Why exactly did she form Malachite? Lapis Lazuli is supposed

>>79065217
She wanted to torment Jasper, that's all there is to it. She's not doing this for Steven.

>>79065239

Yeah. She formed Malachite for the same reason Pitcher Plants smell good to bugs.

>>79065217
i hate it when the plot hinges on a character becoming suddenly irrational, but OP, that's all there is to it. She could have single-handedly taken Jasper, not to mention the other 5 gems there.

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>>79065217
She is in fact one the strongest gems we have seen, but she seems to have a pretty weak body, maybe she formed Malachite because Jasper was holding her, and Jasper could have been able to poof her rather easy.

And yes, I think she could have used all the living beings on earth to make her bridge, or even kill them all.

>>79065217
>off /co/ for the week.
>/sug/ is back on trash
What the fuck happend?

>>79065239
Despite this I can 100% guarrantee the show and the characters will treat her as an oh so brave selfless tragic hero rather than calling her out on the uneseccary bullshit and mental torture she pulled on Jasper and herself

>>79065217
She did as as last resort to save Steven from Jasper.

>>79065217
Jasper was holding her and she's stronger physically
She hates the CGs and distrusts Homeworld she wanted to go away from everybody
For once, she was in control of someone else instead of being the prisoner herself

>>79065412
Lapis Lazuli is kinda messed up, and the other gems know that, but Steven loves her, so thats what matter to them.

>>79065217
Honestly Lapis's displays of power were pretty retarded/overpowered and they shatter suspension of disbelief.

>>79065445

There's a reason she was in the mirror.

>>79065405
Generals are only allowed when there's new content.

Steven Bomb is over, so is /sug/

>>79065463
Yeah but the mods kept the general going for almost a week after the bomb.

Same reason she didn't bust out her cell on the ship and easily overpower Jasper and Peridot, the threat of the homeworld or some other threat we don't know about yet. Maybe the insane power was just the result of her cracked jem. She basically the Shinji of su.

>>79065476
There's a little bit of leeway, I think.

You want to give people time to talk everything to death, but clip the thing's wings before it spins out of control into /mlp/

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Lapis Lazuli once built a go-kart that ran on the tears of orphans. It goes fast.

>>79065445
This
I'll be fine if Steven is the only one that treats her like she's a hero because thats to be expected of him with their relationship, but I will be internally pissed if the crewniverse don't eventually have Steven or someone call out Lapis on her bullshit, it would make for some good character building and development as well.

>>79065483
She didn't bust out of her cell because there's no water on the ship for one thing?

>>79065518
she literally stole the entire ocean with a cracked gem and used it to make a platform to the outer atmosphere they should've been fucked the moment they came near earth

Hell if you think about it did she really need to fight at all? Garnet beat Jasper one on one easy, losing the first time cause she didn't see that electric sword shit coming. Garnet plus the two other Crystal Gems taking on an weakened Jasper and they had a pretty good chance without her anyway.

Because her water manipulation takes time and Jasper would've crushed her on the spot if she tried something. And last, she doesn't trust the crystal gems either.

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>>79065217
Bitch b crazy.

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>>79065217
I am more concerned on how they will make her part of the team.

She can control the entire oceano and is stronger than all the gema together. How would you writte a fight scene where Lapis doesn't quickly defeat everyone close to the City? She can probably take several spaceships alone.

>>79065663
This bothered the shit out of me. Couldn't have Garnet and co just ran right over there and beat the holy hell out of Jasper? Why did they all let Jasper power the fuck up? What is this, a DBZ episode where everyone just stands there watching while the villain goes final form?

I guess attacking Jasper came with the risk of hurting Lapis, like a hostage, but she'd be fine as long as the gem isn't shattered.

>>79065217
Lapis is basically in a downward spiral of self-loathing and perceived helplessness.

She did it partially because she feels weak didn't think she could take on Jasper, partially because she wanted to feel in control and be on the reverse end of the prisoner-warden relationship, and partially because she just wanted to vanish and become someone else.

>>79065853
Anon, el autocorrector

>>79065853
>they will make her part of the team
Don't. Make her a vengeful neutral character neither siding with Crystal Gems or Homeworld.

>>79065663
>>79065859
Did you guys even watch the show?

Garnet didn't 1v1 Jasper easy. She was getting wrecked the entire fight. Look at the condition they were both in just before the end - Jasper looks absolutely unhurt, while Garnet looks fucked up.

Garnet won because she managed to goad Jasper into a position where she could throw her into the ship's core. Without an exploitable environmental hazard around Jasper would have just continued beat the shit out of her.

>>79065853

She is an elemental in control of water. They were literally in her element.

That puffer fish was stronger than all the gems with its wind as well, but the old granny took it out.

Lapis is weak physically. If anything gets close, or they're in a dry place, she's screwed.

>>79065894
I wouldn't mind her being Steven's consigliere, not really part of the Crystal Gems.

>>79065914
Why doesn't that ability to use her environment factor into her fighting ability? Clearly she's good enough to beat Jasper at least sometimes, because she did

>>79065895
The speed is mostly the result of there often being 500+ people in a singlet thread. Shit, there's been instances where almost a thousand IPs have been in /sug/ at once.

Look at any general. They're all the same shit, whether it's /gfg/, /sveg/, or anything else.

>>79065934
It does factor in.

But she didn't win easily, she pulled out a hat trick after a few blows from Jasper fucked her up more than every hit she'd landed combined did to Jasper. She had to struggle through that fight, and there was no power core on the beach for her to chuck Jasper into.

>>79065461
I dont thing the cg put her in there. They were very surprised that there was an actual gem in the mirror, so I think they just found it?

>>79065914
Did you? Because I have trouble believing believing anyone really thinks that. Garnet was winning pretty convincingly. Not easily, but getting a lot of good hits, dodging most of Jasper's and doing shit like shattering her helmet + discombobulating her. And a big victory song certainly isn't fitting for a losing fight... her throwing her into the ship's core was just the final blow. If she can stop Jasper in her tracks from her charging headbutt by catching her by the helmet then throw her (she does this twice, didn't she?), Garnet can probably beat her. The worse hit Jasper ever gets on Garnet is knocking her into the basement.

Jasper was most definitely not unphased by the fight and the ship crash. Jasper even says herself, "You only beat me because you're a fusion!" and she wants to fuse too so she can be just as strong.

Like I have no idea how you got "Jasper was definitely wrecking Garnet's shit" out of the fight.

Never mind that if she could barely take Garnet, she probably couldn't take on all the Crystal Gems, especially if they fused.

>>79065914
Omfg thank you. Im glad im not the only one who noticed that garnet only won the 2nd fight because she got lucky and nothing more. If they fought in literally any other room garnet would have been poofed again.

>>79066000
They might have not put her in there but Pearl and Garnet at least knew. They are x-homeworld and familiar with these things. Perhaps they didn't know she was sentient that entire time in the mirror as they wanted the mirror back once Steven hinted at it having a personality.

>>79065956
Yeah but she got rekt on the beach cause she wasn't expecting the disruptor sword thing

>>79065239
>Just let me do this for you, Steven!

>>79066049
It's worth noting that Garnet literally has prophetic spider-sense and might have planned to get knocked into the basement. Every other time Jasper charged at her, Garnet was able to overpower her.

And all the other Crystal Gems were on the beach with Garnet...

>>79066003
Watch the fight again.

Jasper is unhurt and smiling through the entire fight, until the very end, when Garnet boxes her ears. Before that she was easily tanking everything Garnet was throwing at her.

Garnet, on the other hand, looks totally fucked. Garnet was definitely a better fighter, redirecting many of Jasper's blows and using her weight against her, but she wasn't hurting Jasper much, whereas the one time Jasper got a grip on her Garnet ended up getting driven through the ship's hull and came out looking like ass

One good hit from Jasper seriously hurt Garnet, whereas everything Garnet did to Jasper caused merely superficial damage.

>>79066049
Well, she may have found another inventive way to win.

But yeah, while Garnet was the more calm and collected fighter, Jasper was definitely much stronger and tankier than her.

>>79065460
Depends on the context since it's an entire alien race of gemstones that don't need to eat, sleep, breathe, drink etc. and focus on colonizing planets

So it makes sense that Lapis is specialized for planets with water, but would naturally be useless on homeworld

Also before the fusion, Jasper already got her and was one punch away from being poofed/smashed

>>79066137
If you see a man kill a charging bull by grabbing it by the horns and throwing it into a lake, do you say the bull would have never lost if the lake wasn't there?

I did rewatch the fight. Most of the fight is ironically offscreen, but from what we see, Jasper tries to headbutt/charge Garnet three times and Garnet just catches her and throws her two of the times.

The only hit Jasper gets on Garnet that visibly hurts her is when she smashes her into the basement (which she miiight have planned on, future vision), which does seem to hurt her a lot. Besides that they were two for two with no visible damage to either.

>Jasper can't hit Garnet with the rod shit again and Garnet shatters it
>Garnet punches Jasper in the face, Jasper catches her fist and throws her, neither visible hurt by this
>Jasper charges Garnet, Garnet throws her, Jasper does it again by jumping off the ceiling, Garnet seems to catch it but is smashed into the basement, visible hurting her
>Garnet gets punched in the face, seems unphased, Jaspers gets her visor smashed, seems at least discombobulated
>Jasper gets all DBZ battle aura and starts flying around for her last charge, Garnet stops her dead in her tracks this time and throws her into the core, winning

Doesn't really seem like Garnet has so thoroughly overpowered like you make it sound.

>>79066060
>>79066129

That actually makes sense. But Garnets future vision has proven unreliable in a lot of different instances. Saphire could actually see into the future, but garnet can only see possible futures and choices. So it's anyones guess if garnet purposely led jasper to the core room or if it was just luck. knowing garnet it was probably the former but if that's the case, garnet was seeing into the future and was STILL beat up by jasper. Either way jasper needs credit because she was able to overpower a fusion. Not just outsmart a fusion like what pearl did with sugilite, but flat out overpower them.

>>79066312
Yea, it's no secret that Garnet kind of cheats by being a perma-fusion. Saphire or Ruby alone would probably never be able to stand up to even Amethyst.

>>79066312
No. Sapphire's future vision works the same way, but she was MUCH more confident in its results because gems are predictable as fuck, and she never had to deal with creatures of chaos like humans and her defective Ruby girlfriend. Sapphire learned that the future is constantly changing, and that fate isn't real.

>Stated by Pearl that Garnet is the strongest of the Crystal gems
>Pearl one shots multiple quartz fighters with ease 5750 years ago
>Gets owned by Jasper and gives Garnet a fight of her life
So I'm going to assume Jasper is a high ranking commander and not many gems in homeworld are as strong as her or they have gotten a lot stronger since then.

>>79066396
Saphire is really speedy. Amethyst is not really speedy. Saphire can see future. Amethyst can not see future. Saphire is smart, but isnt very tough. Amethyst is very tough, but is not very smart.

Add a core room and see which one wins

>>79066396
Peridot told Amethyst is the Crystal Gem that's an actual Gem. Pearls are servants, Rubies are fusion fodder, Sapphire's future vision was used as a strategic advantage she wasn't there for combat

Amethyst is probably the strongest nonfused member of the Crystal Gems

>>79066488
She also has the biggest gems

>>79066406
I like that interpretation. But I think I prefer the one where, until that day where Ruby acted out, everything was according to destiny and fate. But because of what the Ruby did, suddenly everything was wrong and going against the track of destiny. (This is exactly what Garnet's narration says.) The Crystal Gems were supposed to lose that day, but Garnet being born changed everything.

So fate IS real, it's just that Garnet's existence defies it and everything she's been doing since that day has changed it.

>>79066483
The Terrifying Renegade was on the verge of slaying Sapphire. In one episode, Amethyst was pounding on Pearl pretty hard when they fought. I'm pretty sure Sapphire would lose to Amethyst.

>>79066488
I was pretty convinced that Pearl is the better fighter, she wasn't even trying to hurt her but was effortlessly blocking her attacks, she even said that she cant beat her.

>>79066538
Sapphire wasn't really trying to fight Pearl though

She knew the other gems in Blue Diamond's court would take out Pearl and Rose Quartz after she retreated to her gem, she just wanted to go back to Homeworld

>>79066564
Because she's the experienced technical fighter, that trained the hardest

But in terms of raw power, Amethyst is "stronger"

>>79066576
We really have no gauge on Sapphire's lone combat capabilities so far. I hope we get to see her fight solo at some point.

>>79066475
>[Pearl] gives Garnet a fight of her life

When did this happen?

>>79066685
I don't even understand how SU has became so popular in the first place. I think it all started after Jailbreak. After the first Steven Bomb SU was just all over the place.

>>79066819
Frozen. 'nuff said.

>>79066685
>>79066725
Ban the shitposters
Not the threads

>>79066821
The first Steven bomb hit all the right notes for attracting people who use sites like tumblr

>Forced feels
>Songs
>Lesbian romance

All this culminated into people jumping ship from stuff like Homestuck onto Steven Universe as the SU tag on that site blew up.

>>79066868
We don't need /sug/ anyway.

>>79066868
I'm here from almost 3 years and still haven't see a single ban for a user.

>>79066821
Jailbreak really brought in a whole lot of new fans. That bomb had lore, lesbian rocks, and one of the catchiest song pieces in the show.

I don't think it would have had this effect if it ended on anything else like Steven growing catfingers again or something.

>>79066870
Okay, that's Tumblrites.
But why does /sug/ move faster than any other general?
What attracts 4chan posters to it?

>>79066870
Yeah I got it how it became popular on tumblr and shit like that. What I'm asking is how it became popular here?
>ib4

>>79066897
Lesbians and lore.

>>79066887
Because mods don't make bans public unless they're trying to set an example.

However, you can view recent bans here

http://www.4chan.org/bans

>>79066897
>>79066903
my psychic brother

>>79066897
>>79066903
obviously he's implying steven universe threads attrach tumblr to /co/

>>79066460
Oh well. It's not like we don't have another 6-7 threads active at all times across the boards.

>>79066897
Waifubait and tumblrettes migrating to /sug/ for epic 4chan memes

>>79066897

The show is popular in general, and people can post on multiple websites.

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>>79066912
thanks anon

>>79066868
>>79066887
That doesn't work anymore.
This is 2016, nobody has a single IP anymore.
The ONLY ways to cull shitposting are to either put in the work and delete individual posts, or axe the entire thread and go get your hot pocket out of the microwave.

>>79066896
You better not be talking shit about catfingers.

>>79066921
>obviously he's implying steven universe threads attrach tumblr to /co/

Or attracting 4chan to tumblr.

>>79066870
People on this site give Tumblr way too much credit. It's like, it's not the most relevant social media site guys, it's mostly porn. "The Tumblr audience" is not a huge one and isn't enough by itself to make any show a huge success. It's equally ridiculous when people attribute Undertale's success entirely to Tumblr.

Try to understand that people besides one from Tumblr watch cartoons. #stevenuniverse was probably trending even bigger on Twitter than it was on Tumblr at the time.

>>79066819
/frz/ went on until the oscars, after which the original people that maintained the OP's decided to stop, and the threads were shortly banned afterwards.

>>79066660
I meant Jasper

>>79065884
Lapis fags, I know this character is essentially a blank slate but can you insert your fanfic else where?

>>79066941
Naw, son. I boarded onto the Steven Boat when Catfingers aired. Still one of my favorites.

>>79066970
I was honestly hoping there was a Garnet vs Pearl fight that I just forgot about.

To answer your question, yea Jasper has to be very high ranking. Peridot specifically brought her along, she's not some lowby that Pearl used to slice to pieces.

>>79066868
How about both, we don't need shit heads interjecting in threads they don't like, and we don't need 24/7 generals being obnoxious fucktards all day.

>>79065217
She has nowhere else to go and has a lot of frustrated anger she wanted to direct at someone.

She wanted to escape her prison and return home - but as she says, Homeworld has changed. She also betrayed HW and her team by leaking information to the enemy and withholding crucial info about Rose Quartz / Steven. Jasper found that out, so she's now a traitor in HW's eyes. She can't go back home.

However, she loathes the CG and doesn't want to be with them either. She doesn't really much care for Earth.

Everything sucks and everything is ruined, so she chose to hide at the bottom of Earth's ocean and attempt to leave all of Lapis' problems behind by becoming something else, "I'm Malachite now". She wanted to make someone else suffer for a change as an act of vengeance, and Jasper happened to be there to represent all her enemies.

Sure, she chose to side with Steven and "help" him and the CG through binding Jasper, but it's a completely pointless, needless "sacrifice". Garnet had beat her alone, and now there were 3 of them and Jasper had just been thrown into a spaceship engine and withstood a crash from orbit. She was seriously weakened. It's why she was begging for Lapis to fuse with her.

If Lapis would have joined the fight on the CG side, they'd have poofed and bubbled Jasper in no time. But she wanted to hide from the world.
She's maybe telling herself she's doing it "for Steven" but imo that's just an excuse

>inb4 "Jasper threatened to kill her"
She wasn't touching Lapis when she agreed to fuse. Lapis was standing some way away and the sea was RIGHT THERE. She could have ran away, or pretended to go along with it and smacked Jasper with the water hand from behind, or fuse, maneuver the fusion to the sea, unfuse and then kick Jasper's ass with her water powers.

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My question is why is Steven/Rose Quartz so fucking overpowered compared to everyone else?

>Everyone else
>One, maybe two abilities tops

>Rose Quartz
>Healing ability
>Plant control/sentience ability
>Bubble that can survive a space ship crashing into a mountain
>Shield that can't be broken by anything
>Able to generate some sort of magic pulse ability that disables all magic as when he single handedly disabled all of Lapis' stuff that the other CGs were getting their ass kicked over

>>79066868
Generals create shitposters. It's in their nature.

>>79067078
Define "keep to themselves".
Because I see content related to their shows all over the place.
Not that it bothers me, because I'm not a pissy faggot who cries blood every time he see's something he doesn't like.

The purpose of a general isn't to keep something out of your personal safe-space. It's to give fans a single regular place to come together and discuss the show with other fans.

The only time something should ever be actively pushed out of the board is when it rivals the sheer crossboard shitposting level that /mlp/ managed to ascend to. And that has never happened yet.

>>79067168
Why would anyone choose to remain silent?
Confess is objectively the best choice.

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>>79065367
>>79065433
>>79065782
>"jasper was holding her"
why-you-fucking-lying.avi
Jasper wasn't holding her though.

>>79067174
Granted, I only been watching the show for a couple weeks, but I gotta be honest, these actual Steven threads are way way better than any /sug/ I've seen. All they do is share fap material.

>>79067200
anon if they both confess they're in for 5 if they both silent they in for 1 do you not see the image

>>79067078
>other generals keep to themselves
That's bullshit though

>>79067168
too bad all offense is sacrificed in the process.

>>79067200
Because the point is information is cut off from both people. If you know the other person and are able to communicate you then can effectively get the lowest possible sentancing. On the other hand if you have absolutely no knowledge of the other person whatsoever then it is logical to only confess

>>79067174
>The purpose of a general isn't to keep something out of your personal safe-space. It's to give fans a single regular place to come together and discuss the show with other fans
Literally wrong. Image boards and threads do that just fine. Generals are to push overflow and cancer into manageable areas. What people couldn't predict is that the general format encourages people who mightn't be cancerous retards to mingle with those who are. Generals get their own culture and it eventually turns into circle jerking ruining most if not all people involved.
Generals are a problem.
Of the generals however some can't even fulfil their most basic requirement and contain. This is true of /sug/.

>>79067168
Garnet has her gauntlets, electricity powers, future vision, and rocket fists. Pearl can summon small items from her gem (though it might be possible for other gems to do this as well), sand manipulation to some extent, her spear, hard light holograms, and lasers. Amethyst would probably be the least powered of the crystal gems, though we might just not know the extent of her powers. So far besides her weapon I can only think of her sanic ball. And of course there's the possibility that they have even more powers that we just haven't seen yet.

>>79067174
No board wants to be seen as responsible for another mlp-type scenario, especially /co/. It's the Fear that keeps the generals suppressed

>>79067252
Amethyst also has a whip with energy waves, and can also use her hair as a blade.

>>79067111
>She has nowhere else to go and has a lot of frustrated anger she wanted to direct at someone.

Uh... How about the nearest star? Or better yet drive herself straight into the sun for a quick death.

>she chose to hide at the bottom of Earth's ocean and attempt to leave all of Lapis' problems behind

Oh woe is me, I have too many problems and nobody understands me, so I'll self loathe and inflict pain upon myself while also keeping my emotions bottled up.

I hate Lapis, she's such a shit character that people pretend to empathizes with knowing well that her character is as lively as a rock. She's been rooted enough in the series to get the bare minimum of what's she's all about, yet lacks any real personality to gauge where she currently stands.

The writers are doing this on purpose aren't they? Waifu-baiting with a character who can essentially be anything you want her to be, added with the damsel and distress trope. It makes for a boring persona nonetheless.

>>79067271
Ah, i guess I just forgot about those. Point is all the crystal gems have powers for days, quartz isn't unique in that regard.

>>79067168
Rose was probably a lot older and more powerful than the surviving Crystal Gems.

Could also be a result of Steven being a hybrid.

>>79067204
Okay, fine mr. smart guy. She was like two feet away and could have lunged forward and given Lapis the people's elbow in like 5 seconds.

>>79065853
>>79065460
>>79065217
Pretty standard fair really.

When an antagonist goes good, they rarely demonstrate the same level of power anymore. It takes all of the heroes to just barely beat them, but when they join up... they are just "one of the guys/gals"

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>>79067324
So she could have unfused when they're in the ocean and totally kick Jasper's ass.

Your waifu didn't need to fuse for self defense. It wasn't self defense but a willful betrayal in order to make someone else suffer as vengeance for all the shit she'd felt.

The creators say it themselves. Formed through deception, held together for revenge. Note it doesn't say "self-defense".

Lapis is a vengeful bitch who's taking out all her anger on her teammate because she happened to be there.

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>>79066897
It's popular

Why? Actual drama, lorre, and ongoing story when it's not a human episode, and waifus

Lots and lots of pointless waifuposting

>>79067252
>>79067271
Peridot claimed that Amethyst, despite being a messed up Amethyst, is "stronger" then the others.
could be just her bigotry.
also note physical size seems related to power levels and rank.. Fusions are bigger. Diamonds are bigger. Rose quartz, Amethysts are supposed to be bigger, and outrank. Jasper.

>>79067291
Quiet, Jasperfag.

Nobody cares that your big buff waifu is getting shat on at the bottom of the sea.

>>79067434
I don't remember her saying stronger, She said that Amethyst outranked them.

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>>79067453
Not even.

People actually think this show has waifus

>>79067434
amethyst is technically the strongest but is a mega retard

she never follows orders and insists on doing things her way and is very bash and headstrong

>>79067434
>Amethysts are supposed to be bigger, and outrank. Jasper.
What? Where are you getting that? If anything, Amethysts should be similar to Jasper's size, but there's nothing saying she'd be bigger or higher rank

>>79067409
>teammate

The word you're looking for is 'jailer'. Jasper wasn't her teammate. She's taking out all her anger on her because 1. Jasper was keeping her prisoner and 2. she was an excusable target, seeing as she wanted to smush Steven.

Lapis pretty much did fuse out of anger and desire to hurt someone, but there's a reason she did it to Jasper, that being Jasper a shit who brought it on herself.

>>79067291
Honestly I think that's true, just with not as much biterness. Lapis Lazuli has the prettiest name of the bunch, and her character design is literally just an anime character drawn in a slightly more Western style. This combined with her barebones personality so far gives her intense waifubait.

>>79067479
>amethyst
>strongest
Tiger Millionaire she gets her shit kicked in without garnet even trying. Ocean Gem she's the only one who actually loses to her water clone..

>>79066475
Pearl could also be suffering from a psychological hindrance. She was at her most confident when she was with Rose, but with Rose gone her self confidence took a nose dive.

>>79067508
Do you even watch the show?
She was on the mission team with Jasper and Peridot.

She was only jailed after Jasper found out that she's a traitor who's betrayed the team through leaking and withholding crucial information to the enemy, Rose Quartz the rebellion leader no less. That kind of shit does get people jailed, yes.

For comparison, imagine if a US military commando team, in the field, would have found out mid-mission during the hunt for Osama that one of their team has actually been communicating with Osama, giving them info, and also knows where they are and didn't tell them.
You don't think that soldier would be detained? Or would people just go "oh well"? Seriously?

Lapis is a traitor and a rapist.

>>79067563
>>79067499
>>79067479

Guys, Amethyst is a Quartz. She WOULD be the strongest of the bunch (well maybe not as much as Garnet) if it wasn't established that she's a runt. She was SUPPOSED to be much stronger, but isn't. I don't think there's "unrealized" potential here.

>>79067499
theres a period there.
Amethysts are suposed to be bigger, and outrank(ruby/sapphire/pearl). unsaid.
then Jasper, as another example of bigger=more powerful/higher rank.


Size and rank do seem directly related.
Size and power level SEEMS to be a thing. But, then we do have lapis doing powerful things. And pearl/peridot being tech gurus. And Sapphires prophecy powers are obviously crazy powerful. so there might be some bias as to what the gems consider "real power".

>>79067626
Power levels (and the gem caste system) are bullshit. Pearls aren't even made for fighting, yet our "terrifying renegade" is more or less a one gem army cutting down warrior gems by the dozen in the war. A gems ability comes from training, and while maybe I could see other gems being "stronger" in the sense that they could hit harder or lift more, that doesn't mean they are more capable fighters.

>>79067706
I can agree that power and rank in gem society are generally connected, but it obviously doesn't hold up on an individual level. One gem might outrank another, and their race might be generally "stronger" than another race, but that doesn't mean that every member of that race is stronger than every member of another race.

>>79065217
Murder-suicide.

She's waiting till the Cluster emerges.

>>79067829
She doesn't even know about the cluster.

>>79067738
>Pearls aren't even made for fighting, yet our "terrifying renegade" is more or less a one gem army cutting down warrior gems by the dozen in the war.

Actually that was only 4 of them and they were going to lose that fight had Ruby not intervened.

I don't think power levels are entirely bullshit. It's hard but a weaker gem can beat a stronger one. Just think of as an RPG, character level =/= actual skill, but higher character level absolutely does matter. In some RPGs I can beat higher-level players in PvP, but I have to outplay the shit out of them to make it happen. I guess Pearl leveled up and got a lot better skill-wise.

The caste system being bullshit is kind of the point. The Crystal Gems rebelled against the established order. That said I don't think that's entirely irrelevant either. Amethyst is considerably weaker than she could be because she was the runt of the liter, she was supposed to be way bigger. Pearl is a fighter/technician despite being a Pearl, but she still is hung up on feelings of servitude. She still fights entirely in service of Rose and her son.

>>79067738
I think it's this right here. Warrior gems are probably born the strongest naturally, but what perpetuates the power levels is the caste system itself. Pearls "aren't built for fighting" so they never train , but in reality they are super magical space rocks just like the quartzes. Amethyst had probably never trained that much, and as a result is the worst fighter despite her pedigree.

>>79067858
They never told her why they went back to earth?

>>79067864
I can dig it. Makes total sense.

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>>79067706
>>79067738
>>79067825
>>79067825

Its like Pokemon. A weak Pokemon can defeat stronger ones, if he is some levels above them, even if their raw potential isnt as good.

>>79067858
She does now that she's fused with Jasper.

>>79067858
>>79067875
She knew about "the mission." Or at least enough about it to be able to say that Steven wasn't relevant to it.

>>79067887
The Diamonds are Smogonfags and Rose is a Karenfag. I don't know which of them are worse.

>>79067894
Fused gems don't see each other's thoughts or share knowledge, otherwise Garnet would have instantly known Pearl was fixing the communications tower to manipulate her to fuse into Sardonyx with her.

Though Lapis does know of the cluster, since checking on it was the point of the mission

>>79067933
>Fused gems don't see each other's thoughts or share knowledge

Then how did Opal know to sing Giant Woman

>>79066685
>SU threads usually have the most off topic shitposting about shit like waifu feet
And Star Wars threads don't?

>>79067585
>Do you even watch the show?

Did you?

She wasn't on the mission team, you dumbass. She was taken with them to point fingers. If you grab a person and forcibly take them with you to use them for information, they're not on your team, they're your prisoner. The first we see of her in The Return, when she's being manhandled around by Jasper, and was very clearly unwilling to be there.

You're just a huge faggot trying to justify your hate for a character with headcanon.

>>79067903
Why didn't she warn Steven about the cluster then?
Shouldn't she care enough to at least let him know that his planet is doomed?

>>79067961
Because both Pearl and Amethyst heard Steven singing it

>>79067961
I believe that came from pearl's intentions.

>>79067961
Because both of the gems that fused into her were there for hours when Steven was singing it, for hours on the way there.

What I mean is that fusing doesn't grant the other gem some sort of automatic window into the mind of the other. They can't see each other's secrets.

>>79067961
That's the thing, isn't it? We don't know exactly what the fusions know and what they don't know. Obviously a gem can hide certain pieces of knowledge, otherwise Sardonyx would have known about Pearl's betrayal, and it has been said that the fusions are entirely their own personalities. But after unfusing gems can describe how they felt to be part of that personality, and they can remember how the fused gem felt. It's awfully unclear.

>>79066060
>Perhaps they didn't know she was sentient that entire time in the mirror as they wanted the mirror back once Steven hinted at it having a personality.

Pearl says "It shouldn't be able to talk," and they both seem shocked that the mirror is actually talking/creating something new. It was obvious that it was a gem-created item, but they didn't know that the gem was sentient.

>>79067983
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Considering she's doing this for him, you'd think she'd give him information necessary for him to not die. I guess she doesn't know about the cluster after all.

>>79067977
>hurrr Lapis was a prisoner from the start
She wasn't detained or tied or controlled. Jasper let her loiter behind her back, unmonitored, unwatched, uncontrolled. Just because she pulls her hand once and calls her a "brat" doesn't make her a prisoner. She wasn't that unwilling to be there, she wasn't threatened, she wasn't scared, she wasn't forced or coerced, she was just the mopey sulking emo bitch she always seems to be (except occasionally with Steven). She had the freedom and means to find the stone and record the message she sent to Steven - how would she have done that, had she been a "prisoner"? Peridot also calls her her "guide" in the frantic messages she sends to HW, speaking of her like a teammate.

She was a member of the team, which she betrayed.

>You're just a huge faggot trying to justify your hate for a character with headcanon.
Lel no. It's you, who are the faggot, trying to make excuses for your waifu with bullshit headcanon like "she was a prisoner"

>>79068096
If you want the general, it's up in /trash/, but that thread is absolutely terrible. I don't actually mind not having /sug/ as long as we can still have discussions like in this thread.

>>79068096
The mods like /sug/. They killed it last.

>>79068073
Yeah, that's how I assumed she didn't know of it.

Honestly, I forgot why the HW gems were sent to earth in the first place.
I thought it was because Perodot reported the rebels and was sent with a Jasper to deal with them.
I know she had another mission on reactivating Kindergarten but what was the purpose of that if YD just wants earth destroyed?

>>79068125
Yeah, again, if you grab someone and say "hey you're our guide now faggot" that doesn't make them part of your team.

Lapis very clearly didn't want to be there. The mere fact that she warned Steven shows she didn't want the Gems to come to Earth and find him. Jasper had to manhandle her around to get her to do what she wanted her to do.

She was not there willingly.

Again, you're intentionally just smearing headcanon all over the actual show.

>lel waifus

Okay dude, if you say so. You're the one literally ignoring what's on screen in favor of headcanon.

>>79066959
>shortly afterwards
nigga /frz/ went on almost two goddamn years of shitposting and grossout fetishism

It was like watching a celebrity family inbreed until the last generation was a pile of hairy meat jello.

>>79068198
*Peridot

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>>79068157
>if you wanna have a /sug/ tread you have to go to trash
>the treads are even worse than the ones on /co/ since NSFW pics are allowed there
I just wanna talk about cartoons that I watch man

>>79068217
Will it return when frozen 2 comes?

>>79068236
I feel you.

>>79068210
Just because she maybe didn't want to be there doesn't mean she's a prisoner, anon. If someone gives you an order you don't want to do, it doesn't mean you're suddenly a "prisoner".

It's hilarious how desperately you're trying to convince yourself poor widdle Lapis was totally a victim and a prisoner all the time.

>>79068247
Probably, since the alternative is dozens of waifuthreads per day

Jasper is too fast for her. If she tried that slow water hand thing, it woulda never worked.

>>79068125
You're not even making sense anymore.

First you're saying Lapis has no consistent character. Now you're saying she's always a mopey bitch.

Everything about that scene tells you Lapis wasn't a willing part of that mission. The way she tries to avoid telling the truth to Jasper, the way Jasper has to physically force her up to the top of the ship so she can identify the rebels for her.

Don't be deliberately obtuse. Lapis, like Jasper, hasn't had much time for development yet. But the character and situation you've created is purely of your own making.

>>79068278
But on the other hand, those threads also talk about the show, which /sug/ had no interest in.

>>79068278
>being so new you don't even know the point of a general
>talking shit on mods will being an obvious /sug/ poster

Multiple threads is better than having you losers congregate and encourage each other assuming there's no spam.
Generals are relatively new. Threads are the true way of things.
Honestly SU threads should be carefully monitored lest it turn into stealth /sug/ but other than that it's fine.
Misuse it and wait for the blanket ban though.

>>79067200
choices are not rationa

the irrational need to be generous and trust in others for the common good is the lie that kept human societies stable and highly productive for millions of years

>>79068236
It could have been great. They may have gone too far in a few places. It's stylistically designed to be that way, but you can diminish the effects of it.

>>79068125
Peridot called Lapis her "informant." That's not usually a consenting role.

>>79068265
You are effectively a prisoner, especially if you have no real connection to the people using you. This isn't like being part of the army and sarge tells you to go somewhere icky. This is like coming back to your home country after a few years, finding that everything and one you know is gone and you don't agree with how anything works now, and then you get forcibly conscripted into the military and bodily dragged to some other place.

>more wah wah you're a waifufag shit

Give it a rest you colossal mongoloid. It's pretty much part of the character that she's bounced from being one faction's prisoner to the next. That's the whole irony of her going home. She expected to be free, but she ended up a prisoner once again. It's part of the reason why by the end of Jailbreak she just wants to turn into a different person and vanish.

Lapis is a pretty good representation of people that have been kicked around. She's not nice. She's spiteful, and she overreacts, and she goes for revenge over pragmatism. This stuff is what makes her a good character. She's realistic.

>>79068420
We actually want a general because we fear the mods will delete every tread that comes up about SU. If we have a general, we sure know that the risk of being deleted are low. Still, the current situation with just 1-2 treads about SU and pretty low shitposting are fine to me.

>>79068210
>>79068265

Guys, didn't Lapis herself say that they should surrender and go along with what Jasper says because there's no way they could fight Homeworld? So yea, Lapis wasn't a prisoner per say, she surrendered willingly. Because at the time she earnestly believed there was nothing they could do and they could never fight them.

So you're both wrong. She wasn't a prisoner, but she wasn't being a traitorous bitch teaming up with Jasper either. She simply was being mopey because she thought the situation was hopeless and it was best not to fight them.

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>>79068441
Not here.

>>79068427
If your fedora tips any harder it'll double as a jock strap.

>>79068444
fuck off steven you're not funny

>>79068519
>steven meme
Not here.

>victorian furry thing
A-OK

>>79068532
>fourth gen fedora meme

>>79066100
None of the Malachite business helps Steven in any way. She's using him as an excuse to commit what is essentially suicide by permanently fusing with Jasper.

>>79068427
the human race isn't even a million years old anon

>>79065217

Because Lapis Lazuli has a midget fetish, but also crippling social disorders.

She knew that if she formed Malachite with Jasper, then one day Steven would convince Peridot to join the Crystal Gems. Peridot would then assist in rescuing her from the angry fusion and be placed in a position where she would need to butter Lapis up and curry favor.

This removes all the pressure in the relationship from Lapis and places it on Peridot, allowing Lapis to focus entirely on what she REALLY wants in life: sweet green snatch from a midget.

Lapis Lazuli gonna do Peridot so nasty that her booty hole is gonna look like an exploded hot pocket.

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>>79068427

>>79068397
Do you even sug anon, or do you just go off what other people say? There was plenty of discussion last week.

People tend to forget that Lapis told Homeworld all she knew about the CG and left Steven out of it.
She was fine with having 3 Gems, who were most likely not even directly involved with her imprisonment, be destroyed as long as Steven would be fine.
And she also tried to kill Steven the same day she met him.

>>79068676
Not that anon, but I've lurked through about 5 /sug/s and they had barely any show discussion. NONE of them to the extend this thread has. It was mostly just sharing lewd fanart and talking about best girl.

>>79068680
Just rewatched the Mirror Gem episode. She hates the Crystal Gems for knowingly keeping her imprisoned, and they never deny it. They didn't put her in there, but they knew she was a person before a tool.

>>79068444
Come on, steven that wasn't very funny. Apologize.

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>>79068568
Anon. it's a fucking reaction image you dingus. If I had another one with a guy pointing a gun I would have post that

>>79068532
>>79068600
>>79068670
what the fuck is up with you faggots?

>the human race isn't even a million years old anon
of course not. Here be happy:
***that kept homini societies stable and highly productive for millions of years

>>79068727
5 /sug/ threads is nothing. Thats like one day.

The biggest weakness of the show, to me at least, is the fact that the characters cry extremely frequently.

Crying should usually be reserved for specific scenes to really illustrate how much stress/grief/sadness a character is under. Well done tears in an animated show or in an acted one can be extremely powerful but when in SU every other episode one of the characters are just bawwing their eyes out it cheapens the impact of it and makes it worthless as a delivery tool for the emotional content of a scene.

It simply does not matter who crys in SU anymore, it's just extremely overdone and awful that it ruins whatever scene it's in.

>You're MY prisoner now!
I find it funny that Lapis doesn't even realize she's just putting herself in a jail cell again. She thinks she's becoming Jaspers guard, but in reality she's just becoming her cell mate.

>>79068789
Its actually been awhile since anyone has cried. Baby Steven doesn't really count since he was a baby at the time.
Plus, Rebecca finds tears hilarious.

>>79068789
Thinking about it, who and when was the last time someone actually cried in an act of sadness?

>>79068789
It's obvious you don't understand how shonen and its by products work.

Anyway, I think Rose being dead and being ostracised from your own Homeworld because defending what you believe in is enough reason to cry from time to time.

>>79068819
>Plus, Rebecca finds her fans' tears hilarious.
ftfy

the bitch likes seeing people bitch about everyone being a bitch in the show

>>79068789
Thats a lie. Like 70% of the crying in this show is like a one second thing with a watter droplet on a characters eye that indicates sadness. I can recall about 4-5 times where a character is actually sobbing, and those were all in tense situations,.

Also this last m bomb had no crying outside of steen being a baby.

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>>79068835
We've gone through like 10 episodes in a row without anyone crying. It's really refreshing.

>>79068857
She did create the show hoping that fans would create a shit ton of theories.
She did not, however, create the show hoping that it would become famous because a fan almost committed suicide because of other fans.

>>79068885
that's actually pretty impressive.

>>79068885
Looks it's been a long time because of CN schedule, but in regular circumstances, this show is pure drama.

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>>79068765
You're so mad. And the history error wasn't the worst part of the post, it's the edgy "society is a great big lie and we're all chaotic animals" minispeech you wrote.

also hominids weren't really in "productive societies" until maybe the Antiquity or ancient China so that's like ~3500 years ago at best.

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>>79068793
so deep

GET IT GUYS? GET IT??

>>79068990
I know ,there was drama in it could've been great and message received but I thought those episodes were great.


I wonder how exactly they'll defeat the cluster

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>>79068884

>>79068884
This is just bait...right?

>>79069252
So are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

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>>79068789
Another egregious sin nobody like to talk about is the fat that it takes roughly 50 episodes for anything to actually happen.

Look I'm used to slow burn series like in anime but this is fucking ridiculous. And people act as if that okay. What a shitty cartoon fueled by an even shittier premise and boring one note characters.

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>>79069074
>The Crystal Gems finally drill into the Earth's Core
>After a few miles (200 units) they found a collosal gem shard group inside some sort of internal chamber.
>CGs ask Peridot how to destroy the cluster
>She has no idea, but they gotta be quick because it almost completely solidified and it's about to form.
>Garnet suggests to hit it with the drill, but Peri stops her claiming that could activate it.
>After a while they decide they gotta extract it to the surface and send it to outer space, but then the cave fills with lava from the core.
>They get back to the drill and try to hook the cluster in order to drag it out the core. But the machine has not enough power for that.
>Garnet gets out and tells the rest to get back to the surface. Pearl protests, Peridot tells her if she's crazy but she says she'll be back soon.
>As lava continues filling the chamber, they escape drilling up. They eventually get back to the surface safe.
>Pearl: "Oh no! Garnet!"
>Amy: "She's fried. More than fried, she's a molten rock!"
>Steven: Guys! She said it would be alright! We should trust her. She will be back. We just have to wait.
>Everyone looks at Steven and sigh, finally understanding they can do nothing for now.
>Episode Ends.
>Another 5 months hiatus.

>>79069368
I'm just giving you a flow chart someone made compiling the times the amount of time the characters have cried and if it was played for laughs or not. It's a little outdated though.

>>79069407
Didn't Garnet swim in lava in Giant Woman?

>>79069017
you just read it like you want to read it

also
>survive millions of years by cooperation
>not productive societies

>>79069452
"Only I can swim in Lava"
yeah, she'd be fine.

>>79069369
I recognize that picture and filename. Didn't mods ban you for spamming SU threads pretending to be a fan who couldn't find the general if his life depended on it?

>>79069407
I'm predicting the cluster mission to be a bomb itself
>Part 1: Planning and calm before storm nerves
>Part 2,3,4: The full mission
>Part 5: Aftermath

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>>79068656
Is this how delusioned Lapisfags are?
Truely I have underastimated your true idiotic capabilities

>>79067221
yeah at risk of 20 if the other confesses. you've got no cotnrol over the other person, your safest bet is always to confess.

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>>79069528
No, that's just Lapidot fans. They're so fucking delusional and they won't shut the fuck up now that they've found out that Lapis and Peridot are going to interact soon.

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>>79069517
Mods never banned me, plus I wasn't the retard who spammed all those fucking threads. I was sitting back and laughing my ass off bro.

Don't get me wrong I still like the series, I just hate the fans who can find no sin in their precious cartoon.

>>79069628
Pearl. She's the most fucked up, but has beliable reasons to be like this.

>>79069587
No, I remember you starting a thread with that picture and a few other threads around that time with the same "herp derp, I'm retarded, everyone hate me" mentality popped up and then all disappeared around the same time. Why do you do this?

>>79069587
I don't call shows I like shitty.

>>79069709
What?

>>79069407
It would be nice to actually see Garnet swim in lava instead of the characters just talking about it.

>>79069452
Change Amy dialog to Peri and I think we're good.

>>79069798
Unfortunately, we always are following the plot from Steven's perspective.

>>79069855
Doesn't mean we can't see her dive in/come out.

>>79069703
Expect I didn't. I don't make threads revolving around Steven Universe, I just comment on them.

>>79069798
We saw she was half made of a fire based gem. It's been mentioned and explained, just not shown for obvious reasons of Steven can't get close to lava.

>>79069942
Nah, I remember the thread. You started one with that picture asking a really mundane question to try and artificially increase the SU thread count.

I was your only reply before the thread got sacked. Why do you do this to shows you hate?

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>>79066941
>>79066979

>>79065217
It was probably just a way to get her and Jasper out of the picture for a bit.

3 brand new gems to deal with on a permanent basis (i know Lapis isn't "new" as such, but i mean new as someone the CGems would have to interact with on a regular basis), 2 of which with modern knowledge of homeworld is quite a big deal for the show.

If they just defeated and bubbled jasper, then they'd never be able to deal with her without basically revisiting the centipeedle episode, only -this- time Steven accidentally unbubbles Jasper.

Also, Lapis has some legitimate concerns about the C-Gems (steven not included), so her (hopefully) impending story arc will likely deal with her and her rather valid dislike of Rose, Pearl, Garnet and Amethyst.

Peridot was an easy one to start with because she is fairly weak, and doesn't have any really good reason to dislike anyone other than what her gear told her.

>>79065914
Jasper also lost her cool

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>>79069369
I was fucking okay with the monster of the week episodes. It was the confiest thing. Then the story kick in and now everything without diamond is considered filler now

>>79065445
I think Lapis and Pearl have a lot in common, personality-wise.

They're emotionally hurt for various reasons, and incredibly afraid of almost everything, despite the fact they're quite a lot more powerful than they give themselves credit.

I'd like to see Garnet sever her fusion to let Sapphire speak to her for a bit; they were both former servants of Blue Diamond, perhaps Sapphire could relate to her more.

>>79070211
>I was Blue Diamonds main adviser.
>Blue Diamond used me as a court jester and a sex toy.
>Oh.

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>>79070168
>mfw I saw people say Log Date was filler right after it aired

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>>79068884
>is like a one second thing with a watter droplet on a characters eye that indicates sadness
>the only way the artists can convey sadness is a tear

>>79065217
Her original goal after being trapped on Earth for potentially thousands of years by the Crystal Gems (may or may not be the three Crystal Gems we know about) was to go back home to Homeworld.

In The Message we learn that Homeworld is much different from how she remembers it. She's clearly distressed by her experience there, and was almost immediately apprehended and assigned to go along with Peridot and Jasper to Earth since neither of them were familiar with it.

So, fast forward to the end of Jailbreak. Lapis can't go home because A) it's shit now and B) she was basically arrested by Jasper anyway and would just get in trouble, possibly shattered.

She also doesn't want to stay on Earth because she still has a beef with the Crystal Gems. So, once again, this character who has been, unlike bubbled Gems, consciously trapped for potentially thousands of years, is in a no-win scenario where she really doesn't have a choice. When given the opportunity to fuse with Jasper, she gets an opportunity to A) help Steven by getting rid of his only remaining enemy and B) put herself in a position of power over someone who repeatedly threatened and physically overpowered her. To someone like Lapis that is a dream come true.

She just doesn't understand that she has a choice to make, and that resigning herself to an eternity of torment at the bottom of the ocean, where she's her most powerful, isn't really an answer. As a Gem she HAS to choose between Homeworld and Earth, and even if she doesn't believe in the planet itself, she can learn to believe in Steven, something she notably failed to do on the ship.

>>79066912
/b/ is pure cancer

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>>79069407
>stevencrewniverse reblogged this from rebeccasugar: Hope you guys are excited for StevenBomb 7! Remember: October 17th at 5:30pm EST on CN

>Steven Universe Intro
>WE >WE >WE >WE >WE >EW >EW >WEW >WE [Chat is down. Sorry for the inconvenience]
>Still no Peri in the intro.
>Episode begins right after the previous scene. Steven and the gems are walking back to the Barn. They all have a worried expresion on their faces.
>Suddenly, the ground shakes violently. Again, and again, and again, in short periods, like if deep blows were coming from the very center of the Earth.
>Peridot: Oh no, oh no, OH NO it's too late! It's happening!
>Peridot starts to breathe faster, while intervals between blows become shorter and shorter.
>After a very loud blow, Peridot starts screaming.
>And then, it stops.
>Peridot: -AAAAAAAH~~ahh..!
>Comic silence. Amethyst maliciously looks at her.
>Peridot:...W-What?
>Amy: ...Nerd.
>Amy laughs while Peri looks her back, a little pissed off.
>Pearl: What just happened?
>Steven: ...It is... over?
>Pearl: Steven, that's imp-
>Before she can end the sentence, the ground shatters below her feet and explodes into dust. Then, Garnet appears trying to crawl back to the surface.
>Steven: Garnet! You're back!
>Pearl and Amy help her get out from the hole.
>Pearl: Garnet! What in the world happened down there?!
>Garnet: We've got to go back to the temple!
>Peridot: But the cluster, the dril...
>Garnet: NOW!
>They are all shown from a sky view, all sitting on Lion, running back from the barn to the temple while some electrodoomsday music plays in the background.
>[END OF ACT 1]

Should I continue? inb4 Amedot a shit

>>79070640
Continue on fanfiction.net/archiveofourown

>>79066870
>forced feels
I want you to leave.

>>79066564

Pearl's thing is all technique. She was never meant to be a front-liner, but she learned how to fight instead of be Rose's talking handbag, to the point she was able to overcome considerably stronger gems by virtue of technique and determination.

This is kinda on display in how Sugilite is ridiculously more powerful than Pearl physically but Pearl takes her down by fighting smarter.

In terms of fighting against Jasper, I feel like Jasper would beat the shit out of Pearl if she can catch her, but first she's gotta catch her.

>>79065217
She has a captivity complex. She was stuck in that mirror for so long she couldn't handle how different the times were so she made a new prison for herself to hide. Basically suicide.

>>79071403
Well i think that's the core purpose of the Crystal Gems.

It's a philasophical movement for the Gem race that suggests you can be far more than what you were designed to be through learning.

We can see that Peridot never even considered doing or trying something outside of the expected professions and powers of a Peridot, until she lost her gear and was forced to do something.

I'm still under the impression that Jasper is a fusion of some sort, whether she knows it or not.

Mostly it's her color scheme and the fact her eyes have pupils which is only shared by fusions that makes me believe this.

>>79071594
Pearl has pupils in close-ups
Jasper was in the war
Forced fusion experiments started after the war, they are emerging now and are just Frankenstein monsters with no mind
Stop this please

>>79065853
Most likely, one (or both) of two things.

>Lapis is away from water most of the time. She needs water nearby to work with something and without it she's about as strong as a teenage girl.
>Lapis still has an extreme dislike of the Crystal Gems. She isn't going to willingly team up with them unless something major is at stake or they have a mutual enemy.

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>tfw the other thread is the target of anti-/sug/ shitposting instead of this one

Keep talking about gems please, don't let this one die out.

>>79065630
And then what? Lapis is fairly adamant that there isn't much she can do about Homeworld. Actively rebelling like that would make her a fugitive, and alienate her from the only place that once resembled her home.

>>79071594
Most Fusions have pupils because they're fusions of Gems with a colored pupil (like Pearl) and a black pupil (like Lapis, Amethyst, or Ruby), and even then, there's a lot of exceptions. Just to name a few, Sapphire and Yellow Diamonds's eyes have pupils. Sardonyx and Rainbow Quartz's eyes do not.

Besides, Jasper never shows any of the other telltale signs of being a Fusion - she's big, but she's not hella big, she has one Gem and one weapon, and she has no unusual body parts. Her stripey color pattern is also shared by no Fusions (bar Malachite). All the indications we've seen are that Jasper is just a taller version of Amethyst.

>>79067961
By that knowledge, Sardonyx wouldn't have existed for more than 5 seconds.

>>79072362
I imagine the fusion only knows what both gems know, hence why all fusions knew Steven but Sadonyx/Garnet didn't know about Pearl rebuilding the tower.

>>79068789
To be fair, the CG's had all of their friends and comrades turned against them (Corruption) and now have to fight, kill and bubble them, Garnet's mere existence may have led to some of the completely dead former CG's be glued together and forced to live out an eternal life of suffering (The Fusion Mutants) and now they have a giant, multi million gem shard monster underneath them which will completely destroy the entire earth.


Needless to say, the CG's have been through some shit.

All of them except Amethyst.

She's just an easily provoked downy ''''''soldier'''''

>>79072413
I still think Sardonyx knew about Pearls plan, which is why she kept dismantling the tower instead of outright destroying it, allowing Pearl to keep rebuilding it.

>>79072529
Perhaps Sardonyx didn't know about Pearl's plan per se, but rather the only thing that carried over was Pearl's desire to not totally destroy the tower.

>>79072664
>Sardonyx's face in Friend ship
She knows she's not gonna be formed in a long time

>>79072728
Fusion still fucking confuses me. How must it feel to know that you'll cease to exist for long periods of time, or that you'll only be formed for the purpose of working or fighting and will then be gone when the job is done? Can fusions like Malachite even become their own person, I mean sure Lapis and Jasper could be assimilated into one another, but it's not like Malachite will be anything more than a ragebeast. Fusions are weird.

>>79070125

I know this is an Akira reference, but I can't stop getting a Conan vibe from it.

> Honor and fear were heaped upon his name and, in time, he became a king by his own cat hand...and this story shall also be told

>>79073013
Well, Sugilite outright refused to separate because it felt too good being herself again.
Opal sighs and stretches, and seems happier in general because she knows she'll be used more often due to Amethyst and Pearls relationship improving.

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>>79065217

https://youtu.be/OrH6UMYAVsk

>>79071666
I wouldn't call the FrankenGems Fusions, Satan.

Mostly because they seem to be created by supergluing the gems themselves together instead of making their forms come together by getting their boogie on.

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>>79065853
She's basically a teenage princess, so I'd bet she'll just sit around and do fuck all. I'd be happy if she just lived at Steven's house just moping around, causing drama, and cracking jokes.

>>79070168
It's weird too since the show *started* as pretty much entirely SoL, so you would have to be a fan of that to even enjoy the show, before the plot revealed itself.

>>79065461
>>79066000
They found the mirror. I'm sure they knew someone was in it, though. I'm pretty sure tooling is probably some form of punishment on the homeworld, and it's likely that being tooled forces the Gem into dormancy while they're used to power something else, which is why they were freaked as fuck that not only was a tooled gem conscious, but it was very likely a Homeworld gem on top of that. They probably expected that Lapis would be just as quiet and harmless as any bubbled gem until they reached a point where they could start letting Gems out, corrupted or otherwise.

Also her Gem was cracked so there was no telling just how fucked she may have been when she came out.

This would largely explain their knowledge, their reactions, and their alien understanding of the situation when Lapis was a mirror. For all they knew, "she" should be asleep, or with damage like that to her gem, dead, so in all likelihood the mirror WAS just a tool.

Honestly I sort of expect Steven to be a similar existence to the Mirror, what with Rose having retreated into dormancy, as if she were tooled up, having shapeshifted part of herself to make up the half of Steven that females provide, that part wouldn't last long when unconnected from her, so she went into dormancy, still connected to it and to Steven, so he could live.

I wonder if Lapis's return will explain anything about tooling, and Steven's existence.

Is that new leak with lapis grabbing jasper with water legit?

>>79065894
>badass, powerful true neutral character always keeping at a reasonable distance until they're absolutely needed
>not evil but not the image of a hero, simply is and does as they will
>really stupid death that kills the show

BUT WILL SHE AT LEAST GET A BADASS THEME TUNE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXpnI52cLEc

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>I never believed in this place

What did she mean by this?

>>79065283
Her mind is fucked, mang. Scared broke from all the crazy advances and changes in society made on Homeworld. She very clearly wasn't thinking straight on the handship.

That said, she very clearly hasn't been thinking straight since the very beginning. There's nothing sudden about her irrationality. Lapis has been a nut since the moment she came out. She tried to use the fucking ocean to build a goddamn tower to space, and even though Steven had freed her, nearly drowned him before letting him come up to meet with her. She could have just barred the others from going and let Steven, the only one she seemed to have any level of trust for, instead she made water clones that nearly killed the humans, Steven among them.

>>79074857
She didn't believe the propaganda about the Crystal Gem utopia.

>the other SU thread got deleted

What the fuck is going on?

>>79074814
what are you talking about anon?

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>>79074857
She hates human episodes.

>>79074916
>Start a shitty thread in all caps
>not wanting it to be delete

>>79074916
Mods are doing their damn job, that's what

>>79074857
Either:
>She never believed the Earth to be a relevant colony for HW
>She never believed in the rebellion
>She never believed in the organic lifeforms and their way of life (unlikely, she has been trapped in the mirror way before humans arrived to the temple)

>>79074916
It was blatant false flagging. Took them long enough.

>>79074937
The thread itself was fine.

It had a different topic than this thread and wasn't in general format. It broke no rules.

>>79074940
What the fuck is their job to you fucks, anyway?

I've been here forever, but now that the mods are deleting things I actually like I just don't know anymore. Like a "and there was nobody left to speak for me" feeling that I never thought I'd have to face.

>>79074979
The actual false-flagging thread a while ago was deleted quickly, actually.

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>>79074814
Source?

>>79074883
The drowning seemed to be more of an extreme overreaction, mind you. She wanted to be left alone, he was making demands, her mind immediately jumped to "they want to put me back in the mirror."

Not to mention she's a Gem, and a Homeworld Gem, at that; they've never shown any compunction towards killing. Peridot tried to crush Steven entirely unprovoked.

>>79074995
We don't need a million SU threads you dense fuck

well I prefer having 1 thread with more posters than multiple threads with less.

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>Let's stay on this miserable planet together!

What did she mean by this?

>>79075080
Either:
>She doesn't like Earth because >>79074976
>She doesn't like Earth because it has no more elemental components for gem proliferation
>She thinks people on Earth are poor and hideous

>>79075080
She's never letting her go.

>>79065217
Why does Lapis just kill herself

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Asspull Theory no.46: Lapis comes from a mirror universe. She was cracked and fused to that mirror by other versions of the Crystal gems.

>>79075155
That's not even funny, anon.

>>79075072
>>79075065
I prefer having the board function as it was always meant to, without generals at all.

Think of a topic, make a thread.
If the topic is already being discussed (not just the same show), discuss it in a thread already up.
If people run out of things to talk about, the thread dies and you don't just keep making it over and over again.

The posters should be able to take it upon themselves to determine whether they really needed to make another thread, but a real limit shouldn't be imposed by the mods.

>>79075192
I get that but this board has been plauged by new fags that think if you have more than one thread youre a cancer to the board.
Its best we just stay in one discussion thread at a time.

>>79075192
That's how we get a million homestuck and shit universe threads

This show is the definition of cancer. You all know it too, you just refuse to acknowledge it. You force yourselves to enjoy this piece of garbage, and I have no fucking clue why. Only a major sperglord could legitimately enjoy it.

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>>79075155
I'm writing a Pilot AU fanfic and you are giving me ideas.

>>79075228
>let the new people just come in and tell us how to run things

Holy fuck no. Never that.

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>>79075250
l8 h8 m8 ir8 0/8

>>79075267
>implying you're an oldfag
pls. you're all just visiting from tumblr.

>>79075257
Pilot AU? That sounds kinda neat. What are you setting out to do? What's different?

>>79075250
But I like the plot

>>79075250
>>79075309
Ok.

>>79075346
No you don't.

>>79075250
when have I ever pretended I was not Sperglord?

>>79075257
The big differences between the pilot and the final series seem to be

>Designs are a lot grungier and dimmer
>Steven is more of a dick
>Gems are less friendly
>Pearl is more of a bratty older sister than a soccer mom

>>79075305
>that pic

Perfect

>>79075309
I have seen memes come to life and die, some going out with a whimper, some with a bang, some wordfiltered out because they simply refused to go when it was their time.
Advice Dog and CucK-posting have blurred into the same media before my eyes.

Time is relative, and time spent on 4chan cannot be measured just as something with no value can not be counted.
If at any point in time you can consider yourself to be an oldfag, you are wrong, and need to GTFO.

in short, fuck you.

>>79075250
The early episodes are not as indicative of the show's quality as the later episodes are. The humour improves somewhat, as does the animation and art style. It moves away from the monster of the week stuff and starts developing a consistent plot and fleshing out the lore and mechanics of its setting. In early episodes, it proved to have potential. In middle and later episodes it proved to build on that potential instead of letting it sit idle and stagnate. It was an alright show and it turned into a good one, and I enjoy what it has to offer.

But you see the fanbase, you see several threads a day... you don't have a taste for the show, that much is clear, and so it makes little sense to you. You don't think it's good, so why do others? Clearly they must be tricking themselves. That kind of thinking I can at least appreciate for giving us the benefit of the doubt that we're forcing ourselves instead of merely being mentally deficient, despite being built on faulty reasoning.

But, it remains that your reasoning is faulty. Maybe you can't understand why, and likely won't, ever. That being said, you need to come to the conclusion that just because you personally can't understand, that just because you personally don't have a taste for entertainment that allows you to enjoy the show, doesn't mean we can't simultaneously legitimately enjoy it and NOT be major sperglords.

Although there are many major sperglords in any fandom, and ours is no exception--perhaps even attracting a few more than usual--there remains the simple fact that the fraction is not indicative of the whole, as much as you've been conditioned to believe that.

>>79075305
Oh wow, thats great.

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>>79075338
Basically keeping on with the pure fantasy Sailor Moon-ish setting, the Crystal Gems are knights of the Crystal Palace who are protecting their late Queen's illegitimate son in secret. Also preserves Pearl's more level-headedness as seen in the pilot. No alien shit, no ancient rebellion, just a couple of magical warriors raising their young bastard liege and keeping him safe from the intrigues and agents of rival kingdoms. Also Lapis is a witch princess who lives in a shack on the beach.

I guess it's just what I was hoping SU was going to be before it went where it has.

>>79065217
>Why exactly did she form Malachite?
Because she felt it was the only way to imprison and stop Jasper.

>>79075450
>I have seen memes come to life and die, some going out with a whimper, some with a bang, some wordfiltered out because they simply refused to go when it was their time.
>Advice Dog and CucK-posting have blurred into the same media before my eyes.
Not tumblr but that's a lot of reddit.

>>79075698
That sounds kinda interesting, but I'm not sure where that stuff about a Crystal Palace is coming from. I don't think the show was ever intended to be anything but sci-fi - though I guess the pilot's artstyle would lend itself a bit better to a fantasy story than a sci-fi one. Would still read, though.

What other things exist in the setting?

>>79065217
>cant go back to homeworld
>hates the CG
>doesnt take earth nicely

Why doesn't she just off herself?

>>79075080
Because she hates Earth.

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>>79075849
She's trying to die by losing her identity in Malachite, anon. Otherwise she wouldn't be so insistent on being called that.

>>79075898
She just said that to discourage Steven from searching for her.

>>79075849
>hates the CG
Eh, she likes Steven.

>doesnt take earth nicely
Uhm, I'm gonna assume you mean dislikes Earth.
And I never really got that from her.


>cant go back to homeworld
Probably doesn't want to.
Likewise, Peridot can't either.

>>79075267
>let the new people just come in and tell us how to run things
It worked for /d/.

No it didn't. I'm lying.

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;_;

>>79075939
"this miserable planet"

>>79075242
But there's only like 1 Homestuck thread a week. The last time there was two Homestuck threads up at once had to be like two months ago

>>79067204
Doesn't take much for her to lunge forward and snap her like a toothpick anon.

>>79076016
I believe Peridot may or may not have said something along those lines as well.

Maybe that dorrito should crunch herself.

>>79076059
I think Jasper, Lapis and YD say "miserable planet" because of the shit that went down there, possibly including the death of a diamond, and Peridot basically picked up the attitude from them (and was pissed about being stuck there). I don't think Peridot had any real opinion about Earth before it became her prison.

>>79076059
she described it as "gem forsaken" guess she originally hated the planet because it was supposed to be a gem colony.

>>79076059
Lapis also claims "I never believed in this place." And unlike Peridot, she was on Earth for quite a while. Peridot was more like a kid being taken on a camping trip and grumbling about the lack of internet.

I haven't paid attention to fusion theories and stuff lately, but has there been any evidence to support or damage that old theory that said fusions between people who are more compatible are human-like like Stevonnie and Garnet while poor match ups are like Malachite?

>>79076149
Garnet said it herself. They are bad for each other

>>79076149
Two big things: firstly, we saw early Garnet, and her design was a lot more confused than the Garnet of today, implying the early stage of relationship. Secondly, Matt (or was it Ian?) suggested that there aren't hard-and-fast rules for what a Fusion is supposed to look like.

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I'm glad at least I know how she'll wash up on the shore one day

>>79066949
^

Guys..
How long do these hiatuses last?

When will Steven ask for a brother?

>>79066949
>it's mostly porn
How do you find porn on tumblr?
genuinely curious. I try to search tags like latex and I get literally nothing.

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>>79076264
yeah but
>she'll only be happy with steven

>>79076343
type in Stephen galaxy

>>79076383
Everything I see is gross.

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I can't wait to see more of best eldritch rape monster qt.

>>79076453
Don't fap too hard

>>79076492
Prepare to be dissapointed

>>79067168
Because Rose Quartz was formerly Red Diamond. On Earth, she chose to become Rose Quartz, the second most abundant mineral on Earth's crust. Then Greg DP her and she farted the afro turd that we know as Steven.

>>79076583
I've been disappointed for a while now.

>>79076633
We all have.

>>79072507
Amethyst's been through some shit too. She woke up all alone with nobody else there. She had to learn what shit was on her own until the Crystal Gems stumbled upon her, possibly even being hostile at first because of who, what, and where she was.

She learns to speak, and then she's eventually told that she was made to fuck shit up, by fucking shit up, only to learn that the shit she was designed to fuck up was actually pretty great, causing her to slowly start to loathe her own existence in secret, especially whenever someone else talks about where she came from and grew up in as if it was a bad place... because it is, and she understands that, but it was also her whole world for the longest time.

Then the biggest role model she had to look up to essentially exiled herself to a mental prison for god knows how long, so that her child could use her body as half of his. She used to get along with Pearl but she also changed when Rose bailed, only making the whole thing worse.

If Garnet hadn't been there, who knows what might have become of her.

>>79075988
what the fuck is happening?

>>79076453
>tfw there's barely any good artists

JUST

>>79066821
Personally, I think it was sometime around Mirror Gem / Ocean Gem, when SUDDENLY PLOT.

>>79076846
KEK