ITT talk about what pisses you off about Steven Universe. I'll start, i hate that we'll get character "development" in one episode and then the characters will just reset in the next as if nothing happened
I thought it was gonna be a cool action show about magic and aliens with epic fights and Steven gradually mastering his power until he's doing cool shit in a couple seasons.
Then it turned out that stuff is at the very bottom of this show's list of priorities. And it's a loooonnng list.
Meddling from CN's retarded network executives is what pisses me off the most.
The bomb format is absolutely terrible and is the kind of thing you know only a fucking business major could think up.
Instead of characters and plots unfolding gradually over weeks and months of episodes, we get these sudden jerky jumps of development condensed over a single week, spread apart by weeks or months. It makes all the developments of the show feel less natural and more forced.
i also don't like amethyst, she's extremely thin-skinned and hypocritical for someone who makes fun of people a lot, and also didn't see the irony in her getting mad for rose being gone
>b-but that's what makes her real
Yhea a real piece of shit
I hate Lars, but at least Island Adventure was a good ep. There's NOTHING to like about Ronaldo, his gimmick was never funny and wears thin very fast. Dedicating entire episodes to him was a huge mistake.
I don't like Peridot becoming a Crystal Gem. Just like the above two, she's alright in small doses but her space-autism gets annoying very fast and I don't think I could take her being in every episode. I hope she either undergoes some major development (not being an autistic little twat all the time) or is more side-character status that shows up for an episode a few times per season.
Seriously this show needs to stop putting obnoxious characters in the spotlight. Early Amethyst episodes suffered from this too.
Fusion isn't utilized enough to make it even worth having and is a source of unnecessary drama.
Garnet could've been her own character only having to deal with the burden of leadership, but instead we have to take into acount the two gemlets' feelings as well.
The show would have more budget if it didn't spend it on VAs that won't make a second appearance.
Stevonnie wouldn't be a thing.
Malachite wouldn't be an issue and we'd still have Lapis and Jasper.
Sardonyx wouldn't be synonymous with rape.
We're in the age of binge-watching anon. Even if they didn't do bombs, everyone would just watch watch entire seasons at a time on Netflix/Hulu. Someone came up with the bombs as a ploy to tap into that habit.
I'm only a casual watcher, haven't seen every episode but...
- I kinda hate it in media when mystical stuff turns out to be aliens.
- I think the 11 minute runtime is hurting its ability to tell whatever story they're trying to tell. It wants to be both action/adventure but also SoL. It's like in one episode everyone's in panic mode because a giant monster is about destroy the earth but the next let's piss around while this alien learns about shipping.
- I say this as fan of the manga series "konjiki no gash" but there is TOO. MUCH. DAMN. CRYING in this show. Instead of 'have a character cry to emphasize the impact of the scene' it's 'have a character cry to indicate the impact of the scene'
Like i said though only a casual watcher. Probably to watch a few more episodes.
>ITT talk about what pisses you off about Steven Universe
Nothing. Ever. Happens.
There is 1 plot episode per block and nothing progresses.
"The Return" March 12, 2015
Lapis goes under
January 18 2016
Peridot on the team
Bitch is still underwater
If this show doesn't get canned the main quest will end in October 2038 ish
>crying that ruins the significance of actually dramatic scenes to the point where the crew actually mocks it
>11 minute runtime
>Sadie still existing
>characters almost never getting any consequences for the terrible things they do (Pearl especially, I'm surprised they let Garnet be mad in the Sardonyx episode, her bit in Rose's Scabbard was appalling)
>disguises filler episodes as important episodes because in the last two minutes something happens that alludes at something important to the overarching plot, which brings the pace of the show to an agonizing crawl (which kills interest newcomers have in the show)
>recent episodes don't seem to draw shadows for the characters half the time, which looks awful
All the forced gender identity bs and lesbian relationships. I also hate how the gems treat Greg. They are trying really hard to eliminate him from Steven's life and all he wants to do is be there for his son.
For a show with alt-history, we've taken exactly zero time to elaborate any major differences
>If this show doesn't get canned
M8. That's never happening. Sugar is an Adventure Time alumni and because of that, Steven Universe will get milked until it milk become expire and when it reach the expire date Cartoonnetwork will add chocolate syrup to make the expire milk taste deceptively sweet. It'll become a franchise zombie.
I really hate Ronaldo, the crew tried way too hard to make him funny and in RT/CS all his shit was cringey for the wrong reasons.
I really hope we get the old Peridot back, before she was a screaming midget Yaoi Fangirl she was a decent character (even if we didn't know much)
I blame Zuke for trying to mold her character too much.
Pearl, shut the fuck up.
Garnet is not as cool now that she is just a vehicle for muh lesbians, it's as contrived as korrasami because I see no reason why she is the perfect relationship. Also, why is Pearl afraid of two midgets?
She reeks of Invader Zim. Where as before she was a pretty competent and sometimes intimidating alien antagonist (something cool that IZ did sometimes), now she's just a shrill, shrieking girl-Zim and I hate it.
Exactly how I felt about that documentary episode. I just cringed a lot through the whole thing and waited for it to be over because something good might have happened. It's just horrible how hard they are trying with him.
Excuse me this is a hate thread. Please fuck off.
So what else do we hate about this show?
I hate how Steven pretty much stays the same. He never matures or gets older.
I hate how they cry all the time. I don't need an indicator telling me when to feel sad.
>Ronaldo based episodes
I don't hate Ronaldo but dedicating entire episodes to his character is a terrible idea.
The koreans who animate this show make everything too floaty in my personal opinion.
This show could be even better then it is if it had a longer runtime. Episodes like It Could Have Been Great felt like they ended too soon or that we didn't see enough because of runtime.
>>disguises filler episodes as important episodes because in the last two minutes something happens that alludes at something important to the overarching plot, which brings the pace of the show to an agonizing crawl (which kills interest newcomers have in the show)
This drives me crazy.
Sadie and Lars episodes are the worst.
Inconsistent art direction: I get what they were going for and theoretically it could work but despite giving the artist some free range the animation of the show usually ranges from decent to god awful.
>The koreans who animate this show make everything too floaty in my personal opinion.
On top of that, they don't even have any hard height measurements for the characters. Instead they have general guidelines like "[x] is taller than [y], but shorter than [z]". Every now and then I pick up on something relating to their apparent sizes that just seems "off", and the fact that there isn't any solid framework for their basic heights seems like a contributing factor.
>they waste an entire episode rehashing the premise of "Too Many Birthdays", but with less melodrama
>meanwhile it's nearly a year since Jasper got dragged into the fucking sea and still no development with that
Remember when people thought Peridot was gonna be a more cold-hearted version of Pearl who joked every once and awhile and idolized YD?
Instead of Invader Zim with a dash of Gay shipping and fangirling over YD
But isn't the Gem Empire a rigidly hierarchical and oppressive dystopia on a galactic-scale that operates on a caste system and the exploitation of colonies? Pretty sure ol' Rebecca is trying to say a society of all women would be a nightmare.
I've never watched the show but the people who hate it are extremely obnoxious and won't stop going on about how balls it is
so that's what I hate about Steven Universe. The hatedom. I hate you, OP.
Rambo cries at the end of First Blood, is First Blood a tumblr movie now?
It's like they wanted to give her the voice of a boy going through some pretty bad puberty, which lets them both say that Ruby is a progressive "butch" lesbian and also perhaps plausibly deny that it's a girl in other countries. Like, this show already has girls kissing, they should have had the confidence/bravery to give Ruby some more overtly female traits instead of just play it safe. Ruby's design just makes her look like a tiny little tomboy tyke, if I didn't know all gems are female I would assume she was a boy.
And dear god I hate her singing voice. It's an earsore when she's singing in the same song as Sapphire.
I'm starting to get really pissed about how they deal with villains. They're hyped up, and then minutes after being introduced they're turned into total jokes. Yellow Diamond is so far the worst offender. Like how the fuck am I supposed to take her seriously when her first appearance is her beign mocked and then making a stupid face?
And I personally liked Peridot better as an adorable villain over a literal midget that serves as a fish out of water story.
None of those are buzzwords and they're all correct, tumblrite
>Stevonnie the androgynous fusion of Steven and Connie was a big game changer character, did you expect the kind of reaction to Stevonnie received? What do you love about Stevonnie? Is Stevonnie agender or bigender…. or is gender is even a concern in Steven Universe?
>Rebecca Sugar: Stevonnie is an experience! The living relationship between Steven and Connie. What I love about Stevonnie is that we are working with a metaphor that is so complex and so specific but also really, really relatable, in the form of a character. Stevonnie challenges gender norms as an individual, but also serves as a metaphor for all the terrifying firsts in a first relationship, and what it feels like to hit puberty and suddenly find yourself with the body of an adult, how quickly that happens, how it feels to have a new power over people, or to suddenly find yourself objectified, all for seemingly no reason since you’re still just you… and they are still just them, they’re Steven and Connie who you already know and relate to, and if you do you can feel, for this episode, what all of those feelings are like. And they feel it too and that stays with them. I knew that was bound to be interesting to people, for at least one of all those reasons!
Outside of the show, the writers' bizarre refusal to admit it's a show about lesbians and all the magic space rocks just /happen/ to look female and use female pronouns for some reason.
Inside the show, there are some characters I can't stand. Modern Ruby and Sapphire can't focus on anything other than each other for half a minute, leading me to believe they've got some unhealthy co dependence shit going on (that the show will never acknowledge). Then there is Renaldo, who doesn't really have any redeeming qualities, when even fucking Lars shows a little potential here and there. Onion just seems like a creepy little weirdo and has no purpose. And Lapis is currently a seriously OP grade A moron with a martyr complex, but I'm waiting to see what the writers do with her.
No, I mean on how repressive and destructive Gem culture is.
They were going to destroy Ruby for an accident and she was totally alright with it, since they hold no sense of individuality.
They destroy other planets and cultures without remorse.
And there's not room for stepping out of your set path, as with Pearl, which is just suppose to be a companion and servant.
So are the DCAU shows under that "logic".
Except they only appeared in like two episodes. If you take every acknowledgement of trans people as "tumblr", I guess all ancient civilisations are Tumblr now.
>And I personally liked Peridot better as an adorable villain over a literal midget that serves as a fish out of water story.
Ditto. The last three episodes did make me feel a bit better about her transition to "reluctant defector", but I still wish she was an active antagonist. Likewise I really fucking hope they don't try to redeem Jasper as well. She has far less reason to flip sides, and if the show is going to have the looming menace of Homeworld as a factor anyway, then having an active agent of that force on Earth really helps impress the severity of that threat, in a way that doesn't feel forced. And trying to force things is one of the show's worst recurring problems, even if the staff does seem to be growing aware of it.
Disagree. I think all the main crystal gems are overtly female. They're definitely girls, from a glance. Jasper could be mistaken for a man maybe. Peridot is pretty androgynous, I can give you that. Lapis literally an anime waifu drawn in a more Western style.
Steven's one of those MCs where the damage doesn't last long.
Sure he gets beat up and told some dark shit one episode, the next it's all better.
Steven isn't gonna get long term damage to his physical or mental state.
>ancient culture has androgynous/hermaphroditic entity as part of a larger creation myth to explain the world around them at a time when scientific understanding was in its infancy/still gestating
>Steven Universe features character of questionable gender, because being confused about gender is what the kids are into these days, and the show's staff has to offer some "statement" about it in order to appeal to their demographic, while also trying to ingratiate themselves into it and deny the fact that they're no longer children themselves
It's about nuance.
Nigga, gems going around aliens planets and killing all their inhabitants and using up all there resources is one of the biggest plot points of the show. Their society literally expands through war.
Estelle has a very narrow range - works most of the time because Garnet has a very narrow emotional range, but not in heated scenes.
Nobody gives a fuck about Lars. Nobody gives a fuck about Sadie. They are not interesting characters. They work as background anchors of normalicy, but not for whole episodes.
Connie is often used as an uninteresting writer insert.
There aren't really any 'manly' characters on the show at all. It would be nice to see Greg having some more moments of stepping in to dispense the murdercock's justice like the van-meets-watersteven thing.
Greg's voice reminds me of Rich Evans.
Memorable fights are rare - presumably gem vs gem fights are expensive to make.
Jasperedemption probably won't happen.
Yellow Diamond's neck.
The Sugolite episode felt kinda preachy in the 'body positivity' sense, probably not intentionally. Being strong in the real way is fine and dandy, but being strong in the actual way is nice too.
Fandom's full of pedos.
The implication that Steven won't grow up is concerning on a number of levels. Is it a power thing?
We'll probably never have a cool timeskip.
That's all I got for now.
God I love the show though.
The sad thing with Pearl is that she often does have legitimate reasons to be angry, or angsty, or whatever, but the show's handling of any deeper emotions is always so fucking hamfisted that instead of coming across as sympathetic, she just seems like a massive asshole. You have to step back and try to figure out what the actual, mishandled /intent/ was, for it to not all ruin her character. I think this is another problem the staff might finally have realized, but now they're working against a lot of existing damage.
I like Lars and Sadie together, although less so separated. I think their whole episodes are good when they're together.
>fandom's full of pedos
Fandom's full of shippers. That just happens to occasionally dip into disturbing waters for the sake of shipping. Also technically Steven isn't young enough for 'pedo' to apply anymore, particularly given that in Canada, he would now be legal about eight years ago.
>Jasperedemption probably won't happen.
I certainly fucking hope this is the case. The show needs a presence it can latch the menace of the Homeworld empire onto, and having Jasper as an antagonistic force on Earth is a way better option than cutting to Yellow Diamond now and then to show her plotting like Rita Repulsa on the fucking moon.
>When they try to be cute or emotional they end up being cringey as fuck
>When they try to be cringy they end up making something cute
So an empire that has conquered a few galaxies and keeps expanding just goes and declares war against a bunch of civilizations that have never even left their planets?
Man, what a bunch of pussies.
I dont think there's any way they could do it well at this point. We've spent like 8 episodes getting Peri converted, if there's another 8 for Jasper and maybe like 4 for Lapis since she's already partially on-side, it'll be lightyears before we get to advancing the actual plot.
I think Jasper could bring a degree of sobriety and weight to the cast that it's missing, personally, I just dont see a good way to make it happen.
I do think, however, that the cluster is an adequate threat for now.
The only bit I've seen of SU is the Uncle Grandpa crossover and I can easily say the absolute worst part of SU is the anti-fandom.
The ones who go out of their way to insult the show and fucking shadow-box.
If you don't like the show, it's fine, but it seems like SU has a group of people dedicated to fill every thread with how much they don't like the show.
Like I said, I've seen all of one episode so I don't have a dog in this fight, and from what I've seen, it's a decent show, nothing spectacular, but fuck me is it really worth people's time to just constantly shit on it?
This doesn't apply to tumblr's faggotry, but then again give me one fandom on tumblr that isn't fucking retarded.
This. People here are discussing actual flaws, but there are some people who just shitpost "faggot tumblrverse" and can't stand the fact that people like something they don't like.
It reminds me of earlier episodes. I'm not opposed to their slice of life problems and drama. One of my favourite things about the show is that we're given glimpses of BC's characters and helps keep the show grounded instead of 24/7 space rock problems giving the impression that it's a miracle these people can work together at all.
The biggest issue with me is that Lars doesn't seem to ever advance. Their non-relationship relationship would be better if we actually got glimpses of him not being an awful person after he supposedly learns his lessons.
I feel like Lars as a character is constantly shat on from a height. He's also one of the most 'normal' characters we've had more than a basic interaction with.
He's just a dude in his early 20s who wants to be accepted. I kinda just wanna see him succeed at something. Everything he does is bad and everyone hates him for it all the time.
Considering "being tumblr" started out as "pandering to a specific group solely for the sake of being progressive" and slowly turned into "not being racist" then finally "stop liking what I don't like" being tumblr has lost all meaning.
It's the same with Rick And Morty and Reddit.
At least "being tumblr" has some semblance of meaning and in some cases valid criticism.
Being "Reddit" is just "I don't like this because it's popular, so I'll just call it Reddit".
The most powerful being in the SU isn't even a direct part of the SU.
I bet the Diamonds are desperate to destroy Earth BECAUSE Uncle Grandpa lives there... they are terrified of him.
The development usually do carry over, but you have to remember that people usually don't just change over night. Character change takes time, and as so will take a couple of episodes to show any significant difference in their personality. If they didn't take this time, it would be just as badly written as if they didn't change at all.
Episodes 100% percent focused on the human residents of beach city with no supernatural element whatsoever, ie Sadie's Song and joking victim, are absolute shit but I miss episodes that were all about the ordinary and the supernatural colliding, ie Frybo and Keep Beach City Weird.
My older sister likes to watch SU with her kids and that's how I started watching it and I've TOLD her that the creators said all the Gems are supposed to be female, and she says she gets it but when she talks about the show to her ex-husband she says shit like "but if you go by gender roles Ruby and Jasper would technically be guys because they're more masculine" she's fucking crazy but yeah if they're supposed to be female don't make it ambiguous
You probably think tumblr created doge too, idiot.
Yes, an episode. One. And it wasn't even a canon episode. He has no merit in this conversation as he doesn't understand why people hate SU and /sug/ to begin with.
I've never watched an episode of that RBWY shit and sure people hate that general for good reasons but I'm not about to head over and give my piece on something I know nothing about, because I'm not a fag.
>Actual full on crying is pretty rare
see >>79097085, there's an even bigger one someone else that I can't find at the moment
>inb4 t-those don't count!!
Isn't Ruby supposed to be a fighter though.
All of the fighty gems are butch as fuck.
What are you trying to say, Sugar? You have to have "MUSCLES" to be a warrior???
my god, am I the only one who hates Rose?
She's too mary sue-ish in my opinion. She's presented as some kind of mesaiah, even has some herd of gems blindly following her. And most of all, she's really really creepy. Even though she seems to be so enchanted, sensitive etc, it feels to me all she cares is herself. She's a femme mr. popo with some psycho agressive fangirls working for her.
I really hate how Steven being alone with any other Gem is always about Homeworld or Rose
Jesus fucking christ we get it Rose was a sexy MILF who loved everything and Homeworld is evil, can he actually bond with someone on Earth over something
On The Road was seriously the biggest fucking bait and switch in the show
>but it seems like SU has a group of people dedicated to fill every thread with how much they don't like the show.
Bitch every show/fandom has this
Anti-brownies usually end up being more autistic than bronies themselves
What is wrong with crying? Isn't it just good if a show can show how people would actually react in a situation? It's just an emotional act like any other. It's like saying the characters are smiling too much.
Regardless, I personally don't count welling tears to be full on crying until they start streaking down or last more than a second or two.
>all of the gems who physically fight have muscles
Wow what a shock
The human race is irrelevant. Seriously, are we supposed to believe government militaries around the world are blsisfully unaware of the gems, or that they haven't reverse-engineered their technology?
Yes that is literally what I'm saying without a single ounce of irony. The only time I've ever been more serious is when my parents died of cancer.
I hate how inconsistent it is. For example, Pearl is weak the whole show and couldn't even take down a single Jasper then in "The Answer" she took down multiple quartz gems. which I think two of the guards were Jaspers
Another thing that bothering me is all the obvious lesbian shit that will never go anywhere because Sugar doesn't seem to realize that CN doesn't want to take the chance of pissing off soccer moms.
I assumed they were just aristocrats that only existed to inherently be better then everyone and go to parties and not much else. If that's not the case then yeah that seems pretty iffy.
11 minute runtime is often very limiting
Steven voice is borderline painful, doubly so because his 'puberty voice' that we heard recently is a massive improvement. His character in the earlier episodes is extremely obnoxious. Nothing illustrates this more than the old intro where he's eating a fucking hotdog.
The way MUH LORE is drip-fed is extremely contrived. Steven should be curious about his legacy and of the gem worlds and even if he isn't it should be in the CG's best interests to educate him about what he's fighting for anyway.
Musical segments are usually shit and Pearl's the only VA who I actually enjoy hearing sing.
Yellow Giraffe's design is shite
Writers obviously not giving a shit about details like Lapis managing to broadcast a message to an analog television
I'm starting to raise my eyebrow at the idea that each and every gem takes a female form. Really? If the entire race is genderless and their bodies are just projections, why not make a dude?
Fucking this, either go big and let us see some homos or stop splashing it around everywhere
>that will never go anywhere
Where do you want it to go, exactly?
Dudes dont exist in homeworld. They dont know what a dude is.
It's like if we met a tri-gendered alien species and they were like 'I mean seriously, are NONE of you guys thr'aam?'
Your definition of mary sue is skewed. The point was that up until that point, she had viewed human men as sort of like toys or... pets, to play with. She was largely mimicking how she expected a working relationship to work, and was getting confused when things weren't going as expected.
The very definition of being a mary sue is being WITHOUT FLAWS. Being good or perfect at everything. That is not what Rose was. The more we learn about Rose, the more we understand that the rose-tinted view of Rose through the Gems isn't exactly how she actually was, and that she actually did have flaws.
She broadcasted it to the wailing stone. Greg routed it through a tonne of shit and fiddled with loads of settings before it worked. He had to use his equipment to act as an adapter.
The fandom wants too many characters at this point to become main characters for an 11 minute show and it's gonna backfire specatuarlly . Not even Japer but fucking Lapis calls Earth a miserable planet and just wants to go home. We're gonna get an episode that puts the homeworld gems and any redeemed monster gems put on the bus for a while and the shit storm is gonna be glorious.
>Writers obviously not giving a shit about details like Lapis managing to broadcast a message to an analog television
Lapis broadcasted a message to a wailing stone, Peridot broadcasted a message to an analog television. Also the Gems never educated him because the gem worlds are space nazis and the gems are modern Germany. They're too afraid to even talk about that shit.
That's Mirror Gem, anon was talking about The Return.
Unless you were that anon and you were talking about Mirror Gem then the whole two episodes were specifically about the town people freaking out that the tourists were ABOUT to come, but they have nothing to offer them because the ocean is gone.
>No naked Peridot.
Technically she's always naked except that time she wore Greg's underwear.
lars and the cool kids
on the run
keeping it togheter
CHILLE FUKCING TIDE
these are the ones i can think of
It's still crying you sophist. Stop trying to brush off that critique.
>Isn't it just good if a show can show how people would actually react in a situation?
People don't shed tears during every situation
>It's like saying the characters are smiling too much.
Smiling is more common than crying. You realize regular people don't cry at the drop of a dime, right anon?
Hell it especially shouldn't be aliens that are thousands of years old.
Okay I guess what I meant to say is Greg being able to convert wailing stone signal into analog NTSC is bullshit.
You seem passive aggressive.
Probably a woman?
>Jasperedemption probably won't happen.
Come on we all know Lapis/Peridot/Jasper redemption was going to happen from their introduction.
>The implication that Steven won't grow up is concerning on a number of levels. Is it a power thing?
It's his powers yes he will probably start aging normally if he matures emotionally to match.
>We'll probably never have a cool timeskip.
IIRC they said they wanted to do one at some point. It will probably only happen at the end of the series though.
>It's still crying you sophist. Stop trying to brush off that critique.
It's a bad critique when you treat all crying as exactly the same. Some tears at the corner of your eye is not the same as full out bawling. Your whole post is based on exaggerations.
>People don't shed tears during every situation
You're implying the characters shed tears in every situation. They don't. But your "critique" is based on this exaggerated idea, and then shitting your pants when people don't play along and then you go find some anons who would.
Lars has got no redeeming values. Ugly kid, probably went punk or whatever his style is, because that's the only style that fits his ugly shape. Works at a donut shop on a 2-persons shift that could be be handled by Sadie alone. Oh, wait: "Work"? I meant: Listen to music, sleeps and lets Sadie do most of the job, expecially the cleaning. Liar, hypocrite, and so on. Treats Sadie like shit. Is overalll a sad weak fellow who'd just like to be one of the cool kids without having what it takes.
>But dat just makes him moar human
Right! If I wanted "human", I wouldn't watch some damn cartoons about sentient jewelry
The gems aren't regular people, or even regular gems. I mean Garnet's good together, though she has some issues, but Pearl and Amethyst have some sort of mental issues. Steven is a kid, he's a bit old to be crying this much still but kids cry a lot.
I think the runtime is too limited for the stories the show wants too tell. Also I'm not fond of Onion as a character.
As for the fandom I seem to be more likely to run into people complaining about the fandom than I run into more vocal fans, so I can see where those points are coming from.
>Right! If I wanted "human", I wouldn't watch some damn cartoons about sentient jewelry
Then watch a different cartoon instead of the one that's about appreciating humanity for what it is.
I didn't make it man. My best guess would be that the point is that green episodes are joke crying and black episodes are no crying, to contrast with serious emotional moments of tearing or crying as some kind of... argument against dumb "every single episode has crying" posters?
Ah you're right, I didn't realize winter and New Years already passed before The Return
>Lapis/Jasper (Abusive though)
Times writers threw fans a bone for shipping fuel or moments that could be taken as intimate relationship:
Sugilite and Opal are literally the only fusions in the show out of like what, eight? That represent actual strength and power and aren't just a metaphor for something about love, relationships, or sex.
Came here to say this
Her conflict with Peridot is revolved around her getting mad at Peridot simply stating facts, right after Amethyst herself was laughing at what Peridot was saying about Steven and Garnet.
Also Peridot wanting to be friends with Amethyst kinda feels like a thickly-veiled bait for shippers to boot
Other than that, characters drop meta comments too much, namely Steven and Connie.
what lesson has she learned that she's forgotten about?
>what is and is not a weapon
>not to be afraid of rain
>to trust steven
>that some pearls are ok, even if they're just pearls
>that amethyst is sensitive, plz no bully
>not to insult Rose Quartz if you want to live
>that there are somethings on earth worth protecting
>that Yellow Diamond is a Clod
>that Percy x Pierre is OTP
>that fusion can be something more than just a battle strategy
The fat purple bitch pisses me off to no end. I can't even begin to describe why, just the way she talks and acts makes me unfathomably mad. Oh, and the fans are obnoxious
I only watched the first 20 episodes or so
>look me I'm playing the semantics game durr hurr hurr
>It's a bad critique when you treat all crying as exactly the same
In this show it usually is. Not counting "joke tears" obviously, but it's still too damn much.
>You're implying the characters shed tears in every situation. They don't.
They do. 39 episodes is most of the goddamn series. Not even the most melodramatic anime has characters cry that much.
They're supposed represent how Rebecca was to her younger brother and the crew puts parts of their personality into the characters. In all intents and purposes, they're regular people.
>They're supposed represent how Rebecca was to her younger brother and the crew puts parts of their personality into the characters. In all intents and purposes, they're regular people.
Rebecca is Sadie, and Pearl and Amy clearly aren't normal people. Especially Pearl she's a fucking landmine of issues.
Well Yellow Diamond DID massively shatter her image of her, all the things she'd been taught or learned of her.
Peridot's whole thing is that the Earth can be useful, which is why she liked the colony idea so much. But spending time on Earth has let her figure out that there is more than one way for the Earth to be useful because of its unique properties. She seems to rediscover her logic and rationality, and expects Yellow Diamond to share her understanding if the situation is properly explained. What she witnesses is that Yellow Diamond is nothing like what she thought. She wasn't rational, and she was acting in a way that directly opposed being an efficient decider, even displaying signs that emotions were overriding reason.
That revelation was enough to push Peridot over the edge, being that who she was following, who she was loyal to, was absolutely nothing like she thought, and furthermore had nothing in common with Peridot either.
Insults slip out really easily when you're suddenly feeling a lot of emotions, when you're upset.
>In this show it usually is.
I'm not going to play along just because it's the easy way for you to insist on your exaggeration. "There's TWO WHOLE TEARDROPS on the frame that's EXACTLY the same as someone bawling like a baby" no. You're going to have to do better than argue in a way that's completely reliant on me being retarded.
>to trust steven
She didn't in message received
>that some pearls are ok, even if they're just pearls
The "lesson" was supposed to be to not under estimate someone , which she still does ("you guys don't know what you're doing" and all that)
>not to insult Rose Quartz if you want to live
Another example of regression of the other characters.
This. I mean for example in that pic of ruby with tears in her eyes, its not like the entire episode revolves around that. People remember that episode cause of the song. When you think of horror club, do you think of Ronaldo bawling his eyes out for 11 minutes? No.
I don't know why it bothers people so much Did you know there crying in almost every episode of We Bare Bears by that logic? Besides threes been no actual crying for like 10 episodes, unless you count baby steven.
>She didn't in message received
She didn't because the events of It Could Have Been Great caused her to conclude that they weren't thinking rationally and she should take matters into her own hands.
>The "lesson" was supposed to be to not under estimate someone , which she still does ("you guys don't know what you're doing" and all that)
The lesson was to not underestimate someone because of the circumstances of their birth, not because of something they're actively doing. Peridot thought there was no way a Pearl could accomplish anything, she was wrong, and in later episodes, she's shown being a lot more respectful of Pearl (though she doesn't understand her, per se).
>Another example of regression of the other characters.
Regression how? The other characters have always been very staunch on the issue of "don't insult Rose." You can imply she wasn't perfect (Garnet has), but do you really think that the Gems are just gonna stand by and let someone flat-out say "she's an idiot and she did everything wrong and now we're all gonna die and it's her fault and you were fighting for nothing?" None of the characters have ever suggested that they'd be willing to stand for that.
>Rebecca is Sadie
From the creator:
>Yes! Steven is based off my brother Steven, and Garnet Amethyst and Pearl are all ways I act around Steven... sometimes I'm overprotective, sometimes I don't have to care what he thinks... I always want to be like Garnet, but I probably am never that cool.
>There's TWO WHOLE TEARDROPS on the frame that's EXACTLY the same as someone bawling like a baby."
I didn't say that. I said they cry too much. Nice attempt at a strawman, though.
Cry, weeb, wail, bawl, snivel, sob, etc. all mean the same thing.
You're basically going
>a-HA! They're shedding tears AND sniffling in this scene, making it sniveling, not crying!!
In an attempt to try to divy up how many times they cry in this show. Intellectual gerrymandering.
What a fucking awful fanbase.
>I don't think I could take her being in every episode
Uh you know this has already been revealed not to be happening right? If you watch the "lil' butler" episode, obviously it's a metaphor for Amethyst (dropped on their doorstep, now he does lowly tasks for them, dressed in purple) but it's also a metaphor for the whole show: for example Amethyst points out that in the pilot they didn't even have the dog (lion) yet, only a cat (cookie cats being later replaced by lion lickers is a central theme, and also dogcopter appears in every Lion-centric episode). Only a moron would think that somehow crying breakfast friends, dogcopter, and the "Percy and Pierre" thing are metaphors for the show while other shows-within-the-show mean nothing.
And Amethyst mentions how it all starts getting really good in season three, when the richingtons move next door. Oh and this is the episode with the fucking totem!!! (pic related). It's very straightforward to piece together that a new status quo will be reached with two separate but equal teams of "good guys", the main characters in the temple and their "neighbours" someplace else.
No, they don't really. Cry and weep, sure. Wail and bawl and sob, sure. But cry and sob? Bawl and weep? No.
They are not the same.
I understand what you're trying to get at, but what you're saying is wrong. Say there are too many scenes with tears, because it is not the same fucking thing as there being too many scenes with crying. Say there are too many emotionally sad moments if you must, that would work too. But too much crying simply isn't fucking valid, because tears and crying AREN'T THE SAME FUCKING THING.
My issue isn't with what you're arguing, it's what you're saying. I will argue this with anyone on any fandom - SAY what you MEAN. Exaggeration and oversimplification should not be overused in this way, when you're trying to argue something seriously.
same diff IMO
Peridot was taught that Rose was a traditor on homeworld and Garnet originally wanted to stop the rebels as Ruby because she didn't know anything about her.
They don't really decide what they look like, their form seems to be imprinted and if they try to deviate from that too much it becomes problematic like in the episode with the slinker.
>mfw the thread topic is cancer
>mfw people crying about people crying
>mfw people cry about gay space rocks
>>In a show about gay space rocks
>mfw people imply season 1 was good
>garnet got a new outfit when she reformed from the reformed Ruby and Sapphire, but Opal and Sugilite haven't, even though Pearl and Amethyst have reformed at some point
This tickles me in an unfortunate way.
Season one had its high and low points, same as any other show. Early season one wasn't as good as late season one.
They're all synoyms. They mean the same damn thing. "Weep" is in the defintion of "bawl" when you look it up in the dictionary. "Cry" is also in thr definition for "tear."
You're being anal about this becase you won't admit that SU characters cry too much.
I honestly can't show SU to any of my friends, because eventually they'll discover the self-hating fandom and feel alienated.
Steven himself is the most obnoxious part of the entire cartoon.
>Modern Ruby and Sapphire can't focus on anything other than each other for half a minute, leading me to believe they've got some unhealthy co dependence shit going on (that the show will never acknowledge).
they're fused 99% of the time
I also LUL over the fact that people cry over SU characters behaving irrationally when that's the very thing that makes them human and more relatable than if they were cold, calculated machines.
>>>>>>REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE
>mfw it's subtext, faggot
I'm being anal about it because this is who I am. There's no other reason.
Just because something is synonymous does not mean it has the same impact. Cold is synonymous with glacial, but do you think they mean the same thing? If you do, you really shouldn't, because they mean different things. Glacial is really really REALLY cold. Cold is just cold.
Similarly, crying is really sad, whereas tearing is just sad. Bawling is really really really sad.
There are different ways to express the same thing, which will cause them to get grouped together, but being in the same group does not mean that they are the same, just as you should not judge an entire fanbase based on one or three individuals, given that there may yet be unspoken separate sects within that fanbase which may have more or fewer individuals that may believe a particular thing.
Do SU characters tear up a lot compared to other shows? Yes. Do they rely on sadness for a lot of the emotional impact? Yes. I CAN admit these things, because they are correct to admit. Do I think it happens TOO often? Well, no, but that's my opinion--although I can see why others might think it does.
They did though. Check Opal in the recent episode. They're minor differences but they did change.
This thread is petering out, come on crying SU fans, i need more.
WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO TELL THE KID ABOUT THE SAIYANS
Oh fuck, you're right. I guess I'm just blind.
I appreciate you and your post, anon. Thank you for proving me wrong.
Eh this thread is honestly a lot more calm than i expected coming in. Usually people tell sugar to kill herself and shit.
It's a constany irrationality and not learning from their mistakes and not having more wisdom than they already should being as old as they are.
Also since when is being "human" a valuable trait? Pedophilia is human.
Some people I see critique Steven Universe never really addresses the elephant in the room that has plagued the series for me at least since season two. That being Steven ability to control his powers indefinitely under his own will. This has always bothered me considering it came almost out of no where.
Yeah you could say he just had to dig deep like in "The Return" or maybe even "Say Uncle" but it hasn't been addressed how or why. It saddens me to think that everything just happens off screen and we as the viewer just has to accept it.
I also hate the pacing of the series, nothing ever happens when you need it to. The show is bogged down with disgusting filler, and yes I said filler. The show is mostly episodic, I don't give a damn how much of you call filler 'world building' and 'characterization' it still remains trivial padding that hurts the series. Especially when the Beach City residences have almost nothing to offer on their own. I rather have the series revolve around the interactions of Steven and the Gems.
Speaking of Steven, it saddens me to see him regulated as a secondary character now instead of the main protagonist. I've said this time and time again and it bares repeating. Long is dead the story about a boy who aspires to be like the heroes he idolize, now the series has drastically changed to this god awful soap that forces drama where it's unneeded.
Matter fact the tone of the show is something to talked about on its own merits. It's just a mess, the writers can't keep the manner of which this story is told consistent. Characters will often argue among each other for episodes on end then go about business as if nothing happened. It feels cheap just to introduce drama for the sake of drama. There's more I can go into but I won't for obvious reasons.
The bomb format is like the bastard child of traditional TV watching and Netflix-era binging. And meeting the two halfway isn't the best of both worlds, it's the worst of both.
The bomb format would MAYBE work if it was Netflix-style, a whole season all at once (or even a half-season, i.e. 26 episodes, 11 minutes each) but the five-episode blocks suck.
>Lapis was trapped in a mirror for 100s of years
>expect her to get over it in 2 episodes
>implying most people are evil or pedophiles
This whole show is a waste compared to the time we could be using to instead lean a useful skill.
But you're here on Co talking about a kids show, so let's not kid ourselves buddy.
>People who find the Gems attractive
>Ruby's shit voice actress
>The long breaks between episodes artificially elongating the series
>The fandom in general
>The fact that it's opening the floodgates for much worse, actual SJW fueled cartoons to permeate the market
It feels like a show made by the most obnoxious type of limp wristed sanfran vegan hippies. All the pretentious references to abstract mystical mythology and focus on stupid shit like crystals and gems only dumb bimbos would think is interesting, the focus on a fucking pathetic but "sensitive indigo child" protagonist, the focus on feelings over actually fucking doing shit (an entire bomb was dedicated to two characters feeling sorry for themselves because OH NO I HAD SEX UNDER FALSE PRETENSES, BOOOHOOOO), the half assed attempt at inclusivity where they never really actually do anything multicultural and just have a bunch of pet minorities all over the place, and the overall sense of utter weakness and complacency the show emanates is fucking weird.
It feels like a show made by a bunch of liberal weirdos who dont realize how fucking weird their tendencies actually are to everyone else who actually has a spine. And I'm not even republican, but holy shit, they're not even millenials, they're full on THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUS tier HIPPIES.
My personal understanding, and part of why I appreciate the show, is that they flesh out the Beach City characters so that the weight of what's being threatened feels that much greater. If it were just some random bystanders, the impact wouldn't be as great, but we're treated to these people, their lives and families, and are expected to understand that they ARE people with their own lives, so that when they face danger, it actually feels like it's dangerous.
But that's probably just me.
>Regardless of world building or character development still "disgusting filler"
>MC aint Goku, he's 14 and just recently got control of his defensive abilities
>show is about gay space rocks
>More to go into, wont for obvious reasons
>THIS IS A HATE THREAD
A useful skill... to whom?
Someone other than yourself? Why should they matter?
Why would the skill be useful to you when you can just sit around and enjoy life's necessities without having to put any of the work into acquiring them for yourself?
I meant the crystal gems.
It's not desirable to watch losers, jerks, door mats, social awkward, petty and unwise people interact with each other.
The Rape of Nanking was also a human experience.
Don't wanna hurt the kiddies feeling who lurk around these critique threads but actually can't handle other's opinions.
Steven's powers have been showing growth quite a bit. He summons his shield for the first time on demand in Ocean Gem, summons it for a prolonged period in The Return with some effort, summons it effortlessly in Sworn to the Sword, and makes multiples in Friend Ship. Hell, he even says that three shields in one day is more or less his personal record and it wore him out.
>mfw coming from the guy in a hate thread
Coming from the guy that shits on other people when they give their opinion after you give your own
I wish it just ran like a regular show, the pacing is fucked and everything else suffers because of it.
Also Garnet is a boring fucking flawless character. Pearl and Amethyst are interesting because they have their own insecurities. But we know for a fact Garnet is this idyllic, perfect existence. She's just boring. Her being a fusion doesn't take the place of actual flaws and personal problems that all characters have.
I also hate that apparently Steven is the least-curious kid in the fucking universe. He doesn't ask any questions that are so fucking obvious. He doesn't mention shit like the Bismuth inside Lion, he doesn't ask really important questions he absolutely should be asking about the Earth, Homeworld, Gems, the Crystal Gems, the corrupted Crystal Gems, his mother, his father, Lapis, the temple, the rebellion, Beach City, etc. I know the show has to maintain a certain pace and not everything can just be answered at once in one massive exposition dump but holy fucking shit, they're just teasing at this point. The only opportunity Steven was ever given to learn about any of this shit was the Mirror that Lapis was trapped in, and that ended up not working anyway.
OR the questions HAVE been asked, but off-screen. Which would just be insulting to the viewers.
Other than that I like the show, though. I don't get everyone's beef with it, aside from the tumblr fandom which doesn't strike me as any worse as any other tumblr fandom.
Now he's going to say anyone who likes SU is a fag/loser
it means nothing at all, it's a joke run to the ground
The only invariant is "user presents a thought out argument". It doesn't have to be even long, nor witty, nor even against the other guys opinion.
If you put thought into it, you are a tipper.
Points, all i see is conjecture and opinion
>yfw you forget you're in a hate thread
>Characters will often argue among each other for episodes on end then go about business as if nothing happened. It feels cheap just to introduce drama for the sake of drama
This is wrong though. charcaters do learn from past episodes. For example, ever since Garnet's talk with pearl in friendship ,sehs become a lot more confident and stopped obsessing over Rose. This is most apparent during Back to the Barn where Pearl is fed up with Peridot's faggotry.
Another thing is with amethyst. After her scuffle with Pearl they have been on much better terms and can now fuse effortlessly.
Even if you don't like the drama, it does help the characters move forward.
Those are just off the top of my head though.
His point is that the reasoning for why he can use his shield whenever he wants is unexplained when it was impossible for him before.
If it's because he wants to protect people, what do the ice cream sandwiches have to do with anything and why didn't it work when wanted to protect the gems against the centipede monster?
The characters are one note rocks who act accordingly as their character archetype dictates. The only one that slightly diverges is Amethyst but even she is is fucked given the shitty, angst, self deprivation bullshit. I can't feel sad for the a character who acts like a prick sometimes and then other times she wants to be pitied.
You're right about Steven being written like the least interested kid in the universe. I almost forget his character is suppose to be fourteen years old. Man what a boring kid.
Please, everything you've posted so far is a massive shitpost.
Yes. There's clearly a demand for that sort of thing given how popular it got and how many people still watch it.
Whether or not it suits our tastes or we find fault with its quality is an entirely different matter. Not everyone has high standards, and I personally believe that not everyone should and that those who do shouldn't shit on those who don't.
>The characters are one note rocks who act accordingly as their character archetype dictates
Not necessarily. At least Pearl and Amethyst have ups and downs like normal characters. Pearl is insecure about being a Pearl and doesn't think she can be strong as an individual because of her caste. Amethyst is insecure about being born on Earth from a Kindergarten, a horrible, eerie reverse-graveyard that represents everything that Homeworld would have done to Earth. Furthermore she's also insecure about being "overcooked". Not only is she different from her companions, but even among her own kind she would be treated as defective. This is probably why she's so close to Steven. Both of them were born on Earth and both of them are "defective", since Steven can't seem to age past 8.
That's fine but that's fucking boring. It doesn't add anything to Garnet's character at all. Especially since her backstory was revealed and her "true love" was basically an accident and not something that took time and effort to create.
Not even the SU hate thread can hate SU.
was hoping for more infighting, i'm leaving.
This is why Gravity falls is so much better. Get fucking rekt nerds!
Im kidding but dont forget, part 3 soon.
I usually contribute the downfall of Steven Universe to the Sardoynx arc, what a terrible disaster that was. I hated how the gems argued like fucking children for nearly five episodes.
I know I know, mah pearl committed an act similar to rape blah, blah, blah.
These creatures are supposed to be hundreds if not thousands of years old. They should've mastered the art of team work and trust among one another. But the writers just wanted to have Steven upstage the Gems and talk down on them like he's prone to do most times.
>The implication that Steven won't grow up
I don't really understand this, especially since there was an early episode where he grew up too quickly because he thought about it too much.
>These creatures are supposed to be hundreds if not thousands of years old. They should've mastered the art of team work and trust among one another.
I agree but the alternative would mean they would all be perfectly in-sync and work together flawlessly, fusing for every single fight and winning in seconds. There has to be some sort of conflict between them, even if it doesn't make much sense.
>admitting to purposely trying to start a shitpost war
>gets mad when people are chill
did you watch the entire episode? the ending was HE WILL GROW UP! HE'S JUST SHORT!
that was the implication of the single facial hair
he is growing and everyone was worrying about nothing
It just means he won't age naturally. Eventually he'll just get the power to freely manipulate his age at will.
But yeah, Steven's Birthday was a shit episode. Worst one of this bomb by far.
Well a lot of the shows conflicts stem from rose dying, which is a recent thing, so it does actually make sense, especially when the gems have little experience raising a child by themselves with no leader.
I started to write up a response but ended up doing something weird to the page that lost it. Feeling bad.
Anyways, Garnet isn't a flawless character or idyllic existence. She is an optimal form of her type of existence, but Garnet herself has shown flaws on a few occasions. By her own admission, Garnet is brash. She held a grudge for a long while, and admittedly while it was a deeply personal event and thoroughly JUSTIFIED grudge, it still exposed flaws in her character. She's the kind of person that punches a rock to help relieve stress, and the kind of person that threatens to deck someone smaller and weaker than her because she was offended by a different viewpoint, even if it did have to do with a war she fought ages ago for deeply personal reasons.
She nearly wavered pretty heavily when faced with the Gem Mutants, and actually did split apart after Pearl's betrayal of her trust.
A lot of her flaws get hidden, covered up, overshadowed because she also has a lot of good points, being a quiet, softspoken, short response "cool" character type, which also lends to her leader-like position, but... that doesn't mean that she has no flaws.
Gaynet isnt flawless shes shown to be very stubborn and impulsive.
Its the fact an alien race millenia ahead of us still use short range warfare like axes or spears and shit its fucking primitive.
Medieval weapons are just humans being more creative with how to stab stuff.
Garnets back story actually added a lot. I'm not saying it was done flawlessly, but accidental love can bloom into true love, in fact, with effort and time. Fusion isn't always about love, it just became that for Ruby and Sapphire. You got one Gem whose existence is predetermined and another that is about fusing and becoming stronger. If you've ever just had random Sex with someone, you'd know that it could easily change your fate and how you felt about the other person.
Every single episode after Jail Break. The SJW undertones.
The awful, awful moral that is feelings > facts/logic.
Garnet being a fusion turning from a cool twist/origin story into a preachy message about trannies.
I dont watch Steven Universe but at least from season 1 this is what I understand
Keep in mind that the Gems have purposely kept themselves secluded from humanity for the most part aside from the wars and the very occasional tryst between Rose and some human guy, the most recent of which resulted in the "death" of their leader, who had been with them for thousands of years. They had a very alien upbringing, and their seclusion has resulted in very little development in other directions given how rarely they interact.
The impact of Rose's loss is a lot fresher for them than for us. Their involvement with the human race's individuals and society is a lot greater than it's ever been. Steven IS an entirely new existence, both Gem and not, and has a far stronger understanding of humans and humanity than Gems do, potentially having learned a lot of things that they learned much, much faster than they did. Remember how Rose said that everything on Earth seems so fast to her.
The thing is, due to the difference in their existences, Steven simply IS in a position to upstate and talk them down on occasion. Not as often as the reverse, but the point remains.
>There aren't really any 'manly' characters on the show at all. It would be nice to see Greg having some more moments of stepping in to dispense the murdercock's justice like the van-meets-watersteven thing.
I'd like to see more masculine role models as well, but I can understand why that's a withered wish considering the writers as well as the social climate. Steven's not a terrible role model, but I wonder about all the young boys watching this and learning that self-acceptance is an outcome of cross-dressing and unabashed emotional outbursts. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but stoicism and self-control have their merits, too. I suppose there's no helping it -- it would just be nice to see some real men on the show, mostly because I lacked that masculine upbringing and I fear I relate to Steven too much, without the benefits of magical powers and a totally supportive environment.
From the cartoon action standpoint, fighting at long range would make the already mediocre fight scenes even more boring.
Besides, considering what they are usually fighting (corrupted gems that are basically wildlife), the Crystal Gems don't need long range tactics to compensate for being squishy like humans are.
The great thing about guns is the fact that they can unleash more force than we can throw with a projectile. Its inefficient to resort to dimwitted close range tactics rather than clean efficient longe range tactics. Archers were living nightmares to most knights in medieval times to begin with.
Maybe they don't need guns because they could probably hit harder than any gun with their melee, and don't use their ranged options as often because it's not as strong as using full strength on a melee attack?
>girls I talk to like this show
>subtly grill them on what's so good about it
>their answers amount to "its made by a woman"
I hate Stephen Universe because it reminds me why women should not vote.
They had the handship laser. Peridot had energy weapons, including stasis, tractor beams, megaman gun arm cannon...
Modern gems are clearly far more advanced than the current Crystal Gems, which actually did come from a time where melee was way more common.
Maybe Jasper was just a brute who preferred melee because she was an older gem from the same time as the Crystal Gems.
Not to mention gems are complete shit at durability, I mean gems will poof for the most ridiculous things, the nonsensical thing is their solid light bodies dont just instantly regenerate the moment they get damaged or why the shit they feel pain in the first place if their actual body isnt even their real form. It also takes them weeks to regenerate which is stupid, we have seen a fodder like Pearl bubble two quartzes by just slashing them, instead of the jaspers having slash wounds that leek out energy or some shit they just poof.
I have a fairly admirable penis that i was born with and i like SU
The light cannons are a stupid invention, kinetic warfare is much better than energized warfare because its mostly invisible where as energy weapons can be seen miles away, and make very obvious heat signatures that radars can detect easily.
I agree with everything except the thing about Steven's powers.
I think the problem is that you were expecting the source of his powers to be a plot point, or at least explained in passing.
The only truth is that he's growing up and getting a hold of his powers the same way you learned to jump rope or juggle; sucking a bit less each day, and having your bad days.
It's a run-of-the-mill "teenager's powers are awakening" anime plot, it's not explained because .... just because. It's a petty you think it's "missing"
Why cookie cats? Think of the cookie cats thing as a wet dream. And then he utterly failed to recreate it
Some of the earlier episodes are really, really hard to look at now. Time constraints forced them use a non-boarder for some of the first few episodes, and it shows.
I like Lars and Sadie when they're together, in fact Island Adventure is probably my favorite human-focused episode. When they're apart they both become pretty grating.
Ronaldo's the only character that I really don't like, but I didn't find RT/CS nearly as bad as some people do. I think it's mostly because there was so much speculation around the title, then it turned out to be a human episode headed by Ronaldo. Regardless, he feels really out of place, which is bad when the cast of the show is essentially composed of "out of place" characters.
I really just hope that the humans actually serve some greater purpose in the show. As it stands they seem almost wholly separate from what's going on with the gems right now. I think I'll retroactively like the human parts of the show a lot less if only Connie and Greg end up doing something major by the show's conclusion.
They're magic, it doesn't need to make sense that they just poof.
Their bodies may be hard light illusions, but those bodies are still how they interact with the world. Their gems don't have eyes. Their gems don't have noses, or mouths. Maybe they've only go much hard light they can work with or set aside to make other things.
Maybe hard like bodies are like... durable balloons. In that way, it's like asking "why doesn't the air just leak out?" If a wound is serious enough or the accumulated stress is great enough then the whole thing just fails, but anything less than that and it holds up just fine.
>Not to mention gems are complete shit at durability, I mean gems will poof for the most ridiculous things
Where's this, again? Pearl was poofed by Holo-Pearl, but that's not much of an indication of durability, when Holo-Pearl was incredibly strong. We know that Gems die when they're stabbed, but we don't know what it takes to stab a Gem, other than "less than a direct stab from something that casually slices entire trees in half."
>we have seen a fodder like Pearl bubble two quartzes by just slashing them
Pearl casually kicked a rock bigger than her clean in half. She's pretty strong.
>It also takes them weeks to regenerate which is stupid
Pearl takes weeks to regenerate. It's pretty clearly shown that Pearl takes her time because she's a fussy perfectionist, not because this is normal.
This aint no hate thread
Since this has practically devolved into a discussion thread tell me something.
HOW IS ROZE NOT "FAT'
>They're magic, it doesn't need to make sense that they just poof.
No they are alien technology, the kindergarden clearly shows there is some logical method to creating gems.
>Pearl casually kicked a rock bigger than her clean in half. She's pretty strong.
Nope shes fodder to actual warrior gems like Jasper
>Pearl takes weeks to regenerate
Requring a week to regenerate is just impractical.
> We know that Gems die when they're stabbed
Humans dont die when they are stabbed, so why must gems is they are made of shit more durable than our flesh?
there are always holes
even if it's based on science the science doesnt have to be completely based, lots of it is conjecture, just like:
Actually it's more civil the the other threads and formerly /sug/ where it's exclusively shitposting. I like threads like this where we have normal people talk about the show's highs and lows. It makes it seem like there a genuinely intelligent fans of the show.
All those thing were present by the 2nd episode anon.
The gems ARE magic. Their 'technology' is more akin to magitek than straight up alien technology. Just because they follow basic rules doesn't make them not magic.
Also good job addressing the rest of my post.
>requiring a week to regenerate is just impractical
You've missed the point. There is no 'requirement' there. Amethyst fixed herself within minutes or hours, and Steven couldn't have been conked out that long between the headbutt and waking up on the ship, and by that point Ruby and Sapphire had already been awake for a while after Garnet was poofed.
Pearl's just fussy.
Also, resilient balloon.
doesn't look very light to me
>Nope shes fodder to actual warrior gems like Jasper
"Terrifying renegade Pearl." Pearl's whole deal is that she's not at all normal compared to normal Pearls.
>Requring a week to regenerate is just impractical.
Precisely. Which is why it's something that only Pearl really does. This is brought up several times; most Gems seem to take anywhere from hours to minutes to a few seconds to return. It's just that returning too quickly causes your form to futz up.
>Humans dont die when they are stabbed, so why must gems is they are made of shit more durable than our flesh?
Pearl was directly punched by Sugilite multiple times just a few episodes later. This would have reduced a normal human to chunky salsa; she survived with a few scrapes.
Holo-Pearl is definitely not meant to be indicative of a poke from a normal human, considering that one scene later she cut down a tree with a balloon animal. We don't know how much force it takes to actually stab Pearl.
The real reason for that is probably that the SU crew wanted to make it viable for fans to draw her more slim, without them getting death threats on the internet
The entire rebellion plot seems to be about Rose being gem PETA and not something more complex which pisses me off, as the CGs are wasting their time defending apes that will eventually start experimenting on them.
>Holo-Pearl is definitely not meant to be indicative of a poke from a normal human, considering that one scene later she cut down a tree with a balloon animal. We don't know how much force it takes to actually stab Pearl.
You are missing the fact their body is just an illusion meaning damaging it shouldnt do anything to them because the only real part of their body is the fucking gemstone.
No. They are magic beings that have created technology based off of their magic. They are magic, with access to magitek. They've developed a technological means of mass-producing their kind, but that doesn't have to mean they were all made that way, especially in the beginning. They've got artifacts of time travel, fucking powers of hydrokinesis and sand constructs. They've very clearly and obviously got both magical powers and magical artifacts.
Are you going to say that the moment we can create sperm cells, eggs, and incubation tubes from scratch that the people made from those are technology, not biology?
Just because they HAVE technology doesn't mean that they ARE technology.
Sufficiently advanced magic is no different from science.
This truly is the internet
>No. They are magic beings that have created technology based off of their magic
Nope pure science no magic at all, they look like magic because humans dont understand the complex science that made them.
>fucking powers of hydrokinesis and sand constructs.
Science can do this
Are you going to say that the moment we can create sperm cells, eggs, and incubation tubes from scratch that the people made from those are technology, not biology?
There is nothing magic about the gems because they dont show any magical powers at all.
Not self hate but lets be honest our species would get a serious boner experimenting on very advanced alien technology.
I hate generals. Those are cancerous piles of shit, because people think they're guaranteed to always make one after another. Besides /sug/ is strictly shit post, we can't have threads like this where it's actually on topic. We can do without /sug/ that's why I'm glad it's in the [trash]
Well there are the numerous examples of Alien Tampering with the planet. It's not explicit, and from a surface glance the world is pretty indistinguishable from our Earth. But if you look hard there are some strange differences.
>Different symbols on money and vidya games
>Different State Names (Keystone)
>Giant hole in Asian continent
>Smaller Africa, Bigger South America
But the point is that from the hunan perspective, there's nothing strange about Earth. And that's the point, the viewer isn't supposed to notice all the differences unless they actively look.
>someone saved the picture I shared in earlier thread
I feel so special now. But, seriously though, if a person really likes his or hers show. Why take other opinions so seriously and affect by them? Each person has different taste and preference. Just saying.
I hate how it flipflops between "Genderless Crystal people" and "Various shades of dyke"
I want to see some shit like Bismuth as badass lovecraftian horror or Feldspar as a Dorf.
You know, get the design focus away from "Gem is a bitchy woman in 1980ies fashion"
>main characters/most focused-on characters of autism sinks hating the autistic fandoms they've gathered by pure accident
This kind of idea could make for a really interesting story, if done right and with no label of an existing franchise attached to it, similar to other "cartoon characters as actors" meta things except related to modern fandom autism. Might make for a good twist on the "fame isn't always good" thing, with a character of an okay-quality middling show wishing above all else to be popular rather than ignored, only for autism and waifufaggotry to be the only fame they attain, and in spades.
Long hiatuses instead of five episodes every two months or every one month.
People assuming I'm tumblr because I like the show, regardless of what the show represents itself.
The fact MLP gets a containment board for some reason and we don't.
>wanting a containment board
>being so new to the swirling vortex of chaos and madness that is the internet that dicks in poopers is traumatizing to you
Far worse evils lurk deeper within this place, most only by an inch. Decide now if you have the fortitude to face them head-on and emerge with your soul only hardened by such sights, otherwise leave for the sake of maintaining your fragile grip on the narrow sliver of existence you view as reality.
It's pointless to to blame gooks, they are only sub-contractors and have zero creative input.
All the blame must be placed on Sugar & company, if they even gave half a shit about the art of animation as much as gender politics, the animation would not be such a lazy copout.
Homestuck is far far worse. Granted, it's died down since the creator ripped off his fanbase, but it'll pick back up once he drops another load of shit on the internet.
That's just for offtopic threads though.
Its a combinatiob of /b/ pony posting over the entire site and wrecking it for /co/, and also Barneyfag's insecurity in his sexuality. As long as nobody bothers the other boards we won't be confined to a ghetto.
The hiatus's combined with the run times make this the worst paced show airing currently, to the detriment of the quality of the overall product. Its that fucking bad.
The crew need to get a design bible and fucking stick to it, my god some of the design variations (Such as the fucking neck and Peridots facial expressions in Message recieved) are absolutely fucking dreadful. And they forget shadows all the time.
Tumblr. Whilst they give some sweet artwork at tims, they also happen to be the most rancid fanbase imaginable. Sonic-chu levels of autism