I feel like we haven't had a Disney Park thread in ages.
What is your favorite park?
When I was little, I think I would have said MGM. Now I guess I would default over to Disney Land or Magic Kingdom
Space Mountain. Might be a bit of a generic answer, but its always been fun for me.
Does Disney realize that the new fastpass system is pretty much dooming every attraction to have endless lines?
>What are some essential places to go
All 4 parks are must go, unless you really really hate animals you can skip AK.
Make the most out of your day, get there before it opens and leave after the fireworks.
>which restaurants are the best, etc?
Other than Epcot, food isn't that great and is ridiculously overprized in the parks.
For Magic Kingdom try to reserve a table for the Be Our Guest restaurant, the experience is kind of a ride by itself and not really expensive.
>Does Disney realize that the new fastpass system is pretty much dooming every attraction to have endless lines?
I think that whole thing was a plan to convince more people to stay at a Disney hotel. Though I have no idea how that's working out for them because I'd imagine the type of people who stay outside of Disney wouldn't know about this shit.
I've only been to Disneyland. I'd love to go to World once I have the money, or even DLP for Phantom Manor and their Space Mountain. As far as my favorite ride goes, it would have to be the Indiana Jones Adventure.
Wish I could've gone to see Fantasmic one last time before the hiatus, but health issues prevented that little trip.
Shanghai Disneyland's officially set to open June 16th.
Also, the site updated with a shitton of info on the various attractions, so check some of those pages out. Adventure Isle and Treasure Cove are sounding more and more like the best parts of this place.
I'm a Califag so I really have only been to Disneyland and California Adventure too. Have to say Indiana Jones Adventure's my favorite ride too, barely edging out California Screamin.
Aww man, that sucks. I managed to see it two months ago; didn't feel like fighting a sea of people to see it on the last day Rivers of America would be open.
On some plus side it won't be closed forever, Fantasmic still pulls in huge crowds. I'm hoping with the construction they'll be doing that they can upgrade the show a little more. Better water nozzles added and maybe flair up the show's hidden assets on Tom Sawyer's island too.
They already know the fastpass system is shit and are working hard to make it even shittier. They ran a test earlier last year increasing the fastpass pools. FP lines could get up to 45 minutes. They used to promise a ten minute or less wait time, now it's a "minimum wait time". During the test the FP kiosk cast members were documenting the results and were justifiably concerned. Several months later those positions were phased out and attractions cast took over their responsibilities. On some days the standby lines are physically shorter simply because nine tenths of the guests give up and walk away.
I hear there's active conflict between Marvel and Disney Parks and Resorts. Like they don't like most of their ideas. Plus you know, the contract issues with Universal preventing use in Florida
At least the Iron Man ride at Hong Kong's getting closer to completion.
I remember seeing one of these the other day, but it got buried under everything else. Shame really, because I really like these threads when they pop up.
>Favorite Park: Probably Magic Kingdom.
>Favorite Ride: Most of the Mountain rides are pretty good in my book.
>Stories: None to my knowledge
Even if you hate animals, AK still has some rides worth checking out; just spend half a day there and the other half at Downtown Disney.
My brother has been highly critical of Disney's FP+ system. He says years ago a 20 minute wait was long while that's considered short today.
We were at Universal mid December and got on the Gringott's ride with a 30 minute wait. We didn't stand still for more than 15 seconds, and had that been at Disney that would have had a 90+ minute wait and we'd have stood around for entire stretches of time.
They've added stuff in some of the queues to do during the wait, but if they took out the fastpasses they probably wouldn't even need those things.
Plus I think Universal uses their parking space better, and they have double ply toilet paper instead of single ply.
>We were at Universal mid December and got on the Gringott's ride with a 30 minute wait.
This show how much the fastpass system fucks over the standby lines. Both Harry Potter rides are by far the most popular in their parks but they almost never have waiting times longer than an hour and the lines are always moving.
In Disney they never let people from the standby line pass if there is even a single person in the fastpass line, I'm convinced that most waiting times in Disney would get cut in half if they just got rid of them.
Going to Hollywood Studios on the 26th, Epcot on the 27th, Magic Kingdom on the 28th.
Then I'm going to Universal at the same time as Celebration of Harry Potter. Anticipating a crowd nightmare, but hell, it's what the family wants to do. Anybody else go to those/go this time of year before and know what crowds and stuff are like?
Been to Disneyland twice, WDW three times, Disneyland Paris once. I'm torn between Disneyland and WDW, I love both for different reasons. EPCOT is still probably my favorite individual park though.
I was going to do a family celebration at Disneyland this fall, but now I'm starting to second-guess it as bad timing - with all the Star Wars Land and other various closures and refurbs (as well as possible Holiday overlays), do you guys think September 2016 would still be a decent time to visit Disneyland? Or will there be too much shit closed or changed for it to be worth it?
Late January is a pretty good time to go.
My recomendation, try to get early, especially to MK, it's worth to see the opening the park show at around 8:40 am.
>Celebration of Harry Potter
Can't be worse than the holiday crowds, just remember that you can't ride the Hogwarts Express unless you buy park-to-park tickets
Oh yeah, and stories. I have a few precious memories, but several were from my last visit to Disneyland. In particular, I remember that the first day I was there happened to be the only chance I'd have to ride Indiana Jones, as it would be closed for refurb for the rest of the stay starting the next day. So I was trying to get as many rides in as possible.
While walking through the long empty sections of queue before getting to the actual line, I happened to to be walking along with a Cast Member for the ride, probably heading to his shift. I struck up conversation with him (I'm autistic and generally shit at socializing, but for some reason in Disney parks I find it much easier to just talk to people). Told him about my plans, and general talk about the refurb and other stuff, he was super chill. Then just before I got to the line proper and he split off to some secret CM entrance or something, he handed me a bonus Fastpass, signed by Indy. Minor thing, but it still struck a major chord with me. Cast Members are so damn awesome.
>Cars area has a plaque devoted to explaining the fictional geologic history, complete with automobile-inspired formation names
Yep, already bought and printed park-to-park ones. Unfortunately I didn't buy those express passes that put you in shorter lines on every ride. I wanted to, but it's a big group and not everybody can afford them, so we'd be getting split up in different lines, which nobody wants.
I'm hoping that since I don't care about seeing panels or special events I'll be able to go on the non-Potter stuff relatively easy while the robe-wearers are occupied.
Parks are about as dead as they're gonna get. You picked a good time.
Don't waste a whole day at studios. Get there in the morning, get what rides you can out of the way and go exploring somewhere else on or off property. Check out the major resorts or Disney Springs.
Cars is John Lasseter's obsession and has a disproportionate amount of detail surrounding it despite them never explaining anything about how Cars themselves work. It's the only Pixar franchise that actually has someone whose job it is to maintain continuity in spinoffs across the brand. That's why they've never done something like let you ride inside the main characters.
Haven't been to Disney Springs in years (since it was Downtown, obviously). I was surprised to see that they don't offer reservations for Jock Lindsey's Hangar Bar, despite its newness, but I'm hoping to hit that up.
None of the two main Harry Potter rides have express so you'll have to stand in line anyways.
Don't go to the Transformers ride unless you really like the franchise, it always has long lines and is a bad ripoff of the far superior Spider-Man ride right in the next park.
See, I didn't even know that, it doesn't say on the site that they're not included.
I've been to IoA a couple of times in the past decade but never Studios. Gonna see the Simpsons stuff for the first time.
>Gonna see the Simpsons stuff for the first time.
I can't believe Universal went from "We can't sell Duff, beer isn't very family friendly" to making a replica of Moe's Tavern down to the Love Tester Machine.
I stopped in there while waiting to see a movie. Look at fucking everything! Especially the cabinet to right of the bar.
And for the love of God order a drink. The Bitter Bartender (a Pisco Sour) is easily up there in my top cocktails.
Cast Memberand a few days ago I had a woman complain to me that selling alcohol went against the whole "family friendly," thing we have.
I had to ask a nearby Food and Beverage person (I'm Attractions) to get a manager, as they wanted someone to come and talk to them as opposed to talking to someone at guest relations.
Went for the first time in 09 with my gfs family, Epcot was my favorite parm. Test track was dope (this was before it was tron themed) the world showcase was cool (RIP Matterhorn) and Japan brought out my inner weeb. I went again with just her in 2012 and being 21 made it more fun being able to buy overpriced booze. Space mountain was open this time and that was sweet. Expedition Everest is fucking rad, I think I enjoyed the queue more than the actual ride
Late January's a decent time to go, but I'd try splitting your Studios day with Animal Kingdom. Both have good stuff, but not enough to justify a whole day. [spoilers]Also, where'd you get that picture?[/spoilers]
Never understood the appeal of people who are obsessed over these theme parks. I lived in Anaheim for three years and there are people who go every week. Sure it's fun once in a while, but there's only so many times you can ride the same rides.
Not a huge fan of these personality types that buy into that, either.
>call guests on their bullshit regularly
>supervisors begrudgingly slap my wrists with no real consequence when they're told to
>high fives in the break room
Being a wage slave is one thing but being a wage slave doormat is no way to live.
We keep raising the price's and they keep coming.
I have no idea why they keep doing this.
It's like, Christ people. You fucks came all the way to the other side of the god damn world to sit in a line and eat.
Fuck you faggots. I hate tourists.
Are you claiming to be a Disney Cast Member, or saying this is how it is at your Non-Disney job? Because my understanding is Disney is super strict on the "always be smiling, bend over backwards for guests" thing. Disney CM's are the nicest and best servicepeople I've ever seen, I wouldn't be surprised if it's because if they ever said a single rude thing or frowned at someone they were immediately executed.
>I wouldn't be surprised if it's because if they ever said a single rude thing or frowned at someone they were immediately executed.
When on stage you better always be smiling and cheerful (Unless you work at Tower of Terror or Haunted Mansion, those are the exceptions).
Backstage you're free to talk shit as much as you like.
It's all about perception. Those ubermice only make of a small portion of our staff. Chances are that you couldn't even notice any detracting behaviors because you've already made up your mind about the experience you're having. They've been conditioning you since birth.
Former CP at Disney World. I think they hire us in part under the assumption that we'll be enthusiastic and actually, you know, like Disney. Half my coworkers were retirees who never visited the park. They just lived in Florida amd wanted the benefits. Because the park requires so many cast members, they can't always hire people who actually care. Getting CPs offsets that somewhat.
When I worked at Disney World I'd go to Epcot twice a week and the others wvery so often. It's great to just walk around and almost treat it like a public park. Actually, I'm not a big ride fan. I'd rather just walk around and enjoy the spectacle of it all.
World legally can't have Marvel characters within the parks, or any future park east of the Mississippi. That's why when they made that Iron Man/Avengers monorail ad, they did it on the resort monorail that technically never enters the parks.
Don't they still profit from by having the IP rights of other theme park's attractions?
Honestly there is no way Disney can top Marvel Superhero Island and people that go to Universal go to Disney too anyways.
They should put all their eggs in the Star Wars basket and hope that Avatar Land can be turned into something else cheaply in five years.
Kek, during holiday season, my area would get so many complaints because "we got there 10 minutes into the parade, and this cast member wouldn't let us stand in the middle of a narrow emergency walkway!" Our managers and coordinators basically tell us, don't cuss anyone out but you're allowed to shout if it means you keep that path open for the EMTs. Guests Relations trashes any unfounded complaints once the days over and doesn't bother to log them.
>MFW too poor to afford food in HK Disneyland
>Only managed with the Food-Cart stuff
>Couldn't afford a locker so I had to carry my bag
Still had lots of fun though, my rich uncle paid for the trip there and the hotel I stayed at but other than that, most of the money was from my savings. Didn't even get a bunch of souvenirs. Just got a Spider-Man keychain.
Never been to either universal studios or disneyland. I really don't mind, but i hope to go sometime in the next 5 years or so after nintendoland/star wars areas are open.
More interested in Universal, since it has the harry potter areas, Springfield, and eventually nintendoland.
Do guest compliments actually help out Cast Members? I don't trash talk the workers but if I see someone working impressively hard or give amazing service I tend to go report that at the end of my visits.
I went to the Animal Kingdom when it opened up and I don't remember a single damn thing about it.
I went through the family photo albums recently and nobody bothered to take any pictures either. Compared to the hundreds of pictures at the other parks.
It must have sucked.
2012 Test Track
can't remember any.
What the heck will that even turn out to be anyway?
I thought they were adding the Nintendo rides to Islands of Adventures.
If they are, i would say that Toon Lagoon would be replaced.
Going next month. Didn't realize about how hard it is to book food stops because reservations everywhere. Now I realize I screwed that aspect up. Would have booked be our guest or cinderella table for my daughter. We did set up fast pass for elsa and Anna tho.
The reservation and fast pass system are so self defeating if you ask me as far as their future.
My money's on some Splatoon thing to replace the Dudley ride.
go check out the new lands at Hollywood studios when they open (Star Wars, Toy Stories)
California Grill at one of the hotels is meant to be the best Restaurant in the area (with a great view for MK fireworks).
Well, they have that new nighttime show opening soon ( Rivers of Light) and that whole Avatar Land.
>animal crossing tea house
Oh man that sounds so hype
>taking friend to Disney with me so I have a park buddy
>she'd rather go to universal but all she wants to see is harry potter and marvel
>Disney gave us a free 5th day for at their parks
>Now it's all star wars stuff
Not yet, they haven't even started construction on the Star Wars land, but they added some Star Wars themed fireworks.
Is there even anyone looking forward to that? I doubt it'll attract the huge crowds or that it'll have people crying in excitement like the Harry Potter lands do.
Recently found out a friend of mine is getting a two bedroom villa at WDW for a week in the fall of next year, and I'm part of the big friend group they invited to come along. Does anyone have any tips on vacationing with a bigger group of young adult friends? So far I've only been as a small child with family and once as a couple with my partner.
Also I've never been to Universal and it looks like we'll be visiting there too, and hitting up some of Disney's/Universal's/Orlando's halloween attractions and haunted houses. Anyone have experience with any of that?
Split up and go to a Disney park singly while she goes to Universal, at least for some of the time. It's not a bad time going it alone and you guys can meet and hang out outside of the parks before and afterwards.
Islands is getting a King Kong themed area between Toon Lagoon and Jurassic Park this summer.
There isn't still any official info about any Nintendo attractions yet other than they have a deal with Universal.
That's funny because my Disney album is filled with animal kingdom photos because going there was one of the few times I didn't forget my camera at the hotel.
Gonna be at Disney World on my 29th birthday. Suggestions?
Universal should give Nintendo Land the Harry Potter treatment and not leave it to just Meet and Greets like they did with Spongebob, it certainly deserves it more than Dr Seuss Land.
As for Disney, I always thought it should have had more Star Wars stuff in DHS and that the Pixar area should be bigger and they are actually doing that. DHS is finally turning into a day long worthy park.
Anybody else here go to the tea service at the Grand Floridian? One of my favorite things.
What sort of things are there to check out at Downtown Disney? Last time I went I ended up just walking up and down it looking for something interesting but not finding anything that caught my eye and I ended up exhausted and miserable.
Brand new planet in the outer-rim, a trading outpost and spaceport that's on the edge of Wild Space. Has a ride on the Falcon, a Cantina, and some ride taking place in a Resistance/First Order conflict.
They are. Only thing that'll remain in that Kidzone corner of the park after Nintendoland goes in is ET.
Of course, if those rumors of Uni plotting a third gate are legit, could be they plan on going bigger with Nintendo.
No problem man, after all the stories I hear in these threads I'm happy to give Cast Members something back. You guys work hard and in maddening conditions; keeping a work ethic seems almost herculean especially at peak hours.
Why would they want to get rid of it? The attraction is a timeless classic. They can just get rid of Barney, the talking animal show and the kiddie playground areas.
There is a reason why Peter Pan's Flight is still one of MK's most popular attractions despite it being based on a 60 year old movie.
>Japan in epcot.
It also has best Disney princess there.
>tfw you will never ride the Jaws ride
Going to Universal for the first time next year, and I'm having a hard time not letting this get me down a bit. I always wanted to ride it as a kid, but when I went to Disney when I was 7, my family decided to cut our planned Universal Day in favor of a "we got burnt out overexerting ourselves and have no energy left to leave the hotel anymore" day. They reassured me "don't worry, we'll just go next time."
It was a lot like Kilimanjaro Safaris and Jungle Cruise. A lot of the enjoyment depended on what kind of captain you got.
If it was a flaming homo, a guy obviously bored of having to do the same thing for the two hundredth time on the same day or a terrible comedian the ride could be a bad experience.
Originally it was going to be literally Alien the ride
>The original name for this attraction was Nostromo, a reference to the spacecraft from the 1979 movie Alien. Furthermore the monster was planned to be the titular creature, and X-S Tech was going to be the Weyland-Yutani Corporation.
Once our group had a captain who was obviously tired of being there and was really slow and apathetic with his line delivery. He actually missed his cue for one of the moments where he picks up his gun and shoots at the shark. The gunfire noises and water effects started but he still had both hands on the wheel. My friends and I started screaming "ARE YOU SHOOTING IT WITH MIND BULLETS?!" when it happened and started heckling him about it as he fumbled to pick up his prop gun. We meant well and everyone was laughing but I'm sure that guy hated us that day.
>in the Disney College Program
>be a main entrance cast member at MGM
>have rule where anyone 2 and under can enter the park for free
>we cannot question or deny the child's age no matter what
>Latina woman comes to my Disney access point
>Has two children who are clearly between the ages of 8 and 12
>"mam do they have tickets?"
>"no they're under two"
>she aggressively points to her children
>"1,2! Their big babies"
>"THEY LET THEM IN AT MAGIC KINGDOM!"
>I let them through
>as the puta went into MGM my face was in shock
>older coworker looks at me
>"we can't do anything about it. Just keep smiling"
Seriously though if you are an entitled prick to a cast member you can go fuck yourself.
>"Not even the Medjai can save you now. There is no escape.....Your end shall be my beginning.....Behold your fate....Will this be your destiny?....Your souls are mine!"
I fucking love that ride, shame that it will probably be the next one to go to make way for a Hunger Games or Twilight ride eventually.
Food and Wine festival always makes my wallet cry. Unfortunately I feel like some of the Disney park food isn't as good as it used to be. I will still push a small child to get my Dole Whip floats though.
>What is your favorite park?
California Disneyland, though Tokyo Disneyland was always great.
Pirates of the Caribbean. It's ritual now for my family to head straight for it when we first get to the park.
>>"THEY LET THEM IN AT MAGIC KINGDOM!"
>But I did it before! I did it before!!
Ah yes, I recognize the distinctive cry of the entitled loser bird. Bane of service workers everywhere.
I used to assume all those overweight people on the rented scooters were either being lazy or faking it to subvert the lines. My logic was, why wouldn't they have at least have a cane with them if they actually needed the help anywhere else.
Then a friend of mine overextended her knee on Pirates and completely blew it out to the point she couldn't put any weight on it at all.
Now I have a little more respect for scooter people. Especially seeing the shear numbers of people that would just straight up cut her off. One guy even walked right into her, putting his foot right under the wheel.
Always found the bigger gall to be the that whole 'rent a cripple' thing that they'd do. I mean, paying someone who's disabled to be part of your group so you can reap the benefits.
But I feel you on that last part. My late mom had to rent a scooter the last few times we were there, and the crowds were no help at all. I used to joke that those things need cow catchers installed up front.
I dunno, this worked out for my group. We just all reserved some time on Space Mountain toward the end of the day and went off to explore the rest of the park until then. It sucks that it meant missing out on the other two reservations, but we would have had to spend the whole day in one line otherwise.
Need help ya'll!!! I'm getting married on saturday and will be heading to Disney World for a week for our honeymood. The soon to be wife is already planning on fast passes for certain rides and such. I've been to disney every two years of my life(my dad is a disney nut). I need to know what places to go to, hidden secrets, spots people rarely go to that are hidden gems. Favorite rides?
Also, are the walls at All Star Music thick? Because she tends to scream during sex lol
Disney Quest is being replaced by a basketball stadium instead of updating it to give it a Wreck-it Ralph theme.
Damn it, I just remembered how someone showed that to Robin Williams on Facebook and how Robin lost his shit, being a fan of NGE and knowing that this cat spirit display is bullshit, which in turn reminds me that he's dead. The world's just so much darker without him.
>Disney announced that it was closing DisneyQuest in 2016 after 18 years in operation, to be replaced by a new "NBA Experience".
What the fuck? How can they turn that awesome theme park into apehoop wankery?
What are they even going to do? Put basketball arcade games everywhere?
I formerly worked at Universal
Protip: We'll notice if your an asshole and talk shit about you behind stage.
Most people we don't really give a fuck about because our real job is to make sure you don't kill yourself and get you on and off the ride in a timely fashion. You;re going to have a good time on the ride, not in the four seconds where we direct you to a car.
And for gods sake, stow your fucking bag and your party of 5 will not fit in the four seat row no matter how much you insist on "riding together".
you just had to remind me that, now I have to rewatch the bicentennial man and cry like a bitch
>"Genie, I'm... I'm gonna miss you..."
Gets me every time after Robin's passing.
>Avatar is getting a section in Animal Kingdom
I can't wait! James Cameron is a creative genius. His unique vision for Pandora is guaranteed to stand the test of time and capture the hearts and minds of children and adults alike!
Considering the current atmosphere of fanaticism over the Avatar film franchise, I forsee this decision paying dividends for Disney over the ensuing decades.
>paying someone who's disabled to be part of your group so you can reap the benefits
Sounds better than shaving a child's head to pass them off as having cancer bit I've heard some people do. Especially those instances where they actually tell the kid they are dying to keep the story straight.
Do you specifically want romantic stuff or just general recommendations? I've never been, but I hear Tom Sawyer's Island in Magic Kingdom (I think) is a popular favorite that often gets overlooked, and that it's filled with secret secluded nooks and crannies.
>Especially those instances where they actually tell the kid they are dying to keep the story straight.
I hope the people that do this die in the most excrutiatingly painful and agonizing death possible for telling their own child that they're gonna die just to get to the front of the line for a fucking theme park.
That makes the most sense, you can't make an accurrate Mos Eisley without making it a shithole which isn't something a theme park would want to do and Coruscant would remind everyone of the prequels.
I went to Magic Kingdom on Christmas day. Don't do it. Seriously. The stories of horribleness are 100% true. Every ride was an hour wait with some being 2 and 3 hours long. The shortest wait was 30 minutes.
This, at least in New Years Eve you get an awesome fireworks show.
Christmas is to open presents and be with your family not to stand in line for four hours for a 2 minute long roller coaster in the dark ride.
I was on a large family vacation, so it wasn't my decision. I was along for the horrible, horrible ride. I was told it was to make a "memorable, magical Christmas." Well, it was memorable!
Anyone considering it better be ready for absolute hell and one of the worst experiences known to man.
>I have no idea why they keep doing this.
Its cause a lot of people buy annual passes. Hiking up daily badge prices allows the park to make money and drive demand down to reduce overcrowding
Disney celebrates Christmas from Thanksgiving to MLK day, you would have had the same "magical Christmas" with a lot less crowds any other day in between.
I was in Orlando on Christmas but I didn't dare to go to the parks until after New Year's Day.
Annual passes pay for themselves after a certain amount of visits; economically if you enjoy Disney enough it's worth the money
Hiking the premium pass up to a grand was the best thing to happen imo. All the people I knew who had the best passes are dropping them, meanwhile Deluxe and (where I am) SoCal resident passes remain almost untouched.
My version of a SoCal pass can't be bought anymore so even if people bought the cheapest passes (SoCal Select) they can't go on weekends or holiday/vacation times. Vanilla SoCal lets passholder drop by on Sundays for weekends, so every other week I drop in for morning Disneyland and bail when it hits noon-3pm. Not worth sticking around past that time unless I'm seeing a show.
Shit, what was even so bad?
I mean, I can already imagine it'd be but-to-gut crowded everywhere and that there'd be hours long waits for even the simplest things, but were people also assholes on top of that?
I'm probably going to be going to Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party next year so I'm curious about what attending a holiday themed event is like.
I went to the Halloween event this year and it was AMAZING. We went midweek and were just in awe with how much the park changed. Lines were an issue until trick or treating started. At that points all the kids just GTFO the lines and we had free reign of the park
>Annual passes pay for themselves after a certain amount of visits; economically if you enjoy Disney enough it's worth the money
I assume this only applies if you live within a reasonable distance and not on the other side of the country.
Where? How? Why?
I know this is another attempt to ride on Harry Potter's coattails but HP was perfect to get its own theme park, so much that its main ride is just shoving things from its universe into your face as much as technology can.
Hunger Games is a sad dystopian tale about kids killing each other, I can't even think what rides it could have.
I live in FL, under and hour away from WDW, and it's not worth it to me. Not even the $202 3-park ticket. It was like $150 last year! Fuck you Disney!
I'm trying to think how a Hunger Games ride would go, and the first obvious idea would be a simulation games where the guests are tributes. And, yeah, that doesn't feel like a good idea right off the bat.
The crowd is absolutely unreal. We had a group with 3 children (two of whom were under 10), and 6 adults (2 were elderly), we were repeatedly almost trampled by grown adults.
When it came to lunchtime, which we purposefully pushed to 2 PM, we visited one of the little restaurants. We were told "Do not stop for any reason. Keep moving at all times until you are out of the building." I'm a big person (over 6', 300 lbs, and walked the whole park), and I almost got trampled when we were at the line ordering (where we had to stop). We then went outside to eat and every table was taken. At least 5 of them was taken by adults who told their children to each sit at a table to reserve it. One table had a man with Down's Syndrome sitting, alone, for 20 minutes. Another, an elderly woman, was saving the table for 1 man. There were people eating sitting on the ground. When asked by cast members to use empty seating, I witnessed multiple people sling the bag or leg into a seat and say "No!" The poor cast member had a plastered smile on as she tried to free space.
In the Buzz ride, which was great fun, we had one party have someone wait in line and got separated with our party in the middle. So, being kind, we held for a minute and let them unite (being told the other group was 3 other people). I, again big, was immediately shoved to the wall, I dropped my phone and our fast pass cards, and 5-6 people ran by our party. One of the children was knocked to the floor and an elderly member of our group was jammed into a cordon. The cast member attempted to stop and chastize them, but couldn't.
Outside was just as bad as one group had 4 carts convoying around the park. An elderly woman and man, an obese man, and a fit woman who was carting 2 kids on her cart. They ran over people's feet and stopped dead center in middle of a walk area, pulled around, and stopped in a cloverleaf position in front of the Peter Pan ride. When asked to move by a cast member, they refused.
So what attraction is gonna get replaced/rebranded by this?
Well it's not like it has to make much sense.
Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey violates the single most important rule of the HP universe and nobody seems to care that you nearly got eaten by a dragon, by spiders and almost got your soul sucked out of you.
The cast members were amazing, though. I had some great conversations about their work, their thoughts on the park, the items there, and they gave us great tips for the park. If not for the massive, and often very rude, crowd then we would have had a horrible time.
And a sidenote to the stories in the previous post? Not a single person the entire time said "Excuse me" (or any variation thereof). Every cast member, since we were there on Christmas, was told by our party "Thank you for being here." They clearly appreciated it, and it was awesome they took time from their celebration to be there for some really unappreciative, and many appreciative, people.
I'm still waiting for these things and the series in general to get a chance to shine at Disney theme parks.
They'd be perfect for Halloween...
I loved that ride as a kid. I was at Disneyland last spring, and I went on that Nemo ride thinking that it couldn't be all that different. Little did I realize that since I was a little kid, I happened to grow to be 6 foot 4, and boy oh boy is that ride not meant for someone that tall. Even if the original 20'000 Leagues ride was still there, I probably would have had the same issue.
Definitely Florida Tiki Room, but in Cali, I'm predicting "Excuse to finally bring the Tahitian Terrace back to the disused Aladdin Oasis."
January/September people who got out of the military honorably (But didnt retire/active duty) can stay on shades of green for like 80 bucks a day.
I'm actually pretty annoyed Disney only offers retirees and active duty discounts on park tickets
Reminds me of when I attended a free ballet performance on Boston Common once. It wasn't so bad staking out a spot 4 hours in advance, but as soon as the show started, it became hell with people trying to jam themselves into a view and nearly breaking into fistacuffs over territory.
Your experience was probably worse, though.
>Every cast member, since we were there on Christmas, was told by our party "Thank you for being here." They clearly appreciated it, and it was awesome they took time from their celebration to be there for some really unappreciative, and many appreciative, people.
I worked on Christmas Day, and I was giving a guest directions when another party passed by and put pic related in my hand with a "thank you."
On the back it says "Thank you for making our holidays magical!" And inside is a pack of Rolos.
I can't make myself open it and ruin it.
Oh I love the Tiki Room. But modern Disney's gotten super-predictable with all this "Let's shove IP into our original content attractions" crap. Disneyland's Tiki Room is much more safe from that sort of thing because of the history card, but Florida's gotten fucked with before.
At the very least, a Moana tie-in would probably be more tasteful then Gilbert Gottfried shrieking about how the TIki Birds need to get hip with the kids before diving retribution finally slaps him around both in-show and in reality.
Yesterday was the 5th anniversary of the fire that closed Under New Management by turning Iago into a destroyed Skynet roboparrot.
It won't happen, and shockingly, it's because the fanbase is
I'm pretty sure the staff at wdw know all too well how bad KH fans can be, I've heard the stories over the years.
That's the "Waiting for them to do Imagination 4 with Dreamfinder coming back" image anon.
You sure about that? I mean, they already tried to replace it once and... Um...
Nothing, they only give attractions to extremely popular IPs like Frozen is about to get, Tangled only got a stroller parking area, Smash-It-Sam and Big Hero 6 didn't get shit and where the fuck is my Inside Out themed Cranium Command remake?
No. Was an overnight fire. No pictures of the robot's corpse either.
The fire broke out around the Iago animatronic and singed the Birdmobile a little, but the sprinkler system kicked in. Resulted in additional water damage throughout the room.
It's been on-and-off in proposals for about a decade now, but the budgets allocated for it keep getting consumed by shit like Finding Nemo in the Seas or Frozen Maelstrom.
I'm kind of scared to ask, but... Please enlighten us with some of the stories...
Under New Management was a "Duh, they're cartoon birds. They'll fit in fine into the Tiki Room and we'll do this idiotic meta-plot where they fuck with the show's structure. Iago's the key to all of this, if we get him working because he's the funniest character"
Moana at least is a story about the magic and gods of Polynesia
I didn't do Mickey's Not So Scary last year, but 2014 was really pleasant and not crowded at all. Mine Train had just been built at WDW and me and my friends got to ride it with a very short wait time so that was cool. The parade's fantastic, they had an all-night dance party with tons of characters both fur and face and I got to twerk with Anastasia the ugly step sister. Candy. So much candy. The cast members just shove literal handfuls into your treat bag.
I wouldn't ever recommend the Christmas party. I have cast member friends who have told me horror stories about the parks during that season. And this last year I heard they hit capacity really early at Magic Kingdom on Christmas Eve and Christmas, so it was balls to the wall crowded. Only the most desperate people would attempt to ever visit the park at those times.
Yeah but with the Harry Potter ride you get to go through the experience of what it's like being Harry Potter, which does have its perks, but with Hunger Games it's just "Congratulations on your child murder"
Lot of rumors are pointing towards Inside Out as the future long-term occupant of the Captain Eo theater. Because Disney finds Wonders of Life to be more valuable as a fucking Festival Center.
My hype is up for a pokemon world.
I have a 3 year old, (she was 2 at the time) who we forgot to bring a sippy cup for that day. :/ We weren't even expecting to go to a park that day. My cousin called me up and was like "Wanna go to Animal Kingdom? My friend has a pass with park hopper for you all!" PSYCHED.
You can say that about Disney fans in general.
And they've hosted KH events around Disney parks in the past (the most recent being the KH HD 1.5 ReMix early release event in Anaheim) and Sora is already in some parks.
Granted, no one wants to be hugged by the monstrosity seen here...
>Baymax JUST started. Depends on the hype.
He was at DHS for a bit at the Magic of Disney Animation pavilion, then he got removed and that entire place got changed to Star Wars Shill Bay.
Pokemon isn't technically a first-party property. Like Kirby, Nintendo needs special permission to include it alongside their other A-list characters in Nintendo-themed stuff. Unlike Kirby, The Pokemon Company is notoriously stingy with the rights.
Marvel basically washed their hands of Big Hero 6. Plus Disney can technically have Marvel characters if they haven't yet appeared at Universal Orlando on a case by case basis. That's why they got to have Gamora and Star Lord do a dance party Meet & Greet at Villains Unleashed in 2014.
>tfw you will never ever get to experience Pokepark
>tfw you will never ride a magical flying Pikachu or one of the legendary dogs
>tfw you will never soar over the park on a giant Ferris wheel at the end of the day, hugging the cuddly giant pokemon plush you won at one of the carnival games
What's the point of living
It was. Shortlived traveling thing
Disney dominates Theme Park attendance. Only non-Disney park in the top 10 Worldwide list is Universal Japan.
>Petting zoo where you strap fire hoses to turtles and make them fight.
Kind of reminds me of this...
>Tomorrow Land in Disney World supposed to get an Alien-themed ride
>deemed too scary, so they rebrand the experience eXtraTerrorestrial: Alien Encounter and tone it down a little
>test ride for extraTerrorestrial too fucking scary, so they tone it down again
>regular ride too fucking scary, so they make it a Lilo & Stitch bullshit experience
It was the best thing Disney Parks did since Star Tours. So much better than the Mission to Mars ride. I'll miss you.
Image related. 1 is where the new Frozen meet and greet is being put up and the asterisk'd ones by Canada and UK are where World Showplace is currently.
Like you don't want to ride a majestic carousel Entei.
Fair enough. I think it was cool to have a horror attraction that isn't the haunted mansion
or the snow white ride, but clearly it didn't jive with the family-friendly atmosphere for the Magic Kingdom. I just think it's a shame to lose such a badass experience.
Aww, that's an awesome idea! I wish we'd done that! We just said thank you and moved on. I'm a therapist and I think the cast members have some amazing patience given some of the horrible behaviors I saw!
We got there at 7 AM and it was closed by 9. We were one of the many groups in matching shirts. Seriously, thanks for working that day. I hated my experience due to the crowds, but every cast member was absolutely awesome to us.
Kids are pussies. I've seen kids come out of Winnie the Pooh crying. Winnie the fucking Pooh. But I agree, Alien felt out of place in Magic Kingdom. I still wish they would rebuild it in Hollywood Studios.
>live 10 minutes away from disney world
>experience becomes mundane because I can go whenever the fuck I want
Part of me wishes Disney took the funds they're going to use on Star Wars land and used it on Tomorrowland.
Sure it already has some good rides but the whole place just feels so bland and uninspired. Not to mention it seems to have the worst flow of traffic of anywhere in the park.
>I think the cast members have some amazing patience given some of the horrible behaviors I saw!
It's hard to get mad at people when you work at Disney. Plus if you're nice to them, smile, and try to help them it just pisses them off (A blue tag guy more or less said that a while ago).
I actually had a frustrating time earlier tonight, yet I ended up helping one family find their mother (Teens and a young adult, can't really make a lost child call there).
The lows do kinda suck but when the good comes through it feels amazing.
Plus I was told in an older job I had the patience of Job. So that probably helps.
This is why in some ways I cherish my pass. There's plenty of blockout dates and times where I can't go that makes the days where I can go a little more special but not TOO special.
It's very freeing to think 'well I can't ride Splash Mountain today but next time I'll catch it' than knowing you can only be there for one day (and desperately try riding everything you can at once).
Saving the opportunity to watch shows to maybe once or twice a year makes them doubly fantastic.
If Universal has enough money to make two Harry Potter lands and a King Kong one in a six year period then Disney should be perfectly capable of making Star Wars land and giving a major paint job to tomorrowland's buildings.
I'd kill to go to Universal Japan's One Piece Summer Adventure. Shit looks really fun.
>Never been to Disney
>HS Senior Trip was to WDW
>Super hype, goal of the trip was a picture with Aladdin
>Hunt him down for an afternoon, finally find him.
>Wait in line with a bunch of kids. Jasmine comes by, it is now a picture with the two of them. I am super hyped.
>My turn is next
>"OMG HEY ANON!" some bitch from my school calls me out
>Hops in line with me
>Jumps in my picture, hugs Aladdin. I am stuck with Jasmine.
>Jasmine gives me the most pitying look. Says "I am SO sorry."
>Trash the picture post trip.
>It's been years and I'm still bitter about this. Haven't had the chance or mone to go to a park again.
>Senior trip to Disneyland
>Invite an old friend from out of state
>Indian Jones was the hot new ride
>He spends the entire night complaining and wondering out loud if they would just let us go back to the bus and sit there until it was time to go back
>Was able to drag him on a few rides
>Finally he says he doesn't want to do anything but sit on this one bench until it's time to go back
>I just let him sit there while I go off to stand in the hour(s?) long line for Indiana Jones
Senior trips are the worst.
I do feel a little bad about basically ditching him but I feel it was justified.
Oh man, really? Sorry, anon. It's just something that really tics me off when I think about it. I had been waiting years for that picture and it was ruined in the span of 5 minutes. Jasmine was super chill though.
My sister is genuinely mentally retarded, epileptic, and needs a wheelchair since even long walks can get her to start seizing.
Would Disney's FastPass system still fuck us over or would my family be alright? How about Universal Studios?
>Senior trip to WDW
>My bro gets a medical fast pass.
>Ditch my other friends to hang out with medical fast pass group. Don't wait for a single ride.
>Go on Toy Story ride 16 times in the span of a day. Half of it was petty continually passing assholes from school in the regular line. Other half was trying to get high scores.
>Random Florida rainstorm, group opts to go to the arcade for the afternoon. To use their internet to look up tips for Toy Story game.
>Beat randos at Street Fighter and pinball in arcade.
>Trip fell on my birthday, got to wear the birthday badge. Hugs from Pooh and other mascots. Fun bday dinner in Epcott Japan.
>Sudden High School Musical parades every 10 minutes, find it hilarious.
>Get a detention while on trip for breaking room curfew. To leave my room to get a chaperone 5 rooms over since my roommate was being a little bitch and crying over foot blisters.
That was the first and only time I had ever gone to Disney since poorfag family, and I had a blast. It was cool not having to wait in line, but I heard you guys saying that they limit the medical passes now? Because people were pretending their kids had cancer or something? What the hell that's horrible.
The Mountain rides if possible, though you might want to get a fast pass for Space. Barring that, explore for yourselves. Plenty of time to savor everything they have to offer. Just be prepared to deal with DLR during the refurbishment period.
It's not that bad. I find it to be cute and refreshing at times because the line's usually so short. The song will get stuck in your head very easily but I like all the dolls and decorations, especially the animal ones.
>Sudden High School Musical parades every 10 minutes, find it hilarious.
I have PTSD from that shit. My High School was one of the first ones to get permission to put on the stage version, our drama department ended up getting free passes to WDW, got to be on Disney 365, meet some of the actors from the movie, and film for the Christmas parade. I still know the wildcats dance. I still compulsively start to do it if I even begin to hear "We're all in this together". When they had the show in Tomorrowland we would rush over with our perfect choreography. We looked like young undercover cast members. It was a magical experience but by the end of it every single one of us had developed a love/hate relationship with that franchise. Our school was approached to do HSM2 on stage as well (we never went through with it) and my teacher got copies of super secret work-in-process scripts. We had to give her $5 as a security for renting them out to read. I never turned mine back in to get my $5 back out of lazy-ness and somehow it went unnoticed so I've got it somewhere in a closet. I'm still a little paranoid the Mouse will bust into my home because of all the "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE, CLASSIFIED PROPERTY OF DISNEY" legal junk plastered all over it.
>I'm probably going to be going to Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party next year so I'm curious about what attending a holiday themed event is like.
MNSSHP is fucking amazing, definitely my favorite time to visit. The unique meet and greets are the best.
> went as Queen of Hearts this year
> Sally asked me whether I ripped people's hearts from their chests
also, costumes. Some people put in a crazy amount of effort.
They changed their policy if I remember right.
Used to a wheelchair party just cut in front of the line when going on a ride.
Then a business formed where handicapped people rented themselves out to do that, so Disney abolished the old way and more or less give you a fast pass for it: where you are given a return time and able to do whatever in the meantime.
But don't exactly quote me on that, I'm only trained in a show and I've never really asked about it.
>spend hours in line for each ride, start looking for ones that are less busy
>close to the front of the line for a shitty fairground-tier ride, first one that wasn't jam-packed
>operator stops us from going on while a bunch of people dragging heavy equipment enter from the back
>a cameraman from ESPN sits across from what is presumably a sports celebrity and his family on the otherwise empty ride, while they fake smile at the camera
>screaming kid having an autistic crying fit just ahead of us
>continues for over an hour
Those are my only memories of Disney Land.
>> went as Queen of Hearts this year
>> Sally asked me whether I ripped people's hearts from their chests
I love how the characters react to everyone's costumes. The Halloween party is definitely my favorite. Shorter lines, everyone's in costume, tons of meet and greet opportunities, those gravediggers in the parade scraping the shovels so they spark on the ground...Most worthwhile event at WDW for sure.
>Go when I'm 12
>Parents have a huge fight and split off
>Magic Kingdom no longer magical
>Get on raft to some bumfuck Tom Sawyer land thing
>Starts pouring rain
>Ride nothing because lines are ass
Disneyworld sucked dick.
Universal was much better in my experience.
Hey guys what are the best restaurants in Disneyland?
I'm going with my girlfriend this year sometime, probably in May? Maybe in May.
Anyway, we've got two days and I want to probably do one of the nicer restaurants each day.
>going to disneyworld with parents in a failed marriage
>only mentions the literally worst part of DW, Tom Sawyer Island
>blames DW for bad weather
>implying Universal doesn't have equally-long lines for worse attractions
Please, anon. Find the magic.
> I love how the characters react to everyone's costumes.
Yeah! Last year I was Mozenrath and Aladdin told me to not try to steal genie again, ha ha. Since genie wasn't scheduled for the night (it was Jafar instead) a CM even got told that genie had seen me and he had gone to hide.
Gaston is the best meet and greet, though.
> he hands me candy, doesn't even ask.
> jokingly tell him that candy is fine, but he'd be better
> he turns to the line and says I prefer eye candy.
>working parade control
>one family keeps nearly jumping halfway into the street to take photos
>already told them twice they have to stay on the sidewalk
>look over and the mom is half pushing her 6 year old daughter into the fucking street again for photos
>about to head over
>gravedigger drags sparks up right next to them and terrifies them
>they stay seated the rest of the night
>gravedigger bro winks as he passes me and then shouts boo right in my face
I fucking love that parade
Story I heard from another CM:
>Girl was part of the CP
>Last night, she was with Gaston
>Gaston Shoves his way through a crowd to be able to see
>She goes with him
>She starts to think about all the stuff that happened on her program
>Starts to tear up
>Gaston puts his arm around her
>Starts to rain
And now another:
>Guy doing that exact same job
>Old asian guy standing in the street
>Guy says "Sir, you need to be on the other side of the tape."
>Guy starts swearing at the CM
>Cast member is about 6'1", Asian guy comes up to mid chest
>Cast Member (let's call him Bill) Starts to giggle
>Asian guy walks over to a lamp post, climbs up it, gets to Bill's eye level, and starts yelling at him some more
>Bill can barely contain himself
>Asian Guy's son grabs the old man's shirt collar, drags him over the line, and gives Bill an apologetic look
Bill even said the old Asian guy "was as cute as a button."
I'm just amazed at the shit I hear.
Depends on your budget and if you're willing to eat outside the park.
Napa Rose at the Grand Californian and Steakhouse 55 at the Disneyland hotel are some seriously top tier restaurants. Of course the prices are on par with them as well.
Inside the park Blue Bayou is the go to fancy dining. I tend to think the signature Monte Cristo gets a little heavy though. But if you decide to go that route make a reservation days, even weeks if you can do it, in advance.
Carthay Circle in California Adventure is also pretty nice.
Carnation Cafe is pretty much my go to place for lunch in the park. It's good and inexpensive by Disney standards.
I will never forget the one time Gaston asked all the women in his line whether they had a bf/husband/SO... and pulled all the ones who had said yes for a group picture.
I'm always surprised by the fact that his line is relatively short, one would think he'd have a really long one.
I was thinking about the Blue Bayou. Prices are pretty steep, but I'm planning this far out in advance and intend to set aside a full grand for 2 days in the park, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Monte Cristos are also her favorite sandwich, so that's another bonus. We're still trying to nail down dates, but I intend to book a reservation as soon as we know.
Hadn't heard about the Napa Rose or Steakhouse 55 so I'll do some digging on those, too.
You're an okay guy.
>I'm always surprised by the fact that his line is relatively short, one would think he'd have a really long one.
Kids only care about the characters they know about, that's why Elsa, Rapunzel and the Star Wars characters get their longest lines. As for Mickey, their parents force them to do the line to take a picture with him because they did that in Disney World when they were kids.
Different guy, but I'm kind of a New Orleans fanatic, so I tend to stay away from places with a cajun theme because it's never quite good enough, but Blue Bayou's pretty damn decent.
>Gaston is the best meet and greet, though.
>get in line to meet him
>gaggle of girls, so he's flirting with all of us
>after pictures motions us towards his candy station
>"come on girls, get yourself some man-candy!"
>his candy is nothing but rootbeer flavor
My grandpa's in a wheelchair, and when my family goes on a big trip to Disneyland or World, they usually let as many people in our group skip to the front with him as we'd like. I think we've pulled at least 8 people in through the handicap entrance with him, though we usually average 4 or 5 to not be complete dicks, we just want to ride with our pappy. Of course, it depends on the ride, how busy the park is, and just what kind of mood the cast member working at the attraction is in, but we normally have pretty good luck.
One thing I noticed during our last trip to Disneyland is that some of the really popular Fantasyland rides (Peter Pan and Alice are what I remember) had a pseudo-fastpass system just for handicap families. Like most Fantasyland dark rides, their handicap "entrance" is really the exit of the ride. I guess to keep that from blocking up, you could check in with a cast member, give them your group name, and they'll tell you to come back in an hour or so. Then you can go off and do whatever you want for an hour, come back, and go straight on. So it's better than a fastpass, really. I'm not sure if other rides have started this recently or if it's also at Disney World, though.
God you guys are making me want to work for the Mouse. I keep checking their job site but I've mostly been seeing Epcot cultural representative openings. I should really give Casting a call and try to push my way in a little more. I know it's minimum wage shit but something about living in/close to Orlando and having the opportunity really compels me to work there. Plus all the stories from this thread and friends who are CMs.
It really was, especially at that age. It kind of ruined the Christmas parade for me though because
that's when I learned they film most of it like two months in advancebut dang did it make for good memories. There's probably a better version out there somewhere but I found the 365 clip. My High School starts at about 1:25...God I can't believe it's been like 8 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPjEVQDKUBE
>>gaggle of girls, so he's flirting with all of us
His line is always mostly girls. I realize Disney doesn't see the point of having the princes as a separate meet, but it feels a lot less awkward to get a picture with a guy without having to get one with the canon love interest as well.
Semi related - one time I went to Disneyland with a group of girlfriends and we saw the Aladdin show. We were on the second floor, so during the Prince Ali number, Aladdin passed right in front of us... we began to shout "Prince Ali, over here!" and he turned and blew us a kiss.
That's pretty good.
Any tips for character auditions? I'm the appropriate height for most of them, but not suited for face characters. Or tips in general on how to work my way into operations, merchandise, confectionary, anything that's not janitorial?
Nothing over your face is totally a rule. There is also something about no weapons.
I mean besides the obvious no actual weapons. I saw someone have to turn in their brightly colored plastic starwars blaster, that they said they bought in the park the day before.
Look up "Disney Auditions," on Bing. They have their own site for auditioning for characters and other shit.
I auditioned for the candle light procession last year. Failed miserably as I heard about the particular audition less than 48 hours before hand and wasn't prepared.
>I'm just amazed at the shit I hear.
Honestly, you'll go through both the most ridiculous and idiotic guest situations and most heartwarming each day.
>working before fireworks
>have to tell people that you can't see shit in that location
>much better view just a bit further up the road
>mostly lost voice other day so can't spiel properly
>partner hasn't shown up to help( they got caught up with an injuried guest)
>relatively slow night, plus show's delayed, so I'm trying to whisper spiel to smaller groups
>tap on arm
>two kids, about 8 and 10, and their mom next to me
>had played with them earlier before the parade, mostly miming things for them
>the mom says they wanted to help me by being my voice
>give them my light wand to share and they follow me around as I tell people what's up and they parrot what I said but louder
>actually helped clear out enough of my area before partner comes back
>Give each kid a pin and sticker and thank them for being the sweetest honorary cast members ever
If it were any busier that shit wouldn't have worked at all but I always think back on how completely nice they were.
>no toy weapons
>when they sell fake flintlock pistols and swords at Pirates
>and Star Wars shit everywhere at DHS
I understand the need for the rule but it's kind of nonsense considering their in-park merchandise.
There's an online process for applications, but I'd have to double check it how to do it. You literally can walk into casting with a resume and ask what they've got and if they're interested in you they'll call you back when something opens.
For what it's worth, I've heard janitorial is actually a pretty decent job if you don't mind cleaning up after kids and retards. You get to wander around the park, don't need to smile 24/7, and be the hero guests need but don't deserve.
Someone almost brought a gun into MK. All fake weapons other than Lightsabres are no longer sold.
>Guy going through bag less check
>Security notices something odd
>Pulls him aside
>Sir, we need to do a search (or whatever)
>Guy has a firearm on him
>Runs off screaming "I have a permit!"
>Security finally catches him
>Permit is a decade old
Literally the next day they had metal detectors in.
Thanks. I feel really dumb for not having tried that earlier. I've mostly been looking at their "careers" website. Also dang Disney needs vocalists. Too bad I can't sing for squat.
>Security notices something odd
>Pulls him aside
Specifically, they saw a suspiciously large bulge in his pants, and he tried to play it off, with an unnamed dick joke. And then tried to run when they insisted his dick wasn't that large.
This reminds me of a safety video I saw demonstrating the 'dangers' of bagging clothing in schools.
The stuff that kid pulled out of his pants was hilarious. It was like he was Mary Poppins' suitcase.
>Anybody else go to those/go this time of year before and know what crowds and stuff are like?
I went to Wizarding World in IOA about two months after it opened, and it was packed, but alright. I went seven months later and it was so packed, they roped off the island and would only let certain groups of people in at a time.
If there's an event, I would brace for the worst.
And Hollywood Studios can be done in less than half a day, if you're not going during a peak season.
>That sounds fantastic
It really was. We got scolded by a CM (since he had to lean on the front part of the balcony for a bit) but it was worth it just for the moment. Kudos to the Aladdin actor for making it so much like the scene in question.
>befriend a cast member
>they get you in free
>they're so tired of the place they leave you on your own after like 2 hours
>free reign of disney
>consume all the dole whip
And it's either humid or warm a large part of the year here at night, so that would kill the comfiness of Traverse Town's look. But it's been cold down here lately and in times like these, it'd be amazing.
Np, man. If you're bored, there's also a great laser tag place on I-Drive (Pointe Orlando) called Hard Knocks. Awesome indoor laser tag with a ton of game types, and replica weapons.
Tons of places to eat in tourist Orlando, but if you're going to Universal, check out Cowfish on CityWalk - they have like artisan burgers and sushi. Be prepared to spend at least $25 on yourself though. Milkshakes are on point.
Oh man, working with no voice is the worst. I was in parking, so I had to use the microphone on the back to deliver the spiel...I actually gave up a few times because my voice was cracking so much. All I got were laughs, which is a good way for guests to start their day I suppose. But the drivers let me swap places with them once they heard how awful I was.
>Does Disney realize that the new fastpass system is pretty much dooming every attraction to have endless lines?
Guests are empirically riding more attractions per day now than they were on the old FP system, and getting more FastPasses.
Also, wait times overall have gone down when compared to prior days of similar attendance. The only attractions that have gone up are those that did not previously have FP.
Yes, Stand By lines move slower when they have FP, but that doesn't mean you spend more time in line or do fewer attractions overall.
If you're someone who can't do a modicum of planning and only kind of drifts in to the line of whatever attraction you happen to be next to, then, yes, you will stand in longer lines.
Certified FP+ expert with access to rider data and FP usage speaking.
>I think that whole thing was a plan to convince more people to stay at a Disney hotel.
No, the whole idea is that the more FP people use, the more likely they are to rate their day Fantastic, and are likely to recommend a vacation to friends and family. On top of that, the more FPes people use, the more attractions they do, and the more time they spend in stores and restaurants; good for guest AND good for business.
With the legacy FP system, guests on average got about one FP a day (actually 1.2-1.5 depending on the season), for many reasons. Meanwhile, people who knew what they were doing would get a FP for everything and never stand in line ever. Attraction waits are a zero sum game, so if I'm getting a lot and you are getting none, I am damaging your day.
So, the idea was to make it more accessible, slow access to additional FPes, and also force FPes in to people's hands. So, you start with three. You are forced just by signing up to get more than double what you would get on average before. And with the way it works, you are less likely to be a power user who gets a ton (though I got 16 one day, it's still possible). The results have been emphatically successful. The idea is to get people on more rides per day and have shorter wait times, and that was statistically proven to be happening almost immediately.
The other point has been to kind of connect your theme park day with technology. While the success of that has been hit or miss -- people really are worse at handling doing things on an app than expected -- it's higher on the list of priorities than encouraging hotel stays.
That said, yes, encouraging on-property stays is something desirable, and much of MM+ is designed to benefit resort guests. But nothing about FP+ is resort-specific. You don't have to have an on-property reservation to stop you from doing your FPes 30 days in advance if you own tickets.
I'm a Universal Pass Holder and WDW CM. Universal has longer wait times.
The reason is two-fold: less focus on efficiency, and fewer dispatches per guest across the park. Magic Kingdom spreads out guests by having attractions on several different levels. Slower stuff like Hall of Presidents or Philharmagic isn't a big deal, but it is something people can and will do that doesn't have a line and keeps them out of the lines for Peter Pan and Haunted Mansion. Universal doesn't have as many smaller no-wait experiences like that.
Also, they just aren't pushed to bust their butts to get people on rides as quickly. Better than most places, including Disneyland, but not better than WDW.
Yes, the stand by lines would be even longer with FP, but you would have the option to skip those lines if you wanted.
>This show how much the fastpass system fucks over the standby lines. Both Harry Potter rides are by far the most popular in their parks but they almost never have waiting times longer than an hour and the lines are always moving.
I love Universal. I go to Universal a couple of times a month. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>In Disney they never let people from the standby line pass if there is even a single person in the fastpass line, I'm convinced that most waiting times in Disney would get cut in half if they just got rid of them.
You also don't know what you're talking about here. It would be WAY more than half. Four times as many people go through FastPass in normal operation than go through Stand By.
But, the average guest would -- and did -- still do fewer attractions and have higher overall wait times. The only people who would have shorter waits would be people who don't utilize FP.
>You have to "reserve" a spot on a ride and you only get 3
You only get three to start with. After you've used your initial three, you get one at a time.
And you've always had to reserve a spot. It's just that the time you reserved used to be the next available window, with no options. Now you have the chance to pick whichever available window you want.
>Because my understanding is Disney is super strict on the "always be smiling, bend over backwards for guests" thing.
Nope. Florida is a Right to Work state, but the union protection is still strong enough that you can't actually do anything to me if I don't smile and do the bare minimum to help people.
I personally smile and try and take care of guests, but I know I don't have to, and work with quite a few people who don't bother.
The reason those people are the minority is not because of strict policies. There are managers who pretend they can be strict about it, but when push comes to shove they lose. It's just that the Cast Members who don't bother or care generally hate their jobs and go do something else before too long.
I deal with people being rude to guests without so much as a documented discussion on a daily basis, though.
This anon speaks truth.
Yes. Very much so. Getting letters or recognition from Guest Relations goes a long way to getting Cast recognized if they're trying to be.
The thing that was so stupid about that whole thing was it was a waste of money. You didn't need a disabled person with you to get a Guest Assistance Card. You just needed to tell Guest Relations you needed one. No one can legally ask you why.
Absolutely incredible idiots.
And, again, not even necessary. It's just insane.
>you can't make an accurrate Mos Eisley without making it a shithole which isn't something a theme park would want to do
The old west wasn't a glamorous place. Asia and Africa in Animal Kingdom both feel like shit holes.
I deal with quite a few people every year who are shocked that people don't stay home with their families. They think by going on Christmas they'll be the only ones out doing things.
Theme Park executives don't see things in terms of, "how well does this property lend itself to a themed area." They only see things in terms of, "this movie made a ton of money, people want to be immersed in it!"
There were Disney executives who, at the time, dismissed the idea of expanding Star Wars offerings because Avatar made more money and was thus more emotionally connected to the public.
Granted, Pandora is actually a pretty cool setting, but that's not the point.
>Outside was just as bad as one group had 4 carts convoying around the park. An elderly woman and man, an obese man, and a fit woman who was carting 2 kids on her cart. They ran over people's feet and stopped dead center in middle of a walk area, pulled around, and stopped in a cloverleaf position in front of the Peter Pan ride. When asked to move by a cast member, they refused.
Man, this is a daily thing, not just Christmas.
This makes me feel better. Sorry about your bad trip. I believe every word of it, Christmas is nuts. I enjoy working it, but I'd hate being there as a Guest.
The conversations on advice and what's going on in the park are my favorite moments with people. I've read that Guests think they're bothering us when they ask questions like that, but most of us live for it.
Not even the morning, unless you buy the tickets day of. Make them when you get your tickets. You can always change them later.
I get called patient all the time, but I'm really not. In addition to everything anon says, I just frankly find unreasonable people hilarious. These people decide to use their precious vacation time to scream and yell about something that essentially almost always boils down to wanting to blame everyone else for them not knowing themselves what they're talking about. To me, that's funny as fuck. I have a hard time not laughing in faces.
I'm sorry, but this is kind of pathetic sounding. . .
Also, had you asked for a picture of just you and Aladdin, no one would have said no.
>>78969506 don't listen to >>78969589. You can explain your needs to Guest Relations and they can potentially accommodate you with essentially a second FP set up that's based on wait time, rather than limited windows. You won't be skipping lines, just not waiting in them.
That said, lines are for the most part wheelchair accessible.
It's for up to six as a rule, but they can make it work if you have a large party.
>Jesus Christ are people that fucking cynical?
Yes. My wife was once screamed at by an Indian woman for not personally checking to make sure a Make a Wish child was actually dying before letting her family in to FastPass.
You're partly correct. It's been a long time since wheelchairs just cut to the front of the line. More than a decade ago they started making lines wheelchair accessible, and providing return times if they weren't.
The change to the Disability Access Service was coming anyway, but not actually because of Rent-a-Cripple. It was already in the works, because there was no way of stopping people from getting the front of line Guest Assistance Card. The wide spread reporting of Rent-a-Cripple just gave them the edge they needed to push through the change.
It's to keep it from backing up, and it's also to keep wait times fair and even across the park.
The intention is not to have people skipping waits because they're in a wheelchair. So, we provide return times that are based on the wait time if you can't physically be in the line.
It's not recent, it's been the standard procedure on both coasts for about eight years now, and rolled out slowly here and there before then.
Getting an entry level job is just as simple as going to Casting and putting yourself on the list. There's an interview and stuff, but that's just to screen out serious red flags. It's a first-come first-serve system.
As of a few days ago, no, you cannot wear costumes. Even at the Halloween parties, although that's so far away who knows if it will change.
That's basically what it is, yes. DAS is for people who cannot physically be in the line. It's so they still spend as much time waiting as everyone else, but can do it wherever they feel like.
Return cards serve the same purpose, but in this case it's because the line isn't wheelchair accessible and the guest can't stand. Disneyland has a lot of queues like that, while WDW only has a few.
They don't sell those pistols, or Star Wars guns, anymore. Pulled them all off the shelves literally overnight a couple weeks ago.
Citrus Swirls are better -- and cheaper -- than orange Dole Whips, anyway.
>More than a decade ago they... providing return times if they weren't
Maybe for DW but not DL.
I think it was only 2 years ago that I was pushing my mom in a wheelchair. We would just walk right up to the exit areas and be let on what ever ride we wanted. They change it right after that though.
So now, or at least a little before the beginning of summer last year, you go to the exit area of a ride and get like a fastpass that they set the return time for how ever long the standby is. The thing is there's no limit to how many you can get. Technically someone said we were only supposed to get two but load up on everything in the area and by the time we would finish one ride it would usually be time to get on another.
I think it's if you have a wheelchair, or something else obvious, they just hand out the passes. If you're not so obvious you get a booklet that cast members write times in. Which is easier to enforce.
>As of a few days ago, no, you cannot wear costumes. Even at the Halloween parties, although that's so far away who knows if it will change.
Iirc, you can - they just made the guidelines so shitty that it's not worth it.
>There were Disney executives who, at the time, dismissed the idea of expanding Star Wars offerings because Avatar made more money and was thus more emotionally connected to the public.
I hope those retards all got fired
No, it was the same at Disneyland. Doesn't mean Cast Members were doing their jobs, but I can tell you exactly what their policies in place were.
Same thing for the limit on return times. The limit is one, but I know their Cast don't enforce it.
Outdoor food cast member here. We sell popcorn and popcorn accessories.
And i'm here to tell you, not to come to Disney world on the holidays.
From the end of November to the last day's of july is nothing but family's from all around the world coming to America for there one vacation a decade.
All the American's you meet there? Yeah, there here to celebrate a anniversary, A wedding, "Enjoying" there vacation time supposed to be used with a family.
Every face i saw for days was nothing but the dredged horrible portrait of a man who remember's why he spends all his time working away from the awful puss filled sack of regret that is his family. And i'd ask this man, "So why did you come to the park at the busiest time of the year" And he'd reply "Wait, is this really the worst time to come?" He'd look at me with all the wonder of a child just learning not to drink bleach. Then with grim determination come up with some half assed excuse and waddle on back.
That would be my only conversation in english for the next two hours. Everything else was subhuman spanglish pumped out by people thinking they got a "great deal" for there "American vacation".
I walked from the teacups to the castle on newyears, As a cast member. And all i heard was the sounds of those cheap horns and crying children . It took 40 minutes.
Every cast member i passed i said " This is hell". And they laughed and sobbed all at once
If you'd just done a tidbit of research you could have had a magical moment with that family of your's. But no. I don't feel bad for you. Not one bit.....
This place is magical. But there's only so much magic in the world and there's not enough to change a 100,000 people at once.
This thread really drives home the point that park superfans are one of the most autistic fanbases.
And I'm not just saying that. A lot of you guys seriously talk and behaved like mentally challenged people. Little Mickey Mousekashills.
Good to see this thread's still alive.
Try looking at Citywalk near Universal; it might work out.
I'd personally like to see them clean up and reopen River Country, if that counts.
At least if/when it fails, they can retheme it to that Beastly Kingdom idea that was being tossed around for a while.
Cast member tip: If a guest isn't into sftwy, pretend it's a state law. This can be true or nor, but if they don't comply, claim it's a state law and the ride can't start until they comply. Then just wait, or walk away, or walk away a little. If they don't listen, you have to get a manager, which sucks, but safety first.
Have any of you seen fights in the parks? Once this guy came with his girlfriend, ex-wife and kids. Why?! They got physical in the parkig lot, yelling, screaming. Woman pulled out the guy's dreadlock.
My last month as a CP they transferred me to the tollbooth. I forget the official name, but it's the toll before the paking lot. You can avoid paying by claiming you just want to go to the gas station on the same road as MK's entrance. Anyway, it must be one of the worst jobs there. The other CPs hated it. If it wasn't my last month I'd have quit. Other coworkers took things way took seriously. Guests mivht drive off without paying or they might be going to a hotel, but they had act like Nazis and interrogate them. All for $17! Who cares?! It's not added to your salary! Suffice to say, I gave people free parking all the time.
My boyfriend and I saw him the first week of January, when temps were in the 50s and it refused to stop drizzling. Poor guy was out there in his loincloth, a camo poncho and a spear on his back.
>Everything else was subhuman spanglish pumped out by people thinking they got a "great deal" for there "American vacation".
I worked Christmas and New Year's, and I ran into more Asian families than anything.
I was tempted to sing "Deck the Halls," by way of A Christmas Story by the end of the night.
And don't get me started on the Brazilians.
nothing special I went to the free version of Disney, downtown Disney and bought this hat last year.
They had a Mickey version and a Goofy version but I felt I made the right choice with Donald.
Honestly, this makes me have an even higher opinion of CM's then. Because from all the times I've been to both DLR and WDW, I still have found they're overall the best customer service I've ever seen. The fact that it's not because of threats of discipline, but more likely because most workers there genuinely love working there or are just that nice (or at least, enough of a majority for them to stand out more than rude or apathetic CM's), increases my respect for you guys hundredfold.
Also I've literally spent almost an hour of my time at Disneyland just so I could make sure I leave a compliment at Guest Services for one waitress who helped give me what was legit the best dining experience I've ever had in my life.
Cast Members are awesome, and I salute y'all for continuing to bring on the magic.
>Hollywood Studios is getting Toy Story Land and Star Wars Land
>Animal Kingdom is getting a new night show and Avatar Land
>Magic Kingdom just got New Fantasyland and new Hub
>Epcots getting a Frozen turd
Okay /co/, Disneys 50th Anniversary is in 5 years. What do you think they should add and change by then?
>Put Hatbox Ghost in Floridas Haunted Mansion
>Put explosion scene in Floridas Big Thunder Mountain
>Replace Main Street Electrical Parade with Paint the Night
>Overhaul Space Mountain and make it less bumpy
>Revamp Journey into Imagination to go with that "Dreamfinders coming back" rumor
>Put Inside Out attraction inside of Wonders of Life pavilion
>Update Spaceship Earth and Innoventions, maybe Ellens Energy Adventure too
>Some sort of new attraction in World Showcase that's an actual ride
>New fireworks shows for Magic Kingdom and Epcot
>Put Cars Land or Indiana Jones Adventure in Hollywood Studios
>Fix Yeti in Expedition Everest
>Maybe another E-ticket or D-ticket ride for Animal Kingdom
There's a rumor about a "New Frontierland" but I don't think that'll happen anytime soon.
>Put Inside Out inside Wonders of Life Pavilion
I'd love it, but it ain't gonna happen anon. WDW's given up on using that pavilion. And if anything, they'll probably put Inside Out in the Imagination pavilion, as the new 3D show to replace EO/Honey I Shrunk.
Which is a shame, because a revival of Wonders of Life would be fucking beautiful, and Inside Out a perfect fit. I just don't have high hopes that it will ever happen.
>replace MSEP with Paint the Night
I have a friend who can't let go the fact that DLR lost the Electrical Parade to WDW. The guy is completely obsessed with it, to the point where he wants to hold his own version of it for his neighborhood. I took him to see World of Color (since he hadn't been to the park in over a decade), and he was upset because it didn't have an Electrical Parade section.
I've been tempted to punt him like a football for quite a while now.
>They think by going on Christmas they'll be the only ones out doing things.
See, I used to think that before I learned otherwise. But, I would have still researched it beforehand, learned the truth, and stayed the fuck away.
>Replace Main Street Electrical Parade with Paint the Night
The Paint the Night Floats are slightly too wide at some points for MK's parade route. They wouldn't be able to complete all the turns
I'd say just use World Showplace/Millennium Village as the new Festival Center.
Universe of Energy definitely needs an update. Still keep Bill Nye.
Instead of Carsland, do something with other Pixar IP at studios, ideally Monsters and Incredibles. It's nice to have the occasional coast exclusives.
The second I posted that I remembered that I had it backwards. They're too tall for MK. Cinderella's tower is the tallest DEP float and it's not quite 19 feet. The tallest PTN float is like 28 feet.
I'd rather Florida get something like Tokyo's Dreamlights. Dat Genie float alone blows Paint the Dubstep out of the water.
Because if you stay off-property you have to rent a car. Staying on property at value is a good idea if you're ONLY doing Disney and not any of the other stuff. Though Pop Century or Art of Animation are better than the All Stars.
I stayed at Pop Century last time I was at Disney world in September 2014, and I loved it.
You know, I pretty much agree with you as things are now, but isn't there a sequel on the horizon? As much as I didn't really give a shit about the first one, it was a huge cultural phenomenon.
Nah, Soarin's fine as The Land's headliner. Lord knows Future World needs the crowd magnet. Plus I think the third theater will end up blocking up a possible World Showcase route.
>tfw some of your best friends think Disney World is lame and boring
>tfw you used to always go when you were little and love it to death
>tfw it's been so long
i went to disneyland paris and it was fucking abysmal
>parks close super early
>deny magic hours
>more than half the rides "closed for maintenance"
>only restaurant ever open is the pinnochio one
>no one there spoke english, or at least denied the fact they did
>literally no characters in the park. ever. except mickey and minnie during that spring show. but you can't take pics or autographs
it didn't help that my entire family was unenthusiastic and basically stayed at the hotel the whole time either.
I can vouch for this. I went in May last year, and honestly, the biggest flaw is just that they do NOT have enough shows or stuff to do. The only real show I saw was some Spring thing, but without a lot of characters or street entertainment, I was completely done with each park by like 4:00.
I wasn't even that imperssed by Phantom Manor, especially after all the hype people pumped it up. I still like WDW's Haunted Mansion best. And the worst part is, the one different ride I REALLY wanted to try, Space Mountain Mission 2, was closed for refurb while I was there. As was the Nautilus walkthrough AND the Aladdin walkthrough. (Jesus though, Disneyland Paris has tons of those walkthrough attractions. I did love the Alice's Labyrinth though).
> Hatbox in wdw (obvious, will probably happen during the next big mansion refurb)
> Slight space mountain refurb with updated projection effects
> Big energy pavillion overhaul. New video that isn't a 90s time capsule and some new dinosaur scenes
> New Imagination with dreamfinder
> Fix yeti and refurb Dinosaur to bring back all effects such as fog
> Mount Fuji coaster/Bullet train ride in Japan
really, the disneyland experience in paris was my first ever and i was expecting so much more. i'm planning on saving up for disney world since i'm moving to the united states soon. i've heard good things about it and the videos i've seen of people talking about it make it sound hundreds of times better than disneyland paris.
Yeah, to me Disneyland Paris was a huge letdown, as I had already been to the California and Florida Parks at least twice each. I mean, they were ok, but definitely a let down compared to the American parks, adn I won't deny I somewhat regretted devoting 2 days of my first ever trip in Europe to the park, even with being a huge Disney fan.
But yeah, definitely try out the US parks if you get a chance. People differ on whether the CA or FL parks are better, as both have their pros and cons (IMO Disneyland is better than Magic Kingdom by a large margin, but then WDW has EPCOT and Animal Kingdom).
WDW seems like the more appealing park to foreign tourists though, or at least it's where most international visitors seem to go. I notice the CA parks tend to have a much higher percentage of locals in the attendance totals each day. Most of the people in CA are those who have annual passes and go several times a year, which makes their patterns a little different and makes planning around people in terms of wait times and scheduling different compared to the FL parks.
i see. well i'm more interested in WDW since it's soooo huge. i hear it's bigger than a city and that it completely immerses you, making you feel as if you are really in a disney world. as a huge fan, of course it sounds super appealing. i will, of course also strive to visit the california and tokyo parks too someday, as i'm interested in what they have to offer too.
Something ridiculous like that, they have to fix the yeti's foundation as it can't safely withstand its movement.
It's one of the few e-tickets at AK and they can't afford a lengthy refurb just to give him movement until they have more attractions. So it won't happen for a while.
Paris at least has been actively working on restoring everything now. And for some reason, they keep getting a ton of characters we'll never see here because one of the main investors is some Saudi prince that's obsessed with Disney mascot costumes.
Pic related, your Big Hero 6 waifus are kinda creepy rubberheads now.
And then there's this pants-shittingly horror.
They bought little packets of farmland bit-by-bit to obfuscate their moves and to prevent the state from noticing that all of the orange farms where slowly getting eaten up by the mouse.
Eventually they got caught though thanks to some sly journalist who tricked Walt into revealing himself, and then the remaining bits of land that hadn't been bought yet suddenly skyrocketed in price.
>Lives in Virginia
>Could have had our own Disney Park
>Civil War Historians, Fans, and Landowners have a shit fit
>Media Jumps in and joins in the anti-Disney bandwagon. Muh History getting Disneyfied ect
>Disney scraps project.
Bad Idea or Good (most people think bad) Im still like "Fuck we could have had a Disney Park here" I still wonder what would have happened if they built it and what it would look like today.
Oh well we still have Busch Gardens Europe and Cedar Point bought Kings Dominion. (KD used to be super ghetto and just terrible but has been improving greatly)
I went back to Orlando in september last year and holy shit Islands of Adventure is totally garbage compared to how I remembered it. There's only about 4 rides worth going on, the Harry Potter section is just all the same shit from Diagon Alley repeated in smaller stores, they charge for the lockers on the water rides, and there's just so much wasted space between everything.
WDW was even better than I remembered it though, so there's that.
Shame that Disneyland Paris looks so goddamn shite, as it's the closest to me. Then again, 2 weeks at WDW in the All Star Movie resort didn't even cost twice as much as a 3-day weeked at Paris in any of their hotels, so why bother?
IoA just isn't the same without the Hulk.
But yeah, Toon Lagoon seems to have lost all of its charm, Lost Continent is just begging to be demolished ever since HP moved in, the Jurassic Park area is mostly a waste of space since they can't put dinosaurs in it outside of the ride, the HP area now seems like shit compared to Diagon Alley and Dragon Challenge just isn't as good as Dueling Dragons, also it sucks that the dragons don't duel anymore thanks to one accident in over millions of rides.
>IoA just isn't the same without the Hulk.
Oh god yes, that was the worst part. Hulk was my favorite when I went before.
Also kinda sad about Maelstrom at EPCOT being gone, hopefully the Frozen ride will at least be decent...
The biggest missing thing from the entire trip was Churros. I was only able to find like 1 churro stand in each of the Disney parks (and I couldn't find on