There's room to write something pretty good about Miss America and how she's essentially slumming it to play hero, because her home universe is a literal utopia. One of the major threads running throughout the Culture sci-fi series is the the central civilization trying to justify or add meaning to their utopian existence, and I feel that's something you could tackle with America Chavez too. I mean in the harshest reading of her motives she's basically just on a "gap yah" to feel good about herself with a bunch of pet primitives.
>>79018102 Even Kate didn't warm up to her until literally the end of the series.
>>79018250 Latinas are literally the nicest women on the planet in my experience. I had a lot of Hispanic friends growing up and their mothers were always trying to feed me or take me places with the family.
>>79018295 >I don't know the difference between banter and lividity in picture books for children Autism. Name 5 heroes that genuinely hate him. Every team-up with Spider-Man starts with him annoying them and ends with them telling him he's such a great guy.
>>79018589 Nope. Face it tiger, your husbandu's a Mary Sue.
I will admit that I've never actually seen Peter and Clint reconcile though they're constantly giving each other shit. Even in his issue of Avenging Spider-Man it ends with Peter showing him more compassion than Clint ever did.
>>79017883 >Heinberg's original series Enjoyable but overrated with some dumb stuff in there (MUH RAPE being Kate's backstory).
>Dark Reign mini Great up until the end when status quo reset happens. Introduces some great characters though.
>Children's Crusade It's shit.
>Gillen's run You'll either love it or hate it. Personally I think it's shit and embodies everything wrong with modern "hip" Marvel comics: an over reliance on appearing progressive, characters yammering on in pointlessly "quirky" ways, completely destroying past characterization to pull things out of your ass (both Miss America being a lesbian and Prodigy being bisexual are complete ass pulls), etc.
>>79018779 Jonah's a hero by virtue of getting completely unbiased news out to the masses, he's one of the few that doesn't buckle and cave the instant a "hero" tries to tell him they think he's full of shit.
>>79018680 >Hawkeye Harmless banter = hate now? >Jonah Not a superhero. Not even a regular hero. >Falcon Nope. Falcon's just a straightman, like every hero is any time Spider-Man or Deadpool shows up. >Wasp I'm not sure about this, but then again it's Wasp so I doubt anyone knows or cares what her opinion on other people is. >A-lot of X-Men None of them hate him. Jesus, you might as well have said 'Wolverine', you casual.
>>79019653 Maybe, most big 2 characters aren't very complex. MAC's one-note is a very fun note atleast. I don't typically like female characters, but teenage multiverse traveling space-hipster with thunder thighs is too good to pass up.
>>79017368 There really isn't a clear reason. She was a bitch one time in vengeance along with the latina stereotype, and being a wannabe hero with a bit too much pride which is why she bitched out on she-hulk. Gillen took the bitch moment and ran with it making her a bitch all the time and toned down some of the latina thing because she got reconned out of mexico, He also made her a multiversal hero which explained why she was stuck up. Now Ewing has tripled her stock by making not just normal heroics but beating up horrors from between universes and going near the beyond, so now she is the "experienced" one in a group of veteran heroes and because she is young both in creation and canon age people don't like it. She is hardly the never failed all powerful mary sue people claim, she has lost plenty of times and is usually a "lets just punch it" kind of gal. Has she used any spanglish in Ultimates.
>>79018864 You have to remember, the average Marvel citizen is stupid. Very stupid.
>Someone who was genetically altered as an accident or through weird experimentation? >They're awesome! Even freaks like Thing!
>Someone who's genetically born with their powers, meaning you're a pitiable, weird demon or blob monster at worst or a gorgeous supermodel person with a cool ability at best >MUTIES GET OUT! REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>79020083 I often see people say this, but I've seen a lot more examples of normies in Marvel giving ALL freaks shit for having their fights around regular people. For example people give Avengers shit all the time, same with Spidey, the difference is their story isn't a poor allegory for racism so they just say they were there to help, take it and move on to whatever threat is next for the day, while the X-men spend the next few pages crying about protecting a world that hates and fears them. Marvel citizens hate errybody with powers, muties just have a thinner skin about it.
You know, at first I thought, hey, she seems like a fun character, but she's never put in the wrong and is never shown to have any conflict other than talking down to people. Say what you will about Superman, but he at least can have his ups and down moments. Chavez is constantly "GRRRRRR" and she's treated as right all the time. She has no conflict!
>>79020251 I suppose you could relate it to construction of identity
Mutants, Inhumans and other groupings which produce superpowered individuals are specific tribal or racial or national groups (depending on how you want to define them) while other superheroes who have origins which are individual and unrelated to things like the terrigen mists or the x-gene don't have an identity which involves a group outside of mainstream humanity
Kind of like when you get retarded white people calling themselves native american saying things like "fucking white people- they killed muh ancestors". They are white, but they construct their identity in such a way which puts native american as their primary racial identity.
In some ways you can relate it to examples that leftists give when trying to define white privilege like "a white guy will just be considered an idiot because he's an idiot when he acts like an idiot, but a black guy will be assumed to be an idiot because he's black". Spiderman is less offended because he knows some people are just dicks, while the X-Men are insulted for being mutants. Even if someone insults spiderman by calling him a mutie he'd just ignore it because he isn't a mutant and thus the insult can't actually apply to him, while the X-Men would get buttmad because they are mutants.
>>79020168 >Sure but unfortunately she hasn't actually done anything fun. I agree, but she's still a relatively new character. And considering the butt-devastation from the first issue of Ultimates that came from just an expository showing of her powers, and is still resonating in this very thread, I doubt doing anything 'fun' would change yours or anyone else's opinion of her that doesn't like her already. In fact, signs point to it making everyone /co/-minded hate her even more. >She's not exiting or interesting, or funny. She's just kind of unfriendly. Opinions. Wrong ones. I find her use of her powers a very fun visual to have. I love the idea of a pretentious superhero teen that's 'too cool' for a costume like everybody else so changes between themed outfits instead. I like that she's essentially a bratty Wonder Woman analogue.
For now I'm having fun reading the character, could change. Or I could be /co/ and blame the writer everytime a character I like does something I don't like and blame the character for being a cunt when I never liked the character to begin with.
>>79020598 >, signs point to it making everyone /co/-minded hate her even more Probably, I mean nobody got mad about Monica becoming even more OP in the second chapter. I doubt anything she does in the next year or so will change people's opinion.
>>79020251 Yes/No. That was how things used to be and on a wide narrative scale they were almost equally hated with mutants having a slightly lower position on the totem pole but each generation of writers since claremont consistently has to one up nonmutants in persecution with random retcons or new bullshit facts. (Eg every country on Earth somehow has at one point or another had sentinels) Thanks to the power of bad writing they do have an overblown persecution complex but that doesn't mean the persecution isn't actually there.
>>79018356 She's just a cunt. There's no other way to describe her. She's rude, loud, violent and hot tempered and seems like she'd be a rather unpleasant person overall to be around much less read about.
>>79018526 >Latinas are literally the nicest women on the planet in my experience. Depends. I've known plenty of South American and Central American girls and they were all pretty nice. Same with Dominican girls.
Puerto Rican girls can be cunts though. Puerto Ricans suck. Miss America is probably Puerto Rican.
>>79020545 My point is that a lot of people act like only those born with powers get hated by marvel citizens and people that got their powers through weird accidents or experiments get a pass, but the fact is the average marvel normie is depicted as hating all freaks and the destruction their fighting brings.
The difference is that the X-books are generally focused around it as a major plot point because of "muh people's struggle" while in any non-mutant story it's just a throwaway panel or two that comes up every once in awhile.
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