Are there any comics with good representation of trans or other LGBT+ people?
>tfw Sailor Moon did transpeople way before that shit was popular in US media
>tfw nobody gave a single shit
>tfw suddenly everyone is raging over that shit like it was something oddworldly new thing
americans, I swear
Not in comics perhaps but in cartoons yes
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROOS
Batwoman and Midnighter are good without being in your face about the whole thing.
Which is how it should be. Most want to blend in and dont shout it from the skies that they are such.
Got any good Trans characters that got a nice bulge?
Cause I need to know for some very highly scientific research that I'm conducting.
This character is one--
Oh wait, never mind.
At least one
It's /a/, I know, but it's still technically a comic.
He had to get his surgery undone for some reason. Maybe he's stronger as a man, or he doesn't find being a chicken sporting. Maybe he just wants the tits. Hunters character falls apart of you dig too deep. Still cool though
Garbage compared to Bokura no Hentai. Bitch is like Spider-Man with TRANS, NO MORE every other volume.
Go big or go home!
Also to answer OP: Doom Patrol vol 2. after Morrison left with Coagula. Sandman with Game of You (although it's not exactly HAPPY representation, Wanda is a great character), Rat Queens with Braga, Lumberjanes with Jo, Angela with Sera (although her meta jokes grate), and Tong from Fantastic Four. That's what comes from the top of my head.
As for LGBetc, fuck dude, I gotta work sometime.
But if you just want a lot of gay shit in fantastic settings there's the Beyond Anthology that recently came out.
Doom patrol is great and most of the cast is trans. Midnighter and by extension The Authority, although the latter is good representation in that he's a good character but the cast's sexuality isn't a huge deal. Sandman has some good lgbt characters, and one of the Death stories is about a lesbian couple. Also, can't recommend The Invisibles enough. I'm a trans woman and Lord Fanny is my spirit animal.
I don't recall most of the Doom Patrol being trans, just Coagula and Rebis kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda.
Is there any good trans representation in real life?
Because it seems like the most talked about trans person these days is, in the absolute best case scenario, a Kardashian, and thus a complete and horrible train wreck of a human being no matter what's going on downstairs.
I always thought it was that either the crew wouldn't follow her as a woman or she felt they wouldn't. Honestly a decent comment on trans people in the workplace and the lack of respect/ professionalism they're treated with. She still clearly states that she's a woman and wants to transition though
Caitlyn Jenner is a shit representation of trans people. But she's rich and white so she somehow invented transitioning.
Laverne Cox is a cool gal who WAS the public face of trans stuff for about a year before that reality star fuck stepped out.
SM had crossdressers, not trans. Japan in general does storytelling better than the US ever did when it comes to these kind of things, the only thing the US has ever been good at is escapism, and even then they're not the best.
Japan is pretty fucking bad about legitimate LGBT shit as it's usually just fetish-y stuff and sexualization with all the lesbians marrying boys and all the trans people just being heavy into crossdressing until their true love sets them straight.
I mean, there are exceptions, but, by a made up and unresearched percentage, most american LGBT stuff at least doesn't make them not LGBT by the end of the story. They'll probably die though.
Yeah but at least Brock was weird about it and seemed relieved when she started presenting male again.
Pretty sure she also says something along the lines of "there's a woman inside me etc."
I liked her better when she was a nerd who made bad puns that no one laughed at before she was FLAWLESS TRANS GIRLFRIEND WHO DOES NO WRONG AND WE NEVER ARGUE AND THE SEX IS GREAT AND SHUT UP!
For webcomic trans people, you're spoiled for choice and most of them are more interesting than Claire.
Oh, you mean the "psych ward patients kind twisted into idealized representations" shit that comics do? Yeah, manga don't have a lot of those, they tend to be more down-to-earth.
That said, both CLAMP and Ikeda (just to cite two examples) keep their gays gays so on top of being an idiot you're ignorant.
To be fair Brock never had an opportunity to be in a comfortable situation with Gathers as a woman. First it's learning he was a woman by pulling back a sheet after thinking he went rogue. Then he had to go spelunking in his assistant for car keys. Then he thought he stabbed him in the back. When Hunters became a man again was the only time Brock and her were on decent terms again.
I just SAID I didn't research anything and was making shit up based on whatever the fuck examples were running through my head.
Like that thing and that other thing.
.05 of 8 billion is still 40 million.
Incorruptible has a great trans character called Mother Eve. They only bring up the fact she's trans once in one panel after she has been in the book for a very long time and no one makes a big deal about it.
She also walks around naked all the time, has a massive anaconda and tried to rape a teenage girl.
OP talked about good representation.
Also it's pointless to keep asking this question, liberals live in Hollywood-land, the world they see is the one Hollywood shows them, and in Hollywood land 50% of the population is gay, 20% trans and (as far as races go) 35% is black and 25% is asian. And the US is the world.
Even though Japan does do a hell of a lot of stereotyping I like that they don't care about progressives bitching and moaning and they aren't second guessing themselves all the time. They're free to give the HADU GAYU character at least some personality and depth once they've gotten past the initial HA HA LOOK AT FUNNY GAY.
>Is there any good trans representation in real life?
I wonder this, too.
I just remember that dude way back who died because of the operation. Can't remember much now, but I think that's what Danish Girl is about.
It's not an innuendo, she has a large pet snake.
I think it's for trans to see representation for them, and for non-trans to understand trans people.
To be honest, I don't really care if they're gay or trans or not. But if you did wrong, you did wrong; gay, male, female, trans or not, you should face the consequences. It's astounding how Jenner got away.
SM had a lot of progressive ideas, especially in the context of japanese society. The difference is that Takeuchi treated her manga as a story first and as a way to express her ideas second, the complete opposite of what american liberals do.
The goalpost is the same: why trans don't (or shouldn't) appear that much.
And I just gave the reason: because, given the country they live in with the number of other people they live in, it's not likely.
Okay, so let's round down the approx US trans population to 15 million (it's closer to 16, but whatevs) and let's pretend that they're evenly distributed across the US.
That's still Three Hundred Thousand trans people in every single state.
Caitlyn Jenner had the interest in her actual transitioning to support her. Honestly I thought that Laverne Cox's statements about Jenner reeked heavily of someone being upset that they were no longer the sole example and couldn't use it for easy publicity points anymore. Easily passing and completely accepted while being a successful actress isn't exactly representative of trans people either.
If anything Jenner was important for showing that trans issues are mostly divorced from LGB issues.
The only thing Jenner showed was that reality TV can make anything into cheap and easy drama. Caitlyn Jenner has been shit to and for the entire trans community other than making it more recognized. Which has been super fucking great with the record number of trans murders last year.
And Laverne even SAID that being an attractive and successful actress made her not the norm for trans people.
You mean the character that the story emphasized WASN'T actually transsexual over and over?
Or your stupid or just whiny?
If we go by the "it's fantasy so everything goes", you'll have trans people bitch about how offensive their portrayals are, like they did for that Batgirl issue.
What they/you want isn't realistic nor does it make for a good story, just shut up already.
buffalo bill wanted to become a woman
he sought out gender reassignment surgery but due to his psychiatric history he wasn't able to qualify
so he resorted to killing women and wearing their skin
the guy had other problems too but how can you argue that he wasn't trans
It's a manga but Liar Game has a pretty great main character who's Trans.
>Japan is pretty fucking bad about legitimate LGBT shit as it's usually just fetish-y stuff and sexualization with all the lesbians marrying boys
A big part of the lesbian and gay manga are wrote by women for an audience of women and is noyhing like what you wrote.
There's also some written by men with a men audience in mind which are generally more fetish fuelled.
The mocking of the gay character is more present in shounen than in other genre.
I'm amazed by th amount of yaoi and yuri (manga about gays and lesbians) given that there are still mostly rejected by society.
Everyone says Caitlyn Jenner has been shit for the entire trans community but no one says how other than being on a shitty reality tv show.
IRL there should be about as many redheaded characters as their are trans characters.
>I'm amazed by th amount of yaoi and yuri (manga about gays and lesbians) given that there are still mostly rejected by society.
I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on japanese society but I think they just don't have a problem if it stays behind closed doors.
Looking at the US and the UK I can't say they're wrong.
If you ise this logic you are saying that by coincidence trans people suddenly have a bigger tendency to become super heroes, even if they are a very small group, in contrast with the rest of the population.
This breaks suspension of disbelief.
That's because of America's Christian values. Korra was daring in the end due to the gay reveal despite being decades late. We have had the sissy boy archetype appear where you can guess their sexuality, but it's never flat out stated by the creators. Animation is for kids. Please think of the children.
>IRL there should be about as many redheaded characters as their are trans characters.
Fine by me.
>.except he doesn't get an ending where he gets over it and becomes a 7/10
>Korra was daring in the end due to the gay reveal
No it wasn't. It was an intentional ambiguous ending designed to go either way based on what Nick wanted. Everyone just patted themselves on the back afterwards.
Seems more to me like a convenient way to make a trans person your villain and still be politically correct. Either way I feel like it's a bad thing for the trans community, because do they really want to foster an attitude where medical professionals are justified in invasive investigations of whether you're REALLY trans based on some arbitrary, bureaucratic criteria? Do they just like being able to use the "no true transperson" rhetorical device to win internet arguments?
Most people in a lot of country don't care if it stays behind closed doors, but people shouldn't live in hiding when they have done nothing wrong.
And discrimination is a real thing in Japan.
That's not fair considering that perception is hard to escape. It's like how people on /v/ were saying that the creators of Gone Home were hyping it based on the lesbian characters and that journalists were saying it was the first game to feature gays despite being unable to find sources where anyone stated any of these things.
Americans are trapped in this idea that if you're going to take a risk, you're trying to make a statement because animation is for kids.
This is b8. This IS b8. right?
Wait, I thought by trans story you meant stories where transexuality was a core point of them.
I guess it's the case of Sandman, but that triggered the trans to no end, so it goes back to what I said before.
>foster an attitude where medical professionals are justified in invasive investigations of whether you're REALLY trans based on some arbitrary, bureaucratic criteria?
You mean reality? It takes about 4-5 years for approval for SRS because it's a massive, irreversible procedure and gender dysphoria doesn't necessarily mean one is trans.
Because he literally wasn't transsexual. He had no gender dysphoria, and the psychiatrists dismissed him explicitly because of that. Buffalo Bill is just a mentally deranged psychopath who thinks that skinning women and making a suit of their skin will make him feel complete when nothing can.
yes and I was under the impression that one of the main objectives of trans-oriented activism was to make that process easier by removing bureaucratic barriers to transitioning and lobbying for funding
I mean if we're talking about enacting real social change and not just "I wanna see more trans people in cartoons!"
>but people shouldn't live in hiding when they have done nothing wrong.
Well being gay isn't, turning it into a sociopolitical movement that crushes any form of oppositon no matter how tiny kind of is. These things go hand-in-hand nowadays.
I don't know about the "first game with gays" statement, but they were clearly praising it because of the homosexuality theme, see the "I'm gone home and have Gone home but I'm not home" review.
It's not an idea, when your game/story is mostly, if not ONLY, about making a statement, that's what it is. That was GH problem, it was nothing else but a lesbian love story told in the 90s.
Imma need a pic because I don't see it.
Right, but like I said if we talk about representation then we talk about appeasing a certain demographic, and with the LGBT community you can't have one that is both a good story and that appeases them. That was my point.
>yes and I was under the impression that one of the main objectives of trans-oriented activism was to make that process easier by removing bureaucratic barriers to transitioning and lobbying for funding
I thought it was throwing a hissy fit over bathroom labels.
But seriously, though, that's a terrible, terrible idea. SRS is a measure of last resort, a horrifically invasive procedure that's pretty much irreversible and not all that effective. It doesn't seem to do anything to reverse suicide rates in trans people, and sometimes seems to actually increase the risk of suicide. The university that pioneered the surgery stopped performing it for this reason.
The barriers currently in place are a good thing, and removing them isn't going to help anyone.
Midnighter and Batwoman are very good for the gay/lesbian side. Most comics/cartoons that include LGBT stuff tend to be shit though.
For trans, no fucking clue.
The problem is you've got people who do think that seeing more trans people in cartoons is important social change.
And yes, transitioning should be made simpler, but it is pretty understandable that doctors would want to make sure that transitioning is something a person really needs and understands the difficulties that accompany transitioning. The legal hurdles that go along with transitioning could easily be done away with.
First off this belongs on /LGBT/ so MODS delete this.
Secondly 75% of people that are trans that undergo the surgery fall into a state of clinical depression and wish they never received the operation. A mental disorder is not something that deserves equal representation. That's like asking if there are any good Down syndrome characters in comics.
wendy motherfucking carlos
Anyways, it's /v/, but I think Erica from Catherine is pretty good representation. Nothing preachy/dramatic/etc yet isn't shown as a stereotype.
I think Gone Home could have worked if they did it as a VN about a girl finding and talking to people in order to figure out why her sister disappeared.
That's not the "die cis scum" chick. Also I'm not sure it's the same person in that pic.
>I think Gone Home could have worked if they did it as a VN about a girl finding and talking to people in order to figure out why her sister disappeared.
That would require work and writing an actual story though. When you do a statement all you have to do is to state things and your work is done. The cheap 3D navigation is just a little extra.
The joke is more about the fact that his boner prevented him from recognizing his old school friend in Erica, everybody else knew about the transition. I think at least, it's been a while
There are actually two Die Cis Scum chicks, this is the other one.
Most of them actually hate the "deception" aspect. "Passing" isn't deceiving, it's being more true. Covering up the history is a different topic that divides the trans community.
Lynn Conway is an engineer who helped make the first VLSI book ever, a hugely important concept in electrical engineering. People she worked with didn't know she was transgender until she started being an activist.
It should be noted that psychiatrists are much less likely to deny treatment to someone presenting as transgender today than they were 30 years ago when Silence of the Lambs was written. Back then, they were much more demanding that patients wholly ascribe to traditional gender roles and things like, I dunno, an "unwomanly" interest in small engine repair, would be cause for disapproval. That's much less likely to happen today among therapists specializing in transgender therapy.
Shutter is a good comic with a trans character.