn't just that. It was the fact that everything would be different and they had no way of knowing if it would be better.
>they had no way of knowing it would be better
That's what they tried to push in the finale but that's laughable at best and evil at worst.
By not repairing the timeline Barry is personally fucking over not just the people he loves, he's fucking over literally anyone who is negatively effected in any way by the accelerator explosion. Meta victims by the score.
We know that in the original timeline:
-The accelerator did not explode, and ushered in a new wave of scientific development. So actually add anyone that dies of cancer to that list of people Barry fucked by not going back in time
-Wells doesn't get horribly murdered
-Caitlyn's fiance doesn't get FIRESTORM'd
-Barry is still the Flash
-Barry is married to Iris
What possible reason could there be to think the repaired timeline would be worse than the current one
>What possible reason could there be to think the repaired timeline would be worse than the current one
Because, and I said this in an earlier post, Barry's original self told him not to. He must have known that Barry's mom dying was for the best.
Remember, this is the same future Barry that was so smart he invented Gideon.
Barry was already ambivalent. This was firmly established.
>Stop invincible son!
Comparing some redneck farm hick to a genius scientist and experienced Speed Force user is laughable. Future Barry was probably just the final straw that gave prime Barry the final push it needed.
It's cute how you're trying to apply a flawed understanding of science (or what you think is science. You sound like you never made it past 8th grade physics and chemistry) to the flash, when even its core premise is scientifically unsound. I mean, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't have made it to the season 1 finale. You'd have switched off the second he started running faster than the human body can survive.
Here's my interpretation of how Eobard Thawne fits into the timeline.
If anyone has any arguments against this please tell me, I'm always looking to improve my theories. I can also elaborate on anything if this is hard to understand.
So tv reverse flash hates barry because of what's going to happen in the next episode? Stopping him from killing him as a child? I thought his hatred for him would have been for more than just that
it was a great show but got cancelled after one season
It's entirely possible that, while traveling backwards outside of the timeline, Barry managed to push Thawne back into the timeline. It would explain why Thawne doesn't know where he is while allowing him to do battle with Barry.
Professor Zoom hates Barry because the first time he went back in time to meet him, the Flash being his idol since childhood, he saw himself getting killed by him.
This Eobard idolizes the Flash still, and what'll happen is he'll track down Barry, who thinks it's evil Eobard, and Barry will be a total douchebag to him. Not understanding why Barry knows him and is being a dick, he'll ask what his deal is and it'll be revealed what happens to him in the Future.
But Barry will end up being nice to Eobard and even though Eobard will be upset with him and no longer idolize him, he'll get an ego knowing that HE made the flash. That's why he'll accept his fate and train Barry up in the future, and be a mentor and friend to him, even if his ultimate goal was to try and defeat him even though he knows his future is set in stone.
But that's the wrong Eobard.
That Eobard was erased from existence in season 1 because he can no longer exist.
This Eobard is a different Eobard as he's a paradox, meaning he can't go back to the future nor can he be erased in the past.
Downloaded a film called 400 days. White canary and the atom are in, and look who just showed up in it lmao
>Is this the one where they are in a bunker or something? Prepping for deep space travel
yeah the bunker one, i was going to turn it off but i might keep it on seen as he's showed up now
its the universe were Thawne doesn't care for barry and never becomes the reverse flash and instead runs a diner on mars, the only place in the solar system that can sustain cows
it must be strange working with someone all year on a tv show then turning up to film a film and your tv show work mates are there, you would naturally gravitate towards them and you would have your own little click going on the film set
>This Eobard is a different Eobard as he's a paradox
No you dumb shit. There is only one Eobard. This Eobard has always been a paradox. He's a paradox like Barry because both of them merge with the speedforce when killed, even if it erases them from history in that universe they were killed in.
Speedforce exists outside of spacetime and in the comics it's shown that Barry and Eobard can both will themselves back in to existence after merging with the speedforce.
The Eobard we saw was the one from Earth-1, which has been confirmed as the past version of the Eobard that dies. Eobard went to the past originally to meet the Flash, finds out Flash kills him, and then makes it his life's goal to fuck with Barry as much as absolutely possible knowing full well he'll never kill Barry and that he will ultimately die.
Please. For the love of whatever entity you believe in, at least read the basic lore for the Flash and his main villain. Even New 52 Eobard was flash obsessed to the point where he repeatedly went back in time to help himself become Zoom, knowing full well Barry kills him.
It's not because of the speedforce. Again, that shit literally exists outside of space time. They will even remember the past of the timeline that they're in, even if it's not their own, and retain the memories of their old one as well.
If anyone can understand this shit, this is what I made to help me figure out how a possible timeline could work out.
But, speedforce, etc etc.
I'm just gonna go with 'RF merged with the speedforce when he 'died', which insulated all his actions from being retconned and allowed him to revive, but due to werid time shit his memory has reverted to what it was the first time he time travelled'
>There is only one Eobard
No, there isn't. For example, in the comics, every time he went back in time in his own era to undo something he effectively erased the version of himself that committed the act itself and thus was unaware he was doing all the villainous acts that lead him to becoming the head of the Flash museum.
>Speedforce exists outside of spacetime and in the comics it's shown that Barry and Eobard can both will themselves back in to existence after merging with the speedforce.
If that was actually true then every multiverse story in the last 30 years doesn't make sense.
>at least read the basic lore for the Flash and his main villain
Yes, I advise you do the same so you understand that Eobard becoming a paradox is a central point to his character. It was, like, this REALLY important point that he kept fucking with time until it broke and he became impossible to erase from the timeline.
Season 1 Eobard is Eobard from a different timeline where Barry became Flash much later in his 20s and disappeared in 2025. He was erased from continuity, but for continuity's sake he still had to arrive back in time for the very first time, which we saw last episode. This Eobard is now an Eobard with his future erased as Barry has become the Flash early and thus cannot return there, nor can he be erased as the Eobard that was the catalyst for the erasure is already erased. The CW universe didn't start on a timeloop, nor does it currently exist in one since this Eobard won't ever go back in time to kill Barry's mom.
Screencap this so you'll know just how wrong you are next Tuesday.
>He shoved a needle up his nose, breaking in to his skull
Well, so far that's a lobotomy
>extracted a chunk of his brain
Okay so a lobotomy usually just injects part of the brain with alcohol, destroying it but basically the same sort of effect
Originally they were done through the eye socket
>He's never preformed an lobotomy
They go through the eye
Why was Eobard wiped from existance at all?
Shouldn't he be fine as long as original timeline Eddie lived?
The Reverse-Flash Returns cast list
Grant Gustin Grant Gustin ...
Barry Allen / The Flash
Candice Patton Candice Patton ...
Danielle Panabaker Danielle Panabaker ...
Carlos Valdes Carlos Valdes ...
Keiynan Lonsdale Keiynan Lonsdale ...
Tom Cavanagh Tom Cavanagh ...
Dr. Harrison Wells
Jesse L. Martin Jesse L. Martin ...
Rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Jason Bell Jason Bell ...
Matt Letscher Matt Letscher ...
Eobard Thawne / Reverse-Flash
Amanda Pays Amanda Pays ...
Dr. Tina McGee
Jeff Sanca Jeff Sanca ...
Vanessa Williams Vanessa Williams ...
Patty is gone and gone.
Probably but we have no idea what's going on based on all the time travel/parallel universe stuff.He could be RF before he went full nutjob,RF who survived the paradox or RF from Earth 2.
>this is where he learns about you
>this is his origin story
>there is nothing you can do about him
It's the Eobard that doesn't know about his destiny yet. He will become evil eventually.
They most likely brought him back to explain why he hates Barry so much.
Why didn't he just shoot himself in the balls or better yet just not have kids? And while I'm at it, why didn't Gandalf just get his giant eagle to fly the ring to the mountain and drop it in
>Even New 52 Eobard was flash obsessed to the point where he repeatedly went back in time to help himself become Zoom, knowing full well Barry kills him.
No he doesn't. That doesn't happen at all.
Because the tv verse exists post Flashpoint, Eobard is disconnected from the timeline.
The version of Barry that lived through Flashpoint is Future!Barry who told him not to save his mother.
he's probably just a mad scientist who wants to learn more about the flash, but then barry fucks up and causes eobard to hate him
probably not a good guy, he's still a sociopath and a killer, but not quite the monster he is in season 1.
>Why didn't he just shoot himself in the balls or better yet just not have kids?
Is this a seriously still being asked? What was stopping RF from jacking Eddie off and impregnating random female? Or cloning him? Basically RF had up until the point in which Eddie died to try to force him to procreate.
Tbh senpai, I don't know why RF didn't squeeze one out of his greatx7 grandpa when he had him tied up. Ffs I guess I'm smarter than the RF.
>telling a friend how much I fucking hate Arrow and how they keep stealing and fucking up Batman characters
>says he wants to quit it too, but feels he has to watch it for crossovers in Flash
>tell him it's like they took the worst of the comics, forcing people to watch the shit shows along with ones they like
It wasn't supposed to be this way.
You were supposed to not take the shit parts of comics to adapt.
>but when you have time travel changing the future changes the pas
The rules of time travel are different in every work of fiction, you can't claim that changing the future ALWAYS changes the past, otherwise, Terminator 2 would end with John Connor disappearing from history, or with the space-time continuum being destroyed by contradiction/paradox.
the synopsis for episode 13 is out. get hype for earth-2
>BARRY VISITS EARTH-2 – Barry (Grant Gustin), Wells (Tom Cavanagh) and Cisco (Carlos Valdes) journey to Earth-2 to rescue Wells’ daughter, Jesse (guest star) from Zoom. Barry is stunned when he runs into Earth-2 Iris (Candice Patton) and Joe (Jesse L. Martin), but nothing prepares him for meeting Killer Frost (Danielle Panabaker) and Deathstorm (guest star Robbie Amell). Meanwhile, back on Earth-1, Jay (guest star Teddy Sears) has to take over the Flash’s responsibilities when a meta-human nicknamed Geomancer (guest star Adam Stafford) attacks Central City. Millicent Shelton directed the episode written by Greg Berlanti & Andrew Kreisberg and Katherine Walczak (#213). Original airdate 2/9/2016.
>Meanwhile, back on Earth-1, Jay (guest star Teddy Sears) has to take over the Flash’s responsibilities when a meta-human nicknamed Geomancer (guest star Adam Stafford) attacks Central City.
Hype for earth 2? fuck that. Jay is going to do something, holy shit.
>People didn't like the episode
But we got Harry trying to copy Turtle's powers!
This means Hunter Solomon is confirmed!0
Clearly they only had him in the episode to see if Zolomon would work given how his powers work.
>fucking casuals pretending to know shit
This isn't hunter zolomon aka zoom frmo the comics OBVIOUSLY. ITS THE SHOWS ZOOM WHO HAS SPEED NOT TIME MANIPULATION
but yes i want to see hunterzolomon potrayed as how turtle was in terms of relative to patty
Allright, here's my thoughts about the characters, so far:
I wanted to cringe about Wally being a dick, but, being honest, Wally's been without father and with a drug abusing mother for God knows how many years, it's actually a miracle he has kept his wits and not become a crip or a blood or some shit like that. But it is perfectly understandable that he has a lot of hate, doubt and distrust accumulated.
So when Joe appears and he starts to try being the perfect father (something he didn't know wtf was) he lashes out, and calls him about all those years he wasn't there to take the responsability he had to have on his shoulders.
At first it seems Wally's being a total asshole, but when put in perspective, that's what really happens to hundreds of children who grow up in his conditions. At least at the end of the episode he gives Joe a second chance, which is great.
Dat ass. Shame she is leaving the show, but the doc was right. She leaving means Barry has not to worry about her anymore and can focus on how to stop Zoom.
Still useless. I remember everyone was hyped about having the two Flashes on the show, but he just appeared and said "speed stolen, lol" and even though he has said he has a lot of science expertise and shit, he hasn't done anything whatsoever, except flirting with Caitlin which is just as useless.
Still the same. They are in there for the drama. Which is not a bad thing, except when it's overdone. Joe actually helps Barry a lot for his character development, like Alfred to Bruce. Iris hasn't done much, she started out saying she was going to help the team more in STAR labs, but so far she has been there like two times and didn't say shit.
>Catilin and Cisco
Cisco is still great, it's really hard to hate the guy. Dunno, maybe it's his vibe. Caitlin, I wish she contributed a lot more like she did on S1, unlike in this season that she has been just a glorified doctor and romantic tool.
I like this Wells better than S1. He seems more focused, with his head more on the job and really, he is an asshole. He reminds me of what /co/ is and wants the plot to be. More action, less drama bullshit.
You know what I really miss about Barry? his CSI job. He was a genius on that, but for some reason the show dropped that since S1. Now, if there's a metacrime scene, he cannot do shit except calling STAR labs to do the CSI job for him. Granted they are metas but c'mon Barry you know better. And now that I think about it, why he is always passive about investigations, science stuff, etc... he seems to be a character that waits for heaven to do all the hard work for him just to know what to speed punch.
Here's a question I have. If he is so powerfull, why he hasn't done shit? yeah, he kidnapped Harrison's daughter but why is he asking Harrison to help him steal Barry's speed? wasn't it shown that he can do it without help? heck at one point he had Barry in a wheelchair and still did nothing. I don't know, maybe I'm just not remembering some facts.
Other than that, it's going good, I guess. He hasn't done as much as Reverse Flash did on S1 and I hate his growling voice but as a villian, it works out.
My guess is that they are going for the origin story where he still loves Flash and did all kinds of shit to meet him in person and all that. Plus, you cannot go wrong with Reverse Flash.
Honestly, Wally isn't even a dick. He's resentful, but it's all low key and resolved within one episode. And given his upbringing, it's remarkable he turned out that normal. I dunno, I feel Olicity has made /co/ hyperallergic to any kind of drama, even if in this case, it's actually handled in a low key way that wouldn't have annoyed anyone before Felicity came along.
Barry's connection to the Speed Force is stronger, and he wants Barry to become more powerful before killing him and stealing his speed. That's why he's playing mind games and using proxies and now Wells to psychologically undermine and manipulate Barry towards his goals.
It's a shame to see the degree the whole Olicity thing has got to. Now it's either you love it or hate it but during S3 it was all hate. I wonder how many ratings were lost with that.
Why is the general consensus that The Flash in the next episode is the same as the one in the Season 1 finale?
S1F Flash seemed to know something that S1 Flash didn't regarding saving his mother. He also knew more about time travel, since his disappearance implies he went back to his own timeline. Season 2 Flash doesn't have any experience in any of this.
But he's not. Zoom started off by sending metas through the breach to challenge flash and make him stronger, but he stopped doing that after 2 or 3 times. Now he's doing fuck-all while they deal with Wally and Eobard
The events of the past in timeline 2 were done by timeline 1 eobard
Timeline 2 eobard cannot exist, this has to be timeline 1 eobard, which still makes no sense because he can't be the villain we know him as because that was a different Eobard and he can't go back and kill Barry's mom because T1 Eobard has already done it.
So Turtle has the reflexes to slow the flash, who is running at super sonic speeds, but not enough to zap a normal guy unlocking his cage to probe his brain?
>throws stuff on the ground
>everyone loves him
NuWells confirmed for cat.
>Eobard travels back for the first time
>E2 Wells and Barry throws him to Zoom
>Zoom steals Eobard's speed
>Eobard travels to the past for the last time
>gets stuck in the past
>hunts down Wells who he doesn't know is E1 Wells