No, all it needs is decent writing and likable characters. Too bad the west does not know how to do that with their cartoons so they make unfunny slapstick and unlikable characters and call it a "comedy" to make up for their incompetence.
>>78928624 The Simpsons and SpongeBob SquarePants are the two greatest cartoons to air on television, and they did not have the things you're talking abo-- actually, The Simpsons did drama a few times, come to think of it.
>>78929720 Anyone who thinks most Looney Tunes, or old cartoons in general, still hold up is kidding themselves. There's no denying their history but they're full of dated pop culture references, re-used plots and straight up racism, you can "go back to tumblr" me all you want but you know it's true Old Disney toons, most Tom and Jerry shorts, and most stuff by Tex Avery and the Fleischers are the few cartoons from the "golden age" that mostly still hold up today.
>>78930187 I dunno, it's just that the web makes me say the opposite of everything people say. Basically, after getting mad at stuff like TVTropes's DMOS pages and Mr. Enter reviews, I conclude that my ideal cartoon should be like this:
A bunch of bulky, misshapen, guys with liquids oozing out of every hole in their bodies (think some Mega Babies/Brothers Grunt fusion) are assholes to eachother and do nothing but tell rape jokes and fight eachother while spewing cultural references that will be dated after a year (but I don't care because in my mind every book, show, film, game, song, whatever that came out since 1980 is still relevant today). Also they often piss, spit, shit and puke a lot because gross is cool, and they also take a lots of drugs so we can have creepy deranged scenes.
But once per season there is a completely random episode that is in live action and is just two guys talking in a room about politics. Just to piss off the audience.
Lame slapstick, bland artstyle, heavily uses pop culture, everyone has no personality other than a catchphrase or gimmick. It was good for it's time since there was not much variety for the past. I watched this and Tom and Jerry as a kid and I still found it boring.
Don't be upset, you asked a question and I answered it and all you are doing is making angry greentexts without saying what I said is wrong and why you find Looney Tunes so great and amusing and instead calling everything a meme like a child.
>>78931560 Slapstick is a patrician tier of comedy, pop culture is not bad unless you're someone who still watches Family Guy to complain about it, and characters have actual personalities instead of forced character development.
>>78931297 not quite, but character evolution and growth over a shows run adds to the richness. it's not the technical aspects that make something great, but the details, the subtlties that reveal themselves on the second viewing that make you sit up and think "there's more here". when characters slightly change their behaviour in response to events, or show that they harbour their own thought process beneath their actions rather than just being puppets for the writers.
It can't be denied that a lot -- if not all -- modern long-running animated cartoons with a sizable fanbase have continuity and lore to some degree. Even for shows that are not drastically affected by the happenings of the previous season or episode often have a semblance of a continuity that can manifest as simple fan service for long-time watchers.
In my opinion, continuity and lore is certainly not required, but it certainly helps a lot. It fleshes out the characters and helps build the world -- in my opinion the two of the most important factors of good writing. If it feels like the characters are living out their own lives that we don't see on-screen or on the pages that's good story telling. Having a continuity keeps the story your are trying to tell well grounded.
This isn't my place to talk as I largely watch anime, whereas the only cartoons I'm currently enjoying are the Big 3 of /co/, and occasionally KoTH; but I don't think it's a problem with the cartoons themselves. The real problem is public perception. There is an underlying fear beneath the expectation that cartoons can be nothing but comedic, that anything otherwise will not succeed. And given how companies don't really want to put forth money on projects unless they're guaranteed successes, it's easy to see why cartoons have essentially stagnated. However if anything, the popularity of Steven Universe goes to show the cartoons don't have to follow the same patterns to be extremely popular.
Honestly I believe the only reason why anons in this thread would disagree with such a sentiment, is because they've long grown accustomed to the same shit that's been shoveled down their throats for years. At this point they're fine with anything that manages to fire off a few electrons in their beaten brains, and can't even imagine something better.
Getting out of the "animation age ghetto" isn't about being able to get a laugh of the shows you're watching, it's about getting people to understand that animation has almost INFINITE potential, and yet it's squandered over the same garbage in the west.
When everything is shit, you settle for the least shitty. That said, I hate/dislike almost every 3d animated film that's been released for several years now, given how bland and safe they always are.
>>78930636 >everything else but Looney Tunes from that era somehow holds up Want to know how I know you're just a retarded shitposter? also >racial stereotypes=racism >racism is bad >racism should be expunged from all media ever You're exactly the type of cuck that would remove "nigger" from Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn.
It's easier to build attachment if there is a continuity and even in shows that strive to be non sequiter random or adventure of the week, there always seems to be some things connecting them together even if it's not in chronological order like running jokes or a similar theme.
Oglaf started out just being random sword and sorcery fantasy and sexual humor with different characters and situations every comic but there are mini story lines that go for months and reoccuring character and sometimes they cross pathes.
What kills a cartoon or comic to me is retcon and reboots.
Why the fuck should I care anymore and say a particular comic or cartoon character or story line had a profound impact on my life and influenced my way of living and thinking or career path or hobby and then 20 years later or sometimes sooner the original origin and story is trashed and a completely new mythos is written and is different but still has the old names of the characters I used to know or love?
>>78928624 No all they need is good writing. That being said it would be nice if adult American animation would stop thinking EVERYTHING has to be a fucking sitcom. Moonbeam City greatly suffered from that.
>>78939195 >racism should be expunged from all media ever
if children are the target audience and it has no educational value: yes, absolutely. Tom Sawyer embedded words like nigger in a historical context and gave us Jim to relate to. Racist jokes in old Bugs Bunny and Disney cartoons lack that part. That's worse than 5000 double niggers in Tom Sawyer. Racist cartoons for adults are another can of worms.
>>78931599 Are you really going to bash a fine piece of interactive fiction because of its fanbase? Do you only watch cartoons whose only fans are the Cool Guys, instantly dropping it when Jimmy's retarded little brother buys a copy?
>>78939055 >Honestly I believe the only reason why anons in this thread would disagree with such a sentiment, is because they've long grown accustomed to the same shit that's been shoveled down their throats for years. At this point they're fine with anything that manages to fire off a few electrons in their beaten brains, and can't even imagine something better. I've seen a lot of this. Really low standards for everything.
>>78930649 >>78930968 Except for Toot Goes To Bollywood, the show was solid because every episode delivered on somewhat clever 2edgy humor. It did exactly what it intended.The closest it got to drama was a few Xandir episodes. I love the show, wouldn't say it's truly great, but it's pretty nifty for what it is.
>someone says looney tunes are boring >30+ replies unable to handle someone with different tastes, saying it's bait, that one cannot possibly dislike them, spamming >>>/r/eddit, and that every single criticism of the show is just memeing
To think that many of these people probably complain about /pol/'s exact same attitude when someone doesn't like trump. Let you find a bit of introspection in your attitude
>>78930636 >Anyone who thinks most Looney Tunes, or old cartoons in general, still hold up is kidding themselves. I watched some old Disney shorts and there were still entertaining. Hell, a lot of old Tom & Jerry episodes are still fucking funny.
>>78928624 No, but having it does create an expectation for greatness, leading to a much harder fall when it cannot reach that expectation. Having a lack of it doesn't remove that potential to be great though.
Stuff like Chowder in the past, or more recently Wander Over Yonder, don't have continuity, or even much drama unless it's a set up for one episode, and their still fine.
why the fuck are people crying this much about pop culture references in Looney Tunes? Is it really that bad that you learned that Frank Sinatra existed? Or that Bing Crosby was popular once? It's fucking ridiculous to complain about it considering LT used to air before big movies
No, the best cartoons to come out recently, Looney Toons Show, Magical World of Gumball and TTGO don't have it. And ofcourse some of the best cartoons of all time like Spongebob and Simpsons don't have it. Also, Gravity Falls and Steven Universe are horrible.
>>78949532 >It's just interesting to notice how Drawn Together apparently called the typical Tumblrina before Tumblr was an actual thing. You do realize that people liked that existed before tumblr right?
Good characters make good show. Good characters mean they'd have to carry through the show without fluctuating wildly and not forgetting things, thus creating continuity Good characters will clash with each others generating drama Lore is somewhat hard to define so I skip on it.
You can still have decent unambitious gag-a-day cartoon without good characters. But it won't be truly good. Attempt to impose drama or continuity on cardboard characters will make horrid result. Continuity and drama are not making any fiction good. They are symptoms of good fiction.
i didn't know we are supposed to loves only new things and hate old things just because it's dated, Jurassic Park is very dated too, it's a bad movie now just because we are in 2016 ?
> the humor is edgy and gross for the sake of it without being clever or funny.
well that's not a real problem because it's done on purpose anyway, they perfectly knows they are stupid and they loves that, it's just a big weird trip, also the fun depend of the point of view of each and this show countain some very clever jokes or quotes.
this show is just without of political satire and some people hate this kind of humor when this is without critics about society.
yeah the characters are assholes but this is a parody of reality shows, and reality shows are about garbage people with no talents and decadent lifestyle, this show is just a mirror of that but very exagerrated.
>>78959155 >i didn't know we are supposed to loves only new things and hate old things just because it's dated, Jurassic Park is very dated too, it's a bad movie now just because we are in 2016 ? What the fuck are you talking about? The humor in DT is dated because nothing in the context of the writing is relevant anymore something like Jurassic Park is timeless even if its stuck in an era different from now. People will always remember JP while no one will remember a short lived shitty animated reality show.
>well that's not a real problem because it's done on purpose anyway, they perfectly knows they are stupid and they loves that
You're literally saying its okay because they know they're shit, you can be stupid all you want you just need to be funny which DT wasn't.
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