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ITT: Villains who did nothing wrong This mother fucker should

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ITT: Villains who did nothing wrong

This mother fucker should have been top dog no matter who Linguinni was related to or what was in his head. His only crime was trying to get a useless fuck out of his kitchen.
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>>78937216
>should have been

That's not how the law works, son. If someone owns a business and they give the business they own to someone else you can't just take over because you 'should'.

Besides Skinner was a garbage chef who was running the restaurant into the ground. The first critic says something along the lines of 'against all expectations, I actually enjoyed myself for the first time in ages' meaning he should NOT have been top dog.
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He wanted to sell out the Gusteau name to shitty frozen food companies.

Gusteau doesn't represent that.
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Exactly what he said would happen, happened. And the resolution of the third movie wasn't a resolution at all because it's just going to happen again.
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>>78937831
But that just means the resolution will happen again.
And being "right" doesn't really justify what they did.
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Mrs. Dimple was a shit, but Max's only crime was being paid by her. As a person he seemed to like the animal's music, it's just that his job was to do what a bitch told him to do.
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He himself proved how incredibly dangerous cartoons could be to humans, thereby justifying his own cause.
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>>78938417
He still killed a dude. Plus the deeds of one guy shouldn't cast out an entire race.
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>>78937620
he wasnt a garbage chef, he just played it safe and made every recipe exactly according to the book, allowing no creativity to come into play.
>>78937216
kind of yeah. he had a more legitimate claim than just blood, but he was still basically a shit.
>>78937653
there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. the problem is those things are so fucking overpriced.
>>78937972
the more you analyze these films the more something needs to be done to end toy sentience, as it's some kind of horrible, horrible mistake that neither toys nor humans want
>>78938417
emphasis on COULD be. in practice literally no other toons ever had been. even the past toon murderer was him
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>>78937831
Hmm, being passed along to a new child eventually stuck in some attic OR spend an eternity locked in a glass cage, constant eye witnesses and security cameras making it impossible for you to move.
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>>78938417
But was his cause about Toons being a danger? I thought he was just a greedy ass who wanted to muscle toons out of their land, people just assumed he was a toon hater.
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>>78938562
Yeah, but toys are more into being loved then having their free will. If they wanted to stay mobile forever, they'd be trying to avoid children, not intentionally trying to stick with them.

A museum offers the love of an infinite number of people.
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This guy
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>>78937653
heh, frozen food is something everyone can cook
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I know that you've all seen it, you degenerate fucks.
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>>78937216
Holy shit OP, I was actually just thinking about this earlier today.

I feel like they finished writing the plot and someone realized that Skinner really hadn't done anything to warrant being a "villain", so they just tacked on him turning Gustau's (I hope I spelled that right) into a frozen dinner brand.

They really didn't use this element fully in the movie unless it felt like it was tacked on.
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Panda genocide was self defense. He was bringing the industrial revolution to the world but some fat faggot Luddite panda had to ruin everything because "muh kung fu"
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>>78937216
He was perpetuating the downfall of cooking as an art, shifting it into mass-produced frozen food lines that 'everyone can cook'.
He was also doing this using the name of a once five-star chef out of Paris god dam France of all places.

This man was a businessman, not a chef, and has no place in a kitchen. Let alone Gusteau's.
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>>78939123
>A museum offers the love of an infinite number of people.
Except they would never be played with, and for them a toys entire purpose is to be played with.

They probably just like Andy the most because that's where most of them have lived their whole lives so they didn't want to be forgotten by their best friend.
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>>78939157
>Sells out humanity for no fucking reason
>Changes his mind for no fucking reason
He was definitely wrong in one way or another.
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>>78939265
Isn't this on youtube?

That's the only thing that really surprised me.
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>>78937831
>Exactly what he said would happen, happened. And the resolution of the third movie wasn't a resolution at all because it's just going to happen again.

I'm on the fence about this. Because the fact Woody and crew have inside friends at Daycare, and now know a trick to get "passed on" to the next kid, I feel like they'll be able to live long toy lives. Stinky Pete didn't realize that all things have a life. Even behind glass, sooner or later his exhibit would not be relevant and possibly put into storage. Museums rotate their stuff all the time.
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>>78938269
>Mrs.
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Come wayward souls
Who wander through the darkness
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>>78939516
She's an underaged hollywood starlet, even if she doesn't have a ring she's getting pounded by L.B. Mammoth every night.
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>>78939323
It's called Self fulfilling Prophecy.
He was told a Panda would defeat him, so he kills a ton of panda. Securing that any panfas that did survive would want revenge.
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>>78939384
You can't fight pure energy
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>>78937216
I'm pretty sure trying to cheat someone out of their inheritance is wrong.
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>>78939323

Self defense implies the pandas attacked him, which is not the case. He massacred a village full of innocent men, women, and children because MUH PROPHECY.

Tai Lung was actually more in the right than Shen was.
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>>78939326
oh come on. people have been preparing food for faster preparation since the beginning of time. you might as well accuse the first guy to cook with fire of 'perpetuating the downfall of nutrition'
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>>78939598
Not true, the panda village was making zero progress towards taking revenge on their genocider and Po didn't even know who Shen was. And even after he learned, he wasn't motivated by revenge at all.

So the prophecy was just a regular prophecy, Shen got defeated by a panda because that's what happened.
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>>78939627
Sure you can.
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At least he manned up and tried to kill Moon Knight. He's more of a man than I am.
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He only took away bending from gang members and people who abuse their powers for personal gain. He didnt bother with the innocent. Everyone he's targeted, either deserved it or was proving his point that benders were what was wrong with the world. And he was right. He was always right. If amon had his way, the rest of the seasons would not have happened
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>>78939226
Hannibal was more of an anti-villain though. He actually thought he was doing the world a favor .
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>>78939326
BECAUSE HE'S MICHAEL EISNER

DO YOU GET IT NOW
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>>78939695
Not the anon, but he isnt talking about revenge specifically. He just means that the fact that he tried to stop the prophecy from happening, was what actually sets the prophecy in stone. If he never heard about the prophecy, he wouldnt have tried to stop it by killing off the pandas.
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>>78939754
With the goal of taking it from everyone, which he eventually does, ending in debending fucking children of a pacifist culture.
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>>78939754
If Amon had his way, he would have taken bending away from everybody.
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I agree

THERES A FUCKING RAT IN THE KITCHEN

THEY COULDA HAD A QUICK SCENE OF THAT RAT NIGGA TAKING A BATH BUT NO
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>>78938555
Forget "garbage chef", he is legally obligated to relinquish ownership if he knows that Linguini is the actual inheritor. Obfuscating the fact and hiding that information is illegal and a form of fraud, as was pimping out the Gusteau trademark which he also wouldn't have ownership of.

Skinner was legitimately breaking the law.
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>>78940034
He walked on his feet instead of all fours. And I believe he washes his hands immediately before making the soup. Early on they established that Remi understood hygiene from the shows he watched.
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There's nothing wrong with feeding your pets.
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>>78939272
It just occurred to me, but he looks just like one of those AyyLmaos from "Mars Attacks"
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>>78939265
What is this from? I've only seen the briefest clips.
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>>78939754
>and people who abuse their powers for personal gain
He was going to debend Bolin, who at that point was barely making a living with his bending even as a probender, due to alleged connection with the bending gangs. There was obviously monumental evidence against Lightning Bolt Zolt, but Bolin? Hearsay. Even Mako says they only ran numbers.
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>>78937216

>literally breaks the law
>"he did nothing wrong!"

Good post OP.
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>>78938462
Tell that to tumblr
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>>78940171
I wouldn't be surprised if Oogway hinted to Shifu that Tai Lung was lacking, hoping his pupil and successor would correct the problem, but Shifu instead took it as Tai Lung needing to physically train harder.
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>>78940449
Makes sense I guess? I mean i can see the reasoning behind it, though that means both Tai Lung and Shifu failed the test.
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He was completely right about humans.
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>>78940796
Speaking of people who are right about humans
>humans are the source of everything that's bad
>Not good. Never good. After all I'm only human
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>>78939728
indeed
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>>78940193
Judas and Jesus
https://vimeo.com/12836360
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>>78938269
>implying you get a free pass for assault and attempted murder because you're paid to do it
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Wolf did nothing wrong.
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>>78939754
Sooooooo what part of kidnapping innocent children and removing their bending isn't wrong?
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He had comics and appeared on South Park.
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>>78940796
He was also a hypocritical shit
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>>78940796
Elf scum can't even breed right. They deserve their extinction.
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>>78941441

He may have also been extorted to do so.
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>>78939323

If you want to go that route, it's more the seer's fault for telling him that prophecy, without it, he wouldn't have gone and genocided all the innocent pandas.
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Literally just doing what his society asks of him (even though they didn't ask HIM personally)
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>>78943651

Wow, a human and a dog, so original..
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>>78937216
Was literally just trying to do her job and maintain the exceptional standards of MU and the Scaring Department
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>>78943650
She didn't tell him.
His parents asked the seer and she told them. He just happened to overhear.
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>>78943715
bad joke
zim doesn't have the hair and contacts
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>>78943715
That's an alien. Humans have pupils and pompadours.
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>>78939265
It may be blasphemy, pornography and degeneracy, but it's still art.
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>>78939323
So what came first: this or Avatar? Who ripped who off?
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>Avatars abused their power constantly for centuries
>ripped small kingdoms away from the bigger countries to rule as personal cult fiefdoms
>raped women
>murdered legitimate rulers of countries
>held back civilization and technological advancement that could aid the lives of millions
>supported so-called balance even when the standards of living in Fire Nation-controlled areas was much higher than people living in igloos or grass huts could ever achieve

Literally did nothing wrong.
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This sexy motherfucker right here did LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG
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>>78944043
He didn't finish the job.
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>>78938269

Well, wasn't he a gorilla or something?
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>>78943814

Even then, the fact that she knew a panda would defeat him makes me think she kind of knew the route he would take that would make the prophecy come true.

Even if she didn't, she just shouldn't have said it at all, you think the parents wouldn't have let it slip to him, either by accident or by warning?
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>>78939510

Depends, if they were something actually considered historic like fossils or icons of a bygone era, they'd be on display for ages to come. Being a full collection of rare toys, even in Japan, probably wouldn't have them on display for more than a decade or two before being shelved for god knows how long
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>>78943946

> Implying the fire nation wasn't trying to snuff out actual advanced civilizations like the many cities of the earth Kingdom + wanting to basically wipe the northern water tribe off the map.
> Implying they weren't also indirectly trying to wipe out other forms of bending in general besides their own ((taking all southern waterbenders prisoner, taking a lot of earthbenders prisoners + forcing many others to have to hide their power, killing ALL airbenders except one))
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>>78939319

He hid a man's rightful inheritance from him, and was seeking to capitalize on his former boss' namesake for shitty food.
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>>78944203
>earth kingdom
>northern water tribe
>advanced

>implying firebending isn't the most useful bending for a modern society
>implying the ability to create cheap, clean electricity at will wouldn't revolutionize the entire planet
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>>78944203
>>78943946

Also forgot the fire nation literally trying to burn ALL of the earth kingdom to ash because a teenager said the people were stubborn
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>>78939627

Tell that the maker of BOB
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>>78944311
It's a war. Shit happens. They should have given up and accepted civilization.
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>>78944311

At the time of TLA, the earth kingdom and fire nation were basically the same in terms of advancement, and I mentioned the northern water tribe because it's not like they were retarded barbarians, sure they lived in ice but the buildings themselves were goddamn beautiful + not wasting scarce resources, there wasn't any instances of electricity being used commercially yet anywhere either.
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>>78944376

meant for >>78944294
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>>78940449

Hard to say, Oogway was vague as fuck, and probably a bit senile as well.

Of course, even he must have realized that by shutting down Tai Lung the way he did, he only instigated darkness within him. Maybe saying "you're not the warrior, yet" would have been a softer blow?
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>>78944376
>were the same in terms of advancement
>fire nation had flying air cities, the steam engine, the turbine, tanks, and giant steampunk drills

>same in terms of advancement to people who literally threw mud at each other
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>>78943840

And are completely insane
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>>78943946
>raped women

Where? When? Who?
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>>78944368
>sends a 14 year old girl to war

and people still wonder why she had a breakdown.
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>>78943946
>all this bait

Fuck you, anon. I know who you're trying to summon and you're a fuck ass for doing so.
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>>78944421
>had flying air cities

Uh... no, they didn't. They had zeppelins, which they stole from an EARTH kingdom engineer
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>>78944457

>>78944467
Alexander the Great won at Madisyn when he was 16. Scipio Africanus was 16 when he lead forces in his father's wars.

Azula was just a tiny bit ahead of history's genius curve.

>>78944502
>implying a shitty little balloon is the same thing as Ozai's massive air cities
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>>78944524

They weren't fucking cities you imbecile. And even then, the mechanist guy literally created the things first. Ipso facto, they were both equal in technological advancement
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He was wrong, but IF the cube drove him to believe it was possible it's not his fault
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>>78944583
>mechanic guy built a giant flying city

Gee, something like that sure would have been useful when the Fire Nation came to kick him out on his ass. Must have left the keys to it in his other pants, huh? That sucks.
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>>78944524

Who did he rape?
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>>78944609

They weren't fucking cities you goddamn retarded mongoloid. Even then, just because he didn't mass produce them means that it invalidates him being the original maker of the flight enabled craft
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He just wanted some of that fine gypsy ass, can't blame him at all for wanting to burn down Paris to fuck her.
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>>78944648
>some guy invents a paper lantern that rises because of a candle stuck inside it

>that guy can now take credit for airplanes and the space shuttle

This is how stupid you sound.
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>>78944043
He let himself get tricked by an army made of balloons. He also lost an entire army because he didn't plan for Russian winters in Stalingrad.
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>>78944689

Nobody said anything about planes or shuttles. And you're the one being stupid for shifting the goalposts after calling airship/zeppelins "cities" you retarded shit
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Name one thing Barracuda ever did wrong.
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>>78944745

Be a character from a comic with a successful movie serial
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>>78944689
No, but he gets credited as the father of the hot air balloon.

>man invents the lightbulb
>someone else puts a bunch of bigger lightbulbs together and is now totally way ahead of the other guy!
This is how stupid YOU sound. Not the guy you were arguing with, by the way.
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>>78943946
He genocided Airbenders and waged war against every other nation.
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>>78944773
Not to mention the guy who put together the bigger lightbulbs commissioned the other guy to make the first one in the first place and he designed them as well.
But it's a troll either way.
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>>78939581
This
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>>78944745
He tried to fuck with Frank.

He also said "Fuck the uniform", right in front of Nick Fury.
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>>78944467

The entire family is pretty fucked up.
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>>78944708
>>78944773
>>78944796
I bet you're the same kind of meme'ers that say "le tesla wuz da best" instead of Edison.

>>78944777
Airbenders were troglodytes living in caves. The other nations were holding back humanity and depriving their people.
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>>78944837

Dude, you're a fucking idiot. By your logic, if someone does an improvement/makes a breakthrough with another's work, they are somehow superseding the original person as the inventor.

And that's flat out retarded. By your logic then, Newton is the fucking inventor of gravity because he gave it concrete definition while nature expected us to "get it" without saying squat.
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The Jedi were garbage and couldn't keep the peace even when the galaxy was not crumbling from war.
The Rebels were nothing more than inhuman terrorists, destroying the peace and order that was established on the galaxy after years of fighting.
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>>78944889
>someone can invent a natural law

Just go to bed, kid. Go to bed.
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>>78944924

>this terrible reading comprehension

You're the kid here, sport
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Aside from not killing his son, he's done nothing really bad.
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>>78945009

He ordered a gang to kill some kid's dad.

And look what it got him, ultra skin canscur
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>>78937831
Andy outgrew the toys, but he still loved and cared for them. And like Woody said, even if andy tossed them, he wouldn't miss the time they had for the world.
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>no one's mentioned Nox yet
Is it so wrong for someone to want their family back?
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He just wanted to go the super computer. Would you say a man is wrong for wanting to visit another world?
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>>78945140
On the similar note
He just wanted to stop being a two-bit thug and advance his career.
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How is he a villain at all?
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>>78940434
Tumblr knows that
And acts on it.
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He's literally evil incarnate. You can't fault somebody for their nature. That'd be like saying a dog is wrong for eating one its puppies when it needs to thin the litter so the rest will survive.
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>>78938555
>he wasnt a garbage chef, he just played it safe and made every recipe exactly according to the book, allowing no creativity to come into play.

That's exactly what being a garbage chef is. A chef is someone who makes new dishes. Someone who just follows recipes is a cook. See, there's a big difference there. It's not even a matter of being creative or conservative. Coming up with new dishes was actually his job.
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>Raised from an infant to believe he was destined for greatness
>Denied the Dragon Scroll for vague ambiguous reasons
>His master/father figure didn't defend him
>Loses his temper as anyone in his situation would
>Gets locked away for twenty years while being literally immobile.
>Despite all of that he still never actually kills anyone even though he is given plenty of opportunities
He dindu nuffin. Tai Lung is just a tragic hero.
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>>78945457
You forgot
>lost what he'd been raised to think is his destiny to some fatass moron who hardly caree about Kung Fu
>finally achieves his destiny of reading the scroll only to find out that it was nothing but some bullshit fortune cookie
>literally his wholelife revolved around a shiny piece of paper, and after all the consequences of being denied tin foul his status as rightful village hero and dragon warrior was stripped, his sensei turned his back on him, and he hot turned into fucking dust
>all because oogway wanted to make some deep point
Who's the real villain?
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>>78943946
>>78944043
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>>78945706
Tai Lung.
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>>78938555
He was a garbage chef because he cared more about selling the brand than the actual quality of food. He was the WORST kind of restaurant owner and head chef.
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>>78945069
Not just one kid's dad.

When Blight wants to know who Terry is, Terry's response is "You killed my father."

Followed by Blight getting angry because that doesn't narrow things down at all. He's killed way more than just Terry's dad.
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>>78945748
Shen had a prophecy that may have had destiny be responsible for his actions. There was potentially no stopping what happened.
Tai Lung had his /whole life/ built up on this idea, with his adoptive father expecting so much of him, only to be denied what was said to be already his. Oogway could've stopped it all by mentioning that he wasn't the warrior and why from the start. He also could've downplayed the whole "no ingredient" scroll as that was more of a "way to be you, champ" the than anything. "Hey Tai lung, you can be a cool warrior and all, just know you ain't the one before you get your hopes up"
"Po, I know my shit. Just cus you feel doubtful or sad doesn't mean you ain't the warrior"
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>>78944043
>betrays one of the two world superpowers

>then declares war on the other
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>>78945840
Sucks for Tai Lung but no he's the villain.
When he threatens to destroy a village of unrelated innocents because he feels gyped, he becomes the villain.
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>>78945706
Tai Lung. The fact remains is that he threw a giant hissy fit and caused a lot of damage and hurt a lot of people when he didn't get what he wanted, showing that he was never worthy of it in the first place. If he'd been a good student, and a good person, he would have accepted the decision, or even bothered to ask why.
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>>78945840
Those are the kinds of lessons that are more valuable when you learn them on your own. They're the kind of thing you'll never accept if someone else just tells you. Notice how it worked just fine for Po. Tai Lung was clearly the problem there, not Oogway.
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>>78945840
Oogway sensed a darker side of Tai Lung that no one else saw. he knew that Tai Lung would've gone mad with power and laid waste to the village either way.
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>>78945840
>She foretold that if Shen continued down this dark path, he would be defeated by a warrior of black and white.

Shen literally had the choice to defy the prophecy. Instead, he decided genocide was a better option than not being a huge asshole.
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>>78945706

Po cared about kung fu, he just didn't initially have the heart to give it his all and become like the masters he admired
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>>78945892
>>78945907
>>78945936
>>78945953
Thanks for the seizure. Also yeah, he's obviously a shit lord and all, but when your entire life is built around a single idea, going postal is a tad less of a hissy fit than standard tantrums. It isn't like he found out about at the last moment and went "oh boy I hope it's me"
But no, I'm aware he's the real villain. It's his entire role in the main bit. The question was rhetorical and joking.
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>>78945791

Eh, he might have. Or he just figured "Oh gee, another brat who blames ME for their dear daddy's death who probably offed himself after being laid off"
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>>78946030
Well it didn't help that the heroes he admired most treated him like shit from moment one.
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>>78945953
Oogway seriously did a shit job, his whole school was really lacking any sense of inner peace. Not even Sifu could understand the scroll at first.
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>>78945457
>Despite all of that he still never actually kills anyone even though he is given plenty of opportunities
I'm glad to know that all the rhinos made it out alive after he threw them wholesale into the endless abyss and then collapsed the fucking mountain on top of them.
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>>78946026
It's been a while since I've seen the movie. The peacock seemed like a shit anyway. Oogway still could've done something though, I'm sure.
>>78946030
Perhaps, but it was more of a "dude, yeah, that sounds cool" sort of thing than an actual interest in fully learning. Even when he was more into it by being claime the warrior, from an outside perspective he seemed like some random guy that was wasting his time.
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>>78945953

Likely because Master Shifu raised him to believe he was going to be THE Dragon Warrior. Had Oogway taken Shifu aside and said "Bro, you need to take his expectations down a notch", there likely wouldn't have been any "darker side" within Tai Lung
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>>78946030
He was actually giving it his all. He just didn't know how and everyone at the palace was more interested in watching him fail than actually guiding him.

>>78946086
It's not that he had no interest in learning. He just didn't believe he could. He said so himself in the movie. He really wanted to because he felt that it was his chance of not being a loser anymore.
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>>78946060

It was only really Tigress who treated him like shit outright. Crane was more or less trying to avoid him, likely because he didn't want any hard feelings in the end. Mantis and Viper seemed to be ok with him. Hard to say about Monkey, since he only has like 4 lines I think
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>>78946086
He didn't attempt to fully learn because A) his dad was stifling his dreams and pushing him towards staying in the noodle shop and B) because he's a fucking fat-ass panda.

Also I'm pretty sure the school was invite only. None of the pupils were there because they just wandered up and wanted to be let in, they were specifically tracked down and invited to study kung fu and nobody else.
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>>78946026

And even in the movies events, the Soothsayer gave Shen one last chance to stop it. He could have walked away. Stop the crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPEVKhJ55m4

But Shen felt that he was in too deep to pull out now.
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>>78946146

Not quite at first. Po was initially being a little showy about it, given that he was hoping to impress the Five. Granted, it was a sweet gesture, since it's hardly wrong to want to impress potential new friends
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>>78946055
Didn't he also gas Terry's friend to death because he knew too much and showed the photos of his worsening condition and death to a politician who wanted to purchase that gas?

He was so calm about this it seems he had people killed before.
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On the subject of KFP, anyone else wonder if Master Shifu will bite in the third film? Granted, we know that they plan on 3 more films after the one coming this month, it seems likely they'll kill him off before the final film.
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>>78946106
This is actually wrong.

Shifu said that Tai Lung was "destined for greatness", but both of them knew that it was never Shifu's decision to make. The real thing that set Tai Lung off was that Shifu didn't argue with Oogway in his defense.
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>>78946259

It seems pretty clear he was raising Tai Lung to be the Dragon Warrior, at least at some point in Tai's training. Even then, Shifu still should have been pulled aside by Oogway and told "don't get his hopes up"
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>>78946293
Is it really so far-fetched that maybe Oogway was hoping he would be worthy?
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>>78946326

Given how they portray Oogway as the type who just "knows" things, it's hard to say. Even, Oogway has some fault for not alerting Shifu about Tai Lung's "darkness" and finding a way to keep it from consuming him.

Yea, you could argue that "everyone has a dark side", but we've yet to see if that's a factor in the KFP world or not.
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>>78946361
When it comes down to it, though, Tai Lung had a choice, and he chose wrong.
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>>78939164
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>>78946198
No, he was actually trying. The training was unusually harsh and everyone was beating him up because they were hoping he'd give up and he still kept trying. What made the difference later wasn't Po's attitude. It was Sifu's. Once he actually came up with a way to help Po realize his own potential instead of trying to break him out of spite, he was actually a great martial artist.
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>>78944294
>>earth kingdom
>>northern water tribe
>>advanced
>>implying firebending isn't the most useful bending for a modern society
>>implying the ability to create cheap, clean electricity at will wouldn't revolutionize the entire planet

Nah. Earthbending all up in that shit, by orders of magnitude.

Earthbending means NEVER having crop problems, lack of shelter, advanced metallurgy, defensive structures, advanced tool design, etc. etc. etc. Add in metalbending from the Legend of Korra and things get crazy really fast.

Keep in mind, something like 1% of all Earth citizens are benders. And the Earth Kingdom is spectacularly close to the current population of China, somewhere around several hundred million to a billion citizens on one large continent. For every earthbender, there are perhaps hundreds or even thousands of non-bender civilians surviving thanks to the ridiculous power earthbenders have for civilization advancement. And then you factor in that a lot of earthbenders don't actually use their abilities to help their communities in any meaningful way. Which means the reality is that for every Earthbender, probably 10,000 people even exist.

And then you get the non-benders in there. And that's where the really crazy shit hits the fan. With every earthbender possibly supporting thousands of non-benders, non-benders are critical to filling in the gaps an earthbender can't. Smelting, hunting, trade, politics, science.

The smartest guy in Avatar is Sokka, a kid who can't bend a paperclip. Over the course of the original series, he proceeds to create maybe a dozen useful inventions which are still in use or radically improved upon by the time Legend of Korra occurs. Without bending, he has to outsmart the blockages in his path. This is largely posible entirely thanks to the Earth Kingdom being a place where the peple have no major need for resource wars and instead have largely dedicated their talent to learning.
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>>78946361
Say Oogway "knew" and told Shifu in advance. You think Shifu would've believed that his surrogate son would go so absolutely apeshit?

Throughout the movie it was demonstrated that Tai Lung was an emotional blind spot for the guy. It's entirely possible that Oogway knew that as much as he knew that Tai Lung would go nuts, so his hands were tied.
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They only wanted to avenge their old blind friend after he was beaten to death for simply pissing of another black man.
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>>78946492
>Earthbending means NEVER having crop problems, lack of shelter, advanced metallurgy, defensive structures, advanced tool design, etc. etc. etc. Add in metalbending from the Legend of Korra and things get crazy really fast.
The joke is that they never had all of that in TLA (well dunno about crop problems), while the Fire kingdom DID utilize their powers for creating machines and shit
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>>78946492

> 1% of all Earth kingdom citizens are benders

That seems a bit small a percentage, even for the Earth kingdom.

> Smartest guy in avatar is Sokka, a kid who can't bend a paperclip

It's not that he's smart, per say, he's just really creative and intuitive, which lends itself to making useful inventions/unpredictable strategies.

And it's not like he's weak, it was more just that he was outclassed by the skilled benders in the group, at least comparatively, until he learned how to use a sword in book 3, which made him basically as useful in the group when paired with his plans.
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>>78946483

He was still being somewhat showy and acting a fair bit on fanboy fantasy than going full on right from the get go. After Oogway spoke to him, Po definitely took it upon himself to be more serious, even if it wasn't until Shifu's change of tactics that actually begun his training proper.

>>78946498

Wouldn't have to say "Yo, that kid gonna go murderize us someday", but at least make it clear to Shifu that Tai Lung would need lessons to maintain inner balance or some shit like that
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>>78943756
She's not really a villain, just an antagonistic character. The RORs were the villains.
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The world literally would be better off with him in charge.
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>>78946592
But they didn't.
They said they didn't, but I'm sure you know that .
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>>78946827
Remembered that one Freakazoid episode where the blue dude traveled back in time and made that Pearl Harbor never happened.

Not only many things turned out to be better, but Brain became the US President.

Pinky was piloting the plane.
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he just wanted to make snow cones
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>>78946592
those guys were legit assholes. they even showed them being assholes throughout the whole show. why are they assholes? they literally have no reason.
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>>78946884
Agreed. KND always came to ruin his ideas. He was the only adult in the cast's rogue gallery that never had any evil plans at all.

Even in the short he appeared in, Kenny and The Chimp, he also had some nice motivations. Dude needs more respect.
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>>78946870

And it took was getting rid of Chevy Chase
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>>78946913

Because they niggas, that's reason enough.
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>>78946884
>>78946929
Well, he was occasionally a villain. Just not to the KND's cause. His arch-enemies were the PTA. He may have done something wrong in Kenny and the Chimp.
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>>78946956
>His arch-enemies were the PTA. He may have done something wrong in Kenny and the Chimp.

And he paid for it with his lobster pincer arm.
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>>78946055
Blight is great, he's so goddamned evil he got skin cancer that kills OTHER people.
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>>78946989
Well, I guess it's more like he may have attempted to do something wrong but failed spectacularly.
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>>78946998
I wonder what was his beef with the PTA.
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Jerry can eat a dick
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>>78947013
I don't know and I'm glad they never explained it. It's funnier like this.
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>>78947047
Agreed. Better leave it vague.
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>>78947024
i never got the sense of which exactly was the good guy/bad guy sense Jerry was much of an asshole as Tom
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>>78947078
Both were assholes. Only that Tom was more active about it.
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>>78943946
Agreed.
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>>78946071
They're Fucking RHINOS. Collapsing the mountain on them is a bit of a stretch. I imagine the ones who were thrown likely survived. Not many people die in this world unless strictly shown dying, which is about 4 or 5
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>>78940034
But rats are qt

they would not harm a fly.
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>>78940034

They showed him washing his hands, we can only assume he does it all the time whenever he cooks.

Shit, even when he had the rat pack helping he sent them all through that steamer thing to clean them.
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>>78944596
>IF
Of course it was the fucking cube, did you not watch the goddamn special? It fucked his mind up.
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>>78947107
Oh, a cat that won't be allowed to eat unless he does his job is more active about trying to catch a mouse? What a dick.
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>>78947335
Hey. Don't forget that most of the time he somewhat starts the things even without working for food.
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>>78944043
He tried to tell his generals how to win the war, even if he didn't knew shit about strategy
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>>78945299
>A chef is someone who makes new dishes. Someone who just follows recipes is a cook.

Huh, didn't know that distinction.
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>>78943099
Anon dont pretend like you wouldnt kidap korra every time you had the chance
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>>78939265
Try making a cartoon like that about Muhammad and see how fast you get beheaded/burnt/blown up.
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>>78940796
Most villains who talk shit about humans are right. We win in the end though because we're stubborn.
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>>78940152
It is when you're feeding them someone else's pets and other human beings.
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>>78937216
Except it wasn't his restaurant
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>>78945457
>>Loses his temper as anyone in his situation would

There's losing your temper and then there's nearly obliterating an entire village
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>>78947828
Meh, most Muslims wouldn't give a good goddamn as long as you don't actually show his face. The ones that'd be pissed are wahhabi and/or the closest thing the middle east has to the IRA.
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>>78947965
What's the point in doing mocking cartoons if you don't show his face? Not only show his face but have him wearing a T shirt with his own face on it as he ponces about being a faggot.
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>>78944467
She was fucked up before she was send out.
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>>78946599
They have a defensive wall that encompasses an area of multiple percentage points of their continent. It includes ALL THE FARMS necessary to feed that population. Even with a reduced interest in metal (which they develop a very hard boner for by the time of Legend of Korra) they also had interest and success in civilian mass transit and other advanced concepts for a massive population. They could rely on earth benders to provide the impetus for their technology advances because earthbending is 360 noscope hax bullshit.

The major difference between Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation in ATLA is that Earth Kingdom has yet to figure out metalbending while Fire Nation is using steel as a matter of necessity given the former fact. Literally the very instant Toph Bei Fong realizes she can bend metal the entire Fire Nation goes to shit. She turns their own weapons into armor, she has no fear of any goddamn weapon they throw at her. It's all suddenly gone to shit.

Again, Earthbending is hax on an epic scale. It takes the very basic of civilization and supercharges them. If Avatar was ever to get to our modern timeline, we'd see mass extraction of oil and metals without any environmental damage. We'd basically skip over nearly the enitrely of the 19th and 20th centuries in a few months, maybe a decade.

Earthbenders enable the Star Trek post-scarcity society, and do it FAST. hat they end up winning, then dominating the society afterward within a few decades is not just possible, it's fucking obvious.
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>>78947965
Dude. Muslims go all pissy when you actually portray Muhammad even without showing his face.

Their logic is beyond insane.
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>>78940796
Hypocritical as fuck asshole you mean
>LEMME RELEASE A GOD ON YO'
>KILL DAT NIGGA
>Oh shit its losing
>YUO ARE A MONSTER IF YOU KILL IT! IT'S THE LAST OF ITS KIND!
>Hurr
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>>78946166
True about Tigress and Crane.
Viper was being nice, I don't think she believed Po was the Dragon Warrior either, but felt bad because she saw that he was a nice guy.
Mantis appeared to feel the same way.
Monkey just seemed spaced out at all times.
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>>78946913
Hateocracy gonna hate, playa.
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>>78946913
>they literally have no reason.

Some people are cunts for no reason.
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>>78939722
lol you dopey cunt
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>>78937216
list their evil deeds
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>>78948628
I don't know what this is but I'm getting a cheap Gomez/Morticia knock off vibe.
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>>78948071
Yeah but the actual danger is overstated, For instance, I made that post something like an hour ago and nothing happe
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>>78947965
>eh, as long as you don't show his face, you won't get beheaded
>meh, what's the big deal
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>>78948628
Making me jealous.
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>>78948694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9OgNywlgCk

they're the villains of a show on disney xd
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>>78948694

Really? I thought they were a Team rocket rip off minus the Meowth
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>>78948724
>and nothing happe
>happe

Holy Shit! The Muslims got him.
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>>78948628
> "villains"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U-tb5Jflkw
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all he wanted was some pussy
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>>78946995
Never thought of it like that. But, made me laugh.
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>>78939345
The Prospector essentially wanted to force the other roundup gang members to experience the exact same thing he did, stuck on a shelf for years, looked at but never played with.
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>>78939553
Surely he wasn't just "born" The Beast. He had to have become that way... Right?
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>>78938462
tumblr pls go
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>>78939272
I like how the artist probably has never seen a brain before.

>Just draw a blob with wrinkles, it'll work.
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>>78944681
Book Frollo actually did nothing wrong.
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>>78944596
>>78947291
I always wondered... how much could the wakfu of the tree set back time by itself?

Could he absorb it faster than it used up time?

Could he have simply hopped back 10ish minutes, absorbed the tree, hopped back another 10... keep doing that forever, until he had gone back to his old life?

Could he have beaten Xelor?
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>>78947828
>>78947965
>>78948071

>Let's make a religious law that makes it illegal to show the prophet's face!
>Uh, why is that?
>Oh, so that way we won't idolize him and make his image something important... something beyond his message. We want to focus on his teachings after all


Literal reason for it... and yet, here we have a culture who has raised his image to untouchable levels.

Kinda missing the point, eh?
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Did she kidnap a child? Yes.

AFTER the flower keeping her alive was taken and destroyed by the king and her options were either kidnapping or dying.

And she even tried to just take some of her hair, but it didn't even work.
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>>78937216
He wanted to abuse the name of the man who employed him for his own personal benefit.
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>>78944681
>wanting to mate with a gypsy

That's wrong thing number one right fucking there.
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>>78948945
Felt really bad for him, actually. He just wanted her to be happy.
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>>78948787
kek
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>>78954013
if she were a true mother, she would have sacrificed her life for her child
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>>78945706

>hardly cared

That bit's wrong. Po cared deeply about it, he just was inept to actually doing it until Shifu stopped being such a dickhead.
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>>78946166

They were all initially dicks, though it made sense. Mantis and Viper chilled out, and Crane just wanted time to not be reminded that he lost the ultimate title to a scrub. Monkey didn't really seem to care too much.

I understood why Tigress was being a bitch, but it really wasn't fair to Po and it was understandable that Po was questioning himself when she's shit talking him constantly. Shifu was just a cockend.
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Niggas just tryna eat
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>>78948945
>Reminding everyone David Bowie is dead

Fuck you anon, I'm not crying!
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>>78954119
>Implying you don't want to fuck Esmeralda
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>>78953841
Did you not see the way going back in time wrecked his shit? It doesn't matter if that would have worked. He didn't have the means to do it more than once.
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>>78948374

Shame really, they get Jackie Chan, and Chan's barely doing anything noteworthy as an actor
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>>78948724

Weird, I thought that only happened when you say Candle Jack and then you
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>>78954347

Mantis and Viper never did anything dickish, though
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>>78937216
He broke the fucking law, dipshit

Fraud is a crime


Think before you post
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>>78944043
>bet on esoteric bullshit instead of fridge strategy
>betray your biggest alliance
>constantly says loopholes on his own bullshit in order to gets thing done quickly
>bite more than he could chew
>believed in his own legend
>did not studied the dangers of winter
>expected people to gently surrender at BASED GODLIKE REICH
>committed a genocide of at least 3 races and don't expected it to backfire at all, since they are SO DUMB
>terrible artist
>mediocre soldier

Hitler a shit.
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>>78938417
Toons are harmless most if the time, he was the only one that actually caused any actual harm. And even the toons themselves had no idea what the fuck was his problem.

>>78952843
/pol/ pls go.
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>>78953930
It's like when people literally interpret the Bible. Like, fuck, I'm Christian, but even I know it's symbolic. Muslims take it to the Nth degree though.
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>>78937831
The point went right over your damn head didnt it?

It's about enjoying the time you have now knowing full well that it will end someday. Just like... hmm I dunno. real life?
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>>78953681
I think he's holding it upside down. Like, he grabbed the brain, then flicked his wrist so he could do the whole 'hold it to the sky and shout' thing without letting go. From a top view/bottom view if flipped, the brain pretty much is just a bunch of squiggles.
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>>78943756
She was never portrayed as a villain though. Just intimidating as fuck. She was harsh, but not evil.
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>>78953841
He had been collecting wakfu and filling his tank for two hundred years. The tree of life was just the top-off. It probably got him more like 10 seconds, not half of the entire tank.
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>>78938417
He killed Eddie valiants brother, arguably in the long run setting up his own demise.
Your point would have been completely valid had he not killed eddies brother.
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>>78947125
autism.
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>>78954013

>Mentally abuse your child for years, telling her that she's pathetic and weak and wouldn't last a day outside the house

>Being in the right
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>>78952843
>>78940434

Getting some mixed messages here.
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>>78958492

>it's autism to point out that few people died

Get fucked, kid
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>>78954812

Canonically, Galactus is like a force of nature and inherently neutral. He is the balance between Eternity and Death.

(waiting to see what these two think of Galactus' "rehabilitation" in the new Ultimates book)
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>ITT
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This guy. Literally Ron Paul
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>>78944524
>>78944631
nobody, he's talking out of his ass
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If any of us were in the same situation, we probably would've made the same fuck up.
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>>78958884

Yea seriously. The guy was mutated by whatever the fuck was in that bleach or whatever, warping him like the Joker. And ye the literal second he's back to normal and even thanking the girls for restoring him, they clobber him harder just about any villain.
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>>78937216

Speaking of chefs...
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All he wants to do is make a good dramatic reality show
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>>78958777
>anarchy is good for you, goy!
No.
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>>78958968
He launched a nuke at his own perfectly safe country
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>>78959212
Where a killer robot was.
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>>78938417

That fucker gave us the L.A. freeway system, fuck him.

No seriously, check it out, his p;an was based on the history of how L.A. developed its freeway system. I also heard that Toontown is a stand-in for ghettos in L.A. that were ravaged by the freeway system.

Price and Seaman said that "the Red Car plot, suburb expansion, urban and political corruption really did happen," Price stated. "In Los Angeles, during the 1940s, car and tire companies teamed up against the Pacific Electric Railway system and bought them out of business. Where the freeway runs in Los Angeles is where the Red Car used to be."
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>>78958968

Considering how real the threat of communism was this is true, people think McCarthy was just a freak, they were wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASbmBsE7mU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQQCbL6Xy0
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>>78959308

It never killed anybody. And only went into "kill mode" because he and the other dickweeds almost killed a kid it was friends with
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>>78959477
McCarthy was just a freak and he did more damage to his cause through his unscrupulous methods, which made the McCarthy era an absolute joke. Whether there were communists infiltrating or not is completely irrelevant because his clownish antics ensured he'd be taken out of power and they'd be allowed to run free anyway, while poisoning further generations to his ideals because nobody would ever want to be like him.

He died a miserable penniless drunkard with zero power or respect and that's a good thing.
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>>78937216

He truly did nothing wrong.
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>>78959368
And this is why I can't ever get anywhere in city building games

Too worried to demolish any houses and actually place that quite needed train rail or highway or whatever
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>>78939265
Source?
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>>78944631
Well he did force Ursa to marry him.
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>>78960122
Already posted.
>>78941124
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>>78960126

Urza was Orzai's wife, not Kuruk's.
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>>78960099

You just got to be smart about it bro. Do what they in San Fransisco, they built a freeway system, but it doesn't go anywhere near residential areas, some of the worst spots in SF are far from a freeway system. Take a look at the Bronx, it went to shit too because a freeway runs right though it
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>>78945840
It wasn't that Tai Lung wasn't capable of being the dragon warrior, but he had no humility. He did not perform kung fu to protect the weak, but rather used it to prove he was strong.
His tantrum after he was denied is proof enough that under his training and skill, he did not understand kung fu.
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>>78946067
I think Oogway was retired in the first film, and had entrusted the school and students to Shifu as part of his preparations for when he's gone.
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>>78939323
>genocide was self defense
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>>78959477
>We must end freedom in order to stop communism to end freedom!
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>>78958425
But what did he talk like when he killed his brother?
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>>78943651
He also saved the Earth a few times in the process of trying to destroy it.
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>>78939157
No idea who he is, but he's pretty hot.
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>>78957734
What you on about, all of them were shit-talking Poe behind his back right right before he had that heart-to-heart with turtle man under the peach tree.
I remember a joke about picking a dragon warrior who could touch his toes, or at least see them and Mantis making a crack about the ground shaking where Poe walked.
Point is they were all dickish at first but it seemed that Mantis and Viper got over the whole not being the chosen one quickly and actually tried to help Poe after that.
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>>78939728
God this is my life minutes becoming a cop.
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>>78943946
Wasn't he gay for Roku
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Why do people even respond to these shitpost threads?
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>>78961753
Korso from Titan AE
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>>78961753
He betrays the entire human race to their genociders for no other reason then 'fuck fighting, that's too haaaard, man!'.
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>>78945254
>He's literally evil incarnate.
>ergo he did nothing wrong

that's usually how these threads go, yes
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>>78937216
He's Michael Eisner so yes he did something wrong.
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>>78958513

She was fostering dependence because she was terrified of losing her and dying.
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Gary was just better at everything that Ash wanted to be the best at, that's all. He was proud about what he accomplished, and didn't want to keep pushing Pokemon beyond their limits.

He left them behind to find trainers who didn't want to push them that hard, knowing that they would have better lives in the care of a less ambitious trainer.

He was brutal about it, because as we've seen how he handles rejection, it's just too painful to accept a set back on a journey as great as his.

Gary was the real hero!
#garyrights
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>>78963811
>Ratatouille is a spiritual sequel to Shrek

Mind blown.
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>>78943383
Yep. Animal food chains a bitch.
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>>78961820

Mantis and Viper just mostly joked, they weren't nearly as rude as Tigress or Crane were
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>>78963531

Except Aku is literally MADE of evil. He's no more at fault for what he does than the beasts in Bloodborne being the victims of plague
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>>78961170
Like Doc Brown hopped up on helium
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>>78939226
>>78939759
The guy fucking ate people you goofs.
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>>78966855
Doesn't mean he shouldn't be stopped.
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>>78939265
I did more than watch it pal
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He was right. The giant WAS a weapon.
The US were in the middle of a war and some giant robot had just landed in a little town, seemingly destroying everything made out of metal. He had every reason to think the Giant was a threat, and if not for Hogarth, it would have been.
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>>78968750
Forgot pic.
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>>78968750
>>78968816
But he ultimately became a bigger threat simply because the Giant had the potential.
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>>78966855
does this justify pedophilia?
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>>78968750
Yes the robot should've been considered dangerous, but that's no excuse for blowing a nuke on a town
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All he wanted was a historically accurate faire.
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>>78968997

That's a mental disorder, not a natural state of being/existence
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>>78959308
>the plan was to lead him away from the city so they can safely launch the nuke
>the robot is just standing in one spot doing nothing,inside the city.

Nah im pretty sure hes an idiot
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>>78947653

I think he mean Tenzin's kids.
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>>78967068
Yes and?
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>>78969360
But he didnt
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>>78971427

He kind of did, Peggy was the one trying to fight for better treatment despite the fact that the fair was structured after a time where commoner women had no status.

But no, god forbid Peggy be put in the corner
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>>78971542
He wanted a fire breathing dragon
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>>78971632

And how is that wrong?
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>>78971542
the other women working at the fair all seemed to corroborate that he was also just sexist in general
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>>78971896
It should've been a thunderwyvern
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>>78971974

He seemed to be behaving himself, at least physically. Yea, it might be shitty if he's making comments, but there are worse things he could have done.


>>78971992

Why's that?
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>>78970200
Would you say the same thing about transgenderism?
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>>78971542
>tfw the first jobs Peggy asked for were Queen and Warrior Princess
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>>78954013
>and her options were either kidnapping or dying.
No no, motherfucker. Dying is only an option because of the flower. She's trying to extend her lifespan unnaturally. That's wrong by most standards, but especially wrong because she kidnaps in order to do so. It wasn't like she was sick and would've died without the antidote flower, she literally is only doing it to live longer.
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>>78968750
I thought the message was that the weapon is only as dangerous as the one who wields it. Alone, after he crashed, the Giant didn't want to fight. He only responded to violence leveled against himself. By the end, despite that he was calm, Mansley ordered the missile because of his fear. A murderer with a pen is more dangerous than a pacifist with a gun.
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>>78972349

Depends. Some people are clearly affected enough in the head to think their natural gender is "wrong", but then you the ones who just think "I want a do over" like their genes were a cheating blackjack table
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>>78972464

It only became wrong to extend her life at the expense of another. She was in no way harming anyone with her actions prior. Of course, one had to wonder what she was going to do when Rapunzel was old and weak. Unless by then Gothel had found some way to extract the rejuvenation, she was essentially on borrowed time until Rapunzel's eventually death.
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>>78937216
>Villains who did nothing wrong

Has Strong Bad ever actually done anything... well... bad?

You can argue that Old Timey Strong Bad has, but like. cheating at sports isn't exactly the height of villainy.

Homestar's done more evil things than Strong Bad.
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>>78958084
>muh pole
Worse than he is.
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>>78940158
Back when that page was new everyone always replied with "Ack ack ack" to it.
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>>78939553
The dude did everything wrong starting with the fact that he somehow lost his lantern to some old dude and couldn't it get back from him.
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>>78973249
All of his interactions with Strong Sad.
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>>78940796
Even worse in the comics where they really do die out in the end.
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>>78972464
>>78973011
That depends if she could die at all.
Rapunzel's mom was pretty young still, who knows how being born of the flower would affect her.
But Gothel's actions are understandable not justified until she tries to kill a dude.
>>78973356
He probably gave it to him.
>>78973378
Is he as much of a hypocritical douche in the comics?
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>>78973412
>Is he as much of a hypocritical douche in the comics
The character doesn't really exist in the comics but similiar characters instead take his place. The characters are however more nuanced... except for the Nazis.
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>>78959477
You do realize that McCarthy basically mirrored the exact same methods the Krimlin used to kaputski dissidents, right? Nearly every extremist group ends up using the same tactics they claim to be fighting against to get their way.
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>>78937216
Obsessive and caused his own downfall, buried legal information that proved ownership to someone else, and from a creative standpoint was incapable of producing anything whatsoever. Culturally, riding someone else's legacy is bottom tier and worthy of absolutely no respect.

He did things that were wrong but minor, however he lacked any redeeming qualities.
Antagonist. Not villain.

>>78937831
Tried to force others into a lifetime choice to get his own way of life.

>>78938269
Homocidal.
>>78938417
Genocidal.
>>78939157
The epitome of traitor.
>>78939265
According to texts that may or may not be true, Jesus had Judas "betray" him bevause he needed the resurrection to show his retarded coward fuck Disciples they need to get their shit together and stop needing their hands held on everything.
In the short, they were just both jackasses except one was hedonistic, the other vain.
>>78939272
Red Skull is an asshole, as is Xavier.
>>78939323
Militarism=/=industrialization.
Advancing in technology doesn't automatically lead to a better world, there are third world nations currently that can produce firearms but can't manage a power grid to reach outside major cities.
Also, genocide caused a self-fulfilling prophesy. Fighting fate causing a bad end is a theme of Chinese philosphy, he should have known better.
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>>78940796
He brought about his people's end to attempt to end another.
Double genocide.
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>>78973359
Are you saying it's bad to make fun of emo kids?
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>>78940842
Except in a multiverse of infinite possibility, yes. There are good humans in infinite places.
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>>78943218
Pedophile, "for the lulz" killer, antichrist.
>>78943756
Not a villain. In the Disneyland ride, she's supportive of Mike as a comedian.
>>78944043
Forgetting all hints of morality and just focusing on being a failure, he turned his nation into drug addicts, had NO longterm plans, and made every possible military mistake. To the point Americans shrugged off trying to kill him, since it was easier to win the war with him in charge.
>>78944681
Wasn't a good Christian.
>>78944893
Ruined the galactic economy.
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>>78973845
Now come on, if we go by apocryphal texts we can just interpret their characters in any way we want.
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>>78945457
Being a tragic figure doesn't make you not a villain.
Being ignorant doesn't make something wrong into something acceptable.
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>>78974067
>Pedophile, "for the lulz" killer, antichrist

Pretty sure that was only in the shitty remake
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>>78946827
Actually, he is the protagonist. Not a villain.
Hell, when he had the chance to take over the world through evil means he turned it down because he wanted to improve the world, not simply rule it.
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>>78947965
His face is on the side of the US Supreme Court building, and has been for over two hundred years, going on three.

Yet the Muslim world gets pissed off about a shitty French newspaper nobody would know about if they weren't pissed off about it.
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>>78948945
Antagonist, but his goal was teaching her a lesson.

Not a villain.
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>>78958968
He's a minor officer in the FBI.
He issued an order to attack on a General's clearance.

That's treason.
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>>78944043

>wanted to genocide all jews
>inadvertenly gave them more power than they could ever hope to imagine thanks to the combined power of 6 million martyrs and holocaust reparations

Yeah no, he's a bloody failure. If I was an aryan, I'd dye my hair brown and put in non-blue contact lenses just to not be associated with this dummy.
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>>78959793
He let his advisors sell him on a military plan concieved of years earlier and shelved until they had an excuse to employ it.

Inb4 conspiracy theories, the White House declassified recorded meetings where they literally planned the fall of Saddam and actually said they were going to just wait until they had an excuse. He literally said there was no endgame and they'd have to make it up as they went after Iraq fell.

9/11 being planned is a conspiracy theiry, Cheney masterminding a plan to invade Iraq the second anything happened then putting it into action as a result of 9/11 is truth.
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>>78964537
Red killed his Raticate.

But to be fair, Gary was a rival, and at no point a villain in any way.

The rival from Silver/Gold/Crystal was a villain who was redeemed though.
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>>78972226
>there are worse things he could have done
The question is 'Was he and asshole?' not 'Are there worse things he could have done?'

Also the inclusion of the dragon means he just wanted a his own LARP setup, which is fine but again a dick move.

As usual, Peggy was an attention whore bitch but she did have some points.
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>>78974116
In the remake he was the antichrist, he was a pedo in both but the remake made it blatant.
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>>78945254
Speaking of evil incarnate.
This guy is pure evil with no sense of right and wrong according to his psychologist, the guy who probably dealt with his share of sociopaths in his lifetime and would've probably fixed him or made him less dangerous had it been possible.
He literally cannot help himself, he just does what he does.
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>>78937216

1) he tried to cheat linguini out of his inheritance
2) he sold out Gusteaus brand for frozen bullshit
3) did not create new dishes at all, the anti-thesis of being a chef and owning his own restaurant
4) general dick to linguini; tried to get him fired over trivial bullshit.
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>>78974435

Where was he said to be the antichrist? And I'm pretty sure the original films never said if he diddled kids, just had a preference for killing them
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>>78974795
Creator confirmed he was a pedo, but only showed what he could get away with.
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>>78945706
He's tragic, but Tai Lung, much like Shen, simply did not have the ability to see the bigger picture.
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>>78974915

Original one wasn't, though
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>>78974931

Makes ya wonder if the villain of the third film will be tragic in some way
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>>78975033
Depends how you view it.
Going solely by movies? No.
Going by creator statements on canonicity? Yes.

There's fair argument for both. But you'd likely see the more canon-focused folks, like comicbook readers, say the latter.
But again, either is correct.

Also, is it just me or is Jason like a modern version of the minotaur? Except instead of raping and eating children, he kills young people who have sex with each other and just leaves the bodies.
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>>78939853
You're forgetting that Shen was actively experimenting with using gunpowder as a weapon before the prophecy was even made. Even if he hadn't been kicked out of his home, he was definitely headed towards the ultimate goal of inventing artillery and then trying to take over China. My point being, that would definitely put him in opposition to the kung fu establishment and lead to some kind of confrontation.

Now, if he hadn't burned down the panda village, then Po wouldn't have been adopted by Ping and would arguably not been present to be declared the dragon warrior by master Oogway. But there you're left with two possibilities RE: the dragon warrior. Either A.) Po was always destined to become the dragon warrior, in which case "fate" would've found a way to get him chosen in any case, or B.) The Dragon Warrior really could be anybody if put through the right circumstances, in which case another person would have replaced Po in that position. Either way, Shen still gets confronted by the dragon warrior, and he still loses.

The point those anons were making was that it wasn't a "self fulfilling prophecy" because the actions he took as a result of hearing the prophecy didn't create the circumstances for the prophecy to be fulfilled. It helped define the specifics, but theres no reason to think he would have lived if he hadn't heard the prophecy.

If his undoing had been motivated solely (or even partially) by revenge that would be a self-fulfilling prophecy, because he wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't heard the prophecy in the first place.

Think of it this way: If Shen successfully genocided the pandas, and as a result he was beaten by a dragon warrior zebra or skunk, would you still call that a self-fulfilling prophecy? In such a case, he still helped define the specifics of his undoing by ensuring that the warrior who killed him was NOT a panda.
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>>78975109

Wes never wanted Freddy to be that depraved, though. He was actually against the remake enforcing the idea
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>>78944413
>Maybe saying "you're not the warrior, yet" would have been a softer blow?
Probably also would have been a lie. There is no reason to think Tai would ever have become the warrior.
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>>78975698

Sometimes a white lie is better than the honest truth.
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>>78975769
Eventually Tai Lung would have figured it out. He wasn't stupid - he just lacked wisdom.

There is only so long you can delay someone til they get upset.

and if they delayed him too long, The Oog would have died. If he died then by default the next leader would be Shifu, who would have declared Tai Lung the DW incorrectly.

and who fucking knows what TL would have done if he received the mirror scroll after all that ceremony. Gone berserk, probably.
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>>78975848

But lowering his expectations while working on whatever demons he might have had could have led to him turning out better. Otherwise, it means he was born evil, which doesn't seem to be the case
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>>78975873
That is a better argument.

Oogway looked pretty fucking sad when he looked at Tai Lung and saw he lacked what was needed to be the DW. It might have been he realized at that point that TL was destined to be the hurdle the foretold DW would have to overcome.

Or maybe Oogway just can't say something straight
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Okay so. I'm trying to think about this and, he used his future information to fulfill a prophecy that ultimately had him team up with the Gargoyles on a permanent level.

He did bad things to get the best outcome for everyone. Is that evil?
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>>78975900

Probably both. He clearly knew more than he let on, but for whatever reason acted vague to the point he even kind of ruffled Shifu, who probably looked to Oogway as Tai Lung once looked to him.
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>>78976041

He did try to kill the clan several times, and even allowed one of his cohorts to turn a man into a monster. Nonetheless, he only attacked those he knew were obstacles, and was quite sportsmanly about being beaten whereas most other villainous types would swear revenge and forgo any honor and just destroy everything to get it.
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>>78976091
But he knew he'd fail every time? His future self what telling his younger self what to do and when.

Seeming like a threat is bad, yes. I'm just wondering the logistics. I guess his younger self didn't know he'd fail for sure? He certainly ruined lives. It was for an ultimately great ending for the protagonists, orchestrated by his future self.
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>>78976125

Where did he ever help his past self? The only thing he did in the past was secure his eventual induction into the Illuminati a good millennia before they'd send the invite
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>>78976163
I thought he had a letter from the future telling him to do stuff? I really gotta rewatch this show, I remember it being really great.
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>>78976181

Not that I can recall. He went back in time to secure events concerning the illuminati, and that's about it.
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>>78975965
He destroyed the uplink for no real reason
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>>78943540
But you don't know that, so with the knowledge currently available, what is your conclusion?
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Khan from Abrams Trek.

He only wanted to save his crew and not fake 9/11. The movie acts like it was really terrible that he killed Admiral Robocop, even though that Admiral was evil as fuck and killed loads of people. Now the Federation keeps him and everyone he loves frozen in stasis while they harvest their blood to selectively decide who gets to live forever.

God, that movie was shit.
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>>78976163
>>78976181
>>78976210
the only thing he did involving the past was securing his own fortune being founded, he just used his own Illuminati connections to ensure that it would happen
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All crimes are committed by the living. Name one crime a dead person has ever committed.
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>>78976280
littering, health hazard violations, resisting arrest. Public defecation.
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>>78937831
>Exactly.

Andy was actually planning to take Woody to college, so, no. Not exactly.
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>>78975965
Bigger is better, right?
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>>78976280
necrophilia?
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>>78937831
its implied that woody used to be oqned by andys mom. pete was just straight up afraid of death and you cant live that way. his preservation causing his immobility was a direct metaphor for the idea that people afraid of death get stuck in life.
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>>78940158
top kek at that file name
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>>78976237
He was from a gang of hyper intelligent Hitlers and hijacks the killerterprise.
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>>78974292
>treason

I'm pretty sure treason is a very narrowly defined crime in the US

>U.S. Const. art III, § 3.
>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
>The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
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>>78939754
If he had his way
>Spirits would not be everywhere fucking shit up
>RC would be fine
>No civil war in water tribe
>Th greatest criminals ever would have less power and never have broken free
>The air nomads would not have stolen people to be part of their cult
>No wars in earth kingdom
>Would have probably punched Su in the face
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>>78974398
No, Red killed BLUE'S Raticate (if that even happened at all, I mean it's really likely but never been confirmed). Red is not an un-aging autistic child who insists on flirting with as many girls as he can without ever actually getting laid (cough Ash cough), he's a silent weirdo who quickly defeats all 8 gym leaders in his region and becomes champion, only to spend the rest of his existence sitting on a mountain bored out of his skull.

Also, Gary's definitely not Blue. He's so much better than Blue that he got 10 gym badges in one region.
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>>78966855
>>78970200
Even if it isn't his fault, that doesn't make him not evil.
That's like saying Darth Vader was completely and utterly justified at the end of the original trilogy. He still did plenty of horrible things in his life, he just decided to not die as completely evil at the end.
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>>78969068
>>78972580
I still think the moral of the story about the Giant choosing to not be a weapon would have been made more clear if the TV dream scene had got into the final product. It would have made some people more scared of the Giant after watching it, but that's the point. He chose NOT to be an indestructible interplanetary weapon.
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>>78976336
"ooh yeah"
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>implying she's not helping ACME all along
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>>78977543
>oh no guys Carmen Sandiego stole something so ridiculous and high profile that we have no choice but to investigate
>in our investigation we came across a criminal 60 times worse than Carmen and yet lower profile somehow
>it's almost as if she was leading us to them
>we've apprehended the scumbag and recovered the thing Carmen stole but she slipped away dang it
Literally every episode. Carmen did nothing wrong
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>>78977872
>>78977543
IIRC she was former ACME
So it makes total sense that she was really just helping them out.
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>>78974199

And he's been on South Park before and nobody gave a shit.

Just showing Mohammed doesn't raise heckles. It's mainly when you play it up for controversy/drama/trolling that it gets people pissed off. The cartoons were being mostly ignored until some fags decided to make an issue out of it and people started doing it just to spite others.

Kind of like how nobody in the US cares about all the kids that go missing everyday- until there's some cute girl who goes missing and the media jumps all over it. Now everyone has a fucking opinion on some random girl they've never seen, never will see, and will probably grow up to be a complete nobody like everyone else.
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>>78944043
GODWIN
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>>78977963
>yfw Carmen Sandiego was a loyal ACME agent deep undercover the whole time
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>>78978168
Wouldn't that just be the best job?

Not only are you helping mankind but you get to do ridiculous things like steal Australia
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>>78939265
This was what made me feel I could honestly say "I've seen some shit" when I first watched it years ago. The whole fucking thing is just insane.
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>>78937216
Didnt the guy ruin the resturant
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>>78954013
>her flower
Bitch it was on public property and you don't look like a land owner to me.
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>>78944443
So close
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>>78969360
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>>78976614
if nuking a town isn't levying war what the hell is
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>>78975109
I honestly don't know how people don't think Freddy Kreuger was a child molester. Sure it was never stated in the original but its pretty fucking heavily implied.

Aside from metaphors like attacking children when they're in bed and people blocking out memories of him, there are also more in text stuff that identifies him as a sexual predator. He cuts off his finger and squirts blood at Tina, which is a clear ejaculation metaphor. He also mimes cunilingus at Tina and tells Nancy that he'll be her boyfriend, before shoving his tounge down his throat. Dude is clearly a creeper and you don't have to read that far between the lines to figure it out.

Also in the opening sequence of either ANoES 4 or 5, don't remember which, Freddy is confirmed for molesting children. So there's that too.
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>>78973359
It is bad to lock them in bathtubs for three months and give them the concrete shoes treatment.

I know it's a bit late in the thread, but what about "heroes" who did everything wrong? The Watterson family in particular are homicidal, kleptomaniacal loons.
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>>78981118
I like how the remake played around with him being innocent
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>>78945122
The end does not justify the means. The fact that he severely over-estimated the power of wakfu means that everything he did was for nothing. Should he have been successful, then literally nothing he did would matter since it technically didn't happen. But he failed, so it does. He murdered people and gained absolutely nothing.
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>>78943099
>Taking a gun away from a child is wrong
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>>78982784
The kids never hurt anybody with their bending though.
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>>78983173
And now they never will.
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>>78983173
um, a lot of fire benders were gang members, even mako, in s1, was alluded to having "ran numbers" with fire bending gangsters
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>>78981617
That's just comedy families in general. Everyone is a shallow vapid one note characters because bad things happening to good people isn't funny.
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>>78976730

Darth wasn't born/made from evil though. Stop twisting the point I made
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>>78978168

Eh, I like to think she's doing bad because she wanted a new challenge, but then became intrigued with the idea of essentially training new agents to eventually best her, so as to make ACME a truly formidable force against the real scum of the earth.
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>>78981118

Wes Craven literally said he never intended for that. His word is fucking official
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>>78985628
This
It's like saying Leatherface or Ghostface were heroes for attacking random people.
Yes, I know there's been about 9 different killers in the Scream series, shut up.
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>>78938417
The comic about his origins has him as a cartoon villain who got hit in the head too many times that he thought he was a real villain.

So in a sense he didn't do anything wrong because he's been injured to the point of psychopathy.
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All she wants is for everyone to live united as one.
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>>78986179

How the hell does that make any sense? Toons are supposed to be nigh immortal beings who can survive all manner of physical harm. How the hell does one get psychosis or whatever from being struck too many times?
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>>78947965
While what you say is true, murderers who WILL do that shit in the name of islam outnumber all the other religions combined. And the Catholics in other countries aren't going to go out murdering people over this shit the IRA does, so your analogy is short.

>>78978015
>South park
The studio and broadcasters got death threads. And not from some lone lunatic in Saudi Arabia. From US citizens.

>>78974292
Probably not. Thats impersonating an officer. Violating posse cometaus. Several hundered counts of manslaugter 1. But probably not treason. I think they'd charge him with it, and he'd get off
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>>78986982

There's a difference between accidentally gunning down a few dozen people and literally wiping out an entire state by accident. The guy might not have been executed for nearly nuking everybody, but he's probably sitting in a cell while trying to come to grips that he was wrong, or still thinking he was acting the hero.
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>no mention of Handsome Jack
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>>78958146
Pretty much this. I have a lot of respect for the religion of Islam, but moderate Muslims aren't as common as most people think.
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>>78976280

Voter fraud.
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>>78944421
Yeah but they needed those innovations to be on par with the other nations who could easily do similar stuff with their bending alone.
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>>78975848
Not just lacking in wisdom, but humility.
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>>78961896
Nigga tried to convince Roku to help him rule the world with him on the dude's wedding night and gave Roku his crown as a keepsake.
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>>78990518
But he wasn't even a villain, just a guy who had vaguely similar traits to Vilgax.
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>>78958777
I would sympathize with him if his beliefs didn't just boil down to "LOL CHAOS!" and were more in line with the actual political ideology of Anarchism.
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>>78985628
Except that Wes Craven said he originally wanted Kreuger to be a molestor, but he removed it from the original script, because he thought it would be too controversial. Other than that the character remained unchanged.

And Kravens word changed over time. In some interviews he straight up denies Kreuger being a child molester, in others he would dance around the subject which would seem to confirm it by default.

I think Kreuger was also meant to be a child molester, but Kraven never confirmed it because he didn't want to admit he turned a pedophile into a pop culture icon.
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>>78958777
Anarchy is doomed by default. He's an idiot for thinking heirarchies wouldn't immediately reform, ESPECIALLY in a world where some people are born with superpowers.
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>>78945210
Pretty much uncountable murders and attempts at murder.
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>>78938417
>>>/pol/
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>>78991292

Or maybe he wanted Freddy to be creepier as just a child murderer and not a creeper who goes deeper in kidders
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>>78992603
But I find a molester/murderer creepier than just a murderer. Dont you?
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>>78992876

When you're so mad at people you become a literal walking nightmare, you're already scarier than most things. Besides, the kiddie diddling angle would only work for the immediate victims prior to his death. Once they're dead, what's the point of that characteristic if his victims from there on are teen/young adults?
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>>78985801
>Leatherface
But anon, he and his family just want to eat.
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Can woody and friends just leave and go make their own town in a junkyard or something?
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>>78992975
I think the sexual element of Freddy Kreuger adds to his scare factor. Kreguer invading your deepest thoughts and dreams is a clear rape metaphor. Everything about the character is representative of a sexual predator. He attacks his victims while they're in bed, the fact that he makes sexual comments towards his victims. Denying the possibility that Kreuger was a sexual predator is denying what truly makes the character scary imo.
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>>78940796
Fuck him.
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>>78993073
Then why the fuck did they choose to live in the DESERT.
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>>78939326
Chefs still cook dude, frozen food hasn't changed that.

Average Joes cook less but they were hardly advancing cooking as an ~art form~ to begin with.
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Can we talk about how neither the Sith or Jedi were good guys?
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>>78959477
No, McCarthy was definitely a freak, and an opportunistic swindler and conman. The minute he tried his shit with some one actually influential in society (the military), he was shut down in days and laughed out of senate.
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>>78993428
From my point of view the jedi are evil
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>>78993639
That's quality writing right there.
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>>78983186
That's like cutting off a kids index finder so they can't use a gun
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I can't remember, what did Jack Spicer do?
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>>78988744
Considering how popular sharia law still is over in the middle east, no kidding
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>>78993639
ANd you know what? They were actually a shitty cult that kidnapped and brainwashed kids
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>>78939164
I like how the true moral of the movie wasn't "Anyone can cook, we all have greatness within us" but "Anyone can cook, don't be racist/judgmental, if he can cook he can cook"
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It's too bad half or more of these threads either don't try to explain or just post someone who's an obvious psychopath. Makes it hard to find the serious and interesting posts.
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>>78974100
Kinda 70% of the thread right here. You can have understandable motivations and still be a villain. Really out of place but Agents of SHIELD had Ward's brother even say 'Yeah I had a shitty childhood too, I'm not a murderer though."
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>>78994200
No, because debending involves no physical pain or risk of complication.
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>>78995869

He was going to literally destroy a culture that relied on its bending and at the moment only consisted of FIVE members.
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>>78995869
He wanted to bring down the powerful rather than just elevate the weak. He'd be completely able to rally non-benders for more representation in the government and have just given chi blocking as general non-bender self defense (being able to non lethally disable people at will is a pretty good skill). Even exposing how easy it was to corrupt pro-bending was fine. The problem comes when he goes on his rampage of martial law and ripping bending out of people's grasps. Under his rules Healing and easy/clean power go out the window. Construction becomes more difficult, and anything else that did rely on bending to work now has to be re-engineered and probably less efficiently.
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>>78996153

That certainly is one thing to consider; how much of industrialization in the Avatar world was reliant on bending? While we know there wasn't a tremendous gap between non-bender workers and bender workers, it could have thrown the entire world into a spiral if the people who were pivotal in making things work couldn't interact with shit anymore.
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>>78957648
Fucking Seth Rogen gets more lines than him.

I hate Dreamworks casting so goddamned much.
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>>78969360

I just remembered who voiced this guy.
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>>78995909
A culture existing is not inherently a good thing. The KKK is a culture, too. He wasn't killing any of them, just curtailing their physical power.
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>>78999773
>implying KKK was bad
Aside from not finishing the job they've done nothing wrong.
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>>78999773
What right did he have to do that?
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>>78999935
He had the power to fix a problem, and thus it was his responsibility to do so.

What right did Korra have to open the portals? Because she's got some powerful spirit on her side we should just bow down and accept what she thinks is best for everyone?
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>>78999773

There's literally no justification for comparing Air Nomads to southern racist dipshits
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>>79000299
I'm not. I'm using it as an example to show that the existence of a culture is not inherently good. The world isn't made any better by the existence of Airbending.
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>>79000904

KKK wasn't a culture, it was a bunch of religious hicks who were acting like fucking retards
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>>79000904
The culture angle isn't about what makes the world better, it's something they owned along with their powers. They were peaceful people doing their own thing on their own island and Amon tried to take those things away from them.
Going back to my other post, Amon does two things. Half his work is elevating non-benders by exposing corruption and teaching them their own skills and developing non-bender weapons. But the other half is attacking everyone who's a bender and taking their powers away regardless of who it was. Criminals? Take their powers. Civilians? Take their powers. Police? Take their powers. And so on. At that point instead of making the weak stronger he's taking power away from the strong senselessly. Amon tried to make an equal world, not a better one.
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>>79001574
Please explain. Because he explained that he tried to commit regicide to get power, not because he legitimately thought Elsa was a threat.
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>>79001593

>What is actually being someone who actually have a rat's ass about the kingdom while Elsa was throwing her tantrum that nearly caused eternal winter and while Anna was a vapid cunt who only cared about getting a dicking? Including handing out blankets to said freezing citizens?
>What is telling Elsa that she shouldn't be a monster when he encountered her when she was throwing one of her tantrums?

Whole movie would've been much better if he was omitted.
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More /v/ or possible /a/ related, but seriously these guys have done absolutely nothing wrong.
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>>79001682
Except all of that was a ploy from the start. You'd be right if those were legitimate reactions, hell you'd be right if the movie only cut out the "btw no one loves you time to die lol" part. If he was just a guy doing what he really thought were best it'd probably a better movie, but instead it's "I have 7 brothers and want to be a king so i'm evil now."
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>>79001577

He wasn't even trying to make a difference, he just wanted revenge or whatever for his faggot dad and tried to bullshit everyone with a flowery reasoning
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>>79001745

Yet we were shown absolutely no proof of him possibly being a tyrant. At least we got genuine evidence with guys like Prince John and Scar, as well as eventually guys like Lotso and Turbo showing that they're tyranical scumbags through-and-through.
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>>79001318
But that IS a culture.
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>>79001838
You likewise don't have any evidence he'd maintain that goodwill after he truly gains power. And we now know he's more than willing to assassinate anyone he see's as in the way.
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>>78973966
The statement was more that humanity as a whole is cancerous. There are good cells but in the end the bad cells wins.
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>>79001841

No it isn't. It was a just a stupid gang with a petty, childish drive to kill people for being different. Fuck off and stop being wrong
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>>79001934
But a stupid gang with petty childish drive's culture, is still culture.
Literal gangs are a culture as well.
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>>79002033

It's not culture. It's a believe, one that was ultimately deemed wrong. Culture provides something to the world, KKK didn't provide anything but a blemish in American history
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>>78945274
Aside from the morally reprehensible act of lying to a man about his daughter to harvest dead people for him, he was only doing what he had to survive.

There is no difference from what is right and what is necessary, he needed to lie to survive.
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>>79002068
Didn't they get a movie that was considered rather good, despite the controversial subject?
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>>79002103

Good for pointing out the horrors of what they did, not the positives as they literally had none.
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>>79002068
1. They still fucking exist
2. No, that is not the definition of culture and it'd be stupid to believe it was since that's definition is subjective as fuck.
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>>79002128
But in the movie they were heroes.
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>>79002134

Existence is not what makes something a culture.
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>>79002083
You can do what it takes to survive but still be an asshole villain. I haven't seen your example but pretty much if your survival requires the deaths of multiple equivalent lies you're being selfish.
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>>79002171
Not them, but do you really fucking care about whether they are or are not a culture? Neither of you are arguing the original point anymore.
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>>79002211

Not my fault some idiot compared fucking monks to a bunch of racist cunts
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>>79002242
So you choose to continue to argue with such an idiot? You're also arguing the definition of the word 'culture' rather than the similarities/differences between the two.
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>>79002211
On the plus side, it did remind me that I've never seen Birth of a Nation.
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>>79002291

Because culture is more than just what some idiots believe. Belief isn't the only quality of a fucking culture.
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>>79002184
Survival is inherently selfish. All the food you eat and atmosphere you breathe came from something else's hard work, whether it was from another animal or a plant.

The Beast was the top of the food chain, why should he care about the lives of lesser beings?
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>>79002320
You do realize the actual argument they were making was that "Culture is not inherently good" right? Your point of "KKK was not a culture" doesn't defend your point, it just means they have to look for a different example that fits your definition.

You need to explain how if the KKK did indeed count as a culture, whether or not it's right to destroy their culture.

My point of view is just culture is like a posession or right, you can't have it taken away unless it's causing harm to others. So if the KKK are actively harming people, yeah they should be stopped. But the Air Nomads above any other benders were explicitly peaceful.
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>>79002171
No you were simply speaking as though they no longer existed and their mark on American History had somehow ended.
What makes something a culture is simply being a group that shares beliefs, behaviors, and other social characteristics. The fact they had clearly such clearly outlined beliefs from the get go and created a fucking hierarchy and system by which to work makes it hard to contend they're not a culture.
>>79002242
Both Monks and Racist Cunts can be cultures.
In fact I'm sure there's been a lot of overlap over human existence.
>>79002320
No, you also have to be a group.
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>>79002397
>Survival is inherently selfish

Not really. If you use it to justify taking without exchanging something, then sure. But surviving/living can't be considered selfish in the least if the individual is taking actions to prove they can live through their wits and ingenuity.
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>>79002397
Intelligence level has special value. Eating a field of grain doesn't mean anything. Killing to eat another human is wrong. (eating a human that's already dead, just get their kin to sign off).
It's inherently selfish, but most keep it within tolerable boundaries.
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>>79002427

I never said they didn't exist any more. Just become something is remembered doesn't mean it's a culture.
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>>79002485
How did you come to the conclusion I was implying being remembered made you a culture.
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>>79002529

Still not right
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