All new wolverine
He can see which one is worst girl
Holy shit 50% off. What a deal
>sniktboob is scary to doctor strange
It wasn't as bad as Thor was but they really need to stop with this the "the internet nerds don't like me" bit. There isn't a need to bring it up.
We magic school bus now
When (and if) you as a creative person is met with only shit, trollings and negativity, you sort of want to point it out. And knowing the chans, negativity is all you get, no matter what you do.
It has a pattern - new writer (or artist or colourist) arrive, everybody loves 'em because they're not like the old hated ones, then they have maybe a few years where their work is appreciated, then comes the hate. Every time, regular as clockwork.
People who do nothing themselves, whinge childishly about those who work.
Thankfully it's only a small group, the knee-jerk haters that is.
Those who like will silently buy the work and enjoy.
Why do you think so few creative professionals are on the net?
I think this was legitimately funny, as opposed to Thor, which was stupid posturing.
This was more self-aware, a short wink acknowledging the fact as opposed to a preachy demonstration of contempt and delusion.
Laura states that there is no attempt to replace Logan going on and that she is basically just trying to honor the legacy.
This is not hitting strawmen, this is a bit of a clarification on the author's side.
Is this very witty? Not really. But it's not "I'm right because vagina!", either.
I give it a pass.
>When (and if) you as a creative person is met with only shit, trollings and negativity, you sort of want to point it out.
1) it's juvenile
2) don't feed the troll rule
3) comic book acknowledging memes and internetspeak is not a good thing, and makes the comic dated.
4) ignoring the positive side, or pretending it doesn't exist is low move
The thing is, Laura actually has every right in the world to replace Logan. Also, what is frustrating about that scene is that page before she got very serious, in a Laura way, only to go "lol, I'm so messed up".
My problem with meta-commentary like this is it points out the fiction. Immersion is a key element for a book, and this stuff breaks that immersion.
Also its become pretty obvious Tom Taylor has never read a single thing involving Laura before and isn't even trying to line up her characterization in this book with past appearances
It's fucking childish and screams of having a bruised little ego. Be an adult and stop caring about internet trolls and "haters". Do the best work you can and find the opinions that have value and are of actual worth. Giving a shit about internet bullies should stop after high school.
You're blowing this out of proportions.
It's one fucking line and you would complain even harder is there was acknowledgement of positive feedback because it would look like blowing his own horn.
And you really can't include a meta-analysis of feedback within the comic because that would be completely beside the point.
It's one line hinting at the existence of backlash.
Same reason topical jokes are the lowest tier of comedy. They're only good in the context of a certain timeframe and once the references are no longer culturally relevant it becomes worthless.
>It's one line hinting at the existence of backlash.
While I agree with the rest of your points, I will only repeat what I originally said. It wasn't necessary, I still like the comic, I just hope that in future the writer will avoid such stuff.
I would argue that it works again now.
It would make him a /mu/ hipster.
Would have been better if it was Velvet Underground, though.
And the joke here is not even topical, but just a mode of technology. It will only become outdated when the Internet is replaced. And by that logic you can't show technology because it ages to irrelevance within the decade.
In that regard, public opinion online will likely be a thing for longer than most things in this comic.
Feedback and criticism is wonderful, it excites and feeds creativity.
Bullying kills it - utterly and completely. Creative people ARE sensitive, it's what makes them creative. It's also what makes them go away and do something else somewhere private.
I was a pro, but I have removed myself from that word entirely. I've stopped creating.
My drive is dead - probably because I was too sensitive and had expected mature criticism and response. The urge to create is gone, all it brought was sorrow,
Now I'm a reader/watcher instead, and I love the creators who can create, despite the bullying and I understand when they vent their spleen and support them the best I can.
I have a menial job and a lot less stress.
>Creative people ARE sensitive
Pain also is the best stimuli for the art. The best art is created through pain.
>My drive is dead
My harddrive is dead, and I don't remove myself from anything. Were you a poet? It seems that you still have it in you. You would be a good writer of Linkin Park songs. Your post already made my skin crawl
It's only my opinion, or should I say, my concern. I really like this book, and I don't think it needs the same tactics as other books lead by females, like Hellcat or Thor. All in all, I will wait and see. I still remain hopeful, so I hope that Taylor won't screw it up somewhere along the way. I also forget that Marvel actually likes stirring shit, so it's possible that it was the editors idea, rather than Taylor's.
Pain growing out of the artist, pain the demands relief and expression.
Rejection and fear from outside sources are less conductive, especially when directed against the art.
You see a hundred thousand songs about love and loss because they inspire, but no songs about how assholes online feel you are a bad person and you should just stop.
>but no songs about how assholes online feel you are a bad person and you should just stop.
I don't like this song, but here you go
You can use it to create, or you can get drowned in it. You think that people don't shit on my art? They do, but it's a good cold shower. I will never try to please people, I will keep doing my stuff, however, it gave me a kick in trying some new ideas.
Of course. It was supposed to be cringey.
Also, I stopped caring about pop-culture after 2005, when I discovered internet, and I am stuck in pre-2005 pop culture references. There is no salvation for me. But then again, maybe there never was, since I am here.
>well maybe adamantium is not magnetic
Why you gotta do this to me so early in the morning...
it's not ferromagnetic or paramagnetic or diamagnetic. That better?
magneto ccan affect the electromagnetic spectrum of things, he's not limited to magnetic things, that's why he can make people fly
Sure. Nice that you care rather than dismissively shitpost.
I think this is more directed at pre-release nonsense where the typical non-reading regressive crowd bitched as usual. Which is hard on writers because they have no way to react to that.
What are you going to do?
I think Marvel needs a policy to shelter the artists from the worst fallout of hate mob mentality.
Not vetting twitter, but to set up counselling and putting things into perspective, taking them off the social networks, maybe set up a specific channel for feedback from readers only.
Someone talked about access codes in physical and digital issues.
Because Internet hate mobs are becoming a problem for artists who have hug boxes turn on them and destroy them.
Les Miserables is about timeless themes like social condemnation, stuggles of poverty, and so on framed in the history of France. That's different from some joke about Paris Hilton being a slut base on Paris Hilton being a slut like some robot chicken sketch.
>There isn't a need to bring it up.
Arguably there is. They need to lionize their new target audience into buying the book and generate buzz with controversy, even if they have to manufacture that controversy themselves.
No one would care about a female Thor if not for the fact that they made a big huge deal about how the gamergate nerds hated it.
As a concept, yes. But if you read R&D, 1st act, 1st scene, you will see a ton of terribly dated phrases and puns.
Or would you expect the current audience to guess what "taking the wall" from someone means? What about carrying coals?
Language and frames of reference have always changed. They simply change more quickly now.
And we never get to see all the mediocre plays taking the piss on local monarchs and current events of 1456.
You do realize that people teach Shakespeare in school? Any dated reference is explained by teachers. You have books dedicated to understanding Shakespeare. His books are also very important for the reasons you mention, like history, evolution of art. Shakespeare is too important to become dated.
I'll guess gnomes invaded the hospital to steal some medical equipment or something, Strange banished them to somewhere like Asgard or the negative zone and the hospital gave him an unlimited hall pass
>it's not ferromagnetic or paramagnetic or diamagnetic. That better?
No, because beyond a shadow of a doubt adamantium IS affected by magnetism, not just super special Magneto powers but things like a giant magnet at a scrapyard.
That page is fucking dumb.
Honestly I have no problem with Laura as Wolverine - I actually quite like the broad strokes of this story, even - but I hate the Bendising that happened to her, especially her dialogue. She talks like literally every other teen girl character, even in flashbacks before Bendis' character 'development'.
Also her leaving Elixir to die in Wolverines.
>Dat Secret Defenders cover
Zebra Daddy! X-23 still confirmed for doin' thangs
Obligatory Nerd Jab, you're so witty Marvel.
okay issue, I still don't like the sisters and this book seems to be becoming Wolverine Team-Up, we need some original villains STAT.
>Dear lord some demon has taken hold of Laura
>taken hold of
>not taken the place of
You would think this page means Taylor actually read X-23 comics.
But from interviews I know that the artist really does. So I'd much rather assume this page comes from Taylor telling his artist to fill the page as he pleased.
As opposed to thinking Taylor knows all of this, but constantly chooses to ignore it.
I was about to write these exact same words.
Im starting to get a strong defensive vibe from all this dismissal of critique because its from the internet bullshit.
Just feels like they know they are producing crap and trying to downplay it by dismissing the critique preemptively.
How Kyle/Yost would have written this page
>Laura: I have hurt. I... have been hurt. Do I deserve salvation?
>Strange: There is great rage in you. But unlike Logan, you can control it. Channel it... perhaps to frightening degree.
>You are his rightful replacement.
>Laura: I am aware of others' disapproval. But I am not him. I am not sure of what I am.
>While I am wearing this, he is with me. I am Laura Kinney. X-23. Wolverine.
>Strange: Logan would be very proud of you.
>Laura Kinney: ...
>He would most likely prefer that I drink beer.
>The sisters deserve your help as much as I do.
>Laura: Their minds have been manipulated. They are immune to pain at the cost of their lives.
I'd rather the character evolve over the years to gain some semblance of a personality beyond BEEP BOOP I AM X-23 EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE IS PAIN AND SUFFERING I AM A KILLER I AM A KILLER I AM A KILLER I AM A KILLER.
>All these people legitimately booty bothered over that line of dialogue
maximum kek you are exactly the people they're talking about. If you didn't give a fuck or her replacing Logan wasn't a big deal to you you wouldn't be so offended. Your response would be "kek manbabbys btfo" like mine was.
But she did have a personality. You may have put it in a reductionist way that demonstrates how you dislike it, but you couldn't have done that if she didn't have a personality. Tell me, what's her personality in this book?
False dichotomy. Cringeworthy dialogue is cringeworthy dialogue, regardless of political alignment. I personally think anyone who has a problem with Laura being Wolverine is a manbabby and I also think the line is stupid and has no business coming out of Laura's mouth. If it were Jubilee or Kitty Pryde or someone, it would make more sense. But not Laura. This would be like Spider-Man saying "Verily, we must venture forth!" unironically.
Yeah, cause Wolverine was concerned about what people on the internet thought of him. You ARE the perfect replacement!
Now we just need a sober female Stark and a humorless female Parker, oh wait, we already have Silk don't we?
So i've been out of the loop with xmen, is that Angel from the past X-Men? Why does he have fire wings?
Also that's kinda cute. Laura is able to be happy. This is good.
>guys on the Internet mainly
I wonder how writers that read /co/ manage to have every single sentences of their works picked apart yet learn absolutely nothing from the experience
I literally do not give a flying fuck about Laura replacing Logan. I support it even.
I hate this horribly cringeworthy dialogue because it's horrible cringeworthy dialogue that takes me out of the story.
Yellow Wolverine costume looked cool on Logan, but it's shit on Laura. I'd prefer her version of his X-Force suit. Or her old X-Force suit. Kyle/Yost/Remender eras X-Force had the coolest suits.
LOL NECKBEARDS GETTIN CALLED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
>POSTING A STORYTIME OUT OF ORDER
For fucking shame.
Post in order next time, mother fucker!
Now i bid you farwell and goodnight