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Which directors do you want to get a chance to direct a Anthology movie?
JJ Abrams has proven he can make an amazing Star Wars movie and he single-handedly revitalized a franchise that had been effectively killed by the prequels. I don't know why he's not directing all of the movies.
Someone should fix that with some Mad Max storytimes.
Think it's just one guy.
I am excited for the Trailer, I'm surprised we're getting TFA lore so soon, I'm glad Filoni is jumping on it. But I also am expecting a lot of it to be visions, and people in this thread my end up disappointed if I am right.
>le epic Fury Road is sjw propaganda meme
You sure you're not suppose to be on /tv/?
Oh my god, imagine a Miller and Lucas co-production.
A George and George film.
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.
Been meaning to ask you cAnon, what program do you use to make the timeline/guide? Is it paint or gimp or something similar? I'm working on creating a recommendation chart for some friends.
MS Paint, painstakingly.
And speaking of recommendation chart, I was actually thinking about doing some polls to make a /co/ recommendation Guide.
If people would be interested in such a guide, I can get on that now, it wouldn't be hard to do at all.
I wish he were doing Episode 8 and 9 and have Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow do anthology films. He's easily the best director out there today. The Han Solo anthology needs to be cancelled though, nothing even close to good can ever come of a movie about that character played by someone else.
>He's easily the best director out there today.
Come on, this is some lazy trolling.
Lucas and Filoni are both terrible directors. Lucas directed the prequels and Filoni directed that shitty Clone Wars movie that has a worse rating than the Holiday Special.
I would like to see George Miller or Quentin Tarrantino direct a Star Wars movie.
Also, I always wanted to see a Star Wars movie directed by Spielberg, but JJ's style is very similar anyway, so I guess we already got that one.
>JJ Abrams has proven he can make an amazing Star Wars movie and he single-handedly revitalized a franchise that had been effectively killed by the prequels.
This. Everyone who disagrees is just a deluded fanboy.
>treating the TCW movie as proof of anyones capability to direct
That was George just being retarded and thinking that TCW deserved a cinematic debut and he picked the worst arc for it.
Tarrantino's style does not fit Star Wars.
Unless you did a Mace Windu prequel maybe
>Filoni directed that shitty Clone Wars movie
Those were just shitty Season 1 episodes that Lucas wanted to be a movie because it happened to be Ahsoka's introductory Arc. Unfair to judge Filoni on that.
Not that I am saying he should do live action. But I think he should direct Animated movies for sure, and depending on those, MAYBE give him a shot at an Anthology movie. He clearly gets Star Wars on a very deep level.
As for George, I dunno', maybe he'd be better as a producer, but not a Director I agree. George is better for ideas, and then letting other people bring them to life. Filoni would gladly bring any of George's ideas to life, so they make a good team (as evident in TCW)
I love JJ and even I know you're trolling.
He's sure as shit a better director then Trevorrow though. Hopefully he pulls a Trank at some point and gets booted off the project, Jurassic World was a flatly-directed mediocrity.
Fuck off with this garbage shitposting, you have awful taste and you're killing the thread.
>He's probably trolling but there are an alarming number of people out there who sincerely believe this or something very close to it.
This. JJ Abrams is a director with no style or vision of his own, and it results in some very mediocre work.
Basically. He wants desperately to be Spielberg but doesn't actually understand how Spielberg's style works, so he just imitates it but it never really clicks. He'll use techniques because Spielberg did but never actually understands why he used them or what they're meant to do.
Star Wars fans cared about Star Wars. They watched the movies, and the cartoons, read the books, and comics, played the games, which at least until '08 were of good quality.
The mainstream audience cares about Star Wars again, that's all. They're the TBBT audience, with short attention spans. Why do you think they're doing annual movies now? Because Marvel/Disney realized from the MCU that it was the only way to keep the interest of the mainstream audience.
Marvel fans would go and see the movies no matter how long they had to wait.
Now they're taking the same approach with Star Wars. THAT'S why the mainstream suddenly cares, and will continue to care about Star Wars.
And he's not even a bad story writer. His dialogue is pretty bad. And he doesn't really direct his actors. That's why Episode 4 is all over the place in acting.
But American Graffiti is amazing. Everyone always forgets that was him.
>Lucas is solid technical director, it's the writing that he's terrible at.
The prequels are some of the ugliest movies I've ever seen in my life. Like Battlefield Earth ugly.
There's a couple nice moments in Phantom Menace and that's it for the whole trilogy.
>no style of his own
I really don't know where this comes from. Just because he's inspired by Spielberg doesn't mean this invalidates his own style.
He can't direct actors at all. And he doesn't know how to develop characters or create excitement in non-action scenes where characters talk to each other. Just look how boring the conversations in the prequels (and in ROTJ to a certain degree) were shot and compare it to Empire or Awakens where every shot had someting interesting to offer.
>That's why Episode 4 is all over the place in acting.
6 is worse though. Hamill was great, but my god Harrison and Fisher were all over the place in 6. Legit the worst acting of any of the movies.
Never understood why they get a pass, but people shit on Hayden non stop. Hayden never got as bad as Ford/Fisher in 6 imo.
And I know those two are capable of acting too, because they were 11/10 in 5. I don't know what the fuck happened. I can only assume Fisher was too far gone on coke, and Ford just didn't want to be there.
>The prequels are some of the ugliest movies I've ever seen in my life. Like Battlefield Earth ugly.
I can only assume you haven't watched that many movies then. The CGI may not have aged well, but the visual design is still top-notch.
That's objectively wrong you meme spouting faggot. Just watch the opening sequence on Jakku and even a retard like you will hopefully realize how different it is to everything we've ever seen in Star Wars before.
The prequels aren't at all ugly, but the over reliance on CG and green screens makes shot composition essentially impossible to pull off in many instances. And he tried a bunch of ideas to stylize scenes that didn't come together properly. But look at the scenery on Naboo in TPM and AotC, or the scene of Anakin riding the speeder bike across Tatooine at sunset when looking for Shmi, or the scene where he marries Padme, etc. There are a ton of visually interesting locales and well done shots. Just perhaps none as iconic as the Binary Sunset in ANH.
>he single-handedly revitalized
More like single-handedly killed it. I personally know about four people who are not going to watch the next episode on the big screen, because they either thought TFA was shit or only considered it good as an unintentional comedy. And while the wave of bought reviews still is high, not one positive review is rated high by users on IMDB.
>No one cared about Star Wars after the prequels.
Except all those people who bought tickets and merch.
>Now, everyone's talking about Star Wars again.
Negative PR is not always good PR. TFA is the Matrix Reloaded of Star Wars. It pulled good money on the virtue of its precedessors' reputation and its marketing campaign, but it killed reputation of the franchise.
> but the visual design is still top-notch
Which is undercut by the direction. Lucas never lets the camera breathe at the moments it should be still but for some insane reason plants his camera down in every dialogue scene like it's fucking 12 Angry Men.
Ahsoka will escape Vader, severely injured, but still alive.
She will find Ezra after words and they will start making plans to escape
He then stabs her in the back and Old Master steps out to congratulate his new apprentice
Are you really this delusional or is this just bait? You think five oscar nominations, 93% on RT and overwhelmingly positive reviews are "not good PR" or "killed the reputation of the franchise"? If anything, it did the exact opposite after the prequels killed Star Wars.
You can't stall the Maul, he will never fall.
>buy new game called jedi power battles
>get to choose which jedi to play as
>there's this awesome looking guy called Plo Koon with a yellow lightsaber
>I immediately fall in love with him and he becomes my favorite jedi
>Get happy any time I see him in the movies
>I legit cried in the theater when when he was shot down during order 66 (I was only 11)
At least he got to be based in the cartoon
RIP Plo Koon you glorious bastard.
I'm with you. After TFA I'm not confident in this new trilogy. Rogue One still seems to be the most interesting premise, but I'll wait and see how it turns out. I like the idea of a Black Hawk Down in Star Wars.
Fisher and Ford did good work in 4 and 5, that's why they get the pass
Hayden opened with mediocre acting married to a bad script, it was never going to go down well with people
I'll give the prequels this, Lucas made the right call with the idea that CGI was the next big thing in special effects, and a lot was learned from the prequels
It's just a shame that because of how well they used CGI it aged badly
SHUT UP! They're ugly because they're the prequels!
I should know! I took a film studies class at community college and dropped it after two weeks!
If Maul found you and said you have great power,would you become his apprentice?
That entire opening sequence was a love letter to Miyazaki movies. I don't find it a problem, but seriously, the whole thing felt like it was a forest and some bugs away from being a live action Nausicaa
Make that five. I don't like the direction the story took. Never mind the rehashing and the Mary Sue stuff, fucking Kylo makes no sense and I'm pissed people are sucking his cock.
>the exact opposite after the prequels killed
This is just a fact. Oscar nominations don't mean shit. Critics are bought en masse to give reviews in the style "unimaginative rip-off riding solely on nostalgia appeal... 8/10!".
>"killed the reputation of the franchise"?
Quite possibly killed the entire franchise, in fact. But that mostly depends on how cheap they can make the following movies. MCU somehow shambles forward despite only occasionally having non-shit installments, after all.
>I'll give the prequels this, Lucas made the right call with the idea that CGI was the next big thing in special effects
Especially since he started and owned the biggest and best special effects company in Hollywood.
I'm more interested in where Rebels is headed than I am in the rest of the new trilogy. It's not that TFA was a bad movie, it just... felt like it was just going backwards. It doesn't feel like the story has any real direction.
There are 7 billion people on this planet; I know that more than a few people will agree with me. But all I have to do is look at the box office number to know that we are significantly in the minority.
Calm your tits, son.
Who's your favorite Knight of Ren? Mine are Gunarm, The Cleaver, and Mando Man.
Exactly, 6 years later and they'd cracked it. And as much as Jar Jar sucked, he proved mo-cap characters could work in movies
It's just that there too many scenes of indulgent CGI, like the entire ending sequence of AoTC, where you were just fling into a battle scene with no sense of being grounded or with any characters to focus on
>felt like it was just going backwards.
But you have to go backward before you can go forward!
Ain't I a poet?
This /fa/bulous looking motherfucker, the dude with the cross hatched mask just over Ren's shoulder
Because you're an idiot. TFA was the start of a new trilogy. Of course they were trying to set up the new characters similarly to ANH since ANH was such a major success. What exactly did you expect?
>Nothing could wound Star Wars harder than Ewoks or Jar Jar did.
Putting Jar Jar into the director seat certainly did.
>TFA certainly un-hyped me for any further Star Wars, but I seem to be an outlier.
Again, judging by the fact that not a single positive review of TFA is rated highly by users on imdb, you are the norm. Outliers who genuinely like TFA are simply backed by a massive marketing machine.
They're all probably off LARPing somewhere. They won't let Kylo join them because ever since he got himself a real working lightsaber he's been acting like king big shit and nobody wants to play with him anymore.
>What exactly did you expect?
For the movie to have a sense of identity beyond just aping its predecessors? Even its story feels like it's just doing the exact same thing. That's why it doesn't have a clear sense of direction.
Give me a single reason why you tree-hugging Jedi apologists don't support your lawfully-elected Galactic Emperor, Sheev Palpatine.
>What exactly did you expect?
Not that guy, but I guess more effort. Take Kylo Ren for example: he's supposed to be some intimidating bad guy in the vein of Darth Vader. But it seems like whoever was writing the script didn't ask themselves "how do I make a menacing antagonist?", they just took the lazy route and asked "how do I make Darth Vader, but not Darth Vader?"
And the whole film suffers for it. They took ANH and tried to duplicate its elements at the most superficial level.
But it was good, imo. Again, how would you write a "new story" while establishing likable new characters AND using the old characters again AND make them all useful and interesting again.
One time, while I was on the Junior Senatorial Weekend Retreat on Naboo... S-Senator Palpatine called me into his office and... h-he touched me. It wasn't a good touch either.
I'm sorry, this is really hard for me...
>Again, judging by the fact that not a single positive review of TFA is rated highly by users on imdb, you are the norm. Outliers who genuinely like TFA are simply backed by a massive marketing machine.
I had a conversation with a random gentleman in a bar who thought TFA was amazing. When I asked him what he liked about it, he couldn't really explain anything other than "Well, it's Star Wars." And then he realized after talking that that isn't really a reason to like something and that it lacks substance. By the time I left, he agreed that maybe TFA is probably not that great a movie.
It's the kind of film that you think it's good if you actually never give any thought about why you think it's good.
Really? I think its a bit more 'future poncho' myself, but there is a similarity now you mention it
He oversaw them, looked at that shot and decided it was OK. I get that weight is hard to convey with CGI but that shot is pretty bad
>Vastly more useful than critic reviews
Please. Metacritic user reviews are all 10/10 BEST EVER or 0/10 FUCKING SHIT, by accounts made just to review that one thing and never used for anything again.
>Again, how would you write a "new story" while establishing likable new characters AND using the old characters again AND make them all useful and interesting again.
Gee, I don't fucking know. That sounds like an impossible task that no one has ever done before.
Writing an ORIGINAL story with likable characters? Has anyone ever done this successfully?
>he's supposed to be some intimidating bad guy in the vein of Darth Vader.
No, he isn't. You just didn't understand the point of his character at all. He tries to be a menacing badass when he actually is a vulnerable person who acts like a human being and not like Vader at all. No wonder, you people hate this movie when you don't even understand it.
You're an idiot, they didn't write him as anything like Vader. He's sarcastic, openly vulnerable, is prone to outbursts of rage, unstable, not an indiscriminate murderer like Vader, etc. Did you even watch the film? I don't think so, because you have no idea what you're talking about.
>how do I make Darth Vader, but not Darth Vader?
Except he's really not, and that's a point the movie itself explicitly makes. You want Vader knock offs, go read through the EU
If anything, the movie highlights those who'd attempt to just straight copy Vader by moving "let's try and be Vader" from the character design to his underlying motivation
Funny thing, literally every person I've spoken to outside of these threads about the film enjoyed it. Maybe not the greatest thing ever, perhaps taking too many plot points from ANH, but still a good entertaining Star Wars film that recaptured what made the originals so good
That's the point, lads. They tried to make him Darth Vader while simultaneously being an insecure fuckup, and it failed miserably because it undermines the main antagonist.
He's the product of someone unable to write a consistent and coherent character.
He's poorly written. It's not because he's whiny and immature, though that doesn't help. His Vader idolization and fall into darkness is barely explained, and any conviction that he's doing the right thing would dissolve with one visit from Anakin's Force ghost. He claims to have internal conflict but shows none. He only has one scene with Han so it feels meaningless on his end when he kills him. Trust me, people felt the feels for Han and their childhood dying, not for him.
>recaptured what made the originals so good
I'd say it was intentionally manufactured to invoke nostalgia in all the die-hard OT fans.
I wasn't as enamoured with it as many seem to be. I'm hoping that despite all the safe, boring, board-approved choices JJ made when directing, the story as it unfolds in VIII and IX will turn this new trilogy into something worthwhile.
>and it failed miserably because it undermines the main antagonist.
No it doesn't. It makes Kylo an interesting character and not just Vader/Maul 2.0. Ironically, it's mostly the people who call this movie a rehash that desperately wanted a rehashed villain.
A character in film for kids went over your head. You should be absolutely embarrassed. Just leave. They wrote an actual character with depth and flaws and it's fantastic. He's not even the villain you total retard, he's as much a main protagonist as Rey and Finn.
>one movie YOU think is bad
>has a major camp of fans in the SW community
>brought the saga back from hiatus to record-breaking numbers
>praise and critical acclaim all over from the critics
>normies love it, think it's a first good Star Wars movie in thirty years
>new Star Wars movie every fucking year
STAR WARS IS DEAD, RUINED FOREVER
Come the fuck on. It's one thing to not like a movie, that's fine, but another to be that delusional to say that it "killed" the franchise worse than any prequels did (which didn't kill the franchise either, for that matter).
>He claims to have internal conflict but shows none.
By which I mean the "drawn to the light side" shit, which there was no evidence. Show don't tell. He was plenty insecure about not being Vader. You can have someone pure evil but still insecure. But don't claim he's grey when he's not.
>It makes Kylo an interesting character
>it's a 'we have to backward to go forward' film
>His Vader idolization and fall into darkness is barely explained
Well shit anon, its almost like there's two whole movies in the pipeline to explain exactly why he fell to Darkness, and what exactly he's doing
And its not like Force ghosts last forever, who are any good at turning up when you actually need them. Hell, even when they do turn up they tend towards the infuriatingly cryptic
That I won't deny, the fact the art book is littered with far cooler TIE designs than what we ended up with is proof they wanted a classic look, at least for the first movie
>Tarkin just wants to be back on his Star Destroyer so he can wear his slippers in peace
>TFA Defense Force getting so buttblasted, they have to start slinging insults
He's not grey, he's just intentionally trying to be dark and not quite getting there
Look at him in the final fight, a proper villain would be ecstatic he'd finally killed his dad and cemented his fall, Kylo is just angry and confused
Damn sight more interesting than just a Vader knock off who stands there breathing heavily and choking people who give him bad news
They did show his inner light side. You were just too stupid to notice it.
He didn't kill Finn although he knew that Finn didn't follow his orders. He showed Rey his face when she called him a masked creature. He only killed Han when Han "allowed" him to kill him and he was emotionally disturbed afterwards. He didn't even kill his own officers when he was pissed.
It's not far fetched to say that Kylo isn't as evil as he pretends to be.
Oh man, that face
That lightsaber already looks a little too much like a dildo for me to comfortable, I did not need that face associated with it
Is Sheev even into having sex in general?
My biggest gripe with TFA is that Han's death felt pretty unemotional to me.
I mean it had everyone acting all upset and Chewie freaking out, but other than that it didn't really hit me as hard as I feel it should have.
Are you fucking stupid? There is literally a meme about the "poetry" in Star Wars. The Phantom Menace has the same plot beats as ANH and TFA, but you don't notice it because there is no fun or excitement in TPM while there is in both ANH and TFA.
Pretty sure Han is the one who activated the Lightsaber to be honest. The way he was holding it in that scene coupled with him saying he'd do anything. He saw how badly his son needed his help so in true Han Solo fashion he took a gamble and made the choice that he thought had the most potential to redeem Ben in the long run.
There are different styles of evil but that doesn't make them grey until they do actual good, merciful or compassionate things like perhaps sparing prisoners from harm.
He kills a defenseless old man in his first appearance, mind-rapes prisoners and still chokes his own men.
What do you think?
Because you knew it was going to happen. Ford always wanted Han to die and Kasdan wanted to kill him off in ROTJ. His death was pretty obvious from Leia's dialogue too, but wasn't set up to be shocking anyway. It literally happened on a bridge in the third act of the movie while both Rey and Finn were watching.
Because his and Kylo's relationship wasn't developed for people to care about it. They cared about Han.
I mean the same could be said for Vader and Kenobi, but Kylo and Snoke act like it's a big deal for him because it's family. Vader and Kenobi were only student and teacher.
Look, I loved the Thrawn trilogy too, but the window to make that film closed before that book was even published
And let's face it, if they do bring him in for Ep 8, people will just moan anyway
The moment he stepped on that bridge, I knew he was going off it. And looking at Han's face, I think he knew it too
It doesn't help that he looks less like he's just been killed by his own son and more like he just got on the bus and realizes he left his bus pass at home.
Meh. I like Thrawn, but the fans wank over him too much. He's the Dr. Doom of the EU.
I knew it was coming but I thought the little scene with Han and Ben was great.
>I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it
Driver was on fire the entire movie, the whole new cast was.
>Vader and Kenobi were only student and teacher.
Plus with them it wasn't meant to be some shocking act. We know Vader turned to evil and now he wants Obi-Wan dead. The movie never pretends that this is anything more than the Evil Villain fighting the Old Mentor.
>I knew it was coming but I thought the little scene with Han and Ben was great.
This. Driver's acting was terrific. He even managed to make the murderer of Han fucking Solo sympathetic.
>Plus with them it wasn't meant to be some shocking act.
Well it sort of was if you expected Obi-Wan to live. He was going to until Sir Alec and/or George thought otherwise. His death flag wasn't triggered until "if you strike me down".
Watch Inside Llewellyn Davis. Kylo and Poe song folk music together.
Because the character was actually written as a whiny, insecure manchild, not the hero of the fucking Republic.
And Driver wasn't doing a James Dean impression the entire movie.
Having just rewatched AotC for the first time in 7 years yesterday, I actually found Hayden's acting to be better than I remembered and once thought. Not sure why. At any rate, here's your (you), Adam Driver put in a great performance and you're just baiting.
This is for Heir to the Jedi btw
>I actually found Hayden's acting to be better than I remembered and once thought
Hayden's problem wasn't so much that his acting was outright bad, but just really wooden and a lot of the dialogue he's given is hard to work with. He has some decent scenes, but they get overshadowed by the ones where it just isn't working.
>The fact that Driver wasn't nominated for an Oscar is a fucking travesty.
I thought Driver was great and I still think you're nuts. This is a great year for Best Supporting.
I wouldn't replace any of them.
>Not Chuck "Based giantess of literature" Wendig Edition
I wouldn't go that far, he was great, but Star Wars doesn't need Oscar's anyway. I would not be surprised if he wins one someday for something else though, he's good and throws himself into roles fully which is what it takes.
Can we all agree that he's already worse than Karen Traviss was? For all the countless travesties she committed against Star Wars and literature, at least she could sort of write and didn't literally come from Tumblr to obsess over gays.
A New Dawn
are you trying to be funny
the closest thrawn ever got to being a real character was in the prequel books and that was because zahn had like twenty years of experience by then
i swear to god people who jerk it to the TT just don't know how great Outbound Flight is
>Can we all agree that he's already worse than Karen Traviss was
In terms of impact and damage to the franchise? Not even close.
In terms of being a loud cunt that can't handle criticism and throws a fit if you don't like what they're slinging? Yeah, he's worse than Traviss.
His delivery was just perfect. Kylo can be sarcastic, sadistic, pissed, sad, desperate and brutal and Driver showed us the different sides and emotional states of his character.
Dark Force Rising
Oh cool I didn't have that one in full, just the cropped version for the actual cover. Was actually about to post it myself
Nah, Traviss is far worse than him. He's just not a good writer. He doesn't stoop as low as to call fans Nazis.
>In terms of being a loud cunt that can't handle criticism and throws a fit if you don't like what they're slinging? Yeah, he's worse than Traviss.
To be fair, so far Wendig is only bitching about fans who didn't like his book. Traviss was known to bitch about not only them, but anyone who liked Jedi at all.
>He doesn't stoop as low as to call fans Nazis
Wrong, he seriously already did that within a week of Aftermath's release. He said everyone criticising his book were gay bashing bigots that are worse than Hitler and the Empire despite the fact that everyone was shitting on him for not knowing how to write.
It's too early to call. He's only had one book, we know he's lined up to do more but we don't know what they'll be like. Sure, it's a given they'll probably be terrible but Aftermath, for all its shittiness, didn't have a huge impact on the universe.
Though I guess if you're the kind of person who's hung up on what tumblr is saying that would probably factor into whether you think he's worse than Traviss.
Yet. He's going to go off the deep end when everyone calls him out for Life Debt being shit just like Aftermath (because there's no point in even pretending like it won't be). He couldn't handle it the first time, it'll be even worse when it happens again. And hopefully, if we're lucky, the book won't sell and he'll embarass Disney too much in his tirades to keep his job.
>He said everyone criticising his book were gay bashing bigots that are worse than Hitler and the Empire
What absolute pigshit.
Wendig wasn't even breaking any ground, my absolute favorite EU series introduced a gay main character eventually and that was in a KID'S series for Scholastic.
And he was allowed to be a bit of a dick sometimes, he wasn't a saint despite clearly being Jude Watson's husbando.
No he didn't. He listed a variety of reasons, and only listed gay stuff at the end, "if you're upset about it". He never said they were worse than Hitler.
He's nowhere close to the absolute shitfit Traviss threw in 2009 online when TCW began contradicting her precious, fanfic-tier Mandalorian culture. She was fired because of it, though if you ask her she'll say she valiantly quit.
Wendig didn't exactly handle criticism the best, but he didn't literally call fans of the Jedi Nazis and throw a shitfit on the level of Traviss. Only time will tell if he can get anywhere close to her level.
No, he did. He made multiple blogposts and a whole bunch of tweets just going off on people calling his book shit and decided to use the gay characters as a shield from it by calling everyone hateful bigots despite the fact that it was almost universally just people talking about the quality of his writing. I know because I read all of them and it was hilarious. Far more entertaining than his garbage book at any rate, although it's a crime that he was allowed to get away with treating people that way. Karen Traviss was a cancer, but this guy is well on his way to being the second coming of her.
I wouldn't even care about this Chuck guy, but you fuckers keep bringing him up. Until he makes something horrid like the Mandos or Vong, he's a nobody.
But hey, let's get mad over nothing! I just love the internet!
>He excelled at everything he tried, causing everyone to admire him and want to be like him, and there was not a single person at the Jedi Temple who did not speak his name without praise, the only exception being Anakin Skywalker.
>he's a nobody.
The problem is...he isn't a nobody, he's writing a Star Wars trilogy where we look into what the Empire was doing after the battle of Endor and the first book is already terribly written. Wendig can't understand that it's his terrible prose, run-on sentences and general writing mistakes that make the book, Aftermath, a very poor book.
I blame the butthurt "save the legends" fuckers who became the vocal minority. I've seen dozens of casual readers say that the book wasn't their cup of tea, and ah well these things happen. But then they always bring up the crazy legends fans which justifies the book more.
Personally I didn't even read it, and I'm not too interested since it's not long after Endor. I already know the general vibe of history there. Out of all the new canon stuff, I can say it and Heir are only books I didn't feel like reading. I'll take two misses out of a dozen hits.
well its also not just internet assholes who say it, pro critics are slamming it too
literally one of the kindest i saw was someone saying "its no thrawn trilogy, but its not trying to be"
The good thing about Aftermath is that the main story is almost entirely inconsequential. The only stuff that's honestly important are the interludes that give some insight into the political situation, and for that stuff you can really just read summaries and not miss much.
>Personally I didn't even read it,
Then your opinion is completely invalid.
You got nothing to say but linking me to someone else's opinion, so you have no real argument then. I read this shit book, and it was mediocre, but what's worse is the fact the author, instead of taking criticism like an adult, owning up to his mistakes and learning from them has decided to act like a fool and can't accept his shitty writing is just that, shitty writing.
>Then your opinion is completely invalid.
At least I didn't waste my time and read a summary of the important bits. The point is out of all of the new material this one was the only real stinker. Bringing it up all the time makes me think people like you are the butthurt legends fans that ruined any chance of real criticism to this book.
Butthurt legends fans have been loud assholes about all of the books so far. Their reaction to Aftermath hasn't been any different.
The problem is that people have given actual legitimate criticism of it and Wendig throws a fit.
Many people throw fits, including this general. So I still don't care about the guy, sorry anon.
The top bait is race, grrl power and Poe probably being gay (which Disney doesn't want to claim as official).
Liking one or more of the characters doesn't equal to the film itself being good.
Oh... Oh dear... Maybe her fight isn't just a vision then...
I'd take her mando obsession over "IT'S 2016 - WE NEED MORE TRANNY AND GAYS"
After all, everything was going ok until fans got butthurt at her and she responded poorily which killed Imperial Commando
In Chuck's case? He's still writing more shit and some loser bloggers from clickbait sites can't get their tongues out of his ass cheeks.
What the hell is wrong with Guruhiru
Once again, Sand People aren't people. I don't know how many times we need to go through this.
>I'm being torn apart. I want to be free of this pain. I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it. Will you help me?
>FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL
Yes, the prequels are totally better than Force Awakens. If you're stupid, that is.
Curious, it's prequel themed. Did the prequels do more favorably over there, because of the swordfightnig or something?
I know TFA isn't going over well in the east nearly as much as Disney hoped. And I remember somewhere (maybe Korea?) the OT only just got a proper release and it was received poorly too.
>Teaching English with Yoda quotes
Is this a fucking joke? Are they insane?
I'm imagining a bunch of Japanese immigrants coming over to the west and speaking like Yoda
>Curious, it's prequel themed. Did the prequels do more favorably over there, because of the swordfightnig or something?
The prequels had a much wider release than the OT did originally (if it had one at all), so to a lot of China the prequels were their introduction to Star Wars.
I have been preparing for this moment since she became Anakin Skywalker's Apprentice. We knew it would come to this.
It has less to do with BLACK GUY IN MY MOVIE (which Disney was apparently afraid of enough to reduce him on posters) and more to do with the nostalgia factor being entirely absent to China. Their reviewers and bloggers have noted it too, and a lot of them are ripping into the movie. They're aware that nostalgia was a huge part of the movie and since they don't really have any of it, the constant "LOOK IT'S X! LOOK IT'S Y!" comes across as ridiculous and meaningless to them and they feel they should've focused less on riding the coattails of older movies and more on making sure this one stood on its own.
What's also hurting TFA's performance is that they've seen movies that drew inspiration from Star Wars, but without having that context, a lot of the mainstream audience saw TFA and thought "oh we've seen stuff like this, nothing new." So weirdly enough, in China both people who know about Star Wars and people who don't ended up considering the movie to be derivative for completely different reasons.
>So weirdly enough, in China both people who know about Star Wars and people who don't ended up considering the movie to be derivative for completely different reasons.
I'm not sure if this is hilarious or depressing
The winks in the prequels were far worse. Putting X-Wings, stormtroopers, Han, Luke, Leia and Vader's mask in episode VII made sense and served the story, but there was no reason to shoehorn Artoo, 3PO, Chewbacca and Boba Fett (clones) into the prequels. Hell, Anakin being the creator of C-3PO is probably the dumbest retcon in all of Star Wars.
How is anything he said bait? The prequels are fucking terrible.
R2 and 3PO are staples of the franchise and Lucas didn't want to leave them behind. Chewbacca made sense because they went to Kashyyyk, he wasn't in the trilogy until then. Boba Fett, you can blame entirely on the fanbase who wanted more of him. Jango and the Clones are much better and more interesting than Boba anyways. And Anakin building 3PO isn't a retcon, but I do agree that it was dumb. That's something I definitely would not have done.
A retcon is changing a previously established fact.
Nobody said Leia WASN'T Luke's sister. Nobody said Vader DIDN'T build 3PO.
They're things that were decided later on, an extension of their character, not a change.
Both are equally retarded though.
Of course you can, nobody was saying that having OT stuff was bad. The problem is "how much is too much?"
You can make as many excuses up as you want. Lucas shoehorned unnecessary fanservice into the prequels to make a visual connection to the movies everyone loves. They are not more "independent" from the OT than TFA is.
That's not true at all. Friends of mine who have never watched or liked the other six movies loved TFA because of the new characters. They didn't need to know anything about this franchise to enjoy the new movie. I'd actually argue that this movie was made for new audiences, not for us hardcore fans, judging by the bitter reactions of "fans" here.
If you only think 2/7 (less than one third!) of the movies are good, why even follow the franchise? Just curious. What do you think of the comics and cartoons too? Because if you dislike those as well, I really don't know why you're here.
>They are not more "independent" from the OT than TFA is.
They are not literally reusing ANH's plot with a dash of TESB, therefore they are.
There is a difference between fancervice and literal coplying.
>They didn't need to know anything about this franchise to enjoy the new movie. I'd actually argue that this movie was made for new audiences, not for us hardcore fans, judging by the bitter reactions of "fans" here.
And yet TFA only got great box office where it was able to ride the nostalgia appeal, despite one of the most expensive marketing campaigns I've seen.
In fact, much of its marketing campaign beyod trailers was reusing OT characters.
What do you mean by new concepts and imagery? Is it the plot? A bad guy in black tries to take over the galaxy and seeks to destroy the Jedi. This has always been the plot in every Star Wars movie.
Is it the CGI? Many movies before and after the prequels used tons of CGI and The Fellowship of the Ring was much more successful at it.
Do you mean the planets? The four most important planets in the PT were Tatooine, a planet that looks like Earth, a planet that looks like the city in Blade Runner and a planet that looks like Cloud City but with water instead of clouds.
There was some new and original stuff in the prequels, but also in TFA. Every Star Wars movie established new things for the franchise.
Holy shit, something I noticed about Maul's legs in this fight;
When one gets shot off at the end, he screams, and green stuff comes out of it.
They may be metal, but I think he feels them as though they're natural and part of him.
Dark Side Magick is crazy.
>Whoa not, let's not say things we can't take back. He wasn't great, but his performance was Oscar-worthy compared to Hayden Christensen.
Bullshit. Hayden actually acted even if not always well. Driver simply read the lines wearing the exact same "I'm constipated" expression. The mask and the voice modulator quite literally were showing more emotion.
Tarentino already took a big, steaming dump on the Western franchise. I want him to stop making movies altogether.
I was a star wars fan and I completely checked out after the PT and the Vong. One I could handle, both? No. Just fucking no.
As for the mainstream: Star Wars has always been cool. It was never "not mainstream".
Of course it didn't age well. Lucas's oh so impressive CGI was already dated by the time it hit the cinemas. Stop calling this guy an innovator. He's not. He's just the first person to hype it. He's far from the first to use it on a large scale in feature films.
>IIT: Waaah, TFA isn't good
This would be more substantial if people on the hate train had more than buzzwords and being triggered to go on. If you hate tumblr so much, I advise you stop acting like tumblr.
Especially this. This is literally retarded. It's like this guy forgets he probably jerked off to the Ring Theory.
This. And he mirrored the story structure almost 1:1. Yet, prequel fans have the gall to shit on TFA for "ripping off the OT", which pretty much proves these people are either completely delusional and mentally ill or just trolling.
Hey, they're probably not even PT fans.
No joke, completely serious.
Except make it from the point of view of the Empire, make them the protagonist. Maybe against a "more evil" society/culture on the outer rim.
Imagine this guy's gung ho, flag waving, ultrapatriotic style except instead of the American flag, it's Imperial propaganda. Heroic stormtroopers vs evil viscious (religious) aliens.
>This would be more substantial if people on the hate train had more than buzzwords
Of course they cannot ever have anything more than buzzwords, because you automatically discount any criticism (plot nonsensical even for a Hollywood blockbuster, terrible or nonexistent acting, complete derivativeness in both story and visual deparments, the main character which fanfics would be bashed for, shitty and inept villains) as a buzzword. Apparently on the ground of it being repeated by any person with a brain.
>Yet, prequel fans have the gall to shit on TFA for "ripping off the OT",
This is what I hate about this fanbase. Everyone is biased in some way, but no one can admit it. When Lucas kills off Qui Gon in TPM everyone here calls him a genius for mirroring Obi Wan's death in ANH. When Abrams kills off Han Solo, he's a hack who can't do anything original.
I think some people here who grew up with the PT are just salty about TFA receiving praise from everyone while their childhood movies were getting trashed all the time. It's really immature and stupid.
There's plenty of real criticisms to make, but those aren't it. Complaining about deriativeness in Star Wars, or movies in general, is fucking braindead. If you don't like it, don't watch anything, ever.
I want to see more of how the underworld preveiled after the fall of the empire as we saw in TCW during the war.
Im not talking about those shitty little clubs or old friendly grandma Maz, I want real scums like the Hutts
>I think some people here who grew up with the PT are just salty about TFA receiving praise from everyone while their childhood movies were getting trashed all the time.
Yes, this. Also, EU fags who are still butthurt about muh Thrawn trilogy not being canon anymore.
>I think some people here who grew up with the PT are just salty about TFA receiving praise from everyone while their childhood movies were getting trashed all the time. It's really immature and stupid.
Quite the opposite. The sole appeal of TFA beyond sheer marketing drive is "but it's just like Star Wars of muh childhood!". Otherwise it has no more merit than any other Hollywood blockbuster milking an old franchise, like any Terminator movies past 3. That's why it did so poorly overseas.
>The difference is TFA is someone trying to hide he's recycling literally everything. and the PT is someone trying to hide he's recycling literally everything.
Fixed it for you, Disney employee.
You must be paid pretty well to argue about 2-hour toy commercials on a mongolian crocheting board.
>The difference is TFA is a homage and the PT is someone trying to hide he's recycling literally everything.
It's the exact opposite. You must be trolling or falseflagging to make TFAgs appear as absolute retards.
My 'childhood movies' were the Special Edition releases of the OT.
OT are strong films. They did the worldbuilding right and told a compelling story. They also had a great cast and directors.
The PT had a lot of good ideas, but so-so writing cause Lucas didn't manage to put the exposition into the story without making it clunky. Direction was poor particularly the dialogues.
TFA was an all around decent flick. Didn't have any new concepts to offer side from the Knights of Ren and felt a bit like it was going through the motions. Didn't have the glaring weaknesses the PT had though. Dialogues were okay, exposition mildy heavyhanded at times, since they are trying to reboot the franchise for a younger audience, but at least the chemistry of the cast felt right and the film had humor.
Add to that that I'm not as easily impressed anymore than I was as a kid when whatching the OT.
The films held up pretty good though in comparison to the old Bond movies for example.
>I honestly think the original two movies are the only good ones and Revenge of the Jedi was cash grab as well.
There are no people who honestly think like that. You're just one of those idiots who try to pretend having patrician and refined tastes despite watching Star Wars.
>unoriginality in a movie makes it shit
>I don't watch any movies, ever, at all
Unapplicable to the medium, dumbass. What you're really doing is grasping at straws because of a personal dislike.
>PT vs. OT vs. ST
>The same fucking arguments
>Different fucking day
Welp, looks like /swg/ rolled in shit once again. This is why I can't stand to come here anymore, and I knew once TFA came out the threads would be even more useless than ever. At least you guys are predictable.
Seriously, how many times have we dragged these dead horses out of the barn to beat them? Actually we are beyond beating a dead horse, we're now just beating a hole in the ground with how much we've done this.
Well, yeah. Referencing his own work (from the same continuity, no less) is a motif. Referencing someone else's work is a homage, if you're feeling charitable. Imagine if Rowling sold Harry Potter to Disney, who immediately released a new book (with seven more to come) about Penny Trotter, an orphan who finds out she is a witch and must then attend the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, unaware of an impending confrontation with the evil Draco Malfoy and his dark minions. Fortunately, she has the help of her friends, one smart and one courageous, and the guidance of Ronald Weasley.
People would start making pointed remarks, yeah.
Whenever the threads start like this, I back out of it too. It's literally the same thing that's been happening over and over again. It's honestly why I don't like talking about ANY of the movies.
Complaining about the complaints doesn't contribute anything to the thread either.
You can either ignore the discussion you don't like or start a conversation about something more interesting. Talking about something you don't wanna talk about is not helping in letting the thread move in a different direction.
It's easy. Just don't talk about stuff you don't wanna talk about.
That was actually Sabine though.
Ezra probably just hung out and stared at her ass while she was painting.
Plo Koon is literally the Boba Fett of the prequels.
>In a corner in each of the films
>Looks bad ass
>Made even cooler by EU content like games and comics
>Dies like a bitch
Were they called "The Knights of Ren"? Didn't hear that line at all. Is he their leader?
I thought those *were* Luke's students that had turned to the dark side, killing the ones that didn't.
>Referencing someone else's work is a homage, if you're feeling charitable
You mean like how Lucas "homaged" The Hidden Fortress and how MacQuarrie "homaged" large sections of Fritz Lang's Metropolis for A New Hope?
Star Wars is a franchise built out of homage, it's all the shit Lucas and his crew liked in film school glued together in a bizarre stew that manages to come together. It was built out of theft.
JJ is just doing the same thing. And it's not just A New Hope, those gorgeous wide-shots were a clear homage to David Lean's epics, the final fight in the snowy forest was clearly inspired by old samurai movies. Just because Disney was behind the movie doesn't invalidate JJ's vision, this idea that he's some talentless soulless hack is insane. JJ has a very distinctive, slick visual style and storytelling technique which is all throughout TFA for good and bad.
Snoke says in a scene, he talks of the other Knights, and he says Klo is their leader, but that is their only mention.
And someone (Pablo Hidalgo I think) mentioned that those dead bodies in that scene actually aren't Luke's students, but rather regular people. Makes me think they're planning on showing the Jedi vs Knights fight sometime soon.
As for the other Knights, we know literally nothing about them. Don't even know if they have Lightsabers, or if they can use the Force (although I'd imagine they can)
>It was built out of theft.
>I have no clue what creative process means.
Contrary to popular belief you cannot create something from nothing.
Even if you wanted to it's simply not possible, because you are a product of your environment and cultural influences are gonna be part of your creation whether you intent to or not.
Oh, absolutely. Abrams absolutely did good work with what he had. I just wish he had had more free reign with the project. When I first saw the movie, there were points where I could almost feel the movie changing track from "Abrams Star Wars movie hell yeah" to "Disney by the numbers Star Wars".
post YFW you're a smuggler who has ten crates of fuel and you've just been put in a Star Destroyer's tractor beam.
>I could almost feel the movie changing track from "Abrams Star Wars movie hell yeah" to "Disney by the numbers Star Wars"
If Disney had much creative control they probably would have said things like "your script makes no sense there's no downtime anywhere, how the fuck does this universe work what the fuck is going on."
Honestly, and I say this as a JJ fan, it had all his script issues where he seriously does not give a shit about plot. JJ cares about character and keeping the movie going as fast as possible, which is why the movie never explains the politics of what's going on because GOTTA GO FAST. The MacGuffin barely matters to the story, the map is a total afterthought 20 minutes in so Abrhams can just let these characters bounce off each other and exchange banter between setpieces.
The only part I felt like maybe was Disney mandate was the Starkiller, but even that let JJ indulge his Spielberg-inspired overhead shots.
Post characters you'd spend the rest of your life with on a private villa on the planet of your choice.
>The only part I felt like maybe was Disney mandate was the Starkiller
I would add Darth Vader appearing "in some form". But that was handled very well by just making the new villain a Vader fanboy.
I want more of these bitches, literally the only other time I've seen one was in that trailer for that Kid-Friendly cgi sketch show that may or may not get shat out on Netflix eventually.
That was pure JJ. Nothing gets his dick harder more then stories about father figures, and I bet you anything the idea of making Kylo a Vaderboo torn between his grandfather's legacy and his actual father was all his idea. The whole film was about Star Wars' actual legacy and the difficulty of creating a new generation out of the ashes of the old.
Except for Snoke. He doesn't fit in anywhere and is honestly the film's biggest misstep, along with a shit design and a terrible name. He was the only big issue I had with the movie. They should have either made him an actual character or kept him in the shadows entirely A New Hope, as is he's this crappy little Gollum knockoff.
A private villa on Naboo with pic related.
Probably cause Thrawn trilogy (or just Heir to Empire, if we want to go stand alone to stand alone) was way better made and written. Also TFA even used the EU concept of Kylo and Rey being almost exact equivalent to Jacen and Jania.
DESU, i don't blame fans of Thrawn trilogy made that it's "non canon" anymore and yet they used a Jacen and Jania anyway.
That is still the best alien species to remain criminal underrepresented in Star Wars media.
Especially since the one in the comics was Vader'd.
Rey is a mix of Jaina and Jarael (with a LOT more from Jarael, frankly, than Jaina). They toss several of the EU concepts together to make them more well-rounded, from what I see.
Pretty sure there is a pic somewhere of these guys stabbing stormtroopers in the throat.
May or may not be cuter or as cute.
Actually Anakin making Threepio was retroactively the best thing in the series. All those times he's thanking the maker in the OT he's really giving praise unto Darth Vader without remembering it.
From Shadows of Endor, might be what you're thinking of.
Good comic by the way
C-3PO being built by a nine year old whiz kid is straight out of George's early notes for the character, he just decided to be more specific on who.
Same as how he was gonna have Kid Han Solo raised by Wookies in Revenge of the Sith before deciding to cut it out and not piss off fans further.
>That fucking deathblow on the bottom right
Imagine the poor imperial officer arriving outside the door of some shithole in the slums of Nar Shadaa. How can he explain to that trooper's mother that he was killed by something one third his height and ten times as hairy?
Yeah, it was the first Star Wars comic I bought (also the first digital comic I bought). Good fun and it ties up stuff from the cartoon, the comics and the movies pretty well. Obviously none of it canon anymore but hopefully we'll see them again...
They're Duloks, they also live on Endor and are enemies of the Ewoks.
One of them actually appears in a crowd scene in Glenny's Clone Wars
>"And think only of tonight!"
>"Yes, sound the orgy trumpet!"
>"Flesh orgy! Yay! Partake in the flesh of our enemies and the flesh of each other! Yay!"
Finding redeeming qualities in Jar Jar may be next to impossible but the ewoks will forever remain the most adorable people eating bastards in canon.
I've been watching the Maul episodes of The Clone Wars for the first time.
Is it wrong that I find him sexy?
They look more like shaggy beasts in the comic and less like the Grinch. They're mentioned in Ultimate Star Wars so we may see them in canon.
Look at that face! Gay anal sex must be rough with this guy.
You might think it's impossible given his condition but then you'd be unaware of the true power of the
Just got back from TFA in IMAX. The internet was right. Rey's a dumb fucking Mary Stu and Poe should've been the protag (with Finn as backup). What the fuck was up with Kylo Ren having autism fits and why does he get away with it? Shouldn't the Stronk Silver Woman punish him for being a raging autist? That would've been nice to see.
It's the voice, Witwer was perfect for him.
It's probably the only reason I am not completely against him coming back in Rebels, because I know Witwer is going to give us some killer deliveries. Some of his dialogue in TCW is chilling.
It certainly helps that his face is literally perfect. Also Witwer's acting was on point and the exact kind of creepy. I'm definitely going back to watch his episodes
Wasn't it recently shown that Wookiee's have a connection to trees? EU did but there seems to have been something spiritual. I mean beyond the two magic trees that were cultivated in an Imperial lab from the tree in the courtyard of the old Jedi Temple.
>Anither character gets enslaved by a Hutt crimelord and forced to wear a skimpy outfit in the new trilogy.
>you cannot create something from nothing
>What the fuck was up with Kylo Ren having autism fits and why does he get away with it?
It's called the dark side of the force. You know, that thing that is supposed to make you more aggressive.
I don't think I'd call it "standard sith procedure." Quite the opposite.
Oh inside they're a seething collection of Dark Side emotions. Fear, greed, anger, all that good stuff. Seems like initial exposure to the Dark Side is like a drug, flooding the user with cheap, raw power but twisting their feelings and perceptions until someone like Anakin can stab a bunch of kids and then choke his wife who was the very reason he fell. If they last long enough, i.e. don't go out like a PCP powered psycho, the more senior Sith have learned an iron control to contain their darker impulses. They learn to master the madness. In this way we get Sheev who can pass as a sweet old man until those rare times when he gets to cut loose and reveal his inner cackling madman has he saber spins through the air.
Kylo Ren doesn't rate anywhere near the Sith because he hasn't mastered the necessary self-control. He can maintain for awhile but then something triggers his dark side super retard strength and he loses it. Even more than his wounds I'm sure this is how Rey gets the better of him. She didn't show any refinement or finesse in her attacks but she had enough to foil his efforts and he lost his own control. Same thing that happened the moment she managed to resist his mental invasion.
When they next meet they should both have more training, so it should be interesting to see what changes the characters undergo before the next movie. Especially when Snoke makes Kylo Ren become Matt, Radar Technician.
Anon-friend, your education begins now.
All I can think of with those last two panels.
I've seen enough.
He does have a weird inability to hint at the passage of time, like in the end of the movie Rey and Chewie are traveling for mere seconds before they arrive at the planet Luke is on.
The Falcon was conveniently ready right to the second for Han to finish his explanation before he took them out of hyperspace just past the shield protecting Starkiller Base. Poe and his X-Wing fleet were apparently experiencing some kind of hyperspace "hang time" just waiting for the instant the shield was down.
That's all, or at least all I'm aware of. Poor Little Sith Lord is a proud /co/ Star Wars tradition that will hopefully be resurrected in time for Old Master to arrive. I can't wait for the Chop Shop edition.
Please open your holo hymnals to page threee ninety fouuurrrr, Phantoms 3, verse 2, where the Jedi undergo a duel conspired by the fates
Why do people constantly say this but glorify the OT's severely outdated effects? The Gungan city looks better than any matte painting from the 80's. Stop being so damn delusional. Technology improved considerably.
The OT gets by on nostalgia since really and the fact that they couldn't have done too much better in the 70s and early 80s. They can still be looked at fondly.
The Prequels are an interesting mix, because you can track from movie to movie how the digital effects and techniques used were improving. And then there is the morosely amusing fact that a lot of what people think (read: know in their shriveled soul) is CGI turns out to be footage of model cities/arenas/alien planets and matte paintings, only with digital effects to merge these with the real actors. This creates the impression and the popular, but wrong, opinion that all the cityscapes and alien planets were 100% CGI when they weren't.
What i don't understand is why some fans get mad about the worlds in TFA when back in the OT the aliens planets were generic as fuck and looked the same. Only the PT had different planets but they look horrible. I think the comics have spoil a lot of you.