>Can both Lapis and Jasper get redemption?
I'd be ok with Jasper remaining the one unredeemed Homeworld Gem, if only to teach Steven a valuable lesson.
His faith in Lapis Lazuli is rewarded because of his genuine friendship for her, and because she was Chaotic Neutral to begin with. Peridot is the one who exists to show that Steven/the Earth can win over Gems who're already committed to the great Gemocide, and Jasper is the one Gem who is actively hateful of the Crystal Gems and Earth and everyone on it, so it's the divide that's hardest to bridge.
I'd also be okay with Jasper's redemption coming at the cost of Lapis'. Having them both come out on the side of the angels would make the CGs a bit too OP IMO
I'd enjoy it if he tried to extend an olive branch to her when she's outnumbered and her only choice is getting bubbled or turning traitor like Peridot, she just shatters her own gem right in front of him
The "Blue Diamond is a Fusion" theory is so annoying because it's so convincing but so obviously wrong
Will they? I think the original gems are still the original gems. If they all sing in unison during the main song it'll work. Season 3 will be probably the final season seeing as the gems are neutralizing the age old war problems and then the only higher conflict is the diamonds themselves and the fact that Steven is one himself.
With enough creativity, the names can get tacked on seamlessly.
Here's one guy's take including Peridot:
What about blue diamond looking like Connie and her being the only Diamond to directly confront the rebellion on Earth? Did she breed on earth in India producing Connie's bloodline? Four arms and blue? The clues are there that the blue diamond court was defeated on earth and the remaining were captured or settled on earth. Also, she totally covered her face in her first appearance.
no, that is completely retarded.
The blue diamond theory has that statue, Lapis's bisected diamond and her mysterious second hands going for it
Yeah, he crammed Peri in there. But if you try to shove more in there, the meter falls apart. With Lapis and Jasper, the list would also just be unfeasibly long.
Lists beyond 4-5 items simply become dull.
And with vastly different syllable counts you just run into all kinds if problems.
They will need a new concept. Maybe Peace on Planet Earth.
On an unrelated note, is /sug/ banned again? Last I heard, on the talk back thread of the last day of the last bomb, a mod said if it was kept to a containment thread (/sug/), it was fine, but there shouldn't be multiple threads (totally understandable). Did that change? If so can anyone give me even a general idea of when that changed/what was said?
Lapis doesn't really need redemption. She's basically good, or at least on Steven's side already. She was just scared as shit the whole time she's been on screen.
Jasper... is unlikely. I feel like Jasper is gonna get corrupted or shattered or something horrific.
God, that's dumb but I can somehow see it being true. Still, I don't think we saw another pair of hands in the images of the diamonds, which would have been a pretty fucking important feature to add.
Okay, but do we have a statement from the mods saying why it was? Or did they just delete /sug/ after /sug/ till everyone got the idea?
I don't lurk those threads every day, and they're almost always shit, but I'm curious.
someone had a screencap of it
basically they let /sug/ run for a week or so and said that that was long enough
also said that the posting in /sug/ devolved into garbage so they're asking us to create specific lore threads
>jasper will never use her big sexy manhands to manhandle your big monster
If we get Peri and Lapis, then they will need a new song.
Especially if they make Connie a regular in the fighting.
And we could get like an intro that is like a cascade of fusions culminating in some Alexandrite+ level monstrosity.
>She's basically good
Speaking as a Lapisfag, she's got a very long way to go. She's deeply self-centered, quite unstable, prone to overreacting, doesn't care about Earth, and hates the Crystal Gems. If she were to be freed from Malachite right this second, I couldn't see her hanging out in the temple. Not without a lot of time to work out her issues.
Fug, I still don't think Lapis is involved but 'BD is a fusion' might actually be true, may explain why she wears that hood.
Well, I think she could have had a bit of time to work off her anger with Jasper.
And if Steven told her to release Jasper and come back up, she probably would.
The CG have won that fight and changed the numbers, they need to get ready for an invasion now.
The problem with the theory is that same-gem fusions don't have extra parts, and Garnet said outright that two different gems fusing was unprecedented, so if it's true, it has to be a massive secret that even Sapphire doesn't know
>Lapis's bisected diamond
what does this mean?
>And if Steven told her to release Jasper and come back up, she probably would.
Chille Tid pretty clearly showed that Lapis knows that Steven wants her out. She doesn't want to be free. She wants to be a part of Malachite.
Or she could wear the hood because she's a cold, calculating leader that likes to know the facts before an making any movements (as we saw with the flashback in Garnet's origins).
Wow, rude, desu.
Like I said, it's especially shitty when there's nothing to actually discuss and people treat it like their own little IRC circlejerk.
I should elaborate on that first point.
Those types of leaders are quite often portrayed in media as being in the shadows, concealing their face, etc. That's the reason I made that connection.
To bluntly state my opinion, I don't think blue diamond is a fusion, and I think we don't have any actual evidence to support that fact at the moment.
Now I'm imagining an armada of hand-ships sensuously groping the planet Earth en masse.
look at her design. her top and skirt each have a triangle on them that form a diamond together. She's the only character with a diamond on their person that has it in two parts.
People suspect she may have been part of Blue
Diamond due to her ridiculous power level and her line "did you even wonder who I used to be?"
>The following titles of additional unaired episodes were at one time in August 2015 posted on Cartoon Network's website, but according to supervising director Ian Jones-Quartey, they should not be relied upon as they were not officially announced and not in the correct order.
"Same Old World"
"Hit the Diamond"
"Too Short to Ride"
"Drop Beat Dad"
"The New Lars"
"Beach City Drift"
"Kiki's Pizza Service Delivery"
"Alone at Sea"
"Greg the Babysitter"
"Crack the Whip"
"Steven vs. Amethyst"
"Beta Part 1"
"Earthlings Part 2"
"Back 2 The Moon Part 3"
"The Kindergarten Kid"
"Know Your Fusion"
"Last One Out of Beach City"
oh I get it
nice, thanks for the heads up
>some the murals and statues seem to suggest some of the diamonds are fusions
>It's just some weird fashion Homeworld Gems had some thousands of years ago
>Blue Diamond still wearing the "should arms" is like running around in bellbottoms in a fringe shirt with love beads.
There are diamond patterns on many HW Gems. Stop tinfoiling.
This. It makes no real sense to assume it because it ultimately explains nothing and changes little.
It even makes Lapis act oddly to assume that.
>Speaking as a Lapisfag, she's got a very long way to go. She's deeply self-centered, quite unstable, prone to overreacting, doesn't care about Earth, and hates the Crystal Gems. If she were to be freed from Malachite right this second, I couldn't see her hanging out in the temple. Not without a lot of time to work out her issues.
While she may not become a Crystal Gem, I don't think she's going to be particularly antagonistic towards them anymore.
They trapped her, but Steven freed her and her first thought was getting away from them (even if she had to kill them) and getting back to Homeworld. She and Steven talk and while she still wants to get back to Homeworld, she seems to care for Steven.
However, when Homeworld sent her back to destroy Steven/Earth, she betrayed her mission and her superior officer, so going back to Homeworld is no longer an option.
She does care about the Earth now, seeing as she cares about Steven and doesn't want to see him and the world he cares about be destroyed.
It's going to happen one way or the other. The full cast of the Crystal Gems will be a rainbow by the end of the show.
We literally saw them in the same room.
>Read "Same Old World" as "Old World Blues"
Courier Steven when?
Not that anon, but I think that idea (Lapis's diamond symbol being divided, thus supporting the "diamonds are fusions" idea) makes little sense and relies far too heavily on a visual reference that could easily give away her position on a planet/civilization where fusion outside of combat is looked down upon.
Lapis openly refers to Earth as a "miserable planet" in Jailbreak, remember?
Besides, Lapis's hatred and distrust of the Crystal Gems never took the form of her wanting to kill them. She just doesn't believe in their cause and would rather be as far away from them as possible.
Yup. Hence "not agreeing with him." It's seriously reaching at best.
Honestly, I personally see Jasper getting redeemed and Lapis being too hateful, too hurt and too unstable to join the fight, despite her friendship with Steven. At least until the finale.
While not bisected the 3 rubies had a pink triangle on the front and back of their outfits making a diamond
>Either way, Lapis's extreme power needs some explanation
She is part of the team sent to alter the planet to suit the needs of the Diamond Authority. Her abilities (possibly along with other Lapis', was to remove the oceans from the planet to dry it out, thus making it easier to create the vision Homeworld had for Earth).
There, Lapis' power explained.
>As far as she knows the CGs trapped her in a mirror for hundreds of years
This is not explicitly true. It is currently unclear who put her in the mirror, and the only clues we have to go on about how she got trapped in the mirror lie in Pearl's lines about it:
>We found this gem powered mirror at the Galaxy Warp.
That's literally all we know about it's origin.
Check /sug/ in >>>/trash/
>Lapis's extreme power needs some explanation
Here's a list of reasons.
>Lapis is a member of the Gem equivalent to aristocracy and has unique powers
>Lapis is purpose-built to manipulate water, as part of terraforming efforts
>Lapis's abilities aren't considered impressive by Gem standards because water isn't a thing on Homeworld
>Lapis's performance in Ocean Gem was the result of her deliberately overcharging herself out of desperation
>as does the bisection of her diamond
It looks neat.
Lapis considers the CGs to be responsible. Based on her dialogue in Mirror Gem, she's of the opinion that if they wanted her to be free, they'd have freed her, and they didn't.
Nonetheless, outside from a brief lashing out in Mirror Gem, she never makes any effort to try to kill them (at least, not unprovoked - hell, she had Amethyst at her mercy and didn't kill her). She just wants them to go away.
>Lapis considers the CGs to be responsible.
Yes, she considered them responsible, that doesn't make them responsible. For all we know gem-powered tools are a thing that exist and aren't all that unusual to the CGs who just figured the mirror was something like that.
If Lapis considers them responsible, that's her own issue. Whether they were actually responsible for her imprisonment is another story altogether and we don't actually have enough information to say one way or the other. I personally don't thing Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl are responsible (Rose is a maybe, if we get more Lapis back story I think we can say one way or the other).
>Lapis openly refers to Earth as a "miserable planet" in Jailbreak, remember?
But she wasn't keen on blowing it up either. She wanted Steven to leave with her in previous episodes, pleaded with him to just surrender when she warned him of an incoming Gem ship, and generally just wanted him to be safe. She hid the fact that he was related to Rose Quartz, tried to tell Jasper that he wasn't a Crystal Gem.
She doesn't think much of the Earth in general and would be on Homeworld if she had her way.
However, she doesn't want Steven getting hurt. When Jasper asks her to fuse so they can beat the Crystal Gems into a pulp, and possibly destroy the Earth, she betrays her.
If she didn't give a fuck about Steven's sjurvival, there's really no reason why she wouldn't take Jasper up on the offer. She'd rather stay trapped on that miserable planet than see it destroyed.
Here anon, dont go to fucking /trash/
I feel like it's hard to tell because we don't know what Lapis and Jasper will be like after they unfuse, or what the circumstances regarding their unfusion/freedom will be. Will they both be mentally "off" for a period of time? Who breaks their fusion? If Jasper somehow breaks free, she'll probably run off and become like early Peridot--on earth and fucking with the Gems, as she tries to contact Homeworld for help. If they are freed on purpose, or together, I could maybe see her confronting the Crystal Gems and Steven trying to reason with her. Even then, we don't know enough about her or how being Malachite might fuck with her.
I mean. I'll never give up hope for Cool Aunt Jasper living with the Gems and being a hard-ass in Beach City, but I don't know how it'll get there
>Lapis is a member of the Gem equivalent to aristocracy and has unique powers
We saw several gems presumed to be lapis lazulis based on their gem cuts in The Answer, see: >>79112861
>Lapis is purpose-built to manipulate water, as part of terraforming efforts
why would homeworld need to terraform anything? they don't need air, water or food, just mineral resources
>Lapis's abilities aren't considered impressive by Gem standards because water isn't a thing on Homeworld
>Lapis's performance in Ocean Gem was the result of her deliberately overcharging herself out of desperation
Lapis lifted the enitre ocean with her powers and created several water clones more powerful than the people they represented while her gem was cracked. When it was fixed, she traveled to a distant galaxy dozens of light years away in a matter of weeks, and at no point did she show any signs of exhaustion.
Can we assume that Rebecca lied when she said there were no villains? How is Yellow Diamond going to be redeemed? Blue Diamond even? seriously?
Also pic related. Lapis and Jasper redemption is inevitable and cute.
>why would homeworld need to terraform anything? they don't need air, water or food, just mineral resources
They convert planets into colonies. That's terraforming... or at least the alien equivalent of it, since "terraforming" specifically refers to making non-Earth enviroments more Earth-like.
Being able to move around large amounts of water would make remodeling an entire planet a hell of a lot easier.
It also seems as though the need the "life energy" of a planet to make new gems, so being able to manipulate water on planets full of life would be useful.
>why would homeworld need to terraform anything?
Not that anon, but "terraform" in this instance is meant as curating the planet to suit their needs.
Poor word choice to be sure, but the implications of the word make sense.
No villains in the sense that none of them are Dick Dastardly and Muttley, the explicitly "bad guys". They have their own motives, and they might be counter to those of the CGs, but they aren't bad.
Yes but Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond are harsh and cruel. BD is cruel to her own gems and YD wants to destroy Earth because it reminds her of the failure that was the Rebellion.
It used to make sense when they were doing things purely for survival, but they are actually bad characters now that they've been revealed.
P.S. I hope they don't bully Jasper for too long when she appears again.
That wasn't what I was saying. The question was, does Lapis consider the CGs responsible for her imprisonment, regardless of whether they were the ones who initially put her there? The answer is yes.
They aren't perfect explanations, no, but developing this massive, bizarre conspiracy hardly seems like the obvious answer.
And in any case, those other nobles could be anything. Teardrop cuts and blue gemstones aren't uncommon. They also don't look much like Lapis - they're different heights, the wrong shades of blue, and have a distinct silhouette - and if that doesn't matter and there were multiple Lapises, isn't that a further implication that Lapis isn't part of a Diamond, since her class isn't that uncommon?
>We saw several gems presumed to be lapis lazulis based on their gem cuts in The Answer
And all of them could be aristocracy, sharing the power of water manipulation that is unique to their breed.
>why would homeworld need to terraform anything? they don't need air, water or food, just mineral resources
Do you have any bloody idea how useful hydrogen and oxygen are? Peridot said it herself: colonization is an extremely efficient process. They don't let ANYTHING go to waste, and that would include water.
>at no point did she show any signs of exhaustion.
And all of those amazing powers are completely and totally worthless if there isn't any water nearby. It doesn't matter how powerful she is if she can't actually use that power.
>Can we assume that Rebecca lied when she said there were no villains? How is Yellow Diamond going to be redeemed? Blue Diamond even? seriously?
She clearly meant that there are no mustache twirling "muahahaha" villains. The term was "no true villains".
Honestly, I can see Homeworld just deciding to not go through the trouble of destroying the Earth, whereas most "true villains" would kill themselves just to see the protagonists go down out of sheer spite.
Yellow Diamond, for instance, is more interested in seeing the Earth destroyed because it annoys her. She's Marvin Martian.
>but they are actually bad characters now that they've been revealed.
No, they aren't.
They might be dicks, but they aren't evil and they aren't villains. Stomping on an anthill doesn't make you Hitler.
>But we won't necessarily see that many iconic villains on Steven Universe, says Sugar — the Gems aren't dealing with a particular person, but something "bigger than that." There's not "really a singular enemy." Instead, the conflict will be within the group, and it'll be about Steven figuring out what's right.
I guess she could mean the Diamond Authority as a whole being the "bigger than that" problem. But really, the Earth being destroyed is due to YD's insistence on creating the Cluster since she resents the CGs.
At the end of the day the conflict is due to a singular (or at most 2-3 Diamonds) enemy, isn't it?
Interested on other viewpoints on what she meant.
What if Centipeedle is the third new member instead of Jasper?
I mean, she's the Gem that retains parts of her corruption and her story will be struggling to find a place as a half-monster
While Jasper goes back to YD is still an antagonist. But part of a team like the Ginyu Force
If you're an ant, then yes, the human that stomps on your ant hill is Hitler.
If you look at it from any perspective, she's destroying the Earth out of a personal grudge. Peridot gave her other viable options that were even better for Homeworld's prosperity and she denied Peridot because she just wants Earth gone. She's literally Hitler.
I don't understand how you don't see her as bad.
>but they are actually bad characters now that they've been revealed.
Not really. They have their motivations to be sure, and their morals aren't the same ones we have, but consider YD in whatever the name of the episode was where Peridot contacts her:
Peridot has failed in her mission, crashed her ship, contacted YD directly in a way that no one should, and while YD berates her, she is willing to send a ship to pick her up and resign her to a new task. That's not something a mustache twisting bad guy does. Only after Peridot calls her a clod and directly tells her she's wrong for wanting to destroy the planet does she have any cruel intentions.
>The question was, does Lapis consider the CGs responsible for her imprisonment
I went back though that comment chain and I didn't see that specific question posted, but I did see:
>As far as she knows the CGs trapped her in a mirror for hundreds of years
Which I think is false. I think she knows who trapped her, and I don't think it was the current CGs (possibly rose though). Truth be told, we don't know who put her there, and all we know is she considers them responsible for keeping her there.
All in all, this is an argument over a very small disagreement in semantics and I think I'm done with it unless you can present a better argument for it.
>Blue Diamond holding dominion over a number of planets.
>Connie's last name means Master of the Universe.
CONNIE CORRUPTION CONFIRMED.
If Yellow Diamond doesn't decide to destroy Earth, then I see that as a form of redemption. She's not actually a bad person, she even handled Peridot's ideas well. The only thing that she has objectively done wrong is to plan to destroy Earth even though it's not as objective for her people.
Who does Ruby belong to? Maybe I forgot a part from the episode, but why would she use Gems that don't belong to her when she has tons of guards?
>I can see Homeworld just deciding to not go through the trouble of destroying the Earth
Steven's going to get an audience with White Diamond in the end and realize that he's been trying to tackle the problem from the wrong angle. All this time he's been giving speeches about LOVE AND PEACE ON THE PLANET EARTH but Gems, being creatures of order, aren't really interested in that. Instead, he manages to convince WD of the cold truth; that things like the rebellion happened because the same adherence to order that has helped Gemkind advance and develop so far is also causing them to stagnate. Their structure is TOO rigid, so that the smallest introduction of chaos sends the whole thing spiraling into madness.
Steven convinces WD that Gemkind has to adapt and evolve. WD will agree, and repatriate Earth into the Empire so that it and it's myriad life forms can be studied.
Then everyone will fuck. Just... dirty, gross, nasty sex all over the place. In the streets, in parking lots, in the Big Donut's slop sink. Jasper will screw a manatee, it'll be disgusting. The Diamonds will market the DVDs and become the richest motherfuckers in the universe.
And that's why, in Uzbekistan, a biscuit is known as a "Duckman."
>Who does Ruby belong to?
Not that anon, but I don't think Rubies actually belong to anyone. I think they're not entirely unlike Pearls or Quartz gems in that they're just mass produced for a specific function within the caste system that Home World uses.
>Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond are harsh and cruel
YD was actually lenient and fair to Peridot until it was clear Peri was dead set on disobeying her. Even after Peridot's many failures and gall to call her on the personal Diamond line, she thanked her for the report and planned for her retrieval. YD seems cold and strict but she is better than most bosses. It's not hard to see why Peri looked up to her.
The only issue I have with this, is that our Pearl ISNT under Pink Diamond's court. Rather she's under White diamond's. And pink pearl is still unaccounted for.
But most "true villains" aren't forces of nature. Is Cthulu a "true villain"? Are the aliens from any random alien invasion movie "true villains"? Are the predators from Predators a "true villain"?
Antagonistic, sure, but you wouldn't ascribe them the same kind of motivations you would a "true villain".
>our Pearl ISNT under Pink Diamond's court. Rather she's under White diamond's
You have literally nothing to back that up. At all.
Meanwhile, our Pearl has an ongoing theme of pink diamonds in her attire and also follows the color scheme pattern of her fellow Pearls matching their masters.
Which is why Yellow Diamond can be seen as in the wrong, whereas everyone else fought for SOMEONE else's survival (CGs and Homeworld). YD literally just wants death because she's pissed.
YD is cruel for wanting to destroy a planet just because it has a bad history. Humans have done nothing to deserve such a fate. Heck, there are even better ways to mine Earth for resources. I agree, YD seems fair to her own people.
EVERYONE HAS HAD A REASON FOR DOING SOMETHING UP UNTIL THIS POINT. An objective, good reason. Yellow Diamond is doing it out of anger and resentment. This is my take at least.
>If Yellow Diamond doesn't decide to destroy Earth, then I see that as a form of redemption. She's not actually a bad person, she even handled Peridot's ideas well. The only thing that she has objectively done wrong is to plan to destroy Earth even though it's not as objective for her people.
She didn't even seem particularly concerned about the whole thing until Peridot kept talking back to her. She didn't even think the destruction of Earth was worth turning her head for. She didn't even want to personally see it destroyed.
She just didn't want to see it show up on a map. That's about it.
It's not until Peridot kept trying to say stuff that she got annoyed. It's when Peridot questioned and insulted her that she was actually upset.
Earth is so beneath Gem notice that they send a single Peridot to keep tabs on it, and when she suggests they have a problem, they send a single ship with a single Jasper- who thinks that Rose Quartz still being alive is way more important than the cluster/destroying Earth that she abandons the mission to take Steven back personally.
The Earth is incidental.
If a being is capable of empathy or emotion and they still choose to inflict death and suffering for no cause, then yes, they are evil.
And YD clearly can be moved by emotion from what we've seen so far.
I'm thinking Earth is the spot where Pink Diamond got shattered, and marks quite possibly the greatest embarrassment in the history of the Crystal Empire. Earth is the opposite of incidental, and is a humiliation they'd sooner pretend just doesn't exist.
>Yellow Diamond is doing it out of anger and resentment.
I disagree to some extent. She set up the cluster as a got'cha after the Earth was abandoned by HW, but she talks about it like it's more of an old thorn in her side that's now going to bear sweet fruit. She's looking forward to the destruction of a planet (like the many she's taken under her control prior to that) simply because it's been a long time coming and her past history with it left a sour taste in her mouth.
Hell, she only seems passingly concerned with it up until the point were Peridot pisses her off. If she really was chomping at the bit to get revenge on Earth she would have been personally monitoring it.
>Earth is the opposite of incidental, and is a humiliation they'd sooner pretend just doesn't exist.
Then why is its destruction entrusted to a single low ranking gem- and when that's insufficient, a single slightly higher ranking gem? Rose is gone and there's only 3 gems left. Why not send an armada to blow it up?
For something that's so incredibly important, you'd think they'd put a lot more effort into destroying it when it only has 3 real defenders for an entire planet.
>Are the aliens from any random alien invasion movie "true villains"?
are you going to try to argue that aggressive colonialism isn't villainous behavior?
We can safely say such characters are evil because they are exaggerated versions of things we've decided are evil for us to do.
>Are the predators from Predators a "true villain"?
That's probably not a good comparison. Predators are literally extraterrestrial big game hunters. They're not a force of nature, they're fully cognizant of what they're doing.
And Yellow Diamond certainly isn't like Cthulhu by any strange of the imagination. Cthulhu turning over in his sleep is enough to cause people around the world do go completely insane due to psychic pollution or some shit. His very consciousness is poison to the psyches of less evolved entities.
The Gems are certainly alien, but not so completely alien that they inflict pain on lesser beings simply by existing, through no fault of their own. I'd say Yellow Diamond's cruelty stems from the vast cultural and physiological gulf between gems and humans more than actual "evil" intent, however.
these are also fair points that could totally be true. I guess we'll have to see a bit more of her character to determine what she's really like.
The way she just brushes off killing an entire planet of billions without considering better alternatives just rubs me the wrong way. Especially since humans and gems can clearly both empathize and feel.
Have they even confirmed it's a Pink Diamond and not a Red Diamond?
Admittedly, with the latter I basically imagine GemKhorne. Angry, shouty, warmonger.
Who will never stab you in the back.
Just stab you a million times in the face.
That would be great but they need to call out Lapis on her fusion rapey bullshit. It's annoying how lapisfags insist she's a cute and innocent waifu incapable of wrongdoing despite her history of being a dangerous unstable fuckup.
Hey, what was that storyboarder who shipped himself with pearl? I've been trying to find that again for a while.
Well, the big thing would be that she doesn't have any blue in her color scheme at all.
That, and the whole "common soldiers" thing makes me think that Rubies are gems mined generically regardless of Diamond and used as cannon fodder.
>Who feels SU is the best it's ever been nowadays?
I enjoyed S1 for far different reasons than I enjoy S2.
S1 had much more of a monster of the week feel to it for the first half, the second half started to build up the stories relating to home world, the history of the gems on Earth, the interplay between the two, and character building among the cast. S2 continues the latter half of S1's building, and I think that's great. I did like the Monster of the week sorta story they were going for at first, but I enjoy what it is now also.
>The way she just brushes off killing an entire planet of billions without considering better alternatives just rubs me the wrong way.
Here's the thing though. They're a race that presumably does this all the time (or at least taking over planets, inhabited or not). To them organic life isn't something they see as important, and I very highly doubt they recognize that there's billions of people on the planet (as a side note, I don't think we've really explored enough SU-Earth to say what the population is, but I don't think billions is out of the question). I liken this to Humans not really caring about the ants, beetles, and insects we displace when we developer suburbs.
I don't think it's so much because of Peridot as it is because of the forward momentum. Season 1 was very much about the world building, which was comfy and wonderful and set up a great foundation, but wasn't exactly "oh my god I can't wait to see what happens next" exciting.
But now, even though we've had some great slice of life episodes like Steven having a birthday or Peridot learning not to be so casually cruel, the continued backdrop of staying at the barn and building the drill makes it all feel like there's a sense of things happening. We're building up to something, and in the mean time we're getting the bits and pieces we've always wanted about homeworld, but each glimpse just creates more questions.
Another theory I stand by is that our Pearl is "defective" in the sense that her pearl is shaped like an oval. Whereas a perfect pearl will have a perfect circle for a shape (see Blue and Yellow pearl)
So because of her gross looking defective Pearl she was therefore a really low ranking Pearl and she just kind of turned renegade and agreed to join rose in the rebellion
Lapis has been fusion raping Jasper for months. Garnet doesn't seem to care too much so far.
Pearl tricks Garnet into fusing with her twice and suddenly Pearl is a terrible, terrible rapist.
Garnet better teach Lapis to ask for permission first, the fuckin bitch.
So do pearls have to match the gem placement of their diamonds in order to be considered part of their court?
>Especially since humans and gems can clearly both empathize and feel.
Mayflies live for only 24 hours. If you found out that mayflies can empathize and feel, would you mourn whenever one dies?
I wonder if those spoilers posted in that old /sug/ thread by the guy who quit that animation job were true
Most of it seemed legit
>First a Gray on peridot
>Then Grays on Peridot
Lapis had permission. If you will recall, Jasper was literally asking for it. "Don't fly off so soon... fuse with me... this is your chance to take revenge... just say yes". Who here is the sexual predator again?
Don't cry rape just because you regret it later.
You know, I always assumed Roses and Jaspers were elite soldiers leading squads of Amethysts and Citrines respectively, but I don't know what Blue Diamond's Quartzes would be called, unless her part of the color wheel goes far into green.
EXPLAIN TO ME,/co/, why do people keep saying Jasper is a rape victim? She gave consent.
>It's Jasper's fault for not coming up with a safe word.
We know it's Pink Diamond because the diamond is fucking pink. If it were Red Diamond, the diamond would be red. Which it isn't. So stop pushing this "Red Diamond" bullshit because it just makes you look ignorant.
>Crack the Whip
>Steven vs. Amethyst
Oh SHIT, Amethyst Betrayal Arc bitches!
>The Kindergarten Kid
These makes me hope that the Innsmouth theory about the Kindergarten is true and goddamn I so want that theory to be a reality, discovering the Gem Mutants may spark the Amethyst betrayal Arc as well.
Homeworld challenges Earth to a baseball game, winner takes all.
>EXPLAIN TO ME,/co/, why do people keep saying Jasper is a rape victim?
Because a lot of fans of this show thing fusion is some shallow allegory to sex instead of a tool for combat and a possible way to shake up the established caste system in place on Home World controlled planets. It's just the ignorant or trolls regurgitating their wrong interpretations.
Jasper fused with Lapis only under the pretense that Lapis wanted to fight the Crystal Gems.
Lets say I give you permission to fuck me in the bagina but don't want it in the ass. 5 minutes later you're holding me down fucking me in the ass. That's still rape you Lapis sympathizing, rapists.
No, but I would once again find myself marveling at how senselessly and pointlessly cruel nature is, even while simultaneously acknowledging that it is completely nonsensical to anthropomorphize nature and attach such a label to it.
around this thread if you look for the big spoiler boxes
but who knows
just hope this hiatus isn't too long and this is the only thing I've got to go on
Then explain pic related when Garnet and Amethyst are fusing or when Steven and Connie fuse and Pearl says it's inappropriate.
>Because a lot of fans of this show thing fusion is some shallow allegory to sex instead of a tool for combat
Well, recent episodes haven't really done much to dispel that idea.
And can't it be both?
So Lapis didnt let Jasper dominate the fusion, which is why it was rape.
That whole pretense shit is nonsense and your comparison was a far cry from the situation at hand.
Their fusion dance is lewd
and Pearl, for some reason, knows what lewd things look like for humans. pic related.
>And can't it be both?
I personally don't like that idea, but I guess so. I just think the basis for "guies, fusion is totally sex for gems" makes little sense. Imagine fucking your comrades on the battle field to bolster your firepower and fight the enemies. Fusion would be more akin to ignoring the Geneva Conventions so you can win a war.
If it worked on Peridot I'm sure it can work with Lapis, not sure about Jasper tho
Jasper asked Lapis for permission. She asked her if she wanted to fuse to fight the crystal gems with her.
At this point, it's unclear if Jasper could've taken Lapis. Maybe she would've been fast enough to crush Lapis' gem before the CGs could help or Lapis could summon water. Although I highly doubt it.
Lapis DECIDED to hold down and rape Jasper just to escape from her shitty existence.
>I'm sick of being everyone else's prisoner. Now you're MY PRISONER and i'm NEVER LETTING YOU GO
Now does this sound consensual to you??
>So Lapis didnt let Jasper dominate the fusion, which is why it was rape.
No, it's because Lapis entered into that union under false pretenses. Jasper thought they were fusing in order to fight the Crystal Gems, then Lapis forced Jasper to maintain that fusion of mind and body for months on end against her will.
Didn't Lapis want to be imprisoned, what with her whole self-hating shtick? Not that that makes Jasper anything other than an antagonist/villain, but fusion is also a whole different animal compared to being held in a literal cage, something that Garnet could attest to.
It could also be that the Crystal Gems specifically have a warped idea of what fusion is thanks to Garnet. But if that was the case, it wouldn't really make much sense as to why Peridot seemed so flustered about fusing with her...
Pearl probably found some of Greg's porn mags hidden in the van at some point.
>pic semi related
>I'm sick of being everyone else's prisoner. Now you're MY PRISONER and i'm NEVER LETTING YOU GO
Sounds like a classic case of the abused becoming the abuser.
And therein lies the problem, doesn't it? The cosmos is entirely indifferent to us and our machinations. We like to throw labels at what we dislike. "Cruel" and "evil" and so many more. We do everything we can to justify the terrible things we do in the name of survival and perpetuation.
But those labels only mean anything to ourselves. The universe is not beholden to us.
We call our enemy evil, even as we murder them, rape them, and take what they have. We call our fears evil, even as their mighty space hands fall from the heavens to snuff us out and take what we have. And the universe carries on as though we never were.
Ahh, yes. A quasi-philosophical discussion in a Taiwanese pictograph forum on a cold winter's night. Look out the window and think of death, kids. It's a-comin'.
>keeps implying rape
>keeps implying penetration
>keeps implying intentional torture when it was clearly shown to the audience that she was using her powers to keep the fusion crushed at the bottom of the ocean
>That pic is also a far cry from what actually happened.
Do you think the Men in Black are a thing in the SU universe?
How do you think the Gem's would react upon learning that some humans know more then they think?
Well if not torture, what would you call being trapped in the same horrible mutant body with someone who wants to keep you caged at the bottom of an ocean for eternity while your individual psyches clash against and mix with one another in equal measure?
So basically any prison is torture, is what you're telling me.
Well prison really is torture, but regardless it's the least you can to to contain a dangerous person
The problem is that there was no need to do that to Jasper in the first place.
Are we really to believe that JASPER can take on 4 CGs and Lapis after falling out of the fucking sky?
It's inhumane, it's torture. Jasper is clearly suffering and just wants out of this fucking situation. Infact, it's worse than penetration. Lapis has literally entered Jasper's body and is controlling her very being. Lapis is worse than a fucking rapist honestly.
And if you don't believe fusion is a close, intimate relationship that can be likened to rape or psychological torture when misused, i don't know what to tell you.
No, which is why I brought up the situation. However, I believe that the CGs have aerial weapons (e.g. whip, rocket gloves, etc) and that Jasper just fell out of SPACE. She's unbelievably war-torn.
>Imagine fucking your comrades on the battle field
That's why Homeworld looks down on mixed fusion. Legal fusions aren't like fucking, it's just becoming a bigger stronger version of yourself.
>worse than a rapist
LUL, i don't think you understand the real-life implications of rape.
Was the imprisonment necessary? no
Why did it happen? Plot, nothing more
You're blowing this whole thing out of proportion
Prison is not the same as literally being trapped within the same physical body as someone who has an axe to grind against you personally, your consciousnesses mingling with one another as you both fight to maintain an individual will instead of forming into an unwanted gestalt.
Man, I'm starting to wonder what the point of some of the gem structures we see are..
For example, what's the point of the spires? We've seen two of them: the sky spire which held the heaven beetle and floated in the sky, and the sea spire, which was apparently owned by blue diamond and stood in a magically supported hole in the ocean. Peridot mentioned that dozens were planned but never built
Also, there's the geodes. One of which was in the middle of a crater and was filled with a powerful artifical ion storm that could have wiped out the planet, there was a similar, possibly smaller stucture on the moon base that appeared to be "contained" in some sort of holo field. It's presumably also what was in White Diamond's hands. Maybe it's a geo-nuke?
Garnet would stare blankly and then Amethyst would say something inappropriate. Then either Pearl or Steven would change the subject.
The gems have no qualms about people knowing their true nature. They use their powers openly in front of everybody in town. They were featured in the play explaining the origin of beach city. Garnet casually told Nanefua that she didn't have to eat and was much older than her. They showed up to dinner with the Maheswarans as a multi-story fusion monster.
not a single fuck is given. Sorry.
That is literally prison
Use that noggin of yours
Exactly, it's working with a small group (2-4 maybe) to pilot a small mech into battle to fuck up infantry and other mechs. Home World says it's a bad thing to do (and they probably know that two different gems create something totally new), and prolonged use outside of combat can cause disruptions in their established castes.
Imagine rubies banding together to form a small rebellion because a handful their fusions could stand a chance at overthrowing their superiors so they could become something more than what they're created to be. That is the reason fusion is looked down upon by them. Different gems mixing just creates even more problems (Royalty/nobility mixing with the common street rabble then planning on breaking out of society).
No, that isn't literally prison. Unless you've got some really fucked up prisons in your country that I'm unaware of where they put two brains in one body or stitch people together into artificial Siamese twins.
Trapped, surrounded by people you don't know, people who might want to kill you. Every day being put to the grindstone, as your mind, body and the person you used to be slowly turns to dust.
Sorry, even that was too edgy for me
(and possible rape, which is a subject you seem to be fond of)
You're telling me you'd rather be forced into a fusion, mind and body, with a person you hate with every fiber of your body. A person that also hates you and only wishes you harm. This person holds you there, for months, as your very souls become one. He's in your head, he's in control of the creation that you two have become.
Or, some guy puts his pee pee in your bagina until he gets off. Sure, it hurts and there is psychological damage as well. But compared to months and months of psychological torture and emotional distress? come on senpai.
>Man, I'm starting to wonder what the point of some of the gem structures we see are.
What do you mean? Earth was going to be a colony. All of those structures were going to be for the colonists. Places to live, places to work, places to relax.
Just because Gems don't need to eat or sleep doesn't mean they don't need places to keep their stuff or sit and read a book in their off time.
You make it sound so trivial, considering the fact that many women go into a deep long depression after rape, and often commit suicide.
Also, unwanted pregnancy and STDs
Sadly, there probably aren't any MIBs in SU, or at least no competent ones. Humans have been shown as basically walking plants in terms of their observational capability and sense of self-preservation, with either normal reactions to odd things or extreme lack of cognizance.
The only exceptions to this rule we've seen are Greg (who has add extensive contact with the Gems and with alien craziness) and Ronaldo (who's generally pretty nuts and whose actions defy basic logic such as punching an alien made of rock and light), neither of which are good indicators of normality. Plus, despite one of the big events to occur this far being a fucking alien invasion that forced the evacuation of an entire town, no government entities seem to have even raised an eyebrow much less made a move, despite any government entity in fiction typically scrambling when aliens show up for real in an effort to get their tech/weapons/phone number for diplomatic relations.
If we do see MIBs show up, chances are they'll be stupid, weak, incompetent or all three at once. despite trying to be the opposite, much like Ronaldo when he kidnapped Steven. They'll probably appear out of thin air, look scary, get easily-tricked by a fairly-typical fat kid and some aliens, neither of which should be able to outfox such trained agents whose whole purpose is being good at dealing with such things, and the plotline will get dropped like a hot potato after a [RESOLVED] label is slapped on it.
I'm starting to wonder just what kind of bias this show's got against humans not being shit/panicky animals, especially when a core theme is "HUMANITY IS PRECIOUS AND WORTH PROTECTING, GUIZE". Makes me wonder why in the fuck Rose cared about humans, unless she was a dipshit and assumed all humans were worth saving because one was smart and gave her a good dicking.
That's STILL not the same thing as literally having someone else inside your head and capable of manipulating your (shared) body against your will. It's still horrible, just for different reasons.
I honestly think Pearl would have the biggest reaction to the MIB, seeing how she sees human beings as simple neanderthals with short, pointless lives that probably wouldn't understand anything beyond them like Gems, she wouldn't begin to fathom how human beings could know as much as they do about space, other alien beings etc.
The MIB allow the Gems to be on Earth and live in their fantasy as Earth's protectors, the Gems are living in their world
And it's also different in that it's not rape.
If you can't come to accept that then let's just agree to disagree, mmk?
calling her a rapist is, seriously, just silly.
a vengeful water witch? sure
Well, for a gem, it's about the worst thing that could happen to them (other than simply being shattered) short of being turned into one of those gem zombies. A gem can't be raped in the traditional sense for biological reasons, so forced/unwanted fusion is the closest they can physically or psychologically get to experiencing something like it.
And the point I'm making is that, sure, rape is bad. But in that act, they own you physically. But being forced to fuse with someone is much more traumatizing. They own every fiber of your mind and being.
>the real-life implications of rape.
We're not gems, but rape trauma is medically on record for significantly altering a victim's brain activity patterns, even moreso than war trauma PTSD.
Imagine having your mind melded with the mind of someone you hate, against your will, for about a year until you're close to losing your own identity. Sounds even worse than rape, honestly.
I just figured that the efforts of humanity in general against the gems are so insignificant, they're not even worth animating. If they didn't show up after Lapis stole the entire ocean, they're not going show up at all
I get what you're saying, in that a forced fusion literally involves sharing a head space, but you could argue that many rape victims are also "owned" psychologically following their traumatic experience. The rapist isn't literally inside their head, but they're still "inside their head", if you get my meaning.
There is no owning your body, Garnet has already explained that when you fuse with a different gem you lose your independent consciousness. Lapis is fighting with jasper's consciousness over control of the fusion. Jasper's not fighting for Jasper, Jasper is fighting for malachite.
Wasn't part of this discussion till now, but here's how I've reconciled it.
Humanity has been dealing with Gems and left over gem tech for nearly 5000 years, that shit is old hat by now, hell, the greater world might even attribute gems to being saviors of the world from some ancient threat, or treat them as some quasi-religious figures that existed in the past, but now are just stories.
We see in Ocean Gem that the towns folk are surprised to see Pearl project an image of Lapis from her gem, I would venture a guess that Humans for the most part are about as well aware of gems as most are of Ancient Egyptian religions (that being not very), and the Governments of the worlds are filled with SU-Earth equivalence of Free Masons (which is why Gems are on the Dollars we see in the episode with Watermelon Stevens).
but why was the sky spire so prohibatively difficult to? You had to platform across floating islands and climb mountains of stairs that were practically vertical. Inscriptions on some of the stones there imply that the entire point of this mountain was to house, contain, and/or protect the heaven beetle.
On the other hand, the sea spire was an oasis for gems on earth, suggesting they may have served a different purpose
Could be that the entire town of Beach City is u det Gov control. I've seen animes, movies shows where entire towns were under control of the gov. All the citizens were under cover agents or familymembers
I'll eat my hat if they actually treat the forced fusion as anything nearly as serious as people seem to be thinking it is. Jasper will probably just still be her angry self and not be severely traumatized at all.
We've seen Ruby and Sapphire talking though Garnet in the past. I think Malachite is something like that. Two gems fighting for control of a single being that isn't allowed to be itself.
The only reason there are different voices is because the fusion is unstable.
Also, Lapis is implied to be keeping control of Malachite in order to use her powers to keep Jasper imprisoned. This is both an act out of love for Steven and hate for Jasper.
Lapis hates Jasper more than Jasper hates Lapis, desu senpai.
Jasper tried to manipulate Lapis into fusing with her to kill the CGs, Jasper was trying to coax Lapis into an abusive relationship, the fusion.
>They are really bad for eachother
All of these structures are at least 5,000 years old and nobody has been maintaining them. Those floating islands were probably part of a land bridge at one point and vertical stairs are no problem for Gems who don't get tired. Remember when pearl climbed a mountain at 90 degrees with Steven strapped to her back?
I like Lapis, she's cute.
But sorry, i'm a Perifag at heart
I agree. It would at least be interesting to have her express the view that fusion is an abomination due to what she went through. Short of having a positive fusing experience in the future, I doubt she would ever view fusion like Garnet and the other Crystal Gems do.
But who would she fuse with in a positive manner?
Also, don't forget that Peridot is a Nazi sympathizer.
I'd like to think Garnet. Only someone that experienced and confident about fusing could show her how good it could be. And they already have a connection, having fought while Garnet straight up sang about fusion. Also, they're pretty equal in the sense that they're both big strong fighters, leaders of their trios, etc.
Post more psycho Lapis comics/pics
I love them
Jasper is a bitch but when she finds out about the cluster I think she might defect.
We had a good discussion thread going on, but it got deleted because the OP literally called it /sug/
Let it serve as an example of what's acceptable I guess.
>OP literally called it /sug/
If you could read you would have seen it was "/sulg/", which is literally different than "/sug/"
Peridot is a succubus and her bait is that fucking cat face
>Steven Universe lore general
>mfw you're arguing semantics
It was deleted because it had no topic.
Lapis is already redeemed, the question is Jasper. I'm guessing being cooped up with Lapis' thoughts for a while will have a serious impact on her psyche when they split
I'd bet they'll make her petrified of the gems. Just seeing Garnet will
I'd be okay with this, if only because it would mean restoring Centipeedle first.
>You're telling me you'd rather be forced into a fusion, mind and body, with a person you hate with every fiber of your body. A person that also hates you and only wishes you harm. This person holds you there, for months, as your very souls become one. He's in your head, he's in control of the creation that you two have become.
this sounds way too much like crippling depression.
This. Jasper and Pearl could have an extremely interesting dynamic, Jasper first looking down on her immensely for being fancy and useless and then learning to respect her, as she's actually taught herself to fight somewhat well, and them both bonding over their glorious battle muh warrior's code boners and memories of the war.
Also after the Malachite situation I'd imagine she'd be extremely reluctant to fuse again, and Pearl, being just a weak pearl, might seem like a tolerable alternative as she could be sure Pearl can't hold her in the fusion against her will even if it turns out to be a trap
It's not "just silly", it is what it is. Have you not seen the sexual tones the show has been giving fusion? Sure, it's not all sex, but it's there, and the show has made a big song and dance about how fusion should always, always be a choice lest it's really horrible.
Lapis is pretty damn close to a rapist. Sure she may justify it to herself as an act of vengeance but revenge rape is still rape.
I wish Lapisfags could admit that.
>close to a rapist
i rest my case, senpai
So she could have fused, taken the fusion to the sea, and then suddenly unfused, which would have made Jasper so disoriented there'd have been time to kick her ass, seeing as they'd be surrounded by Lapis' weapon.
The months-long permarape thing is utterly, completely unnecessary. It can't be excused by "oh Jasper was kinda close, she had no choice".
It's like when two people hit it off in a bar and agree to have a one-night-stand fuck in the toilets, and then one of them drugs the other, kidnaps them and takes them to their countryside cottage and uses them, tied and gagged, as a sex toy for months, telling them that they're going to stay there FOREVER.
It's not what the other person fucking signed up for.
you remember that post i made 2 hours ago about agreeing to disagree?
I'm honestly tired of you and your metaphorical bullshit
>it's completely okay to kidnap someone and hold them against their will in a fusion, trying to break their mind, and tell them they're never ever letting go, if you got them to agree to a temporary fusion once
Lapisfags, everyone. I'm guessing you also think it'd be perfectly fine for a guy to kidnap their gf and tie them down to a sex dungeon in a basement to be used for months and months, since you know, they'd agreed to having sex with the bf in the past? Sex is sex?
Seriously it's rather astounding people are actually trying to defend Lapis with this type of arguments - while also shitting on Jasper for "being violent".
It's more like grabbing someone trying to run away from you and someone you want to beat up, telling them to help you beat up that person; only for them to hog tie you and haul you off to some unknown location to keep you tied up for as long as they can. There's more to it because you and they are in the same confined space and sharing a brain/consciousness.
It's far too simplistic to just call it rape and be done with it. This is something we can't quite pin down to an experience we have (and can punish) here on Earth. I think it's silly that people are so obsessed with what to call it; and the people that are just calling it rape have a very ignorant view of what rape is.
>show has made a big song and dance about how fusion should always, always be a choice lest it's really horrible.
Actually, it's really just Garnet who's espoused that view, and that's just one gem's(or pair of gem's) opinion. The Homeworld gems still seem to have a dismal view of inter-gem-type fusions in general, even if they acknowledge the destructive potential/tactical utility, and while the other Earth gems are certainly closer to Garnet's overall views on the subject, seemingly no one takes it quite so seriously as Garnet (who may even heap more import on it than it warrants, but that's another debate). With her it doesn't even feel like simply a relationship analogy, it's almost a religious fervor.
>It's more like grabbing someone trying to run away from you and someone you want to beat up, telling them to help you beat up that person; only for them to hog tie you and haul you off to some unknown location to keep you tied up for as long as they can. There's more to it because you and they are in the same confined space and sharing a brain/consciousness.
More like holding the person until authorites arrive or you can find out what to do with them.
I'm pretty sure Lapis is only holding her there until they can think of a better plan. I'm pretty sure that if given any other viable option, she would more than willingly release Jasper. But doing so will result in the person trying to assault everyone/destroy the earth/fuse with you getting free and doing as they please.
She's not doing it out of some kind of sadistic pleasure or gratification. It's stay this way or have Jasper beat her up/destroy her.
why'd they do away with her ripped pants?
I can't fap to patches
I see it more as a violation of trust among team mates for a taste of power not often granted.
I get what you're saying, I do. I just think that equating it solely to rape is a rudimentary way of looking at the whole situation when rape/sex isn't even really what fusion is about. It's related to the relationship between the gems but if you're so shallow to equate all relationships to sex then you have a problem.
The whole sex thing isn't the only parallel, it could just as easily be a relationship of most any kind and Garnet takes all her relationships seriously and any betrayal is fucking serious.
I never understood why she needed an outfit change just because the other gems got one. Even if they had to "complete the set", the subtly messy quality of her former outfit really did a nice job of visually conveying part of her character in a manner her new outfit doesn't. If anything it feels like she's still vaguely trying to ape Pearl with the gymnast/dancer-like getup she's wearing now.
Strictly speaking it's like someone demanding to have sex with another person for the sole purpose of hurting someone else and the other person agreeing only so she could commit a murder-suicide.
>I'm pretty sure that if given any other viable option, she would more than willingly release Jasper.
Didn't Steven try to convince her to do something like that in Chill Tedde or whatever that episode was called?
Whether Lapis or Jasper is the true rapist matters little compared to the message. They're both hurting pretty badly and neither of them will come out of it mentally sound.
Malachite is like being in a really fucking abusive relationship but with one person keeping it together out of spite, even if it means themself suffering forever.
What >>79118078 and >>79118081 said, also >>79118053
It's important to remember that Garnet's the oddball by being in constant fusion, and whatever parallels to human behaviors you (or even the writers) might want to draw, she's still a pair of magical sapient space-rocks espousing a unique and peculiar (if nobly-intended) viewpoint for her species. Trying to lay-down a 1:1 equivalent with human relations/interactions is a quagmire.
What makes you think Steven will be key to redeeming Lapis? He needs a break and Waterdouche isn't listening. Time for the show's newest savior.
>How do you think the Gem's would react upon learning that some humans know more then they think?
I don't think they would care.
They don't seem to be making any effort to hide from humanity they just don't seem to care for interacting with them more than the bare minimum.
Can the bookshop disable a leaf? Whatever custard lurks! The box withdraws with an overhead. An ignorance poses inside a tunnel! The terrifying circular spares the hydrogen. The silicon spends the signal gasoline near the chamber.
Right, but the problem is most people try to shut out the entire sex aspect of fusion while trying to defend Lapis. while fusion is not ALL about sex, sexual tones seem to be a central, or at least relevant part of fusing. It's false to try to deny that or pretend it doesn't apply in this case because muh cute blue waifu was mistreated in the past.
You're trying to argue the show would take the stance that Garnet and her views are wrong and her opinions and teachings to Steven are delusional and overly romantic? Really? That after all that's happened, after showing Garnet's struggle, the show would portray her as overly emotional and stupid and generally misguided about fusion?
She was clearly MADE for Rose Quartz. Seriously. The only basis anyone would have for Pearl belonging to WD is "hurr her gem is on the forehead!" According to Peridot there are hundreds of pearls at HW, they're not Diamond-exclusive, and I doubt all of the pearls have their gem where the owner gem has theirs. Just because the Diamonds choose to have their personal pearls made to imitate them doesn't mean all of the pearls are the same.
This "Pearl belonged to WD" is about as retarded as "Jasper is a fusion" tbhfamille
>It's false to try to deny that or pretend it doesn't apply in this case because muh cute blue waifu was mistreated in the past.
I was doing nothing of the sort in that comment. I will state again that I think it's unsagacious to attribute sex to fusion. There is clearly a relationship between the two gems that goes into the fusion, and their relationship has an outcome on the fusion, but to think that sex has to be a part of it is just a poor way of thinking about the relationships.
Now, Garnet is the outlier of the fusions we've seen so far. We've been beat over the head time and again when her relationship is brought up. They tell us time and time again that it's because of love that she's a fusion all the time, and I can see where you would bring sex into that. But all of the other fusions we've seen in the show have been for utility, every single one; in no situation outside of Ruby and Sapphire has a romantic, loving relationship brought two gems together into a fusion that exists for any significant amount of time.
Opal is always for Utility
Sugalite is always for utility
Sardonix was always for utility
Alexandrite was technically for utility
Malichite was meant for utility and still sorta is (Lapis wanting to protect Steven)
Garnet is the only one that they have constantly been drilling into us that is made of love.
are forgetting that flashback where rose is talking to pearl about starting the rebellion. she literally says "my pearl"
clearly, if she was a renegade already, rose wouldn't think of her as such.
No it's a grounded theory.
>She was clearly MADE for Rose Quartz.
There is zero basis for this.
Pearls are likely submissive in nature, why wouldn't she address that way?
>clearly, if she was a renegade already, rose wouldn't think of her as such.
That's not how Rose operates.
If anything, she'll likely be deemed a traitor or a disgrace because she fused with a different gem. She likely knows deep down that would be the case, but moreover, she'll be upset that her homeworld which she served loyally and faithfully would turn on her even though she fused to complete her mission. A matter of honor and wounded pride.
>but to think that sex has to be a part of it is just a poor way of thinking about the relationships
And when Pearl was blushing and trying to shield Steven's eyes when Sugilite was formed? Nothing sexual at all, it's not a part of it at all? Consider the fusion dances for the "utility" fusions - again, nothing sexual or sensual at all, in your opinion? Really? Sardonyx fusing and unfusing, that didn't seem romantic to you in the least, all that tender forehead-touching?
Seriously it's just retarded that people are trying to argue with a straight face that fusion wouldn't be sexual at all or that it wouldn't have any sexual aspects. I'm also not speaking only of you and what you've said, I'd have assumed that was evident from using "most people".
Also, humans seem to have made zero effort to scavenge gem tech. It's not like the Gems are suppressing it. They're leaving shit lying around all over the world and yet nobody ever found it by accident and decided they want to take it apart to see how it works? How can humans beings even exist at this level of stupidity?
i think it's closer to some kind of relationship or marriage. it's a play on how in feudal (gem) societies marriage isn't a choice, it's a demand, it's an alliance, or a tool.
garnet breaks that role, and shows that it can be much more. later pearl does the same thing with rainbow quartz and sardonix (sort of). and thus the CGs teach steven about the modern progressive fusion, and not the barbaric contract it used to be.
rose is clearly leading her into rebellion. she has pink diamonds all over her clothes and has pink highlights. she is always referred to as rose's gem.
there is no reason to think otherwise.
it's not a level of stupidity. early on pearl tells steven that the warp pads only work for crystal gems. most gem objects probably only work for gems, with a few exceptions like that cloning wand.
and good luck reverse engineering that tech, it's probably all quantum circuitry or something and humans wouldn't even be able to see what they're working with.
>Sardonyx fusing and unfusing, that didn't seem romantic to you in the least, all that tender forehead-touching?
Romance and sex are different things.
>And when Pearl was blushing and trying to shield Steven's eyes when Sugilite was formed?
Pearl also blushed when during the dancing with Garnet in Alone Together at the beginning of the episode.
>Nothing sexual at all, it's not a part of it at all?
No, not really. You can be flustered about something without it being sexual. Pearl gets flustered about fusion because, as we've seen with Sardonix, it give her a feeling she doesn't have on her own. Feeling that loving relationship that Garnet has is something she doesn't experience, even Amethyst admits that it's nice to feel. Just because it's described as a loving relationship doesn't mean it's sex.
>Seriously it's just retarded that people are trying to argue with a straight face that fusion wouldn't be sexual at all or that it wouldn't have any sexual aspects.
I feel like this is a cop-out argument but I'm going to use it anyway. The gems cannot do anything sexual because they are not sexual beings. That doesn't mean they can't be in love or be romantic with each other, it just means they aren't sexual. The biggest issue I've had with trying to describe this to people is that they can't seem to separate romance and sex; and with good reason, human relationships almost always couple the two to the point that they're inseparable, but we're not talking about humans
>Garnet said outright that two different gems fusing was unprecedented
Maybe common gems just think it's unprecedented and it's just the Diamonds wanting to keep other gems from gaining their secret advantage.
>The biggest issue I've had with trying to describe this to people is that they can't seem to separate romance and sex
Because romance is just a pretense for sex
Romance doesn't real without sex for people
Obviously it's a fictional show and whatever
Nah, anon. BD is the one who's against mixed fusion. The color blue is always about royalty and lineage so it makes sense she'd be butthurt about it. We don't know YD's stance, but she doesn't seem to mind mixing different gem shards for her experimental abominations. Jasper's views aren't proven to represent YD or homeworld either, just her own.
>There is zero basis for this.
Are you actually fucking serious m8? Rose and Garnet call Pearl "her pearl". Pearl carries the pink diamond emblem on her spacesuit. She's so obsessive over Rose and constantly harps on how she was "Rose's sole confidante" and how "none of the other gems could understand what they had". Pearls are also a made-to-order servant class, "useless on their own" even in Pearl's own words, even after she's been fighting in the rebellion. It's because she was made for Rose. She's Rose's Pearl.
There is ZERO basis for Pearl supposedly having belonged to the WD faction though. It's just something people farted up because they like theories. Her colouring doesn't even fit the white faction ffs.
I personally fail to see that and I think you're wrong. There's clearly no point in arguing this further because we're both have our minds set.
>Romance doesn't real without sex for people
Which is part of the point I'm trying to make. To these beings, gems, who aren't humans, there's nothing sexual about it because they don't reproduce via sex. You're injecting human ideas onto an alien interaction.
Personally, I think different gem fusion being forbidden/unprecedented/outlawed/whatever is mostly to keep order within their castes within home world territory. We see with Rubies, that a few of them fusing just creates a larger ruby, but they're still just a ruby, a gem that fits neatly into it's caste as a lowly soldier. But with Ruby and Sapphire, we get something totally different, a gem that seemingly doesn't naturally exist. Where does this gem belong in the caste that governs society? This wholly new gem, the fusion of an aristocrat and a petty soldier? What caste does this new powerful gem belong in? How will this shake up society? With other gems fuse? Will this cause a social disruption?
Disagree with you on that. YD does forced fusion. If Garnet's first encounter with the experiments were any indication, YD or all the Diamonds trying to handle the rebellion on earth decided as a small bit of "payback" for all the gems that rebelled, the rebel gems that were shattered would be used for experimentation. I'm seeing it as the Diamonds deciding "since these traitors like fusing in such disgraceful ways so much, let's harvest them and perform some tests."
None of that means that she was made for Rose though. Why would a frontline defender gem need a servant?
From what we've seen all of the Diamonds have Pearls, and their gem placement is identical.
>Her colouring doesn't even fit the white faction ffs.
Of course it doesn't, Gems can change their outfits
Don't forget that she defected.
>Romance and sex are different things.
Oh come on. Seriously.
The point stands that fusion is clearly not just "functional", there is this romantic/sensual/sexual aspect to it. Look at the fusion dances, how Amethyst runs straight at Garnet's cooch, Pearl blushing, how they treat it as something so sensual and personal, Ruby and Sapphire having the "so was that your first time" discussion, Pearl and Rose being so blatantly romantic with their fusion, Amy being clearly flirty with the "shall we do it" suggestions - all combined, there is undoubtedly a heavy side to fusion that would, to humans, be understandable as romantic / sexual. They're clearly illustrating it with blatantly sensual / sexual gestures and imagery.
Sure maybe they can fuse for necessity much like porn actors can fuck for their wages, or something, and okay it's not the same as sex but has other sides too - but genuinely attempting to deny the romance / sex side of it completely, or trying to paint it as only Garnet's personal interpretation just so you could try to defend poor widdle Lapis is moronic.
>To these beings, gems, who aren't humans, there's nothing sexual about it because they don't reproduce via sex. You're injecting human ideas onto an alien interaction.
TECHNICALLY YES. otherwise cartoon network would never let it air. but the gem's actions clearly speak to the VERY intimate nature of some of their actions.
ffs the whole sardonix arc was about manipulating someone into boinking and why that's wrong.
>Don't forget that she defected.
What? She was always faithful to her owner, Rose. When Rose decided to rebel she naturally followed her.
Are you confusing "defective" with "a defector"?
>just so you could try to defend poor widdle Lapis is moronic.
Where am I doing that? Where has anyone in the last several hours done that?
Anyway, I'm done arguing about this for tonight, I have work in the morning.
And we also had Ruby explain that inter-gemtype fusing feels completely different since you lose yourself, which doesn't happen when it's within the same type of gem.
It's a completely different experience.
Okay so you clearly don't understand what "defective" means.
It doesn't mean that she's defected, it means she's defective, as in she has a defect, as in she doesn't function like a proper pearl should.
>You're trying to argue the show would take the stance that Garnet and her views are wrong and her opinions and teachings to Steven are delusional and overly romantic? Really? That after all that's happened, after showing Garnet's struggle, the show would portray her as overly emotional and stupid and generally misguided about fusion?
I'm not arguing that's what the show would try to convey - I'm saying it's a reasonable (if unintended) viewpoint to take, given the same information the show offers, and looking at things across the board. Because Ruby and Sapphire don't /have/ to be fused to be together/in love. They're simply so enamored with the composite experience of being in a fused state, that they intertwine it with their romantic feelings for each other, and have heaped a great deal of /personal/ import upon it.
I'm not saying her opinions are invalid, but they're just that - her opinions. How much stock you choose to put in her take on things depends on how much you trust her perspective.
And fusion's still not a 1:1 equivalent to sex or even romance as humans experience it. I get the messages the writers are trying to convey through her and what she's said about fusion, but like so many other aspects of the show, they're laying it on a bit thick in places without checking the foundations they're heaping it on. See also: the jarringly abrupt insertions of melodrama that riddle the series.
The cluster is MILLIONS of gem shards. I doubt Rose had that many rebels to her cause. Shards are shards, whether rebels or loyal soldiers. Homeworld doesn't give a shit who they used to be.
How would you comfort the homeless, friendless Lapis Lazuli we know?
>all of your claims are held up by nothing more than baseless speculation
Baseless my ass
>and the fact that you know very little about gem prehistory
I know just as much as you do.
what if every gem they sent to earth slowly started to defect from like, magnetic waves corrupting their code or something.
and that's why it turned into a war of attrition and why the diamonds gave up on ever building a colony there.
>Words have more than one definition
You're a retard, dude. You can't just randomly change the definitions of words so you could make your asspull theory work.
Pearl was said to be defective, which does not mean she defected. NO ONE has said she's ever "defected". You're wrong, and there is no basis for the WD theory apart from the gem placement. But that alone, weighed against everything we've seen tying Pearl to Rose, is so insignificant it's meaningless.
guys i need to ask something
if gem people are made from gems that are taken from the earth or other places. what would happen if you used a Cremation Diamonds?
would it be the same person or
I didn't change the damned definition, and it's not an asspull.
If pearls are created for their masters then my is it beyond reason that they would have the same gem placement as their masters.
What I'm saying is Pearl could've left WD and latched on the Rose because she felt the need to have a master.
>Pearl was said to be defective, which does not mean she defected. NO ONE has said she's ever "defected".
I'm only going off facts and what I've seen. We're halfway into season 2 they aren't giving us much so we might as well run away with what they give us.
I think the gem placement is that important. In The Answer when we saw two gems of the same type they all had different gem placements.
You're posting the definitions to different, unrelated words, dude. No-one said those words in relation to Pearl. It's "defective", look it up. Not "to defect" or even just "defect", there's a crucial difference. You've misunderstood and don't want to admit your error.
but the rubys all had different gem placements and they were all working under blue. the fact that the diamonds share gem placement with their pearls could very well be a fashion choice or even random chance.
I'm telling you right now that Jasper will not be redeemed. All she's done is insult, scream at, and headbutt the good guys. As of Chile Tid she seems to truly hate Steven. Not to even mention how much Lapis probably hates Jasper at this point- why would she ever be on a team with her? You can even look at the upcoming episode titles and none of them seem relevant to Jasper.
I'm saying this as a massive Jasperfag, there is no way in hell she gets redeemed.
Ruby's are expendable tier, Pearl's were made to look pretty.
>could very well be a fashion choice
That is exactly what I'm saying.
Also, assuming Pearl is defective using the other definition, in what way could she possibly be defective?
a diamonds fashion choice means nothing for a pearl assigned to someone else. anyone else could still have a pearl with her pearl anywhere.
forehead gems aren't a direct link anyone to anyone else.
It doesn't matter, defect as a verb means a very different thing than having a defect as a noun. The simply do not mean the same thing and cannot be used interchangeably. It's an error.
There definitely are titles that could hint at Jasper returning.
>Alone At Sea
>The Kindergarten Kid
And others I'm not going to list lest everybody call me delusional. They're all going to be changed, anyway.
With everything that's been presented, there is nothing to indicate that Pearl is defective. If Pearl is built to be a servant then her learning how to fight and opposing Homeworld wouldn't necessarily indicate that she's going against her station. If Rose ordered her to do so then her not learning how to fight and not opposing Homeworld would make her defective. Either we don't have all the information on what exactly a Pearl's place in Gem society entails or, considering all the Utena references, there is some Rose Bride shit going on.
You're not going off facts, you're trying to deny facts. It's not just "semantics", the word used clearly does not mean what you're trying to claim it means. It's not up to fucking interpretation. A word has a definition, it means what it means.
>Alone at Sea
Anon, Lapis is at the barn in Barn Mates. There's no way that's going to be a Lapis episode. Also, this Stevenbomb had new titles we hadn't heard of before. Some of them were probably from the leaked list but got their name changed.
>Defective is the adjective form for defect
It depends a lot which form of the word is used, moron. There are two ways to use "defect", whether as a verb or as a noun, but "defective" only means "faulty" and has no connection to "defect" as verb, as you're trying to claim it would.
adjective: defective; adjective: mentally defective
1.imperfect or faulty.
"complaints over defective goods"
synonyms: faulty, flawed, imperfect, shoddy, inoperative, not working, not functioning, non-functioning, malfunctioning, out of order, unsound; More
weak, deficient, incomplete;
in disrepair, broken, cracked, torn, scratched, deformed, warped, buckled;
informalgone wrong, on the blink;
"a defective seat belt"
antonyms: working, perfect
lacking or deficient.
"dystrophin is commonly defective in muscle tissue"
synonyms: lacking, wanting, deficient, inadequate, insufficient, short, low, scant
"these methods are defective in strength and durability"
(of a word) not having all the inflections normal for the part of speech.
dated or offensive
having mental disabilities.
dated or offensive
noun: defective; plural noun: defectives; noun: mental defective; plural noun: mental defectives
a person with mental disabilities.
noun: defect; plural noun: defects
a shortcoming, imperfection, or lack.
synonyms: fault, flaw, imperfection, deficiency, weakness, weak spot/point, inadequacy, shortcoming, limitation, failing, obstruction; More
snag, kink, deformity, blemish, taint, crack, break, tear, split, scratch, chip, fracture, spot;
"a defect in the software"
verb: defect; 3rd person present: defects; past tense: defected; past participle: defected; gerund or present participle: defecting
abandon one's country or cause in favour of an opposing one.
"he defected to the Soviet Union after the war"
synonyms: desert, go over to the enemy, change sides/loyalties/allegiances, turn traitor, rebel, renege, abscond, go AWOL, quit, escape; More
shift ground, break faith, be apostate, apostatize;
abandon, renounce, repudiate, secede from, revolt against;
However, as you see, defectIVE only has a connection to defect as a noun, having a defect, being faulty. Not defecting as a verb.
You're trying to claim that it'd mean that Pearl "defected", which is simply wrong. It's not "semantics", it's not a matter of interpretation, you're wrong, full stop.
Jasper said, as her own opinion, that Pearl is "defective", which does NOT mean that she "has defected", it means that she has A defect in her eyes. This is the fact your'e trying to deny with holding on to "they said she defected, don't forget" bullshit.
It's absurd that you can't seem to get this through your skull.
>The next episode of Steven Universe airs in
> - unknown -
I really hate the way that the network have been handling the airing schedule for this show. It's just so fucking random and not even knowing how long I have to wait is pissing me off.
Why? Why can't we just have one episode each week like a normal show? I fucking hate this shit!
In Jasper's eyes she could be "defective" because she's not doing her job, she's not "functioning properly" as a pearl ought, but is instead taking liberties and trying to fight and getting above her station and outside of her assigned role in society. According to Peridot pearls are supposed to be quiet and pretty and obey orders and carry your things for you. Peridot also seems rather upset at Pearl being so assertive and talking back to her at first, so clearly it's not what pearls are supposed to do, it's not how they're supposed to act and be, which means that by HW standards Pearl is "wrong" or "faulty" or "malfunctioning"; defective.
Sure Rose might have okayed it but Peridot and Jasper don't know that.
HW seems extremely hierarchical, so a mere pearl stepping outside her role and infringing on quartz territory, fighting, might seem as an outrageous offense to Jasper.
In any case Pearl being "defective" is just Jasper's own opinion, so it could be it tells us more about Jasper and her worldview (and about the position of pearls in the HW hierarchy) than about Pearl herself.
Holy shit how are you people arguing over the word Defective.
She probably just meant that Pearl fights and thinks for herself and shit, which are all things Pearls aren't meant to do.
I don't think Lapis will be in the team with the CG. Or at least I hope she won't, she hates them too much whereas Jasper was mainly following orders. Also I'l remind you that all Lapis has done regarding the CG so far is scream at, attack, insult them and try to talk Steven into
a) not trusting the CG and
b) giving up the fight and surrendering to HW without a fight.
So she's not that much better than Jasper, she's just had more screentime. Personally I think Jasper might be easier to redeem than Lapis.
Eventually I think both will get redeemed, it's part of Steven walking in his mom's footsteps and starting the rebellion 2.0 or something, convincing gems to his cause - but I just wish both Jasper and Lapis will be given sufficient time to deal with their respective massive problems.
I would enjoy it if it plays to their personalities like Peridot's rationalization did. For Jasper, this would probably mean besting her strengthwise to the point she has to concede defeat. For Lapis I'm not sure what that would be,though/
Lapis already likes Steven and was willing to spend eternity trapped at the bottom of the sea in mental anguish. I don't think her redemption needs to be to trust the gems but rather to stop....that
Hit the Diamond is a baseball term, if it weren't a play on actual diamonds it wouldn't make any sense as a title, it would be too on the nose. that'd be like if "Marble Madness" was actually about the NES game, or "Warp Tour" was actually about the music tour.
I don't think she can come around to not hating the crystal gems until she gets closure for the whole 1000 years of mirror thing. So either them doing something big enough to make up for it, or evidence coming out they were innocent in her imprisonment.
You sound like someone who watches a scooby doo episode and when they fall into a viper pit before a commercial break you say "Oh jeez there's no WAY they're gonna get out of this one!!"
shitty analogy I don't even watch scooby doo and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be hard to get out of a viper pit but you know what I mean
Peridot mentioned a Beta kindergarden in It Could Have Been Great...so im guessing Beta pt1 focuses on that? and will probably see some light on that sphere thing in that one scene in Back 2 the Moon?
Pearls are one of the easiest gems to culture! Why in God's name is our Pearl an oval AND crowned (ringed)? Is she a natural pearl?
Is that sock-puppet a subtle Homestuck reference?
This is the best option.
We don't know much about Jasper, but Lapis has gone from "innocent mirror waifu dindu nuffin" to a living prison worse than the Gem she's trying to contain, despite Steven personally telling her to stop. She is no longer a victim of circumstances doing bad things out of desperation, she has picked a side.
Her characterization over the course of several episodes is like the reverse of Peridot getting more sympathetic as we learn more about her. Plus Lapis is just villain-tier powerful, no way is she joining the team without pulling a Magus.
If the Blue Diamond Fusion theory turns out to be true, Lapis could even kill half of BD and usurp her identity!
>He'll use his magic shield
>And fly across the sea
>On epic magic quest
>Stars glowing in his eyes
>Strike evil where it stands
>Pink lion by his side
This is some Dragonforce shit right here
This is some Dragonforce shit
Are you preparing for a run? Because you're doing a lot of stretching.
>The others against it but we not gonna do it alone
>Lapis, Jasper and Peri are in frame
>Peridot being against Crystal Gems is confirmed for pure lies
They all gonna be "redeemed" or rather befriended by Steven, because that's what Steven does
>Dear Old Dad song starts playing
>mfw don't have a dad
>the crewniverse pushing the homeworld trio this hard
>people seriously think Jasper will be let behind
I'm glad, honestly.
Jasper fought Rose's rebellion for thousands of years and was likely a strong asset to the opposing side, her joining the CG would ruin everything she fought for. It would take something remarkable for her to be redeemed. But I still believe she'll be an ally eventually, as she is a complicated character as Ian pointed out.
>wonder why this thread is so dead
>check out the catalog and find 2 more SU threads
Jesus. Mods have really given up.
>Just realized Lapis and Steven were looking at each other
>Someone in a previous thread brought up the topic of over arching episodes in Steven Universe to which I replied the majority of Steven Universe could be skipped. I know that people will be opposed to this opinion and it is open to improvement, but here's what I got so far.
There are better episodes that emphasize a looming threat other than Mirror Gem. You can skip over those episodes knowing that whatever character interactions in them are meaningless. The introduction of Lapis is forgettable even to the point that the writers have forgotten as well. In fact you can watch the entirety of Steven Universe in small increments skipping over most of the boring filler straight to episodes like
>"An Indirect Kiss"
>"Lion 3: Straight to Video"
>"On the Run"
>"Story for Steven"
>"Sworn to the Sword"
>"We Need to Talk"
>"When It Rains"
>"It Could've Been Great"
In some order akin to this I suppose. The list has room for improvement like adding the first episode for instance but I believe you can watch the series starting at "Serious Steven."
Jasper will never do a Vegeta.
She still has a homeworld, her people and the empire is still very much alive and active. She still has something to fight for.
I'm pretty sure that their entire expedition is "crush on sight" tier unwanted by HW after the latest Peridemption twist.
She has no home to go back to, and besides the ship is busted
The story fill feel like shit though. It's like reading the Reader's Digest "condensed" books, you might get a basic Cliffnotes idea of what the plot is like, but it'll ruin the pacing and the anticipation and you'll miss a lot.
A lot of the charm imo is based on comparing the turns to past struggles. If you only skip to the eps where something "happens", esp. based on some random anon's shitpost, you'll end up missing a lot.
>in4 some retard actually watches only those and then whines endlessly at the threads that he doesn't get something or something feels rushed or like it was sprung from nowhere, because they didn't watch the eps where it was prepped or dealt with
Where does the idea for Lapidot even come from? I've seen nothing in the show to support it, so is it just a crack ship? Even Pearlapis would be more likely, because despite Lapis hating Pearl, at least they both care deeply about Steven.
Also, would Steven and Lapis' fusion be between Garnet and Opal in terms of size? Would Pearl and Lapis be taller than Opal?
He is so fucking off key it's painful to listen to
>episode where Connie is taken captive by Homeworld/Yellow Diamond
>not only Steven is now forced to do everything he can to rescue her, but Yellow Diamond's also doing this as a test to see if Rose really has lost herself to human ways; it'd be smart to force him to do this alone because the other Crystals are little more than the fools who follow the fool
>oh shit, Connie's a competent swordfighter so maybe we can get a couple escape/fight scenes out of it; why even build up a character's strengths if you're just going to immediately forget about them the moment they're in distress? icing on the cake being Steven/Connie teamup
>Yellow Diamond starts to see some potential in Connie and starts obsessing over taking her in as an apprentice/protege, eventually making the Crystal Gems versus Homeworld conflict revolve around their respective poster-child which forces the Crystals to eventually build disdain for Connie
>we Romeo & Juliet/West Side Story now
>why am I allowed to come up with ideas
>it's only magic because the technology is so advanced
Just because they are aliens does not mean it isn't magic.
If all of their powers were due to only advanced tech then explain how their shapeshifting came about?
They are just rocks in their natural forms how can a rock build any kind of tech let alone tech that would allow them to change shape or generate hard light constructs?
This means that their powers predate any kind of tech.
They call it magic, the crew calls it magic, it's magic.
I guess we'll see when she joins, eh?
Peridot's personality morphed a lot from her initial appearance to her CG personality.
I'm more interested in how they'll explain her powers and if there's any limits to it.