At least he's got a Can-do atttitude. Don't be quick to label the guy.
This is the initial injury that began /co/'s hatred for John K. This blog post.
The things he's saying aren't exactly proportionate to the hate he has for it. Plus his style is very polarizing so to people who don't like his style he comes off as a weenie who doesn't know what he's talking about. At this point he's yelling at clouds.
Yes, that's all it is Anon. Nothing to do with the fact he's a lazy fuck who manages to piss off and alienate everyone he works with to the extent that he can't do the thing he claims to love doing and care about so much, making cartoons.
I'd love nothing more than to see John K. produce good cartoons again. But he isn't doing that. He's complaining about other people's cartoons while occasionally putting the odd couple of hours on this shitty student film about his daddy issues.
I don't hate John K. All I feel is disappointment.
/co/ hates John K because he's a massive faggot with a god complex who thinks he's the singular authority on everything about cartoons because he made Ren and Stimpy.
I don't even disagree with what he's saying, but he conveys himself so artlessly and is constantly vaguely implying that they should all be copying what he did and that anyone attempting anything else is a corporate hack.
Good ole John Krispyfuselage does it again!
Both in the Cans mock up and in his recent Simpsons intro, he uses the most stock textures, lighting and shading techniques that make it look like it's straight out of a sophomore graphic artist's portfolio. He also makes no attempt to make either the 3D bend to the 2D or the 2D bend to the 3D. Even if he was intentionally highlighting the juxtaposition of the realistic shading effects and completely stiff geometry of the 3D with his flat-shaded extremely absurd 2D style, he could put more effort into making the former look professional.
You can have extremely different animation styles in the same world without them looking like one layer is pasted on top of the other. Look at Gumball.
The irony in this has actual mass
These threads always talk about Katie Rice and Kali Can'tspellio but there are dozens of other girls that John K "took under his patronage"
And frankly, fucking girls a third my age when I'm 60 is a life goal of mine.
>These threads always talk about Katie Rice and Kali Can'tspellio but there are dozens of other girls that John K "took under his patronage"
Well those are the ones who went on to do something other than crawl up into the fetal position and sob in the shower.
Well, good for them.
But the dirt will never come off.
I guess we could talk about Robin Byrd, or however she spelled that. She was the straw that broke Spumco's back. He shoe horned her into the Ripping Friend's production something fierce. All of his crew that were true peers and made up for his short comings called it quits after.
hes well known for TRYING to fuck them, but not managing to.
Like literally all the girls he works with he ends up "falling in love with" and tries for months to get them to drop their boyfriends for him while they try to remind him they are not into him.
Hes known for then making "grand" romantic gestures to try to woo them and thats around the time they just cut ties. Happens with pretty much every girl that worked with him. Hes fucking desperate for teenage pussy and he never gets it, its hilarious.
Its better than most give it credit but yeah, he really phoned it in. The Canadian animators have some stories. Shit like John coming up with all the reference materials weeks into production. The crews would have to do with very little and would try to figure it out from Ren and Stimpy. Johnny got mad that they would not meet his expectations of what stuff should look like. Some of John's constructive criticism would be that the clouds looked like turds.
no, he's really not.
He's the most well known beta small time celebrity of them all, he tries to pose as someone that will mentor them and then tries to et into their pants, and he fails horribly, repeateadly.
Maybe a couple of them threw him pity fucks, but what he's known for is failing at getting those girls and beta orbit them for ages trying to prove himself.
let that sink in, you meet a cartoonist you think is great, you shake his hand as you and your girlfriend are awed to meet someone that shaped your childhood, and then he proceeds to stalk your girlfriend while posting on his blog about how much of a shithead her boyfriend is.
And the dude actually thinks this will give him more of a chance with your girl.
Bill Wray inked it for him, that helped a lot.
Literally every reference to this credits John, even Wiki. He'd deny it if he hadn't.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/37049771?q&versionId=48121826 this is a catalog record of a book of John's work.
>She always talks about how much of creep he is, but I want details god damn it.
I mean yeah john is a creep but he is a creep to everyone. Do you have any sources that point to her being harassed?
theres a post somewhere where she is narrating about a video where she is with him and she keeps going on about how she cannot really describe what was happening behind the scenes but she had her skin crawling everytime he touched her shoulders while smiling in the video
try 90's pop culture references.
The references are dated but the slapstick and non-referential humor still holds up pretty ok.
John K is just a talentless fuckstick aping more successful cartoonists while shitting on everything else that isn't him. He's shit, and an hebephile.
Probably 1999 through early 2000s. She's in the credits for Ripping Friends, Boo Runs Wild and probably a few other things. John was dating her. She knew jackshit about writing or drawing. I think she was riding the bologna pony so John makes her be part of everything being worked on at the time, especially the writing to the chagrin of all those who had been with John for a long time, the bigger names in the credits, those who kept John on the rails or filled in where he left off. She was his Yoko whether it was her fault or his I don't know. Eventually it just drove off all the people who kept him going in the right direction. Spumco became inhabited for the most part by his fans fresh out of art school. These youngsters followed him blindly because they thought he new best. Eventually he drifted from Spumco, moving to Canada for a long time, leaving folks adrift out in Spumco, leaving them to do all the work and him putting his name on it. Its why the Jetson's stuff was so bad. A lot of it was a young Gabe Swarr. John really hates the Jetson's stuff. In a chatroom I was in that he stopped by he called the kids working there fags. Very dickish of him. Eventually I guess projects dried up as did paychecks for his loyal workers. You pay months late and eventually blind followers drift away. Eventually Spumco in North Hollywood California closed down. The location is now a weed dispensary.
he probably showed up with flowers and chocolate and tried to get her to move in with him and be his cute sweetheart
seriously im imagining chris chan with a bit less of a disorder
Holy shit, that story was great.
>I have so many stories that I think I will spread them out for a bit.
Apparently Johnny boy didn't think to put them all under one tag. Can someone post the rest?
"I don't know if modern-day furries even realize it, but this whole movement grew out of Disney fan art from the 1970s. Nerdy kids who loved Lady and the Tramp and Bambi and wished they could draw as well as Disney animators. They took the squirrel-mask face style, drew it poorly and stuck it on top of human proportioned bodies and then had nasty things happen.
Who ever thought this would grow into a full blown cult?
In the last 15 years or so, furry style has in turn influenced mainstream "decent" animation."
The commentary really isn't necessary. You can see the tension etched into every line on her face while John K crones about how she drew all the nipples on his sexy girls while he caresses her shoulders.
Later on he has another girl sit at his feet like a dog while he talks about her confiding in him that she got horny when she was pregnant.
> Putting big sparkly eyes on male characters makes them look pretty gay, and I don't understand the appeal of that.
It's because the big eyes make the male characters look homosexual.
My favorite part:
>So I told him how I used to draw his characters all the time when I was a kid and that I loved this style and always wanted to do it. I had begged Bob Singer to let me work on it but he kept telling me I was drawing too flat so he wouldn't show you."
>I went on, like an idiot to tell him I hated Scooby Doo and all modern cartoons, and Joe said "Me too kid. I've never understood why the networks keep ordering more episodes of it. What is there to it? A big dumb dog and some teenagers. Every show is the same Goddamn story! It doesn't make sense to me but they can have it as long they want it."
Amazing to see that he admitted he didn't like the show.
>Apparently Johnny boy didn't think to put them all under one tag. Can someone post the rest?
I think that was the only one he did.
Does this nigga think humans having a fetish for animals started around the time he was growing up?
Does he actually think the Earth didn't start spinning until he was born?
Fucking Preston Blair and the Disney Afternoon ruined it for me as an animator.
Now all my human characters have those proportions as an easy go to.
It's why I admire people like John though, because shitty as his style is, it's still something, just different enough to stand out, for better or worse. It's good he inspired a new breed at least. Like Kyle and Katie.
Those are some nice sources you got there, fuccboi.
This reads like the rantings of some angry middle aged nerd that reviews random cartoons in a basement. Not the words of an industry professional.
Why does he give a fuck, or assume anyone else could give a fuck? It's a damn show for kids not super serious analysts that take their deep knowledge of animation history with them every time they turn on the tv.
Except we do it anonymously with no risk to our reputation and some of us shitpost for giggles or stress relief. At the end of the day, we're here to waste our free time and can go on living in the morning. He's stewing in his anger and rage every day and people know him for it and the only ones who will give him a chance now are die hard fans who still believe in his "vision".
>w-who gives a fuck??
>getting anally flustered over his opinions
I guess you do.
Anyways that screencap is in context between what he finds appealing and what he doesn't. I don't think any reasonable human being would have a problem with the things he says look ugly to him (pic related)
Yes but he also said that Delgo is unappealing as if that really needed a fucking blog post to tell us why. He basically jumps between horrendously bad designs that weren't even really relevant at the time of him making those posts and then shit like Gerald McBoing Boing as if they deserve to be clumped together.
It would be like if I posted why modern day CG animation sucks by using Reboot as an example.
Basically, his examples could be better. They don't need to be outdated or on the extreme shitty end of the spectrum. He cherry picks to prove his point, then goes on the other end by just saying things that are flat out wrong. "Kids wouldn't like McBoing Boing designs"? Because he kids thinks are having gigglefits over his shitty art? What the fuck.
He's probably right. The guy knows his shit when it comes to the technical aspects of animation. Even if his art and skills have eroded over the years, I think his problem is that he has a little too much knowledge on the subject. Look at how he picks Animaniacs apart for mixing the 30s and 40s style and doing it wrong. Next to nobody would notice that, and I'm sure that nobody but him really gives a shit. And yet he keeps screaming at the wind, like an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. Do I hate him? No, I don't. I even think that everyone could learn a thing or two with him about animation or just cartoons in general. I just think he's an idiot and a dick.
>I don;t really give a shit at all but Imma get real mad about my not giving a shit
>He angers me sooo much
>but I really don't care
>This is me not giving a shit at all
>But I hate him so much
Yea anon, John K is the one with a problem.........must be everyone else huh?
First it's he's doesn't like anything older than 1970, now it's he hate anything that isn't his work...
This board has a lot of irrational hatred.
>Yes but he also said that Delgo is unappealing as if that really needed a fucking blog post to tell us why
It actually did to contrast it against all his posts about Disney principles and why certain contrasts in character design are more appealing than others.
> and then shit like Gerald McBoing Boing as if they deserve to be clumped together
He was calling Gerald McBoing Boing appealing. Learn to read.
>It would be like if I posted why modern day CG animation sucks by using Reboot as an example.
It has nothing to do with "modern day" and more what sucks and what doesn't.
> Because he kids thinks are having gigglefits over his shitty art?
Well yeah, Ren and Stimpy was the Spongebob of it's time.
>He was calling Gerald McBoing Boing appealing. Learn to read.
Reading means nothing if you can't comprehend.
>This is appealing to other designers.
>Big eyes, all the shapes are distinct; lots of contrasts in the sizes and shapes, good composition, happy looking.
>In theory this is very professional and appealing, but I can't see it appealing to kids, because it looks too simple and it's not entertaining.
>A kid might think "Heck, I can draw that good." and the designs don't indicate that the characters have any personality-they are well designed graphic symbols.
Just because he plainly says "This is appealing" doesn't mean he means it. He goes on to say how they're bland and only appeals to artists, not to children, so in relation that means it's a failure since the product was intended for a kid audience. He also implies how cartooning should be judged by how complex it is to do. The simpler it is = The less impressive it is because kids will just think, "Heck I can do that!".
But since this is the same guy who over animates a limb by having it move 50 times in a second, I assume he doesn't understand how long of a way "less is more" can go.
He basically said Gerald is appealing but not good, which is just a roundabout way of saying this is my example of bad design.
Wasn't another injury is that a John K fanboy started fights in Adventure Time threads for like a year or more? Always going on about how new toons suck and John K is our savior.
I'm sure that's another reason a portion of /co/ hates the guy, his fans used to always derail threads with arguments.
>It's a cynical caricature of sappy cuteness. Everything about Jones -even at his best - comes off as cynical to me, like he doesn't have any love or respect of life or humanity. He is super skilled, but needs to be surrounded by other more light hearted cartoonists to influence him to be less cynical.
Oh, John, you card.
honest opinion here
dude is a BRILLIANT caricaturist but i wish he would be paired with a more competent writer / editor. the dude needs someone to help him write compelling stories and to keep his excesses in control. it can't ALL just be exaggeration.
George Liquor and the Ripping Friends are two of my favorite things and that's without the writing being all that hot. the caricaturing is just that damn good.
also, his criticisms are dead right.
i fully support john k if that means he finally gets off his ass and takes the act of creating more seriously. i still love his stuff but i just wish it were... more.
See, I can understand giving criticisms and having opinions over what you don't like. What bothers me is how he vaguely seems to imply that everything should be done the way HE does it, especially when his own style is so out there that people typically either love it or despite it.
The thing is that fully supporting the man without question is what led to him getting that amount of cash for a a couple incomplete minutes of disjointed garbage.
I agree fully of what the other anon said that he has a great grasp of animation fundamentals and a keen sense of style but he can't put it together by himself at all.
Confirmed John K. is not closet furry
Doesn't know how much OC there was, thinks it was mostly derivative
There's a LOT of OC furry back then. More than derivative furry even.
You don't see it today because it was pre-digital
He didn't see it then because you had to actively look for it
IIRC fanzine style publication of small run comics for people who just like furries for the sake of it and enough of them realized it at the same time to start organizing and sharing.
For a moment I read "sad" as "sand"
but everything he said about the animaniacs was true. It was clutered, the clothes bulged awkardly, wasn't remotely human... why you'd consider those are bad things is up to your taste, and he is entitled to it. He wasn't just ranting, he was giving food for thought about many artstyles in a larger blog post
Jhon K is the Chris Chan of animation, his only crime is being an aspie creep, stubborn about what he wants and not knowing where the line is about personal (and sexual) matters.
I think its hilarious that all of Jhon's disciples have either cut off all connection with him or fucking hate his guts and make caricatures of him in their comics. Katie and this guy are good examples of this. Even though they fucking hate the guy, they still have major influences of him in their drawing style.
I really couldn't give a shit about what kind of a person someone is, I think /co/ spends WAY too much time and effort on attacking creators they don't like based on bitchy gossip about their personal lives rather than judging the stuff they create. If literally Hitler had been a good artist, his art would still have been good. Even causing the deaths of millions doesn't make someone's art worse. Or better.
John K was really good at what he did. It's unfortunate to see his work ethic decline to the level it has now, and this bizarre and jarring insertion of CGI doesn't mesh with his style at all, I'm surprised he can't see or admit that. But you can still see the care that's going into the traditional animation, even if he does seem to only spend about an hour a month on it.
He's right about the style mixing 30s and 40s, but I disagree with him about the characters looking too crumpled up. They look really bouncy, and I think they complement each other well.
Also, the oversized clothes are part of the character design. It shows that their personalities are loose and off the wall.
>He didn't see it then because you had to actively look for it
He went to high school with the people that drew that stuff. Because of how obsessed he is with cartoons, im sure he saw everything everyone else was drawing.
>Everything about Jones -even at his best - comes off as cynical to me, like he doesn't have any love or respect of life or humanity.
How does one arrive at that conclusion from these cute cat drawings?
>He went to high school with the people that drew that stuff. Because of how obsessed he is with cartoons, im sure he saw everything everyone else was drawing.
The kids in your highschool class are not a good representative sample of the whole world, anon.
>these two dorky kids in my freshman year
>they seem pretty chill, always drawing pretty good anime-style stuff and talking about cartoons
>nothing seems out of the ordinary, befriend them
>suddenly, weeks after the entire school has seen me hanging around with them, they start discussing furry sex MUDs loudly in the middle of classes
Not too sure if it was just one preson but there was a time when it was impossible to have anything Adventure Time related without some John K freaks coming in and ruining the entire conversation.
The ever constant complaints about "doodle toons" and "pretending to be John K style" just infested every Adventure Time general.
So what I am seeing here is that John K has come full circle?
>He was some cartoon nerd
>actually got an education and got into the industry
>was fairly successful and had his own creations on tv
>few failures and was reduced to small time jobs
>not working in the industry any longer
>spends his time on the internet complaining about other people's work and trolls communities
>makes doodles on notebook paper and demands affection from the internet for it
He is pretty much doing what other people do if they never got an education and/or a job. Bitching on the internet like an edgy 14 year old and showing off his poorly scribbled on notebook paper "art" and looking for praise.
You think he would just get a Deviantart and fanfiction.net account and complete the transformation.
Yea this is what I am seeing. He seems to have total disdain for anything done not to his own personal specifications.
As if somehow other work from other artists are required to meet his own approval before it is displayed to the public.
I tend to think he would be taken a little better if he had some element of professionalism.
He could do better if he just genuinely talked about what he thought was not done correctly in X series or characters.
His angry ranting style comes off as more of a bitter crazy guy or spoiled child instead.
It just ruins the credibility.
The "/co/ hates John K because he doesn't like Animaniacs." thing is a meme by someone who actually does hate John K because he doesn't like Animaniacs and wants to blame it on /co/.
> What bothers me is how he vaguely seems to imply that everything should be done the way HE does it
But he doesn't? He doesn't tell people to study Ren and Stimpy or his other drawings, he tells them to look at Disney, WB, Fleischers, Lantz, golden age newspaper cartoonists and illustrators, and even color schemes in anime.
Jones' cartoons are pretty cynical, even Feed the Kitty with having MacAnthony cry his eyes out over the cat possibly being dead.
Then of course there's THIS little green asshole...
Post an example then. People are always lying in these threads because they're too afraid to actually look at his blog.
He does get jobs. More ignorance...
It's a plight of anyone who aspires to be "profession" about entertainment. They can't just say they liked or disliked something, but it's all that matters. So they invent some barely relevant metric and get caught up in it.
These accusations have gotten pretty pathetic, don't you think?
Maybe, maybe not. You have people who worked with John yet went into an entirely different direction and got recognized more for that (Charlie Bean on Tron Legacy, for example)
Katie Rice owes some of her skills to John but after APC she started doing very different looking art compared to anything John does.
Really only this:
Is anywhere close to saying R&S is a good example of cartooning, and even then he's mostly explaining a concept that's he's been trying to figure out.
The other posts are about the process/ keeping traditional practices alive.
Anyways, he doesn't think everything he does in perfect:
>I think the character designs (the drawing "style") are very awkward and many times(as in the examples) not well composed and don't utilize the larger principles of drawing and design.
>I can say the same thing about many many scenes in my cartoons (and I will)-but I'm not relying so heavily on "design" for my entertainment value.
>I will soon also use scenes from my cartoons to show things that don't work.
What are these rumors about John K. projecting his daddy issues into his cartoons? I remember several father figures in R&S cartoon being incredibly strict and borderline batshit insane, but never figured it could be some kind of projection.
John K make this kind of shit but talk shit about animaniacs...
There's a video out there, I'm trying to find it but having no luck, which is pretty much the same as this post. He's reminiscing about his days up at the cottage where his father would insult him to his face and to his friends because he was disgusted by the job he chose for not being 'manly enough', and he'd abuse him and be a total asshole all the time but that's okay because daddy was a real man and PLEASE ACCEPT ME DADDY I LOVE YOU DAD PLEASE
It's equal parts pitiful and disgusting.
>Grandpa and Grandma came over from the old country (Ruthenia) to escape ignorance, oppression, giant ornery bears and poverty, but carried with them the fear that if you didn't work your fingers to the bone 16 hours a day, you might lose everything you've gained. They were really nice to me. Grandpa kissed me (on the mouth!) every time we met and tried to convert me by scratching my lips off with his stubbly whiskers. I remember the only time he ever scolded me was when I grew long hair.
>He was sitting next to a picture of the greatest hippie (the guy Republicans love and ignore) in history and said: "The Lord meant for women to have long hair and men to have short hair, so I pointed to the picture and said "What about Jesus?" My dad started laughing his butt off "He's got you there Dad! You can't argue with that sonovabitch kid of mine." I could tell Grandpa wanted to make him kneel on rice kernels for 6 hours to punish him for his own back talk.
My fucking sides.
He was, they're just being faggots and reading into shit that isn't there.
Of course people who lived through the Great Depression of Canada are going to be tough as nails, that isn't "abuse".
You do know that every man who has ever said, "My father was tough on me as a child, but it made me better for it" are never actually better for it?
You do know what repression and denial are, right?
She cut off all communication with him a while ago. She even tried changing her art style so that there wouldnt be as much Jhon influence in it. JK must have really been an insufferable creep if Katie decided to fuck off. He's been creepin on her since she was 16.
The only thing I despise about Jhon K is that he fucked Katie Rice in her prime before me. Fucking pos. Those baby making hips and ass should have been wrapped around MY dick.
>She cut off all communication with him a while ago. She even tried changing her art style so that there wouldnt be as much Jhon influence in it. JK must have really been an insufferable creep if Katie decided to fuck off. He's been creepin on her since she was 16.
I used to follow her/John/Kali/Marlo online years ago although I guess not as closely as I thought because this thread is the first I'm hearing about this. Majorly creeped out.
Difference is Nick consistently gets freelance work from more than just "That one executive who used to be a huge fan". He's also extremely sought after from studios and studios will actually listen to him if he wanted to pitch.
John K. does not have those same privileges or prestige.
>He was sitting next to a picture of the greatest hippie (the guy Republicans love and ignore) in history and said: "The Lord meant for women to have long hair and men to have short hair, so I pointed to the picture and said "What about Jesus?" My dad started laughing his butt off "He's got you there Dad! You can't argue with that sonovabitch kid of mine."
Heh, thanks for finding that. I remember an other instance of John ripping apart Kyle's work on the blog but I can't find it anywhere. Something that had to do with the colors being shit along with them being bad designs.
This show is literally the best thing he has done so far.
>300 posts later
>Cans Without Labels still isn't finished
John seems to think he can still make George Liquor a popular character.
His fixation with George probably also has to do with daddy issues, since George is heavily influenced by his dad.
he is perfect as the crazy character that randomly appears in R&S, like old man winter. Honestly when Cans without labels was announced I was happy that john was doing more things but I was also like "seriously? more george?"
He's got a certain charisma about him, a moxy, if you will, of not giving a fuck. I was looking at his Twitter feed where he basically calls this woman ugly and drew a better looking caricature of her (then he kind of backhands it by saying in another tweet "Men deserve what God gives them") Also, this: >>79078583
Also, that Treehouse of Horror couch gag he did looked like complete dogshit.
>still a lack of sources
If there were so many girls he tried to get with or sexual harrassed, why haven't any of them said something yet? He has no power in the industry. They could easily ruin him if they wanted to.
Stop spreading hearsay if you have no proof, you troglodyte.
I never even said he sexually harassed anyone, there's not really anything to "ruin" him over, he's just creepy, not a rapist. He offers to mentor these girls, they end up dating or hooking up with him partially thinking he still has pull in the industry.
>he's just creepy
Based on what?
>they end up dating or hooking up with him partially thinking he still has pull in the industry.
The only Spumco girl who has been proven to be with him (besides Lynne Naylor who was his wife before Spumco began) is Kali Fontecchio. And even then we barely have anything besides some off hand comments by Vincent Waller.
You have no proof for anything else.
This bait wasn't worth the effort of typing it, fuccboi.
>/co/ can't go 2 seconds without talking about the people they dislike
>bleh bleh, he hates everything, he sucks
>goes right back to doing the exact same things they dislike Old Man Kricfalusi for
In the grand scheme of things people don't live and bend towards your outlandish criteria, I'd bet half of you don't have the balls to say this to a person's face. Stop complaining about little everything you little baby faggots and try to enjoy life for once.
John K please
>I'd bet half of you don't have the balls to say this to a person's face.
Of course I wouldn't say it to his face. I'm not an asshole. Why do you think having balls means being an asshole to washed up old people? What's wrong with you?
This freak belongs in a trailer park or preferably a morgue. Why are we even talking about him? Do you know how many war victims died in obscurity that were 1000x times the person this piece of shit is?
>Why do you think having balls means being an asshole to washed up old people? What's wrong with you?
The fuck are you even on about?
I'm talking about all the greaseball neets that want to talk shit but don't want to pick up a pen, if they put half the effort they do into complaining and critiquing everyone else's work they could make some good cartoons if they tried. If they were serious about making a difference (instead of pretending to know everything) they wouldn't just be dropping worthless drive-by shitposts on /co/, they'd be taking it straight to the source. There are very little well-minded and constructive people here.
The people who know what they're talking about here make this board worth coming back to, and I've been saying this. You know who you are.
>I'm talking about all the greaseball neets that want to talk shit but don't want to pick up a pen, if they put half the effort they do into complaining and critiquing everyone else's work they could make some good cartoons if they tried. If they were serious about making a difference (instead of pretending to know everything) they wouldn't just be dropping worthless drive-by shitposts on /co/, they'd be taking it straight to the source. There are very little well-minded and constructive people here.
Good job moving the goal post, you little retard. First you say that we should call him a hack and a piece of shit to his face like we do online, which is unnecessary and mean-spirited. Now you claim you meant to say we should make our own cartoons? Those are not even remotely similar demands. There is no way you typed one out while meaning to convey the other. Take your mental illness elsewhere.
>First you say that we should call him a hack and a piece of shit to his face like we do online, which is unnecessary and mean-spirited.
>unnecessary and mean-spirited
>doing it in first place
Get your priorities in check and go back to fucking tumblr
What the fuck are you even saying? You think the entire internet should be a hugbox? That every opinion must be directly expressed to a given person at every opportunity in such a fashion as to maximize emotional pain? Are you even human? You have some weird fucking ideas. Maybe you should stop posting here, you twisted little freak.
>BAWWWWW INTERNET PEOPLE ARE CRITICIZING MY PEDOPHILE GRANDPA MANCRUSH
>I'LL ACT LIKE THIS IS SOMEHOW A CHARACTER FLAW ON THEIR PART
>SURELY THEY WILL STOP
John K is a predatory subhuman and you are a sad bootlicking turd. You are not manly, you are not smart, you are not anything. Stop this, now.
>tell /co/ they complain about John.K too much
>these are the responses I get
Get some fresh air, nerds
Reminder that if you reply to bait you're a faggot.
Is it because I don't see the appeal of ragging on him or is it because I don't want to be a part of the echo chamber that is /neo/-co? You can hop on your soapbox, twist whatever you want, and go for being morally superior than me, that's fine
But am I supposed to be enraged that John K is a coozhound and takes forever? I guess that makes everything he's ever done objectively garbage. Big fucking deal. How is me expressing my displeasure of the incessant whining about an old white guy wanting this place to be a hugbox? I guess I should have known better than to criticize your favorite hobby, complaining.
Your vitriol and anger shows it all
What's really sad that despite all of this thread's bitching, John K does exactly what /co/ should be doing.
Leveling honest, well-informed criticism against grown-up professional animators who make poor products despite knowing better.
Instead, /co/ bitches about what some mentally handicapped 12 year old said on tumblr because the have different political opinions.
>What's really sad that despite all of this thread's bitching, John K does exactly what /co/ should be doing.
>Leveling honest, well-informed criticism against grown-up professional animators who make poor products despite knowing better.
Does he even do that anymore?
I think you meant to say working, you know, the thing /co/ doesn't do because underage b&
what does John K. Think of Mike Judge?
does he just shit on everybody who doesn't know "proper cartoon theory" or is he just cynical that he isn't big in the industry anymore?
She draws herself with a huge ass
I wanted to fuck Katie so fucking hard god damn.
>Not the words of an industry professional.
John K hasn't really been what you call call an "industry professional" for about two (2) decades. And even before that, the "professional" part was debatable.
Nearly all of John's "students" are more successful than he is now. Reccardi, Springer, Rice, Cross, Weise, Marlo, Fontecchio, Robertryan Cory, Brandon Graham, Rebecca Sugar, etc
That's some pretty tortured logic, dude.
So if a kid makes a shitty flash cartoon for a college website and they cut him $50 for it, he's a "professional" and has connections with famous top animators? Come on son.
For reference, Ren and Stimpy ENDED in 1995. 20 years ago.
>it's a "John K is butthurt because Spielberg's side project was more successful and beloved than his entire body of work" thread
I really just wish John would make more stuff like pic related.
>I'm always surprised at how successful Bruce Timm turned out to be despite John K's tutelage.
Bruce was under more than John's wing. Alex Toth comes to mind. Also, Bruce isn't fucking autistic.
Here's Bruce's actual style before he started copying men's magazine cartoonists.
Isn't she a Buttugly semi-hairless squat when not in cartoon form?
it's better than ugly flash animation and 9000 blog posts about the production process. it's not as though i enjoy it BECAUSE he drew them, but the guy can draw cute girls.
whatever, it's his life.
George Liquor was never funny. Johnny Kak will never realize this because it's his favorite creation.
I don't care for him because he isn't funny, left on his own. He can do art. He can't really do humor. The only thing that made Ren and Stimpy funny was that network censors kept him in line. It was an adult cartoon masquerading as a kids show. But thanks to Spike, we know without restraint it just ain't funny.
>He can't really do humor
"he's a guy who's literally all thumbs!"
"in this show, the main character is the antagonist!"
It's true, he has this doglike sense of what the OUTLINE of humor looks like and can occasionally throw a dark inside the outline, but really doesn't understand the concept itself.
he's pissed off that Jones disregarded previous styles and created his own.
And this is coming from someone who doesn't much care for Jones myself, but I don't infer motive from linework like John seems to believe he can.
He's one of those people who should never be given all the say. But he has such strong opinions, it's pretty much the only way he'll do anything at all. In the end a lot of people just have to throw him away, because the good is too overwhelmed by the shit.
>But he has such strong opinions
People should have strong opinions. They should also occasionally be punched in the mouth hard, like Bill Kane got.
thanks for finding it first. This is John's creative bankruptcy application.
Right. And Animaniacs are the fakers...
Did anyone read Sick Little Monkeys? Goddamn did I enjoy how the author tore apart Adult Party Cartoon. It was a total disaster in every regard, and hearing everything about it's failure was interesting. The original R&S was my favorite cartoon of all time, and APC was beyond disappointing.
>People should have strong opinions.
Not to the point where they discard all outside opinions. Otherwise you end up with something that is only funny to the man who created it. I have no idea who else George Liquor could even be for.
I don't think a punch would be enough to make John K. come around, frankly.
> crapface the duck
> crabby the duck
> kaspar the totally not stimpy
They're not cartoons of identifiable types or personalities, they're colored space fillers. And these were legitimately going to be his stable, in his imagination that is.
> but you don't understand, according to my theories on cartoons these are proven successes!
Someone put him out of our misery
its because John K is a spaz, it kinda proves that in order to make it anywhere you have to be really fucking talented to the point where it doesn't matter how much of a dick you are.
or you just generally not be an asshole to everyone, and you have normal talent.
The panel I attended said there are 3 things that count:
– getting along e.g. making it work no matter what
You can at best shit the bed on one of those 3 qualities, and it can't be reliability.
Johnny boy shat the bed on reliability AND getting along. At that point his talent became a liability.
Anyone famous or half famous has ever defend this massive cunt?
I just saw a gigantic reply of one of his blog posts filled with cock sucking.
"I can not believe that there is not one producer on the face of the earth with enough sense to give you your head and let you do without interference what you do best which is to make brilliant films.
If one ever does come along your fertile mind will make that person rich beyond the wildest dreams of avarice.
As far as I am concerned, if there is a future for the medium of animated films, YOU ARE IT."
Any kind of retard can have fans.
>Anyone famous or half famous has ever defend this massive cunt?
In the industry? Yeah there's been several. For a recent example, you have the Steven Universe crew using his "a character should look different every-time you draw them" philosophy.
>Any kind of retard can have fans.
I'm guessing he's "retarded" to you because you don't understand him. You read /co/'s opinions and don't form your own by reading his posts.
What hurts the most is the lack of character in these drawings. There's a handful that do look like they're actual characters that have some kind of personality to them (and I'm not counting all of the "DURR I'M A WACKY MORON" ones) but a majority of these look like crap he just drew in five minutes with no clear idea of what he was even going for. A lot of what's on display here is the kind of shit a professional character designer would rip into if it was shown to them.
No, I read his coworkers opinions and his own rants and see how he acts.
He's mentally sick and that is completely clear. Which wouldn't be a problem if he got treatment instead of trying to drag everyone to the ground with him.
I wonder what kind of sanctimonious things he could have posted on his blog that would nullify all his other actions.
Was it with this image?
I made this years ago and it was a guaranteed 200+ reply topic every time
You've got to learn to chill down anon
Just mellow out
This has no rubber hose or pear and sphere in it. This is some deranged interpretation of UPA/Hanna Barbera.
People who don't understand John K's criticism are the ones who hate it.
And yeah, Animaniacs is animated like shit. inb4 TMS shill.
I shouldn't care but I'm honestly pretty curious on how John feels about the new Mickey Mouse shorts
John K is literally the best animator currently working.
The people that hate him are the same ones that sit around /co/ complaining about how everything is 3D now while jerking off to Frozen incest porn.
>the best animator
who is glen keane
who is chris sanders
who is genndy tartakovsky
who is bob jaques even
tons of animators are better than john k but few do psychodrama better than him.
And shouldn't /co/ be posting about female thor on its tumblr instead of trying to tear down the pioneer of western animation?
literally nothing you said is true
>How to Train your Dragon
>not 3D flicks
>didn't get on the map for working on Ren and Stimpy
Name something he did before Ren and Stimpy that was any good. I'll wait.
>I'm talking about all the greaseball neets that want to talk shit but don't want to pick up a pen
John Kickfootball please go. Just like how you don't have to make a movie to criticize it, I don't have to be animator to point out a sleazeball hack who pretends like he's the god of animation.
I'm struggling to see how he could have possibly, ever fucking thought that these designs would be acceptable for TV. This is the kind of thing you shit out in five minutes as a warm-up before you start doing real work, it's not acceptable to actually present that. I'm struggling to imagine, for example, a TV show staring "Fump", "Ralph", "Pablo" and "Waxy" and it's making my brain hurt. It's just not fucking doable.
But then apparently he thinks this is a catchy, funny catchphrase;
>“Why won’t you die tho I can get on wiff my pwogwam? Die fathter!”
So I don't even know anymore. He must be suffering from some kind of degenerative brain rot.
>For a recent example, you have the Steven Universe crew using his "a character should look different every-time you draw them" philosophy.
That's not a philosophy that strictly belongs to him, nor do I believe Ian JQ's statement even relates to him at all.
So someone in the industry, working on a terrible low-budget cartoon that looks like ass, may or may not have adopted a fairly universal artistic concept due to John K's advocacy of it.
>I don't want to understand things I just want to be a dumb nigger who argues constantly with people.
Little teen Sucrose getting advice from an artist she admired is definitely going to stick with her into adulthood. I'd be willing to bet that philosophy stuck with her because she read it on John K's blog and then kept an eye out for it later on as she studied cartoons.
>I'd be willing to bet that philosophy stuck with her because she read it on John K's blog and then kept an eye out for it later on as she studied cartoons.
Is this really a safe assumption? Besides, she doesn't apply the philosophy in any way that John K would consider right and proper.
Idiots always blame stuff like adventure time for causing the downfall of western animation, but really it was shit like
Powerpuff Girls, Flapjack, Chowder, and Foster's.
No, I'm not baiting. I'm dead fucking serious.
I liked John K. Emphasis on past-tense. I think he's just lost it at this point, and we should appreciate what he already did right, instead of overanalyzing his descent into madness.
>the pioneer of western animation
>implying any of the guys from the 30's and 40's are still breathing
The draftsmanship in early Popeye makes most feature films look like turds. They used fuzzy math and basic geometry to make stuff rotate in 3D space when it had to, without just having machines do it for them. It was hard, it was expensive, but the outcome was usually almost too good to be real. Watch the girder-climbing scene in "Night Walking" for a good example of 3D drafting and background painting.
Also, the old Merrie Melodies shorts by Leon Schlesinger and Tex Avery are pure gold ("Hamateur Night", "I Love To Singa".)
To tell the truth, I'd actually like Homer's design if his skin was a shade of yellow. Don't do things differently for no reason, that's not what makes something original or inspired.
lol, people consider him a hack because of some stuff he said on his blog. It's funny, because if a person had ever heard him speak before that point, they wouldn't have been surprised. Who would have thought the creator of Ren & Stimpy would have extreme views on something?
Can vouch for the fact that he is legit infamous for using sockpuppets and anonymous accounts to defend himself on the internet. Wouldn't be surprised if he was some of the more defensive replies in this thread actually, lmfao.
>Little teen Sucrose getting advice from an artist she admired is definitely going to stick with her into adulthood. I'd be willing to bet that philosophy stuck with her because she read it on John K's blog and then kept an eye out for it later on as she studied cartoons.
Yes. The main characters are featureless most of the time but there are frequent detailed exaggerations and the side characters are far more detailed than the other shows you mentioned.
I don't like it but some of his criticisms seem way off-base. Like complaining that they combine two old styles instead of aping one exclusively, or that their designs are "cluttered". How the fuck are they cluttered? They're not anything I'd call good, but they're not cluttered.
Every post in this thread that doesn't have a newspaper article, police report, notarized private investigator report, or some sort of credible documentation, is most likely made up.
>John K sleeps with all his assistants!
>No John K only woos them and strikes out!
>He's working with Mike Judge!
>No he's not working with Mike Judge!
>He molested girls!
>No he didn't molest girls!
I can vouch that all of the above is true.
See you didn't understand the criticism. It's not that they combined the two styles, it's that they fucked up both styles.
He's saying the animators animating that show don't understand animation.
>See you didn't understand the criticism. It's not that they combined the two styles, it's that they fucked up both styles.
Then why did he write in his complaint that his complaint was that they combined both styles?
>newspaper articles/police reports on some washed up cartoonist defending himself on other people's blogs/forums
Wow John, this is incredibly spergy even for you. Go finish Cans.
>ignoring the twitter link posted in the thread by Katie herself exposing what a fucking creep Jhon is
>not looking up the other testimonies made by people that worked under him
Are you trolling right now are you really that retarded.
Mathew even brings up the dead coming back to life at Jesus' crucifixion.
>And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. 52The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
But of the books, Paul is the worst offender. He embellished because he had an agenda.
>SCREW YOU DAD, I'M A HALF COW HALF UDDER DEMON GOD NOW
also, he can literally only draw one type of female
Why oh why did Katie get fat? There is nothing more I want in the world than to slide my cock between her leg meat and throw her on the desk and fuck her raw.
There's a law against being creepy as fuck and immoral in Mega-City One. If a Psi-Corps member catches him with intentions of grooming a high schooler with self esteem issues into a Taiwanese no limits sex doll, then he's gonna spend some time in the iso cubes.
She lost some weight dude, but not like it matters. Shes engaged with another guy she seems to be crazy about so a neckbeard like you has zero chance.And why would you want John's used goods any way?
>look up pictures of Katie Rice since /co/ is obsessed with her and and claim she has the most voluptuous back side
>literally just an meh tier ass
You white people don't know what real ass meat looks like.
Eh it's hard to get proof of the creepy sex uncle part since Katie Rice deleted her post about it off her blog. You can't use wayback to find it either, even then her post from 2009 was only her side so it's still just hearsay. Still these guys got details wrong, he didn't make moves on her until later he just met her at 16.
Even if it's not entirely true, your reputation can be ruined by lies born of your poor behavior, lack of professionalism, and the way you spit vitriol, John. No one likes a jerk and you're a jerk.
Interesting how only you seem to know this and your only proof has been deleted.
Did Sick Little Monkeys eveb hint at stuff like that a littlr bit? That was the same book that said Ralph Bakshi has bad aim when shitting on the toilet.
Yeah it was less about him and more about a friend of hers who he was dating. I think it was something about him making advances on her despite that, and her friend not helping her when she said she was uncomfortable with him coming onto her. It's been forever since I read it and you can't wayback her blogspot so I can't really post anything here.
Well honestly I thought I just imagined the whole thing since I only know about it because someone linked it to /co/ way back when. However Katie Rice started making vague tweets during the whole Clarence Molesting bullshit about it reminding her of her own expiriences or some shit so I think it was real.