Why exactly did she form Malachite? Lapis Lazuli is supposed to be one of the most powerful Gems we've seen yet (so much that she can easily take on the Crystal Gems with a cracked gem and still have great hydrokinetic capabilities). She could have just as easily trapped Jasper in the ocean and gotten away. Was this an attempt to make her look noble by having her sacrifice herself to the planet's ocean? What does forcing yourself into a fusion with someone you hate at the bottom of the ocean even accomplish other than a strange sense of justice that only seems to apply to this situation?
Also, human bodies are mostly water as are many other animals. Do you think she was able to manipulate the water in human bodies to help make her bridge to Homeworld higher?
i hate it when the plot hinges on a character becoming suddenly irrational, but OP, that's all there is to it. She could have single-handedly taken Jasper, not to mention the other 5 gems there.
She is in fact one the strongest gems we have seen, but she seems to have a pretty weak body, maybe she formed Malachite because Jasper was holding her, and Jasper could have been able to poof her rather easy.
And yes, I think she could have used all the living beings on earth to make her bridge, or even kill them all.
Despite this I can 100% guarrantee the show and the characters will treat her as an oh so brave selfless tragic hero rather than calling her out on the uneseccary bullshit and mental torture she pulled on Jasper and herself
Jasper was holding her and she's stronger physically
She hates the CGs and distrusts Homeworld she wanted to go away from everybody
For once, she was in control of someone else instead of being the prisoner herself
Same reason she didn't bust out her cell on the ship and easily overpower Jasper and Peridot, the threat of the homeworld or some other threat we don't know about yet. Maybe the insane power was just the result of her cracked jem. She basically the Shinji of su.
Lapis Lazuli once built a go-kart that ran on the tears of orphans. It goes fast.
I'll be fine if Steven is the only one that treats her like she's a hero because thats to be expected of him with their relationship, but I will be internally pissed if the crewniverse don't eventually have Steven or someone call out Lapis on her bullshit, it would make for some good character building and development as well.
Hell if you think about it did she really need to fight at all? Garnet beat Jasper one on one easy, losing the first time cause she didn't see that electric sword shit coming. Garnet plus the two other Crystal Gems taking on an weakened Jasper and they had a pretty good chance without her anyway.
I am more concerned on how they will make her part of the team.
She can control the entire oceano and is stronger than all the gema together. How would you writte a fight scene where Lapis doesn't quickly defeat everyone close to the City? She can probably take several spaceships alone.
This bothered the shit out of me. Couldn't have Garnet and co just ran right over there and beat the holy hell out of Jasper? Why did they all let Jasper power the fuck up? What is this, a DBZ episode where everyone just stands there watching while the villain goes final form?
I guess attacking Jasper came with the risk of hurting Lapis, like a hostage, but she'd be fine as long as the gem isn't shattered.
Lapis is basically in a downward spiral of self-loathing and perceived helplessness.
She did it partially because she feels weak didn't think she could take on Jasper, partially because she wanted to feel in control and be on the reverse end of the prisoner-warden relationship, and partially because she just wanted to vanish and become someone else.
Did you guys even watch the show?
Garnet didn't 1v1 Jasper easy. She was getting wrecked the entire fight. Look at the condition they were both in just before the end - Jasper looks absolutely unhurt, while Garnet looks fucked up.
Garnet won because she managed to goad Jasper into a position where she could throw her into the ship's core. Without an exploitable environmental hazard around Jasper would have just continued beat the shit out of her.
She is an elemental in control of water. They were literally in her element.
That puffer fish was stronger than all the gems with its wind as well, but the old granny took it out.
Lapis is weak physically. If anything gets close, or they're in a dry place, she's screwed.
The speed is mostly the result of there often being 500+ people in a singlet thread. Shit, there's been instances where almost a thousand IPs have been in /sug/ at once.
Look at any general. They're all the same shit, whether it's /gfg/, /sveg/, or anything else.
It does factor in.
But she didn't win easily, she pulled out a hat trick after a few blows from Jasper fucked her up more than every hit she'd landed combined did to Jasper. She had to struggle through that fight, and there was no power core on the beach for her to chuck Jasper into.
Did you? Because I have trouble believing believing anyone really thinks that. Garnet was winning pretty convincingly. Not easily, but getting a lot of good hits, dodging most of Jasper's and doing shit like shattering her helmet + discombobulating her. And a big victory song certainly isn't fitting for a losing fight... her throwing her into the ship's core was just the final blow. If she can stop Jasper in her tracks from her charging headbutt by catching her by the helmet then throw her (she does this twice, didn't she?), Garnet can probably beat her. The worse hit Jasper ever gets on Garnet is knocking her into the basement.
Jasper was most definitely not unphased by the fight and the ship crash. Jasper even says herself, "You only beat me because you're a fusion!" and she wants to fuse too so she can be just as strong.
Like I have no idea how you got "Jasper was definitely wrecking Garnet's shit" out of the fight.
Never mind that if she could barely take Garnet, she probably couldn't take on all the Crystal Gems, especially if they fused.
Omfg thank you. Im glad im not the only one who noticed that garnet only won the 2nd fight because she got lucky and nothing more. If they fought in literally any other room garnet would have been poofed again.
They might have not put her in there but Pearl and Garnet at least knew. They are x-homeworld and familiar with these things. Perhaps they didn't know she was sentient that entire time in the mirror as they wanted the mirror back once Steven hinted at it having a personality.
It's worth noting that Garnet literally has prophetic spider-sense and might have planned to get knocked into the basement. Every other time Jasper charged at her, Garnet was able to overpower her.
And all the other Crystal Gems were on the beach with Garnet...
Watch the fight again.
Jasper is unhurt and smiling through the entire fight, until the very end, when Garnet boxes her ears. Before that she was easily tanking everything Garnet was throwing at her.
Garnet, on the other hand, looks totally fucked. Garnet was definitely a better fighter, redirecting many of Jasper's blows and using her weight against her, but she wasn't hurting Jasper much, whereas the one time Jasper got a grip on her Garnet ended up getting driven through the ship's hull and came out looking like ass
One good hit from Jasper seriously hurt Garnet, whereas everything Garnet did to Jasper caused merely superficial damage.
Depends on the context since it's an entire alien race of gemstones that don't need to eat, sleep, breathe, drink etc. and focus on colonizing planets
So it makes sense that Lapis is specialized for planets with water, but would naturally be useless on homeworld
Also before the fusion, Jasper already got her and was one punch away from being poofed/smashed
If you see a man kill a charging bull by grabbing it by the horns and throwing it into a lake, do you say the bull would have never lost if the lake wasn't there?
I did rewatch the fight. Most of the fight is ironically offscreen, but from what we see, Jasper tries to headbutt/charge Garnet three times and Garnet just catches her and throws her two of the times.
The only hit Jasper gets on Garnet that visibly hurts her is when she smashes her into the basement (which she miiight have planned on, future vision), which does seem to hurt her a lot. Besides that they were two for two with no visible damage to either.
>Jasper can't hit Garnet with the rod shit again and Garnet shatters it
>Garnet punches Jasper in the face, Jasper catches her fist and throws her, neither visible hurt by this
>Jasper charges Garnet, Garnet throws her, Jasper does it again by jumping off the ceiling, Garnet seems to catch it but is smashed into the basement, visible hurting her
>Garnet gets punched in the face, seems unphased, Jaspers gets her visor smashed, seems at least discombobulated
>Jasper gets all DBZ battle aura and starts flying around for her last charge, Garnet stops her dead in her tracks this time and throws her into the core, winning
Doesn't really seem like Garnet has so thoroughly overpowered like you make it sound.
That actually makes sense. But Garnets future vision has proven unreliable in a lot of different instances. Saphire could actually see into the future, but garnet can only see possible futures and choices. So it's anyones guess if garnet purposely led jasper to the core room or if it was just luck. knowing garnet it was probably the former but if that's the case, garnet was seeing into the future and was STILL beat up by jasper. Either way jasper needs credit because she was able to overpower a fusion. Not just outsmart a fusion like what pearl did with sugilite, but flat out overpower them.
No. Sapphire's future vision works the same way, but she was MUCH more confident in its results because gems are predictable as fuck, and she never had to deal with creatures of chaos like humans and her defective Ruby girlfriend. Sapphire learned that the future is constantly changing, and that fate isn't real.
>Stated by Pearl that Garnet is the strongest of the Crystal gems
>Pearl one shots multiple quartz fighters with ease 5750 years ago
>Gets owned by Jasper and gives Garnet a fight of her life
So I'm going to assume Jasper is a high ranking commander and not many gems in homeworld are as strong as her or they have gotten a lot stronger since then.
Saphire is really speedy. Amethyst is not really speedy. Saphire can see future. Amethyst can not see future. Saphire is smart, but isnt very tough. Amethyst is very tough, but is not very smart.
Add a core room and see which one wins
Peridot told Amethyst is the Crystal Gem that's an actual Gem. Pearls are servants, Rubies are fusion fodder, Sapphire's future vision was used as a strategic advantage she wasn't there for combat
Amethyst is probably the strongest nonfused member of the Crystal Gems
I like that interpretation. But I think I prefer the one where, until that day where Ruby acted out, everything was according to destiny and fate. But because of what the Ruby did, suddenly everything was wrong and going against the track of destiny. (This is exactly what Garnet's narration says.) The Crystal Gems were supposed to lose that day, but Garnet being born changed everything.
So fate IS real, it's just that Garnet's existence defies it and everything she's been doing since that day has changed it.
The Terrifying Renegade was on the verge of slaying Sapphire. In one episode, Amethyst was pounding on Pearl pretty hard when they fought. I'm pretty sure Sapphire would lose to Amethyst.
Sapphire wasn't really trying to fight Pearl though
She knew the other gems in Blue Diamond's court would take out Pearl and Rose Quartz after she retreated to her gem, she just wanted to go back to Homeworld
The first Steven bomb hit all the right notes for attracting people who use sites like tumblr
All this culminated into people jumping ship from stuff like Homestuck onto Steven Universe as the SU tag on that site blew up.
Jailbreak really brought in a whole lot of new fans. That bomb had lore, lesbian rocks, and one of the catchiest song pieces in the show.
I don't think it would have had this effect if it ended on anything else like Steven growing catfingers again or something.
That doesn't work anymore.
This is 2016, nobody has a single IP anymore.
The ONLY ways to cull shitposting are to either put in the work and delete individual posts, or axe the entire thread and go get your hot pocket out of the microwave.
People on this site give Tumblr way too much credit. It's like, it's not the most relevant social media site guys, it's mostly porn. "The Tumblr audience" is not a huge one and isn't enough by itself to make any show a huge success. It's equally ridiculous when people attribute Undertale's success entirely to Tumblr.
Try to understand that people besides one from Tumblr watch cartoons. #stevenuniverse was probably trending even bigger on Twitter than it was on Tumblr at the time.
I was honestly hoping there was a Garnet vs Pearl fight that I just forgot about.
To answer your question, yea Jasper has to be very high ranking. Peridot specifically brought her along, she's not some lowby that Pearl used to slice to pieces.
She has nowhere else to go and has a lot of frustrated anger she wanted to direct at someone.
She wanted to escape her prison and return home - but as she says, Homeworld has changed. She also betrayed HW and her team by leaking information to the enemy and withholding crucial info about Rose Quartz / Steven. Jasper found that out, so she's now a traitor in HW's eyes. She can't go back home.
However, she loathes the CG and doesn't want to be with them either. She doesn't really much care for Earth.
Everything sucks and everything is ruined, so she chose to hide at the bottom of Earth's ocean and attempt to leave all of Lapis' problems behind by becoming something else, "I'm Malachite now". She wanted to make someone else suffer for a change as an act of vengeance, and Jasper happened to be there to represent all her enemies.
Sure, she chose to side with Steven and "help" him and the CG through binding Jasper, but it's a completely pointless, needless "sacrifice". Garnet had beat her alone, and now there were 3 of them and Jasper had just been thrown into a spaceship engine and withstood a crash from orbit. She was seriously weakened. It's why she was begging for Lapis to fuse with her.
If Lapis would have joined the fight on the CG side, they'd have poofed and bubbled Jasper in no time. But she wanted to hide from the world.
She's maybe telling herself she's doing it "for Steven" but imo that's just an excuse
>inb4 "Jasper threatened to kill her"
She wasn't touching Lapis when she agreed to fuse. Lapis was standing some way away and the sea was RIGHT THERE. She could have ran away, or pretended to go along with it and smacked Jasper with the water hand from behind, or fuse, maneuver the fusion to the sea, unfuse and then kick Jasper's ass with her water powers.
My question is why is Steven/Rose Quartz so fucking overpowered compared to everyone else?
>One, maybe two abilities tops
>Plant control/sentience ability
>Bubble that can survive a space ship crashing into a mountain
>Shield that can't be broken by anything
>Able to generate some sort of magic pulse ability that disables all magic as when he single handedly disabled all of Lapis' stuff that the other CGs were getting their ass kicked over
Define "keep to themselves".
Because I see content related to their shows all over the place.
Not that it bothers me, because I'm not a pissy faggot who cries blood every time he see's something he doesn't like.
The purpose of a general isn't to keep something out of your personal safe-space. It's to give fans a single regular place to come together and discuss the show with other fans.
The only time something should ever be actively pushed out of the board is when it rivals the sheer crossboard shitposting level that /mlp/ managed to ascend to. And that has never happened yet.
>"jasper was holding her"
Jasper wasn't holding her though.
Granted, I only been watching the show for a couple weeks, but I gotta be honest, these actual Steven threads are way way better than any /sug/ I've seen. All they do is share fap material.
Because the point is information is cut off from both people. If you know the other person and are able to communicate you then can effectively get the lowest possible sentancing. On the other hand if you have absolutely no knowledge of the other person whatsoever then it is logical to only confess
>The purpose of a general isn't to keep something out of your personal safe-space. It's to give fans a single regular place to come together and discuss the show with other fans
Literally wrong. Image boards and threads do that just fine. Generals are to push overflow and cancer into manageable areas. What people couldn't predict is that the general format encourages people who mightn't be cancerous retards to mingle with those who are. Generals get their own culture and it eventually turns into circle jerking ruining most if not all people involved.
Generals are a problem.
Of the generals however some can't even fulfil their most basic requirement and contain. This is true of /sug/.
Garnet has her gauntlets, electricity powers, future vision, and rocket fists. Pearl can summon small items from her gem (though it might be possible for other gems to do this as well), sand manipulation to some extent, her spear, hard light holograms, and lasers. Amethyst would probably be the least powered of the crystal gems, though we might just not know the extent of her powers. So far besides her weapon I can only think of her sanic ball. And of course there's the possibility that they have even more powers that we just haven't seen yet.
>She has nowhere else to go and has a lot of frustrated anger she wanted to direct at someone.
Uh... How about the nearest star? Or better yet drive herself straight into the sun for a quick death.
>she chose to hide at the bottom of Earth's ocean and attempt to leave all of Lapis' problems behind
Oh woe is me, I have too many problems and nobody understands me, so I'll self loathe and inflict pain upon myself while also keeping my emotions bottled up.
I hate Lapis, she's such a shit character that people pretend to empathizes with knowing well that her character is as lively as a rock. She's been rooted enough in the series to get the bare minimum of what's she's all about, yet lacks any real personality to gauge where she currently stands.
The writers are doing this on purpose aren't they? Waifu-baiting with a character who can essentially be anything you want her to be, added with the damsel and distress trope. It makes for a boring persona nonetheless.
Pretty standard fair really.
When an antagonist goes good, they rarely demonstrate the same level of power anymore. It takes all of the heroes to just barely beat them, but when they join up... they are just "one of the guys/gals"
So she could have unfused when they're in the ocean and totally kick Jasper's ass.
Your waifu didn't need to fuse for self defense. It wasn't self defense but a willful betrayal in order to make someone else suffer as vengeance for all the shit she'd felt.
The creators say it themselves. Formed through deception, held together for revenge. Note it doesn't say "self-defense".
Lapis is a vengeful bitch who's taking out all her anger on her teammate because she happened to be there.
Why? Actual drama, lorre, and ongoing story when it's not a human episode, and waifus
Lots and lots of pointless waifuposting
Peridot claimed that Amethyst, despite being a messed up Amethyst, is "stronger" then the others.
could be just her bigotry.
also note physical size seems related to power levels and rank.. Fusions are bigger. Diamonds are bigger. Rose quartz, Amethysts are supposed to be bigger, and outrank. Jasper.
People actually think this show has waifus
>Amethysts are supposed to be bigger, and outrank. Jasper.
What? Where are you getting that? If anything, Amethysts should be similar to Jasper's size, but there's nothing saying she'd be bigger or higher rank
The word you're looking for is 'jailer'. Jasper wasn't her teammate. She's taking out all her anger on her because 1. Jasper was keeping her prisoner and 2. she was an excusable target, seeing as she wanted to smush Steven.
Lapis pretty much did fuse out of anger and desire to hurt someone, but there's a reason she did it to Jasper, that being Jasper a shit who brought it on herself.
Honestly I think that's true, just with not as much biterness. Lapis Lazuli has the prettiest name of the bunch, and her character design is literally just an anime character drawn in a slightly more Western style. This combined with her barebones personality so far gives her intense waifubait.
Do you even watch the show?
She was on the mission team with Jasper and Peridot.
She was only jailed after Jasper found out that she's a traitor who's betrayed the team through leaking and withholding crucial information to the enemy, Rose Quartz the rebellion leader no less. That kind of shit does get people jailed, yes.
For comparison, imagine if a US military commando team, in the field, would have found out mid-mission during the hunt for Osama that one of their team has actually been communicating with Osama, giving them info, and also knows where they are and didn't tell them.
You don't think that soldier would be detained? Or would people just go "oh well"? Seriously?
Lapis is a traitor and a rapist.
Guys, Amethyst is a Quartz. She WOULD be the strongest of the bunch (well maybe not as much as Garnet) if it wasn't established that she's a runt. She was SUPPOSED to be much stronger, but isn't. I don't think there's "unrealized" potential here.
theres a period there.
Amethysts are suposed to be bigger, and outrank(ruby/sapphire/pearl). unsaid.
then Jasper, as another example of bigger=more powerful/higher rank.
Size and rank do seem directly related.
Size and power level SEEMS to be a thing. But, then we do have lapis doing powerful things. And pearl/peridot being tech gurus. And Sapphires prophecy powers are obviously crazy powerful. so there might be some bias as to what the gems consider "real power".
Power levels (and the gem caste system) are bullshit. Pearls aren't even made for fighting, yet our "terrifying renegade" is more or less a one gem army cutting down warrior gems by the dozen in the war. A gems ability comes from training, and while maybe I could see other gems being "stronger" in the sense that they could hit harder or lift more, that doesn't mean they are more capable fighters.
I can agree that power and rank in gem society are generally connected, but it obviously doesn't hold up on an individual level. One gem might outrank another, and their race might be generally "stronger" than another race, but that doesn't mean that every member of that race is stronger than every member of another race.
>Pearls aren't even made for fighting, yet our "terrifying renegade" is more or less a one gem army cutting down warrior gems by the dozen in the war.
Actually that was only 4 of them and they were going to lose that fight had Ruby not intervened.
I don't think power levels are entirely bullshit. It's hard but a weaker gem can beat a stronger one. Just think of as an RPG, character level =/= actual skill, but higher character level absolutely does matter. In some RPGs I can beat higher-level players in PvP, but I have to outplay the shit out of them to make it happen. I guess Pearl leveled up and got a lot better skill-wise.
The caste system being bullshit is kind of the point. The Crystal Gems rebelled against the established order. That said I don't think that's entirely irrelevant either. Amethyst is considerably weaker than she could be because she was the runt of the liter, she was supposed to be way bigger. Pearl is a fighter/technician despite being a Pearl, but she still is hung up on feelings of servitude. She still fights entirely in service of Rose and her son.
I think it's this right here. Warrior gems are probably born the strongest naturally, but what perpetuates the power levels is the caste system itself. Pearls "aren't built for fighting" so they never train , but in reality they are super magical space rocks just like the quartzes. Amethyst had probably never trained that much, and as a result is the worst fighter despite her pedigree.
Its like Pokemon. A weak Pokemon can defeat stronger ones, if he is some levels above them, even if their raw potential isnt as good.
Fused gems don't see each other's thoughts or share knowledge, otherwise Garnet would have instantly known Pearl was fixing the communications tower to manipulate her to fuse into Sardonyx with her.
Though Lapis does know of the cluster, since checking on it was the point of the mission
>Do you even watch the show?
She wasn't on the mission team, you dumbass. She was taken with them to point fingers. If you grab a person and forcibly take them with you to use them for information, they're not on your team, they're your prisoner. The first we see of her in The Return, when she's being manhandled around by Jasper, and was very clearly unwilling to be there.
You're just a huge faggot trying to justify your hate for a character with headcanon.
Because both of the gems that fused into her were there for hours when Steven was singing it, for hours on the way there.
What I mean is that fusing doesn't grant the other gem some sort of automatic window into the mind of the other. They can't see each other's secrets.
That's the thing, isn't it? We don't know exactly what the fusions know and what they don't know. Obviously a gem can hide certain pieces of knowledge, otherwise Sardonyx would have known about Pearl's betrayal, and it has been said that the fusions are entirely their own personalities. But after unfusing gems can describe how they felt to be part of that personality, and they can remember how the fused gem felt. It's awfully unclear.
>Perhaps they didn't know she was sentient that entire time in the mirror as they wanted the mirror back once Steven hinted at it having a personality.
Pearl says "It shouldn't be able to talk," and they both seem shocked that the mirror is actually talking/creating something new. It was obvious that it was a gem-created item, but they didn't know that the gem was sentient.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Considering she's doing this for him, you'd think she'd give him information necessary for him to not die. I guess she doesn't know about the cluster after all.
>hurrr Lapis was a prisoner from the start
She wasn't detained or tied or controlled. Jasper let her loiter behind her back, unmonitored, unwatched, uncontrolled. Just because she pulls her hand once and calls her a "brat" doesn't make her a prisoner. She wasn't that unwilling to be there, she wasn't threatened, she wasn't scared, she wasn't forced or coerced, she was just the mopey sulking emo bitch she always seems to be (except occasionally with Steven). She had the freedom and means to find the stone and record the message she sent to Steven - how would she have done that, had she been a "prisoner"? Peridot also calls her her "guide" in the frantic messages she sends to HW, speaking of her like a teammate.
She was a member of the team, which she betrayed.
>You're just a huge faggot trying to justify your hate for a character with headcanon.
Lel no. It's you, who are the faggot, trying to make excuses for your waifu with bullshit headcanon like "she was a prisoner"
Yeah, that's how I assumed she didn't know of it.
Honestly, I forgot why the HW gems were sent to earth in the first place.
I thought it was because Perodot reported the rebels and was sent with a Jasper to deal with them.
I know she had another mission on reactivating Kindergarten but what was the purpose of that if YD just wants earth destroyed?
Yeah, again, if you grab someone and say "hey you're our guide now faggot" that doesn't make them part of your team.
Lapis very clearly didn't want to be there. The mere fact that she warned Steven shows she didn't want the Gems to come to Earth and find him. Jasper had to manhandle her around to get her to do what she wanted her to do.
She was not there willingly.
Again, you're intentionally just smearing headcanon all over the actual show.
Okay dude, if you say so. You're the one literally ignoring what's on screen in favor of headcanon.
nigga /frz/ went on almost two goddamn years of shitposting and grossout fetishism
It was like watching a celebrity family inbreed until the last generation was a pile of hairy meat jello.
>if you wanna have a /sug/ tread you have to go to trash
>the treads are even worse than the ones on /co/ since NSFW pics are allowed there
I just wanna talk about cartoons that I watch man
Just because she maybe didn't want to be there doesn't mean she's a prisoner, anon. If someone gives you an order you don't want to do, it doesn't mean you're suddenly a "prisoner".
It's hilarious how desperately you're trying to convince yourself poor widdle Lapis was totally a victim and a prisoner all the time.
You're not even making sense anymore.
First you're saying Lapis has no consistent character. Now you're saying she's always a mopey bitch.
Everything about that scene tells you Lapis wasn't a willing part of that mission. The way she tries to avoid telling the truth to Jasper, the way Jasper has to physically force her up to the top of the ship so she can identify the rebels for her.
Don't be deliberately obtuse. Lapis, like Jasper, hasn't had much time for development yet. But the character and situation you've created is purely of your own making.
>being so new you don't even know the point of a general
>talking shit on mods will being an obvious /sug/ poster
Multiple threads is better than having you losers congregate and encourage each other assuming there's no spam.
Generals are relatively new. Threads are the true way of things.
Honestly SU threads should be carefully monitored lest it turn into stealth /sug/ but other than that it's fine.
Misuse it and wait for the blanket ban though.
choices are not rationa
the irrational need to be generous and trust in others for the common good is the lie that kept human societies stable and highly productive for millions of years
You are effectively a prisoner, especially if you have no real connection to the people using you. This isn't like being part of the army and sarge tells you to go somewhere icky. This is like coming back to your home country after a few years, finding that everything and one you know is gone and you don't agree with how anything works now, and then you get forcibly conscripted into the military and bodily dragged to some other place.
>more wah wah you're a waifufag shit
Give it a rest you colossal mongoloid. It's pretty much part of the character that she's bounced from being one faction's prisoner to the next. That's the whole irony of her going home. She expected to be free, but she ended up a prisoner once again. It's part of the reason why by the end of Jailbreak she just wants to turn into a different person and vanish.
Lapis is a pretty good representation of people that have been kicked around. She's not nice. She's spiteful, and she overreacts, and she goes for revenge over pragmatism. This stuff is what makes her a good character. She's realistic.
We actually want a general because we fear the mods will delete every tread that comes up about SU. If we have a general, we sure know that the risk of being deleted are low. Still, the current situation with just 1-2 treads about SU and pretty low shitposting are fine to me.
Guys, didn't Lapis herself say that they should surrender and go along with what Jasper says because there's no way they could fight Homeworld? So yea, Lapis wasn't a prisoner per say, she surrendered willingly. Because at the time she earnestly believed there was nothing they could do and they could never fight them.
So you're both wrong. She wasn't a prisoner, but she wasn't being a traitorous bitch teaming up with Jasper either. She simply was being mopey because she thought the situation was hopeless and it was best not to fight them.
Because Lapis Lazuli has a midget fetish, but also crippling social disorders.
She knew that if she formed Malachite with Jasper, then one day Steven would convince Peridot to join the Crystal Gems. Peridot would then assist in rescuing her from the angry fusion and be placed in a position where she would need to butter Lapis up and curry favor.
This removes all the pressure in the relationship from Lapis and places it on Peridot, allowing Lapis to focus entirely on what she REALLY wants in life: sweet green snatch from a midget.
Lapis Lazuli gonna do Peridot so nasty that her booty hole is gonna look like an exploded hot pocket.
People tend to forget that Lapis told Homeworld all she knew about the CG and left Steven out of it.
She was fine with having 3 Gems, who were most likely not even directly involved with her imprisonment, be destroyed as long as Steven would be fine.
And she also tried to kill Steven the same day she met him.
Not that anon, but I've lurked through about 5 /sug/s and they had barely any show discussion. NONE of them to the extend this thread has. It was mostly just sharing lewd fanart and talking about best girl.
Just rewatched the Mirror Gem episode. She hates the Crystal Gems for knowingly keeping her imprisoned, and they never deny it. They didn't put her in there, but they knew she was a person before a tool.
Anon. it's a fucking reaction image you dingus. If I had another one with a guy pointing a gun I would have post that
what the fuck is up with you faggots?
>the human race isn't even a million years old anon
of course not. Here be happy:
***that kept homini societies stable and highly productive for millions of years
The biggest weakness of the show, to me at least, is the fact that the characters cry extremely frequently.
Crying should usually be reserved for specific scenes to really illustrate how much stress/grief/sadness a character is under. Well done tears in an animated show or in an acted one can be extremely powerful but when in SU every other episode one of the characters are just bawwing their eyes out it cheapens the impact of it and makes it worthless as a delivery tool for the emotional content of a scene.
It simply does not matter who crys in SU anymore, it's just extremely overdone and awful that it ruins whatever scene it's in.
>You're MY prisoner now!
I find it funny that Lapis doesn't even realize she's just putting herself in a jail cell again. She thinks she's becoming Jaspers guard, but in reality she's just becoming her cell mate.
It's obvious you don't understand how shonen and its by products work.
Anyway, I think Rose being dead and being ostracised from your own Homeworld because defending what you believe in is enough reason to cry from time to time.
Thats a lie. Like 70% of the crying in this show is like a one second thing with a watter droplet on a characters eye that indicates sadness. I can recall about 4-5 times where a character is actually sobbing, and those were all in tense situations,.
Also this last m bomb had no crying outside of steen being a baby.
We've gone through like 10 episodes in a row without anyone crying. It's really refreshing.
She did create the show hoping that fans would create a shit ton of theories.
She did not, however, create the show hoping that it would become famous because a fan almost committed suicide because of other fans.
You're so mad. And the history error wasn't the worst part of the post, it's the edgy "society is a great big lie and we're all chaotic animals" minispeech you wrote.
also hominids weren't really in "productive societies" until maybe the Antiquity or ancient China so that's like ~3500 years ago at best.
Another egregious sin nobody like to talk about is the fat that it takes roughly 50 episodes for anything to actually happen.
Look I'm used to slow burn series like in anime but this is fucking ridiculous. And people act as if that okay. What a shitty cartoon fueled by an even shittier premise and boring one note characters.
>The Crystal Gems finally drill into the Earth's Core
>After a few miles (200 units) they found a collosal gem shard group inside some sort of internal chamber.
>CGs ask Peridot how to destroy the cluster
>She has no idea, but they gotta be quick because it almost completely solidified and it's about to form.
>Garnet suggests to hit it with the drill, but Peri stops her claiming that could activate it.
>After a while they decide they gotta extract it to the surface and send it to outer space, but then the cave fills with lava from the core.
>They get back to the drill and try to hook the cluster in order to drag it out the core. But the machine has not enough power for that.
>Garnet gets out and tells the rest to get back to the surface. Pearl protests, Peridot tells her if she's crazy but she says she'll be back soon.
>As lava continues filling the chamber, they escape drilling up. They eventually get back to the surface safe.
>Pearl: "Oh no! Garnet!"
>Amy: "She's fried. More than fried, she's a molten rock!"
>Steven: Guys! She said it would be alright! We should trust her. She will be back. We just have to wait.
>Everyone looks at Steven and sigh, finally understanding they can do nothing for now.
>Episode Ends. >Another 5 months hiatus.
I'm just giving you a flow chart someone made compiling the times the amount of time the characters have cried and if it was played for laughs or not. It's a little outdated though.
Is this how delusioned Lapisfags are?
Truely I have underastimated your true idiotic capabilities
No, that's just Lapidot fans. They're so fucking delusional and they won't shut the fuck up now that they've found out that Lapis and Peridot are going to interact soon.
Mods never banned me, plus I wasn't the retard who spammed all those fucking threads. I was sitting back and laughing my ass off bro.
Don't get me wrong I still like the series, I just hate the fans who can find no sin in their precious cartoon.
No, I remember you starting a thread with that picture and a few other threads around that time with the same "herp derp, I'm retarded, everyone hate me" mentality popped up and then all disappeared around the same time. Why do you do this?
Nah, I remember the thread. You started one with that picture asking a really mundane question to try and artificially increase the SU thread count.
I was your only reply before the thread got sacked. Why do you do this to shows you hate?
It was probably just a way to get her and Jasper out of the picture for a bit.
3 brand new gems to deal with on a permanent basis (i know Lapis isn't "new" as such, but i mean new as someone the CGems would have to interact with on a regular basis), 2 of which with modern knowledge of homeworld is quite a big deal for the show.
If they just defeated and bubbled jasper, then they'd never be able to deal with her without basically revisiting the centipeedle episode, only -this- time Steven accidentally unbubbles Jasper.
Also, Lapis has some legitimate concerns about the C-Gems (steven not included), so her (hopefully) impending story arc will likely deal with her and her rather valid dislike of Rose, Pearl, Garnet and Amethyst.
Peridot was an easy one to start with because she is fairly weak, and doesn't have any really good reason to dislike anyone other than what her gear told her.
I was fucking okay with the monster of the week episodes. It was the confiest thing. Then the story kick in and now everything without diamond is considered filler now
I think Lapis and Pearl have a lot in common, personality-wise.
They're emotionally hurt for various reasons, and incredibly afraid of almost everything, despite the fact they're quite a lot more powerful than they give themselves credit.
I'd like to see Garnet sever her fusion to let Sapphire speak to her for a bit; they were both former servants of Blue Diamond, perhaps Sapphire could relate to her more.
>mfw I saw people say Log Date was filler right after it aired
>is like a one second thing with a watter droplet on a characters eye that indicates sadness
>the only way the artists can convey sadness is a tear
Her original goal after being trapped on Earth for potentially thousands of years by the Crystal Gems (may or may not be the three Crystal Gems we know about) was to go back home to Homeworld.
In The Message we learn that Homeworld is much different from how she remembers it. She's clearly distressed by her experience there, and was almost immediately apprehended and assigned to go along with Peridot and Jasper to Earth since neither of them were familiar with it.
So, fast forward to the end of Jailbreak. Lapis can't go home because A) it's shit now and B) she was basically arrested by Jasper anyway and would just get in trouble, possibly shattered.
She also doesn't want to stay on Earth because she still has a beef with the Crystal Gems. So, once again, this character who has been, unlike bubbled Gems, consciously trapped for potentially thousands of years, is in a no-win scenario where she really doesn't have a choice. When given the opportunity to fuse with Jasper, she gets an opportunity to A) help Steven by getting rid of his only remaining enemy and B) put herself in a position of power over someone who repeatedly threatened and physically overpowered her. To someone like Lapis that is a dream come true.
She just doesn't understand that she has a choice to make, and that resigning herself to an eternity of torment at the bottom of the ocean, where she's her most powerful, isn't really an answer. As a Gem she HAS to choose between Homeworld and Earth, and even if she doesn't believe in the planet itself, she can learn to believe in Steven, something she notably failed to do on the ship.
>stevencrewniverse reblogged this from rebeccasugar: Hope you guys are excited for StevenBomb 7! Remember: October 17th at 5:30pm EST on CN
>Steven Universe Intro
>WE >WE >WE >WE >WE >EW >EW >WEW >WE [Chat is down. Sorry for the inconvenience]
>Still no Peri in the intro.
>Episode begins right after the previous scene. Steven and the gems are walking back to the Barn. They all have a worried expresion on their faces.
>Suddenly, the ground shakes violently. Again, and again, and again, in short periods, like if deep blows were coming from the very center of the Earth.
>Peridot: Oh no, oh no, OH NO it's too late! It's happening!
>Peridot starts to breathe faster, while intervals between blows become shorter and shorter.
>After a very loud blow, Peridot starts screaming.
>And then, it stops.
>Comic silence. Amethyst maliciously looks at her.
>Amy laughs while Peri looks her back, a little pissed off.
>Pearl: What just happened?
>Steven: ...It is... over?
>Pearl: Steven, that's imp-
>Before she can end the sentence, the ground shatters below her feet and explodes into dust. Then, Garnet appears trying to crawl back to the surface.
>Steven: Garnet! You're back!
>Pearl and Amy help her get out from the hole.
>Pearl: Garnet! What in the world happened down there?!
>Garnet: We've got to go back to the temple!
>Peridot: But the cluster, the dril...
>They are all shown from a sky view, all sitting on Lion, running back from the barn to the temple while some electrodoomsday music plays in the background.
>[END OF ACT 1]
Should I continue? inb4
Amedot a shit
Pearl's thing is all technique. She was never meant to be a front-liner, but she learned how to fight instead of be Rose's talking handbag, to the point she was able to overcome considerably stronger gems by virtue of technique and determination.
This is kinda on display in how Sugilite is ridiculously more powerful than Pearl physically but Pearl takes her down by fighting smarter.
In terms of fighting against Jasper, I feel like Jasper would beat the shit out of Pearl if she can catch her, but first she's gotta catch her.
She has a captivity complex. She was stuck in that mirror for so long she couldn't handle how different the times were so she made a new prison for herself to hide. Basically suicide.
Well i think that's the core purpose of the Crystal Gems.
It's a philasophical movement for the Gem race that suggests you can be far more than what you were designed to be through learning.
We can see that Peridot never even considered doing or trying something outside of the expected professions and powers of a Peridot, until she lost her gear and was forced to do something.
I'm still under the impression that Jasper is a fusion of some sort, whether she knows it or not.
Mostly it's her color scheme and the fact her eyes have pupils which is only shared by fusions that makes me believe this.
Pearl has pupils in close-ups
Jasper was in the war
Forced fusion experiments started after the war, they are emerging now and are just Frankenstein monsters with no mind
Stop this please
Most likely, one (or both) of two things.
>Lapis is away from water most of the time. She needs water nearby to work with something and without it she's about as strong as a teenage girl.
>Lapis still has an extreme dislike of the Crystal Gems. She isn't going to willingly team up with them unless something major is at stake or they have a mutual enemy.
>tfw the other thread is the target of anti-/sug/ shitposting instead of this one
Keep talking about gems please, don't let this one die out.
And then what? Lapis is fairly adamant that there isn't much she can do about Homeworld. Actively rebelling like that would make her a fugitive, and alienate her from the only place that once resembled her home.
Most Fusions have pupils because they're fusions of Gems with a colored pupil (like Pearl) and a black pupil (like Lapis, Amethyst, or Ruby), and even then, there's a lot of exceptions. Just to name a few, Sapphire and Yellow Diamonds's eyes have pupils. Sardonyx and Rainbow Quartz's eyes do not.
Besides, Jasper never shows any of the other telltale signs of being a Fusion - she's big, but she's not hella big, she has one Gem and one weapon, and she has no unusual body parts. Her stripey color pattern is also shared by no Fusions (bar Malachite). All the indications we've seen are that Jasper is just a taller version of Amethyst.
To be fair, the CG's had all of their friends and comrades turned against them (Corruption) and now have to fight, kill and bubble them, Garnet's mere existence may have led to some of the completely dead former CG's be glued together and forced to live out an eternal life of suffering (The Fusion Mutants) and now they have a giant, multi million gem shard monster underneath them which will completely destroy the entire earth.
Needless to say, the CG's have been through some shit.
All of them except Amethyst.
She's just an easily provoked downy ''''''soldier'''''
Fusion still fucking confuses me. How must it feel to know that you'll cease to exist for long periods of time, or that you'll only be formed for the purpose of working or fighting and will then be gone when the job is done? Can fusions like Malachite even become their own person, I mean sure Lapis and Jasper could be assimilated into one another, but it's not like Malachite will be anything more than a ragebeast. Fusions are weird.
I know this is an Akira reference, but I can't stop getting a Conan vibe from it.
> Honor and fear were heaped upon his name and, in time, he became a king by his own cat hand...and this story shall also be told
Well, Sugilite outright refused to separate because it felt too good being herself again.
Opal sighs and stretches, and seems happier in general because she knows she'll be used more often due to Amethyst and Pearls relationship improving.
I wouldn't call the FrankenGems Fusions, Satan.
Mostly because they seem to be created by supergluing the gems themselves together instead of making their forms come together by getting their boogie on.
She's basically a teenage princess, so I'd bet she'll just sit around and do fuck all. I'd be happy if she just lived at Steven's house just moping around, causing drama, and cracking jokes.
They found the mirror. I'm sure they knew someone was in it, though. I'm pretty sure tooling is probably some form of punishment on the homeworld, and it's likely that being tooled forces the Gem into dormancy while they're used to power something else, which is why they were freaked as fuck that not only was a tooled gem conscious, but it was very likely a Homeworld gem on top of that. They probably expected that Lapis would be just as quiet and harmless as any bubbled gem until they reached a point where they could start letting Gems out, corrupted or otherwise.
Also her Gem was cracked so there was no telling just how fucked she may have been when she came out.
This would largely explain their knowledge, their reactions, and their alien understanding of the situation when Lapis was a mirror. For all they knew, "she" should be asleep, or with damage like that to her gem, dead, so in all likelihood the mirror WAS just a tool.
Honestly I sort of expect Steven to be a similar existence to the Mirror, what with Rose having retreated into dormancy, as if she were tooled up, having shapeshifted part of herself to make up the half of Steven that females provide, that part wouldn't last long when unconnected from her, so she went into dormancy, still connected to it and to Steven, so he could live.
I wonder if Lapis's return will explain anything about tooling, and Steven's existence.
>badass, powerful true neutral character always keeping at a reasonable distance until they're absolutely needed
>not evil but not the image of a hero, simply is and does as they will
really stupid death that kills the show
BUT WILL SHE AT LEAST GET A BADASS THEME TUNE?
>I never believed in this place
What did she mean by this?
Her mind is fucked, mang. Scared broke from all the crazy advances and changes in society made on Homeworld. She very clearly wasn't thinking straight on the handship.
That said, she very clearly hasn't been thinking straight since the very beginning. There's nothing sudden about her irrationality. Lapis has been a nut since the moment she came out. She tried to use the fucking ocean to build a goddamn tower to space, and even though Steven had freed her, nearly drowned him before letting him come up to meet with her. She could have just barred the others from going and let Steven, the only one she seemed to have any level of trust for, instead she made water clones that nearly killed the humans, Steven among them.
>She never believed the Earth to be a relevant colony for HW
>She never believed in the rebellion
>She never believed in the organic lifeforms and their way of life (unlikely, she has been trapped in the mirror way before humans arrived to the temple)
The thread itself was fine.
It had a different topic than this thread and wasn't in general format. It broke no rules.
What the fuck is their job to you fucks, anyway?
I've been here forever, but now that the mods are deleting things I actually like I just don't know anymore. Like a "and there was nobody left to speak for me" feeling that I never thought I'd have to face.
The actual false-flagging thread a while ago was deleted quickly, actually.
The drowning seemed to be more of an extreme overreaction, mind you. She wanted to be left alone, he was making demands, her mind immediately jumped to "they want to put me back in the mirror."
Not to mention she's a Gem, and a Homeworld Gem, at that; they've never shown any compunction towards killing. Peridot tried to crush Steven entirely unprovoked.
>Let's stay on this miserable planet together!
What did she mean by this?
>She doesn't like Earth because >>79074976
>She doesn't like Earth because it has no more elemental components for gem proliferation
>She thinks people on Earth are poor and hideous
Asspull Theory no.46: Lapis comes from a mirror universe. She was cracked and fused to that mirror by other versions of the Crystal gems.
I prefer having the board function as it was always meant to, without generals at all.
Think of a topic, make a thread.
If the topic is already being discussed (not just the same show), discuss it in a thread already up.
If people run out of things to talk about, the thread dies and you don't just keep making it over and over again.
The posters should be able to take it upon themselves to determine whether they really needed to make another thread, but a real limit shouldn't be imposed by the mods.
I get that but this board has been plauged by new fags that think if you have more than one thread youre a cancer to the board.
Its best we just stay in one discussion thread at a time.
This show is the definition of cancer. You all know it too, you just refuse to acknowledge it. You force yourselves to enjoy this piece of garbage, and I have no fucking clue why. Only a major sperglord could legitimately enjoy it.
I'm writing a Pilot AU fanfic and you are giving me ideas.
The big differences between the pilot and the final series seem to be
>Designs are a lot grungier and dimmer
>Steven is more of a dick
>Gems are less friendly
>Pearl is more of a bratty older sister than a soccer mom
I have seen memes come to life and die, some going out with a whimper, some with a bang, some wordfiltered out because they simply refused to go when it was their time.
Advice Dog and CucK-posting have blurred into the same media before my eyes.
Time is relative, and time spent on 4chan cannot be measured just as something with no value can not be counted.
If at any point in time you can consider yourself to be an oldfag, you are wrong, and need to GTFO.
in short, fuck you.
The early episodes are not as indicative of the show's quality as the later episodes are. The humour improves somewhat, as does the animation and art style. It moves away from the monster of the week stuff and starts developing a consistent plot and fleshing out the lore and mechanics of its setting. In early episodes, it proved to have potential. In middle and later episodes it proved to build on that potential instead of letting it sit idle and stagnate. It was an alright show and it turned into a good one, and I enjoy what it has to offer.
But you see the fanbase, you see several threads a day... you don't have a taste for the show, that much is clear, and so it makes little sense to you. You don't think it's good, so why do others? Clearly they must be tricking themselves. That kind of thinking I can at least appreciate for giving us the benefit of the doubt that we're forcing ourselves instead of merely being mentally deficient, despite being built on faulty reasoning.
But, it remains that your reasoning is faulty. Maybe you can't understand why, and likely won't, ever. That being said, you need to come to the conclusion that just because you personally can't understand, that just because you personally don't have a taste for entertainment that allows you to enjoy the show, doesn't mean we can't simultaneously legitimately enjoy it and NOT be major sperglords.
Although there are many major sperglords in any fandom, and ours is no exception--perhaps even attracting a few more than usual--there remains the simple fact that the fraction is not indicative of the whole, as much as you've been conditioned to believe that.
Basically keeping on with the pure fantasy Sailor Moon-ish setting, the Crystal Gems are knights of the Crystal Palace who are protecting their late Queen's illegitimate son in secret. Also preserves Pearl's more level-headedness as seen in the pilot. No alien shit, no ancient rebellion, just a couple of magical warriors raising their young bastard liege and keeping him safe from the intrigues and agents of rival kingdoms. Also Lapis is a witch princess who lives in a shack on the beach.
I guess it's just what I was hoping SU was going to be before it went where it has.
>I have seen memes come to life and die, some going out with a whimper, some with a bang, some wordfiltered out because they simply refused to go when it was their time.
>Advice Dog and CucK-posting have blurred into the same media before my eyes.
Not tumblr but that's a lot of reddit.
That sounds kinda interesting, but I'm not sure where that stuff about a Crystal Palace is coming from. I don't think the show was ever intended to be anything but sci-fi - though I guess the pilot's artstyle would lend itself a bit better to a fantasy story than a sci-fi one. Would still read, though.
What other things exist in the setting?
She's trying to die by losing her identity in Malachite, anon. Otherwise she wouldn't be so insistent on being called that.
>hates the CG
Eh, she likes Steven.
>doesnt take earth nicely
Uhm, I'm gonna assume you mean dislikes Earth.
And I never really got that from her.
>cant go back to homeworld
Probably doesn't want to.
Likewise, Peridot can't either.
I think Jasper, Lapis and YD say "miserable planet" because of the shit that went down there, possibly including the death of a diamond, and Peridot basically picked up the attitude from them (and was pissed about being stuck there). I don't think Peridot had any real opinion about Earth before it became her prison.
Lapis also claims "I never believed in this place." And unlike Peridot, she was on Earth for quite a while. Peridot was more like a kid being taken on a camping trip and grumbling about the lack of internet.
I haven't paid attention to fusion theories and stuff lately, but has there been any evidence to support or damage that old theory that said fusions between people who are more compatible are human-like like Stevonnie and Garnet while poor match ups are like Malachite?
Two big things: firstly, we saw early Garnet, and her design was a lot more confused than the Garnet of today, implying the early stage of relationship. Secondly, Matt (or was it Ian?) suggested that there aren't hard-and-fast rules for what a Fusion is supposed to look like.
I'm glad at least I know how she'll wash up on the shore one day
>she'll only be happy with steven
I can't wait to see more of best eldritch rape monster qt.
Because Rose Quartz was formerly Red Diamond. On Earth, she chose to become Rose Quartz, the second most abundant mineral on Earth's crust. Then Greg DP her and she farted the afro turd that we know as Steven.
Amethyst's been through some shit too. She woke up all alone with nobody else there. She had to learn what shit was on her own until the Crystal Gems stumbled upon her, possibly even being hostile at first because of who, what, and where she was.
She learns to speak, and then she's eventually told that she was made to fuck shit up, by fucking shit up, only to learn that the shit she was designed to fuck up was actually pretty great, causing her to slowly start to loathe her own existence in secret, especially whenever someone else talks about where she came from and grew up in as if it was a bad place... because it is, and she understands that, but it was also her whole world for the longest time.
Then the biggest role model she had to look up to essentially exiled herself to a mental prison for god knows how long, so that her child could use her body as half of his. She used to get along with Pearl but she also changed when Rose bailed, only making the whole thing worse.
If Garnet hadn't been there, who knows what might have become of her.
Pearl says that their crystal palace was overrun by electric skulls in the beginning.
Hmm, some ideas:
>gems are celestial beings instead of aliens
>Rose wasn't a fat giant, just tall. All gems are normal human sized
>Pearl is still something of a renegade, but more in that she's unorthodox and breaks her order's rules if it can do some good. She's not a submissive clingy nutcase.
>Garnet is one damn person and fusions are strictly temporary transformations
>Pearl is more of an older sister to Steven rather than a mother
>Amethyst is the only shapeshifter on the team and often disguises herself to appear human so she can accompany Steven as his bodyguard without drawing attention. She also has talent with animals and monsters (hence the whip)
>Garnet is Steven's sole mother figure
>Steven is not his own mother
>Lapis is a neutral character who goes back and forth between helping and impeding the CGs
>Lapis is a romantic interest for Steven, but she only sees him as a friend
>Steven is kind of a loser and gets shit on all the time
>Pearl wasn't gay for Rose, just devoted as a knight. But she still kinda gay
>Gemstones are magical objects rather than sentient organisms; they can both empower and corrupt, turning humans into either gems (rarely) or monsters (99% of the time)
I don't know what else, I'm still making this shit up. I'm totally down to hear any ideas, though.
Having never been to Reddit or Tumblr long enough to notice what make them unique, I have no idea what people mean when they use either one as an insult towards me.
A few years back I used "Shitlord" because I saw someone else on 4chan use it, and got called a Redditor. Now apparently "shitlord" is a Tumblr word that's still forbidden.
I don't know what the fuck is going on because I genuinely don't use the other sites.
>Lapis is a romantic interest for Steven, but she only sees him as a friend
I'm pretty sure Steven likes Connie.
>Steven x Connie x Lapis x Peridot
>and Pearl watches
And that's before you get into her insecurities about her strength and usefulness. Amethyst is basically a brute, but she's the least experienced of the group and gets beaten up a lot. Deep down, she's jealous of Garnet's power and Pearl's skill, and feels like it's just another layer of reasons that she's a fuckup.
That's why Peridot's reveal hit her so hard. So much about Amethyst is defined by her birth, her feeling of how she was a mistake and should never have been made. The fact that her creation literally was a mistake, and a mistake that made her into a weakling, was something she was not prepared to hear.
Why stop there? At that point you might as well have all gems fucking each other. Except Pearl. Pearl is the household cuck.
>Lapis Lazuli is supposed to be one of the most powerful Gems we've seen yet (so much that she can easily take on the Crystal Gems with a cracked gem and still have great hydrokinetic capabilities). She could have just as easily trapped Jasper in the ocean and gotten away.
The answer is, you're dumb. Dumb people make weird assumptions, don't ask us normal people to explain them.
>Also, human bodies are mostly water as are many other animals. Do you think she was able to manipulate the water in human bodies to help make her bridge to Homeworld higher?
Average human is 40 liters of water, times 7 billion people is .282 cubic kilometers for all humans put together.
The oceans contain roughly 1.3 billion cubic kilometers of water.
I'm pretty sure if Lapis tried to control people by using the water in their bodies she'd just end up killing them. I mean you can't just move water around in peoples bodies without fucking shit up.
Well I mean I personally think bloodbending would also kill you. If a vein is weak or some shit it could cause internal bleeding. But while I suppose it's theoretically possible, I think that since SU wants to at least try to maintain the image of originality they wouldn't implement that idea if it was done already in a popular show.
No offense but that sounds way harder and slower than just shooting somebody with a gun.
Keep in mind, any alien that can't be run down by cavalry or cut down by a machinegun is not an actual threat.
Technically if you smush together each episode into the typical half hour episode, you get the typical 26 episode, 2 cour run.
In 26 episodes we learned a shitton about the characters, Mirror and Ocean Gem happened in episode 12/13, etc. It's a very full, realized show.
S2 is even more connected with arcs and all that shit. Stop whining. A lot happens to develop characters and a lot of foreshadowing happens, too.
No no no, the point of my argument from the beginning was that manipulating water inside of peoples bodies would be ineffective. Initially I supposed that the point of manipulating water was to render people into puppets of some sort, and so if the process just killed them then it would be pointless. Now, you're probably right, it most likely wouldn't kill people per se, be if what you're saying is true then my fundamental idea still holds true, that it would be ineffective.
Applying genders to superorganisms makes no sense.
There are "male" ants but not as you'd know them.
Quick explanation - Mammalian females have traits in common that non-mammalian females do not share but males do. So if they have more in common with men, it's hard to call them women.
any alien that can't be run down by cavalry or cut down by a machinegun is not an actual threat
Assuming you mean the exact opposite of what you said, that's like saying a modern military force would be no threat against cavemen because we're vulnerable to being clubbed over the head.
Garnet was comming pretty fucked up out of that rematch, even if she ultimately won.
And Jasper survived the explosion of a ship core.
She's just ridiculously hard to poof.
Considering that Lapis' power is all in her control of water and she doesn't seem to be a strong gem, there wasn't much she could do against Jasper.
Can you people please stop pretending you know what you're talking about? Dipshits never try to impersonate electricians or computer technicians, why pretend to understand biology?
>checks matt's twitter
>show's coming back February 11th with weekly episodes
>get angry at some idiot who trolled me on the internet
In a way, yes. Breast are just used to feed adolescence and ants and bees both have a special stomach used to do they same thing, so that would be their breast. As for the reproductive system, the only ones out of a group of bees or ants that would have a working reproductive system will be the queens, because they're the only ones able to reproduce and create offspring.
You're an equally dumb sack of shit. Rational, sane people prefer it when others act the same. It is not a popularity game, it is not a matter of the mean old scientists tearing down the right and proper dipshits with their dipshit assumptions. Stupid people might flock together, but you will never accomplish anything unless you actually stop being stupid.
>Why exactly did she form Malachite?
NIGGA DID YOU NOT WATCH THE EPISODE?!
Holy shit, i just realized the reason steven wears the same clothes every day forever is because the gems are treating him like a gem instead of a human. They never change their clothes until... they reform.
When/if ever Steven grows visibly he will also modify his outfit slightly to coincide with it.
No. In biology, the terms "male" and "female" are most typically used in reference to physiological sex.
The determination of which morphology is female or male is just determined by which gamete is bigger.
But even in sociology, the terms "male" and "female" typically refer to physiological sex.
Gender identity is instead designated by "masculine" and "feminine" because those refer more to behavior, but you'll also hear people say "identify as a male/man/female/woman", so it's easy to get confused.
Modern biology never had much relevance to the show anyway considering it dealt with asexual inorganic life.
>Tfw you feel like the only one who actually uses your brain when watching show
Why has Pearl turned into a neurotic punk bitch scared of two midgets when she used to body niggas on the regular?
no, that's what i mean. That's all the gems ever thought to buy him because that's how their fashion works. You don't change your outfit because the earth rotates once, you change it when/if you reform/change.
>Applying genders to superorganisms makes no sense.
I forget the episode, but don't they refer to Homeworld as a kind of matriarchy. Would that not then imply that the gems are female?
I never noticed how slender her legs are. Thanks random gusts of wind!
>all the gems ever thought to buy him
Wrong, again. The shirts are all from Greg and are unsold merchandise. They brought this up in an episode.
The gems had no input on this and I doubt they really cared.
Names are just names, a lot of their behavior suggests superorganism. Predetermined physiological roles, their reproduction and inherent subservience.
Then again, a lot of it suggests the opposite, though mostly with the crystal gems and whoever's close enough to smell Steven's pubes.
She specifically say that she was around for the first war for earth since she stayed a part of the empire she's probably been actively on the job for at least 5,000 years. So yeah, she probably ranks pretty high.
>but don't they refer to Homeworld as a kind of matriarchy
It was "It Could've Been Great". There have also been times where they've referred to each other using the pronouns she/her/hers.
Their appearance is indubitably feminine by human standards, so it's not surprising that they use the feminine declension with English words. It's also just easier and simpler for viewers (they/their/theirs sounds awkward, anything else would be obscure by television standards).
I wouldn't think too much into it though.
Whether they're feminine isn't really determined by the words they use, but the behavior and roles they exhibit. It's unclear what it would mean to be feminine in Homeworld, or whether perception of their gender is binary even at a shallow depth like it is with humans.
That's a lot more interesting than having him age normally. It would be sad but in a more adult way kids could see it.
But they'ed never do it, it's already established he ages based on emotion.
Speaking of which, is Jasper also the most durable gem we've seen thus far? The fact that getting the shit beaten out of her, then having her body thrown into the ship's core, then crashing with the ship without any kind of protection still wasn't enough to poof her seems pretty impressive.
>Except he is right about everything and knew what the Gems wanted to do before even she did.
>Ranaldo is low-Key the smartest human in the series, but his eccentric attitude causes idiots to bad mouth him
Who raped whom? Because I'm inclined to believe it's Lapis doing the raping, the character we're meant to sympathize with. While Jasper was seriously aggressive, what with her "JUST SAY YES," it was ultimately up to Lapis whether or not she actually said yes. Jasper however was clearly trying to get out of the fusion once it went all wrong, and Lapis wasn't letting her.
>getting into a really shitty and poorly advised relationship to try and show someone up because their relationship rustles your jimmies
>get roped to a really clingy and crazy bitchazoid who's likely to drag you off to some dungeon to never be seen again
You're not really supposed to approve of the situation either way. Jasper is being a bad person by being coercive and threatening and treating a bystander like her personal powerup. Lapis is being a bad person by keeping Jasper trapped in the Fusion out of spite and an effort to gain some level of control over her life.
Of the two, Lapis is meant to be more sympathetic, because Lapis's goal is a bit less blatantly malevolent. But you're clearly not meant to think that Lapis was right to do it. If you were, the show wouldn't make it clear early on that Steven wants nothing more than to break up Malachite.
Sadie and Lars also wear different outfits when they arent working at the big donut.
Greg also has some different outfits as well.
Actually i think a lot of the characters have some excuse for wearing the same outfit, otherwise they do change clothes from time to time.
>Lapis is being a bad person by keeping Jasper trapped in the Fusion out of spite and an effort to gain some level of control over her life.
What would you do in Lapis's situation?
The simple answer would be to crush Jasper under a tidal wave. That'd be a fine goal, if all Lapis wanted was to get away. Problem is, Lapis doesn't want to just get away - she has no home, she's going to be wanted by the Homeworld, and the only people who know her name bar Steven are people whom she personally despises. Forming Malachite was absolutely not necessary, but it was the only thing Lapis could think of that would a) allow her to get personal revenge on her abuser, b) allow her to control the situation for once, c) get her as far away from the Homeworld/CG conflict as possible, and d) keep Steven safe.
Does he have a pile of shirts that are the same? Maybe Greg made some kid's shirts for his band, never got around to getting rid of all his band merchandise, and just gave them to Steven.
The gems only change outfits when they regenerate. Maybe the gems wearing the same thing for fuck knows how long at a time influenced him into doing the closest thing to that as he could to be more like them.
She's coming back to hang out with Steven anyways. It was half ending the battle for Steven and the other half was her wanting to be control for once. It's not always black and white.
Malachite is the true victim, especially since fusions get their own personality after a while.
It's not about rape, though you can certainly read it that way. The point of that scene is to contrast Fusion as shown by Garnet with Fusion as shown by Malachite.
Garnet makes it pretty clear; she's as strong as she is because she's the result of a complete, loving relationship. Hell, she sings a song about it. So what's Jasper's response? "You only beat me because you're a Fusion! If I had someone to fuse with -" Jasper understands that Fusion is powerful, but she doesn't understand how or why. She thinks that Fusion is just a matter of finding some poor sap to be your personal powerup. So Malachite is born - a being of hatred, disgust, fear, desperation, and spite, that proceeds to immediately seek vengeance on itself.
It's not really so much about rape as it is a contrast. Garnet is a loving relationship between equals, producing wonder and accomplishing more than the sum of her parts. Malachite is a being of hatred and abuse, born of exploitation, and despite having all the power in the world, the only thing she can do is serve as her own prison.
That's gonna be something. I mean, Pearl is protective and nurturing, but only Amethyst and Garnet are actually loving. When Pearl learns to be warmer towards humans a lot will change. There's even a lovely pink man waiting for her so she can stop watching Steven in his sleep.
Fucking seriously. The Gems don't have people problems but for gems, they have gem problems. You can apply what you will, but it's clear nothing in the gem experience is a direct metaphor for anything in the human experience. It's just a sum of things.
I mean technically... I'm pretty sure Malachite if she ever fights will be way stronger than Garnet, possibly around the same level as Alexandrite, so in that sense, Jasper is right that fusion is powerful.
It's more that Jasper doesn't get that there's different kinds of power.
Like while Garnet was pretty strong and tough, Jasper was significantly stronger and tougher. What ultimately mattered was that Garnet was smarter and calmer, even if she couldn't deal significant damage to Jasper with her fists, she could piss Jasper off in easily explotable ways.
I don't really understand how people came to that conclusion, although I don't really mind all the fanart that came from this.
Malachite came about from the shared frustration at the CG or maybe just frustration in general. Anyway, Lapis clearly consented, albeit with the intent to screw them both over. Their cute little fusion dance is probably the main inspiration for LapisxJasper.
Fusion makes more sense as a "feel-good" power-up than non-stop sex. Pearl obsession with fusing into Sardonyx can be compared to Sugilite's resistance to unfuse.
That's not quite the point. Of course Malachite is powerful. Jasper's strength combined with Lapis's hydrokinesis? She'd flatten anyone short of a Diamond. But it doesn't matter, because Malachite can't actually do anything. Her components are so firmly at odds that she has nothing keeping her together except a desire for revenge. If Malachite, like Garnet, were born from love, she would be completely unstoppable - but she isn't, and that's what Jasper doesn't get.
I would have appreciated if their fight was a little bit longer and Garnet's song ended sooner.
If people want to make retarded sexual analogies to the Malachite fusion, it's more like Lapis was a woman consenting to sex for the sole purpose of then turning around and claiming rape to defame her partner.
I'm not sure why she'd be immobile though. Like Jasper and Lapis both hate the Crystal Gems and planet Earth to varying degrees, so you'd think Malachite would be united in wanting to crush them, wipe the Earth clean etc, only being divided on Steven.
How come we can't have more fights like this?
Well, firstly, Lapis doesn't want to crush the Crystal Gems. She hates them, but mostly, she just wants to get as far away from them as possible. If she wanted to kill them or the Earth, she'd have done so in Ocean Gem.
But even then, the thing is, it takes a lot more than "we both hate those guys" to work as a foundation for a relationship. This is why Malachite is such a confused, shambling mess, with no distinct personality - because a Fusion is the embodiment of a relationship, and Lapis and Jasper have no relationship.
The point of Malachite's character is to be a metaphor for toxic, abusive, exploitative relationships - the kind where neither party wants to be there, and are only in it to serve some personal selfish motivation. The point is that a relationship like that produces nothing but misery and hatred.
no no, that would be if Lapis unfuses plays victim while the CG capture and bubble Jasper.
Right now it's Lapis consenting to have sex while revealing she's really fucking strong and now they're locked in eternal hatesex under the sea.
This thread is pointless.
We all know Lapis is batshit insane and a horrible person at heart. She just wanted to unleash some of her sadism onto Jasper, unfairly. Yes, unfairly, because Lapis had absolutely LITERALLY no reason to fuse with her.
I find it funny how Malachite mirrors Garnet in other ways, though. Jasper, for instance, is a Quartz, like Amethyst, basically a soldier/guard type, and likely mass-produced... like Rubies. And there exists evidence to support that Lapis was a member of Blue Diamond's court, an aristocrat basically, furthermore with insanely powerful hydrokinesis powers as well as an innate flight ability, so it seems likely that she, like Sapphire, may be rare and/or unique in that way.
Plus they're a fiery orange and dark blue, so it's hard not to draw comparisons to red and night blue.
Lapis is the worst kind of villain: She masquerades as a helpless waif, tears shit up, and then goes back to being sad waifu when the good guys get ready to push her shit in.
What so his gem just shits out a billion shirts and Pearl folds them?
Wait. What if that's why she watches him while he sleeps? Another shirt is generated every few days while he sleeps?