>>Aliens invade NYC
>>Proof of intelligent life outside Earth.
>>Never is addressed in any other MCU show or movie (not talking Guardians)
>>No crackpot conspirators
>>No scientists trying to find these lifeforms
>>No military trying to upgrade their tech to fight them if they come back.
>>The biggest game changer in human existence, and it's never discussed
Have you not watched agents of shield, daredevil, or Jessica jones? They mention the invasion a few times each. Agents of shield in pretty sure, whole first season is about finding stuff related to the invasion. And both captain America winter soldier and avengers 2 mentions it. Like a whole plot point in avengers two is that Von strucker who's base they invade at the beginning is all reversed alien tech from the invasion of chitauri.
>No scientists trying to find these lifeforms
jane foster does no research at all into the kind of alternate dimensions these things come from
>No military trying to upgrade their tech to fight them if they come back
hydra did not directly use alien tech the enhance humans
tony stark did not directly use alien tech to build ultron
>Never is addressed in any other MCU show or movie
large plot points of Daredevil are not made possible because of the destruction in new york and kingpins taking advantage of it
Alien life was proven in Thor 1, and SHIELD has been doing everything they can to squeeze the secrets out of whatever Asgardian & Chitauri tech they've gotten their hands on. The gun Coulson used on Loki in Avengers was reverse engineered from The Destroyer in Thor 1.
The TV image montage post-battle in Avengers implied a huge amount of discussion regarding the effects that the aliens had. Plus the events of Thor confirmed alien existence prior and that was where we saw the military tech upgrade to counter them. Remember? That scene where Fury points at Thor and says that he's the reason they're going back to the Hydra workshop? As for "scientists trying to find these lifeforms" that's exactly why SHIELD upgraded Selvig and Foster to better digs. Remember how Barton referred to the tesseract as a door?
It was literally a battle by all definitions. Stop being a faggot, just because they didn't acknowledge it like you wanted to doesn't invalidate the fact that they did, numerous times, in almost everything you mentioned. Fag.
>No military trying to upgrade their tech to fight them if they come back.
>Fury, why do you have tesseract powered superweapons?
>Because Thor proved aliens exist and we need stronger weapons to fight them.
It's literally in the same movie before the fucking aliens invade.
Here's what bothers ME:
>People always mention how many people died in the Battle of New York in every other post-Avengers MCU work.
>No bodies or civilian deaths shown in the actual movie.
Which is entirely in character with the difference between DC and Marvel.
Marvel heroes are people trying to be gods.
DC heroes are gods trying to be people.
The bar for gods is much higher than the bar for just people.
>Sure they said that Hells Kitchen was ruined but we didn't see any of it.
Most of it had already been rebuilt or was in the process of being rebuilt. This is how Karen Page is tied to Kingpin in the story.
But I guess you won't be happy unless they go "WHAT IF ALIENS? AYY LMAO"
and the kryptons build a planet altering device too that he had to stop all by himself. Superman was playing on Hard mode.
Avengers were a team consisting of a super genius with a super suit of armor, a literal god, a hulking man capable of destroying just about anything (including the bad god), a super secret best spy number 1, a sharp shooter and the backing of an elite top agency with a flying fortress vs 1 god and chump change army.
>Snyderfags will never stop playing the victim card
People suck off Avengers because no matter what, the Avengers actively saved civilians in multiple scenes.
In MoS, Superman didn't even try to minimize destruction, he was actively throwing Zod through buildings. Remember when he just casually moves out of the way of the tanker and lets it explode? He should have stopped it. People were right there. It's shit like that why they call him Man of Murder.
The only time he directly tried to save people was at the end with that forced as fuck necksnap scene, which is especially ridiculous given how graphic the violence was prior to that moment.
Also consider how realistic those falling buildings looked. In Avengers, everything was shot in a colorful, cartoonish way. It didn't feel like 911 was being recreated with super beings.
Aside from the 6 month gap between Iron Man 1 and 2 (as well as The Incredible Hulk taking place at the same time as IM2), the "present day" MCU movies happen at roughly the same time as their release.
Yeah my parent didn't get what the fuck they were referring to in DD and JJ since he doesnt watch capeshit movies. Thought it was some Civil War like event that did it. Hate how the writers have said that directly referring the ayyylmaos is too jarring.
It takes the focus off the current plot when you start talking at length about an alien invasion from a movie 4 years ago.
I don't understand why anyone needs to be spoofed exposition about old shit.
>I nearly cried when he was flying up the beam.
So did I.
>you need to watch these series to understand why this movie was good!
>>>Aliens invade NYC
>>>Proof of intelligent life outside Earth.
>>>Never is addressed in any other MCU show or movie (not talking Guardians)
>>>No crackpot conspirators
We don't see toilets in the Marvel universe either but we know the exist.
>>>No scientists trying to find these lifeforms
>>>No military trying to upgrade their tech to fight them if they come back.
Miltary is shown trying to upgrade their shit since Iron Man. Hell that is part of the plot half the MCU movies and all 3 IM.
>>>The biggest game changer in human existence, and it's never discussed
Netflix shows bring it up. End result is aliens blowing shit up doesn't change the fact you got a min wage job and your rent is due tomorrow.
Avengers tried to mitigate or reduce civillian casualties. It wasn't 100%. There was a scene cut from the movie where the aliens herded civilians into that bank, and the floor was already lined with ash and discarded objects (eyeglasses, rings, etc.) from the previous casualties.
But, that was cut. Too Grim. Would have fit perfectly into a DC movie though.
The movie ended after the Battle of New York. It didn't include (many) events that happened after it (the movie) ended, because that would be a narrative impossibility. Even epilogues end with the last pages of the book. As a standalone film, the Avengers holds up, and can be enjoyed with no additional media. The additional media can stand by itself, but exists in a shared universe, and makes passing reference to events which occur outside of itself.
This isn't hard to follow anon, you are on a comic book forum. You should have consumed media in the past that included text boxes with words to the effect of "* As seen in Justice League Annual #7"
I have mixed opinions on Superman not saving anyone except for Lois in the MoS. On one hand, yeah it doesn't feel like a Superman movie if he's not saving people. However, it was his first fight with individuals who are more or less on supes level of power so he wasn't thinking about saving individuals, only on beating zod and his ppl. Itll def. be part of the plot of BvS talking about how he could've saved ppl or at least taken the fight to a remote Iocation.
That's what makes it interesting. Supes was as another anon said "playing on hard mode" and was completely out of his depth considering he just learned his potential a few days beforehand and didn't know how to control his power and didn't have experience enough to help prevent widespread destruction
Literally only Daredevil, Jessica Jones and the other future netflix shows are worth watching.
Agents of Shield is so shockingly shit and the stuff it intrdouces really makes it hard to fit it within the MCU, and it will never be acknowledged. So it might as well not even be canon.
Agent Carter is just irrelevant.
Yep. But "Hard mode" sucks as a narrative device when it's not properly established.
Imagine if someone had never played a platformer before, and you decided to explain the genre to them by giving them "I Want To Be The Guy", or "Kaizo Mario", or offering them a very high level of "Super Meat Boy".
That would probably turn them off the rest of the genre.
Which is why I'm not really a fan of the narrative and stylistic choices made in the movie. I like Superman, and retain a cautious optimism for DoJ, but MoS soured quickly.
>Yep. But "Hard mode" sucks as a narrative device when it's not properly established
it was a figure of speech you ding dong.
Point of the post was to highlight the differences between the two.
super man was the under dog working all by himself and alone only having just recently discovered his powers versus literal warriors with his powers and a planet destroying machine
While avengers had every single advantage under the sun versus a bad guy only attacking a city.
Not that it makes any movie better than the other. But it's just to high light how idiotic the "superman destroyed the city" argument is.
>Having every advantage
Except numbers, resources, or prep time.
Iron Man came in with crippled armor, Hulk and Thor were AWOL, this left two "ordinary" humans and one Super Soldier to handle an invasion of hundreds that had been set up and pre planned by a entity with a physique like Thor, but smarter.
Thor arrived late. Hulk arrived even later, and even with the whole team together, the first thing they had to do was get Iron Man directly into the tower that Loki had claimed as his own. He had to stand with no defenses against the God of deception, and was only preserved by the grace of having a small circular chunk of metal & glass implanted in his sternum under his shirt, and a quip.
Then they had to bottleneck an advancing army, establish a perimeter, provide anti-air support... This was six people against hundreds. Not "one God and the entire US military vs. About three (relevant) other gods."
Also, didn't Zod's Bio-suit replicate the effects of being on Krypton inside itself? If that was true, why did Zod & co. have superpowers? Superman lost his powers on the ship, so, where did Zod's powers come from?