Is DC fascist? I've noticed that DC Comics's books

>>79010314
Yes. Absolutely. 100%. Full on Mussolini.

Yeah, DC is front for Fourth Reich. They even have Captain Nazi, for Christ's sake!

>>79010314
That Wondie costume is so close to being good yet so far

>>79010314
Nice b8, m8.

I wonder how many people will fall for it.

>>79010380
This is /co/, anon.

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>>79010354

I think I'd like it more if there was more gladiator shit going on with it.

>>79010338

I mean, in the Justice League cartoon they mingled inside a high-tech satellite with a cannon pointed straight at the planet Earth and plotted how to better course the world's affair. Their main antagonists were the USA's government.

>>79010380

I'm not saying that the company is plotting to take the country, just that they play with the idea of power and world domination a lot. You constantly has the League being called on it or struggling with it.

>>79010396
I think just fill in the upperbody.

>>79010314
Dat fuckhueg Bat

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>>79010314
You are implying fascism is bad. Overman doesn't like people who think that

>>79010314
>Is DC fascist?

Not really, Bruce wayne is a democrat and Batman is Anarkofascist (at least miller's version). Superman is a New Deal Democrat but in general vote conservative as a good farm boy or hank hill.

Diana and Arthur are Monarquists
Hal is republican
Wally comes from a republican family but is not conservative on social stuff
Barry was conservative too
Ollie is plain socialist-social democrat
Hawkman is a hardcore republican
Dick Grayson and almost all the batfamily not named Damian are pretty left leaning
Cyborg is black
MM is a communist
Cap atom is literally a militaristic conservative
Lois is republican.

Etc. DC is not really Fascist, but Fascism is a theme, and is always there. Meanwhile at marvel is never adressed, superheroes and shield can openly work on behalf of a interventionalist evil countrylike murrika and yet everyone is fine with that.

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The Green Lantern Corps is pretty fascist. The Guardians fucking tried to turn the whole goddamn universe into an emotionless controlled order. This shit is canon.

>>79010471
He wasnt fascist, he was National Socialist.

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Why does DCEU's Wonder Woman has the Eagle of Fascism on her goddamn shield?

facism is a theme in DC comics
a lot of the heroes are in general power incarnate and the people without power fear them and wonder if they will use that power to subjugate them in different ways

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>>79010549

Don't try to deny it, /co/. Was DCEU's buddy-buddy with Mussolini?

>>79010424

Give it a red arm guard and maybe change the skirt to be made of something a bit sturdier and I think it'd look pretty great.

>>79010569
uh... what. Pretty sure that's Marvel anon, they even pointed out that difference in JLA/Avengers

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>>79010569

The weird thing is that Lex for the longest time was the US president and one of the main antagonist for the JLA.

Like, what the fuck.

>>79010603

The Avengers called the JLA fascists. Heck, Captain America himself pointed out. Are you saying that Cap is wrong?

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>>79010494
Nice headcanons buddy

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>>79010549
Retard

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Explain this, /co/.

>>79010603
well that hasn't been the case in DC since the 80s
In fact DC and Marvel have become even more similar in the last decade then people would like to acknowledge

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Explain this, /co/;

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>>79010683
people deify superman too much
which in turn has created an edgy counterpoint where he is presented as evil and facist as a takedown on that concept

Facism was ushered into DC comics when every character became a caricature

>>79010641
There was a fucking comic about that, Bruce wayne literally endorsed the Latino democrat candidate

MM is comes from a society of absolute equals, Diana and Arthur are ROYALTY... M8 are you retarded?

>>79010626
Yeah, the whole point was that since they enforced their will and morals, while the avengers were pretty much enslaved to the will of the American State.

>>79010380
This might be bait, but in real life I know there are some superhero detractors who dismiss all the superheroes (not only DC) as fascist fantasies. In Latin American countries there are who several viewers who dismiss superhero characters in general as North American propaganda.

>>79010398

>that DC Comics's books and stories

>picks a cartoon

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Explain this, /co/.

>>79010338
In the JLA/Avengers book it's pretty much the first thing everyone in 616 notices when theyre watching everyone through the portl

>>79010835
He is fighting a shadow monster, have you read the comic ?

>>79010396
Now that's shit armor.

>>79010614
>>79010314
So, as long as people turn into dindus and preach Allah it's all fine and dandy but the moment they slighty pander to the other said you scream like a child?
Grow up.

I don't recall any stories where the JLA tried to seize control of a company on behalf of the state, take guns away from Jews and outlaw homeschooling.

>>79010739

>"It's not up to us to change the world, Diana."

What a crock of shit. Simply by EXISTING Superman has irreparably altered the course of human history. With every person he saves or villain he defeats, he changes the world.

What is really being said here is that Superman is not allowed to change the setting of the comics he's in in any way that actually matters. Unless it's some Elseworlds shit where things can be experimented with, the world must always be a reflection of our own. It's why heroes like Mister Fantastic and other super scientists like him don't cure every disease known to man or revolutionize prosthetics in such a way that every single civilian can get access to them. It's why The Punisher can kill more criminals than the United States' total population, but crime never goes away or even slows down. The world cannot ever actually get any better. The problems we have in our own world will continue to exist in comics so that writers can write stories about them.

And I wouldn't mind this at all, if they didn't try to have characters rationalize it in such a ridiculous fashion.

>>79010626
>Are you saying that Cap is wrong?
He's not Right.

>>79010314
Superheroes are an inherently fascist concept.

>>79010860
"pander to the other" And who is the other?

Do you even know what fascism is?

>>79010981
Other side of the political spectrum.
Are you implying liberalism and fascism are on the same side? I mean, they do come close sometimes, but I wouldn't go that far.

>>79010739
Johns being a retard and trying to pull a Injustice storyline, which was the reason he paired SM/WW in the first place. He dropped the idea sometime after.

>>79010980
The job of a superhero is "if someone's committing a crime, I will interrupt it, if they've already committed it and are outrunning the cops, I will tie them up so the cops can get them, and if an alien force that's too strong for the army to fight invades the Earth, I will shoo them away"

How is that fascism?

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DC has been combating this image a lot lately
Batman is even becoming a black lives matter activist

Explain this, /co/.

>>79010314
>Have a world filled with Ubermensch
>It's fascist to realistically depict how they'd obtain vast amounts of power and influence

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There was a Marvel/DC crossover event (written by Kurt Busiek, drawn by Geroge Perez) where Avengers and Justice League characters visited each others' worlds.

When DC characters visited Marvel's world, they were appalled at how much more chaotic and messy the state of their world was in, despite there being so many costumed vigilantes running around.

When Marvel characters were in DC's world, they noted how much cleaner and safer it was, and how much more receptive civilians were to costumed heroes, but regarded their hero worship as creepy and almost fascistic.

>>79011039
Because it's acting outside of the law's boundaries (vigilantism in this case), which nowadays it's considered fascism.
Then again, going by this guy
>>79010614
if you rebel against an unjust leader you're still a fascist.
Basically, if you do something against the law of a (proclaimed) liberal country you're a fascist.

>>79011091
And?

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>>79011081

Forgot the image.

>>79011091

Well, Marvel's civilians ARE notoriously retarded.

>>79011091
>DC Heroes standing in the air
>Marvel heroes looking up
>DC heroes are statuesquely poised, like Greek Gods
>Marvel Heroes look like a bunch of barbarians (I mean thor is literally a barbarian god)

The differences between the two companies

>>79011100
>it's acting outside of the law's boundaries (vigilantism in this case)

If a fleeing burglar trips over a curb and that lets the cops catch up and cuff him, is the sidewalk a vigilante?

Because that's pretty much all Batman does.

>>79011115
It's another poor attempt at saying "they/we both have our goods and bads" despite the DC's world clearly coming out as the better one.

>>79011091
the whole crossover was BS and biased towards DC
I mean shit have you seen how many people get killed by the Joker or Doomsday on a Monday?

Marvel has nothing like that

>>79011116
Moment you explain super-knitting.

>>79011158
>I mean shit have you seen how many people get killed by the Joker or Doomsday on a Monday?
>
>Marvel has nothing like that

Yeah because their own heroes does that
:^)

>>79011100

>if you rebel against an unjust leader you're still a fascist.
>Basically, if you do something against the law of a (proclaimed) liberal country you're a fascist.

But that's not what fascism is.

>>79010314
It's fucking amazing you picked this OP for a picture.

The very short version is while not facsist, superheroes have a common cultural root borne in the 1930s.

The similarities have been noticed sense day zero

>>79011158
Mutants get massacred every weekend, but as we all know, they don't count.

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Explain this, /co/.

>>79011011
>Are you implying liberalism and fascism are on the same side?

You don't know what liberalism is. PINOCHET was a FASCIST LIBERAL dictator. On a political spectrum h was between Tatcher and Reagan. Fascism is neither left wing or right wing, and Being conservative is not a Right or a left wing thing, You dumb americans love to use big words that end up losing all meaning since your Civic education is shit.

>>79011148
Yeah compare a human to a sidewalk in court see how far that gets you Perry Mason.

>>79011205
Sup Sherlock.

>>79011240
>Fascism is neither left wing or right wing
lmao

>americans
I'm not american, I'm just using their political compass since we're talking about american superheroes here.
Keep screaming at the clouds grampa.

>>79011240
comics produced in america should be judged on american terms imo
We use a lot of political verbage wrong but that's mostly because the media is run by the left and forcing every medium that way

>>79010641
>cyborg is black
>headcanon

>>79011214
complex pls

>>79011158
>the whole crossover was BS and biased towards DC

Wrote by the writter of the AVENGERS.
The guy that give us back Thor as a heavy hitter, fuck off fanboy

>>79011155
Are you implying DC's earth isnt better?

>>79010947
>>79011024

"To catch them when they fall"

The JL act as a Night Watchmen superstate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state

They intervene in extraneous circumstances, they dont dicate policy because otherwise they would turn the whole planet into Vietraq

>>79011263
If a super shows up to a court case, they suck pretty bad at their job.

>>79010947
While you aren't wrong about the static world, I think you're missing Clark's point. You can stop individual criminals with force; you can even save the world from intergalactic threats. But you can't punch your way to a better society. A society built on force can never be anything but tyranny.

That's the core of Superman's character: for all his power, he can only treat the symptoms of disaster, not the disease, because the problems arise from human nature. To change that, he must use not his power, but his goodness, to try and inspire the rest of mankind to change.

It depends on who is writing the comic.If you look at DC and Marvel you would probably find an equal amount of comics with fascist themes.

Nah, it's just Frank Miller.

>>79011240
Pinochet is only loosely called as a fascist, like Franco and Salazar. He was just another cold war tin pot despot. People use the word fascist too loosely nowadays completely ignoring Mussolini's philosophy behind it. Fascism is a very well defined system.

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Cap said the JLA are worse than Hitler. Cap is never wrong.

>>79010569
Nigga, are you high? People in DC love and worship their heroes. Even a creepy son of a bitch like Batman is loved by ordinary people in his home city. You're thinking of Marvel here.

>>79011361
Batman isn't a super.

>>79011358
>Are you implying DC's earth isnt better?
I dunno, I don't know that much about it, but I was implying that, going by that story, DC's earth clearly was.
But ooOOOOOoohh, look at that pseudo-religion and pseudo-fascism, aren't you scaaaAAAAAaared?

>>79011405
>It depends on who is writing the comic.If you look at DC and Marvel you would probably find an equal amount of comics with fascist themes.

But there's a difference, and is pretty key, in Marvel Fascism comes from the heroes working for the american government and enforcing american laws in other copuntries, Shield, etc.

At DC Fascism comes from the very core of the idiology and how the heroes on their own have to deal with either become Lords and masters of the planet or let humanity fall on their own.

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>>79011226

I have that issue, it's a Zero Hour tie-in where Batman shifts between the different incarnations of him we've seen over the decades.

>>79011433
>Cap is never wrong.
>Idolizing an american government enforcer like that
Smells like fascism to me.

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>>79010626
Cap said they were fascists because there was evidence everywhere that the JLA were beloved and venerated by the populace.

Citizens of Marvel's Earth are literally so shitty to their heroes that even a smart guy like Cap cannot conceive of people similar to himself and his team being anything but distrusted and even reviled by the people they serve. In his mind, the people of DC's Earth behaving to the contrary is evidence of enslavement.

So yeah, Cap was wrong, and kind of an idiot. But that's crossovers for you.

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>>79011079

>>79011039
It's not facsism but it's based in the similar theme, that is conventional society/people are incapable of dealing with issues so a superior individual solves these issues with overwhelming force.

Here is contempory literature on the subject.

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0004/000432/043226eo.pdf

http://www.angelfire.com/indie/jamietakot/Article3.htm

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,778464,00.html


It's not a new phenomena, the blatant correlations have been pointed out mostly unbroken as long as they existed.

In fact, the fall of the Golden Age was motivated not by the red scarw as in popular fiction, but the superheroes falling out of favor post ww2.(The comics code.actually helped REVIVE superhero comics by puring the Ec style crime and horror comics that had sprung up in the interegnum)

Superheroes are fascist in the same way disco is gay. Not literally, but the substance of the artform holds a deep relation to the culture in question.

Superheroes, the New Deal, Italy,Japan and Germany were all just manifestations of a wider cultural need. It was an age were we took a godless world and invented gods of our own.

Through pen, bullet and balot we cast imposing figures of ultimate power, who through force of will, strength and iconography solved the issues of the world.

>>79011517
>Batman isn't a super.

How is he not a superhero??

>>79011369

> But you can't punch your way to a better society.

But Diana isn't even talking about that, she's talking about bringing food and water to people in need.

>>79011721
It's clear what Johns was trying to say and where the story was going until he dropped it

>we can do anything

>>79011714
By not having superpowers.
There were times when his abilities were basically that of a superhero even if more "grounded", but nowadays he's just a non-lethal vigilante.

The superman takes a great many forms. At one extreme we find Superman, the superman of the American "comics," a demi-god with unlimited powers. Superman flies through the air by spreading his arms, holds up collapsing bridges, and kills with a look or with cosmic rays emanating from his fingers-tips, etc.

The strong attraction of the superman myth is probably the most marked feature of the modern children's press. In all probability, this subject of the undefeated, superhuman, eternal, etc. hero satisfies a deep-seated popular instinct. Supermen are to be found in all traditional folktales, from the medieval verse-chronicles to Oriental legends. Moreover, the superman has always had a particular appeal for those whose own lives lack the unexpected, the violent or the exciting. There is some truth in the argument that the "superman" formula acts as a safety valve, although its value for that purpose, both on the screen and in the press, has on occasion been deliberately exaggerated.

The superman is typified by his stature and the disproportion between his head and other limbs. He is always tall and slender (if he is a sociable superman) or stocky (if he is the demi-god type of superman), and must dominate other men physically.

Not only does the superman not die; he never grows old, and is always at the height of his powers. He will live forever between the ages of 20 and 30, subject to no sickness and no wrinkles, but from time to time acquiring some "distinguished" wounds.

This impression of the superman's immortality — which perhaps appeals to children on account of their own confused concept of time — is particularly marked when the superman takes the form of an adolescent prodigy

>>79011858
Being above human contingencies, the superman is also free of material difficulties. Not only do no money problems afflict the hero, who does not apparently have to provide for his own needs, but motor cars, buildings, telephones, planes, etc. are used without it being thought necessary to state who owns or maintains them. For the average reader, living in relatively poor circumstances, Superman's life soon becomes as intoxicating as the cinema, though no doubt it is less all absorbing.
The superman's respectful attitude to government, and his submission to law and justice, are not always merely passive. Sometimes he will summarily execute a few villains or enemies. Where it is a question of destroying an enemy fleet or of overthrowing the "chief traitor", the superman usually fails to give the appropriate authorities advance notice of his intentions. This does not constitute flagrant violation of the law, since such punitive operations are always carried out for a good purpose.


Superheroes are essentially immortal physically and sexually perfect demi gods who solve problems with extreme superlegal violence


"Fascism" wouldn't be the technical term given most are non state actors, but it comes from a common source.

>>79011827
Green Arrow and Iron Man don't have powers, neither does Shang Chi Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger ,Huntress, the Question or Robin

>>79011148
Well, to be fair, he does a hell of a lot more than that. He just does it as Bruce Wayne, and he does it with money and influence. But there's nothing illegal about that.

DC was founded by a Nazi sympathiser, that's where the fascism theme starts.

>>79011518
But Civil War was an armed superhuman insurrection against the government by a group of anonymous living wmds who wanted to act with no oversight training or acceptability beyond their own.

And they were made THE GOOD GUYS

>>79011986
>Green Arrow and Iron Man don't have powers, neither does Shang Chi Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger ,Huntress, the Question or Robin

And?
Are you trying to pass Shang Chi or Bronze Tiger as superheroes? What's your point here?

>>79012028
DC's first superhero was created by two jews, things don't add up here.

>>79010494
>Cyborg is black

Like, Obama black or Ben Carson black?

>>79012129
He's actually black so Ben Carson black.

>>79012094
Superheroes are about presentation. You don't actually need anything beyond your narrative presenting you as one.

You can't just say you need powers to be a superhero given all the non powered superheroes

>>79012178
Race is literally a meme

>>79012220
Maybe so, the original point about vigilantism is long lost anyway.

>>79011827
>By not having superpowers.

That's a really dumb definition.

>>79011787
>It's clear what Johns was trying to say and where the story was going until he dropped it

Good, he doesnt have the capacity to tell a political story like that. Forever evil was the way to go

>>79011827
Bruh.

>Olympic-level physical conditioning

>IQ probably exceeds 200

>polymath

>martial arts master

>billionaire business tycoon

>advanced tech out the ass

>near-limitless resources

The guy regularly saves an entire major city almost singlehandedly, and has helped save the world and even the fucking universe on multiple occasions. I think he's living proof that powers don't make the super.

>>79012290
>That's a really dumb definition.
No.

>>79012331
So James Bond is a superhero?

Please think carefully before giving an answer this whole board will regret seeing.

on the right extreme of the political scale is anarchy, the rule of the rich and the individually powerful, so DC is far more anarchic than fascist

facism is on the far left of the political scale, so any progressive, inclusive, laborer-centered policies or decisions are tending towards fascism

Im continuously troubled that this is something that needs to be explained

>>79012386
It is, only a casual would think batman is not a fucking superhero

>>79011091
>but regarded their hero worship as creepy and almost fascistic.
No, Captain America said that, and later on he realized he wasn't in his right mind.

>>79012455
>casual
Yeah ok now be a good boy or mommy wont give you chicken tendies for dinner.

>>79012386
James Bond has never been anywhere near that level of capability, even at his most ridiculous.

I always figured that superheroes were defined as people with capabilities beyond those of normal people, sometimes (but not necessarily) FAR beyond, who used those abilities for the greater good in a capacity that exceeds the norm. Batman qualifies.

And anon, condescenion doesn't make you sound smarter. It just makes you look like a dick.

>>79012549
>James Bond has never been anywhere near that level of capability, even at his most ridiculous.

what

Have you seen ANY of the Brosnan movies?

>>79012549
>I always figured that superheroes were defined as people with capabilities beyond those of normal people, sometimes (but not necessarily) FAR beyond, who used those abilities for the greater good in a capacity that exceeds the norm. Batman qualifies.

Which would include James Bond. And Hercules. And Tarzan. And many other more.

It's just a ridicolous definition because it's too broad. You're better off saying Batman is a superhero because his comics say so.

> It just makes you look like a dick.

Oh sorry I forgot where I was, let me get out my old frilly gown to properly be in your presence.

>>79010314
Nah, you're just an impressionable kike

>>79010314
Why is Batman so huge, WW stands taller than him.

>>79011640
And you're completely glossing over the fact that both Captain America and Superman were acting out of character during the first half of this crossover because of the dimensional travel messing up their minds somehow.

>>79012059
Pre-Civil War the Avengers were an unregulated PMC run by an arms dealer with a mission of vigilante actions, foreign military intervention, and meddling in the affairs of alien politics. Post-Civil War the Avengers were the sanctioned superhuman strike force of a US intelligence agency.

>>79011091
Quicksilver's costume is pretty nice.

>>79010314
fascism is when a small group of people push what they want over what the majority wants
the majority wants peace and for crime to not happen, so even if a small group of people work together to end crime, that's not fascism. only when the majority are against them do they become fascists (or sorta martyrs in the case of x-men)

>>79010396
bit hodgepodge but I like it. change the right arm to a large pauldron and a heavy gauntlet (what she has now would prevent her elbow moving) and fix the weird mismatched torso armor and we've got something here.

>>79013408
Preptime

>>79014663
>fascism is when a small group of people push what they want over what the majority wants

>American education

>>79010314
Frank Miller's work is right leaning, but really nothing else sticks out.

>>79016038
How so?