Remember: it's Prime Earth now, even though Alan Moore's random number was to highlight that our Earth wasn't anything special.
Get it right, you fucking geeks.
Yeah, Molecule Man brought back Maker after that, essentially remade him, but he has no memory of his past universe from my understanding. I'm not entirely sure how much of his history was rewritten.
As much as that seems to be the case on paper, the reality is that the comics tend to sell on their own merits or gimmicks rather than people like this guy building "hate".
99% of current comic book readers have no clue who he even is.
I'm gonna continue calling it earth 616, since I've more or less stopped following what's even happening since just a short while before Thor became female. And yes I know it's not actually that Thor got turned into a woman.
>Whosoever wields this hammer shall literally be Thor, and their name will be Thor, Thor is a title given to whosoever wields this hammer, that person being Thor
"Fan cred," muh continuity, fucking top kek. It's always funny as shit when someone tries to act all snotty and superior and completely misses the fucking point of whatever they're yammering on about.
More than it pleases me to jerk off this wanky little duder, omae.
Brevoort adressed that in another question. He said he didn't want Web Warriors to spoil the ending to SW, but from now on it's always gonna be called Prime and nobody can use the term 616.
I bet they'll fix in the Web Warriors trade anyway
Well apart from Miles what exactly is the difference about this "new universe"?
I mean in COIE we got whole new origin stories for a lot of characters, while here everything is the same.
The Maker exists in it, though it hasn't been explained if he's now a "prime" inhabitant or not. Other than that, no differences I can see, other than that stuff in Hickman's run naturally didn't happen since time got rewound.
>Marvel Editorial really are super shitty at their jobs, aren't they?
Are you kidding? They're the best there is at their jobs.
All they're hired for is to go online and start shitstorms so the media will pay attention to them
>that stuff in Hickman's run naturally didn't happen since time got rewound
Too many cis het white males?
Probably just wants to leave his mark or some stupid bullshit like that. It feels like that's the thing most writers want to do now. Instead of telling a good story, they just want to do something that changes everything the most so people will talk about them
I feel as though this is one of those things that sounds perfectly reasonable on first glance only to make less ans less sense the more you think about it.
You really think they put any thought into it? Plus, the second the movies start doing anything multiverse related and refer to something as 616, the comics side are gonna go crawling back to it like they always do
It's always funny watching Marvel try and be like the movies. I almost want the X-Men movie rights to go back to Marvel and watch the comics desperately try and explain that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are actually mutants and are Magneto's kids after all.
WEB WARRIORS #1
BRB SHITPOSTING IN HIS SUBMIT BOX
The best part is it'll happen in a few years. You know the mouse is going to buy up Fox so they can grab onto all those properties they have. The X-Men will just be a bonus for them on top of everything else
"Earth-616" never referred to some kind of objective order of things. It is the classification given to the "main" MU by the Captain Britain Corps. Nothing more.
I do wish people would fact check before they say these things.
You know, the whole reason I liked it being 616 meant that it was a sea of dimensions, and none of them was worth more than the other.
This, along with the Guardians protecting Earth now, just constantly bashes over my head this sense of entitlement that really annoys me. It's like how in the real world, nobody cares about things unless they happen in the US.
It has literally been referred to as 616 in two different post-SW comics, and the ONLY person at Marvel who is saying it's not 616 is Brevoort because he's spent the past 20 years trying to get the designation changed and this is the closest he'll ever come.
They should really move their assess and EXPLAIN these things. Though I suspect that's going to be the point of Ultimates.
Not explaining was one of the errors DC made with IC and n52.
It's the error they always do. COIE, they didn't bother to lay down the rules which led to massive confusion and retcons. Zero Hour, didn't bother to lay down the rules, confusion, retcons. Infinite Crisis, same thing. New 52, same thing times 1000.
And now Marvel does it with secret wars.
>You'll have to discover the new universe on your own!
It, and New Avengers, did actually explained the whole "Universe-8" thing. And now the Ultimates are going outside the Multiverse to understand what the hell was going(probably meeting Reed&family)
IIRC, in COIE they did explain everything, but they didn't reset the storylines(same error as i n52)
>That may be damaging to your fan cred
Err...does he not understand how nerds work?
Maybe I should introduce him to some fighting game fans who still refer to the SF 2 bosses by their Japanese names.
COIE had a somewhat concrete reason for existing. They wanted to throw out the Silver Age stuff and start anew (unfortunately like was said here >>79093118 it wasn't a clean break) what was the point of resetting the MU? There's been no "Iron-Man: Year one, the whole thing is just another event.
>IIRC, in COIE they did explain everything, but they didn't reset the storylines(same error as i n52)
The Superman reboot was not planned when COIE was finished, and they were still laying down plans with Byrne for it. As a result Superman didn't get rebooted until over six months after Crisis ended and it was never explained anywhere how and why it happened.
The Hawkman reboot with Hawkworld also happened long after Crisis.
And that's not covering all the little details. History of the DC Universe, the two-issue volume which was to explain the "new" DCU was written before a lot of this was ironed out, so it's a post-Crisis comic explaining the origins of the pre-Crisis Brainiac, for example.
It was very messy.
>IIRC, in COIE they did explain everything, but they didn't reset the storylines(same error as i n52)
DC has actually never had a clean reboot. Each of them continued something from the previous one, regardless of how little sense it made.
Trying to both eat your cake and keep it is a constant problem with reboots.
Wait a second, how the fuck isn't it just the normal 616 Universe if Black Panther used the time-gem to turn back time and bring it back to how it was before the end of the world? Pretty sure it isn't one of the new worlds rebuilt by Reed's "little kids play God foundation" but the normal 616 Universe.
Yes, which is how its been explained in-universe. Its been referred to as Earth-616 in Spider-gwen and Web Warriors, and New Avengers and Ultimates only refer to the multiversal order as 8, not the universal designation.
It's 616/8. Brevoort just hates "616" and doesn't want people calling it that. But since Brevoort isn't EiC and Alonso isn't enforcing this "prime earth" thing at all, then you can pretty safely ignore Brevoort's ramblings.
Brevoort suggested the numeration of the multiverse has changed from whatever it was the original one to a "simple" incremental one, starting with the main marvel earth.
So, Main Marvel Earth is now the First Universe of the Eighth Multiversal Cycle.
This is contradicts Web Warriors, which still lists Anya as hailing from 616.
Then again, she might be a Multiverse Orphan, like Spider-UK and the Supreme Squadron, still referring to their old Earth IDs for convenience.
After all, the Earth of the Spiderman cartoon of the 70s was renumbered(though it might have been a simple error)
>This is contradicts Web Warriors
I guess you could no-prize it as the Web Warriors, as a result of not knowing that the multiverse ended and was rebooted (since so many universes were brought back pretty much exactly how they were, plus everyone coming back with their memories intact) would still be using the previous multiverse's designations since from their perspective nothing had changed.
So like, the Earths had gotten shuffled around but since the characters don't know that, they have no reason to adopt new, more accurate designation numbers.
He's been at Marvel for a long time, will never be EiC and hates that fans criticize Marvel or decisions that are made regarding the comics. Some fans on there can be retards but if it pisses him off so much then he should get rid of it.
Fact is he comes off as a bitter cock who likes having the opportunity to lash out at fans.
Why is Breevort such a piece of shit? If he hates comics & comic fans so much why does he work in comics?
>Hurr durr you can't call it 616 cause of your fan cred
The fuck does that even mean? Mugga i'm gonna call it 616 just to fucking spite your fat ass now
Well they're not going to bother to rename and categorize the thousands of parallel Earth's they've used over the years.
Marvel's editors are to lazy to double check recent continuity, This whole Earth Prime nonsense is just an excuse for them to be even lazier
Just how much money do you think it would take to convince whoever owns Marvel and DC to sell?
>one insanely-rich person like that Virgin faggot buys both companies
>merges them into one
>literally impossible to be rivals anymore
>crossovers and amalgams everywhere
why does marvel comics go "wow stop saying people aren't REAL FANS because they don't know trivia u fucking MISOGNYIST WHITE" but then when someone is all "hey why did you change this for no reason" they say "GOTTA DO IT OR ULL LOSE UR FAN CRED"
No, it's Earth-616/Universe-8. It's 616 in the universal stack (Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-3, etc.) and 8 in the multiversal order (Universe 6= Galactus' universe, Universe 7= Pre-SW universe, Universe 8= Post-SW universe).
It's the 8th iteration of the 616th Earth.
Damn, someone in Marvel editorial must really hate the 616 designation.
Remember a few years back when they kept trying to make the name "Marvel Universe" stick? As in, the Ultimate Universe and the Marvel Universe? To say nothing about how needlessly confusing THAT is.
>refer to the SF 2 bosses by their Japanese names.
Thats still a thing though because of international tournaments and Japan keeping the original names in subsequent releases.
Then what about the Last Days tie-ins?
Scott and Janice banged because he thought the world was ending.
Kamala and Bruno delt with their shit, and Zoe cleaned up her act.
How could any of that occur without the final Incursion?
Hell, Tony and Steve were on speaking terms in Uncanny Avengers.
Eight Months Later, Anon.
Eight Months Later.
AKA, eight months of shit that we're not going to talk about since it's an excuse to shift the status quo without having to put any concentrated effort into doing so.
I think 616 is also considered the Number of the Beast in some interpretations, which was allegedly a joke on Alan Moore's part.
So either way, they hate Alan Moore.
Yes it was and someone brought it up on Tom's tumblr and he said it was a mistake and that they were wrong.
Forgot what comic it was.
Also proof that Marvel Editors don't know WTF is going on.
Did you hear it in the sense of him actually saying it or in the sense of how it just so happens that writers were talking about Iceman's sexuality for years but Brevoort only claims it only after Bendis retcons it to gay; ie bullshit?
Personally, I wanted a restructuring of the Marvel multiverse. I'm one of those people who wouldn't have minded it being a new universe.
But then it started to look like that the previous Multiverse was going to remain the same as it ever was.
But now it isn't.
It would help if Marvel just came out and outright stated how the Multiverse looked now. The end of "Secret Wars" implies that it's a whole new Multiverse, but everything else seems to point to everything pretty much being made as it was before, as if nothing had changed.
616 is the real number of the beast
>the vision has to change his address to PRIME