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Been seeing a lot of Star Wars lately so let's mix it up with another sci-fi franchise

This is Mass Effect: Redemption
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Storytime of Pain here, folks.
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>>79025441
It takes place between Shepard being blown up and the being rezed by Cerberus.
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>>79025490
There we go, I had to restart the thread because of IP problems.

Anyway, it's suppose to be how Cerberus got Shepard and why Liara changed so much but the comic fails to do either.
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>>79025513
Also, the art is horrendous and full of little incongruities such as the last page. Omega wasn't "contested" because Aria controlled everything
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>>79025548
>>79025472
bretty much, but it's breezy to read
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>Mass Effect
Triggered

But really thanks for the story time OP the comics arn't bad. I liked them at least
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>>79025569
Man, I sure would have liked to have seen how Liara became so brazen as to hire a merc army
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>>79025441
>From the Lead Writer of the Acclaimed Bioware videogame!
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>>79025441
>Mass Effect
no
never again
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>>79025603
Man, just fucking wait until they get into it.
The more they explain about Shepard the less it makes fucking sense.

>>79025589
They're not really good either
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>>79025639
I shit on it, but I really do love this series/franchise

>tfw this page could have had an Elcor stripper but they opted out of even showing htat
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>>79025681
And why is the Elcor complaining about being funded by the Council? I thought the whole point of Omega was that it sat just outside of Council space.
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>>79025729
Did they ever show Drell females?
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>>79025441
Technically, Star Wars isn't sci-fi. It's science fantasy. Or a space opera.
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>>79025742
No. Just Thane and his palette swapped son.
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The art doesn't seem so bad just the a sari face and thats about my only complaint
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>>79025769
I like how the Biotics in this are kind of like a weird flame thing.
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>>79025742
Yes.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Irikah_Krios
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>>79025812
>Sunset colored eyes
>Her eyes are grey
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>>79025851
Maybe that's what sunsets looked like back on Thane's world?
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>>79025851
>Miranda

T-thanks...

>>79025794
It's rather lifeless
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>>79025876
>>79025875
I don't think that's how lights work anon
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>>79025898
I love how Liara doesn't remember that Cerberus is a terrorist organization despite that sub-plot in ME1
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>>79025911
"
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>>79025938
The Illusive Man sure does love showing himself despite being illusive
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>>79025973
That doesn't even look like Ramon Estevez. What the hell, artist.
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>>79026077
The whole Shepard dying really makes less and less sense
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>>79026260
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Thanks OP. I love Mass Effect and have been meaning to look into the comics and novels for some time now.
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>>79026297
So who put Shepard's body in the stasis pod? Why didn't they take the stasis pod with them or just sell them straight to the Shadow Broker? why didn't the Collectors search the wreckage if finding Shepard's body was so important? How long was Shepard just floating there?
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>>79026366
And how long has Shepard been dead? Shouldn't all her memories be gone? The aspect of Shepard possibly being a replica was sorely missed from ME2

>>79026321
You're welcome
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>>79026402
They had a chance to really explore Liara growing as a character since she practically does a 360 in ME2. It's unfortunate.
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>>79026458
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So /co/, MaleShep or FemShep?
My first Shepard was male for obvious reasons, so I'll always have a soft spot for Mark Meer, but I freely admit Jennifer Hale is the better voice actor (although Meer improved a lot by the time of ME3).
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>>79026500
I always play FemShep
Always
First FemShep was for more customization options and for better voice acting

Only time I wanted to play MaleShep was to waifu Tali for one run but Garrus or alien lesbian sex is so much better
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>>79026500
>My first Shepard was male for obvious reasons

Not so obvious, apparently. I don't understand choosing MaleShep over FemShep.

I'm FemShep all the way.
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>>79026546
I was going to start a new run with an Asian FemShep but I always debate over what class I want to do with her and her background
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>>79026627
So little is actually happening in this fucking issue
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I've been replaying the whole trilogy lately, I'm early into 3 right now (just finished the Palaven moon mission)
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Man, I wish someone would post the farscape comics.
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>>79026656
Early half of 3 is pretty great. It fall apart a bit when you get to Rannoch since it just feels dumb for the Quarians to invade suddenly in the middle of the Reaper invasion but whatever, Rannoch probably has some of the better missions
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>>79026582
Infiltrator, brah. I love to snipe.
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>>79026700
It's weird to see Liara so aggressive
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>>79026500
MaleShep, because Tali is my true love.
I also think he's quite well acted in 3.
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>>79026733
First run was sniper. It was a lot of fun in ME2 and ME3 with the cloak. In ME1 it was almost a one hit kill with explosive rounds. Was going to do biotic or something because it's crazy broken in ME1. Also played Sentinel and that makes the game super slow.

>>79026749
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>>79026755
Tali is cute but I always hate what she gets turned into by ME3. Her whole charm was that she was kind of shy and awkward with people, but also fully capable. ME3 made her all fucking weird

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpHOntx2saQ

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>>79026837
How the fuck did Shepards body get to Omega in the first place?
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>>79025569
What in the hell is going on with that turians legs in the lower right?
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>>79026872
I do like these pulpier covers
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>>79026887
Walking, duh
Aliens don't follow anatomy idiooooooot
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>>79026914
oof, I'm starting to feel the alcohol

Anway:
>Fav character in the series
>Fav class in ME
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>>79026582
Vanguard. The answer is always vanguard.
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>>79026939
I get Liara had a thing for Shepard but it still feels weird for her to flip out. She's more coldly calculating than anything
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>>79026800
>>79026582
Whenever I try to play through a game like this again, I always end up making the choices anyway, even when I try to do it different.

The only real difference I made in my second play through was deciding to fuck Kaiden instead of Liara.

Oh, and saving Kaiden in 1.
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>>79026960
Shit I should do that. I guess I don't have to do Insanity.

>>79026976
Same. I always make the same choices. I even try to do it so there's some continuity between games, so it makes it even worse. Like you can't sacrafice the Citadel because it means fuck all in ME2 even if you make a mixed Council. It's like it just puts on the "bad" path automatically.
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>>79026967
Martin Sheen doesn't have a... sixhead, or whatever that is.
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>>79027029
Usually I save Kaiden, too, since Ashley turns into a horrendous caricature of herself by ME3
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>>79027029
>Liara being sarcastic

I hate this.
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>>79025876
>ugly Miranda

They did my waifu wrong
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>>79026749
>It's weird to see Liara so aggressive

Liara turning into some kind of badass between games was always pretty hard to wrap my head around

Especially since in-game, she was the weakest crew member, died the most in combat, and literally had lower physical stats than Tali, who spends her whole life in an exosuit so that dust won't kill her
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>>79027223
>the Shadow Broker personal guard being this easily fooled

come on he gave you a list and everything.
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>>79026862
>How the fuck did Shepards body get to Omega in the first place?

In Mass Effect: Foundation, Miranda and Jacob travel to an alien world to recover Shepard's body where it landed, and I think some batarians got there first and brought it to Omega to sell to the Collectors
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>>79027236
ME couldn't put story and game play together for shit. I can't think of a single time I wanted to bring Jack along on a mission because she died every 3 secs.
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>>79027236
Yeah, but Singularity and Lift basically cause a whole room to be stunned even on Insanity, though only in late game.

A lot needed to push her to be a cold person, because she just sat alone in caves all day, but they never explained it. I guess the other argument was that she was becoming her mother, but that's kind of a stretch. Her mother was only an assholhe because of indoctrination.
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>>79027301
>>79027276
But then who the fuck put Shepard's body in a stasis pod, because Shepard certainly wasn't in one when the Normandy explioded.
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>>79027276
What was it with the batarians, they somehow always seem to stumble across some galaxy changing plot device first.
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>>79027330
fuck forgot the page
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>>79027293
Also Shockwave was pretty useless on higher difficulties where everyone has at least one shield.
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>>79027411
This is a trainwreck.
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>>79027411
Like, they could have done a whole thing where Liara saw Shepard as her only family after her mother die and she desperately wanted to at least bury her because Liara couldn't even bury her mom but they didn't
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>>79027452
Seriously. I mean, the Collector's don't have much to gain from Shepard's body .
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>>79027330
Whoever was planning to sell him/her? It's not like they'd bundle Shepard's carcass in a plastic bag and hand him/her over

>>79027301
I never used stuff to stun rooms because I played Vanguard in ME3, so I'd Charge right into the middle of the fight and then use the Venom shotgun to blow everyone away; I focused more on tech combo explosions than biotic ones

The only biotic power I really needed from my teammates was Reave; I was pretty mad that they nerfed Reave down in ME3 because Samara and I would always fuck shit up in ME2 using back-to-back Reaves even on Insanity

>>79027342
>terrorists
>slavers
>fanatics

They're literally the ISIS of the Mass Effect universe, it was pretty funny that they got genocided off-screen in ME3
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>>79027452
Everything after ME1 was a trainwreck
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>>79027464
By 3 I was convinced the devs were only invested in Liara's romance. No other character comes as close to being so infatuated with Shepard no matter what you do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsLDtyCSgTQ
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>>79027497
>>79027509
But how were they there in time to get the body instead of the Collectors?

And usually I use Warp Ammo because it fucks everything as Infiltrator and Sentinal. I find Reave way to situational.
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>>79027568
>>79027536
I always liked the scene where Shepard and Liara look at the stars as they pass by on the Normandy. I thought it was sweet.
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>>79027236
>died the most in combat

I think you mean Wrex.
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>>79027598
Last issue
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>>79027568
The Collectors buy specimens from slavers and pirates all the times. They only started invading and abducting whole colonies themselves in ME2.
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>>79027599
>Barrier
>Regen

Yeah, okay
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>An entire franchise with only 1 good game and an uninteresting universe
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>>79027645
>>79027653
Yes, but the Collectors were RIGHT THERE. They literally just blew up the fucking ship. If they wanted the body so fucking badly then why let the fucking Batarians find it when they were already there?
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>>79027599
Wrex was pretty sturdy for me; in ME3's Citadel DLC arcade where you could use any of your old crew mates to fight enemies in arcade mode, him and Grunt were basically two tanks that could plow through anything

>>79027690
That's a good point. I dunno. Maybe they didn't know Shepard's body landed on another planet, they could have assumed it was incinerated in the ship's explosion.
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>>79027660
ME2 was good, and the universe is interesting in the sci-fi wasteland that was 2005-2013. There's a lot to be explored but simply isn't or is retconned or ignored.
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>>79027660
>An entire franchise with only 1 good game and an uninteresting universe

I disagree.
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>>79027660
But the universe is interesting and I liked all three games.
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>>79027732
Grunt was slightly better because he could do more damage.
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>>79027764
Fuck Liara is really kicking ass out of nowhere acting like a Vangaurd instead of just tossing out Stasis and Singularity from behind cover
this turns me on do you think she'll step on my balls as I suck a Turian cock?
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>>79027795
>Triple agent

ugh
this isn't Metal Gear
this drell isn't Eva
fuck off
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>>79027795
In-character Liara would gladly be a cuckquean worshiping Shepard while watching him/her fuck other women

I'm pretty sure I've read some fapfics like that
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>>79027732
>>79027653
I don't know what I did then. Wrex always died super easily.

The strongest and most useful for me were always Kasumi, Garrus, and Jack.
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>>79027830
I wouldn't be surprised. I can see that in her. I remember reading one where Tali had like pinchers in her vagina that would shoot venom in your dick and grip you as you came

>>79027840
>Kasumi
Really?? She died all the time for me because she'd Shadow Strike into the middle of mobs on Insanity and die immediately. Jack at least had Warp Ammo.
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>>79027840
For me it was Samara, Grunt and Zaeed. Of course, literally none of them were available for ME3's campaign, so I mostly used Garrus and EDI.
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>>79027912
Why does this Drell care so much about Shepard's body? And the Collectors are known for just buying dead bodies. It's like all they do.

>>79027918
>EDI

I really disliked EDI's combat in ME3. Like Decoy and her Purger were pretty situational and never worked. I'm surpirsed Zaeed worked for you
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>>79027899
A long time back I read this great fapfic where (male) Shepard and Miranda were married and using Oriana and Liara as happy slaves to carry their kids, it was amazing

>>79027976
Zaeed's grenade and Concussion Shot were great for combo explosions
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>>79028032
It's weird that Xenoblade has some more interesting species than that.
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>>79028059
>>79028047
were they're combos in ME2
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>>79027840
>>79027899
>Kasumi
I wanna like her but she always feels so outta place, they can barely think of a reason for her to be around.
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>>79028105
I think they found a good reason for ME3
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>>79028129
That Collector was holding that Shepard pod like it was a pillow with his waifu on it.
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>>79027976
Yeah, I thought EDI was bad too.

>>79027918
I never really had a 'main party'. I tried to change it up every mission. There were so many fucking characters in ME2.

>>79028105
She can hack any system and crack any safe. And I liked her character way more than non-DLC people like Jacob. Not that I didn't like him at all, I just liked Kasumi much better.
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>>79028012
This isn't what I expected trading with the Collectors to be like.
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>>79028153
Kasumi at least had an interesting conflict, and she was fun to talk to. Jacob was so fucking boring even though his dad was literally enslaving people to fuck
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>>79028214
Liara went commando on that fucking Collector with dual weilding pistols like what the fuck this isnt MAI LIARA THIS IS WORSE THAN MARVEL
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>>79028100
I'm not sure, I think there were just warp combos in ME2 but Zaeed's grenade was still really effective after setting fire to a bunch of enemies with an SMG rigged to incendiary ammo.

Later in ME3's arcade his Concussion shot was upgraded to Carnage and the combos were super effective
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>>79028244
Oh no Feron wait I don't give a shit about you because I know next to nothing about you
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>>79028273
I know they added battle combos in ME3. I think ME2 just had Biotic combos for Warp and such
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>>79028311
what a waste of pages
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>>79028333
I have all the other Mass Effect comics if you want me to story time those

Just leave you;re requests here and I;ll be back in like an hour
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>>79028362
Homeworlds is slightly better than this, do that

I remember liking the Garrus issue of that mini
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>>79028153
>Yeah, I thought EDI was bad too.

Honestly to some extent EDI was my replacement waifu because Miranda wasn't around in ME3

I just liked having her there
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>>79027763
>I like 3
>I think the universe is interesting
kek.
It's a more generic Star control at best.
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>>79028418
Tali was my squad waifu.

>"Go for the optics, Chatika! Go for the optics! Good girl!"

>>79028488
Okay. That's your opinion.
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>>79028380
I'm doing Incursion
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>>79030076
Man did that HIGH OCTANE action get your blood pumping???

Yeah, it didn't get my blood pumping either.
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>>79030103
Now, for MASS EFFECT INQUISITION
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>>79030257
What drama!
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>>79030278
This is all in chronological order fyi
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>>79030103
Regardless, I'm still excited for Andromeda.
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>>79030307
>>79030309
I am too. I'm a slave to this series now
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>>79030347
If you haven't figured it out, this is the origin of the Illusive Man on Shanxi
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>>79030387
It's weird that the Illusive Man was on the front lines of things. He always came off as something else
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>>79030423
I was on /lit/ earlier today and I read an interesting post that in order for an audience to sympathize with a character they have to pity them in some way.

So far, I pity no one
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>>79030562
Are those female turians hanging out?
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>>79030588
IF you have any thoughts please share them, it can be a chore to just storytime by yourself
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>>79025599
>Forgetting their entire race is biotic

Fucking retarded Vorscha/writer
>>79025603
I find it suspicious that he was the lead writer of ME2, I thought the original guy behind ME1 was. He was the one they thought highly enough to port over to Kotor since they wanted that to be successful since it could make infinitely more money (and surely did) than ME3.

I hope someone mugged/punched Mac Walters though, the guy showed he cannot write for shit.
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>>79030667
>>79030677
I didn't even notice that. Seriously, what Asari doesn't have biotics?
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>>79030715
wtf

are these indoctrinated turians
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>>79030738
oh no not ben noooooooooooo
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>>79030694
Exactly, entire race is biotic+mandatory military training.

Reminder that the true canon of ME3 was to be that the Reapers were trying to stop the early death of all stars in the galaxy due to overuse of element zero. That's what the dropped plotline of the star in ME2 was leading into
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>>79030790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XP1jHPp_kQ
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>>79030798
I remember the Reapers trying to prevent universal heat death was part of that massive leak that happened like a year before ME3. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to change things in lieu of that.
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>>79030847
Would you fuck a turian?
y/y?
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>>79030878
Correct answer is y
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>>79030863
I'd fuck anything from Mass Effect. Except maybe an Elcor.
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>>79030847
I know nothing about Mass Effect, but this isn't exactly a unique situation.
Does changing the plot because spoilers got leaked ever work? I feel like every time I hear about it, it goes horribly (DC's Monarch).
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>>79030902
>Confused but aroused: W-what are we doing on the bed?
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>>79030930
Never heard of where it did work. It's better to just stick to the idea you had
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>>79030972
Saren showing up here is kind of confusing.
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>>79030847
Mac Walters just didn't like it. Once he got control of ME3 he did whatever he wanted even though it made NO sense at its very core.

AI were not shown at all to be vastly superior and an unstoppable force compared to organics in Mass Effect, the Reapers alone showed that AI couldn't have possibly been that great a threat or they wouldn't have been around to begin with. Sure, Geth showed they could advance rapidly (BUT it's canon they had help from the Reapers) and they STILL got their asses beat with overwhelming advantages on their side. If they were truly capable of being so superior they could have waited a year or so for their so called guaranteed superiority. The Krogan were much more of a threat than the Geth when they had their full genetic potential. 5 minutes of sex making 1,000 Krogan? I'm not sure how fast they matured, but I know it's super fast compared to humans. That's INSANE. Whatever argument you could come up for AI being good in ME had like a dozen or more counterarguments.

I never played the Leviathan DLC that had surprise reveal that the Reaper creators were still alive so I don't know what kind of bullshit nonsense they came up with to try and pad it out.
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>>79031052
The Leviathan DLC basically had the Leviathan, the original creators, be massive aquatic creatures that used mind-control in replacement of limbs. It's kind of interesting in that regard, but it makes little sense why they would need an AI when they could enslave entire species as slave labor.

And the AI was always hinted at. The Geth were ultimately still pining after some kind of guidance after the Quarians abadoned them. It's why you see them praying on Feros to the Reapers. It's just how they were designed.

I don't know if AI was the true treat, because they help you several times, but it seemed to be a core theme.
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>>79031052
>Geth and AI in general are supposed to be an unstoppable force that can bring extinction to all organic life
>Get help from from beings literally a billion years more advanced than anything in the galaxy
>GET DEFEATED BY ONE PERSON

Yeah, Reapers were just insane and that's the only canon I'll accept or the early star death thing.
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>>79031168
Like ME1 made a huge point of distinguising AI from VI
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>>79031184
It was one Reaper and the Geth were never designed for war. And even that one Reaper nearly took out the entire Citadel fleet. And even then it was a "scout" Reaper, not a war Reaper. What I missed the most was that every Reaper was going to be different because "each was a nation"
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>>79031168
>And the AI was always hinted at
>I don't know if AI was the true treat

AI was simply there, they were never meant to be the main antagonists. Reapers being digitized people was something they came up with for the first game, you were just supposed to speculate they are AI

Sure, AI showed they can advance very quickly, but like ANY power in the galaxy (Krogan, Asari) the rest of the galaxy keeps them in check. The only reason Quarians got taken over is because they literally had no forces outside the Geth when it happened+deserved to have their asses beaten for willingly enslaving beings once they became sapient. That whole situation was a terrible one, but the Geth were the heroes and not the villains. Were innocent Quarians killed that would have given them independence? Sure, but there was no way to properly create communication between the two peoples at that time.

Geth did the right thing and ensured the survival of their species and freedom. They harbored no ill-will toward the Quarians afterwards and even fixed the planet up for them and eagerly awaited their return.

In the end the galaxy was much too big and full of various things for AI to ever be a threat in how they had it established. You know what sounds like a threat that should have been explored that AI can't do ANYTHING with? A power that is COMPLETELY and WHOLLY beyond their very nature in the Mass Effect universe?

BIOTICS
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>>79031349
This all feels so unnecessarily complicated as the origin for the fucking Illusive Man
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>>79031381
>>79031371
Yeah, that was a whole thing in ME3. Not the biotics but the Geth. When the first Geth questioned orders a whole big suppression started and the Quarians tried keeping it secret from the Asari and Salarian.

And the entire story of Mass Effect is "Wasted Potential the Franchise"
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>>79031227
>It was one Reaper and the Geth were never designed for war.
Wrong on both counts.

Geth WERE designed for war, in fact they were designed for EVERYTHING. They had Geth in EVERY walk of life. They facilitated everything for the Quarians, that's why they lost so quickly when the Geth rebelled. They were fighting their own army/custodians/engineers/chefs/gardeners/dog walkers/sex bots

Reapers weren't really AI. Reapers were digitized people.
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>>79031444
Like it speaks volumes that Miranda's whole struggle in ME2 was just Snakes struggle in MGS1, but Miranda's whole subplot felt a lot less compelling.

>>79031456
From what I remember Geth were just slave labor
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>>79031456
It would have been interesting to see the Reapers house their intelligence anywhere else besides their bodies but, again, they didn't
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>>79025441
>Star Wars
>Sci-Fi
You've activated my autism card
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>>79031572
These comics feel like they're trying to be pulpy but failing

Like, Remender can make some fucking pulpy sci-fi comics but a lot of this lack interesting ideas or locals.
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>>79031594
I-I'm sorry PC Principal but normies don't know what Science Fantasy is!
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>>79031632
God, this shit is so boring.
There's not even TnA or even any Fucbois what is this
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>>79031708
This isn't even how fucking indroctination works you fucking hack did this guy seriously write ME2?
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>>79031752
I wish we saw more of Pavlan than it's fucking moon
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>>79031774
I thought Turians worshiped concepts and spirtis
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>>79026700
>It fall apart a bit when you get to Rannoch since it just feels dumb for the Quarians to invade suddenly in the middle of the Reaper invasion

It actually makes some sense, if the geth were getting Reaper advancements the quarians would have no choice but to launch an all-out assault before the geth got so advanced that there was nothing the quarians could do to stop them (especially since the Reapers were increasing their hostility to organic life). It was a preemptive war aiming to preempt total quarian extinction.
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>>79031811
Well it was a bit more than that.
The Quarians got a code that fucked up Geth intelligence. It was the thing Tali's dad worked on. The Geth didn't go to the Reapers until they were inflicted with the code. So, again, it was kind of weird they went to re-invade their homeworld in the middle of a massive invasion
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>>79031876
>Saren literally starts a new religion

uh
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>>79031850
>it was kind of weird they went to re-invade their homeworld in the middle of a massive invasion

A now or never kind of deal? They lost Tali's dad and the whole ship he was on because of a heretic geth attack, so again preemptive because it only took one Reaper (Sovereign) to amass a heretic army to its side. A whole Reaper invasion holds the possibility of even more geth turning heretics.

It might have been a bad idea in hindsight but it makes sense given the paranoia and defensive seclusion of quarian society. They're basically the Jews of the universe
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>>79031939
>>79031907
>Jews of the universe

Uh no the Jews are the Volus
The Quarians were the Gypsys with Space AIDS

Get your racism straight
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>>79031052
It wasn't an AI > Organics thing.

The Reapers were created by the Levianthan guys for the purpose of preserving life. They do this not out of kindness, but because the races they enslaved kept destroying themselves by creating AI that would eventually turn into a Terminator War.

The Reapers came to the truly robotic conclusion that the best way to preserve life was to prune it every 50,000 years and use the life to produce new Reapers, organic and synthetic beings in one.

And of course this lead to them turning on their creators and turning them into a Reaper as well.

Pretty basic, but it works as a backstory as far as I'm concerned.
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>>79031957
>>79031963
The only problem is that it's totally illogical
>Let's become giant organic machines that kill everything so they're never be war!

All this shit with Saren feels so tangential to the Illusive MAn
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>>79031488
>>79031518
Geth were used at all levels of their society.

You know what would have been cool?

Ardat-Yakshi being exactly as Morinth said and not a lie. That the Asari were keeping their evolution secret from the rest of the galaxy. They were already a step ahead by having every single one of them be biotic due to the experiments conducted on them by the Protheans. The idea that they were secretly all becoming Ardat-Yakshi as part of their genetic destiny would have been AMAZING.

Reapers could have instead been trying to harvest people because of Element Zero like the original fear, but not entirely because of the stars simply dying...but because organic life starts to transcend the physical realm and you get things like the Ardat Yakshi that just keep evolving and feeding on the minds of sapient life.

So you create these eternal sentinels that are forever frozen and stagnate, never capable of evolving organically to keep watch over the galaxy.

And of course you get an Asari civil war that's a clusterfuck for them an all levels culturally, religiously...you name it.

You could have set up for a whole new stage of the game. Keep the Reapers around to stop the oncoming evolution of the Asari and other races (more can be revealed on the cusp or hidden or something) and maybe some from previous cullings that were able to hide and become dormant as the Reapers harvested their food sources and then awoke when they felt the Ardat Yakshi
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>>79032006
Aren't Specters supposed to be somewhat covert
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>>79031957
>genocided and forced to band together for survival
>hated and abused everywhere they go
>exchange military secrets and weapon advancements with the galaxy's foremost military power

The quarians are the Jews of the universe and the turians are the 'Muricans.

The volus are an extant branch of the Jews
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>>79032006
>The only problem is that it's totally illogical

Robot Wars are never totally logical in fiction.

>Let's become giant organic machines that kill everything so they're never be war!

They didn't want to become Reapers. They wanted to maintain their empire. The Reapers turned on them.

>>79032022
Is James Bond covert?
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>>79032022
Spectres do whatever the fuck they want, they're the Chicago cops of the Mass Effect universe
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>>79031963
>It wasn't an AI > Organics thing.
That's exactly what it was, the Reapers explicitly say that AI can wipe out all life in the galaxy so that nothing ever grows or evolves again, because apparently AI are that much a threat. Even though

>You defeat AI
>Protheans defeated AI
>Reapers obviously existed so AI didn't stop them either

It was stupid and baseless.
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>>79032076
They say that organics and synthetics cannot coexist and will wipe each other out.
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>>79032076
>Protheans defeated AI

In a pyrrhic victory kind of way, Javik even mentions his cycle had an AI race that was a lot like the geth; when they turned against their creators the Protheans had to destroy the entire solar system and kill billions to stop them
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>>79032051
>>79032041
>>79032049
>>79032049
At least James Bond keeps the illusion of being covert. Saren is starting his own religion. I'd think the Citadel would frown on that especially when it involves a Protheon artifact.

>>79032020
An evolutionary war is a bit beyond the scope of something like this, but I would have loved to read that. Complicated mind stuff is more in the realm of comic books or books than AAA video games.
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>>79032020
Cont

I also came up with the idea for the next trilogy that you get the choice of becoming Reaper or evolving even further down the Biotic line. Either get crazy tech implanted in you/transform into it or you start to evolve along the path of the Ardat Yakshi and whatever crazy stuff you want to come with as powers for that.
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>>79032076
>It was stupid and baseless.

How? It happened. The Reapers did it.
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>>79032112
If Spectres can endorse gift shops on the Citadel, then you can assume they're not really meant to be spies.
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>>79032096
Which made no sense since they had lived peacfully with each other. Joker and EDI were just a weird sexual layer on that issue.

>>79032041
And Robot Wars at least are a bit more logical than that. Like the robots in I, Robot would only kill when people refused, and Skynet was literally crazy.
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>>79032121
That was basically a discarded idea for Bioshock where you had the choice to either stay human or acquire powers through splicing that gradually stripped away more and more of your humanity
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>>79032159
>>79032143
Yeah, but Shepard wasn't a Specter then
Checkmate:
Christians: 0
Atheists: 1
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>>79032096
They explicitly say that AI can wipe out ALL life in the galaxy permanently, I don't know what line you are recalling it doesn't matter compared to the one I'm recalling.
>>79032104
Yeah, sure, but they still won.

Like I said, you just have to keep powers in check.
>>79032112
I hear ya, I still would have loved to play it out like that.
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>>79032182
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>>79032122
Again

The Reapers ARE NOT AI

They are actually organic minds simply digitized.
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>>79032200
>>79032194
>They explicitly say that AI can wipe out ALL life in the galaxy permanently, I don't know what line you are recalling it doesn't matter compared to the one I'm recalling.

The Crucial says it in the Director's Cut that AI and organics can't co-exist
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>>79032182
>Yeah, but Shepard wasn't a Specter then

That's up to you, though.

>>79032159
>Which made no sense since they had lived peacfully with each other. Joker and EDI were just a weird sexual layer on that issue.

It pissed me off that you can't bring this up to the catalyst child. Shepard brought peace between the synthetics and organics and it doesn't even come up.
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>>79032224
And that was a false statement as proven by Legion.

AI were a race like any other, you even had Legion tell you how they were excited and eager to have the Quarians return home and they were slaving away to rebuild it for them
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>>79032255
>And that was a false statement as proven by Legion.
And EDI

In fact there was no actual legitimate threat of AI to EVER appear in the Mass Effect series.

The Geth that became did so solely because of the Reaper contacting and influencing them.
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>>79032249
have I mentioned that all this stuff with Saren feels besides the point to the Illusive Man.

>>79032251
>That's up to you, though.

At best you're an honorary specter.

>>79032255
there was a lot of stuff you could't bring up. and the whole thing with the geth was only resolved if you worked hard enought to resolve it.
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>>79032255
>And that was a false statement as proven by Legion.

It doesn't matter, because the Reapers are the villains. They have their own warped perspective on it. You can't really change their minds with debate.
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>>79032282
Lol...hack walters indeed. I refuse to play any other games written by that guy
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>>79032282
The original geth rebellion killed billions of quarians, that was way more than necessary
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>>79032294
>>79032282
B-BUT AI IS DANGEROUS
>Says the AI

I always hated how EDI actually got a sexy body and everything in ME3 and actually fucked Joker instead of just letting it hang as a metaphor
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>>79032294
>At best you're an honorary specter.

If you don't have Shepard tell the Council to shove it, you're playing the game wrong. Even if you're playing Shepard as a paragon, she shouldn't stand for that shit
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>>79032355
>>79032350
I agree but the morality system because railroads you into Renagade
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>>79032282
>In fact there was no actual legitimate threat of AI to EVER appear in the Mass Effect series.

Look, man, just trust the Reaper's judgment. They've been doing this a long time. They know what they're doing.
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>>79032350
Like you can't even sacrifice the Council, even though it's perfectly logic too, without getting some absurd totalitarian regime in ME2
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>>79032402
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>>79032306
No, it wasn't, as told to you by Legion and explained here >>79031371

There was no way to create a forum between the two peoples so the only way to live was to take over before Quarians could kill them all with certain codes upon discovering they had become sapient.

>>79032282
>The Geth that became did so solely because of the Reaper contacting and influencing them.
Legion even reveals that it was a small faction that decided to follow the Reaper. The rest didn't want any more war.
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>>79032410
man all this plot is so advancing the Illusive Man's backstory oh wait it's not
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>>79032413
If the quarian population is a few million in ME3 and billions died in the Morning War, that means the geth probably killed something like 99% of all quarians.

You're telling me that was necessary?
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>>79032377
Yeah, this is the image of trustworthiness right here

Free candy vans should be infinitely more effective in the Mass Effect universe if they're the height of intellect
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>>79032413
I think it was only like 4% actually followed the Reapers, and the other Geth willlingly let them leave. If there's a good thing about ME2 is that it made the Geth super interesting.
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>>79032454
The Geth didn't attack fleeing ships. I think Legion explained they only fought in self-defense, and they have perfect memory since Geth don't really "die"
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>>79032454
Legion told ya, anon. They only did what they had to do. He even makes it clear they could have eradicated them all and that the Quarians had no chance but they held back.
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>>79032490
>Legion

They even showed you in the Geth memory archives in ME3
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>>79026500
MaleShep. Just like him more. Pissed that I had to rebuild my Shepard in 3, though.
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>>79032496
Really? They HAD to kill 99% of quarians to take over Rannoch. If they'd only killed, say, 90% of quarians, you're telling me a loss that devastating is still something the surviving quarians would have been able to recover from quickly and fight back?

It's a vastly superior military force annihilating a race of the physically debilitated. In no context does it make any sense that 99% of all quarians absolutely had to be killed for geth slavery to end.
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>>79032551
>>79032544
I don't think they ever gave specific numbers but it wasn't 99% of Quarians ded
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>>79032544
Quarians probably thought they were fighting against their extinction from the moment it began and never stopped fighting, anon.

How much do you want to bet the Quarians WILLINGLY super-nuked tons of their own cities and facilities?

You know for a fact that the Geth held back, but with what you've seen of the Quarians and their racial ability to hold a grudge?

Those fucks saw 10,000 Quarians dead at their feet and you know what they did? They picked up their still living children and fucking fucking charged Geth while swinging them as fucking bats.
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>>79032585
Man, you'd think that after all this the Illusive Man would be more recognized as "the first human on Pavlan and that human that stopped Saren that one time he tried to make a crazy religion" but you know what do I know.
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>>79025973
I always wondered where that "fucking a star, there's an idea" edit came from
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>>79032544
Shit, look at Japan. They had a population of 70 million in 1945. The nukes killed a miniscule fraction of that and it was still enough for the entire nation to surrender.

>>79032572
You can work it out for yourself. It's stated that the Migrant Fleet has about 50,000 ships that hold seventeen million quarians. Very few quarians live outside the Fleet except for those on their Pilgrimage or the ones captured and enslaved. It's also mentioned that billions of quarians died in the Morning War.
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>>79032611
Did you all enjoy it????
Do you want more????
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>>79032601
It would be foolish of the quarians to do that seeing as it would make their environment even more hazardous for them. Nuking their own planet (which isn't mentioned anywhere) would basically be like giving up on it forever.
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>>79032521
>MaleShep.

Wrong.
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>>79032633
Do Homeworlds
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>>79032666
You really want fucking Homeworlds.
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>>79032675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQTENuQYgjM
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>>79032675
Make a new thread you can't do the whole series in this one
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>>79032652
I don't know what you want man, you were told what happened and that the Geth didn't do anything excessive. Blame the bad writers for making the death toll so ridiculous

Or maybe the Quarians pulling a holocaust and lying about how many died.

>IT WAS 3 BILLION
>NO 4
>6
>70 BILLION QUARIANS DIED
>Isn't that more than you've ever had...?
>GETH SYMPATHIZER
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>>79032683
You're right, hold on
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>>79032708
Yeah, sure, it's bad writing, but the ridiculous nature of the death toll makes the whole "geth only did what had to be done" argument equally ridiculous
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>>79032731
Legion is too chill not to trust, anon.

#1 sniper
#1 buddy
#1 husbando
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>>79032750
Sadly you can't fuck that kind of robot anon
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>>79032771
Didn't stop my femshep thanks to mods

Shepard gets what she wants when she wants it
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>>79032771
If it's got a soul you can fuck it.
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Actuallty I'm going to sleep good night
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>>79032660
Women are physically incapable of achieving brutality; it's just a cruel fact of nature.
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>>79032771
Now I'm not saying you're a liar but I've seen evidence to the contrary
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>>79032026
I'm an Amerifat so I don't know much about gypsies, but the first two sound like it could be them too.
Volus, on the other hand, are literally only known for money.
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>>79025441
>Mass Effect

If the next game doesn't let me put my dick in alien man ass then I'm not even going to pirate it. Let's not pretend there's any other reason to play these games.
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>>79034086
>I'm an Amerifat so I don't know much about gypsies

Mix white trailer trash and Detroit tier niggers together and you get gypsies
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>>79025441
>this only makes an email appearance in mass effect 3

Jesus fuck I hate it
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>>79036011
Amerifats think niggers are bad. They ain't even seen bad til they've met little Rumania...
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>>79030694
>Seriously, what Asari doesn't have biotics?
I seem to recall Liara saying that a few didn't have natural abilities.
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>>79030798
>Reminder that the true canon of ME3 was to be that the Reapers were trying to stop the early death of all stars in the galaxy due to overuse of element zero. That's what the dropped plotline of the star in ME2 was leading into
Still mad.
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