Shouldn't he be fighting ISIS in this day and age the way he fought Nazis in the past?
I want to see a new arch nemesis that's some cross between red skull and bin-laden masterminding terrorist attacks and trying to turn the world into an islamic theocracy
And cap could just punch his lights out every now and then
It would be a hit among flag-waving americans and you know it. It's so obvious I can't believe no one thought of it.
We're not allowed to criticize Islam or to depict the religion in a negative light.
Nazism was not a religious movement.
The moment you claim to be a religion and can do anything you want and not be accountable for it. If anyone tries to attack there'll be a horde of righteousness fighters that will take arms to your cause for you are being oppressed by intolerant fascists.
Thing is it worked with nazis because you could say "every nazi is a bad person" without causing uproar so having your villain represent nazi imperialism was fine with everyone.
People would associate Cap fighting Osama bin Skull with him fighting muslims/islam in general, because people are dumb. Although I guess you could have the story include some positive muslims fighting alongside Cap to show that #notallsandpeople.
That's really the main problem here.
The Nazis represented a ubiquitous evil. There was literally no way anyone reasonable could argue that what they were doing was right and any sympathiser was a shitty human being anyway.
The problem with ISIS is that they're an extremist sect of muslims and, when you start shitting on or demonising them, it isn't long before people start shitting on and demonising muslims in general, and then controversy arises because not all muslims are extremists.
>The Nazis represented a ubiquitous evil. There was literally no way anyone reasonable could argue that what they were doing was right and any sympathiser was a shitty human being anyway.
Thing is this has been also drilled into us by the treatment of nazis in media. Not saying any of what the nazis did was good, but the average German nazi supporter back then probably wasn't as informed about the minutiae of the regime as one would think.
So there's kind of a chicken and egg thing going on: do we use them as irredeemably evil in media because they were irredeemably evil, or do we see them as being iredeemably evil because that's the media representation we've had of them since forever. You'll note that this started before the discovery of concentration camps.
The other difference being that we're in the information age, and that it's really easy to make a counterpoint to basically anything. If the nazis were big right now you better believe we'd see them differently than what "we" (our ancestors) did when the only information we had on them was basically propaganda from their ennemies.
> it isn't long before people start shitting on and demonising muslims in general
Yeah that's not even necessary for it to be "problematic", just the fact that it could possibly push some undetermined people to dislike muslims in general would be enough for an uproar, no need for a link of causality there.
ISIS aren't a sect per se, they're a political entity comprised of Sunni mulsims.
Btw, all in all, the japanese imperialists and italian fascists got relatively lucky in terms of media treatment compared to zee germans.
Bible thumpers and door to door Mormons aren't even comparable to the representatives of the Jihad. Extremist Muslims act like Christians did 400 years ago, prior to the Reformation. Islam's problem appears to be that it never went through one.
>If anyone tries to attack there'll be a horde of righteousness fighters that will take arms to your cause for you are being oppressed by intolerant fascists
Only Islam really has that perk, since, unlike with Catholicism and the boy diddling jokes it invites, morons used to be, and still are to a lesser extent, under the misconception that Muslims are a race.
Reformations cause schisms, schisms are the very reason muslims are killing each other like they're at Malebolgia's birthday (like the christians did among themselves right after the reformation too), which is also part the reason they're so much of a problem for the west aswell.
>Only Islam really has that perk, since, unlike with Catholicism and the boy diddling jokes it invites
To that point there do exist many representations of christian sects as "axis of evil" of some sorts in comics, although I'm not so sure in capes.
>morons used to be, and still are to a lesser extent, under the misconception that Muslims are a race.
This is weird to me. You don't get people assuming all Indians are Hindu or all Japanese are into hinduism, so why with middle eastern people and Islam?
Agent venom IS the captain america of today beside falcon.
A group like ISIS wouldn't be able to exist in a world with SHIELD and Tony Stark. Only huge terrorist groups with crazy tech and superpowers like HYDRA can hope to survive in a world like Marvel's.
ISIS wouldn't be able to exist in the Marvel Universe. There are too many people and things that can track them down and wipe them out.
>You don't get people assuming all Indians are Hindu
But that's wrong though, you do.
>or all Japanese are into hinduism
Most people I would guess assume the japanese are buddhist.
Hell, lots of Americans think "hispanics" are a race.
Japs are Buddhists....I think. I mean Shinto isn't a big thing anymore right?
Also people don't assume Indians are Hindus?
The answer is simple, SUPERISIS!
Did they bring that over into comics yet?
Except it's been made obvious that they're not that into ingerence.
I mean you'd assume shit happens outside of New York and the couple places they visit regularly, but most of the world remains unseen most of the time, so you have to imagine that the unvisisted places could be governed upon by warlords, some of them obviously having some superpowers, since why the fuck not.
You will never see Captain America waging war against Muslim terrorists because today's Marvel has no balls in the modern political climate. They are more concerned with political correctness and forced diversity than staying true to Cap's character. If anything, their next stunt will be a Muslim Captain America, because the crowd they currently pander to would love that.
Nah, the real problem is some idiot running for president, not those murderers and rapists attempting to terrorize western civilization.
Besides, combating them would be...problematic.
>You will never see Captain America waging war against Muslim terrorists because today's Marvel has no balls in the modern political climate.
That's why New Suicide Squad is awesome with them fighting Russians and talibans.
What the fuck ever, anon. ISIS is practicing Islam chapter and verse from the Koran. That's why so-called moderates are never able to defeat their ideology. They can't cite to anyplace in the Koran that says not to be a terrorist against the infidels.
>To that point there do exist many representations of christian sects as "axis of evil" of some sorts in comics, although I'm not so sure in capes.
X-men used to fight extremist Christians
Mohammed was pretty bipolar
> Jews and Christians are people of the Book and worship the same God, they deserve our protection
> Some Jewish Scholars mocked me, kill ever Jew in this city
Who's the highest profile islamic terrorist supervillan? I can't think of any. Closest I can come up with is that Rustam guy from suicide squad.
Because DC doesn't want that shit.. And frank miller has been on a crazy rage train for who knows how long?
Kamala is probably better off staying the fuck away from politics.
Big enough to seriously affect sales.
>You will never see Captain America waging war against Muslim terrorists
I take it NOBODY in this thread read Marvel Knights: Captain America (also known as Vol 4)
Cap has mainly been about fighting for personal freedom and liberty.
He's not really an allegory for america in the geo political climate.
he's more an idealized person who embodies the virtues that were so important to the founding fathers in creating this country.
I'd say he should be more about fighting institutions that wish to use people as "means to an end". Or that wish to take away personla liberty and freedom.
People who want to murder artists for drawing pictures of Muhammed sound like they're trying to take away people's liberty and freedom.
I would think Steve being an artist, and the artists of Marvel would be very sensitive to that.
>and the artists of Marvel
I'd be surprised if any of them made any comments other than " the loss of life is tragic. "
American artists mostly seemed silent or " well they shouldn't have drawn that"
It showed promise at the beginning, especially the scene of Steve Rogers saving people after 9/11 (much more effective than that Spider-Man story) but it all went downhill from there
Oh I'm definitely a casual these days. No shame about it, I follow this stuff as best I can.
It's fucking lame that he's alive. He should've stayed dead at the end of Civil War and had it count for something, but typical lack of balls on Marvel's part.
>when you start shitting on or demonising them, it isn't long before people start shitting on and demonising muslims in general
And this NEVER happened with Germany in general.
I also knew that Steve had a Batman-esque trip through time because a Deus ex plot device of a bullet. A life model decoy would have been a better choice. But Marvel.
The original Captain America was black too.
My comment earlier was just being snide. Marvel would publish a comic of him, depowered and apologizing for his white privilege, before they would ever publish a classic war style comic of him fighting ISIS.
>The original Captain America was black too.
Bradley came AFTER Steve. Steve got his powers before Pearl Harbour. Bradley got them after.
The fact that in the first issue of Truth we see an issue of Captain America Comics should have made this even more obvious.
>before they would ever publish a classic war style comic of him fighting ISIS
Read Marvel Knights: Captain America if you wanna see Cap fighting muslim terrorists >>79005078 >>79005606
The fight would be over in a week or so if comic book superheroes went at it, they have a few tens of thousands of troops at most. The main thing is the surrounding nations are too busy trying to murder each other to unleash their 5 million or so troops on ISIS. Then factor in the help they get from foreign powers in terms air support ISIS can't hope to match and equipment we send in without care for cost.
Not sure I should go full out /pol/ here. But suffice to say, this isn't an unwinnable war or anything, but the opposition is far too retarded to at least call a truce to weed out ISIS for a few months even.
Seen the movies, huh?
That's not how it is in the comics pal.
I thought he was before? My bad like I said I do my best to follow, haven't read Truth.
I do have a digi collection of 40 years of Cap that I'm saving for my annual training.
I should have clarified by saying "in an ongoing"
But there are too many super irrelevant, nothing changes in this mega event events to do quality stories.
If Daredevil works best as a street level hero,
They should be able to do war level stories with cap.
>"in an ongoing"
Marvel Knights: Captain America was an ongoing, just like almost all of the original MK line-up. It's basically Captain America vol. 4, lasted for 32 issues before getting relaunched with Brubaker's run.
As such, it's in the "40 years of Cap" CD-ROM (that's what you have, right?)
Well, fuck... My bad anon. Had it in mind that was a mini... I'm not usually this bad. Think it's time for bed.
That's exactly what I have. When I read it, I'm going to remember this thread, heh.
>didnt the original cap die already?
Casual detected. He died after Civil War but came back less than 2 years later.
A year ago he lost his super soldier serum and he's an old man for the time being, but very much alive
Off the top of my head: Black Panther villains like Man-Ape and Killmonger, Silver Samurai, Iron Nail, Tombstone, Chemistro, Mr. Negative, Cottonmouth, Centurius, Lobo brothers, Puma and Lady Deathstrike
Nah, he should fight muh eebul dictator oppressing dem freedomz and leave when the shit hits the fan and ISIS emerge from the ashes of the fight. Like the true american that he is.
Then explain this comic that came out less than a year ago, where a muslim terrorist got his hands on a Magical Weapon and used it in his Holy War.
Further confirmation that most of /co/ doesn't read comics
Those artists also mock Catholics and Jews without fearing for their lives.
Artwork like Piss Christ is specifically praised because it "challenges the unassailability of religious dogma", except when Islam is involved, in which case it becomes "well, they're a religion of peace, you shouldn't have made them kill you".
>Literally nobody in the West supports ISIS.
For fucks sake /co/ how stupid can you be? Isis attacks EVERY enemy of murrika, and leaves israel alone. Isis was foudned by people trained by the mossad and uses equipment that americans left in irak, It took 4 days for the russians to get more results in syria than a whole year of american "bombings". Isis was formed by the same people that were called "rebels" in syria (almost none of them were syrian). McCain joined and primised support to those rebels, half of the people in pic related joined Isis.
Why Captain America doesnt fight Isis??
Isis is not an enemy of america, america is not in war with Isis, and Isis Fights for american interests in the region: desestabilice the region, weaken the secular countries, and protect the saudi and israeli interests.
The big media, like disney is in the same trainn and the American elite and politicians, to create fun stuff that will makes you forget about the real world, create Republican drones and controlled Democrat opossition.
Villain of the week. Heimdall crashes to Earth and this guy stals his sword.
Without Heindall guarding Bifrost, its broken and portals open that causes a bunch of Asgradian creatures to invade the Earth.
To stop him they have to beat this guy and give the sword back to Heimdall, so Black Knighta and Valkyrie (the best swordsmen in the MU according to the comic) fight him along with SHIELD.
That story sets up the plot of the rest of the series.
I vaguely remember seeing posts about this guy on my tumblr dashboard. Without commentary about the fact that he was extremist. Which was kinda weird, since half of the scans I see are posted by one of those Harley Quinn fangirls.
If you're wondering why I'd follow someone like that, she posts more pages than anyone on /co/ besides actual scanners and storytimers.
Daesh aren't a credible threat on anything like the same scale as the Nazis, OP.
I'm not going to tell you he wouldn't fight them, but it's like this: daesh hasn't taken ground in over a year. They have a slick PR operation and that's about it; they don't have a credible military and that one time that the Iraqi army ran away from them was more to do with being in a town that was, at that time, convinced that daesh was going to run it better than to do with facing a fearsome enemy. The next major engagement they had after that, they came with 9000 troops against a town with maybe 1400 defenders, and they were held off for months and eventually forced to retreat.
Besides which, the Avengers don't do geopolitics except when writers are being retards, and even if Cap were still in the US military (which he hasn't been for a long time), he's not in the air force, which is the only branch cleared for combat operations against daesh right now.
Why would he need to fight Trump? Trump's just another Ross Perot.
>You don't get people assuming all Indians are Hindu
Yes you absolutely do. It's just that a lot of people don't know the difference between Arab and Indian and therefore assume that the Indians are Arabs thus are Muslims. The irony being that they could just be Indian Muslims, but if they knew they were Indians they'd assume they were hindu.