I'm not sure if this has been answered/speculated in previous SU generals, but now that
Peridot is a Crystal GemI've been wondering-
The other CG's have gem constructs, like Garnet's gauntlets. Peridot originally had artificial limbs that acted similarly (that have been long since destroyed) so is she not capable of making her own constructs, or is it possible she just doesn't know how like Steven in the first season?
I make literally 1-4 posts on 4chan a year. You've likely shitposted more this month than I have the last few years. Fuck off.
Seems like you're upset. But still, I'm tired of threads about this bitch. She's probably the least interesting thing about this show ATM and only gets wanked about because she's a gen
Least interesting thing about the show is Amethyst if ya' ask me.
I appreciate her character but 'repressed-child' Ame' tantrum episodes are the most grueling, and are only paralleled by the frequent 'Pearl has a Rose Quartz PTSD breakdown' episodes we were seeing awhile back.
Peridot is not a combat-task gem.
Her limb enhancers were tools for an engineer, to be upgraded and changed independently of her body.
Look at garnet. Her own weapon is a larger version of a Ruby's fists. So Sapphire doesn't seem to have a personal weapon either.
And Lapis doesn't have one either.
Not all gems have weapons. In fact they manufacture weapons that are independent of their bodies. Like the battle axe or Rose's sword.
Also, Peridot is curvier than that. Shortstacked.
>Her own weapon is a larger version of a Ruby's fists.
Actually Ruby's weapon is an armored glove while Garnet's is Gauntlets. Its likely Sapphire has a component that makes them gauntlets
Are you sure about that? Pearl seems to be able to create any quantity of her spears as needed, and they look a hell of a lot more like they're distinctly a part of her than other stuff we've seen her fight with.
I'm pretty sure that they're constructs just like all the other gem weapons
Peridot's weapon should be a dagger, because she's a little prick.
She's Zim, I don't think she has a weapon at all. Remember Catch and Release.
>Is that a weapon?
I don't think it's so much storage, it might be just like the gem projects the construct of their body they need to 'produce' the construct of their weapon independent to their own shape-shifting ability. There's also an argument to be had about their weapon being preset as supposed to chosen as Pearl uses a spear but has the biggest boner for swords so that might mean even gems not built for combat always have their own weapon to call upon
That "without armor" pic is completely off model, her limbs are much shorter than that.
In fact, so much so that her arms must bend in a completely different place when she's in the limb enhancers.
Jasper was also a veteran of the Earth rebellion, which may have factored into her ability to manifest her own weapon (such as it is). It's also probably the reason she was sent as P-dot's escort.
Come to think of it, we haven't seen any other HW gems actually summon their own weapon, but then, we haven't seen very HW gems so far.
Nothing so far has indicated that Peridot knows how to use her gem the way others do. It could even be that the idea has been suppressed and supplanted by Gem-Tek as a way to keep Gems in line by the Diamonds.
If only you could stop coming into threads about shows you don't like. Everybody would be better off.
I believe that creating weapons is something that some Gems can do naturally and other Gems can learn to do.
In the first episode, when Steven was asking how the other Crystal Gems summoned their weapons, Amethyst said it just came naturally to her, while Garnet and Pearl gave complicated and cryptic explanations which involved deep focus the forces of the universe. Steven himself can also summon his shield without thinking, based on his emotional state.
Now, this is fitting to their personalities, but it's also notable that both Amethyst and Steven are Quartz-type Gems, who are a special elite warrior caste. It makes sense that they would naturally be able to create weapons much like all Gems can instinctively create bodies and clothing.
By contrast, Pearl was designed as a decorative slave who learned to be an effective warrior through sheer determination; it's plausible that she originally couldn't summon a weapon – and, in Garnet's origin flashback, she instead used physical swords – but could learn to create her spear as a variant of the standard Gem ability to create hard-light constructs.
As for Garnet, her situation is not entirely clear. Ruby is a warrior-class gem, so it would make sense for her to have a natural weapon, but she gave a confusing forces-of-the-universe explanation that's more like Pearl's than Amethyst's; it could be that Rubies can't do that normally because they're cheap cannon fodder, or it could be something else. In any case, it's also notable that Garnet's weapon is a variant of Ruby's, unlike the other fusion gems who summon their components' weapons before combining them into something unique; it's possible that Sapphire (a seer, not a warrior) has no weapon of her own, since she spends all her time as Garnet and wouldn't need to learn.
>Peridot is curvier than that. Shortstacked.
The better for steven to mate with
She can already build robots, so she should be good. Now that she's a Crystal Gem, she should have more access to material.
Maybe she'll re-purpose the injectors in the Kindergarten into security drones.
The Homeworld Gems that we've seen also fit in with this. Jasper, another Quartz warrior-caste Gem, can summon a helmet easily. Peridot, a low-ranking technician, relies entirely on machines and gadgets to fight and has no powers without her limb enhancers. Lapis Lazuli is hard to classify, since we don't know what her purpose is; we do know, however, that she can control water on a planetary scale, and she seems to summon her water wings without using the surrounding water, so that might be a "backup" ability for when there's no water around.
In conclusion, the evidence seems to support that weapon summoning is a learnable skill for Gems, as a variant of their natural ability to create solid-seeming hard light constructs. Gems built for fighting are able to do so naturally, because it's a part of their assigned role, while other Gems cannot. The Crystal Gems, however, have a strong ideological focus on breaking out of Homeworld's strict class system, so they would likely help each other learn how to summon their own weapons, which would greatly increase their effective combat power and go a long way towards explaining how they were able to defeat what is likely a numerically superior foe.
I guess I could buy that, even if everyone else's weapons seem to be independent of the powers they also wield. But again, she was stranded on Earth for who knows how long. Was she also fighting for HW in the rebellion? She tells Steven the Crystal Gems can't be trusted, and she was the only one who knew of them besides Jasper.
It would be interesting if Lapis and/or Jasper could actually get a chance to give HW's version of the story, just to see how such an apparently rigid society tried to adapt to fighting radicals.
Seems legit enough. The Homeworld gems were after all terrified of Pearl, not Rose in the R&S flashback. Whether this was because she's a Pearl that can fight (and cuts through quartz like it's her job) or because she was manifesting a weapon at that point as well is up to debate.
If they are able to collect and seemingly use dissipated heat and transform it into energy, I don't see why they couldn't make a weapon out of their gemstone since they are able to have hard light bodies, or something of the sort. They would use the same mechanism to make a weapon, like their bodies. Why not?
Pearl wasn't summoning weapons in the flashback though, interestingly enough, during the Answer no gem is seen using the Gem Weapon at all, the only one even using weapons is Pearl and those were just swords that she carries around, not the spear that she later can summon
what if the gems can actually choose what kind of weapon they want and go trough like a forge process of it or something like that
If that's the case then what kind of weapon would peri choose?
Pearl didn't actually summon her spear in that flashback, though. She used physical swords, similar to the ones she keeps in her room in modern times. It might have been before she learned to make a weapon.
Then again, none of the other Gems summoned their weapons either, even warrior-types like Ruby and Rose Quartz. Maybe it's just because it was a rather abstract scene.
Or, and this is just occurring to me now, Rose didn't summon her shield because she didn't think she'd need it? She seems to be a rather smug and self-assured person in general; it's possible she only brings out her shield for "important" or "major" threats (or to defend her allies, of course), and she thought she could easily beat a three-Ruby fusion with her bare hands (which she could, evidently).
>tfw u put on something romantic to get ur hunny in the mood
>tfw she turns out to be a massive fujoshit
laziness by the artists seems rather unlikely in a show that is often so diliberate about foreshadowing thing that will happen later.
Seems more likely to me that Gems didn't know how to summon weapons yet and that is why no one summons them. Its probably something that they discover during the course of the war, on both sides.
where have u been? Its sadly a rather common ship. Despite it clearly not being canon, also luckily western animation doesn't make harem shows
have you like ever watched an episode with Connie in it? like ever?
I understand not liking her or her episodes but if you seriously think she isn't gonna be the end game your delusional
I am not fond of shipping in general, but I love it when Tumblr goes fucking apeshit whenever someone tries to ship -any- Gem with a male character, be it fan character or character from the show. Like there is some unwritten rule that all Gems must be lesbians (they only make exception for Greg and Rose).
She's short and naive, he's short and naive; it works on a basic level.
Nah bro, if anyone dies at the end of the show, its gonna be Steven
but its ok Peridot will be happy,
>gay space rocks are appalled that a human fucked one of their kind to make an autistic abomination hybrid
really hope were done with it for now.
I don't mind bombs every now and then, i dont even mind the hiatus following them, but I only like bombs when they have 5 episodes that go really well put together.
I hope we go back to weekly for a little while, I would enjoy a bit of calming down plot wise just to let the characters breath and grow into the new status quo
>but she gave a confusing forces-of-the-universe explanation that's more like Pearl's than Amethyst's
Ruby has a weapon, the cestus (or whatever it was) ...but Garnet is not Ruby. Half of her is Sapphire, to whom Future Vision probably counts as a weapon (like Lapis controlling water).
So Garnet would actually have to focus and train herself to use the weapon that comes naturally to Ruby (and would be upgraded due to her status as a fusion).
Nah he never went ahead and did it, and it turned out he wasn't even contemplating it over the pewey nonsense but because some people in real life were bullying him over something.
were on 4chan, are we really allowed to complain about internet bullying? I mean its bad and thats a stupid reason to do it, but its not like we're in a spot to talk to people about how they shouldn't bully people on the net or that their reasons are petty
is just a fusion of all three Diamonds, Blue, Pink and Yellow
Quartz gems are high-ranking footsoldiers assigned as guards to a given Diamond. The question is: which Diamond did she "belong" to before defecting?
You would imagine, given her color scheme, clearly Pink.
What we don't know is anything about Pink Diamond, at all. Other than that she's apparently not counted among the Diamond Authority any more.
Well most of the things we have seen suggest that your color determines who you worked for, Sapphire worked for Blue Diamond, Jasper who is orange and Peridot who is green, both colors made from yellow, work for Yellow Diamond. Not to mention Blue Pearl and Yellow Pearl
So it seems likely that Rose would have worked for Pink Diamond, assuming theories about her being Pink Diamond somehow are wrong
they threw them into the ocean at the Galaxy Warp which seems to be in the middle of the ocean, its highly possible they are too deep to retrieve now
unless your Lapis, it will be just like that time that Pierre swam to the bottom of the lake to get Paulette's friendship bracelet
Creators confirmed that she's gonna get a weapon
>peri has been holding a drill in most latest episode
>they've been building a drill, a symbol of her newly found connection
>stevencrew are friends with Trigger
Post your face when it's a drill THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS
The drill thing has been laid on pretty thick, but I wouldn't mind a swerve when it comes to Peridot's summoned weapon if she gets one.
the thing that bothers me about the rose being a diamond theory is that if they were gonna reveal that it would've been in "it could've been great" when peridot was talking shit about rose.
rose being a diamond sounds like something that pearl would've said to make peridot eat shit.
actually sounds pretty legit, maybe have an episode about trying to teach to summon it before they go in and her finally being able to do it, using her drill to personally shatter the cluster
honestly at this point I highly doubt Rose is Pink Diamond, it just doesn't add up anymore, the only reasonable crack theory I have heard for it. is that Rose is basically Kami and Piccallo, and Bismuth the gem imprisoned in Lion is her other half needed to form Pink Diamond
But Ruby is red and she was assigned to be Sapphire's bodyguards? And Jaspers are orange and have been seen under both Blue Diamond AND Yellow Diamond.
>assuming theories about her being Pink Diamond somehow are wrong
They ARE wrong.
1) She is a well documented Quartz, consistent with what we know about other quartz.
2) We see part of the Pink Diamond mural on moonbase, and PD had long, shapely legs.
>Rose actually defeated a diamond in the war
>It was HER diamond
>It is the reason the HM gems retreated, nobody ever defeated a diamond before
why are you people arguing with me, I was assuming that theories about Pink Diamond being Rose Quartz were wrong, I don't need to be told why they are wrong when I already know this
come one anon, you can try harder than that
Yeah, I know, I'm just adding to your statement anon SHEESH
Probably something like that. Maybe PD was a bro and sacrificed herself or something but that's doesn't really matter for now
I do wonder why they specifically don't show PD mural in the moon base? Do they just want the design to be more surprising? Or do they just keep mystery for mystery sake?
I don't think that's an accurate statement. Gem weapons, in this context, refers to the solid light constructs that some Gems can materialize from their gemstones, similar to how they create their clothes and bodies. You can't really say, for example, that Sapphire's weapon is future vision; it's something she uses in battle, yes, but she doesn't materialize solid future vision using light from her gemstone. Same with Lapis Lazuli and her water control powers, or Peridot's limb enhancers; they're "weapons" used by Gems, but they're not "Gem weapons".
I think this is what some call the Four Terms Fallacy: using a word to mean one thing in one context and a very different thing in another context, then treating the two meanings as equivalent even when they're not.
>Or do they just keep mystery for mystery sake?
I'm betting it's this. It's the easiest way to avoid writing yourself into a corner, just leave a loose end here and there so later you can splice them together.
They could always have PD show up as Steven's grandmother or something. One day she just wanders out of Rose's room or some shit.
>That bulging belly
Stevonie wasn't fat and Pearl is like 100 times slimmer than Connie
STOP FORCE FEEDING THESE INNOCENT CARTOON CHARACTERS TUMBLR
Nah, seriously, even Rose isn't actually fat
why are people in this fan based so obsessed with if characters are fat or not?
I would call that chubby at best.
Personally I think this is one of the better attempts I have seen at designing a fusion we haven't seen before
Its the belly anon
Buldging belly disproportionate to the rest of body is the line between thick and fat
I'll stop being obsessed once I get my Thick Rose fan art, instead of rolls of fat every body adds to her
I do hope Rainbow Quartz 2.0 is presented as not-Rainbow Quartz 1.0
While we don't know RQ, Garnet and Amethyst will constantly be confused on his/her alleged different personality
>Ruby is red
If Pink Diamond is dead/missing/whatever by this point, then it makes sense that her troops (which red Rubies would likely be) would probably be divided up among the remaining Diamonds.
>Jaspers are orange
Jaspers come in a variety of colors, even blue. Yellow, red, and orange are just the most common.
>you television prlvilleges
nah she will be way too happy about getting to fuse with "Rose" again, also she might not freak out about them because they will just naturally be there as opposed to having to actively create and maintain working organs within her physical form
>Same with Lapis Lazuli and her water control powers
Except that the Crewniverse has explicitly stated that Lapis Lazuli's weapon is her water control.
The problem is on your end; you assume that a Gem's weapon has to be something materialized using light from her gem, when in fact it doesn't.
That's a bit too femenine, not even Stevonnie looks that femenine.
Actually this makes me think, Stevonnie looks more like a girl because Steven is still barely a teenager and looks more like a girl but how will Stevonnie look when Steven gets older, a beard and much more manly?
>You will never see another episode like jailbreak again.
The problem is that they're using the term "weapon" to mean something entirely different, leaving the question of "What is Lapis Lazuli's Gem weapon?" unaddressed. Her water control isn't her weapon because it's something completely different from a Gem weapon.
so this is literally the exact same topic as yesterday
>I'm not sure if this has been answered/speculated in previous SU generals
>Mods actually deleted the post because they knew it was right and they're the reason SU is split into multiple threads that leave /co/ even worse off than with the general
No. You are wrong.
Ian literally said that Lapis Lazuli's weapon is water control. That is her weapon. It is directly addressed.
It is the exact same thing as every other Gem weapon: using her energy to manipulate something into a functional form. Except instead of manipulating light to form a spear, she's manipulating water for form giant hands and shit.
Matt said the rest of the season is the best run of episodes yet, and Joe said what he believes to be his best and favorite episode (and song) have yet to air so i'm pretty stoked.
>No. You are wrong.
It's entirely true that water control is not the same thing as creating matter from light. Equating the two is wrong, not pointing out the differences.
>It is the exact same thing as every other Gem weapon: using her energy to manipulate something into a functional form. Except instead of manipulating light to form a spear, she's manipulating water for form giant hands and shit.
It's exactly like the other Gems' ability to project matter from their gems, except that instead of projecting matter from her gem, she's making water move on its own.
That's a fairly significant difference. Her ability to control water is separate from, and irrelevant to, the question of what sort of weapon she can create from her gem.
This is better than having a general because people who actually want to discuss the show can instead of being drowned out by post like "I WANT TO LICK JASPER'S BICEPS"
She's way more understanding/passionate than zim.
>Oh my god....
The fuck are you on about? It is one of the least weird Steven ships.
Peridot wasn't there to raise him, she doesn't have any emotional connection to Rose, emotionally she is as immature as he is, they are close to the same height, they get along really well, she is capable of matching his extended lifespan, etc.
Second to Connie she is the closest to a kid his own age that Steven actually hangs out with.
It is one of the least weird Steven ships. It is just cute.
Midget Peridot is worst Peridot, I want the fucking limb enhancers back.
The clothes are part of their bodies in the sense that they are part of their projected selves.
They can shapeshift to have seven vajaynas and shitting dicknipples. At least temporarily.
Who is the most underrated gem and why is it Water bear?
I don't really care one way or the other about thick or thin Rose, but dear god that art style is ugly
Its the mostly lazy and painfully generic thing I have ever seen
There was this really surreal Cn ad a while back
I doubt were gonna see much of Homeworld this season anymore, we are probably going to resolve the Cluster and Malachite, I don't expect whoever Yellow Diamond is sending to arrive until season 3
They didn't but I bet that's because they will be leaving for another episode, maybe an episode focused on both knowing each other and Peridot appreciating a human or something like that
sound about right, although other diamonds could probably be broken down more, but we have no info yet on how it will be broken up
also thats probably like the rest of the show, so like 5-6 seasons and like an ending movie probably
Nah, I'm just taking out of my ass
I still remember then I though that this is gonna be a cutesy cartoon with no plot, and that time I thought that Peridot is gonna be a villain
I trust this show to surprise me
her limb enhancers are artificial
the gems' weapons aren't "materialized" but rather summoned from their gem, made of their same light
that's why when Peri got poofed her limb enhancers didn't
There are two things I'm guessing at;
Summoning a weapon has more to do with the caste system perhaps. Everyone could do it, but rules say no. Jasper's a warrior, she's allowed to pull a helmet out of her face. Peridot's not a warrior, therefore she was either not allowed to try, or aware she even could try.
Otherwise I'm guessing gem construct weapons might've been something that came about from the war. Pearl and Rose both used non construct weapons in their attack on the Sky Arena. And this sort of supports the idea >>79079676 said about Jasper.
And even then, that might've become factored into the caste system after the fact.
Guys, so when the main plot is resolved and the series comes to an end, do you think it's possible, if the demand is still will be there, for them to do a classic anime move and do a time jump to more grown up Steven, with new main plot?
The show is much like Dragon Ball after all
it doesn't work like that, gems can't get bigger, they are the size that they are. If they try and maintain a larger form they will over stress there gem and the form will collapse. This has been shown twice, in Reformed with Amethyst and in Steven's Birthday with Steven
so that Steven's Birthday or Reformed happens all over again?
since sug is taboo and i don't feel like waiting around for an appropriate thread have some shit i did because boredom. i dunno if there were better versions of these floating around already or not
>also luckily western animation doesn't make harem shows
u fuckin wot m8
According to Ian, the show always takes place in the summer months at all times unless it is convenient for the crew to have a few episodes at some other point, like for Winter Forecast and Maximum Capacity.
of course not, we had a snow-in episode. also the real Rehoboth/Dewey/Lewis/Betheny beach area is actually really pretty and quiet in the winter when there're no tourists and there's snow on the ground. You can walk on the beach for miles with nothing ahead but the unbroken snow and the waves
>Despite it clearly not being canon
it's SUBTEXT, anon
>According to Ian
Well, his opinion is almost as reliable as Matt's
No, Amedot is subtext
shall we agree to disagree or shall a break out the fast forwarded long rant about Amedot subtext?
what are people's theories on pink diamond now that we've seen yellow and blue and seen that they're HUGE? I know the assumption for a while had been that the convenient defacing of the pink diamond statue in the arena was that it was probably rose, but she's not nearly big enough to match blue and yellow.
I don't really care I just wanted to make the reference
Behold. Peridot's Weapon!
Nice work anon, made some transparent versions of yours without white backgrounds, using my shit-tier GIMP skills.
RIP David Bowie
I think Lapis's weapon is her wings, or to be specifc, a small supply of water (or a watery substitute) that she can use as an escape method, or as a weapon in a dry enviornment.
Solid 10/10 episode incoming, I can feel it.
So who's going to take Peri's fusion virginity? (fuginity?)
>Relief is a sculptural technique where the sculpted elements remain attached to a solid background of the same material. The term relief is from the Latin verb relevo, "to raise." To create a sculpture in relief is to give the impression that the sculpted material has been raised above the background plane.
I don't think she did? It makes sense, since the weapon literally comes out of the gemstone, so that'd be hard to do when the gem is cracked.
I imagine fusion would also be difficult or impossible?
Our Ruby's weapon is a single armored bracer with a non armored glove.
to be fair, we have seen garnet only summon a single glove at a time and we have seen both Pearl and Amethyst summon 2 of their weapon
I don't know why we would think that Ruby could only ever summon just one
Greg isn't homeless. His home is with Rose and Steven. As for living quarters, Greg built the house, he just doesn't live in it. What a guy, build a house for his son but doesn't stay so his son can learn all the things that he cannot give. True sacrifice, right there.
>His home is with Rose and Steven
Anon shut the fuck up
No, he lives in a van because he's piss poor and can not afford a decent house. He couldn't offer Steven a decent home to raise him in.
He's useless and a loser.
His only chance at success was Marty and he bailed out on him.
You're assuming that the different Diamonds don't collaborate and that their provinces never overlap in any way. Yes, BD got pissed off when Ruby fused with "a member of her court", but we were also told Sapphire was Gem nobility. A royal court typically doesn't include rank and file soldiers even thought they also serve their king/queen/tsar/whatever. So it's sort of like a chamber guard fucking a duchess right in your throne room, the act of which also happens to fuck your war campaign all to hell.
He could summon two shields - we've seen Gems create multiple weapons all the time. He just doesn't do it because for him, making a weapon is hard - he was visibly tired after making three shields in one day.
>Steven becomes rowdy teen
>keeps trying to fuck Peridot
>they just keep accidentally fusing right before he gets to the pussy every time
>become frustrated screaming stevidot
>explode back into base elements
God I really hope we get to see something like this in the Drop beat dad episode but I'm pretty sure the whole "steven's perspective" thing is gonna ruin it
The entire series is Steven's POV. There's never a scene where he isn't around, and the audience never sees things that Steven couldn't see himself. The only exceptions are flashback episodes, where we see what he's imagining happened.
God please let this happen
LET THIS HAPPEN PLEASE SUGAR
Also I reimagine this scene with Vidalia, Marty and Sour Cream
are you refering to the white diamond gif thing on the wikia? that's like 60% arbitrary work on that artist's part. even when piecing together little glances we got there's not enough to get quite a working model of whitediamonds wall, and nothing to help fill in the blanks with the planets
Lapis or Amethyst. She and Pearl get along the best, but a fusion between them would have way too much sexual tension, just due to their personalities and how they act towards each other, and I don't think the writers are going for a Pearidot ship.
Amethyst would be the only Crystal Gem that Peri could fuse with without it being particularly awkward.
With Lapis, I could see a situation where they're both in trouble and the best solution is to fuse. Lapis already knows how, and Peridot mostly understands it, even if she hasn't done it yet.
Not as a shipping thing, but yeah, I think it's likely that they'll fuse. They've still eventually gotta deal with Malachite, and when they do, it would not surprise me at all if Lapis and Peridot, as Jasper's former underlings, wound up in a situation of peril together.
Hey, that's not
I guess it is kind of exactly like that.
>Peridot is uncomfortable with it
>Lapis hates it after Malachite
>Steven is in danger or w/e, forcing them to fuse
>Peridot gains an understanding she never imagined
>Lapis knows what it's like to be fused peacefully
Plus, it would be a huge trust thing. I mean, look what Lapis was able to do to Jasper; Peridot doesn't have that kind of will. She's basically giving herself to Lapis and trusting her with her entire being.
I feel like it'll be Garnet in a tutorial capacity, but that Amethyst will be the first stable fusion and first to actually see any action. Darkhorse bet here is that we symultaneously get peri's first and confirmation that Steven can fuse with gems at the same time.
I just saw episode 27-28, and Peridots monologue in the moon base control room, about how Rose Quarts didn't save earth and just doomed it further, was almost word for word an Issue I brought up 2 months ago, and yellow diamonds desire to destroy earth.
It basically confirms that Rose making Steven was the stupidest possible move on her part.
Earth wasn't safe as Homeworld was still a threat, because 6000 years is a weekend to gems.
AND it confirmed my operating sequence of events, which another anon was arguing against with poor rationalizations
Basically the issues are thus:
If only 4 crystal gems remained, why did home-world not just overpower them with focused shock troops?
They claimed that Home-world didn't think that the crystal gems existed anymore, or where no threat in military combat, especially after being that cut off for that long from home-world development of tech, AND that the cluster birth was more desirable than the re-ignitions of the kinder-gardens
If Gems have long life, bordering on technical immortality, why god why are they expansionist and willing to demolish entire life sustaining worlds, making them sterile even for the gems own reproduction purposes, and in the process making enemies of every other race in the local universe?
Sentient Immortal Holograms, who don't have to eat HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO NATURAL EXTERNAL MOTIVATING FACTOR for this behavior
And as Sugar has said "there are no villains" in SU, this is the biggest Issue the central driving factor has
That does sound pretty good, but now that you mention it, Lapis being afraid to fuse again after the nightmare of being Malachite makes a lot of sense, which means we'd probably have a shit ton of episodes between her revealing her phobia and her getting over it. And at SU's glacier pace, I'm expecting to see the next Lapis fusion in 2021.
Dancing Peridot is best Peridot.
My good friend, you are blessed with the gift of patience, if you have waited for so long before seeing your marvelous analysis confirmed. Why not further your efforts, and wait until all, and not only a part, of your clever assumptions, are proven true, before passing such a severe judgement on the whole logic of the series?
Certainly it would be much more satisfying for you, and more of a pleasure for us, if you could show us once again an example of your strong phlegm and restraint, by waiting until all factors and plans are clearly revealed before sharing your views.
Honestly my assumption is that either they already have a really big enemy and they need all the gems they can make to fight it, or they're driven by a pre-programmed directive that the Diamonds haven't really had sufficient reason to ignore since, aside from the Earth (which was a minor hiccup) doing what they've been doing has been working out pretty well for them.
As for Rose, some may say that she made Steven as part of a keikaku to change Homeworld and save Earth, but I don't really believe it. For starters, why make Steven now and not earlier? And secondly Homeworld isn't really invading for the most part, they just need to wait for the clock to run out, Yellow Diamond pretty much won six thousand years ago. Honestly I suspect that Rose making Steven was due to both a longstanding desire on Rose's part to not be anymore, and Greg being exactly the right kind of person.
>going through the wiki
But seriously, that's pretty cool.
first off, it would be extremely retarded if he couldnt fuse with gems if he could with a human
second, it just makes sense that the first gem that they would fuse with would be with eachother
While admittedly her assault on the sky arena while only bringing Pearl with her (or alternatively, starting a rebellion against an intergalactic empire with literally only one person on your side, and 'person' could be considered arguable on a societal level) IS pretty dumb, the way she treated Garnet when they met the second time showed passable skill at manipulation.
Yeah, but in the early episodes new ones showed up all the time. It would be shockingly convenient if, after thousands of years, they just happened to find the very last wayward broken gems just in time for Homeworld shenanigans.
Do you see her colour? Also did you see the symbol on Pearl's spacesuit in the robolympics episode?
She served under Pink Diamond. She wasn't one, because she's nowhere near large enough to be a diamond herself.
if you had any reading comprehension at all you would see the argument puts ANY attempted explanation into contradiction with itself, or doesn't explain any of the issues
I don't have to wait for an explanation that won't fix anything
Also I know your being an ass, because if i waited till after it was explained and the series concluded you wouldn't think I had come to that conclusion before, and would ignore Plot holes that would NEVER be resolved
My best friend made me read Watchmen long before it was ever going to be a movie
I told him flatly that the ending with the giant monster was stupid, and It would make more sense with Ozy using the Duplicated powers of Dr. Manhattan to cause the distaster, and for the world to blame Dr. Manhattan
When it was announced to be a movie I told him this again, and he still didn't believe me
When we saw the movie he was pissed he didn't get the stupid monster
>Other than that she's apparently not counted among the Diamond Authority any more.
wheres that from? there are hints of that, like the destroyed pink diamond statue in Sworn to the Sword, but nothing canonical to swear to to my knowledge
The Diamond logo is three triangles instead of four diamonds, one of the statues is broken, and on a few older emblems, we can see the Pink part of the emblem is defaced. We don't know the circumstances, but all that together points to Pink being persona non grata.
Can't fucking wait for more Cool Kids & Farty Marty. Bound to be based
holy fucking kek
>r they already have a really big enemy and they need all the gems they can make to fight it,
that literally only pushes the Stupid Evil Motivation one step further, and still contradicts Sugar about "no villains"
>or they're driven by a pre-programmed directive that the Diamonds haven't really had sufficient reason to ignore
So you are saying "why not burn down the forest after your camp fire has been so useful"?
Real smart there
Yes, rose is stupid
Leave earth unprotected
Leave all the corrupt gems unfixed
Leave my loyal supporters to fix my mess
This is not an explaination
What reason do they have to fight wars? land? from the people they are killing? from other gems?
That is circular, and Stupid Evil
Writer Convince is a synonym for Stupid
>gem corruption unexplained
>central issue of season 1
>70+ episodes gone, and no explanation in sight, few to No gem monsters after season 1
I don't know where you got that from. It seems pretty clear that Rose didn't understand Greg or his feelings at all, but he was able to make her want to try.
Even if he was pretty much the excuse Rose had been looking for to commit consciousness-suicide, dude had an impact on her.
Then you need to wait for Lapis to come back
You know what the fuck I just realized
Sour Cream's jacket is actually Marty's.
Maybe Marty DID go to Vidalia's for something that right now is highly theorizable.
He may have left his jacket in there, and Vidalia stored it (in plans of throwing it all away but never did), and Sour Cream found it and grew fond of it.
It was speculated for a while that Rose was pink Diamond and diamond was a title more than an actual gem
It was also used to explain how she had so much gem support on earth
Why would spanking brand new young gems serve and die for a home-world traitor Quarts? going against their programmed nature?
Wait are you questioning why the gems render worlds uninhabitable in general or what's the deal with the Cluster specifically?
Because the Cluster seems to pretty clearly just be Yellow Diamond's vanity project, and as for the ever-expanding empire, I do think it might be as simple as they don't have a compelling reason to stop. Like any sapient life they've encountered they don't really have any incentive to make peace with, and any opposition they've encountered has been minimal.
But yeah Rose wasn't the saint the Crystal Gems thought she was, and honestly I would be dissapointed if Steven was part of her master plan.
It's incredibly likely that Marty isn't entirely the piece of shit Greg made him out to be. He was probably an asshole, but there was likely more of a human side to him than Greg remembers years later. It's entirely possible he tried to be some part of Sour Cream's life, at least at first.
He'll probably show up again at some point, and be redeemed at least a little bit, if only in a "You had the right idea, Greg" sort of way. SU is clearly not a show that considers anyone to be totally irredeemable.
>dude had an impact on her
Not really, at all. She treated him like a pet or a toy then when she realised she could succesfully experiment with him the so many failed experiments she did with the rest of Earth's organic life, she emulated what humans do when they are in love.
>so much gem support on Earth
Oh yes. One whole Pearl.
It seems pretty obvious that Rose recruited gems the old-fashioned way by appealing to societal rejects and outcasts, and leveraged that into a big fighting force through the power of Fusion as well as unconventional tactics.
But all that did was kind of stall Homeworld until they kicked her teeth in and left her to bleed out while they planned to fuck the Earth with their science.
Pretty good for just a treacherous combat medic, utterly pathetic for one of the four gem-matriarchs.
Oh, I can't believe I forgot all of those. I see now.
Rose is probably not Pink Diamond. It just doesn't make any sense. She's probably just a high-ranking rebellious Pink Diamond official, and considering her intense charisma it just makes sense she'd be able to convince the fringe groups of the Gems. I'd rather bet my money that she killed Pink Diamond herself, which caused the Diamonds to retreat.
Yes, a relief.
Are you the same uncivilized retard who thought cyan and magenta are "fancy terminology"?
I don't think she understood what humans do when they're in love. Otherwise she'd be able to do a much better job of it after their dance. Like even from a tactical perspective, Rose had nothing to gain by showing how different she is from humans mentally.
>Why would spanking brand new young gems serve and die for a home-world traitor Quarts?
Pearl, Garnet, and Amethyst are the surviving members of the rebellion because a magic nuke went off and rekt everything not in Rose's immediate defense bubble. There are references to her having a huge army on her side throughout the show.
Why she went in with just Pearl in The Answer I have no idea, but the remaining CGs are part of what was once a much larger faction.
Quite a lot, as of late. Primarily, we've seen the Diamonds, and they're far bigger than Rose. Not to mention they both had diamond-shaped gems (Rose's is circular), and though we didn't see all of Pink's mural, the little we did see doesn't look like Rose. To cap it off, one of the creators suggested that Rose could simply be a powerful specimen of Quartz - she's the right size for one, and her abilities aren't that outlandish compared to some of the bullshit we've seen Gems pull off.
The Rose theories have become a lot less common since then, and most of them are getting a lot weirder - often involving forced downgrades, disguises, and being de-fused with Bismuth.
I'm starting to think that Rose took control of Pink Diamond's army and Pink Diamond was punished/destroyed for failing to keep her subordinate in check.
Alternatively, Pink Diamond was actually pro-Gem freedom and helped Rose with her rebellion. Either way, I think it's likely that Pink Diamond was quietly disposed of and no one was told what happened to her or why, since the rest of the Diamonds have to keep up the pretense that Diamonds are infallible.
I agree that at this point the cluster is YD's vanity project
But my issue is with gems reproduction being so non-renewable, AND their ridiculous lifespans, and how their expansionism, is destructive to themselves two-fold
they are running out of planets, AND its only a matter of time till they run into a species that wrecks their shit
You don't need to be a genius to see the inherent un-sustainability of that
The wildfire analogy is spot on, either it burns itself out with no more stuff to burn or
Eventually one of the forest inhabitant will fight back with water
I do wonder if maybe the diamonds are some kind of fusion. The correlation of size and fusions, but also possibly just strength, has been consistent. The only thing they're missing are the extra limbs and eyes. I wonder if Rose may have been a compontent to Pink Diamond.
The issue it faces now is that we've seen the diamonds and Rose can't compare in size. The consistent ominous omission of any depictions of Pink diamond make it entirely likely that she'd be recognizable, suggesting she's Rose, but it's not clear what missing piece fills the gap now that we know Rose was not diamond size or strength.
What also confuses me is that Peridot didn't make any note at all of there being a Pink Diamond on the moon base, despite glimpses of her engraving and reason to believe that Peridot would either recognize Pink Diamond being the fangirly subordinate she is, or be off put by the presence of a diamond she wasn't familiar with being the fangirly subordinate she is.
Blue and Yellow Diamond share a lot of visual similarities to each other in shape, size, and gem-cut and Rose has none of those similarities, and no gem has been shown to change how their own gem is shaped (even Amethyst just usually has a discolored spot where the gem should be while taking the form of another gem). Even if White Diamond having a forehead gem does indicate that Pink Diamond probably has a naval gem, it's still really unlikely.
Rose Quartz actually being Pink Diamond was a plausible theory for a while, but after Peridot joined the main cast we've gotten some more insight into Gem society, and it doesn't add up.
For one, she specifically recognized Steven's gem as a Quartz-type gem, and they're specifically an elite soldier caste, separate from the Diamonds.
For another, it would make sense for the gigantic leader figure to be a Diamond... but we've seen Yellow Diamond in person, and she's gigantic compared to any other Gem, Rose included.
Also, Peridot worshiped the ground the Diamonds stood on. If Rose Quartz was a diamond, she would been bowing a scraping in front of Steven, and also would be deeply confused as to how a Diamond (whose wisdom is absolute) could go against another Diamond (whose wisdom is also absolute).
Uh, yeah... They are literally named after the gem on their body and nothing else.
Ian confirmed this on Twitter along with Peridot going into detail herself about what a Quartz is.
There are no 'titles'.
She treated him like a pet until she realized that he's a complex being, just like her, with feelings and motivations. He was the very first human to make her realize that people are sapient and functioning, just like her. Theorists like to believe that Rose is some sort of Dr. Gero-esque super scientist who sacrificed herself to create the ultimate life form, but I think she was just a organic life fetishist.
>AND its only a matter of time till they run into a species that wrecks their shit
>You don't need to be a genius to see the inherent un-sustainability of that
Gems consider themselves to be the ultimate lifeform. The idea that they could run into an alien race that was somehow better then them is not a thought that would ever occur to any of them.
I don't know why anyone thought the mods' word was worth anything. They're flippant as fuck and don't seem to give a shit about being fair or having universal rules that apply to every fandom or such, so why would they give a shit about respecting a promise they'd given.
Did she ever stop treating him like a pet? They had a heart to heart at the end of We Need To Talk, but I never got the impression that she genuinely started treating him with respect. The conversation was more of "oh, am I not doing human relationships right? this sure is hard!"
>Also he's the only one working
The only episode that shows him working in the car wash Steven and the Stevens.
He doesn't earn shit.
Amy has a shitton of cash and is the one who buys the shit food she and Steven eat
And the house was built by the Gems.
Yeah I know. That was one half of the point of the episode, that Rose and Greg weren't love at first sight because Rose didn't even really understand what love is. But the other half of the point was that Greg was perceptive enough to notice that, and reach out to her, in a way that Rose was able to reciprocate.
>Oh yes. One whole Pearl.
Who apparently left all those weapons lying around in the strawberry fields.
No, what likely happened was the Diamond Authority realized they couldn't hold onto earth, because fighting Rose's Army was just that much of a fucking logistical nightmare, so they carried out the orbital bombardment equivalent of a Stalingrad retreat, shat a brick when they saw her survive and ran.
Who the hell do you think she is?
Last panel looks like Marty is making out with Yellowtail
Rose was utterly fascinated by the human condition. It's why in Lion 3, Rose is filming Greg instead of the other way around. Rose is part of a species where pretty much your entire existence - your personality, your abilities, your job, your wants, your desires, your appearance - is decided for you the moment you emerge from the ground. There are divergences, but it's difficult and rare. But none of that is the case for a human. A human can be anything.
>"Isn't it remarkable, Steven? This world is full of so many possibilities. Each living thing has an entirely unique experience. The sights they see, the sounds they hear. The lives they live are so complicated... a-and so simple. I can't wait for you to join them."
I agree with it logically, in-world, but given the narrative of the show I'm sure it'll be spun more in Rose's favor. Even if it makes less sense, I feel like they'll have it that Rose effectively beat them back by her own efforts albeit at the cost of most of her army.
Ah I get you now.
Though according to Ian the show's seen in Steven's perspective, and he had seen Marty's photo and he didn't have shark teeth. Yet Steven imagined him that way.
Kinda inconsistent to be honest
They didn't run. A: they thought they killed her and B: they already decided on the Cluster plan so they had no reason to stay on Earth.
Also I'm saying that if she was Pink Diamond, she would have started out with approximately a quarter of all gems on her side and willing to die for her, as opposed to "a small but dedicated resistance" that seems like it could have just been Pearl.
Do you not understand that insurrections can grow in size?
What he meant to say was, it's pretty clear that Rose didn't start with the army that fought in the strawberry fields. If she was a Diamond, she'd have probably started out with a decent-sized force of traitors and personal guards and opportunists and extremely faithful Gems - instead, she started with a Pearl.
I remember people kept using this as proof that Garnet was a fusion and others were saying it was an animation error and that Sugar herself said that Garnet is not a fusion. Good times
I happened to just rewatch it a few minutes before your post, and there really isn't anything in her conversation with him that implies that she suddenly has respect for him and is going to start treating him like an equal. She's happy he doesn't know much about her, brushes off his concerns the short time they've known each other and how he feels rushed, brushes off a question from him about her backstory and then she admits that she has no idea how human relationships work but wants to figure it out with him. There's no acknowledging him as a complex being, or apologizing for her condescending behavior, or revealing any core part of herself to him. Still reads as 100% her trying out a sexual relationship with an organic lifeform for the lulz, not any kind of genuine respect for him.
Peridot had no idea who the Crystal Gems were. And Jasper didnt' seem to expect survivors.
Also come on, you really think Homeworld ran away from three to four (unclear if Amethyst emerged yet) people? That's utterly retarded you utter retard.
sometimes people are drawn with sharp teeth
usually it's a sign that they're beng a dick
I don't know if it's a thing a particular boarder does
it happens to peridot a lot
My impression is that the Cluster is a weapon they can turn to use on other planets. YD used Earth to make it because even thinking about Rose's rebellion pissed her off and she wanted to blot it out, the Cluster itself is going to be used on another target.
it's spelled Quartz with a z btw
We don't know much about Pink Diamond or her forces. It's entirely possible, considering Rose's healing powers, weapon of shield, plant control etc that Pink's specialty was somehow more humane or protective or nurturing, which made them more suspectible for the gem equivalent of hippie bullshit like "organic life is valuable too and should be protected". So it's possible that Rose's save the apes and the environment misson gained more ground among Pink Diamond's troops, and the other Diamonds dethroned and destroyed PD for allowing such a situation to develop.
I agree with the other anons that Rose can't have been PD. She's not large, imposing or powerful enough (heck she's smaller than Jasper, so she's just Quartz size), and also her name is "Quartz" ffs. Also I think Jasper or Peridot might have made some mention of Rose being a former Diamond during their gloating - Jasper fought in the first war for Earth, so she was around when Pink Diamond was still part of the authority, so she'd have known if Rose would have morphed from a Diamond to a Quartz (even if that'd be possible).
>"a small but dedicated resistance" that seems like it could have just been Pearl.
You're fixating on the fact she just brought Pearl with her, when there are a number of reasons for that besides she was just that small time. Reasons like she was there to assassinate Blue Diamond. Or that Garnet simply told a G-Rated version of the story, because she's telling it to Steven and doesn't want to make him cry.
Because they've never made a geo-weapon like the Cluster before and want to use it as a proof-of-concept and also because Yellow Diamond is really bitter that Rose even got as far as she did and so doesn't even want the Earth to remain in the severely altered form it would have after colonization, instead she wants the whole thing gone.
They're wasting a planet on the cluster becuase Yellow Diamond demands that, and Yellow Diamond demands it because she's salty as fuck, which is why Peridot decided to rebel.
This is all clearly stated in the show, what are you not understanding?
calm down a bit there buddy
maybe kindergarten production on Earth had already ceased at that point, or maybe they had the Cluster incubate prior to the start of the War so that they could potentially blow up the planet if need be
Understatement. Peridot was geeking out at the kind of facility they could've made out of Earth.
>They're wasting a planet on the cluster becuase Yellow Diamond demands that, and Yellow Diamond demands it because she's salty as fuck.
Yeah, pretty much this.
Now that is a good question. Presuambly a method exists to ensure the Cluster's loyalty, since neither Peridot nor Diamond seem to think of it as an issue worthy of concern. No idea what that is though.
Hell if I know, I don't write for the show and Ian himself has admitted that these inconsistencies don't matter since it's just a cartoon.
Peridot seems to have fangs whenever it would be cute and regular teeth whenever it wouldn't be cute. Even Lauren Zuke, who draws her with fangs most frequently, switches back and forth.
Most likely? She's snaggletoothed and could use some braces, but she's not a shark.
>the house was built by the Gems
That's not true though. Haven't you watched the extended intro? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rhgcPmWPOA
>"whooh! Building a house is not easy"
Also if the car wash wouldn't give any money he'd lose the building, unless he owns it and the land it stands on.
Also where the hell are you getting this "Amy has shitton of cash" thing? Has that ever been shown? She has a shit ton of junk, but money? Amy is the only one of the gems we've seen eating, but not really buying any food.
Also Greg was the one who took care of baby Steven, the Gems were useless at that. Steven only moved in with the gems at age what, six, seven? It's seen in the extended intro, he's definitely older than 5.
Why are you so set on hating Greg? He's doing a pretty good job of being there for his son in a really difficult situation.
I think even six-seven is pushing it. Steven seems to barely know anything about how the Gems work by the beginning of the series (he'd never heard of a fusion before Giant Woman, and he didn't know the Gems were immortal until So Many Birthdays), which wouldn't make any sense if he's been living with them for several years.
I think in "the Answer" they said it was something like 5750 years ago? That's when BD was still on diplomatic mission, trying to defuse the rebellion.
So it'd be something like 3000 years BC, which is when humans were just transitioning from the Stone age to the Bronze age.
I'm fairly sure humans were already having love affairs etc and experiencing complex feelings etc that were what interested Rose so much
Greg also implies that humans fought during the war, and Pearl claims to have been familiar with knights in the original war. It's pretty possible that human society was a lot more advanced by that point in the SUverse than it was in our time.
You think Amethyst would care or be responsible enough to manage to consistently support Steven through theft, and so that the local humans would never notice anything throughout the years? Also you think Steven would be fine with that, with Amethyst being essentially a career criminal?
It's a shit headcanon theory. Amy pretty much just eats whatever moldy burrito she comes across, and is so young and uncultured the other gems treat her like a dog with ADHD (Amethyst, fetch the stick) when Greg first starts to hang with Rose. Trying to place the mantle of "sole responsible breadwinner" on Amy is so fucking OOC it hurts.
>It's pretty possible that human society was a lot more advanced by that point in the SUverse than it was in our time.
But... That would mean they're responsible for any subsequent regression.
Yeah, it's possible he moved in at age eight or something like that, and started to stagnate with the birthdays as seen in the Steven's Birthday episodes only after he moved in with the Gems, who aren't aging and changing at all. I mean the Steven moving in looks very much like show Steven, not much younger at all.
What age was it at the album? I mean it's very possible he aged like a human as long as he was being raised by a human, but once he became a part of the gem group his body sort of took its cues off them and stopped changing, or that the gem magic surrounding him in the temple somehow influenced him
>Steven stopped aging the day he moved in with the CG's, because they themselves do not age.
Shit that makes sense. At least more than he's just staying that way because he feels young. We've seen him mature over the series plenty enough.
Good on ya' anon.