Best event coming out from big two in years. You must be dense if you think otherwise.
Just put the ''le marvel is bad'' meme aside and embrace the truth.
Felt like Geoff Johns was sleeping in the years leading up to it but hot damn if he didn't wake the fuck up.
Then again Johns getting to write Lex and Snart saving the day is just really cool.
Boom. Being second best ain't bad for SW. Between pacing and "this cool thing happened off panel, let's talk about it" really knocked it down.
Forever Evil got all the right stuff for it and wrapped it up in a nice crazy package.
I'm as Marvelfag as they come, bought every issue because muh Ribic, and found it kinda underwhelming.
I didn't even read the 70+ issues of build-up in Avengers, fuck all that noise. Just those 9 issues in itself have a lot of shit that goes nowhere or gets completely glossed over. Seriously, they add an extra issue to shove in some stuff, and just timeskip right over all the interesting bits anyway? The fuck Hicky?
I can only imagine how pissed I'd be if I HAD read all the other shit first.
>they add an extra issue to shove in some stuff
No they didn't. Issue 7 was supposed to be double-sized, but because Ribic was taking too long, they split it in half and bumped issue 8 to 9 so he'd have more time.
The actual page count didn't change when they added issue 9, all they did was turn a double-sized issue into two single sized issue.
The Secret Wars that appeared on Alex Ross covers was probably great, too bad those were a fucking lie as well.
I'm beyond pissed with what Hickman did with Ultimate Reed, like fuck, he just wrote him the worst at the end with the betrayal and the way it was done.
Also I'm sad about how Johnny and Ben just fucking got left behind. Also, there really wasn't much of anything that could be considered spoilerish
except Reed living I guess?
I'll let you know in about a year, I decided to get a torrent of it so i could at least understand whats going on in marvel currently, part one of the torrents is 3.5 gigs
Starting at secret wars 1
Lets see if it leaves me as suicidal as the month i spent reading all of civil war and it's tie ins
It's the worst event in years, not just because of its quality (which is comparable to most other modern events) but because of its buildup. Most other events just come and go with little fanfare, but Secret Wars was the culmination of 3 years of storytelling, with none of those stories actually mattering come time for the event itself. It's one thing to have a shitty event, Marvel has had plenty in its day, but it's a whole different thing to have dozens of characters and plot points stretched out over years and years of comics that end up either unceremoniously dropped or given a huge anti-climax.
>Most other events just come and go with little fanfare
I'm sad OG Beyonder never appeared anywhere.
>D-Don't worry anon, he'll be in there this issue
Are you denying it? Marvel is always going from one event to the next. The buildup is at most a few months in advance, to get ready for the latest Summer blockbuster event, after which you have the typical aftermath and then the leadup to the next one. Which isn't comparable to years and years of Hickman telling you he's crafted this huge saga and it'll have some payoff in the end.
Wait, it's not over.
Holy fuck I've been waiting forever and Civil War II is already starting.
Time to catch up with Avengers/New Avengers.
Any other good run in recent marvel?
This "all-new, all-diferent" thing is annoying me, sounds like I should stop after Axis and Secret Wars.
>Wait, it's not over.
It is. This was the last issue.
>Any other good run in recent marvel?
You mean as part of ANAD or just recent runs in general? For ANAD, Vision, Ultimates, Totally Awesome Hulk, Herc, Starbrand/Nightmask, New Avengers, and Sam Wilson: Captain America have been pretty good.
Multiversity was better.
It even did the whole "trick villain into saying the wrong thing after outsmarting him" bit better.
>Secret Wars was the culmination of 3 years of storytelling
Not at all. It started in Hickman's Dark Reign Fantastic Four 7 years ago.
Hickman's the only big 2 writer who can plan for more than 2 issues at a time.
reading the first secret wars and wow. what a different time.
>captian america talking about how reed is the most compassionate superhero
>ironman's jet skates
>wolverine's a ignorant hot head
>shulkie being adorable and behaving like a teenage girl
>everyone's racist as hell against the xmen for no reason.
>villains not respecting doom
most of the leading up to the event was barely hand-waved and it was a boring Doom/Reed fight scene at the end, the didn't even explore the chances of having different versions of other characters being implicated in the fight, or the intrigues of the barons of Doom
I mean, the idea was good but the execution was lacking
6/10 for being wasted oportunities: the event
>Civil War war was good by comparison
Oh ok, you're just delusional.
>le nothing happens meme makes it worse than the some of the worst character assassination of all time all wrapped in one shitty bundle
>likes Civil War
>hates Secret Wars
Lemme guess, you think Identity Crisis is better than Infinite and Final, too.
>>le nothing happens meme makes it worse than the some of the worst character assassination of all time all wrapped in one shitty bundle
Yea, we really shouldn't get carried away with this.
I'm as critical of Hickman as they come, but his Marvel work were at least well meaning failures and not outright lowbrow BS like Civil War.
I know, but why have so much plot points going on if that's all you want to do? just ignore everyone else and that, don't make Cyke phoenix just to wank over Doom, or say Black Swan is really important and somehow conected to Doom, or set up the Maker scheming and going down in one panel like a bitch
fuck, it really anoys me
At best I found Secret Wars Deux acceptable, at Hickman could have easily wrapped this stupid thing up in 8 issues or even less if he didn't drag the whole thing out, the windup felt like it was going on for too long before finally making the pitch.
>Secret Wars mainbook doen't make sense without them
... what? If anything, the tie-ins actively contradict the mainbook. The only things you miss are:
>Thanos getting captured at the SHIELD
Which half of that encounter is retold in the core book making it not necessary.
>Jane rallying the Thors to her cause
Which was still pretty much nothing, since all that can be inferred.
>Ultron not appearing in the final battle because Pym already defeated him
Which really has no bearing on the story.
That's it. 2-3 minor footnotes among 50 tie-ins.
>Tie ins aren't supposed to matter, they're supposed to tie-in. They're just fun/cool side stories.
in this case, it would have definetly helped
so much stuff happening off panel, holy shit
The anon is not wrong. I'm a Marvelfag through and through. And Secret Wars was complete horseshit.
Nothing like 3 years of build up, and the final issue handwaves the entire thing away.
It actually was. By a lot.
Axis was stupid as hell. But Remender knew it was stupid and just had fun with it. It didn't try to be anything more than silly and over the top. And I'm totally fine with that.
Hickman's Secret Wars was the culmination of a 7 year story and was advertised as changing the entire universe as we know it for ever. Ending with Reed basically just saying, "Doom, you're not fit to be a god. I am." and then Doom losing his powers. That's fucking it.
>It didn't try to be anything more than silly and over the top.
It was more like a silly and over the top execution of the good/evil dichotomy thing he was doing in UA at the time. And it still had to deal with cramming the climax of a story arc into six issues dedicated to editorial mandates/crossovers.
But yes, it was better than Secret Wars.
The only ANAD I'm really enjoying are ASM and 2099 (though the last issue of Deadpool was pretty good and I might start following that). Vision is well-written but doesn't interest me enough to bother with outside of discussion threads.
Are we still getting a new ANAD Cable/Deadpool by Nicienza this year or was that just a rumor? I hold tightly my opinion that book was the best Deadpool was ever written and the only time Canle was ever written well.
>Which was still pretty much nothing, since all that can be inferred.
You literally can not understand how GirlThor somehow would get the Thors to betray their God Doom out of the blue. And reading Thors just makes it more baffling since the reason basically is, iirc, just because she's Jane Foster.
Convergence was better.
> ''le marvel is bad'' meme
That in itself is a meme.
"Le replying to OP the retard meme XD"
See I can do it too, if you are going to be a dense shit then go to /v/.
Marvel is objectively terrible. Secret wars was poorly planned, and there was no editorial commitment to the project, Marvel launch the reboot or relaunch as soon as they could.
Then again what is the purpose of this thread? Le stop disliking what I like meme?
Forever Evil and even the brain damaged Inversion were better than this. On the plus side neither needed years of useless build up (All mayor plot points happened off-screen, the only thing that came from it was "yeah it's pretty hopeless").
I'm sort of in a weird spot with my opinion. See I have much of an issue with what they wanted to do and even think the concept of All-New All-Different could be cool (popular AU characters being stuck on 616 for a while), my issue is with how they went about it and the large amounts of confusion it created among the fans and even writers or people like Brevoort. Now what I absolutely hate with a passion is the ending because of what it did (according to some) to the multiverse as a whole. There was no reason to wipe everything off except whatever we see post-SW. Why would they do that? It changes nothing
>I can only imagine how pissed I'd be if I HAD read all the other shit first.
The other shit was way better, it does make Sw worse, but it was a good ride, however, Hickman falls into a formula in which the last page is amazing but the continuation is a total bore.
It is the Dukes of Hazard approach to comic writing.
>Convergence was better
>Marvel is objectively terrible
Hey, Big 2, company-wars fag! How does it feel to be in second place in sales and universe reboots... Hmmm?
Convergence was terrible and had WAY too many tie ins, 2 shots, and 1 ofs. Nice try though.
What do people think about the fact that Marvel's main world is no longer called Earth-616? It's now and forever gonna be called Prime Earth.
After all these years Tom Brevoort finally got his wish.
>It's effectively a new multiverse. The biggest and most important thing here that nobody in the world will like, and that I'm the only one that keeps poking at, is the fact that the Marvel Universe is no longer the 616. I don't know if by the end of "Secret Wars" #9 there are 616 universes yet. There will be an infinite number of them. Realities that we've known and new ones that we've never visited before are being constantly created, and then mapped and explored by Reed and his family.
Yeah but he's still wrong and Secret Wars wasn't a reboot. I have no idea what he's getting at there anyways, if you replace infinity with infinity, wouldn't it contain the same things?
>Brevoort: I think so. At a certain point, we set out here to do the last Fantastic Four story, at least for the time being. We didn't necessarily start with that as the original goal way back even with "Avengers" #1. That having been said, it's such a natural end point because a lot of this stuff organically grows out of Jonathan's "Fantastic Four" run. It seems like a fitting capstone to all of that.
>Now, there are some people who will look at this ending and all they'll see is Marvel putting Reed, Sue, Franklin and these other characters on a shelf because of movie rights. Is that fair? Is this really a shelf?
>Brevoort: It's a shelf in that the Fantastic Four as a unit are now split up. Ben and Johnny are in "Guardians," "Inhumans" and "Uncanny Avengers," and there isn't a "Fantastic Four" title. None of these characters are dead, though. Therefore, the future will inevitably and invariably get to a point where we'll see more of Reed, Sue, Franklin, Val, Dragon Man and the Future Foundation. We will get to that point. I don't know that we'll get to it quickly. Maybe we will. Maybe we won't. Hopefully we'll get to it when you least expect it so their reappearance on the Marvel stage can have some resonance to it.
Translation: this wasn't originally gonna be the last FF story but the order came from above to get rid of them, so we changed it in a way that gave the FF a happy ending while still leaving the possibility of them coming back open if the situation with Fox ever changes.
honestly, would it not be best if marvel just destroyed the multiverse, began at the beginning once again, and just started from fuckin scratch with retold origin stories instead of all this hipster-fanfare bullshite with muslim shit-tierers and token black characters?
Secret Wars felt like a really good conclusion to Hickman's tenure at Marvel. From Fantastic Four to Ultimates to Avengers/New Avengers.
Hickman's Fantastic Four is one of my favorite comic runs ever and I loved that Reed vs Doom in Secret Wars is how Hickman is finishing his Marvel run off.
It's still called 616 in the comics, my point was more that the contents of the multiverse are the same and the worst you can do is renumber things which honestly makes things more complicated. What was the point?
That was probably the best conclusion to an event in a while.
It felt more emotional than Final Crisis thanks to Doom and Reed's confrontation.
Really wish the double issue had happened, since the past few issues felt like we were just treading water.
Marvel destroyed and recreated the universe with minor changes at least a couple of times before. Genis-Vell did it when he went nuts and Reed Richards zapped Eternity with the Ultimate Nullifier to restart the universe without Abraxas or something. The only difference is that this happened in a linewide crossover instead of being confined to one book.
>That was probably the best conclusion to an event in a while.
>It felt more emotional than Final Crisis thanks to Doom and Reed's confrontation.
It was a great end to a Fantastic Four story but an awful end to a big event.
Seriously these covers/ads got me interested at the notion of a Marvel 'Crisis' with them pulling out New Universe, 2099, Shadowline, & friggin Obnoxio the Clown to fight a God Doom.
And you're right, it was a damn lie.