Much like for Rick and Morty, and The Simpsons, people like to "rate" (whatever that means) or judge everything out of context for some reason.
All of these shows have something in common: when they first blossomed and showed their true face, they did it in a barren land where nothing else of the same kind was there.
If you wanted a long running western show, with a complex and yet cohesive plot, characters that evolve over time, and a pinch of humor and sadness as well, there was simply nowhere else to look at but The Venture Bros.
>"No but I want you to enumerate everything it did right, everything it did wrong, and then clump all those together in a value to be compared with other shows!"
Why? What's the point? What would that even mean or accomplish?
Venture Bros. was very well liked when it was alone or almost alone in its kind, nowadays there are alternatives and we can afford to be snobbier and go to Bojack for more depression, SU for more lore, or whatever the fuck else, from F for Family to Moral Orel, to Moonbeam City.
NOW, in 2016, I care way less about VB than when I first started watching. This doesn't mean that it suddenly "loses value" somehow. It just means there's more stuff on the market, and that it is starting to show its age a bit.
>>79124365 I agree! I thought he was great as a goofy character the Ventures had to put up with for that one episode. Brock just putting up with the sheer stupidity of a pirate ship out of nowhere was great. Since then he didn't really add much by returning, but I'm pretty indifferent to that. He's not obnoxious or boring, so there's nothing really worth actively disliking.
Thinking if there are any characters who actually bug me on this show, I'd say Watch & Ward, those two guild guys with the raspy voices. They're not so bad in & of themselves, but they get more screentime & dialogue than they deserve, especially since their only joke is "making mundane small talk while sci-fi stuff happens around them" which all the other characters already do in a much funnier way.
>>79127854 I pointed out >>79127885 because anon takes what is basically a parody with a plot for a complex drama. People here do that with a lot of things when they like it, they call it deep and complex and all sorts of shit. R&M fans have the same issue.
>>79128513 Moral Orel got fucking dark towards the end of its run though and actually benefited from having a shorter story. Outside of maybe one more season to wrap things up a little neater and flesh out a couple more characters, Moral Orel ended on the right note.
Dr. Ms. The Monarch > The Monarch > Dr Orpheus > Old 21 & 24 > The Order of the Triad > Red guards from The Guild > White > Dr. H. Killinger > Billy > Dr. Venture > Brock > The Sovereign > Triana > Jonas Venture > Jonas Jr. (rip) > Dean > Hank > The members of Jonas' superhero group > old Hank & Dean > The Captain > Sgt. Hatred > Dermond
It became retarded when everything became related and explained in season 3. The problem is the first 2 seasons were so great everyone became more intrigued with where the plot was going, instead of the ennui and mystery it originally had as driving factors. The need to connect everything and explain everything demystified the mystique, now it is just a boring referential comedy show.
It's OK, I know everyone here will disagree. I'm not being contrary, I used to love this show. Now it is just a different show.
>>79133648 >The problem is the first 2 seasons were so great everyone became more intrigued with where the plot was going, >The need to connect everything and explain everything demystified the mystique This seems to be a reoccuring problem with cartoons that get successful these days, innit? At first it's comedy with some cool somewhat loosely connected background, but then lorefags get a boner, send their fanfics to the authors, and everything gets ruined.
>>79127237 >>79127394 >>79127394 >>You're a bum rock! Completely lost my shit, I had to find and download the show later because I missed like a couple minutes because I was on my ass. It fucking killed. IF YOU didnt find that scene funny as fucking hell and not just because you are a toddler who didnt get the references, then you are not human.
I love Venture Bros, some shits better than others. I love The Rick and Morty show, not every episode knocks it out of the park but when its good its damn good.
People cant just fucking like things any more, or I should say young people cant. It all has to be a compitition, my show vs your show. My taste vs your taste. Just fucking get over it and enjoy it.
You are going to be dead in a few decades at the most, try to find some fucking enjoyment and shut up ya whiny fucks.
No way this show is amazing. The newer seasons don't have the same charm as the earlier ones did, but it's still entertaining and dives into a complicated plot line. The characters are incredibly well developed and the voice acting is spot on.
Irrelevant but I don't think it's worth making a thread for this: Does anyone have the very very recent commercial promo for Venture Brothers season 6? The one that shows the subway signs for the VB6? I can't seem to find it.
>>79125940 >I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like Season 4. A lot of the plots ran together and aside from the Hank film noir one, a lot them didn't have their own indentity. Especially in the second half.
>>79139726 This isn't the first time this has happened.
Dammit will someone get that Commerical up? >Boudicca/Margaret Thatcher themed Villain >>79139811 There's clearly a lot of left over plot points, I doubt every thing witll be wrapped up at the end of the series, and that's not even counting the stuff they don't purposefully leave ambiguous.
>>79129653 Completely logical, I also think Hatred is one of the least funny characters.
But I also think old dean was really great and should be higher. I'd put hank and dean and Rusty over old 21 and 24. I'd put brock over billy at least. This was a show where the starting cast were the best characters.
I'd put sovereign higher than triad, Dr. Ms. The Monarch a bit lower, Molotov Cocktease after Billy
What boards do you think VB characters would frequent?:
Brock: /k/, /out/ maybe Hank: /mu/, /co/ (would be one annoying batfag), /v/, /fit/, maybe /b/, /m/ Dean: /lit/, /r9k/ during his goth phase, /m/ Rusty: /sci/, /soc/, maybe /r9k/ too Gary: Pretty much every board but especially /co/, /v/, and /vg/ Monarch: recruits for henchmen on /soc/ Sheila: /fa/ Orpheus: /x/
>>79128159 Speaking of Dr.Mcninja, I was re-reading it and HOLY SHIT Hastings set up that Wizard/name shit YEARS ago. And he ACTUALLY payed it off. Also I love how seriously he takes his dumb ideas, like the ghost busters theme thing
>>79140156 I haven't seen this trailer yet so much thanks for posting it. I can't wait for season 6 to start. I just watched the entire show again and it's still one of my favorite shows ever. I love the commentary by Public and Hammer, I only wish I could find it for season 5.
A lot of people have said they don't like season 4 or that he show got bad after season 3 but it really didn't, it just evolved. A series can't stay the same forever, that's just how things are, but over the years I've only grown to love VB more and more.
I still remember watching the pilot when it first aired and thinking "this is going to be the best show ever!" and almost 15 years later I haven't changed my mind (baring R&M which is now my favorite show, but that can't be helped)
Venture Bros just has the perfect theme and that theme is failure. That theme is basically the theme of life itself. Our failures make us who we are and it makes VB what it is, fucking brilliant!
Killinger would frequent /adv/ and give legitimately great advice to those with actual issues. He would be banned from /r9k/ for giving legitimately good advice, but the ban would be for being a normie chad fag.
>>79140410 solid list, but Orpheus would get in /x/, loose his shit when he starts to pontificate correcting people about their ignorance and get replied with smug anime pictures calling him an autist, and then stay forever mad at the board, eventually clicking on /ck/, forget his anger and bake something
>>79133949 >>79133648 yes this kind of things happen all too often, idkw you thought people wouldn't agree. Despite being one of my favorite shows, this always bothered me in the back of my mind.
I think the problem with suddenly lore is the combination of: >the audience (or at least the ones that tweet them and top Reddit AMA comments) pleads for lore, and to see the resolution of dozens of little plot lines or one time jokes and characters that they believe are now plot lines >maybe after a couple of seasons the jokes run thinner, and they feel no longer holds the show together >the "prestige" of making a show with plot and not a bunch of gags and parodies. >the timing: trying to resolve plot lines when there aren't many plot lines really, and instead of plannin ahead and building something greater they end up using half-baked moments as important events, and overuse beloved joke characters
Happened noticeable in VB, Adventure Time, Korra (I mean the suddenly Toph, akwardly forced references to ATLA and the Origins) What other show? Maybe it's just natural show decline with a different flavor
Sick of these cultureless neanderthals showering this mediocre show with undeserved praise.
Everything in Bojack is horribly on the nose. It lacks all subtlety.
>how do we show Bojack had a troubled childhood? >I know lets just shove a flashback in there where the unreasonably horrible mother delivers a rehearsed melodramatic monologue and hammers the viewer over the head with her unbridled awfulness >GREAT! We are truly capturing the breadth and complexity of the human condition
It's not really sad when its all canned. It's done so deliberately it lacks all verisimilitude.
Also, for a show that dedicates more than half its airtime to being a 'comedy' its inexcusably tripe.
This show had one of the worst pilots I'd seen since Billy & Mandy's, but unlike Billy & Mandy it didn't get much better. The character development is inorganic because it's purely used as a vehicle for the writing. The parodial premise ran thin within a handful of episodes so they fell back on character drama, but it was never very good so the whole show feels pretty hollow unless you're really into it. The show is completely uninspired and just meanders about with weak plots and weaker characters, it never aspires to much and so it never achieves anything. There are things to like about it, but none of it's for me, and from just a critical standpoint the show is poorly done so I do have to say it's overrated. Nothing wrong with liking it, just don't conflate "I like this" with "this is good", it's an easy mistake to make.
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