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This is just sad
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No, this is just can
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Left the poor man alone already.
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If you want to integrate 2D and 3D animation, you should probably make sure you know the first thing about 3D modeling.
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At least he's got a Can-do atttitude. Don't be quick to label the guy.
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>>79052144
I donated 100 dollarydoos to this instead of Anomalisa.
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>>79052211
I would expect nothing else from a Can-adian.
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This is the initial injury that began /co/'s hatred for John K. This blog post.
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>>79052274
I'm so sorry.
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>>79052554
He's not wrong though.
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>>79052554
What are the other 13 pretend cartoons?
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Why does John K think that making every limb move at the same time in very very bad flash = good animation.
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>>79052638
Just so everyone remembers:

/co/ hates John K because he doesn't like Animaniacs.
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>>79052706
but it was a good show
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>>79052554

post the rest of the pretend cartoons and lets keep the hate burning
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>>79052554
Wow, that is the biggest butthurt I've ever seen.
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John K sucks but so does Animaniacs
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>>79052706
No. I hate him because he's an unfunny hack who got lucky and has the worst case of "Everything was better in MY generation!" I've ever seen.
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>>79052638
The things he's saying aren't exactly proportionate to the hate he has for it. Plus his style is very polarizing so to people who don't like his style he comes off as a weenie who doesn't know what he's talking about. At this point he's yelling at clouds.
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>>79052706
Yes, that's all it is Anon. Nothing to do with the fact he's a lazy fuck who manages to piss off and alienate everyone he works with to the extent that he can't do the thing he claims to love doing and care about so much, making cartoons.

I'd love nothing more than to see John K. produce good cartoons again. But he isn't doing that. He's complaining about other people's cartoons while occasionally putting the odd couple of hours on this shitty student film about his daddy issues.

I don't hate John K. All I feel is disappointment.
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>>79052144
ART

TAKES

TIME

YOU

PLEBS
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>>79052706
/co/ hates John K because he's a massive faggot with a god complex who thinks he's the singular authority on everything about cartoons because he made Ren and Stimpy.

I don't even disagree with what he's saying, but he conveys himself so artlessly and is constantly vaguely implying that they should all be copying what he did and that anyone attempting anything else is a corporate hack.
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>>79052638
Yes, he is. On that image example, at least, it's all unjustifiable critics and clear hate blurred vision.
Sounds like a big bitch.
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>>79052554
>>79052667
>>79052780
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/12/apealing-or-unappealing.html
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>>79052196
What's wrong with the 3D model? It's a can, pretty impossible to fuck up.
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Good ole John Krispyfuselage does it again!
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>>79052706
I hate john k because he's an egotistical pedo that can't even make one 10-minute short within 3 years of his deadline.
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>>79053048
>pedo
Just because he went to a 13 year old Katie Rice's birthday party doesn't make him a pedo
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>>79052992
Both in the Cans mock up and in his recent Simpsons intro, he uses the most stock textures, lighting and shading techniques that make it look like it's straight out of a sophomore graphic artist's portfolio. He also makes no attempt to make either the 3D bend to the 2D or the 2D bend to the 3D. Even if he was intentionally highlighting the juxtaposition of the realistic shading effects and completely stiff geometry of the 3D with his flat-shaded extremely absurd 2D style, he could put more effort into making the former look professional.

You can have extremely different animation styles in the same world without them looking like one layer is pasted on top of the other. Look at Gumball.
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>>79053160
what
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>>79053225
He molested katie rice
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>>79053252
good
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The irony in this has actual mass
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>>79053252
Now now, I don't think that's proven, although everything does point to him wanting to badly but being rebuffed at every try.
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>>79053345
I don't blame him, who wouldn't want that big white booty.
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>>79053345
He fucked Kalli, didn't he? She was like barely legal.
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>>79053326
>"Harry Potter" fans
I don't know why that got me, but it did
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>>79053252

One day I hope she goes public with those stories.

She always talks about how much of creep he is, but I want details god damn it.
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>>79053326
Is that webcomic usually done in the john k style, or were they using it there to make a point?
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These threads always talk about Katie Rice and Kali Can'tspellio but there are dozens of other girls that John K "took under his patronage"

And frankly, fucking girls a third my age when I'm 60 is a life goal of mine.
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>>79053252
>>79053380
1 everyone should wanna fuck katie
2 is that what sparked her massive talent
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>>79053524
That's the style of Animaniacs.
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>>79053542
>These threads always talk about Katie Rice and Kali Can'tspellio but there are dozens of other girls that John K "took under his patronage"

Well those are the ones who went on to do something other than crawl up into the fetal position and sob in the shower.
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>>79053524
it's literally done in john's style and kyle is a sycophant of his who had a massive falling out with john
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>>79053617
Off the top of my head I can name four who work in the animation industry and two more who work in other fields.
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>>79053697

Well, good for them.

But the dirt will never come off.
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>>79053542
I guess we could talk about Robin Byrd, or however she spelled that. She was the straw that broke Spumco's back. He shoe horned her into the Ripping Friend's production something fierce. All of his crew that were true peers and made up for his short comings called it quits after.
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>>79053816

Ripping Friends was god awful.
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>>79053542
hes well known for TRYING to fuck them, but not managing to.
Like literally all the girls he works with he ends up "falling in love with" and tries for months to get them to drop their boyfriends for him while they try to remind him they are not into him.

Hes known for then making "grand" romantic gestures to try to woo them and thats around the time they just cut ties. Happens with pretty much every girl that worked with him. Hes fucking desperate for teenage pussy and he never gets it, its hilarious.
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>>79052706
aaggh you got us!
we hate john k because we're zany to the max and there's balogna in our slacks
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>>79053872
Its better than most give it credit but yeah, he really phoned it in. The Canadian animators have some stories. Shit like John coming up with all the reference materials weeks into production. The crews would have to do with very little and would try to figure it out from Ren and Stimpy. Johnny got mad that they would not meet his expectations of what stuff should look like. Some of John's constructive criticism would be that the clouds looked like turds.
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>>79053930
>Hes known for then making "grand" romantic gestures to try to woo them

Oh well that makes my skin crawl.
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>>79053930
>hes well known for TRYING to fuck them, but not managing to.
No, no, he's known for boning them.
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>>79053981
I think the only success was Kali.
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>>79053981
no, he's really not.
He's the most well known beta small time celebrity of them all, he tries to pose as someone that will mentor them and then tries to et into their pants, and he fails horribly, repeateadly.

Maybe a couple of them threw him pity fucks, but what he's known for is failing at getting those girls and beta orbit them for ages trying to prove himself.
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>>79053930
>Hes known for then making "grand" romantic gestures to try to woo them

How so?
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>>79054016
didnt rebecca sugar have some horror stories from when he was trying to woo her?
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is true that this was made by John K?
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>>79052985
>Everything new sucks, everything old is great!

What an old fart, holy shit.
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>>79054059
I got out of giving a shit about John before then. I got no clue beyond Kali.
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>>79054109
Yep.
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>>79054054
the ones i read about involved lame shit like flowers and chocolates to surprise them with declarations of love after already being refused a couple of times.
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>>79054162
Huh, neat.
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>>79054211
Is that what he's going after currently?
Man, his art style is really degrading. He's set himself up in a safe space since Spumco died and hasn't ventured out.
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>>79052554
Do people still think Animaniacs is good? It's basically proto-Family guy.

>Hurrdurr 40's Hollywood reference kids won't get
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>>79053624
John apparently posted some of Kyle's art on his blog and ripped it all to shreds. If that's true it probably didn't help matters.
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>>79054162
He could draw well at one point in his life. Sad to see he's sort of a laughingstock now.
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>>79052554
You mean your hatred for John K
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>>79054392
Kyle was dating one of the girls John was trying to woo.
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>>79054466
let that sink in, you meet a cartoonist you think is great, you shake his hand as you and your girlfriend are awed to meet someone that shaped your childhood, and then he proceeds to stalk your girlfriend while posting on his blog about how much of a shithead her boyfriend is.

And the dude actually thinks this will give him more of a chance with your girl.
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>>79053816
>Robin Byrd
Got the full story? I've been keeping up with this stuff for years, and I've never heard about her.
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>>79054466
Neat. I guess we can put John K in the list of people to call a cuck.
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>>79054162
Prove it.
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>>79052701
If you showed it to him in the 90s he would have probably hated it.
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>>79054392
>>79054447
Bill Wray inked it for him, that helped a lot.
>>79054755
Literally every reference to this credits John, even Wiki. He'd deny it if he hadn't.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/37049771?q&versionId=48121826 this is a catalog record of a book of John's work.
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>>79053502
>She always talks about how much of creep he is, but I want details god damn it.

I mean yeah john is a creep but he is a creep to everyone. Do you have any sources that point to her being harassed?
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>>79054755
I'll prove your mom with my dick.
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/12/joe-barbera-tribute-1.html
I swear lazy fucks too lazy to type into Google "John K Cave Nudes"
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>>79052706
He also hates Bugs Bunny and any other looney tunes that isn't very early daffy.

Dumb nigger hates the hunting trilogy.
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>>79054936
theres a post somewhere where she is narrating about a video where she is with him and she keeps going on about how she cannot really describe what was happening behind the scenes but she had her skin crawling everytime he touched her shoulders while smiling in the video
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>>79054936
https://twitter.com/katiejrice/status/429920296926056449
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>>79054376
>40's
try 90's pop culture references.
The references are dated but the slapstick and non-referential humor still holds up pretty ok.
John K is just a talentless fuckstick aping more successful cartoonists while shitting on everything else that isn't him. He's shit, and an hebephile.
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>>79055139
https://twitter.com/esilena3000/status/564665874720632833
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>>79055139
I feel really bad for her.

John is a huge hero to me for R&S, but I know clearly that he is a huge asshole in real life.
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>>79054720
Probably 1999 through early 2000s. She's in the credits for Ripping Friends, Boo Runs Wild and probably a few other things. John was dating her. She knew jackshit about writing or drawing. I think she was riding the bologna pony so John makes her be part of everything being worked on at the time, especially the writing to the chagrin of all those who had been with John for a long time, the bigger names in the credits, those who kept John on the rails or filled in where he left off. She was his Yoko whether it was her fault or his I don't know. Eventually it just drove off all the people who kept him going in the right direction. Spumco became inhabited for the most part by his fans fresh out of art school. These youngsters followed him blindly because they thought he new best. Eventually he drifted from Spumco, moving to Canada for a long time, leaving folks adrift out in Spumco, leaving them to do all the work and him putting his name on it. Its why the Jetson's stuff was so bad. A lot of it was a young Gabe Swarr. John really hates the Jetson's stuff. In a chatroom I was in that he stopped by he called the kids working there fags. Very dickish of him. Eventually I guess projects dried up as did paychecks for his loyal workers. You pay months late and eventually blind followers drift away. Eventually Spumco in North Hollywood California closed down. The location is now a weed dispensary.
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>>79055183
>https://twitter.com/esilena3000/status/564665874720632833
he probably showed up with flowers and chocolate and tried to get her to move in with him and be his cute sweetheart


seriously im imagining chris chan with a bit less of a disorder
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Is it just a placeholder, like he's going to draw in the cans later?

At least Bakshi was a more effective director. It might've been shitty animation, but at least he'd finish something.
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>>79052211
>shitty tumblr meme game
Kek
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>>79055292
It could be but it might be like the intro he did for the recent Treehouse of Horror where the masks stood out against the 2D stuff.
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>>79054942
Holy shit, that story was great.
>I have so many stories that I think I will spread them out for a bit.
Apparently Johnny boy didn't think to put them all under one tag. Can someone post the rest?
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>>79052985
"I don't know if modern-day furries even realize it, but this whole movement grew out of Disney fan art from the 1970s. Nerdy kids who loved Lady and the Tramp and Bambi and wished they could draw as well as Disney animators. They took the squirrel-mask face style, drew it poorly and stuck it on top of human proportioned bodies and then had nasty things happen.

Who ever thought this would grow into a full blown cult?

In the last 15 years or so, furry style has in turn influenced mainstream "decent" animation."
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>>79055060
The commentary really isn't necessary. You can see the tension etched into every line on her face while John K crones about how she drew all the nipples on his sexy girls while he caresses her shoulders.

Later on he has another girl sit at his feet like a dog while he talks about her confiding in him that she got horny when she was pregnant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UojpZ_Ec-q8
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>>79055501
I wonder why they agreed to be in these recordings if it made them so uncomfortable.
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>>79055605
Because their boss told them to.
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>>79055619
> baleeted

that was fast, what was it
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>>79052985
> Putting big sparkly eyes on male characters makes them look pretty gay, and I don't understand the appeal of that.

It's because the big eyes make the male characters look homosexual.
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>>79055466

My favorite part:

>So I told him how I used to draw his characters all the time when I was a kid and that I loved this style and always wanted to do it. I had begged Bob Singer to let me work on it but he kept telling me I was drawing too flat so he wouldn't show you."

>I went on, like an idiot to tell him I hated Scooby Doo and all modern cartoons, and Joe said "Me too kid. I've never understood why the networks keep ordering more episodes of it. What is there to it? A big dumb dog and some teenagers. Every show is the same Goddamn story! It doesn't make sense to me but they can have it as long they want it."

Amazing to see that he admitted he didn't like the show.

>Apparently Johnny boy didn't think to put them all under one tag. Can someone post the rest?

I think that was the only one he did.
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>>79055679
Just an image of Stimpy and George Liquore, no idea why it was deleted.
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>>79055679
It was George Liquor getting angry at Stimpy. Maybe it was a delete glitch?
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>>79055292
Bakshi is god awful at character design and animation, but the passion and fun he has for the process is incredible
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>>79055473
Does this nigga think humans having a fetish for animals started around the time he was growing up?

Does he actually think the Earth didn't start spinning until he was born?
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>>79055768
His standard for literacy is consistent with where he grew up.
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>>79055712
>>79055727
No, I was going to do another post but then I saw that post and replied to it, except I forgot to take the image off.
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>>79055501
YOU JUST KNOW
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>>79055201
You should host screenings of John's earliest works and come full circle, all to the laughter of potheads.
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>>79055831
/tv/ is most welcome here
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>>79055768

are you a furry?
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>>79055473
Fucking Preston Blair and the Disney Afternoon ruined it for me as an animator.

Now all my human characters have those proportions as an easy go to.

It's why I admire people like John though, because shitty as his style is, it's still something, just different enough to stand out, for better or worse. It's good he inspired a new breed at least. Like Kyle and Katie.
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>>79055880
why hasn't /co/ done a tribute to baneposting
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>>79056217
Because this is hothead central.
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>>79055501
She was delish, what a shame...
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>>79055768
>>79055779

Furries and bestiality are two different things
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>>79053252
>>79053930
>>79054030
>>79054662
Those are some nice sources you got there, fuccboi.
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>>79052554
This reads like the rantings of some angry middle aged nerd that reviews random cartoons in a basement. Not the words of an industry professional.

Why does he give a fuck, or assume anyone else could give a fuck? It's a damn show for kids not super serious analysts that take their deep knowledge of animation history with them every time they turn on the tv.
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>>79057716
He's essentially blacklisted from the industry and complaining from the margins (like we do) is his only connection to it.
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>>79055364

>I let other people decide what I should think!
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>>79057978
Except we do it anonymously with no risk to our reputation and some of us shitpost for giggles or stress relief. At the end of the day, we're here to waste our free time and can go on living in the morning. He's stewing in his anger and rage every day and people know him for it and the only ones who will give him a chance now are die hard fans who still believe in his "vision".
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>>79058100
well put, repeating digits of truth
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>>79052211

*Papyrus becomes upsetti
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>>79057978
>does animation work for Fox, Reel FX and Adult Swim
>"blacklisted"
Dumb faggots spouting shit they know nothing about, like most of these threads.
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>>79055292
What would be the point of having the cans be CG as a placeholder?
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>>79057716
>w-who gives a fuck??
>getting anally flustered over his opinions
I guess you do.

Anyways that screencap is in context between what he finds appealing and what he doesn't. I don't think any reasonable human being would have a problem with the things he says look ugly to him (pic related)
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>>79052706
Or because he's a thieving thin-skinned kike who hates anything that isn't his own work and stands on the shoulders of giants, and by giants I mean Ralph Bakshi.
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>>79058514
Yes but he also said that Delgo is unappealing as if that really needed a fucking blog post to tell us why. He basically jumps between horrendously bad designs that weren't even really relevant at the time of him making those posts and then shit like Gerald McBoing Boing as if they deserve to be clumped together.

It would be like if I posted why modern day CG animation sucks by using Reboot as an example.

Basically, his examples could be better. They don't need to be outdated or on the extreme shitty end of the spectrum. He cherry picks to prove his point, then goes on the other end by just saying things that are flat out wrong. "Kids wouldn't like McBoing Boing designs"? Because he kids thinks are having gigglefits over his shitty art? What the fuck.
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>>79052554
He's probably right. The guy knows his shit when it comes to the technical aspects of animation. Even if his art and skills have eroded over the years, I think his problem is that he has a little too much knowledge on the subject. Look at how he picks Animaniacs apart for mixing the 30s and 40s style and doing it wrong. Next to nobody would notice that, and I'm sure that nobody but him really gives a shit. And yet he keeps screaming at the wind, like an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. Do I hate him? No, I don't. I even think that everyone could learn a thing or two with him about animation or just cartoons in general. I just think he's an idiot and a dick.
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Why is he so amazingly unprofessional that he rants like the typical autistic youtube commentator?
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>>79054109
To this day, this is the only explicit /ss/ pic that doesn't get you banned for some reason.
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>>79057716
>I don;t really give a shit at all but Imma get real mad about my not giving a shit
>He angers me sooo much
>but I really don't care
>This is me not giving a shit at all
>But I hate him so much

Yea anon, John K is the one with a problem.........must be everyone else huh?
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>>79059228
what the hell do you think he is saying anon?

because I don't think this is it
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>>79058675
First it's he's doesn't like anything older than 1970, now it's he hate anything that isn't his work...
This board has a lot of irrational hatred.

>>79058747
>Yes but he also said that Delgo is unappealing as if that really needed a fucking blog post to tell us why
It actually did to contrast it against all his posts about Disney principles and why certain contrasts in character design are more appealing than others.

> and then shit like Gerald McBoing Boing as if they deserve to be clumped together
He was calling Gerald McBoing Boing appealing. Learn to read.

>It would be like if I posted why modern day CG animation sucks by using Reboot as an example.
It has nothing to do with "modern day" and more what sucks and what doesn't.

> Because he kids thinks are having gigglefits over his shitty art?
Well yeah, Ren and Stimpy was the Spongebob of it's time.
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>>79060410
>He was calling Gerald McBoing Boing appealing. Learn to read.

Reading means nothing if you can't comprehend.

>This is appealing to other designers.
>Big eyes, all the shapes are distinct; lots of contrasts in the sizes and shapes, good composition, happy looking.
>In theory this is very professional and appealing, but I can't see it appealing to kids, because it looks too simple and it's not entertaining.
>A kid might think "Heck, I can draw that good." and the designs don't indicate that the characters have any personality-they are well designed graphic symbols.

Just because he plainly says "This is appealing" doesn't mean he means it. He goes on to say how they're bland and only appeals to artists, not to children, so in relation that means it's a failure since the product was intended for a kid audience. He also implies how cartooning should be judged by how complex it is to do. The simpler it is = The less impressive it is because kids will just think, "Heck I can do that!".

But since this is the same guy who over animates a limb by having it move 50 times in a second, I assume he doesn't understand how long of a way "less is more" can go.

He basically said Gerald is appealing but not good, which is just a roundabout way of saying this is my example of bad design.
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>>79052554
>Animator beefing
>This entire board is supposed to care

Yeah it's totally not like artist beefs haven't happened ever before.
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>>79052554
Wasn't another injury is that a John K fanboy started fights in Adventure Time threads for like a year or more? Always going on about how new toons suck and John K is our savior.

I'm sure that's another reason a portion of /co/ hates the guy, his fans used to always derail threads with arguments.
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>>79052985
>It's a cynical caricature of sappy cuteness. Everything about Jones -even at his best - comes off as cynical to me, like he doesn't have any love or respect of life or humanity. He is super skilled, but needs to be surrounded by other more light hearted cartoonists to influence him to be less cynical.
Oh, John, you card.
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honest opinion here

dude is a BRILLIANT caricaturist but i wish he would be paired with a more competent writer / editor. the dude needs someone to help him write compelling stories and to keep his excesses in control. it can't ALL just be exaggeration.

George Liquor and the Ripping Friends are two of my favorite things and that's without the writing being all that hot. the caricaturing is just that damn good.

also, his criticisms are dead right.

i fully support john k if that means he finally gets off his ass and takes the act of creating more seriously. i still love his stuff but i just wish it were... more.
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>>79063637 cont.
>http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/12/apealing-or-unappealing.html
ok so maybe dead right is an exaggeration but the man is entitled to his opinions
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>>79063666
See, I can understand giving criticisms and having opinions over what you don't like. What bothers me is how he vaguely seems to imply that everything should be done the way HE does it, especially when his own style is so out there that people typically either love it or despite it.
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>>79063637
The thing is that fully supporting the man without question is what led to him getting that amount of cash for a a couple incomplete minutes of disjointed garbage.

I agree fully of what the other anon said that he has a great grasp of animation fundamentals and a keen sense of style but he can't put it together by himself at all.
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>>79052638
this
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>>79055473
Confirmed John K. is not closet furry
Doesn't know how much OC there was, thinks it was mostly derivative

There's a LOT of OC furry back then. More than derivative furry even.

You don't see it today because it was pre-digital
He didn't see it then because you had to actively look for it
IIRC fanzine style publication of small run comics for people who just like furries for the sake of it and enough of them realized it at the same time to start organizing and sharing.
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he should learn how to draw more than one type of female body shape
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>>79052554
>>79052706
Also /co/ just wants to fuck animated pussy so don't take anyone seriously
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>/co/ wants
>/co/ thinks like
>/co/ hates
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>>79058100
Speak for yourself, I stew my anger and rage too, because it's the only thing that keeps me going.
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>>79052554
So - he reacts to new stuff like /co/ does, and then /co/ hates him for hating stuff in the same they /co/ hates stuff.

Man it's true, haters gonna hate...
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>>79052144
For a moment I read "sad" as "sand"
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>>79055768
ancient anthropomorphism and zoophilia =/= furry
The furry fandom was only created in the last decades, assuming it all started with disney cartoons is only fair
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>>79052274
100% of your donation went to rendering that cgi can.
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>>79052765
I remember the 90s.
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>>79052554
but everything he said about the animaniacs was true. It was clutered, the clothes bulged awkardly, wasn't remotely human... why you'd consider those are bad things is up to your taste, and he is entitled to it. He wasn't just ranting, he was giving food for thought about many artstyles in a larger blog post


Jhon K is the Chris Chan of animation, his only crime is being an aspie creep, stubborn about what he wants and not knowing where the line is about personal (and sexual) matters.
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>>79053326
I think its hilarious that all of Jhon's disciples have either cut off all connection with him or fucking hate his guts and make caricatures of him in their comics. Katie and this guy are good examples of this. Even though they fucking hate the guy, they still have major influences of him in their drawing style.
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If Jhon fucking hates modern western animation, what does he think about anime?
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>>79066404
I really couldn't give a shit about what kind of a person someone is, I think /co/ spends WAY too much time and effort on attacking creators they don't like based on bitchy gossip about their personal lives rather than judging the stuff they create. If literally Hitler had been a good artist, his art would still have been good. Even causing the deaths of millions doesn't make someone's art worse. Or better.

John K was really good at what he did. It's unfortunate to see his work ethic decline to the level it has now, and this bizarre and jarring insertion of CGI doesn't mesh with his style at all, I'm surprised he can't see or admit that. But you can still see the care that's going into the traditional animation, even if he does seem to only spend about an hour a month on it.
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>>79067044
John pls
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>>79052828
Animaniacs was basically 90's Teen Titans Go~

I mean, hell, if you watch Teen Titans Go, there are some episodes that give you a kind of 'Warners' vibe with the Titans
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>>79066804
He thinks it's generally shit but isn't as insulted by it as modern western animation, partly because I don't think he sees japanese as actual people.
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Did John K ever comment on Superjails style?
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>>79059052
He's right about the style mixing 30s and 40s, but I disagree with him about the characters looking too crumpled up. They look really bouncy, and I think they complement each other well.

Also, the oversized clothes are part of the character design. It shows that their personalities are loose and off the wall.

>>79064100
>He didn't see it then because you had to actively look for it

He went to high school with the people that drew that stuff. Because of how obsessed he is with cartoons, im sure he saw everything everyone else was drawing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZBwgz-ANwA
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>>79066804
There is an interview online where he said that anime should be left to the japanese. He also said that he enjoyed astro boy.
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>>79052706
>/co/ hates John K because he doesn't like Animaniacs.
Actually, I don't like Animaniacs, but John K's reaction is childish and embarrassing. John K is childish and embarrassing.
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>Everything about Jones -even at his best - comes off as cynical to me, like he doesn't have any love or respect of life or humanity.

How does one arrive at that conclusion from these cute cat drawings?
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>>79067424
>He went to high school with the people that drew that stuff. Because of how obsessed he is with cartoons, im sure he saw everything everyone else was drawing.
The kids in your highschool class are not a good representative sample of the whole world, anon.
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>>79069428
There were kids in my high school classes that drew furry stuff on deviant art, I'd say that is pretty representative
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>>79067424
>>79069508
>these two dorky kids in my freshman year
>they seem pretty chill, always drawing pretty good anime-style stuff and talking about cartoons
>nothing seems out of the ordinary, befriend them
>suddenly, weeks after the entire school has seen me hanging around with them, they start discussing furry sex MUDs loudly in the middle of classes
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>>79069428
The kids in my school always drew tons of anime shit. Hell, there was a case of one girl who made ots of Invader ZIM fanart and fanfics and now she has a show.
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>>79068421
Jones fucking hates cats in comparison to dogs.
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>>79069637
What show?
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>>79063711
>vaguely
There's nothing vague about it. I love the man's work (what's actually good) and admire his influence, but he's an egotistical asshole who needs to be kept in check.
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>>79069786
The one about lesbian space minerals.
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>>79070382

Fucking bullshit you went to school with her.
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>>79052196
Pretty sure John K will tell you he invented 3d modeling.
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>>79060908
Not too sure if it was just one preson but there was a time when it was impossible to have anything Adventure Time related without some John K freaks coming in and ruining the entire conversation.

The ever constant complaints about "doodle toons" and "pretending to be John K style" just infested every Adventure Time general.
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>>79070409
What? No, there was a screencap going around. Glucose was the kind of girl you'd make fun of if you around 2005-ish.
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So what I am seeing here is that John K has come full circle?

>He was some cartoon nerd
>actually got an education and got into the industry
>was fairly successful and had his own creations on tv
>few failures and was reduced to small time jobs
>not working in the industry any longer
>spends his time on the internet complaining about other people's work and trolls communities
>makes doodles on notebook paper and demands affection from the internet for it

He is pretty much doing what other people do if they never got an education and/or a job. Bitching on the internet like an edgy 14 year old and showing off his poorly scribbled on notebook paper "art" and looking for praise.

You think he would just get a Deviantart and fanfiction.net account and complete the transformation.
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>>79063711
Yea this is what I am seeing. He seems to have total disdain for anything done not to his own personal specifications.

As if somehow other work from other artists are required to meet his own approval before it is displayed to the public.
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>>79070578
now he makes menu animations for milkshake machines

https://vimeo.com/92366134
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>>79070409
Holy shit you're dense.
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>>79067589
I tend to think he would be taken a little better if he had some element of professionalism.

He could do better if he just genuinely talked about what he thought was not done correctly in X series or characters.

His angry ranting style comes off as more of a bitter crazy guy or spoiled child instead.

It just ruins the credibility.
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Check that, boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgQc4ZkVeMY
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>>79065426
I never noticed how much Clone Wars Anakin looked like John Cena.
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>>79054936
It's kind of an open secret. The guy that made Johnny Rocketfingers has a bunch of drawings alluding to it.
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>>79071168
Post them
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>>79052985
This nigger is the scaruffi of animation
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>>79070382
All righ, do you have something to back that story up? Like yearbook photos or something?
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>>79071304
crackedanimations.com
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>>79065426
Why is this so funny
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>>79067589
The "/co/ hates John K because he doesn't like Animaniacs." thing is a meme by someone who actually does hate John K because he doesn't like Animaniacs and wants to blame it on /co/.
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>>79071561
Geez, that guy is awfull.
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>>79071584
Dumb SUfag
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>>79063711
> What bothers me is how he vaguely seems to imply that everything should be done the way HE does it
But he doesn't? He doesn't tell people to study Ren and Stimpy or his other drawings, he tells them to look at Disney, WB, Fleischers, Lantz, golden age newspaper cartoonists and illustrators, and even color schemes in anime.
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>>79072567
He should take his own advice, then. Maybe then he'd have a job.
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>>79072055
>Post SU reaction pic

>Is a SUfag

How dumb are you!?
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>>79072567
No, he frequently uses Ren & Stimpy as examples of good cartooning.
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>>79068421
Jones' cartoons are pretty cynical, even Feed the Kitty with having MacAnthony cry his eyes out over the cat possibly being dead.

Then of course there's THIS little green asshole...
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>>79057528
Hi John, shouldn't you be animating something?
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>>79071561
I see nothing about John K or Katie Rice in that image, clown. It's just a screenshot of a bad flash game.
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>>79072633
his name was Mark Antony, named after the roman guy
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>>79071561
Where are they?
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>>79072622
Post an example then. People are always lying in these threads because they're too afraid to actually look at his blog.

>>79072607
He does get jobs. More ignorance...
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>>79063711
It's a plight of anyone who aspires to be "profession" about entertainment. They can't just say they liked or disliked something, but it's all that matters. So they invent some barely relevant metric and get caught up in it.
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>>79072764
Hi John.
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>>79072642
>still no sources
Lying-ass motherfucka.
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>>79072798
Shouldn't you be at work, Mr. Krinklydiaper?
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>>79072633

One Frog Evening is one of the greatest cartoon shorts ever made.

But I'm a fan of shorts without any dialog.
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>>79071561
playing devils advocate, because I respect katie and others, but none of them would be recognized like they are today if it wasnt for john.
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>>79072764
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/03/shorts-program-goals-5-let-mistakes.html
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/05/writing-for-cartoons-stimpys-invention.html
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/12/life-sucks-2-sc-4-storyboards-are-for.html
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/04/acting-5-ren-and-stimpy-realistic.html
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/03/writing-for-cartoons-2-skills-you-need.html
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>>79072822
It would be more interesting if you tried refuting his point, your current approach is getting tiresome.
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>>79072789
>>79072822
These accusations have gotten pretty pathetic, don't you think?

>>79072839
Maybe, maybe not. You have people who worked with John yet went into an entirely different direction and got recognized more for that (Charlie Bean on Tron Legacy, for example)

Katie Rice owes some of her skills to John but after APC she started doing very different looking art compared to anything John does.
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>>79072910
Go back to work, Johnny boy.

What point? I haven't been keeping up. I'm just baiting replies from idiots like you. :^)
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>>79053872
I always remember the Stardust Crusaders anime as the Asian Ripping Friends: Big muscly manchildren overreacting.
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>>79072933
Here's your (You).
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>>79072890
Really only this:
>http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/04/acting-5-ren-and-stimpy-realistic.html
Is anywhere close to saying R&S is a good example of cartooning, and even then he's mostly explaining a concept that's he's been trying to figure out.

The other posts are about the process/ keeping traditional practices alive.

Anyways, he doesn't think everything he does in perfect:
>I think the character designs (the drawing "style") are very awkward and many times(as in the examples) not well composed and don't utilize the larger principles of drawing and design.

>I can say the same thing about many many scenes in my cartoons (and I will)-but I'm not relying so heavily on "design" for my entertainment value.

>I will soon also use scenes from my cartoons to show things that don't work.

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/11/ez-pop-little-old-lady-in-shoe-john.html
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What are these rumors about John K. projecting his daddy issues into his cartoons? I remember several father figures in R&S cartoon being incredibly strict and borderline batshit insane, but never figured it could be some kind of projection.
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John K make this kind of shit but talk shit about animaniacs...
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So when is this coming out?
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>>79073166
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/10/happy-birthday-dad.html
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>>79054392
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/02/appeal-1-starting-with-cuteness-as-1st.html

The one above and two below the Finding Nemo image.
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>>79073295
There's a video out there, I'm trying to find it but having no luck, which is pretty much the same as this post. He's reminiscing about his days up at the cottage where his father would insult him to his face and to his friends because he was disgusted by the job he chose for not being 'manly enough', and he'd abuse him and be a total asshole all the time but that's okay because daddy was a real man and PLEASE ACCEPT ME DADDY I LOVE YOU DAD PLEASE

It's equal parts pitiful and disgusting.
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>>79073217
never
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>>79073295
>http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/10/happy-birthday-dad.html

>Grandpa and Grandma came over from the old country (Ruthenia) to escape ignorance, oppression, giant ornery bears and poverty, but carried with them the fear that if you didn't work your fingers to the bone 16 hours a day, you might lose everything you've gained. They were really nice to me. Grandpa kissed me (on the mouth!) every time we met and tried to convert me by scratching my lips off with his stubbly whiskers. I remember the only time he ever scolded me was when I grew long hair.

>He was sitting next to a picture of the greatest hippie (the guy Republicans love and ignore) in history and said: "The Lord meant for women to have long hair and men to have short hair, so I pointed to the picture and said "What about Jesus?" My dad started laughing his butt off "He's got you there Dad! You can't argue with that sonovabitch kid of mine." I could tell Grandpa wanted to make him kneel on rice kernels for 6 hours to punish him for his own back talk.

My fucking sides.
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>>79073295
>>79073448
I thought he was being sarcastic about that...
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>>79073523
He was, they're just being faggots and reading into shit that isn't there.

Of course people who lived through the Great Depression of Canada are going to be tough as nails, that isn't "abuse".
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>>79073748
You do know that every man who has ever said, "My father was tough on me as a child, but it made me better for it" are never actually better for it?

You do know what repression and denial are, right?
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>>79072689
>>79072759
The site is down. Just google Ryan Khatam John K
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>>79073214
Honestly, I think he didn't make her ugly ENOUGH.
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>>79055169
So he's shit and normal?
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why doesnt john just go open his own studio in china or vietnam

he could teach a whole new generation to animate 'the right way', and exploit their low payscales to make himself rich
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>>79074348
because since he has been given lavish deadlines and budgets he has produced utter shit. No one wants to work under John K anymore.
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>>79073217
last days on coney island came out before it. So if you plug in the numbers and add up the formula, probably 1000 years.
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>>79058063
>I play garbage because it's cool
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>>79073855
Where are you getting neglect and repression from those posts?
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>>79074810
So you admit it's cool?
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>>79066768
Katie hates John? I was wondering if something was up since she doesn't seem to be friends with Kali anymore
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>>79075194
She cut off all communication with him a while ago. She even tried changing her art style so that there wouldnt be as much Jhon influence in it. JK must have really been an insufferable creep if Katie decided to fuck off. He's been creepin on her since she was 16.
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>>79075246
she's kind of the best example to never get in contact with your idol/inspiration
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>>79053386
They dated for several years when she was of age.
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>>79073514
George Liquour is real.
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The only thing I despise about Jhon K is that he fucked Katie Rice in her prime before me. Fucking pos. Those baby making hips and ass should have been wrapped around MY dick.
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>>79058330
Lol one off freelance jobs are not steady work. Literally no one will hire him for anything long term and they definitely won't look at his pitches.
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>>79075124
He admits that people like Undertale to be cool, which is true

The "game" itself is shit, in any mode
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>>79075568
>Lol one off freelance jobs are not steady work.
But it's still work, from major studios.

Are you going to give Nick Cross shit for being freelance for most of his career?
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>>79075246
>She cut off all communication with him a while ago. She even tried changing her art style so that there wouldnt be as much Jhon influence in it. JK must have really been an insufferable creep if Katie decided to fuck off. He's been creepin on her since she was 16.

I used to follow her/John/Kali/Marlo online years ago although I guess not as closely as I thought because this thread is the first I'm hearing about this. Majorly creeped out.
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>>79075681
Difference is Nick consistently gets freelance work from more than just "That one executive who used to be a huge fan". He's also extremely sought after from studios and studios will actually listen to him if he wanted to pitch.

John K. does not have those same privileges or prestige.
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>>79075681
No but he's not completely shut out from pitching/getting consistent work, which is what he's after. He's still trying to get a series.
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>>79072828
>One Frog Evening is one of the greatest cartoon shorts ever made

Get lost, Steven Spielberg.
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>>79075864
John K. still pitches to people obviously since they let him do what he wants when he animates for them.
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>>79073514
>He was sitting next to a picture of the greatest hippie (the guy Republicans love and ignore) in history and said: "The Lord meant for women to have long hair and men to have short hair, so I pointed to the picture and said "What about Jesus?" My dad started laughing his butt off "He's got you there Dad! You can't argue with that sonovabitch kid of mine."

;)
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>>79073443
Heh, thanks for finding that. I remember an other instance of John ripping apart Kyle's work on the blog but I can't find it anywhere. Something that had to do with the colors being shit along with them being bad designs.
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He probably won't get a tv series again but he's has multiple chances (Beany and Cecil, Ren and Stimpy, The Ripping Friends, APC)
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The guy's kind of a dinosaur anyway; his grossout humor fetish isn't popular today and he seems to have not mastered digital animation tools.
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This show is literally the best thing he has done so far.
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>>79073443
He's not wrong. Those designs aren't cute.
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>>79073448
Ok so his dad was a typical blue collar WWII generation guy. They were all kind of like that. Well, not my grandfather - he was chill.
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>>79052144
So, what's exactly "sad?" Context?
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>>79076483
Both the animation and the fact that it's been years and this Kickstarter-funded short still isn't finished.
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>>79074155
I think he may be a HYPOCRITE
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>>79052554
reminds me of that alex toth review of whoevers johnny quest comic
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>>79066768
I think it's a case of them still liking his style and what he taught them about drawing and animating and still respecting his talent but just hating him as a person
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>>79055169
Love animaniacs but there were plenty of OLD ass references, like Peter Lorre.
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>>79075604
but also anons say Undertale is shit to be cool
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>>79073514
they dont breed men like that anymore.
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>>79052144
>300 posts later
>Cans Without Labels still isn't finished
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>>79076713
Oh come on, kids LOVE Peter Lorre!
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>>79075942
Not spielberg but I agree.
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>>79076871
I know I do!
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>>79066768

I'm pretty sure the criticism on his blog was the first interaction they had.
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>>79077026
I think they clashed a couple of times beforehand but Kyle was never mentored by John K as has been implied in this thread
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>>79054376
Animaniacs is what happens when you take a bunch of guys who really want to be writing Broadway musicals and force them to work on a children's cartoon.
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>>79076413
I really enjoyed it, I do wish there was more and that an episode hadn't been fucking banned.
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>>79077180
Exactly. Broadway musicals/sketch comedy
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>>79052144
Why does john K. like Liquor when he's such a dull character that really can't fill a main character roll? Whenever I look at him he just feels like a complete side-character.
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>>79077026
Incorrect. They met in person a few times but since John is an asshole, RacoonFrog guy became disillusioned with his idol.
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>>79077375
Projection of his daddy issues.
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>>79077375
John seems to think he can still make George Liquor a popular character.

His fixation with George probably also has to do with daddy issues, since George is heavily influenced by his dad.
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>>79077375
he is perfect as the crazy character that randomly appears in R&S, like old man winter. Honestly when Cans without labels was announced I was happy that john was doing more things but I was also like "seriously? more george?"
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I think the better question to all of this is: what about John K makes all of these animation girls go crazy for him? Remember: they came to him first like a magnet.
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>>79070704
This is what happens when you're talented but too autistic to work with human beings. At least he has this now, I guess.
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>>79077907
They liked his cartoons?

I mean he was fairly attractive at some point, but he's also a weirdo.
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>>79077907
he had power, authority, money

chicks will do anything to attach themselves to that
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It also doesn't help that he's pretty manipulative and he usually gets girls that are new to the industry and want in and know little of his history professional or otherwise
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>>79077907
He's got a certain charisma about him, a moxy, if you will, of not giving a fuck. I was looking at his Twitter feed where he basically calls this woman ugly and drew a better looking caricature of her (then he kind of backhands it by saying in another tweet "Men deserve what God gives them") Also, this: >>79078583


Also, that Treehouse of Horror couch gag he did looked like complete dogshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB03kM8kbHs
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>>79078629
>still a lack of sources
If there were so many girls he tried to get with or sexual harrassed, why haven't any of them said something yet? He has no power in the industry. They could easily ruin him if they wanted to.

Stop spreading hearsay if you have no proof, you troglodyte.
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>>79052144
he's better a thinker than a creator. i agree with pretty much everything he believes, but his animations just turn out shit.
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>>79079318
Hello Jhon nice weather today, eh? Shouldnt you be harassing some young hopeful intern desperate to break into the animation world?
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>>79079318
I never even said he sexually harassed anyone, there's not really anything to "ruin" him over, he's just creepy, not a rapist. He offers to mentor these girls, they end up dating or hooking up with him partially thinking he still has pull in the industry.
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>>79079468
slow down, seasons 1 and 2 of ren and stimpy are godly.
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>>79079541
>he's just creepy
Based on what?

>they end up dating or hooking up with him partially thinking he still has pull in the industry.
The only Spumco girl who has been proven to be with him (besides Lynne Naylor who was his wife before Spumco began) is Kali Fontecchio. And even then we barely have anything besides some off hand comments by Vincent Waller.

You have no proof for anything else.

>>79079491
This bait wasn't worth the effort of typing it, fuccboi.
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>>79080466
>This bait wasn't worth the effort of typing it, fuccboi.
Well, I mean you responded didn't you?
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>>79080937
Getting a response doesn't mean (You) made successful bait.
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>/co/ can't go 2 seconds without talking about the people they dislike
>bleh bleh, he hates everything, he sucks
>goes right back to doing the exact same things they dislike Old Man Kricfalusi for
In the grand scheme of things people don't live and bend towards your outlandish criteria, I'd bet half of you don't have the balls to say this to a person's face. Stop complaining about little everything you little baby faggots and try to enjoy life for once.
John K please
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>>79076802
What, giant fucking weird assholes? You're wrong, there's still plenty of them.
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>>79081451
>I'd bet half of you don't have the balls to say this to a person's face.

Of course I wouldn't say it to his face. I'm not an asshole. Why do you think having balls means being an asshole to washed up old people? What's wrong with you?
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why are the people asking for sources ignoring katie rice's comments >>79055139
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>>79081644
because they are retarded Jhon K fanboys
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>>79055183
>>79055283
Holy fuck. He literally attempted to child-groom her. What the actual fuck? That's way past simple workplace harassment.
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This freak belongs in a trailer park or preferably a morgue. Why are we even talking about him? Do you know how many war victims died in obscurity that were 1000x times the person this piece of shit is?
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>>79052168
No, this is barely tweaked Blinn
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>>79081545
>Why do you think having balls means being an asshole to washed up old people? What's wrong with you?
The fuck are you even on about?

I'm talking about all the greaseball neets that want to talk shit but don't want to pick up a pen, if they put half the effort they do into complaining and critiquing everyone else's work they could make some good cartoons if they tried. If they were serious about making a difference (instead of pretending to know everything) they wouldn't just be dropping worthless drive-by shitposts on /co/, they'd be taking it straight to the source. There are very little well-minded and constructive people here.

The people who know what they're talking about here make this board worth coming back to, and I've been saying this. You know who you are.
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>>79081817
>Why are we even talking about him?
Because he made several episodes of a reasonably popular children's cartoon from the 90's.
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>>79082009
>I'm talking about all the greaseball neets that want to talk shit but don't want to pick up a pen, if they put half the effort they do into complaining and critiquing everyone else's work they could make some good cartoons if they tried. If they were serious about making a difference (instead of pretending to know everything) they wouldn't just be dropping worthless drive-by shitposts on /co/, they'd be taking it straight to the source. There are very little well-minded and constructive people here.

Good job moving the goal post, you little retard. First you say that we should call him a hack and a piece of shit to his face like we do online, which is unnecessary and mean-spirited. Now you claim you meant to say we should make our own cartoons? Those are not even remotely similar demands. There is no way you typed one out while meaning to convey the other. Take your mental illness elsewhere.
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>>79082085
>First you say that we should call him a hack and a piece of shit to his face like we do online, which is unnecessary and mean-spirited.
>unnecessary and mean-spirited
>doing it in first place
Get your priorities in check and go back to fucking tumblr
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>>79082240
What the fuck are you even saying? You think the entire internet should be a hugbox? That every opinion must be directly expressed to a given person at every opportunity in such a fashion as to maximize emotional pain? Are you even human? You have some weird fucking ideas. Maybe you should stop posting here, you twisted little freak.
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>>79082240
>BAWWWWW INTERNET PEOPLE ARE CRITICIZING MY PEDOPHILE GRANDPA MANCRUSH
>I'LL ACT LIKE THIS IS SOMEHOW A CHARACTER FLAW ON THEIR PART
>SURELY THEY WILL STOP

John K is a predatory subhuman and you are a sad bootlicking turd. You are not manly, you are not smart, you are not anything. Stop this, now.
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>>79082323
>>79082390
>tell /co/ they complain about John.K too much
>these are the responses I get
Get some fresh air, nerds
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Reminder that if you reply to bait you're a faggot.
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>>79082500
>say insane retarded bullshit
>get mocked and insulted

Poor baby! Everyone is playing a tiny violin for your stupid ass right now.
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>>79082545
Oh yeah, those /tv/-level insults hurled at that anon sure showed him!

Gotta love how angry this place gets over one person.
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>>79081644
>https://twitter.com/katiejrice/status/429920296926056449
Making inappropriate jokes about sex (like he does for everything else) makes him a sexual assaulter?
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>>79082545
Is it because I don't see the appeal of ragging on him or is it because I don't want to be a part of the echo chamber that is /neo/-co? You can hop on your soapbox, twist whatever you want, and go for being morally superior than me, that's fine

But am I supposed to be enraged that John K is a coozhound and takes forever? I guess that makes everything he's ever done objectively garbage. Big fucking deal. How is me expressing my displeasure of the incessant whining about an old white guy wanting this place to be a hugbox? I guess I should have known better than to criticize your favorite hobby, complaining.

Your vitriol and anger shows it all
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>>79052144
What's really sad that despite all of this thread's bitching, John K does exactly what /co/ should be doing.

Leveling honest, well-informed criticism against grown-up professional animators who make poor products despite knowing better.

Instead, /co/ bitches about what some mentally handicapped 12 year old said on tumblr because the have different political opinions.
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>>79083299
>What's really sad that despite all of this thread's bitching, John K does exactly what /co/ should be doing.
>Leveling honest, well-informed criticism against grown-up professional animators who make poor products despite knowing better.
Does he even do that anymore?

I think you meant to say working, you know, the thing /co/ doesn't do because underage b&
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>>79053252
>katie rice
Should I know who that is?
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>>79083421
One of John K's pump and dump protoges

was storyboard on a few Nick shows, and was on Dummcomics, people here have a thing for her
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what does John K. Think of Mike Judge?

does he just shit on everybody who doesn't know "proper cartoon theory" or is he just cynical that he isn't big in the industry anymore?
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>>79083421
She draws herself with a huge ass
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>>79084196
He really likes Mike Judge and is working on a project with him right now
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>>79054109
>Dept.
is this mad? holy shit they've gotten tame
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>>79084316
see I find that really strange, why does John K like mike judge?
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>>79084292
I wanted to fuck Katie so fucking hard god damn.
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>>79084346
R Crumb's Weirdo. Apparently the issue with this is from 1983.
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>>79084358
from what I can tell he likes his humor. he was like "you can tell when a scene from KOTH isnt by mike judge" in one of his blogspot posts
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>>79057716
>Not the words of an industry professional.

John K hasn't really been what you call call an "industry professional" for about two (2) decades. And even before that, the "professional" part was debatable.
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I'm always surprised at how successful Bruce Timm turned out to be despite John K's tutelage.
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>>79084506
If you get paid for a job, you're a professional by definition.
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>>79084591
A professional is someone who is paid to do a job. If you take the money and don't do the job, it just makes you a thief.
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>>79084556
Nearly all of John's "students" are more successful than he is now. Reccardi, Springer, Rice, Cross, Weise, Marlo, Fontecchio, Robertryan Cory, Brandon Graham, Rebecca Sugar, etc
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>>79076883

I also agree
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>>79084591

That's some pretty tortured logic, dude.

So if a kid makes a shitty flash cartoon for a college website and they cut him $50 for it, he's a "professional" and has connections with famous top animators? Come on son.

For reference, Ren and Stimpy ENDED in 1995. 20 years ago.
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>it's a "John K is butthurt because Spielberg's side project was more successful and beloved than his entire body of work" thread
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>>79084685
>For reference, Ren and Stimpy ENDED in 1995.

And John K got canned from it in '93.
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I really just wish John would make more stuff like pic related.
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>>79084718
It still tickles me pink that Chunk Mangione is a real person.
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John K is a man who poorly adapts to new technologies

His flash animation in recent years is fucking garbo
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>>79084780
Why do you want to jerk it to the imaginings of a creepy old man?
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>>79084556
>I'm always surprised at how successful Bruce Timm turned out to be despite John K's tutelage.
Bruce was under more than John's wing. Alex Toth comes to mind. Also, Bruce isn't fucking autistic.

Here's Bruce's actual style before he started copying men's magazine cartoonists.
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>John K hates Japanese animators
He's worthless.
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>>79084780
So like Chris Sanders, but shit?
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>>79084877
bingo
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>>79084292
Isn't she a Buttugly semi-hairless squat when not in cartoon form?
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>>79084824
it's better than ugly flash animation and 9000 blog posts about the production process. it's not as though i enjoy it BECAUSE he drew them, but the guy can draw cute girls.

whatever, it's his life.
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>TFW backed 75$ to Cans

No regrets
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>>79052144
George Liquor was never funny. Johnny Kak will never realize this because it's his favorite creation.
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>>79052706
I don't care for him because he isn't funny, left on his own. He can do art. He can't really do humor. The only thing that made Ren and Stimpy funny was that network censors kept him in line. It was an adult cartoon masquerading as a kids show. But thanks to Spike, we know without restraint it just ain't funny.
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>>79085119
Of course you did retard
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>>79084837
Damn, Mad Magazine touched a lot of people.
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>>79071584
"I hate sand"
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>>79085221
>He can't really do humor
"he's a guy who's literally all thumbs!"
"in this show, the main character is the antagonist!"

It's true, he has this doglike sense of what the OUTLINE of humor looks like and can occasionally throw a dark inside the outline, but really doesn't understand the concept itself.
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>>79068421
he's pissed off that Jones disregarded previous styles and created his own.

And this is coming from someone who doesn't much care for Jones myself, but I don't infer motive from linework like John seems to believe he can.
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>>79085398
*throw a dart
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>>79085398

Anyone have that pitch for the thumb guy show he wanted to do? It was awful and hilarious.
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>>79085523
this? Let me look
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>>79085398
He's one of those people who should never be given all the say. But he has such strong opinions, it's pretty much the only way he'll do anything at all. In the end a lot of people just have to throw him away, because the good is too overwhelmed by the shit.
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obligatory post
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>>79085547

Oh my god, that had to be a weird joke.
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>>79085547
>>79085523
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Wally%20Man

>>79085559
>But he has such strong opinions
People should have strong opinions. They should also occasionally be punched in the mouth hard, like Bill Kane got.

>>79085607
thanks for finding it first. This is John's creative bankruptcy application.
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>>79085547
>mfw
Right. And Animaniacs are the fakers...
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Did anyone read Sick Little Monkeys? Goddamn did I enjoy how the author tore apart Adult Party Cartoon. It was a total disaster in every regard, and hearing everything about it's failure was interesting. The original R&S was my favorite cartoon of all time, and APC was beyond disappointing.
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>>79085640
>People should have strong opinions.
Not to the point where they discard all outside opinions. Otherwise you end up with something that is only funny to the man who created it. I have no idea who else George Liquor could even be for.

I don't think a punch would be enough to make John K. come around, frankly.
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>>79085012
She looks okay
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>>79085607
> crapface the duck
> crabby the duck
> kaspar the totally not stimpy

They're not cartoons of identifiable types or personalities, they're colored space fillers. And these were legitimately going to be his stable, in his imagination that is.

> but you don't understand, according to my theories on cartoons these are proven successes!

Someone put him out of our misery
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>>79085607
rejected_pokemon_ideas.png
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>>79085119
regrets are for your parents
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>>79085710
Cute head on midget samsquanch body.
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>>79085710
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>>79084556
its because John K is a spaz, it kinda proves that in order to make it anywhere you have to be really fucking talented to the point where it doesn't matter how much of a dick you are.
or you just generally not be an asshole to everyone, and you have normal talent.
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>>79085754
You forgot Dimblub Duck.
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>>79085607
the he-hog pilot was actually funny though
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>>79085832
The panel I attended said there are 3 things that count:
– reliability
– talent
– getting along e.g. making it work no matter what

You can at best shit the bed on one of those 3 qualities, and it can't be reliability.

Johnny boy shat the bed on reliability AND getting along. At that point his talent became a liability.
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>>79085710
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>>79085838
>do you even lift?
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>>79085710
the hilarious part is she's not making normal faces and is intentionally mimicking drawings she's looking at, which is defeating the purpose of the exercise.
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>>79085607
I'm not sure I can imagine watching a cartoon about a single one of those. Well, watching and enjoying anyways.
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>>79086057
> tonight *I* assrape *you*, daddy
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>>79085951
his talent has also been pretty questionable for the past 20 years
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Current John is too obsessed with following his theories. He cares more about his crazy principles than he does just trying to be entertaining.
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>>79086117
Like John Byrne and Bruce Timm, he wears the torture he endured under other artists as some kind of merit badge that means he is never wrong about anything.

>>79086140
also this.
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>>79054211
7/10, would smell her stinky socks
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>>79086191
>>>/tv/
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>>79054211
Since Newgrounds became a thing, there's really nothing left John can do to take the piss out of something better than 16 year olds already have.
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>>79073214

Looks like something that'd happen in a shitty Junji Ito story.
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Anyone famous or half famous has ever defend this massive cunt?
I just saw a gigantic reply of one of his blog posts filled with cock sucking.

"I can not believe that there is not one producer on the face of the earth with enough sense to give you your head and let you do without interference what you do best which is to make brilliant films.

If one ever does come along your fertile mind will make that person rich beyond the wildest dreams of avarice.

As far as I am concerned, if there is a future for the medium of animated films, YOU ARE IT."

Wow...
Any kind of retard can have fans.
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>>79086365
I'm not sure why, but John K has a surprisingly rabid cult of personality.
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>>79085607
>dj eric

Also, the unfired bullet in Kaspar's back Wtf? The bullet is still in the shell with the fucking primer and everything... is it glued to his back?
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>>79086566
given the average size of a bear, that might actually be an artillery round
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>>79086566
I wan't /k/ to fucking stay.
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>>79086365
>Anyone famous or half famous has ever defend this massive cunt?
In the industry? Yeah there's been several. For a recent example, you have the Steven Universe crew using his "a character should look different every-time you draw them" philosophy.

>Any kind of retard can have fans.
I'm guessing he's "retarded" to you because you don't understand him. You read /co/'s opinions and don't form your own by reading his posts.
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>arguing about cartoons for kids
autism
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>>79085607
What hurts the most is the lack of character in these drawings. There's a handful that do look like they're actual characters that have some kind of personality to them (and I'm not counting all of the "DURR I'M A WACKY MORON" ones) but a majority of these look like crap he just drew in five minutes with no clear idea of what he was even going for. A lot of what's on display here is the kind of shit a professional character designer would rip into if it was shown to them.
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>>79086713
No, I read his coworkers opinions and his own rants and see how he acts.
He's mentally sick and that is completely clear. Which wouldn't be a problem if he got treatment instead of trying to drag everyone to the ground with him.
I wonder what kind of sanctimonious things he could have posted on his blog that would nullify all his other actions.
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>>79060908
Was it with this image?

I made this years ago and it was a guaranteed 200+ reply topic every time
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>>79072055
how do you miss an anakin/sand reference you fucking twit
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>>79087057
Even knowing without a doubt that this is bait, and no one is saying it is serious, I still want to take that bait.

Fuck.
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>>79087235
You've got to learn to chill down anon

Just mellow out
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So I guess that's never being released, huh?
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>>79085607
This is genuinely some of the worst character design I've ever seen.
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>>79085607
>DJ Eric
the cringe is real
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>buying cans with no labels and eating whatever is inside it

Do Canadians really do this?
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>25 years later
>John STILL thinks he can make George Liquor catch on
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>>79084316
>working on a project with him right now
Sauce or BS.
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>>79088396
source is John K's booze-addled imagination
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>>79078699

Why do I keep reading Youtube comments
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>>79078699
>>79088513
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>>79088550
holy shit
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>>79088550
KEK
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>>79088550
This has no rubber hose or pear and sphere in it. This is some deranged interpretation of UPA/Hanna Barbera.

People who don't understand John K's criticism are the ones who hate it.

And yeah, Animaniacs is animated like shit. inb4 TMS shill.
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I shouldn't care but I'm honestly pretty curious on how John feels about the new Mickey Mouse shorts
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John K is literally the best animator currently working.

The people that hate him are the same ones that sit around /co/ complaining about how everything is 3D now while jerking off to Frozen incest porn.
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>>79087235
But that image is 100% correct. Trash like Adventure Time and Steven Universe has destroyed western animation.
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>>79088777
>>79088806
>>79088832
Shouldn't you be working on Cans Without Labels instead of shitposting on /co/, John?
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>>79088806
>the best animator
who is glen keane
who is chris sanders
who is genndy tartakovsky
who is bob jaques even

tons of animators are better than john k but few do psychodrama better than him.
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>>79086412
As evident by this thread, also a surprisingly rabid cult of animosity.
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>>79088852
And shouldn't /co/ be posting about female thor on its tumblr instead of trying to tear down the pioneer of western animation?
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>>79085607
Only a couple of those are even slightly useable.
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>>79088855
>glen keane
>makes 3D flicks

>chris sanders
>makes 3D flicks

>tartakovsky
>takes zero stylistic risks

>jaques
>learned animation at the feet of John K

Yeah, no.
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>>79088931
literally nothing you said is true
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>>79088953
>Rapunzel
>How to Train your Dragon
>not 3D flicks

>jaques
>didn't get on the map for working on Ren and Stimpy

Name something he did before Ren and Stimpy that was any good. I'll wait.
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post porn here
>>>/aco/326196
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>>79088893
>John K
>the pioneer of western animation

...said literally no one ever.
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>>79082009
>I'm talking about all the greaseball neets that want to talk shit but don't want to pick up a pen
John Kickfootball please go. Just like how you don't have to make a movie to criticize it, I don't have to be animator to point out a sleazeball hack who pretends like he's the god of animation.
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>It's a John Kricfalusi hate thread on /co/mblr.
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>>79088979
Mighty Mouse.
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>>79052144
Is that fucking Skub?
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>>79089024
its a lot better than most threads discussing nu-cartoons
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>>79089024
How to did you get a picture of me?
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>>79089038
"is not good" better be the ending of that statement
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>>79089063
Anti-Skub fags go and stay go
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>>79089024
Don't blame us, John K's blog already cornered the market on sucking John K's dick.
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>>79089088
>Condoning Skub
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>>79073214
To be fair that is a fairly accurate rendition of Miley Cyrus
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>>79089321
I'm no pop culture expert, but I'm fairly certain Miley Cyrus does not have anuses instead of pupils.
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>>79073214
>those hands
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>>79089386
Have you even seen her?
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>>79085607
I'm struggling to see how he could have possibly, ever fucking thought that these designs would be acceptable for TV. This is the kind of thing you shit out in five minutes as a warm-up before you start doing real work, it's not acceptable to actually present that. I'm struggling to imagine, for example, a TV show staring "Fump", "Ralph", "Pablo" and "Waxy" and it's making my brain hurt. It's just not fucking doable.

But then apparently he thinks this is a catchy, funny catchphrase;
>“Why won’t you die tho I can get on wiff my pwogwam? Die fathter!”
So I don't even know anymore. He must be suffering from some kind of degenerative brain rot.
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>>79086713
>For a recent example, you have the Steven Universe crew using his "a character should look different every-time you draw them" philosophy.
That's not a philosophy that strictly belongs to him, nor do I believe Ian JQ's statement even relates to him at all.
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>>79089662
Considering Sugar often asked John K to critique her work and he posted her early studies on his blog, it's not far off saying she adopted that thought process because of him.
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>>79089798
So someone in the industry, working on a terrible low-budget cartoon that looks like ass, may or may not have adopted a fairly universal artistic concept due to John K's advocacy of it.
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>>79070704
>https://vimeo.com/92366134

You know, this is actually pretty awesome...
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>>79053326
why is there no porn
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>>79072633
I don't know why, but when I see this picture I smile.
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>>79059052
This.
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>>79090201
>I don't want to understand things I just want to be a dumb nigger who argues constantly with people.

Ok.
Little teen Sucrose getting advice from an artist she admired is definitely going to stick with her into adulthood. I'd be willing to bet that philosophy stuck with her because she read it on John K's blog and then kept an eye out for it later on as she studied cartoons.
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>>79090354
>I'd be willing to bet that philosophy stuck with her because she read it on John K's blog and then kept an eye out for it later on as she studied cartoons.

Is this really a safe assumption? Besides, she doesn't apply the philosophy in any way that John K would consider right and proper.
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>>79087057
Idiots always blame stuff like adventure time for causing the downfall of western animation, but really it was shit like Powerpuff Girls, Flapjack, Chowder, and Foster's.

No, I'm not baiting. I'm dead fucking serious.
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>>79090512
Why is Flapjack on your list? It had far more detailed and expressive animation than the other three.
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>>79090591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ucwHW7Qj8
No.
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I liked John K. Emphasis on past-tense. I think he's just lost it at this point, and we should appreciate what he already did right, instead of overanalyzing his descent into madness.
>>79088893
>the pioneer of western animation
>implying any of the guys from the 30's and 40's are still breathing
The draftsmanship in early Popeye makes most feature films look like turds. They used fuzzy math and basic geometry to make stuff rotate in 3D space when it had to, without just having machines do it for them. It was hard, it was expensive, but the outcome was usually almost too good to be real. Watch the girder-climbing scene in "Night Walking" for a good example of 3D drafting and background painting.
Also, the old Merrie Melodies shorts by Leon Schlesinger and Tex Avery are pure gold ("Hamateur Night", "I Love To Singa".)
>>79088550
To tell the truth, I'd actually like Homer's design if his skin was a shade of yellow. Don't do things differently for no reason, that's not what makes something original or inspired.
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>>79086191
you said it brother
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>>79052554
lol, people consider him a hack because of some stuff he said on his blog. It's funny, because if a person had ever heard him speak before that point, they wouldn't have been surprised. Who would have thought the creator of Ren & Stimpy would have extreme views on something?
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>>79052554
Anyone have the old mspaint comic someone made which depicted a random unshaven man thinking this while toting guns to the WB backlot?
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>>79091296
your work being 1:1 of how you think is a sign of creative bankruptcy.
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>>79080466
Found the sycophant!
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>>79091526
>>79085674
Can vouch for the fact that he is legit infamous for using sockpuppets and anonymous accounts to defend himself on the internet. Wouldn't be surprised if he was some of the more defensive replies in this thread actually, lmfao.
>>79090354
>Little teen Sucrose getting advice from an artist she admired is definitely going to stick with her into adulthood. I'd be willing to bet that philosophy stuck with her because she read it on John K's blog and then kept an eye out for it later on as she studied cartoons.
PROOF?????
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>>79052554
He's right though. Animaniacs fucking sucks.
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>>79090633
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ucwHW7Qj8

Yes. The main characters are featureless most of the time but there are frequent detailed exaggerations and the side characters are far more detailed than the other shows you mentioned.
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>>79091695
I don't like it but some of his criticisms seem way off-base. Like complaining that they combine two old styles instead of aping one exclusively, or that their designs are "cluttered". How the fuck are they cluttered? They're not anything I'd call good, but they're not cluttered.
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>>79091664
>Can vouch
>anonymous

Every post in this thread that doesn't have a newspaper article, police report, notarized private investigator report, or some sort of credible documentation, is most likely made up.

>John K sleeps with all his assistants!
>No John K only woos them and strikes out!
>He's working with Mike Judge!
>No he's not working with Mike Judge!
>He molested girls!
>No he didn't molest girls!

I can vouch that all of the above is true.
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>>79091987
See you didn't understand the criticism. It's not that they combined the two styles, it's that they fucked up both styles.
He's saying the animators animating that show don't understand animation.
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>>79092047
>See you didn't understand the criticism. It's not that they combined the two styles, it's that they fucked up both styles.

Then why did he write in his complaint that his complaint was that they combined both styles?
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>>79092016
>newspaper articles/police reports on some washed up cartoonist defending himself on other people's blogs/forums

Wow John, this is incredibly spergy even for you. Go finish Cans.
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>>79084292
That's probably just some cartoonish stuff because drawing asses like that is funny and cartoonish, don't whip your dick out yet.
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>>79092016
Please prove you're not John K. A birth certificate or state ID will suffice!
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>>79092055
You're reading half a sentence.

>It sure is dark outside when it's nighttime
>BUT IT'S DAYTIME!

The second part of the sentence elaborates on the first part.
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>>79092942
I can't you moron.
That's exactly my point.

Everybody in this thread can't prove shit and they're just making stuff up.
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>>79076214
>all that passages from Matthew
Matthew knew as much about Jesus as any redneck knows today. Motherfucker lived two centuries after Jesus have died.
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>>79093041
He probably knew less.
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>>79093003
>ignoring the twitter link posted in the thread by Katie herself exposing what a fucking creep Jhon is
>not looking up the other testimonies made by people that worked under him
Are you trolling right now are you really that retarded.
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>>79093041
>>79093056

Mathew even brings up the dead coming back to life at Jesus' crucifixion.

>And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. 52The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;

But of the books, Paul is the worst offender. He embellished because he had an agenda.
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>>79093003
Ok John, whatever you say (:
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>>79085607
>SCREW YOU DAD, I'M A HALF COW HALF UDDER DEMON GOD NOW

also, he can literally only draw one type of female
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At least John K. was smart enough to recognize anime has better character construction and color design than modern cartoons tbqfh families
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>>79055169
>hebephile
Enough with this meme. Half of them look legal anyways.
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>>79093575
Child grooming a 15 year old girl isn't hebephilia?
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>>79093625
This is bullshit, he didn't "groom" anyone. Again, no sources or proof.
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>>79093625
If a child is mature enough to groom a 15 year old, he can fuck whomever he wants.
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>>79093575
Katie was SIXTEEN years old when John started making moves on her. Even then, he was preparing her to be his personal fuck toy and that is pretty fucking illegal.
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Why oh why did Katie get fat? There is nothing more I want in the world than to slide my cock between her leg meat and throw her on the desk and fuck her raw.
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>>79093676
Well, not really illegal. There's no law against worming your way into a teenage girl's life inappropriately. More like creepy as fuck and immoral.
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>>79093656
A middle aged man trying to woo a mid teen is pretty suspect my man... If she was 17ish it'd be a little more okay but not by much considering he was born in 1955.
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>>79093697
There's a law against being creepy as fuck and immoral in Mega-City One. If a Psi-Corps member catches him with intentions of grooming a high schooler with self esteem issues into a Taiwanese no limits sex doll, then he's gonna spend some time in the iso cubes.
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>>79093729
Again, without proof you're lying and jealous that John has far more of a career than you useless autists will ever have. Hearsay means shit. Faggots.
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>>79093694
She lost some weight dude, but not like it matters. Shes engaged with another guy she seems to be crazy about so a neckbeard like you has zero chance.And why would you want John's used goods any way?
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>>79093823
Shes like the perfect girl. She's cute, funny, likes comics and is a great artist. Also she's got an ass that won't quit.
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>look up pictures of Katie Rice since /co/ is obsessed with her and and claim she has the most voluptuous back side
>literally just an meh tier ass
You white people don't know what real ass meat looks like.
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>>79093817
Eh it's hard to get proof of the creepy sex uncle part since Katie Rice deleted her post about it off her blog. You can't use wayback to find it either, even then her post from 2009 was only her side so it's still just hearsay. Still these guys got details wrong, he didn't make moves on her until later he just met her at 16.
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>>79093887
It's a joke based on a drawing of herself.
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>>79085607
>tfw you're a better artist than John K
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>>79093998
but can you draw waifus?
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>>79093998
Not hard to do pham
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people keep making a big deal of john k's harem

but i saw the work of his male students/fans and i think kyle was the best
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>>79093817
Even if it's not entirely true, your reputation can be ruined by lies born of your poor behavior, lack of professionalism, and the way you spit vitriol, John. No one likes a jerk and you're a jerk.
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>>79094105
I'm not John.
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>>79093909
She actually made a post about it? Wow.
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>>79094115
;-)
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>>79093909
Interesting how only you seem to know this and your only proof has been deleted.

Did Sick Little Monkeys eveb hint at stuff like that a littlr bit? That was the same book that said Ralph Bakshi has bad aim when shitting on the toilet.
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>>79093697
Scrapper? Did you decide to ditch the trip? Good for you.
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>>79094138
Yeah it was less about him and more about a friend of hers who he was dating. I think it was something about him making advances on her despite that, and her friend not helping her when she said she was uncomfortable with him coming onto her. It's been forever since I read it and you can't wayback her blogspot so I can't really post anything here.
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