Can we talk about this series?
I love the setting. I love this world where all fiction, from mythology to medieval epics to classical literature exists in the same universe. First two volumes were fantastic.
But I can't get into Century. Skimmed it a few times in the bookstore, and it doesn't have the same feel.
>Main characters are Mina Murray, a stuffy lady who doesn't do anything
>Alan Quatermain, a former badass who never acts badass even after becoming immortal
>Orlando, whose character is mostly just "super-horny immortal person."
Also, I think it was a bad move on Alan's part to try to put in ABSOLUTELY ALL FICTION. I can get behind 1984, James Bond and pulp literature characters, but I feel it's too much when he puts in things like Harry Potter, especially if that wouldn't make sense with the rest of the world.
I like the Nemo series, though, even if Janni isn't that likable. Can't believe Amazon fucked up my order for Roses of Berlin.
Harry Potter works fine when you consider everything else the books have covered in the text-only sections and the Blazing World - but not without some criticism of the vaguely-defined magical principles.
And it's interesting that in an age where there's a lot of talk about diversity in comics and whatnot Moore makes a series about a middle-aged indian woman with a husband and kids work, but that barely gets any attention.
I think Century was a mistake. I get wanting to tell a story across that time span with 3 immortals, but it really just ended with a whisper.
The only parts of it I liked were the background characters from popular culture, the Bonds, and Jerry Cornelius showing up now and again.
Black Dossier should be the ending. Much better. A last mission to steal back the dossier before retiring to the blazing world.
>Harry Potter works fine when you consider everything else the books have covered in the text-only sections and the Blazing World - but not without some criticism of the vaguely-defined magical principles.
Honestly, in Century, it feels like Alan got on his soap box and just tore into why Harry Potter was a mistake
Also fucking Dick Lightning
I heard he has characters from The Wire show up in Century volume three? I tried reading Century, but I just couldn't get into it. It feels way too much like the concept stopped being a pastiche of Victorian literature and became Alan Moore's fanfic.
See, here's what gets me.
The whole, "every work of fiction is real" thing works up to a point. I can believe that Dracula and the Time Machine happened in the same universe, because there's a disconnect between the "real" world and "Victorian" world.
But it crumbles the further along it goes. This is a world where casual space flight was a thing in 1950. Where there were space aliens living on earth in the 1950's. You get shit like Charles Foster Kane funding a Lovecraft Arctic expedition and I just can't swallow it.
Like the fucking Wire. Am I supposed to believe there are aliens fucking around just off-screen? Do the Dursleys go on fucking vacation to Jupiter and leave Harry behind?
You can't take realistic fiction and say it happened in the same world crazy sci fi happened in, especially if its close to our modern world. It just becomes fucking nuts.
I loved Mary Poppins taking care of Harry Antichrist.
There haven't been any set afterward, if that's what you mean. But we've had three quite good short stories starring Nemo's daughter: Heart of Ice, Roses of Berlin and River of Ghosts.
>But it crumbles the further along it goes. This is a world where casual space flight was a thing in 1950.
Right, but because of all the mechanical geniuses from literature, the world is more technologically advanced, even since the first volume.
Where there were space aliens living on earth in the 1950's. You get shit like Charles Foster Kane funding a Lovecraft Arctic expedition and I just can't swallow it.
As much as I hate Lovecraft, I did like seeing Kane working with Ayesha.
>But I can't get into Century.
I didn't like Century, and I hated the last chapter. It was basically Alan Moore yelling at kids to get off his lawn and claiming that all culture today sucks and the culture in the past was totally better.
Yeah, i think his decision to stuff it with all fiction hurt it in the same way that stories about conspiracies are less interesting when you realize that literally everybody but the protagonists are in on the crime.
Like, when it was a handful of fictional characters surrounded by normal people it was cool. But when almost everyone is actually a reference to someone it becomes less fun. You don't get the satisfaction of spotting a reference, its more of a duty to have to figure it out or else you're lost.
Honestly I don't think those guys are meant to be from the Wire. I read the unofficial annotations and I saw what panel theyre referring to, but there is literally no reason to say that they are those characters other than the fact that they're two black guys in the foreground of the panel (while the main action goes on behind them, which is basically how Century shows all of its side characters) and because Moore has said he is a fan of the Wire.
>I can get behind 1984, James Bond and pulp literature characters, but I feel it's too much when he puts in things like Harry Potter, especially if that wouldn't make sense with the rest of the world.
Well as seen with the Blazing World it manages fine by introducing multiple worlds which are where the exclusively cartoonish and fantastic settings are.
Plus I think part of the setting is not so much that fiction is real but that what is fiction in our world are documents about real events in their world. And of course documents can be falsified or report things in a wrong way.
That's how I explain the discrepancy to the actual source material anyway.
Do we have any idea about the next project? I actually liked Janni as a character, it was nice to have the focus on a succesfull anti-hero instead of failing heroes.
>You get shit like Charles Foster Kane funding a Lovecraft Arctic expedition and I just can't swallow it.
Dunno, I think that works because in Lovecraft's works most of the fantastic stuff is unknown to the public, so this can work.
But yeah, the fact that the universe of LoEG is more advanced than ours does start to make it feel less and less like the actual sources it is taken from.
>But when almost everyone is actually a reference to someone it becomes less fun
That was always the case though, maybe even more so in the first volumes.
It's just that Alan could take obscure characters nobody knew about. He doesn't have as much knowledge about contemporary media, so he had to get help from his artist.
Yeah, seriously. The appendices in the second volume showed that he knows about quite a bit of fiction from around the world, I dont see why he cant use that knowledge to write about something set somewhere else.
>It's just that Alan could take obscure characters nobody knew about.
He has admitted he basically copied and pasted from the Dictionary of Imaginary Places for a lot of it.
It really boggled me how much literature I believed Moore knew. Still, he really has to know his shit if he can reference super-obscure poems and penny dreadfuls.