"This triggers the /co/" Edition
>60% of human DNA is the same as a banana
>there's a difference
You tell 'em, girlfriend!
As useful as Google is, sometimes it's hard to find actual scientific work, especially when it comes to biological science and evolution. I did find this however:
And captcha had bananas in it.
The smiley cup is obviously a false lead. Luisa is a pale green and the animal cage is knocked over. So if I had to theorize, it might've happened like so;
Harley came back in civies to talk to Luisa, they have a heated arguement, then the mutated rodent(s) attack and kill her, Harley freaks out and drops her smiley cup, and runs away.
There's also a chunk of your DNA consisting of diseases which infected your ancestors that your immune system will have no defense against (as they are technically part of you) should they ever be turned "on."
Overall this was pretty boring, but it has potential. It didn't lean too hard in the "innocent earth mother who would never hurt a fly if she wasn't so oppressed by the patriarchy" direction, but this Ivy seems a little bland so far.
I like it! Looking forward to how this little murder mystery plays out... Albertus Grimley >>79151517 is clearly a red herring, my money's on the Anonymous Donor >>79151533
being the culprit...
Oh we're not talking about capus sexism "hysteria" tho but how some people's suspension of disbelief can't handle the idea of a old sexist professor.>>79151517
Remember this thread is for discussion of the comic.
Arkham got blown up during Batman Eternal, then Wayne Manor became Arkham Manor for a little while, and only recently did Bruce get the house back. I don't think they have rebuilt something like Arkham yet. Ivy and Harley have been out of prison longer than that I think.
Not according to the writer she isn't.
I can understand your denial, but this is a lost cause.
Hopefully this series bombs and she can go back to being a villain and maybe DC will try pushing Batwoman or Cass or Harper Row or anyone else far more suited for what this writer wants Ivy to be.
Now you're asking for getting mad. God your types are so funny
The types who enjoy the character as she is written 90% of the time?
In six months this shit series will be over and you'll be back to non stop whining and bitching about how your waifu did nothing wrong.
Yeah, because every character has to be 1-dimensional. Dude the writer is now giving Ivy the characterisation the Ivy needed, I don't see anything wrong with that, she can keep being evil and a villain and all that but sometime a good justification is needed, not everything has to be just because. Some say that this is pandering to the wrong audience or whatnot but I don't see it that way
And yet again, shitty coloring ruins great pencils
I don't know if I'd say she's bland, but kind of generic? That hardass sarcastic personality. I hope they do a bit more with her.
He could at least use the actual movie synergy stuff that's present though instead of pretending like it's here
>villains can't be good, interesting characters
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind
It's a gay solo, how hard could it have been to shitpost about DC trying to indoctrinate children into a gay lifestyle or not pandering to straight men or something
Just curious, what is Ivy's relationship with Swamp Thing and the Parliament of Trees like?
Is she a sanctioned actor on their part or do they see her as an usurper, someone enslaving the Green?
That's not a villain. In her narration she talks about her past, i.e. not her present, and getting a second chance.
Ivy was a Swamp Thing fangirl in Justice League United and he didn't seem to care too much about her being a criminal.
I wouldn't take the writers twitter word too seriously. They always talk big about this character and how is gonna change and blah blah blah when in true is not all of what they tweet is gonna make it into the book. They just tweet that to generate hype
It's not really a "how" question since it's not really a costume that requires an origin story. Could just be that she wore it once for an off-screen adventure and threw it in a closet afterward.
Ivy literally has maybe four other people that could show up and it wouldn't be forced. Batman, Catwoman, Swamp Thing, and maybe Batgirl if they wanted to continue what Simone started.
Harley is her best friend so why wouldn't she show up?
She wears a gajillion different red and black outfits.
Bro, I had no idea you would be so right.
This is Tumblr-tier sexism.
Winston's role at the lab is no way clarified, or even explained. He's just.. There, and notably inept given his lack of anything beyond "ew, a penis with a beard attached to it."
This guy is dead by the way. He was struck with enough force to knock out a tooth. I dunno about you, but teeth aren't just held in with good intentions and a little luck.
The second man Harley has struck is dead.
The man that Ivy put through the ceiling head first is either dead, or paralyzed. Ceilings aren't made of paper, and faery dust.
These men have been Bill Cosby'ed.
She's naked now.. Because reasons.
Suddenly.. A MOTORCYCLE!
Does everyone in Gotham ride a motorcycle? Is that a thing that I missed? Is Gotham the Motorcycle capital of North America? Does Ivy grow Motorcycles?
She walked home, and her motorcycle was just there, hanging out in the street the next morning..
Unless she stole this motorcycle.
1 1st degree Homicide - Check
2 Counts of aiding and abetting Homicide in the first degree. - Check
2 Counts of Date Rape Roofie Drug crime stuff, I dunno the legal term but you can't just drug people because it's fun. She's Cosby'ed these guys. Not funny.
1 Possible Count of Grand Theft Auto.
Well that makes a damn good hero, right?
Not to mention Ivy's only points of agitation with Harley were her interrupting Ivy's girl-scientist time with Luisa, and Harley's interest in CIS males.
There were exactly, ZERO other displayed reasons for their argument.
Ivy is a TurboLesbo, she not only hates men, but she rejects basic interaction with women who associate with men.
This is Lifetime Movie Network tier story telling/plot construction, smooshed through a Tumblr speech filter brainstorming session.
If you want to make Ivy into a hero, don't put her in a position of MURDERING people.
I hate most of my students because they're little shits, doesn't mean I have any power to stop the little shits from studying or actually stop them from pursuing workshops or internships despite it meaning I have to see them for more hours. It's called being professional but then again, theres faggots like this >>79156328 go pursue a college education with the goal of bothering the personnel until they get anything that smells in the slightliest of being discriminated against so they can throw a performance in social media and trash journalism outlets.
>Tumblr thought police
And when they sexually harass lady people, we MURDER them!
Good times. Goooood times~
Is it so hard to tell a story where a woman can be justified in being turned off to men, without making every male character a sexist parody of reality?
No, because quite obviously, as you've demonstrated, it's not clear enough unless male characters are depicted as total and demeaning caricatures, born out of blatantly obvious misandry based their actions, dialogue, appearance and representation in fukk yeh gurrrl powrr comics and media such as the one posted here.
Just because you want to believe that men are cartoonish rape monsters, does not mean that men are, in any way, cartoonish rape monsters.
Please don't breed, it would be a disservice to any and all life in the Universe.
Well I can add that to my list of things that I hate about the Nu52.
If Ivy's an environmentalist, a motorcycle is probably the worst alternative to a car given that even the most fuel efficient of motorcycles still belches it out more green house gases than a modern medium duty pick-up truck.
The writer obviously couldn't be bothered to do research beyond fancy plant words, and a trip to Google Earth to verify that the cradle of life is near a diamond mine?
I don't. Most people in Western culture do not, as society teaches us that nudity is a product of intimacy and sexual behavior, and thus taboo.
The majority of modern Western women don't leave the bathroom after a shower without a towel wrapped around them, or a bath robe.
Are you familiar with the creature called woman, kinda seems like you PornHub'ed a little too hard and hurt yourself.
>Maybe it is solar powered.
Why would it have a gas tank, and a heat shield used to keep the rider's leg from touching the engine block?
I can't say that the diagonal chrome piece on the back is an exhaust, but given the shape it's a sound guess.
If it was electric, it would be waste of torque and electricity to spread the rotation force generated by the electric engine over a chain to the rear wheel. Mounting the engine further back, and mounting the wheel to a drive shaft directly out of the engine would provide better distribution of energy, and greatly assist in slowing down given that when the brake is applied the electric motor would begin to apply opposing force that steadily increased as the rider pressed harder on the breaks, there by conserving more energy, and cutting down on the wear and tear of the break pads.
It's a gasoline powered, chain driven, crotch rocket.
The writer is completely missing the point, and motivation of Poison Ivy if she can't be bothered to give her a wildly science fiction-ie electric motorcycle. It's a fucking comic book, and she can't be bothered to make a note in the script to the artist that the motorcycle needs to be electric.
It's truly amazing how ham fisted story telling has become.
Never heard of Poison Ivy before? lol
Do you complain when Batman beats up criminals in a criminal bar hangout?
Also, Google " Female names on scientific papers"
Also, fuck off for not thinking a Poison Ivy comic is going to be about Poison Ivy..
At no point did I mention legality.
>and is in fact pretty great.
The only reason you're making the statement that it's pleasing, is that at some point in your life you made the choice to find comfort in it.
No one who has grown up in civilized cultures wipes their ass, and thinks 'Damn toilet paper is in fact pretty great.' Because it's one of those things that just exists in a developed world.
Let me dumb it down for you, 'cause I feel like that may have flown right over your head.
You're excited about being naked, because someone has told you that being naked was wrong.
Likewise, Ivy just coming home and stripping down is pretty weird.
I mean, when you come home from murdering a biker, and watching your bestie murder to men by beating them to death with a cartoon sized mallet, is your first instinct to just get naked?
"Went to the store, made it home alive, time to get naked."
This is the kind of shit that Feminists have a point on, being naked for the sake of sexual imagery is just demeaning.
You watch porn for porn, you read comics for.. Porn?
I feel like it flew right over your head as well.
Ivy is a plant human hybrid, so maybe she feels that it's a lot more natural to be naked.
And she started to strip because she was about to go to sleep, and maybe she prefers sleeping naked because again it's rather comfortable and the whole plant human hybrid thing.
>I mean, when you come home from murdering a biker, and watching your bestie murder to men by beating them to death with a cartoon sized mallet, is your first instinct to just get naked?
I don't know because I'm never going to be in a situation like that.
Does Batman kill those guys, like.. Brutally murders them? Ivy straight up crushed a man's spinal column, and Harley killed those two men with blunt force trauma to the head.
This isn't girl power, this is fucking murder.
I get it, you're a dumb estrogen factory that doesn't see harm in murdering men because they're there and available to be murdered.
But I'm sure you're dick-riding the "violence against women" wagon when FeministFrequency is bitching about hookers in GTA, and not the literal mountains of men killed in video games.
Does it bother you that in Iron Man 2, Black Widow beat the shit out security guards?
These guys were in no way working for Whiplash. She broke into a building containing millions of dollars in military technology, and beat the fuck out of regular 9 to 5 security guards who were doing their damn job trying to protect these incredibly lethal weapons from being stolen.
Then eat shit and die.
Vaginas are not licenses to kill or maim.
>Also, Google " Female names on scientific papers"
If it was that kind of sexism, there'd be no problem, but it isn't, it's 20th century "get out of muh clubhouse" sexism.
>Also, fuck off for not thinking a Poison Ivy comic is going to be about Poison Ivy..
Poison Ivy has never been about women's issues.
Huh Welwitschia is a real plant, thought they made it up.
I guess she does? Clearly her biology is different and we did see early on that even a desert sun doesn't phase her.
>Do you complain when Batman beats up criminals in a criminal bar hangout?
The bikers in this issue weren't shown to be criminals in any meaningful ways though. Just kinda dickish.
If you're living in Nazi Germany, is it considered obsession to be attentive to a sizable group of people calling for the death of your way of life?
I didn't think so.
I care, because Tumblr is invading Western Culture, not because they're right, but because they have money, and are being catered to because of the might that a mob mentality has as far as boycotts and menstrual blood coated marches are concerned.
Tumblr is even invading here, and this poor excuse for a comic is a prime example of the agonizingly terrible influences it has on plot construction, and character motivation.
I know this is hard, special snowflake, but Tumblr is the smelly, saggy tit, rainbow colored hair freakshow you avoid eye contact with when you see it screaming on the street corner about "rape culture" and "the patriarchy".
...So, because you work in a building where your boss has broken an attempted murderer out of jail, kept him a super-duper secret from everyone, including you.. You deserve to be beaten mercilessly, and in one poor guy's instance, hanged by your neck.
Further still, the guys that accompany Justin Hammer in the scenes where he is striking a deal, checking up on the deal, and taking the bird away, are all wearing a business suits and ties, not the security guard uniforms that the guys Black Widow assaults are wearing.
So.. How are they villains again? Because their boss did evil stuff that they literally had no idea about? Or, if you're working anywhere, at any time, and happen to be male, you should be prepared to be beaten within an inch of your life by a top heavy, leather clad, bitch.. Because reasons!
Does it hurt being that retarded?
>"Seeing this guy is just amusing"
>I have no excuse for the murder of innocent people relayed to me from a point of view that the murderer is the hero, and the innocent are the bad guys.. So I'm going to mock you, where as if a man broke into a building, and killed a series of women defending that building believing that the intruder was a criminal, I would be incredibly disturbed, uncomfortable, and triggered with this portrayal.
>It's only sexism when men do it.
Again, does it hurt to be that retarded?
I'm trying to alert you to the fact that murdering people isn't a heroic act. These bikers, did not deserve to die.
Did they deserve a beating? No. They deserved to be alerted to the error of their ways.
If you're going to go so far out of your way to make a statement about sexism, the resolution shouldn't be murder. It defeats the purpose of raising awareness if you present the punishment for VERBAL HARASSMENT as violent death because that only forces the issue into the shadows instead of educating impressionable minds.
The writer clearly wanted to make a statement, this wasn't a "You know what would be cool, if Ivy and Harley straight up murdered people." brainstorming session.
We bitch and complain that comics are terrible now, and this is the height of that issue given that the only reason this scene is in the comic, is to facilitate the desire of the writer to visually depict men being slaughtered for saying ignorant things. KILLING SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY SAID SOMETHING YOU DONT LIKE.
Ivy is not a hero, she's not even an antihero. She's a straight up sociopath that literally thought nothing of crushing a man's head, and spinal column because he was associated with the man who verbally harassed a woman in dixie cut short shorts. Talk about not asking for it!
Three men were killed, right there, and Ivy didn't give a flying fuck about it to the point where she blew off Harley's friendship because she has a thing for the Joker.
It's kind of frightening that you have no regard for the way this writer is framing the "heroic deeds" of Poison Ivy.
How about the next time Batman and Ivy meet in battle, he just rams his car into her, and crushes her lower body, and proceeds to just drive away and bitch at Tim because he's got a thing for StarFire?
You are the reason comics are terrible, you permit these blatantly sociopathic trains of thought to gain enough traction that this garbage finds it's way to a printing press..
Eat shit and die.
The simple answer is that MCU SHIELD, even compared to its Ultimates counterpart, is nightmarish organization not bound by laws or rules to the point that they would think nothing of launching three permanently stationed flying aircraft carriers with the express mission of preemptively killing people suspected of terrorism.
In a sane world, this writer would have been fired before the script even found it's way to the artist. As soon as it landed on the desk of her editor it should've been hitting the panic button and armed security guards should've escorted her out of the building, and her belongings from her desk dumped out on the sidewalk.
If you want to correct Ivy's story, she should fall ill on the first page of this next issue, and spend the entire comic recovering from a dosage of some kind of hallucinogenic drug that blocked her ability to reason.
At the end of that comic she should be standing over the grave of the guy she killed, having spent the previous pages deeply entrenched in introspection trying to find her true intentions behind this murder.
The dialogue on that last page should say something like: "I wanted a second chance, and that was totally ruined by whoever drugged me. I wanted to start over clean, but now that my hands are once again stained with blood, I vow from this day forward to protect the innocent, and seek to reform the criminally insane. If Batman hadn't treated me better than the man I killed in that bar, I would've died long long ago, and rightfully so, given the atrocities I committed in the name of my warped sense of justice."
The final panel is her walking away, and a single stargazer lilly blooming from the base of this guy's tombstone.
Then the next issue, Louisa's death was an accient, however she was the one who put the "murder juice" into Ivy's coffee, and it turns out that Louisa was a plant-based hybrid clone of the misogynist wheel-chair science guy, who is really a brand new villainess in disguise, who had sought to use Ivy's genetic hybridization to take over the world by building obedient plant-based clones of the Kryptonians, and Amazons. Their DNA being harder to duplicate and splice with plant DNA than basic human DNA.
This could finally offer some background on Batman Beyond's Splicer technology.