Marvel's all like "Magic might not be able to work with the cinematic universe we're building" and DC is just like "This guy's tattoos can rip apart trains"
Doctor Stange is just as much 'mind over mattle', 'focus determines reality' and 'eastern mysticism.'
This is balls to the wall fantasy magic; forgotten realms level shit, with some Lovecraft level eldritch sprinkled on top.
Bait. It takes two minutes of reading, and the most basic grasp of Tolkien lore, to understand that in the Third Age magic and fantastical stuff has decreased. The 'Wizards' are basically Angelic beings who don't have full access to their abilities.
Marvel so far has played the 'magic is just science beyond our ken' card thus far. They will likely step into proper magic with Strange, but DC has never hesitated on having the full on low-fantasy swords and sorcery levels of magic.
>but DC has never hesitated on having the full on low-fantasy swords and sorcery levels of magic.
Except for in the Dark Knight trilogy, the most celebrated DC movies all time, where no is even allowed to have powers.
This is a dumb argument. Just console warring bullshit that doesn't even hold any anchor in reality.
>They will likely step into proper magic with Strange
I hope not. Of course I have a bigger grudge against the concept of magic than a boner for Dr. Strange so other anons will likely disagree.
Marvel movies always had magic through the concept of "it's science beyond our understanding, and scientific minds will try to explain it through scientific means".
What really triggers /co/ is the Asgardians being extradimenstional cosmic beings once worshipped as gods rather than outright gods.
Acording to producers, Strange magic is quantum physics.
Someone should do a post EXACTLY like that one of Marvel vs Dc...you know which one... and post it ironically on Tumblr, and see if people there take the bait.
If you couldn't understand magic then you couldn't use it for anything. Dr. Strange can cast a spell and have a good idea of what's going to happen because he's studied magic and is applying his knowledge of it.
>MAGIC AIN'T A SCIENCE CAUSE SCIENCE IS EMPIRICAL METHOD TO UNDERSTANDING AND YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND MAGIC.
That's literally what wizards do. That's what Doctor Strange does, Wanda, Clea, etc.
If you mean dummies that use magical artifacts such as the Hood, Juggernaut, or Nico then that's another thing.
>Acording to producers, Strange magic is quantum physics.
As an anon with a physics degree, I facepalm at this.
That said, it's still better than "lol, u cant understand muh magic so dont event rye".
To think they said this movie was closer to the dark knight than Avengers
This is nothing like a nolan movie
It looks fun
Well played DC
>MCU thor is an insult towards vikings
No problem man, I got your back.
How is it typical? It's a comic-book adaptation. maybe you can have slightly "important" detail on how a character utilizes magic or what's the type of magic in the specific universe, but to drag on this silly debate of Science and Magic movie after movie is just retarded.
Why can't it simply just be magic?
A guy dressing up in a fursuit and defeating an entire city full of armed criminals with ninja skills might as well be magic, it's absurd enough. Also, didn't they make him a god recently?
The Lazarus Pits are now science fiction thanks to Snyder saying they contain the same substance from the meteorite that made Vandal Savage immortal.
Grundy is magic, Clayface is science fiction.
The only time it comes up in a Marvel movie is when a scientist character is trying to wrap their heads around magical norse gods existing and coming to terms with it. There's nothing intricate about it.
If Thor is stated to be an outright god, that automatically eliminates anything non-Asgardian as possibly being a threat to him, since gods are fundamentally immortal (if not invincible). Also, Marvel risks backlash from their non-Norse religious audience.
My favorite part about that though is that Thor and the Asgardians not being gods also eliminates Loki's right to claim rulership over any other realm under the pretense of "we're gods, we know better".
I get that, but the problem is that Marvel thus far has treated it as being science that still looks like our science.
You can look at magic scientifically and still portray it as being completely different to any of our current technology.
I'm optimistic about Doctor Strange, though; I think a lot of people misinterpreted the quantum physics statement.
>I get that, but the problem is that Marvel thus far has treated it as being science that still looks like our science.
Yeah, infinity gems are like lithium batteries, Mjolnir is like a tomogatchi, Loki clearly just swallowed a projector.
The villian is
apokoliptian in origin
and is a reason shit is going down.
No, magic doesn't have specific particles or physical indicators
Magical adeptness is naturally imbued and cannot be quantified, two people using the exact same spell can have different results
You are retarded for needing everything to have a definite explanation even if it's just "we don't understand it yet"
>Rituals ain't equations
No, they're formulas.
>magic ain't a science
Science is just a study of something, no one actually calls themself a 'scientist'. They call themselves molecular biologists, organic chemists, etc.
If they went as hard as possible out of their way, they wouldn't blatantly and repeatedly state that he's a god.
Seems to me like you're too wrapped up in the memes and haven't watched the movies. But I guess that's memesters for you.
>including the scientist characters they repeatedly show have a vast knowledge of this interdimensional shit
As scientists in Marvel always have, they had\have absolutely no knowledge of Asgardians as a concept certainly before and even after Thor's appearance. The infamous 'what your ancestors called magic you call science' line was literally in reference to opening dimensional rifts and traveling between realms and how close that Jane's generation was coming to discovering it.
You're just making shit up.
>with some Lovecraft level eldritch sprinkled on top.
>two people using the exact same spell can have different results
Because the caster is a variable.
A caster knows what will happen when he casts a spell because the spell is repeatable and has observable effects.
Flying isn't magic because some animals can do it and others can't.