So I just started reading Homestuck. Does it get any better?

I'm sorry.

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No, but if you keep reading 100s of pages you'll get "Stockholm syndromed" into liking it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort_justification

>If I wasted so much time on this crap, it must be good!

Alternatively you can play Undertale for the same shitty writing and lack-of-effort art.

why?

>>79153945
No

>>79153945
Honestly, it gets better
but then it gets worse after a long while
You'll be pulled in by the creative world building a special powers the kids will have
and if you're an autist, you'll love the trolls

but even that isn't enough to make the author's writing good

>>79153945
It gets better, slowly at first but then it accellerates getting more and more and more fantastic until it plateaus at the start of act 6, then when you near the most recent part it starts to go downhill

man, I miss enjoying homestuck. It meant so much to me for four years of my life. It was a defining trait of me and changed the direction of my life permanently and now I just don't care anymore.

I care that I don't care, but homestuck doesn't seem as amazing to me as it used to. I'm not even looking forward to hiveswap because I know it's never going to come out

>>79153945
Homestuck is for me to enjoy, not you. go away

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Here's a crude chart I bullshit up for you that is sourced from my fleeting memories of my first read through

have fun guy

ye

>>79154490
i agree with this chart completely

>>79154490
Anon, make another one...in the shape of a dick. That would be...accurate.

>>79153945
Maybe. It definitely changes a lot, over and over. Understand that the comic is one long experiment where the author tries out different ways of fucking around with his audience. The earlier parts were run interactively like one of those forum quests. He abandoned that relatively early on but still kept his style of taking ideas from the fans and twisting them to his own ends. Over time the demographic he was writing for changed from what it originally was and then maybe he gazed too long into the abyss.

>>79154490
this chart is damn accurate, but what's the middle dip in act 6 supposed to represent? I can't tell because act 6 is all one big blur to me

Stop crying for spilled milk, post music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=514f8SzU62M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNauqOGQ-ss

>>79154819
Stop at Descend and never look back

Is problem sleuth any good?

>>79154991
It's very, very good. a lot shorter too and easier to get into

>>79154991
The best

>>79154929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOkeFOkE7No

So what's your favorite song/album, anon?
homestuck.bandcamp.com

>>79153945
just drop the thing at act 5.

>>79153945
Imho Problem Sleuth was his best work.

>>79154991
No. Sleuth is long and garbage and unfunny just as Homestuck The Final Boss is almost 50% of the whole story.

One joke every 80 pages. Thousands of pages. Pointless.

Homestuck is just that X 10.

Literally LITERALLY every single human being you will find calling Problem Sleuth "short" and "concise" are people who read Homestuck. No other sane person would call that shit "short".

>>79155428
>every single human being you will find calling Problem Sleuth "short" and "concise" are people who read Homestuck
No shit

> garbage and unfunny just as Homestuck
That's subjective, dont speak for everyone. MSPA humor is made of gags and brick jokes, PS does it well.

>>79154490
I don't have quite as big of a drop off for the trolls and I like the build up to Cascade way more than you do, but it's still pretty accurate for me.

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It gets good, then it gets ok, then it turns in to dogshit with the occasional good moment. The best part of the entire thing was enjoying the wild ride with the fandom, while it was still good and active. I wouldn't bother drudging through it anymore.

This is coming from somebody who has over 2GB of fanart still floating about on my computer.

>>79153945
First of all, if you are here because of the hype: The fandom is horrifying, half of the fanbase skipped integral parts, only to latch on to shipping. This might have created a feeling that it's a completely characterdriven comic, which i false.
The coolest part for me were the timetravel shenanigans, understanding the origin of characters and of course the metastory.
To be honest the non-linear, sometimes downright random build up made looking through this harder than it should be. Sometimes it feels like a 4-year old just mashes storythreads together like hotwheel cars and half way through remembers that there's a Peanut Butter sandwhich under his bed he left there last week, so he throws all the toys out of the window and crawls under his bed only to find his sister's diary there and attempts to read from it only to remember he can't read yet. You feel this metaphor went out of hand? This is how reading Homestuck feels like, I am not shitting you, unlike our metaphorical 4-year old, who will shit himself in kindergarten next week in the most embarrasing moment of his young life.
It has random rambling with mild amusement value, sudden switch of characters, but an amazing frame- and metastory.
In the beginning there is no particular part that makes you think "LOL THIS SHIT IS FUNiES I GOTTA MAKE A YOUTUBE POOP OF THIS ON MY VINE"
It's subtle, snarky, sometimes absurd interactions buried in between relatively normal convos. It recreates the feeling of chatting with a witty friend, who feels a tad smarter than you but genuinely wants to crack a joke. It creates a fun, snarky background radiation to the first half. Picking up all the puzzle pieces on the way is half of the fun.
>>79154490
I like that part of your chart where you apparently traveled back in time in the middle of act 5, act 1 only to enjoy it less the second time around. I don't even think your graph is invalid, I just think this timetravelshit is a legit scenario with this comic.

>By now, we've observed patterns for each character. Jade is the one who breaks many of them. We were to expect she would have another irritating modus. Instead she has all these fun and silly ones based on games. Because she is FUN AND SILLY. This helps broadcast that fact to readers. It's amazing how much I'm teaching you about characterization so far.
Im hungry Andrew

>>79156230
Poor Jade was designed to be unlikable. Her curse was that her unlikability even affected the author, thus becoming a secondary background character.

One of the problems of this comic is how it highlights Dave's issues but it completely ignores Jade's.

I just cracked the homestuck code

Thief of Light - Steals the spotlight and narrative
Heir of Breath - Fucks your mom and gf
Knight of Time - Unending lust to fuck any lifeform
Witch of Space - Fills some space up on the ending flash
Seer of Light - Doesn't see shit
Knight of Blood - Cuckolding, channels the energies of deities like Finn and Mordecai to guide his way into despair and love depression
Sylph of Space - Background Prop
Thief of Life - Makes you realize you wasted three years of your life for reading this shitty comic

How long is Act 6? I remember dropping off in Act 5 Act 2 because of how long it was, so now I'm watching the Let's Read.

>>79153945
obviously
stick it out a couple acts
meet the trolls

havw you read problem sleuth? read that first

>>79156778
Act 6 is literally longer than the entire rest of the comic

>>79156778
~3-4 thousand pages

>>79156660
Why did hussie even create meenah. she's literally done NOTHING except be grating and ghetto. If you removed her from the story, nothing would change

>>79156778
Acts 1-5 took Hussie around two and a half years. Everything since then has been act six. Homestuck is approaching seven years old.

>>79156840
To sell Pisces shirts.

>Karkat and Vriska like her!
>She makes funny fish puns!
>I don't need to write shit for Condy, Meenah does the job much better!

>>79156840
You can say that about almost every troll. The only important ones were on the lilypad. And Kanaya barely qualifies.

>>79156876

with all the hiatuses, he'd had to have plenty of editing time

imagine if he cut stuff out of the comic that was even worse

>>79156911
Kanaya created our universe, killed eridan, guided Jade through creating the Genesis Frog, and it's blatantly obvious that by the end of the comic she's going to repair reality itself

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So the person who made that "Lullaby for Gods" animation a few years ago has been appointed the animation director for Hiveswap recently.

http://guzusuru.tumblr.com/post/137663601156

>>79157212
how long did that one duke nukem game take to make?

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start at act 5 and the trolls so you can start shipping immediately

>>79157212
holy shit that's really cool

>>79157301
You know what?

I want GCTAVsprite to free Gamzee and actually be stupid enough to trust the cloun.

>>79157212
They say it happened a while ago (probably during the recent restructuring).

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>>79157338
>stupid enough
or remember that they were friends?
goddamn, the clouns an alright guy

>>79157346
they were already working for WP during the 3D development iirc, I guess they got promoted to animation director by virtue of all the other ones getting fired

>>79157292
20 years or so.

When is John gonna finally kill all the Troll and the race mixing humans?

>>79157705
He doesn't need to kill the humans, he can try to convert them back to the human side.

>>79157783
I wish I could create something like homestuck. Honestly, even though hussie fucked it up in the end, the dedication and thought that went into this is something I don't think I'll ever be able to replicate, and I don't think I'll ever have people feel about my stories the way I did about HS

>>79157863
homestuck wouldn't have been nearly as lauded if it wasn't for the music team, you shouldn't attribute all of the credit to hussie

>>79157863
>even though hussie fucked it up in the end
We still have a hundred or so pages and thirty minutes of animation to go, I'm personally refraining from any final judgement until then.

>>79157920
>It's just a little slimy, it's still good! It's still good!

T B H

I've never even figure out what the story is about

>>79157890
the music team did a fantastic job too. My dream is that if I ever get to make a game, movie or show I'd want Malcolm Brown doing the music, since I've listened to ever one of his songs on repeat several times except for pumpkin party

However, HS gave me high standards for in-universe mythology, time travel, plot twists, the mythologization of modern cultural elements, etc. It altered my life permanently, and even though it's no longer a big part of my life I'm still coasting off the direction it sent me in

>>79157949
Commit suicide.

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>>79157705
Soon.

>>79158035
I wish had a clever comeback but I think of any so can you just pretend I said something clever?

>>79157949
homestuck is in general about self-actualization and the fight against a deterministic universe. It's the idea that life gives us a path to follow and a role to play. How rejecting circumstance is a part of growing up but so is coming to accept your own nature and finding and fulfilling the person you are most meant to be.

>>79155869
True, a huge part of the fun was the fandom, as cringey as that sounds or was. But still read it Anon. No matter what anyone says, its still a good read.

>>79154852
Probably the trickster arc, it's a pretty popular meme to act like it was horrendously worse than it actually was.

>>79153945
It's alright. Drops off pretty much right after then end of Cascade, try reading up to that point and then pretend that's how it ended.

>>79158104
This sounds like a philosophy textbook more than an actual webcomic

Is Hussie the Hideaki Anno of webcomic creators?

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>>79156660
Correct me if i'm wrong, that sounds suspiciously like you're shitting on Kanaya. Which you wouldn't, because that would be HERESY!

>>79158231
nah, his fans just really want him to be

>>79158043
>Karkat being on the other side of the fence, even though he's explicitly the only troll John can actually stand

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>>79158292
>a lame weenie
>karkat
>now also in faggot flavor

>>79158292
That's because he's a walking parody of himself. His sheer existence is a joke.

>>79157940
I mean, along with other factors such as reading the comic serially vs. archivally, it has always been an experimental piece, by its nature there's going to be some really high points mixed in with some low ones. And even then it's all subjective, some of it due to the fact that all the connecting context hasn't been fully revealed yet.

Just finished Act 5. Please tell me hussnasty never comes back.

>>79158404
I think there are a couple of troll portraits done in hussnasty but you've passed all the really ugly ones

>>79158404
Don't worry, it won't. But other, more horrific artstyles will take its place.

>>79158434
Thank god
>>79158434
Post an example, I wanna be ready

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>>79158404
how can yo unot like hussnasty
hussie's actual style is incredible

>>79158404
Pretty savvy reader there, knowing what that's called when it's not named.

>>79158544
When I first encountered it I asked a buddy of mine about it. He gave me that name so I could properly direct my disgust.

>>79158509
It's a sin how little art there is of Rose with a pixie cut.

>>79158509
not him but the style is really hit and miss, what you just posted is probably the best one

>>79158359
>His sheer existence

What

>>79158443
FAST AND LOOSE

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>>79158509
I like it sometimes.

>>79159179
Silly anon, that's clearly HERO MODE

>>79159179
That's not hussnasty you idiot

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>>79159237
>>79159227
Okay.
Sorry.

Read up to the intermission, stop reading when you finish that, and go read Problem Sleuth instead.

>>79159385
>hussie will never put this much effort into a panel again

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>Liking that shitty art style

pic related

Anyone has the wrestling caliborn webm while [S] Enter plays in the background? Guess it was lost forever with moe.

Anyone remember when Hussie was too much of a pussy to call a single character, in a single instance, Caucasian? That was probably when the comic died for me. It was in SJW hands at that point.

>>79154084
>You'll be pulled in by the creative world building
>hurr durr everyone's got superpowers
>durr hurr a videogame controls the universe

>>79159615
He considered them aracial since early 2010.

>>79159615
>That was probably when the comic died for me
So you're just a huge pussy too
The comic died when we never got to see the kids finish their quests
the quests turned into a huge puzzle that lead to progress instead of having them focus on becoming stronger by facing pitfalls designed to make them grow as characters

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>>79159635
Except he only went back on the panel because of the backlash from teenage girls.

>>79159635
>Pink monkeys

>>79159658
I was referring to a reply from his Formspring.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#andrewhussie256956204

The "Caucasian" joke was a response to the people in the fandom arguing about their race.

>>79159625
You say that as if Video games and superpowered character comics aren't extremely popular

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?p=004979&s=6
this is what I meant when I said creative worldbuilding
way to summarize literally nothing, faggot

>>79159635

yes, to pander to today's socially conscious teens

>>79159598
Thought they moved on to Steven Universe already

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Why the fuck do the Trolls exist?

Because Rose is such a huge bitch that no one should deal with her bullshit?

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>>79159709
Yeah, despite him saying the kids were aracial, he went ahead and defined trickster jane as being Caucasian. Hussie made the solid, concrete decision to try and do that in all seriousness. The fandom FREAKED OUT and he changed it to Peachy like pic related. He pussied out, plain and simple. Pussying out of things is fine, but when you can't even submit a web comic page without cracking, you have issues.

>>79159762
Contrary to popular belief, Connie is not Jade.

>>79159777
I meant the artist

>>79159635
>all those instances of calling humans pink/white
nah, he just decided on that retroactively

>>79159777
Of course not, SU's writers actually like Connie

>>79159776
He changed the joke because of people taking it as an excuse to harass other people.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73817062/mspa_files/mspandrew.html#post40461873904

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>>79159812
>Trusting Andrew "Hiveswap's development is going well" Hussie

>>79159812
That wasn't happening nearly as much as people shitting on him for defining their races
I can think of two notable examples where people weren't just saying "you are CANONICALLY WRONG about race" to people who insisted on racebending the characters

>>79159812
Did you even read that? It says quite clearly that he didn't want to make people who thought of them differently to feel bad.

>
Admonishing those who wish to maintain non-white headcanons for characters. Or those disappointed to see Trickster Jane with skintone. Or anyone really. There was not any coherent ‘TAKE THAT’ going on here.

At least that was not the intent. I can see how it would appear that is what I wished to communicate, but it is not. If that is an interpretation that will commonly persist I’d rather just ditch the joke. Or at least tone it way down, which I did.

Pure fucking backpeddling. Only later on does he fluff it with some "But it's to stop HARASSMENT" so he doesn't sound like such a wimp in the face of teenage girls.

>>79159840
And you clearly haven't read the post below that.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73817062/mspa_files/mspandrew.html#post40486423180

>>79159840
Yes I have.

>But actually what motivates me more to revise it is noticing more than a few unsavory individuals using it as justification to harass POCs or anyone who, reasonably, wanted to voice their concerns. On reflection I’d rather not have my decisions serve as fodder for the arguments of such people. They don’t speak for me.

>>79159889
>POCs
Fuck, i forgot how far Hussie has fallen.

>>79159965
Are there any other abbreviations for non-whites?

>>79159987
Minorities.

>>79159840
And people still think he isn't going to do the stupidest shit for the ending

>>79160009
Minorities only works if you're talking about american non-whites
Other places in the world, non-whites may be the majority
also, minorities is harder to type than POC, why bother typing fourlegged backstructured sitting contraption when you can just say chair

>>79153945
It never gets good, neither does it ever suck donkey dick.

It's just the right level of undercooked steak.

>>79159987
why not just use non-whites

>>79160064
Literally nobody thinks Hussie is going to write a good ending
They just want it to be over

>>79160078
They mean the same thing

>>79160096
>Literally nobody thinks Hussie is going to write a good ending
They do
They're all like "Hussie is just pulling our legs with this Davekat stuff, he's gonna revert and destroy all the horrible stuff he did!"
Like haha, no.

>>79160146
I meant on 4chan
why would you care about the opinions of anyone who isn't on 4chan
just say on tumblr man, we don't need you here

>>79160146
This, tbqh fampai. Enjoy clicking on the next few pages of Dave and Karkat making out with each other while John fucks Roxy and Terezi in the background.

>>79160069
"People of color" is "colored people" written differently. That's fucking racist. It's like writing "person of the nigger persuasion" and saying it's okay.

>>79160172
I meant on 4chan too.

>>79160186
>Enjoy clicking on the next few pages of Dave and Karkat making out with each other while John fucks Roxy and Terezi in the background.

I will enjoy at least half of that scenario.

>>79160200
but I still think it's easier to say that non-white because it's an abbreviation

>unironic race discussion

JUST

>>79160215
I doubt that m8

>>79160268
fuck off
it's not about race, it's about it's context in the comic
if you want to talk about something else, how about you try having something interesting to say

>>79160272
It's true. Some people are in denial about Davekat being the unfortunate, hastily rushed endgame.

>>79159812

people find a lot of excuses to harass other people

it was just one of his last attempts to do things like he used to

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>>79159791
She's like to draw more Homestuck but the fandom has made her terrified of receiving death threats for drawing someone's nose too small. In the photoset that contained that DaveJade picture, she was actually afraid to include the JohnRoxy image because people might hate her for making them "white".

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>>79154490
>tfw dropped it right after Descend

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>>79160326
Disgusting

>>79160298
http://strawpoll.me/6595261/
spread this around the next homestuck threads
see what /co/ thinks in a week

>>79160326
How do we nuke the fandom?

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Let's compare this to her last calendar contribution.

>>79160146

i think he already has a set ending from before act 6

all the lead-up will probably be a dumb mess

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>>79160418

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>>79160418
I still think this should have been in the calendar instead.

>>79160449
I'm more upset at how much worse the art actually is.

>>79160418
You already see the Steven Shit influence lol

>>79160418
We already talked about it. What were the other calendar arts anyway?
>nobody knows because they didnt buy it

>>79160427
I'm confident he had an ending in mind since the early acts, but he didn't bother thinking of the middle part between the early acts and the absolute final panels

>>79157890
I think I can male peace with the fact that most of what I thought Homestuck was was really an illusion created by the music team and a few neat plot twists. That way the decline is less disappointing, since instead of getting worse Homestuck was always this bad but masked by a few strong elements.

>>79160418
Why did Hussie let the IP get so cücked?

>>79160467
>Jade swims like a dog

>>79160541
He doesn't care anymore.

>>79160539
It also has a lot to do with the fandom, even when hussie stopped taking suggestions officially he still used the fans as a soundboard for the rest of the comic (for better or worse)

plus, fans had, and I guess still have, a habit of filling in plotholes with elaborate theories, if it weren't for that the flaws in homestuck would feel a lot more severe

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I will be disappointed if the last update doesn't come with a sticky and music on it. Mods could celebrate one less obnoxious fanbase to take care of.

>>79160787
Yeah, the series ending sure stopped the Korra threads, right?

>>79160950
>every homestuck thread after the webcomic ends is about bitching at Davekat

K8LL M8

>>79160950
/hsg/ has much more history/drama on the board than korra and aang combined. Also there is difference about threads between and after a show airs.

>>79161023
Really not looking forward to this. Look around. This is how HS threads will look from now on.

>>79161174
It'll be even worse

>>79156351
But anon, jade is one of the only likeable characters in the damn comic, especially at this point in the story

>>79161288
Yeah really, Hussie only has his incompetence to blame for not developing her, despite her having a lot of issues that could have easily been worked with just as much as the Derse kids

>>79159830
lmao. real tho. he keeps saying that and we keep finding out months later development has been scraped....

>>79156778
the lets read died about 1/3 the way through act 6

>>79161586
So did the last of our trust in Hussie

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What's his name again?

>>79162297
Troll Jegus

>>79162297
Karcuck? Cuckat?

>>79162297
Couldn't Figure Out What To Do With Him So Made Him Gay McVantas

>>79153983
>Lack of effort

>shitty art

Fuck you.

>>79153945
Act 4 > Act 3 > Act 2 > Act 5 > Act 1 >>>>>>>HUGE FUCKING POWERGAP>>>>>>> Act 6

If you aren't at least somewhat interested by the time you get to [s] Jack: Ascend, then you might as well stop there. If you do like it, know that it does get worse later on. A lot worse.

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>>79153945
>used to be iffy about Homestuck because people would shit on it with a passion
>now everyone is like "haha its literally the same garbage as Undertale only scrubs read it"
>Undertale was fucking phenomenal so now I want to read Homestuck

Thanks.

>>79162817
Undertale is better than Homestuck because it ends and doesn't go so long the author not only runs out of ideas but gains radically different opinions and spends the last part of the comic ranting about social justice issues.

>>79162817
undertale isn't actaully a lot like homestuck despite people constantly pushing that comparison, homestuck is way, way wordier

>>79156973
With a sewing machine huehuehue prublom sloth. But for real, Sylph of Space has one main job by namesake

>>79162817
Undertale and Homestuck is a good comparison, mostly because the creator made so much music for and was inspired by Homestuck. Here's the main difference: Undertale was a thoroughly enjoyable couple of hours and Homestuck has been going on for seven years if you assume Hussie really will end on the date he has planned. A creative work stretched over that long of a period of time has all the problems you'd expect.

>>79153945
No. Read Problem Sleuth instead.

>>79162297
What's it say behind all those pictures? "DON'T FORGET YOU'RE HIME FOREVER"?

>>79160418
What the fuck is that unholy abomination?

>>79160418
>NO
>NO
>NO
>NO
My reaction exactly
The only good thing here is that Jade's legs are shaved.

>>79161586
Apparently the Openbound Let's Read is taking so long because they're matching lip flaps with VA lines. They're releasing all 3 parts of Openbound and then canning the project indefinitely.

Lip flaps killed the Let's Read. How fucking depressing is that.

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>>79163329
Was it really worth it though

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There will never be a game about SBURB.

Hussie announces that he's scrapping Hiveswap, breaking up with Rachel, re-retconning A6A6I5 by sinking Davekat and making the art not shit, and working full-time on completing Homestuck.

>What will you do?

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>>79160418
Stop... I command it....

>>79163642
>Vriska is still alive
It's shit.

>>79163498
I see unshaved hair as fat acceptance; I dont give funny looks to people with it but would not date either

>>79163613
Nigga not even the hand crystal OC hits me anymore.

>>79163642
>scrapping Hiveswap
At least make it AFTER the comic is done

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>>79163642
Wake up

>>79153945
No.

>>79162817
It... depends. Homestuck has some similar characters and humor to undertale, and both enjoy playing with video game conventions as well as the fourth wall and their mediums. On the flip side Undertale is concise, streamlined and well crafted, whereas homestuck is bloated, poorly put together, and runs out of steam about half way through. Still an enjoyable read, if only the for the early parts(if you can stomach the pacing) but I don't know that I'd recommend it for everyone. Read a bit. If you act 1's pacing doesn't turn you off immediately, then go a little further. If you're not hooked by act 3 or 4 then stop, because that's about the best it gets. Act 6 is a god damn train-wreck, but pieces of it are salvageable, so if you're very invested or just curious, then go all the way to the end.

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>>79163792
>mfw when I dropped the namefagging and yet I'm still here

Problem Sleuth was fantastic. Then Homestuck came along and fucked right off with the humor and quality.

>>79162297
Ol' King Cuck

>>79162817
They say the devil's water ain't so sweet, you don't have to drink right now

>>79154991
It's very good, and any person should read it before deciding if they want to try and get into homestuck. Some of the jokes carry over, and it starts out much like Homestuck.

John explaining Karkat what parallel universes are, while talking about scuttlebugs.

>>79153945
I just started the Let's Read about two weeks ago, I'm on act 6 now.
Summary: Its a wordy pile of shit that has gleaming jewels in it, but the jewels rely on stuff that happened during the shit so you can't just skip it.

I'm going to finish it only because I like Dave enough to do so, and a few others are aight too.

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>>79164168
>because I like Dave enough to do so
You poor soul

It gets so, SO much better after Act 1, I honestly perferred Act 4 to any other.

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>>79164168
What's your favorite Dave moment, anon?

>>79164168
Spoilers: Dave ends up extremely gay and any of the stuff you liked about him is gotten rid of and he actively doesn't like any more.

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>>79164237
He's hopelessly doomed forever, isn't he? ...the poor guy. But I think that's why I like him. I oddly find him really easy to relate to, despite being so much older than him..

>>79164348
Spoilers dont work this way anon

>>79164348
Way to say spoilers without bothering to use spoiler tags cuklord

>>79164371
He's worse than doomed. he got shafted, in more ways than one

>>79164285
I don't know, I like it all. The shades. The bad rap. The time travel deaths. Everything.

Honestly I'm just glad he laughs at the trolls at this point, because I hate most of them

I dont get what's going on in the last flash. Long haituses ruin this fucking comic. Is terezi just remembering a bunch of things that happened? Why are all the dead waking up and losing their pupils?

>>79164392
>>79164393
Too bad. Dave is gay with Karkat now, and also considers Bro abusive. He refuses to and hates time traveling or doing any sort of fighting anymore, and will go on a big rant about toxic masculinity.
Have fun.

>>79164429
Get ready to have your shit fucked up, fäm.

>>79164348
This could literally describe every character in Homestuck.

No wonder all the characters suck now.

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>>79164393
>using spoilers for their actual intention

>>79164459
>Is terezi just remembering a bunch of things that happened?
Yes
>Why are all the dead waking up and losing their pupils?
That's what happens when they realize they're dead.

>>79164463
Oh and his other counterpart Davesprite merged with Nepeta, and is also gay for Karkat.

>>79164502

So... to what end? like why is that even being shown?

The main issue is im never sure what's happening due to some sort of time travel or narrative fuckery or when it's just a character thinking/visualizing shit.

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Remember when Homestuck was funny?

>>79164563

Thanks doc

>>79164563

trigger warning for davekin

>>79164563
/b/ was never good

>>79164522
>>79164477
>>79164401
Shit, should I stop reading? Is it worth it? Is anything good coming up?

No-one deserves a happy ending except for john anymore. It's almost like when you have a cast of fucking 20 characters and flip between them like a fighting game character select screen it's hard to hold on to any emotional investment. Like I dont even remember who Rose is or what she's into or cares about anymore. She's still "there" but who the fuck cares.

John seems to be the only person getting any sort of catharsis and it's just bread and butter delicious Campbell arc stuff for him anyway. He better wake up from a dream that he fell asleep at his computer playing a shitty video game and go for a picnic with his dad or something.

>>79164629
They're simplifying things with a pessimistic outlook. Just try to ignore them and form your own opinion when you get to that part. Personally, I don't think it's worth as much butthurt as they're giving and they are heavily exaggerating the levels of gheyyy

>>79164670
>They're simplifying things with a pessimistic outlook

Not simplified. That's exactly what happens.

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>>79164600

>>79164637
Ur right anon. But I honestly think Hussie's got something better planned for us.

>>79164728
To simplify doesn't mean to make factually incorrect.

>>79164670

It's not that he's gay that ruined the character, it's that Dave falls into an introspective slump and never really gets out of it. He lacks basically any of the traits that made me like him as a character now and he just sits around and makes other people feel awkward or philosophize about his inadequacy and fears. Like, I get it, him and dirk, two sides of a coin, but the point that should make dave good is he overcomes all that shit, not succumbs to it, and it's WAY too late in the story to be pulling this sort of character arc shit if he's going to recover from it and become his old self tempered by new experiences.

>>79164629
Your first mistake was entering a Homestuck thread without being caught up. Read it and form your own opinion; maybe you won't be as bitter and jaded as many of us are.

>>79164751
Here's what he planned for us.

Davekat is endgame.
Karezi and other oldfag ships happen in the dreambubbles.

Everyone is happy and also no one gives a fucking shit about the story anymore.

>>79164763
I feel you, anon. Except for the never really gets out of it part simply because that's the point where we left off, he could spring back after getting that rant off his chest for all we know. Dave dropped his cool kid facade for once, and while it could have been handled better, I think it was bound to happen eventually. I'm with you and hoping that this rut doesn't continue forward though.

>>79164783
PM makes a cuk out of Jack with Jack

>>79164783
>Everyone is happy
Who the fuck is happy with that? Dreambubbles aren't just an awful consolation prize, there a way for him to not commit to anything, plus they're a horrible thing in the first place. Those people are doomed to remain in purgatory together, hooray.

>>79164845

The thing is he's dropped the facade before, too, and those were great character moments. This last, large extended bout is just a long-winded dime-show about how he hasnt really gotten over any of his shit.

>>79164783
But maybe just maybe Hussies pulls a Portal 2/Harry Potter ending that just makes everything better. Pls. pls...

>>79164629
dave's arc doesn't go the way you want, it stops being about all that time travel hero stuff and he becomes a soapbox for social issues that he really shouldnt give a shit about but does because he's hussies mouthpiece

>>79164888
Dave was never good at getting over anything anyway

>>79164878
A purgatory where you an fuck ghosts of yourself

>>79164561
Because that Terezi is from a timeline where none of that happened. She used her mind powers to "remember" what happened in the other timeline(s).

>>79164980
yeah, and where you never grow, never learn, and are stuck there for literal billions of years. The dreambubbles are meant to be a complete and total hell for players who failed. Not a good prize.

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>>79153945
>Tfw Davejade will never get the resolution it deserves
now that davesprite merged with nepeta its going to get shafted even further isnt it /co/
They didnt even have to be endgame, just fucking give them some closure instead of ignoring literally all their development together just to make dave super gay.

>>79164931
It hasn't been about time travel hero stuff for four years and he's not going on a rant about society as much as he's wondering how he shaped his self-identity based on the Earth society he grew up in. He's lived with trolls for four years while Earth is dead, so he's questioning shit

>>79164959

That may be true, but it doesn't make for a satisfying read. He never needed to "get over" his shit per se, but learn how to balance whatever was holding him up with being a helpful friend. And he's basically showing no signs of improving. Whatever, it's not my comic or anything, I just think it's shitty. Dave had enough little core/deep moments to justify his memery and massive personality/ego, so to strip all that away kind of just leaves an unfulfilling character to read about, especially when he was one of the heroic leads.

>>79165053
It was never meant to be a prize, nor a hell. It's a purgatory made by Horrorterrors to try and preserve memories of failed players. They cannot grow, physically, but as pre-rec Vriska's shown, they can still change as people since they have all the time in the void to do what ever.

>>79165071
No he is going on a rant about society, that's exactly what that wall of text is.

>>79165068
Jade will wake up and rape him, don't worry.

>>79165068
Pretty much. There's a slim chance Hussie sinks Davekat and goes with the decision that actually makes sense, but I feel like he hates Jade now.

>>79165053
>never learn
But anon.

We were shown how Tavros got shit done and Vriska becoming a huge crybaby cuck.

I haven't seen so much whining about characters not acting the way people wanted, and people justifying the lack of fulfillment/character growth is a form of character growth in itself since Equius didn't refused to man up and just let Gamzee kill him because highblood.

>>79165034

OH. Fair enough that's more what I wanted to know.

>>79165173
>People defended Gamzee
>People were okay that Karkat moirail'd a murderer and gave reasons like "muh extinct troll race we need to hold together"
>Gamzee murders Karkat in the GO flash

Every fucking time. Feels good man.

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>>79165068
stupid anon, REAL people don't have resolution, or closure, or satisfying endings

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>>79163792
>mfw finally forgotten

phew

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>>79165141
>Jade will never rape the gay out of dave and karkat
>Jade will never make them both her love slaves
>Jade will never wear a skimpy dominatrix version of her god tier outfit while she does it

It hurts to live anon

>>79165298
>Jade giving a shit about Karkat
LOL

>>79165298
To be fair, Karkat was gay on John for a little bit.
God, I remember when Johnkat was the worst we had to worry about.

>>79165298
>Jade will never be relevant again

>>79165365
I never minded johnkat because I knew hussie would never make it actually canon, anything hinting at it was mostly played for laughs
If only I knew he had much, much worse in store for us down the line..

>>79165131
Again, no, it's a rant about himself. Society factors in but Dave isn't ranting about a dead Earth society.

DAVE: yeah i know
DAVE: it frankly IS funny to say how gay something is sometimes and lets face it sometimes someone or something is just flat out REALLY fucking gay and theres no two ways about it
DAVE: its more like that through the preponderance of all that jokey shit is an underlying implication that its all lame stuff for pansies but not like us no were not lame and ha ha thats the joke
DAVE: which thrives on this like double-buried implication that the REAL COOL SHIT is founded on this absurd wanky ideal about masculinity which if you think about it is 1. dumb as fuck 2. the male adulation of masculinity to that extent TO BE HONEST is pretty fucking gay unto itself and 3. was always some totally impossible shit for us to live up to anyway
DAVE: i think all thats mixed up with the same phony ideals about heroism
DAVE: like living up to the storybook idea of what a hero to me feels almost interchangeable with living up to societys snapshot of what a hard manly dude should be
DAVE: i stopped pretending i could ever live up to either thing a while ago
DAVE: and mainly have spent time looking back on the sheer magnitude of all my "joking around"
DAVE: i used to lambaste fuckers left and right grinding them into the pavement over how gay they probably were and how much they were quite possibly jonesin to kiss some dudes or such
DAVE: and i dont really feel bad about it in the sense that it was jerky or like "insensitive" necessarily even though i guess it maybe was
DAVE: more that i feel like it was probably transparent
DAVE: a massive front of outrageous snark to disguise a lot of insecurity
DAVE: like a fuckin coverup
DAVE: as long as i kept clowning hard about it i didnt actually have to think about it or face my actual beliefs

>>79165491
Don't make me read this again.

>>79165491
so daves out of the closet because hes a troll sjw now?

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>>79165490
I miss the days when the worst we had to worry about was Johnkat and 4chords
And then it got so much worse
so much fucking worse

>>79165524
You're so butthurt about it I doubt you even read it a first time, crybaby.

>>79165539
Dave came out of the closet, because he wants to fuck Karkat badly and ditched Jade into the trash.

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Homestuck: The webcomic that ran so long, everyone has nostalgia goggles for Acts 4/5

2009: Dave uses the word "faggoty".

2015: Dave is faggoty.

>>79165491

the whole conversation is an anachronism. it's nonsensical to have your character complain about masculinity when they're trying to save reality

when did dave insult someone for their "gayness." are we supposed to look back at the tavros conversation solemnly

>>79165615
Yes, we know. Even Dave says as much.

>>79165640
this desu
the first thing dave says to john being that is so fucking stupid

>>79165640
saving reality doesn't matter anymore bro, he just wants to relax and be gay. Saving things is a masculine construct
3 year taking dick has made Dave complacent with the current situation

>>79165733
>Implying Dave was the one taking dick

>>79165640
There's nothing to be solemnly about, and Dave never insulted anyone for their gayness. He just made fun of people via implying they were gay. The context of their complaint about stereotypical masculinity was about his own outlook, not society at large because there is no Earth, there is no society besides other players, and there is hardly a reality to save. The only reason he brought it up is because John basically asked when Dave became gay.

I'm not trying to defend Hussie's writing or say this is my ship or any shit like that (I honestly wouldn't miss this whole part of the plot either), but just that Dave didn't launch into a rant about society for its own sake out of no where.

>>79165760
Dave's a bottom bitch, even moreso than Karkat now

>>79165786
>because John basically asked when Dave became gay.
John only asked that when Dave was halfway through his spiel

>>79153945
>So I just started reading Homestuck. Does it get any better?
Yes, it also changes focus several times, so it's easy for it to end up not matching your tastes

You know, if you view Dave as Hussie's self insert and few Karkat as his waifu, it kind of makes sense why this all happened.

>>79165565
I skimmed it the first time t.b.h. (to be honest)

>>79165733
>>79165760
>>79165860
I don't think either of them would top. Maybe they used The Mayor.

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>>79165922
His name is Wayward Vagabond you pleb, and he is as straight as an arrow and holding out for his mail lady

>>79165900
You know what makes even more sense?

Remember that Problem Sleuth reader command "Hussie: Get sexually attracted to your readers"?

Hussie = Dave
Karkat = Readers

I blew your fucking minds.

>>79165900
But neither one of them is a horse or fat Vriska.

>>79165955
What? VW died back at the end of Act 5 when Evil Dog Man gutted him.

>>79164742
For years i tought the original image was young moot until discover the xbox ad yesterday.

You know how we fix Homestuck? Every Homestuck character fucking Vriska and trying to impregnate her.

>>79166669
Fix Homestuck by rewriting the entirety of this last act.

>>79165971
>Karkat = Readers
But I'm not an angsty gay manlet

>>79166669
It's already dead. There is no recovery.

Let's hope Homestuck 2 is better.

>>79166669
John retcons the timeskips away. Everyone is 13 and there is less awful romance drama.

>>79166768
You already have 2 of the qualities for posting here :^)

>>79166688
>>79166887
Okay. Which us is going to do it? We all know this isn't going to happen in canon.

>>79167046
I can't draw, write, animate, or make music. So I guess I'll be the idea guy. Anyone want to help?

>>79153945
I genuinely enjoyed it...until I didn't
I think John's dad had just been killed around the time I just stopped giving a shit.
There was no DROPPED moment, I just stopped feeling compelled to continue.

>>79159716
If something is popular then by definition it can not be creative, then it would be derivative.

>>79166688
>>79167046
>>79167122
What do you anons think about some random tumblrinas rewriting the last act:

http://mspfanventures.com/?s=12003

>>79167046
Im only in if the drama will be as enjoyable we have now

>>79167343
>self-inserts

this is going to be a wild ride

>>79167343
>http://mspfanventures.com/?s=12003

i dont have high hopes but whatever

>>79157212
Huh, I loved that little animation, good news in my book

>>79157212
so hussie is just running around hiring fanartists and then disposing of them?

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>>79167343
Its weird how most fanadventures dont match the MSPA style, like if only hussie had the way to do it.

>>79168118
Hussie's style is surprisingly hard to emulate

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>>79168118
The MSPA artstyle is simple looking, but Hussie had actual art talent.

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every
fucking
time

>>79168541
>hussie: i needed some cheap way to justify davekat

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>>79168541
Is this what turned Dave and Karkat gay? Lack of Terezi licks?

>>79168685
When you've not got a puss to pound for three years you go a little nuts

>>79168634
>i needed a cheap way to kill off karezi

>>79168541
I would argue that Terezi does, in fact, need him. Who's going to satisfy her red fetish?

>>79168685
The only other girls around were lesbians and Vriska. Dave pretty much went prison gay.

>>79168734
>Terezi no longer interested
>Sister
>Lesbian vampire
>Vriska

Hm.

>>79168851
I'd bang Vriska though.

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>>79168900
Your funeral

>>79168900
of course you would, everyone would
anyone who says different is a fuckin liar

>>79168831
Don't be silly, that part of her was retconned out

>>79168541
I hate how this felt like an implication that people shipped Karezi because they "had" to. Some goes for the characters in the comic. Like did Terezi really think she /had/ to be with him? Sure, she was crushing on him hardcore at that moment, but that didn't fuck her up. Killing Vriska did. She didn't have some complex where she felt like she /needed/ anyone (except Vriska). It should've said, "you don't need her" really if anything (even though i'd argue they are a great pair, Terezi doesn't need anyone to be honest).

It's like Hussie wanted to be progressive and show that Terezi is a strong independent women who needs no man. And like, duh. She has always been one of the strongest fucking characters. That was always obvious, and it was never like she was overshadowed by the guys or reduced to a prize (as much as we joke about the Terezibowl here). So Karezi and arguable Daverezi didn't need to be shut down in such a way that's like the author saying, "Fuck you for shipping them."

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>>79168877
>Vriska
>Implying that's a a bad thing
Like anon said, anyone that says they wouldn't bang Vriska is a god damn liar

>>79169001
hussie was just looking for ways to bring his "this will be gayer than the end of Legend of Korra" tweet to fruition and he did it in the most hamfisted way possible and pretended it was clever because lol self-referential retcon

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>>79169001
It hasn't felt good to be a Daverezi shipper in years ;_;

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>>79169001
>continuing rant
"You don't need him" is a trope that's used to pull someone away from a relationship that they are trapped in or where they are whipped or abused or at least /something/ substantially negative. This was like shooting a butterfly with an elephant gun. Overkill.

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>>79169087
Dave and Karkat wouldn't.

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>>79169001
I bet I am the only one who never liked Karezi.

>>79169133
well to be fair they're both gay

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>>79169133
Karkat would blackrom her.

Or Vriska has some kind of shitty wish-fulfillment for implying that.

>>79169169
I liked Jadekat. And Davejade. Basically what I'm saying is Terezi a shit.

>>79169001
You just understood by now that Hussie is doing his damnedest to try and make people stop shipping that stuff while ignoring it and shoving gay shit around in the most hamfisted way possible?

>>79169001
>>79169117
>continuing again
And worse, it implies that GO!Terezi suddenly thought her life would be better without him? Where the fuck did that come from? That doesn't make any sense.

>>79153945
you don;t live here anymore.
go back home.
>>>/trash/

>>79169229
Can Davejadekat save Davekat?

>>79168183
no, it's more like Hussie's style is a good artist drawing like shit as a opposed to his fans, which are bad artists trying to draw that style.

>>79169301
you forgot the part where that writing on terezi's wall also somehow completely nullified karkat's obsession with her

>>79169333
Absolutely
It isn't gay in a threeway!

>>79169317
this is not hsg, people are actually talking about homestuck here

>>79169333
No.
threeway bullshit never saves anything.

>>79169317
You're thinking of /sug/, friend.

>>79169333
>>79169356
>OT3 shit
>it's always Dave/Karkat/*random slut*

LOL

>>79165261
>stupid anon, REAL people don't have resolution, or closure, or satisfying endings
>YFW Hussie is leaving everything open as a fallback option
>YFW the moment he needs money, Hussie announces a Homestuck sequel

>>79169343
Yet somehow all lead up the same events prior to John punching Vriska

>>79169317
hsg tried to have a /trash/ general, it died after 10 posts.

>>79154490
Needs a spike for Intermission 2

>>79169419
Jade isn't a random slut!

>>79169419
what the fuck else could it be, Rose/Kanaya/John?

>>79169475
She's a specific slut!

>>79169419
It's them secretly liking Davekat but not wanting to admit it, so they think sticking a girl in there will make it more acceptable.

>>79169508
It doesn't even make sense when Dave is monogamous, unless Hussie's decided to throw that out the window too.

>>79168968
Worth it

>>79169133
Karkat would either have no say in the matter or dive head first into blackrom
Vriska would go after Dave just to cuck the crab

>>79167343
>http://mspfanventures.com/?s=12003

So far so good. I really hope these authors let davesprite go god tier though

>>79169550
>Vriska would go after Dave just to cuck the crab
why, she and Karkat have always been on good terms despite competing for Terezi's attention

>>79154490
this is pretty accurate.

last chance of hope I had was Caliborn's masterpiece, and the Lil' Cal recap.

It honestly made for a good ending to just quit it right there. We've seen the rise and fall of a tyrant who always wins, and the entire story of the rubes he manipulated, mostly by accident, into doing it. Its a message of intevitability, one of the main themes of the work, and for the most part, ties everything together. Sure, its not a necessarily "happy" note, at least form the kids point of view, but if you look at LE's implied job as grim reaper of ghosts, its the ending of balance, of keeping rampant creation in check and the cycle going. Failed universes needed a predator to thin them out. He pursued his dreams, worked hard, begrudgingly learned the values of teamwork, and became that predator, despite his mental handicaps.
I call that a pretty satisfying conclusion.

>>79169534
You see anon, he once thought he was monogamous, but on the meteor he's had a lot to think. It's all fun and games, joking about banging all the sluts, but knowing that a real man dripping with machismo commits himself to one person; but what if that was just a fallacy of society and that all this monogamy was just a shield for Dave's insecurity?

>>79169105
I feel you

>>79169577
>why, she and Karkat have always been on good terms despite competing for Terezi's attention
It's Karkat's fetish
Why do you think it happens to him so much?

>>79156779
this.