ITT: Villains who did nothing wrong
This mother fucker should have been top dog no matter who Linguinni was related to or what was in his head. His only crime was trying to get a useless fuck out of his kitchen.
>should have been
That's not how the law works, son. If someone owns a business and they give the business they own to someone else you can't just take over because you 'should'.
Besides Skinner was a garbage chef who was running the restaurant into the ground. The first critic says something along the lines of 'against all expectations, I actually enjoyed myself for the first time in ages' meaning he should NOT have been top dog.
Exactly what he said would happen, happened. And the resolution of the third movie wasn't a resolution at all because it's just going to happen again.
Mrs. Dimple was a shit, but Max's only crime was being paid by her. As a person he seemed to like the animal's music, it's just that his job was to do what a bitch told him to do.
He himself proved how incredibly dangerous cartoons could be to humans, thereby justifying his own cause.
he wasnt a garbage chef, he just played it safe and made every recipe exactly according to the book, allowing no creativity to come into play.
kind of yeah. he had a more legitimate claim than just blood, but he was still basically a shit.
there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. the problem is those things are so fucking overpriced.
the more you analyze these films the more something needs to be done to end toy sentience, as it's some kind of horrible, horrible mistake that neither toys nor humans want
emphasis on COULD be. in practice literally no other toons ever had been. even the past toon murderer was him
Hmm, being passed along to a new child eventually stuck in some attic OR spend an eternity locked in a glass cage, constant eye witnesses and security cameras making it impossible for you to move.
Yeah, but toys are more into being loved then having their free will. If they wanted to stay mobile forever, they'd be trying to avoid children, not intentionally trying to stick with them.
A museum offers the love of an infinite number of people.
I know that you've all seen it, you degenerate fucks.
Holy shit OP, I was actually just thinking about this earlier today.
I feel like they finished writing the plot and someone realized that Skinner really hadn't done anything to warrant being a "villain", so they just tacked on him turning Gustau's (I hope I spelled that right) into a frozen dinner brand.
They really didn't use this element fully in the movie unless it felt like it was tacked on.
Panda genocide was self defense. He was bringing the industrial revolution to the world but some fat faggot Luddite panda had to ruin everything because "muh kung fu"
He was perpetuating the downfall of cooking as an art, shifting it into mass-produced frozen food lines that 'everyone can cook'.
He was also doing this using the name of a once five-star chef out of Paris god dam France of all places.
This man was a businessman, not a chef, and has no place in a kitchen. Let alone Gusteau's.
>A museum offers the love of an infinite number of people.
Except they would never be played with, and for them a toys entire purpose is to be played with.
They probably just like Andy the most because that's where most of them have lived their whole lives so they didn't want to be forgotten by their best friend.
>Exactly what he said would happen, happened. And the resolution of the third movie wasn't a resolution at all because it's just going to happen again.
I'm on the fence about this. Because the fact Woody and crew have inside friends at Daycare, and now know a trick to get "passed on" to the next kid, I feel like they'll be able to live long toy lives. Stinky Pete didn't realize that all things have a life. Even behind glass, sooner or later his exhibit would not be relevant and possibly put into storage. Museums rotate their stuff all the time.
Self defense implies the pandas attacked him, which is not the case. He massacred a village full of innocent men, women, and children because MUH PROPHECY.
Tai Lung was actually more in the right than Shen was.
oh come on. people have been preparing food for faster preparation since the beginning of time. you might as well accuse the first guy to cook with fire of 'perpetuating the downfall of nutrition'
Not true, the panda village was making zero progress towards taking revenge on their genocider and Po didn't even know who Shen was. And even after he learned, he wasn't motivated by revenge at all.
So the prophecy was just a regular prophecy, Shen got defeated by a panda because that's what happened.
At least he manned up and tried to kill Moon Knight. He's more of a man than I am.
He only took away bending from gang members and people who abuse their powers for personal gain. He didnt bother with the innocent. Everyone he's targeted, either deserved it or was proving his point that benders were what was wrong with the world. And he was right. He was always right. If amon had his way, the rest of the seasons would not have happened
Not the anon, but he isnt talking about revenge specifically. He just means that the fact that he tried to stop the prophecy from happening, was what actually sets the prophecy in stone. If he never heard about the prophecy, he wouldnt have tried to stop it by killing off the pandas.
Forget "garbage chef", he is legally obligated to relinquish ownership if he knows that Linguini is the actual inheritor. Obfuscating the fact and hiding that information is illegal and a form of fraud, as was pimping out the Gusteau trademark which he also wouldn't have ownership of.
Skinner was legitimately breaking the law.
He walked on his feet instead of all fours. And I believe he washes his hands immediately before making the soup. Early on they established that Remi understood hygiene from the shows he watched.
It just occurred to me, but he looks just like one of those AyyLmaos from "Mars Attacks"
>and people who abuse their powers for personal gain
He was going to debend Bolin, who at that point was barely making a living with his bending even as a probender, due to alleged connection with the bending gangs. There was obviously monumental evidence against Lightning Bolt Zolt, but Bolin? Hearsay. Even Mako says they only ran numbers.
I wouldn't be surprised if Oogway hinted to Shifu that Tai Lung was lacking, hoping his pupil and successor would correct the problem, but Shifu instead took it as Tai Lung needing to physically train harder.
Speaking of people who are right about humans
>humans are the source of everything that's bad
>Not good. Never good. After all I'm only human
Literally just doing what his society asks of him (even though they didn't ask HIM personally)
Was literally just trying to do her job and maintain the exceptional standards of MU and the Scaring Department
>Avatars abused their power constantly for centuries
>ripped small kingdoms away from the bigger countries to rule as personal cult fiefdoms
>murdered legitimate rulers of countries
>held back civilization and technological advancement that could aid the lives of millions
>supported so-called balance even when the standards of living in Fire Nation-controlled areas was much higher than people living in igloos or grass huts could ever achieve
Literally did nothing wrong.
This sexy motherfucker right here did LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG
Even then, the fact that she knew a panda would defeat him makes me think she kind of knew the route he would take that would make the prophecy come true.
Even if she didn't, she just shouldn't have said it at all, you think the parents wouldn't have let it slip to him, either by accident or by warning?
Depends, if they were something actually considered historic like fossils or icons of a bygone era, they'd be on display for ages to come. Being a full collection of rare toys, even in Japan, probably wouldn't have them on display for more than a decade or two before being shelved for god knows how long
> Implying the fire nation wasn't trying to snuff out actual advanced civilizations like the many cities of the earth Kingdom + wanting to basically wipe the northern water tribe off the map.
> Implying they weren't also indirectly trying to wipe out other forms of bending in general besides their own ((taking all southern waterbenders prisoner, taking a lot of earthbenders prisoners + forcing many others to have to hide their power, killing ALL airbenders except one))
>northern water tribe
>implying firebending isn't the most useful bending for a modern society
>implying the ability to create cheap, clean electricity at will wouldn't revolutionize the entire planet
It's a war. Shit happens. They should have given up and accepted civilization.
At the time of TLA, the earth kingdom and fire nation were basically the same in terms of advancement, and I mentioned the northern water tribe because it's not like they were retarded barbarians, sure they lived in ice but the buildings themselves were goddamn beautiful + not wasting scarce resources, there wasn't any instances of electricity being used commercially yet anywhere either.
Hard to say, Oogway was vague as fuck, and probably a bit senile as well.
Of course, even he must have realized that by shutting down Tai Lung the way he did, he only instigated darkness within him. Maybe saying "you're not the warrior, yet" would have been a softer blow?
>were the same in terms of advancement
>fire nation had flying air cities, the steam engine, the turbine, tanks, and giant steampunk drills
>same in terms of advancement to people who literally threw mud at each other
Alexander the Great won at Madisyn when he was 16. Scipio Africanus was 16 when he lead forces in his father's wars.
Azula was just a tiny bit ahead of history's genius curve.
>implying a shitty little balloon is the same thing as Ozai's massive air cities
He was wrong, but IF the cube drove him to believe it was possible it's not his fault
>mechanic guy built a giant flying city
Gee, something like that sure would have been useful when the Fire Nation came to kick him out on his ass. Must have left the keys to it in his other pants, huh? That sucks.
They weren't fucking cities you goddamn retarded mongoloid. Even then, just because he didn't mass produce them means that it invalidates him being the original maker of the flight enabled craft
He just wanted some of that fine gypsy ass, can't blame him at all for wanting to burn down Paris to fuck her.
>some guy invents a paper lantern that rises because of a candle stuck inside it
>that guy can now take credit for airplanes and the space shuttle
This is how stupid you sound.
No, but he gets credited as the father of the hot air balloon.
>man invents the lightbulb
>someone else puts a bunch of bigger lightbulbs together and is now totally way ahead of the other guy!
This is how stupid YOU sound. Not the guy you were arguing with, by the way.
Not to mention the guy who put together the bigger lightbulbs commissioned the other guy to make the first one in the first place and he designed them as well.
But it's a troll either way.
I bet you're the same kind of meme'ers that say "le tesla wuz da best" instead of Edison.
Airbenders were troglodytes living in caves. The other nations were holding back humanity and depriving their people.
Dude, you're a fucking idiot. By your logic, if someone does an improvement/makes a breakthrough with another's work, they are somehow superseding the original person as the inventor.
And that's flat out retarded. By your logic then, Newton is the fucking inventor of gravity because he gave it concrete definition while nature expected us to "get it" without saying squat.
The Jedi were garbage and couldn't keep the peace even when the galaxy was not crumbling from war.
The Rebels were nothing more than inhuman terrorists, destroying the peace and order that was established on the galaxy after years of fighting.
>someone can invent a natural law
Just go to bed, kid. Go to bed.
Aside from not killing his son, he's done nothing really bad.
He just wanted to go the super computer. Would you say a man is wrong for wanting to visit another world?
On the similar note
He just wanted to stop being a two-bit thug and advance his career.
He's literally evil incarnate. You can't fault somebody for their nature. That'd be like saying a dog is wrong for eating one its puppies when it needs to thin the litter so the rest will survive.
>he wasnt a garbage chef, he just played it safe and made every recipe exactly according to the book, allowing no creativity to come into play.
That's exactly what being a garbage chef is. A chef is someone who makes new dishes. Someone who just follows recipes is a cook. See, there's a big difference there. It's not even a matter of being creative or conservative. Coming up with new dishes was actually his job.
>Raised from an infant to believe he was destined for greatness
>Denied the Dragon Scroll for vague ambiguous reasons
>His master/father figure didn't defend him
>Loses his temper as anyone in his situation would
>Gets locked away for twenty years while being literally immobile.
>Despite all of that he still never actually kills anyone even though he is given plenty of opportunities
He dindu nuffin. Tai Lung is just a tragic hero.
>lost what he'd been raised to think is his destiny to some fatass moron who hardly caree about Kung Fu
>finally achieves his destiny of reading the scroll only to find out that it was nothing but some bullshit fortune cookie
>literally his wholelife revolved around a shiny piece of paper, and after all the consequences of being denied tin foul his status as rightful village hero and dragon warrior was stripped, his sensei turned his back on him, and he hot turned into fucking dust
>all because oogway wanted to make some deep point
Who's the real villain?
Not just one kid's dad.
When Blight wants to know who Terry is, Terry's response is "You killed my father."
Followed by Blight getting angry because that doesn't narrow things down at all. He's killed way more than just Terry's dad.
Shen had a prophecy that may have had destiny be responsible for his actions. There was potentially no stopping what happened.
Tai Lung had his /whole life/ built up on this idea, with his adoptive father expecting so much of him, only to be denied what was said to be already his. Oogway could've stopped it all by mentioning that he wasn't the warrior and why from the start. He also could've downplayed the whole "no ingredient" scroll as that was more of a "way to be you, champ" the than anything. "Hey Tai lung, you can be a cool warrior and all, just know you ain't the one before you get your hopes up"
"Po, I know my shit. Just cus you feel doubtful or sad doesn't mean you ain't the warrior"
Tai Lung. The fact remains is that he threw a giant
hissyfit and caused a lot of damage and hurt a lot of people when he didn't get what he wanted, showing that he was never worthy of it in the first place. If he'd been a good student, and a good person, he would have accepted the decision, or even bothered to ask why.
Those are the kinds of lessons that are more valuable when you learn them on your own. They're the kind of thing you'll never accept if someone else just tells you. Notice how it worked just fine for Po. Tai Lung was clearly the problem there, not Oogway.
Oogway sensed a darker side of Tai Lung that no one else saw. he knew that Tai Lung would've gone mad with power and laid waste to the village either way.
>She foretold that if Shen continued down this dark path, he would be defeated by a warrior of black and white.
Shen literally had the choice to defy the prophecy. Instead, he decided genocide was a better option than not being a huge asshole.
Thanks for the seizure. Also yeah, he's obviously a shit lord and all, but when your entire life is built around a single idea, going postal is a tad less of a hissy fit than standard tantrums. It isn't like he found out about at the last moment and went "oh boy I hope it's me"
But no, I'm aware he's the real villain. It's his entire role in the main bit. The question was rhetorical and joking.
>Despite all of that he still never actually kills anyone even though he is given plenty of opportunities
I'm glad to know that all the rhinos made it out alive after he threw them wholesale into the endless abyss and then collapsed the fucking mountain on top of them.
It's been a while since I've seen the movie. The peacock seemed like a shit anyway. Oogway still could've done something though, I'm sure.
Perhaps, but it was more of a "dude, yeah, that sounds cool" sort of thing than an actual interest in fully learning. Even when he was more into it by being claime the warrior, from an outside perspective he seemed like some random guy that was wasting his time.
Likely because Master Shifu raised him to believe he was going to be THE Dragon Warrior. Had Oogway taken Shifu aside and said "Bro, you need to take his expectations down a notch", there likely wouldn't have been any "darker side" within Tai Lung
He was actually giving it his all. He just didn't know how and everyone at the palace was more interested in watching him fail than actually guiding him.
It's not that he had no interest in learning. He just didn't believe he could. He said so himself in the movie. He really wanted to because he felt that it was his chance of not being a loser anymore.
It was only really Tigress who treated him like shit outright. Crane was more or less trying to avoid him, likely because he didn't want any hard feelings in the end. Mantis and Viper seemed to be ok with him. Hard to say about Monkey, since he only has like 4 lines I think
He didn't attempt to fully learn because A) his dad was stifling his dreams and pushing him towards staying in the noodle shop and B) because he's a fucking fat-ass panda.
Also I'm pretty sure the school was invite only. None of the pupils were there because they just wandered up and wanted to be let in, they were specifically tracked down and invited to study kung fu and nobody else.
And even in the movies events, the Soothsayer gave Shen one last chance to stop it. He could have walked away. Stop the crazy.
But Shen felt that he was in too deep to pull out now.
Not quite at first. Po was initially being a little showy about it, given that he was hoping to impress the Five. Granted, it was a sweet gesture, since it's hardly wrong to want to impress potential new friends
Didn't he also gas Terry's friend to death because he knew too much and showed the photos of his worsening condition and death to a politician who wanted to purchase that gas?
He was so calm about this it seems he had people killed before.
On the subject of KFP, anyone else wonder if Master Shifu will bite in the third film? Granted, we know that they plan on 3 more films after the one coming this month, it seems likely they'll kill him off before the final film.
This is actually wrong.
Shifu said that Tai Lung was "destined for greatness", but both of them knew that it was never Shifu's decision to make. The real thing that set Tai Lung off was that Shifu didn't argue with Oogway in his defense.
It seems pretty clear he was raising Tai Lung to be the Dragon Warrior, at least at some point in Tai's training. Even then, Shifu still should have been pulled aside by Oogway and told "don't get his hopes up"
Given how they portray Oogway as the type who just "knows" things, it's hard to say. Even, Oogway has some fault for not alerting Shifu about Tai Lung's "darkness" and finding a way to keep it from consuming him.
Yea, you could argue that "everyone has a dark side", but we've yet to see if that's a factor in the KFP world or not.
No, he was actually trying. The training was unusually harsh and everyone was beating him up because they were hoping he'd give up and he still kept trying. What made the difference later wasn't Po's attitude. It was Sifu's. Once he actually came up with a way to help Po realize his own potential instead of trying to break him out of spite, he was actually a great martial artist.
>>northern water tribe
>>implying firebending isn't the most useful bending for a modern society
>>implying the ability to create cheap, clean electricity at will wouldn't revolutionize the entire planet
Nah. Earthbending all up in that shit, by orders of magnitude.
Earthbending means NEVER having crop problems, lack of shelter, advanced metallurgy, defensive structures, advanced tool design, etc. etc. etc. Add in metalbending from the Legend of Korra and things get crazy really fast.
Keep in mind, something like 1% of all Earth citizens are benders. And the Earth Kingdom is spectacularly close to the current population of China, somewhere around several hundred million to a billion citizens on one large continent. For every earthbender, there are perhaps hundreds or even thousands of non-bender civilians surviving thanks to the ridiculous power earthbenders have for civilization advancement. And then you factor in that a lot of earthbenders don't actually use their abilities to help their communities in any meaningful way. Which means the reality is that for every Earthbender, probably 10,000 people even exist.
And then you get the non-benders in there. And that's where the really crazy shit hits the fan. With every earthbender possibly supporting thousands of non-benders, non-benders are critical to filling in the gaps an earthbender can't. Smelting, hunting, trade, politics, science.
The smartest guy in Avatar is Sokka, a kid who can't bend a paperclip. Over the course of the original series, he proceeds to create maybe a dozen useful inventions which are still in use or radically improved upon by the time Legend of Korra occurs. Without bending, he has to outsmart the blockages in his path. This is largely posible entirely thanks to the Earth Kingdom being a place where the peple have no major need for resource wars and instead have largely dedicated their talent to learning.
Say Oogway "knew" and told Shifu in advance. You think Shifu would've believed that his surrogate son would go so absolutely apeshit?
Throughout the movie it was demonstrated that Tai Lung was an emotional blind spot for the guy. It's entirely possible that Oogway knew that as much as he knew that Tai Lung would go nuts, so his hands were tied.
They only wanted to avenge their old blind friend after he was beaten to death for simply pissing of another black man.
>Earthbending means NEVER having crop problems, lack of shelter, advanced metallurgy, defensive structures, advanced tool design, etc. etc. etc. Add in metalbending from the Legend of Korra and things get crazy really fast.
The joke is that they never had all of that in TLA (well dunno about crop problems), while the Fire kingdom DID utilize their powers for creating machines and shit
> 1% of all Earth kingdom citizens are benders
That seems a bit small a percentage, even for the Earth kingdom.
> Smartest guy in avatar is Sokka, a kid who can't bend a paperclip
It's not that he's smart, per say, he's just really creative and intuitive, which lends itself to making useful inventions/unpredictable strategies.
And it's not like he's weak, it was more just that he was outclassed by the skilled benders in the group, at least comparatively, until he learned how to use a sword in book 3, which made him basically as useful in the group when paired with his plans.
He was still being somewhat showy and acting a fair bit on fanboy fantasy than going full on right from the get go. After Oogway spoke to him, Po definitely took it upon himself to be more serious, even if it wasn't until Shifu's change of tactics that actually begun his training proper.
Wouldn't have to say "Yo, that kid gonna go murderize us someday", but at least make it clear to Shifu that Tai Lung would need lessons to maintain inner balance or some shit like that
The world literally would be better off with him in charge.
Remembered that one Freakazoid episode where the blue dude traveled back in time and made that Pearl Harbor never happened.
Not only many things turned out to be better, but Brain became the US President.
Pinky was piloting the plane.
those guys were legit assholes. they even showed them being assholes throughout the whole show. why are they assholes? they literally have no reason.
Agreed. KND always came to ruin his ideas. He was the only adult in the cast's rogue gallery that never had any evil plans at all.
Even in the short he appeared in, Kenny and The Chimp, he also had some nice motivations. Dude needs more respect.
They're Fucking RHINOS. Collapsing the mountain on them is a bit of a stretch. I imagine the ones who were thrown likely survived. Not many people die in this world unless strictly shown dying, which is about 4 or 5
But rats are qt
they would not harm a fly.
They showed him washing his hands, we can only assume he does it all the time whenever he cooks.
Shit, even when he had the rat pack helping he sent them all through that steamer thing to clean them.
Meh, most Muslims wouldn't give a good goddamn as long as you don't actually show his face. The ones that'd be pissed are wahhabi and/or the closest thing the middle east has to the IRA.
What's the point in doing mocking cartoons if you don't show his face? Not only show his face but have him wearing a T shirt with his own face on it as he ponces about being a faggot.
They have a defensive wall that encompasses an area of multiple percentage points of their continent. It includes ALL THE FARMS necessary to feed that population. Even with a reduced interest in metal (which they develop a very hard boner for by the time of Legend of Korra) they also had interest and success in civilian mass transit and other advanced concepts for a massive population. They could rely on earth benders to provide the impetus for their technology advances because earthbending is 360 noscope hax bullshit.
The major difference between Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation in ATLA is that Earth Kingdom has yet to figure out metalbending while Fire Nation is using steel as a matter of necessity given the former fact. Literally the very instant Toph Bei Fong realizes she can bend metal the entire Fire Nation goes to shit. She turns their own weapons into armor, she has no fear of any goddamn weapon they throw at her. It's all suddenly gone to shit.
Again, Earthbending is hax on an epic scale. It takes the very basic of civilization and supercharges them. If Avatar was ever to get to our modern timeline, we'd see mass extraction of oil and metals without any environmental damage. We'd basically skip over nearly the enitrely of the 19th and 20th centuries in a few months, maybe a decade.
Earthbenders enable the Star Trek post-scarcity society, and do it FAST. hat they end up winning, then dominating the society afterward within a few decades is not just possible, it's fucking obvious.
True about Tigress and Crane.
Viper was being nice, I don't think she believed Po was the Dragon Warrior either, but felt bad because she saw that he was a nice guy.
Mantis appeared to feel the same way.
Monkey just seemed spaced out at all times.
Book Frollo actually did nothing wrong.
I always wondered... how much could the wakfu of the tree set back time by itself?
Could he absorb it faster than it used up time?
Could he have simply hopped back 10ish minutes, absorbed the tree, hopped back another 10... keep doing that forever, until he had gone back to his old life?
Could he have beaten Xelor?
>Let's make a religious law that makes it illegal to show the prophet's face!
>Uh, why is that?
>Oh, so that way we won't idolize him and make his image something important... something beyond his message. We want to focus on his teachings after all
Literal reason for it... and yet, here we have a culture who has raised his image to untouchable levels.
Kinda missing the point, eh?
Did she kidnap a child? Yes.
AFTER the flower keeping her alive was taken and destroyed by the king and her options were either kidnapping or dying.
And she even tried to just take some of her hair, but it didn't even work.
They were all initially dicks, though it made sense. Mantis and Viper chilled out, and Crane just wanted time to not be reminded that he lost the ultimate title to a scrub. Monkey didn't really seem to care too much.
I understood why Tigress was being a bitch, but it really wasn't fair to Po and it was understandable that Po was questioning himself when she's shit talking him constantly. Shifu was just a cockend.
>bet on esoteric bullshit instead of fridge strategy
>betray your biggest alliance
>constantly says loopholes on his own bullshit in order to gets thing done quickly
>bite more than he could chew
>believed in his own legend
>did not studied the dangers of winter
>expected people to gently surrender at BASED GODLIKE REICH
>committed a genocide of at least 3 races and don't expected it to backfire at all, since they are SO DUMB
Hitler a shit.
Toons are harmless most if the time, he was the only one that actually caused any actual harm. And even the toons themselves had no idea what the fuck was his problem.
/pol/ pls go.
I think he's holding it upside down. Like, he grabbed the brain, then flicked his wrist so he could do the whole 'hold it to the sky and shout' thing without letting go. From a top view/bottom view if flipped, the brain pretty much is just a bunch of squiggles.
He had been collecting wakfu and filling his tank for two hundred years. The tree of life was just the top-off. It probably got him more like 10 seconds, not half of the entire tank.
>Mentally abuse your child for years, telling her that she's pathetic and weak and wouldn't last a day outside the house
>Being in the right
Canonically, Galactus is like a force of nature and inherently neutral. He is the balance between Eternity and Death.
(waiting to see what these two think of Galactus' "rehabilitation" in the new Ultimates book)
If any of us were in the same situation, we probably would've made the same fuck up.
Yea seriously. The guy was mutated by whatever the fuck was in that bleach or whatever, warping him like the Joker. And ye the literal second he's back to normal and even thanking the girls for restoring him, they clobber him harder just about any villain.
Speaking of chefs...
That fucker gave us the L.A. freeway system, fuck him.
No seriously, check it out, his p;an was based on the history of how L.A. developed its freeway system. I also heard that Toontown is a stand-in for ghettos in L.A. that were ravaged by the freeway system.
Price and Seaman said that "the Red Car plot, suburb expansion, urban and political corruption really did happen," Price stated. "In Los Angeles, during the 1940s, car and tire companies teamed up against the Pacific Electric Railway system and bought them out of business. Where the freeway runs in Los Angeles is where the Red Car used to be."
Considering how real the threat of communism was this is true, people think McCarthy was just a freak, they were wrong.
McCarthy was just a freak and he did more damage to his cause through his unscrupulous methods, which made the McCarthy era an absolute joke. Whether there were communists infiltrating or not is completely irrelevant because his clownish antics ensured he'd be taken out of power and they'd be allowed to run free anyway, while poisoning further generations to his ideals because nobody would ever want to be like him.
He died a miserable penniless drunkard with zero power or respect and that's a good thing.
You just got to be smart about it bro. Do what they in San Fransisco, they built a freeway system, but it doesn't go anywhere near residential areas, some of the worst spots in SF are far from a freeway system. Take a look at the Bronx, it went to shit too because a freeway runs right though it
It wasn't that Tai Lung wasn't capable of being the dragon warrior, but he had no humility. He did not perform kung fu to protect the weak, but rather used it to prove he was strong.
His tantrum after he was denied is proof enough that under his training and skill, he did not understand kung fu.
>We must end freedom in order to stop communism to end freedom!
But what did he talk like when he killed his brother?
What you on about, all of them were shit-talking Poe behind his back right right before he had that heart-to-heart with turtle man under the peach tree.
I remember a joke about picking a dragon warrior who could touch his toes, or at least see them and Mantis making a crack about the ground shaking where Poe walked.
Point is they were all dickish at first but it seemed that Mantis and Viper got over the whole not being the chosen one quickly and actually tried to help Poe after that.
Gary was just better at everything that Ash wanted to be the best at, that's all. He was proud about what he accomplished, and didn't want to keep pushing Pokemon beyond their limits.
He left them behind to find trainers who didn't want to push them that hard, knowing that they would have better lives in the care of a less ambitious trainer.
He was brutal about it, because as we've seen how he handles rejection, it's just too painful to accept a set back on a journey as great as his.
Gary was the real hero!
Except Aku is literally MADE of evil. He's no more at fault for what he does than the beasts in Bloodborne being the victims of plague
He was right. The giant WAS a weapon.
The US were in the middle of a war and some giant robot had just landed in a little town, seemingly destroying everything made out of metal. He had every reason to think the Giant was a threat, and if not for Hogarth, it would have been.
All he wanted was a historically accurate faire.
>the plan was to lead him away from the city so they can safely launch the nuke
>the robot is just standing in one spot doing nothing,inside the city.
Nah im pretty sure hes an idiot
He kind of did, Peggy was the one trying to fight for better treatment despite the fact that the fair was structured after a time where commoner women had no status.
But no, god forbid Peggy be put in the corner
>tfw the first jobs Peggy asked for were Queen and Warrior Princess
>and her options were either kidnapping or dying.
No no, motherfucker. Dying is only an option because of the flower. She's trying to extend her lifespan unnaturally. That's wrong by most standards, but especially wrong because she kidnaps in order to do so. It wasn't like she was sick and would've died without the antidote flower, she literally is only doing it to live longer.
I thought the message was that the weapon is only as dangerous as the one who wields it. Alone, after he crashed, the Giant didn't want to fight. He only responded to violence leveled against himself. By the end, despite that he was calm, Mansley ordered the missile because of his fear. A murderer with a pen is more dangerous than a pacifist with a gun.
Depends. Some people are clearly affected enough in the head to think their natural gender is "wrong", but then you the ones who just think "I want a do over" like their genes were a cheating blackjack table
It only became wrong to extend her life at the expense of another. She was in no way harming anyone with her actions prior. Of course, one had to wonder what she was going to do when Rapunzel was old and weak. Unless by then Gothel had found some way to extract the rejuvenation, she was essentially on borrowed time until Rapunzel's eventually death.
>Villains who did nothing wrong
Has Strong Bad ever actually done anything... well... bad?
You can argue that Old Timey Strong Bad has, but like. cheating at sports isn't exactly the height of villainy.
Homestar's done more evil things than Strong Bad.
That depends if she could die at all.
Rapunzel's mom was pretty young still, who knows how being born of the flower would affect her.
But Gothel's actions are understandable
not justifieduntil she tries to kill a dude.
He probably gave it to him.
Is he as much of a hypocritical douche in the comics?
>Is he as much of a hypocritical douche in the comics
The character doesn't really exist in the comics but similiar characters instead take his place. The characters are however more nuanced... except for the Nazis.
You do realize that McCarthy basically mirrored the exact same methods the Krimlin used to kaputski dissidents, right? Nearly every extremist group ends up using the same tactics they claim to be fighting against to get their way.
Obsessive and caused his own downfall, buried legal information that proved ownership to someone else, and from a creative standpoint was incapable of producing anything whatsoever. Culturally, riding someone else's legacy is bottom tier and worthy of absolutely no respect.
He did things that were wrong but minor, however he lacked any redeeming qualities.
Antagonist. Not villain.
Tried to force others into a lifetime choice to get his own way of life.
The epitome of traitor.
According to texts that may or may not be true, Jesus had Judas "betray" him bevause he needed the resurrection to show his retarded coward fuck Disciples they need to get their shit together and stop needing their hands held on everything.
In the short, they were just both jackasses except one was hedonistic, the other vain.
Red Skull is an asshole, as is Xavier.
Advancing in technology doesn't automatically lead to a better world, there are third world nations currently that can produce firearms but can't manage a power grid to reach outside major cities.
Also, genocide caused a self-fulfilling prophesy. Fighting fate causing a bad end is a theme of Chinese philosphy, he should have known better.
Pedophile, "for the lulz" killer, antichrist.
Not a villain. In the Disneyland ride, she's supportive of Mike as a comedian.
Forgetting all hints of morality and just focusing on being a failure, he turned his nation into drug addicts, had NO longterm plans, and made every possible military mistake. To the point Americans shrugged off trying to kill him, since it was easier to win the war with him in charge.
Wasn't a good Christian.
Ruined the galactic economy.
Actually, he is the protagonist. Not a villain.
Hell, when he had the chance to take over the world through evil means he turned it down because he wanted to improve the world, not simply rule it.
His face is on the side of the US Supreme Court building, and has been for over two hundred years, going on three.
Yet the Muslim world gets pissed off about a shitty French newspaper nobody would know about if they weren't pissed off about it.
>wanted to genocide all jews
>inadvertenly gave them more power than they could ever hope to imagine thanks to the combined power of 6 million martyrs and holocaust reparations
Yeah no, he's a bloody failure. If I was an aryan, I'd dye my hair brown and put in non-blue contact lenses just to not be associated with this dummy.
He let his advisors sell him on a military plan concieved of years earlier and shelved until they had an excuse to employ it.
Inb4 conspiracy theories, the White House declassified recorded meetings where they literally planned the fall of Saddam and actually said they were going to just wait until they had an excuse. He literally said there was no endgame and they'd have to make it up as they went after Iraq fell.
9/11 being planned is a conspiracy theiry, Cheney masterminding a plan to invade Iraq the second anything happened then putting it into action as a result of 9/11 is truth.
>there are worse things he could have done
The question is 'Was he and asshole?' not 'Are there worse things he could have done?'
Also the inclusion of the dragon means he just wanted a his own LARP setup, which is fine but again a dick move.
As usual, Peggy was an attention whore bitch but she did have some points.
Speaking of evil incarnate.
This guy is pure evil with no sense of right and wrong according to his psychologist, the guy who probably dealt with his share of sociopaths in his lifetime and would've probably fixed him or made him less dangerous had it been possible.
He literally cannot help himself, he just does what he does.
1) he tried to cheat linguini out of his inheritance
2) he sold out Gusteaus brand for frozen bullshit
3) did not create new dishes at all, the anti-thesis of being a chef and owning his own restaurant
4) general dick to linguini; tried to get him fired over trivial bullshit.
Depends how you view it.
Going solely by movies? No.
Going by creator statements on canonicity? Yes.
There's fair argument for both. But you'd likely see the more canon-focused folks, like comicbook readers, say the latter.
But again, either is correct.
Also, is it just me or is Jason like a modern version of the minotaur? Except instead of raping and eating children, he kills young people who have sex with each other and just leaves the bodies.
You're forgetting that Shen was actively experimenting with using gunpowder as a weapon before the prophecy was even made. Even if he hadn't been kicked out of his home, he was definitely headed towards the ultimate goal of inventing artillery and then trying to take over China. My point being, that would definitely put him in opposition to the kung fu establishment and lead to some kind of confrontation.
Now, if he hadn't burned down the panda village, then Po wouldn't have been adopted by Ping and would arguably not been present to be declared the dragon warrior by master Oogway. But there you're left with two possibilities RE: the dragon warrior. Either A.) Po was always destined to become the dragon warrior, in which case "fate" would've found a way to get him chosen in any case, or B.) The Dragon Warrior really could be anybody if put through the right circumstances, in which case another person would have replaced Po in that position. Either way, Shen still gets confronted by the dragon warrior, and he still loses.
The point those anons were making was that it wasn't a "self fulfilling prophecy" because the actions he took as a result of hearing the prophecy didn't create the circumstances for the prophecy to be fulfilled. It helped define the specifics, but theres no reason to think he would have lived if he hadn't heard the prophecy.
If his undoing had been motivated solely (or even partially) by revenge that would be a self-fulfilling prophecy, because he wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't heard the prophecy in the first place.
Think of it this way: If Shen successfully genocided the pandas, and as a result he was beaten by a dragon warrior zebra or skunk, would you still call that a self-fulfilling prophecy? In such a case, he still helped define the specifics of his undoing by ensuring that the warrior who killed him was NOT a panda.
>Maybe saying "you're not the warrior, yet" would have been a softer blow?
Probably also would have been a lie. There is no reason to think Tai would ever have become the warrior.
Eventually Tai Lung would have figured it out. He wasn't stupid - he just lacked wisdom.
There is only so long you can delay someone til they get upset.
and if they delayed him too long, The Oog would have died. If he died then by default the next leader would be Shifu, who would have declared Tai Lung the DW incorrectly.
and who fucking knows what TL would have done if he received the mirror scroll after all that ceremony. Gone berserk, probably.
But lowering his expectations while working on whatever demons he might have had could have led to him turning out better. Otherwise, it means he was born evil, which doesn't seem to be the case
That is a better argument.
Oogway looked pretty fucking sad when he looked at Tai Lung and saw he lacked what was needed to be the DW. It might have been he realized at that point that TL was destined to be the hurdle the foretold DW would have to overcome.
Or maybe Oogway just can't say something straight
Okay so. I'm trying to think about this and, he used his future information to fulfill a prophecy that ultimately had him team up with the Gargoyles on a permanent level.
He did bad things to get the best outcome for everyone. Is that evil?
Probably both. He clearly knew more than he let on, but for whatever reason acted vague to the point he even kind of ruffled Shifu, who probably looked to Oogway as Tai Lung once looked to him.
He did try to kill the clan several times, and even allowed one of his cohorts to turn a man into a monster. Nonetheless, he only attacked those he knew were obstacles, and was quite sportsmanly about being beaten whereas most other villainous types would swear revenge and forgo any honor and just destroy everything to get it.
But he knew he'd fail every time? His future self what telling his younger self what to do and when.
Seeming like a threat is bad, yes. I'm just wondering the logistics. I guess his younger self didn't know he'd fail for sure? He certainly ruined lives. It was for an ultimately great ending for the protagonists, orchestrated by his future self.
Khan from Abrams Trek.
He only wanted to save his crew and not fake 9/11. The movie acts like it was really terrible that he killed Admiral Robocop, even though that Admiral was evil as fuck and killed loads of people. Now the Federation keeps him and everyone he loves frozen in stasis while they harvest their blood to selectively decide who gets to live forever.
God, that movie was shit.
the only thing he did involving the past was securing his own fortune being founded, he just used his own Illuminati connections to ensure that it would happen
All crimes are committed by the living. Name one crime a dead person has ever committed.
its implied that woody used to be oqned by andys mom. pete was just straight up afraid of death and you cant live that way. his preservation causing his immobility was a direct metaphor for the idea that people afraid of death get stuck in life.
I'm pretty sure treason is a very narrowly defined crime in the US
>U.S. Const. art III, § 3.
>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
>The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
If he had his way
>Spirits would not be everywhere fucking shit up
>RC would be fine
>No civil war in water tribe
>Th greatest criminals ever would have less power and never have broken free
>The air nomads would not have stolen people to be part of their cult
>No wars in earth kingdom
>Would have probably punched Su in the face
No, Red killed BLUE'S Raticate (if that even happened at all, I mean it's really likely but never been confirmed). Red is not an un-aging autistic child who insists on flirting with as many girls as he can without ever actually getting laid (cough Ash cough), he's a silent weirdo who quickly defeats all 8 gym leaders in his region and becomes champion, only to spend the rest of his existence sitting on a mountain bored out of his skull.
Also, Gary's definitely not Blue. He's so much better than Blue that he got 10 gym badges in one region.
Even if it isn't his fault, that doesn't make him not evil.
That's like saying Darth Vader was completely and utterly justified at the end of the original trilogy. He still did plenty of horrible things in his life, he just decided to not die as completely evil at the end.
I still think the moral of the story about the Giant choosing to not be a weapon would have been made more clear if the TV dream scene had got into the final product. It would have made some people more scared of the Giant after watching it, but that's the point. He chose NOT to be an indestructible interplanetary weapon.
>oh no guys Carmen Sandiego stole something so ridiculous and high profile that we have no choice but to investigate
>in our investigation we came across a criminal 60 times worse than Carmen and yet lower profile somehow
>it's almost as if she was leading us to them
>we've apprehended the scumbag and recovered the thing Carmen stole but she slipped away dang it
Literally every episode. Carmen did nothing wrong
And he's been on South Park before and nobody gave a shit.
Just showing Mohammed doesn't raise heckles. It's mainly when you play it up for controversy/drama/trolling that it gets people pissed off. The cartoons were being mostly ignored until some fags decided to make an issue out of it and people started doing it just to spite others.
Kind of like how nobody in the US cares about all the kids that go missing everyday- until there's some cute girl who goes missing and the media jumps all over it. Now everyone has a fucking opinion on some random girl they've never seen, never will see, and will probably grow up to be a complete nobody like everyone else.
>yfw Carmen Sandiego was a loyal ACME agent deep undercover the whole time
This was what made me feel I could honestly say "I've seen some shit" when I first watched it years ago. The whole fucking thing is just insane.
I honestly don't know how people don't think Freddy Kreuger was a child molester. Sure it was never stated in the original but its pretty fucking heavily implied.
Aside from metaphors like attacking children when they're in bed and people blocking out memories of him, there are also more in text stuff that identifies him as a sexual predator. He cuts off his finger and squirts blood at Tina, which is a clear ejaculation metaphor. He also mimes cunilingus at Tina and tells Nancy that he'll be her boyfriend, before shoving his tounge down his throat. Dude is clearly a creeper and you don't have to read that far between the lines to figure it out.
Also in the opening sequence of either ANoES 4 or 5, don't remember which, Freddy is confirmed for molesting children. So there's that too.
It is bad to lock them in bathtubs for three months and give them the concrete shoes treatment.
I know it's a bit late in the thread, but what about "heroes" who did everything wrong? The Watterson family in particular are homicidal, kleptomaniacal loons.
The end does not justify the means. The fact that he severely over-estimated the power of wakfu means that everything he did was for nothing. Should he have been successful, then literally nothing he did would matter since it technically didn't happen. But he failed, so it does. He murdered people and gained absolutely nothing.
Eh, I like to think she's doing bad because she wanted a new challenge, but then became intrigued with the idea of essentially training new agents to eventually best her, so as to make ACME a truly formidable force against the real scum of the earth.
The comic about his origins has him as a cartoon villain who got hit in the head too many times that he thought he was a real villain.
So in a sense he didn't do anything wrong because he's been injured to the point of psychopathy.
How the hell does that make any sense? Toons are supposed to be nigh immortal beings who can survive all manner of physical harm. How the hell does one get psychosis or whatever from being struck too many times?
While what you say is true, murderers who WILL do that shit in the name of islam outnumber all the other religions combined. And the Catholics in other countries aren't going to go out murdering people over this shit the IRA does, so your analogy is short.
The studio and broadcasters got death threads. And not from some lone lunatic in Saudi Arabia. From US citizens.
Probably not. Thats impersonating an officer. Violating posse cometaus. Several hundered counts of manslaugter 1. But probably not treason. I think they'd charge him with it, and he'd get off
There's a difference between accidentally gunning down a few dozen people and literally wiping out an entire state by accident. The guy might not have been executed for nearly nuking everybody, but he's probably sitting in a cell while trying to come to grips that he was wrong, or still thinking he was acting the hero.
Pretty much this. I have a lot of respect for the religion of Islam, but moderate Muslims aren't as common as most people think.
Except that Wes Craven said he originally wanted Kreuger to be a molestor, but he removed it from the original script, because he thought it would be too controversial. Other than that the character remained unchanged.
And Kravens word changed over time. In some interviews he straight up denies Kreuger being a child molester, in others he would dance around the subject which would seem to confirm it by default.
I think Kreuger was also meant to be a child molester, but Kraven never confirmed it because he didn't want to admit he turned a pedophile into a pop culture icon.
When you're so mad at people you become a literal walking nightmare, you're already scarier than most things. Besides, the kiddie diddling angle would only work for the immediate victims prior to his death. Once they're dead, what's the point of that characteristic if his victims from there on are teen/young adults?
I think the sexual element of Freddy Kreuger adds to his scare factor. Kreguer invading your deepest thoughts and dreams is a clear rape metaphor. Everything about the character is representative of a sexual predator. He attacks his victims while they're in bed, the fact that he makes sexual comments towards his victims. Denying the possibility that Kreuger was a sexual predator is denying what truly makes the character scary imo.
No, McCarthy was definitely a freak, and an opportunistic swindler and conman. The minute he tried his shit with some one actually influential in society (the military), he was shut down in days and laughed out of senate.
It's too bad half or more of these threads either don't try to explain or just post someone who's an obvious psychopath. Makes it hard to find the serious and interesting posts.
Kinda 70% of the thread right here. You can have understandable motivations and still be a villain. Really out of place but Agents of SHIELD had Ward's brother even say 'Yeah I had a shitty childhood too, I'm not a murderer though."
He wanted to bring down the powerful rather than just elevate the weak. He'd be completely able to rally non-benders for more representation in the government and have just given chi blocking as general non-bender self defense (being able to non lethally disable people at will is a pretty good skill). Even exposing how easy it was to corrupt pro-bending was fine. The problem comes when he goes on his rampage of martial law and ripping bending out of people's grasps. Under his rules Healing and easy/clean power go out the window. Construction becomes more difficult, and anything else that did rely on bending to work now has to be re-engineered and probably less efficiently.
That certainly is one thing to consider; how much of industrialization in the Avatar world was reliant on bending? While we know there wasn't a tremendous gap between non-bender workers and bender workers, it could have thrown the entire world into a spiral if the people who were pivotal in making things work couldn't interact with shit anymore.
Fucking Seth Rogen gets more lines than him.
I hate Dreamworks casting so goddamned much.
>implying KKK was bad
Aside from not finishing the job they've done nothing wrong.