>Zack Snyder: ‘Justice League’ Film Will Explore ‘the Mythology’ of Doomsday
>“I know what’s in the movie, so I know there’s other stuff,” Snyder laughed, checking in via phone from Los Angeles, where he’s putting the final touches on the March 25 release.
>“We had a long conversation about just taking ownership of that, of giving it to the audience in a controlled way that I felt was consistent with the escalation of the campaign,” said Snyder, a commercials veteran.
>“In a weird way, Justice League is the next step for these characters to form a bigger team,” he teased. “Maybe there’s a bigger enemy to fight.”
>Did he mean Darkseid? Brainiac? Ever ambiguous, Snyder hinted at what he may or may not have in mind for Justice League’s “bigger enemy.” “Well, you have Doomsday, right? He doesn’t just crawl out of the ground. He has his own mythology, right? So that has to be explored…”
>To us it really made sense to give [Doomsday] to the audience now. I really wanted to make the audience a promise that… though I’m super excited and happy and fulfilled by the conflict of Batman and Superman, there’s also a bigger world to start to think about.”
>Snyder’s the one laying down the roadmap. “It is constantly evolving, but we’re starting to get a handle on where we’re going with the world,” he said. “That’s fun because it allows us now to be driving toward a goal that we don’t have to make up as much. The rules can be the rules, and the movie can exist in a closed universe… it allows us to tie things together. If there’s a movie over here doing this, and we’re over here doing this, now we’re all on the same page.
>“It allows for a coherent universe, which is important,” he added. “I think that makes the experience a little more satisfying because we know where we’re going, so the misdirects can be stronger and the reveals can be bigger.”
>“We made him fight,” Ayer told USA Today. “He’s awesome (as Batman)...You really sense that but for the grace of God he himself would be doing some really foul stuff out in the world.”
>“The great thing about having Chris Terrio as the writer of this project is it’s hard to get him not to do that. It’s in his DNA,” he said. “When we talk about it in mythological terms we’re always talking about, what does it mean to the world? What does it mean mythologically to us, now? What is the why of all of it?”
>“Those conversations are a big part of the genesis of all of the ideas,” he continued. “It also offers an opportunity because you have now a variety of perspectives on a single issue. That allows the conversation to be bolder and more lively in the debate, because of these varied points of view.”
This is a terrible way to create a universe. Have one movie do it's own thing and explain it in the second one? BvS addressing the destruction of Metropolis, JL explaining Doomsday's origins. The next movie in a series should build off the previous, not spend time explaining or fixing it.
>"We give thanks to the great god Rao and celebrate his victory over Cythonna."
>"We remember those who fell during the Last War"
>"Beware Bertron's curse, for he is named Doomsday."
They might establish a connection between Bertron (and his experiments) and Brainiac.
>To us it really made sense to give [Doomsday] to the audience now.
>Snyder hinted at what he may or may not have in mind for Justice League’s “bigger enemy.” “Well, you have Doomsday, right? He doesn’t just crawl out of the ground. He has his own mythology, right? So that has to be explored…”
I'm interpreting that as Doomsday is coming up in BvS but the bigger enemy in Justice League will explain his origins
>‘Justice League’ Film Will Explore ‘the Mythology’ of Doomsday
Everything shown or said about the Snyder shit has been terrible.
>darkseid is a much better character than thanos
>they know marvel will make thanos better in the movies than they could ever make darkseid
well, at least they know their own limitations
I keep watching this hoping he will finally kick the ball.
Just fucking stop talking and showing shit, god damn
We're still months away from the movie, why the hell do i need to already know the main threat won't be 100% defeated? Hell, i didn't want to know about Dooomsday's presence in the first place, the advertisment of this movie went too quickly from Batman vee Superman to [s]The Avengers[/s] Justice League: the Teaser
At this rate by the time the movie comes out i'll even know how many times Wonder Woman puked behind the scenes to stay "fit"
He's just a clone from zod's biological material. Then batman sees superman taking a beating and reveals HIS secret weapon to stop Doomsday:the clone from superman's biological material-Bizarro! So now we got bizarro in there too, but THEN, the shockwaves of a superman/doomsday/wonder woman/bizarro four-way punch shatter the portal to earth three and Ultraman is like "what up, bitches?".
AND THE FINAL BATTLE BEGINS
Why exactly does /co/ hate Snyder so much? He literally can't say anything without this place going into a fit of autismal rage. It's not like you guys read comics, so it can't be anything related to that.
it's kind of amazing really that marvel creates a better CU without having spider-man, x-men or FF when they start out. meanwhile DC has batman and superman and they just can't make it work
>Why exactly does /co/ hate Snyder so much?
Because he's a hack?
>We'll explore the mythology of doomsday
So, according to the mythology, Doomsday is created from Lex Luthor using the decomposing corpse of General Zod, and is then quickly defeated by a combination of superman, batman, wonderwoman, and maybe aquaman?
that's a mystery
>herp derp i'm an arrogant, overly confident megalomaniac playing with the biology of an alien thousands of years ahead of anything on earth, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
Why doesn't Superman just throw him into space? Doomsday can't fly
He clearly has his own opinions and is using the feedback from critics and the public to back him up.
You really think people hate Man of Steel or Watchmen just to fit in? We don't force ourselves to hate things, believe it or not. We just do, when said things are garbage.
If serious then you need to burn in the depths of mother fucking hell you worthless sadist piece of human fucking trash.
A person deserves to die because they make a movie for a different audience then you? I knew MOS haters were petty selfish narcissist but this is a whole new level.
Fuck you and Die if your serious.
>We just do, when said things are garbage
But even the very worst scene in MOS is not full on garbage, your confusing a film being perfectly competently made for a different audience then you as it being flawed on a story telling and film making level which is was not at all.
If serious then you need to burn in the depths of mother fucking hell you worthless sadist piece of human fucking trash.
A person deserves to die because they have an opinion that's different from yours? I knew MOS defenders were petty selfish narcissist but this is a whole new level.
Fuck you and Die if your serious.
>mythology of doomsday
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Not and never will be relevant you fucking delusional idiot.
No it was not, your pathetic mind not being able to understand flashbacks is not a flaw.
There is NOTHING fucking wrong with the god damn story.
You personally wishing that they did not have Clark unintentionally lead Zod here IS NOT A FUCKING FLAW!
NO ITS NOT, becuase it was made for a target audience and they loved it, the target audience just want not every no taste having camp and joke addicted shit stain that sees movies these days. It accomplished EXACTLY what it set out to do.
not the guy, but can i offer something here? I've recently started reading Earth One and I was mind blown by how much MoS stole from that. Mind blown. They just had Zod instead of the blue alien guy. superman even gets pinned to the ground by a beam, except instead of gravity it was a red sun beam
Thing is, Lex is a fucking idiot for making Doomsday (if there isn't a twist like he's just reviving or cloning Zod but he turns into Doomsday, which I doubt because Superman could beat him again)
Nothing wrong with adapting earth one in part, Its tone and World building was ideal for a realistic Superman, the problem with EO v1, is Clark is unlikable and never seems to EVER care about helping others, MOS fixed that, in that he absolutely wants to help people but fears he may cause more harm then good. And the other is EOs first villain was lame as fuck while MOS fixed that also by giving us the best most sympathetic Zod we have ever gotten in any medium.
I hate him because he's an incredibly mediocre director
His worst movie sucker punch pretty much said all you need to know about someone who is only concerned with visuals and less with crafting a cohesive story
No, it was never contradicting, it was nicely contrasting, the jesus/savior dialogue and imagery is to show his potential while we see the reality that he is just a flawed but good man striving to do great things in a world that may hate and fear him.
> tonal whiplashes
Only the jump from the death of Zod to the drone scene.
> awkward exposition
The scene were Jor tells Clark his origin was a beautiful humble moment of wonder and fulfillment.
>and uneven pacing.
Pacing was phenomenal, loved the slow pondering first 2 3rds contrasting the thunderously epic end.
But nether was a bad film, Returns was a stale homage to past films with a good villain but odd villainous plot and a lame Superman has a kid sub plot.
And mos see pic related.
No mate, just no
How delusional do you have to be to actually believe the excessive destruction was supposed to be a symbolic contrast with the extremely sutble Jesus theme? Not even Snyder says that, he just goes "but Avengers did it too! Muh serious movie with serious action"
He isn't, but putting Superman in a realistic and darker mistrustful world makes better contextual use of him, there is no point in a bright beacon of hope in a bright hopeful world.
No, I never said the destruction was meant to be contrasting the Jesus imagery, I was saying Clark's characterization was.
The destruction was a result of the fact that this is meant to be a extremely realistic world and so Superman isn't portrayed as a mary sue that can do anything and everything perfectly regardless of his potential to do great things.
And the destruction has little to do with Superman's position as a savior as he did not cause the damage, Zod did, dumb fuck.
Wait what? Why'd we have an entire movie of Superman and other Kryptonians ~breathing Kryptonian atmosphere~ for the same effect if they're just going to introduce real Kryptonite in the next movie?
God I hate these fucking films.
because zack the hack
Clark doesn't have a characterization in this movie, or at least not a proper character arc, that's one of it's biggest flaws
Post-costume Clark is never shown being that saviour. He doesn't even try, the last heroic thing he does in the movie is giving himself up to Zod. Then he punches a machine and then saves his girlfriend, that's it, there's no conflict in the character until he kills Zod (which makes it even more weird because it gives the impression he he cares more about the life of a mad tyrant than thousands of civilians, but whatever)
There's not a single line about how he wasn't good enough, not a sad face about all the people that died despite his efforts against the terraforming machine, no, the movie doesn't care about that, the final scenes are super-punch against super-punch followed by destruction of satellites and "he's so sexy"
I mean, there's a fucking reason why all the drones go "but they'll show the consequence of his actions in BvS!", there's no resolution to Superman's character in the damn movie
Starts of as a Kryptonian AI who becomes a cyborg alien.
How could Snyder fuck up my favorite book series, IT'S NOT THAT HARDER TO FUCK UP. You don't have to make it exactly similar to the books, taking liberties is fine but... Snyder just fucked it up.
Also he pretty much fucked up the point of Watchman. So he ruined two things for me.
>Post-costume Clark is never shown being that saviour. He doesn't even try
Saving 7 BILLION Lives twice is not being a savior??? Almost dying to stop the machine isn't trying???
> (which makes it even more weird because it gives the impression he he cares more about the life of a mad tyrant than thousands of civilians, but whatever)
BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT THE CIVILIANS WHILE HE IS IN ONE ON ONE COMBAT WITH ZOD, you seriously want the director to break up the fight so Clark can weep over those already dead instead of fighting to stop Zod to save those that are still alive, are you fucking serious?
The script for Bryan Singer's "The Man of Steel" leaked.
>Superman is watching Jason from afar.
>Brainiac arrives on Earth, is a Kryptonian A.I. that can possess automaton bodies.
>Superman destroys all of Brainiac's bodies.
>Brainiac then manages to transfer his consciousness to Jason's body, artifically aging him into a young adult with abilities that equal Superman's.
>Superman is forced to kill Jason to save Metropolis and destroy Brainiac.
>it's a Snyder hate episode
Snyder is a competent visual director, but he's also rather pretentious and a bit of a douchebag. Add to that the fact both "Watchmen" and "Man of Steel" are very divisive movies which did a lot that people genuinely consider to be wrong, and it's easy to understand why some people aren't sweet on the guy.
Particularly, I think he'd be much better off if he stopped tried to reinvent the wheel through superhero movies and just committed to delivering an entertaining movie. But he seems to obsessed with proving himself as an auteur to do so.
>you seriously want the director to break up the fight so Clark can weep over those already dead instead of fighting to stop Zod to save those that are still alive, are you fucking serious?
Haha, why not? But no, it wasn't necessary to interrupt the fight, he could've done that when he arrived to Metropolis, when Zod was still thought to be dead. But nope, it's super important to have him kiss Lois on a ground zero instead because this totally unconventional and groundbreakingly realistic superhero movie still needs the shoehorned romance. Please
Because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for him to save people one by one when fighting Zod alone considering how fast they move.
> Proof - The ONE time Superman gets distracted to look up at the parking garage exploding Zod INSTANTLY is upon him punching him down.
So the big picture is what he has to worry about in this scenario not the individuals on the street.
And this is one of the best examples of saving the big picture in film, as it actually cost Clark something to so so, he almost dies to stop the world engine, he has to take out the scout ship and the last chance to save his race, and has to kill Zod.
Superman being able to save the world perfectly with non consequence or downside is the definition of a mary sue resolution and its fun but not as engaging.
What mythology, exactly? He's just an excuse villain to make The Death of Superman happen. At least Bane did a few other things to grow out of his role as the same thing for Knightfall, Doomsday hasn't really done anything else beyond that. Probably because he's a lot less usable considering a nigh-invincible berserking monster is both not very interesting to build stories about and much harder to get rid of without breaking credibility.
I agree the kiss wasn't needed, however, In context it was not out of romance and more out of the fact that the 2 needed comfort and stability after both almost being torn apart atom by atom in a black hole, they were both literally shaking as they embraced.
>Because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for him to save people one by one when fighting Zod alone considering how fast they move.
You people say stuff like this as if the story in the movie went that way because it had to follow some natural rules and not because it was written purposefully like that
It was following the rules of the realistic world they set up.
The only way to write it otherwise would be to make them slow and not half as impressive like Superman 2 did or have Zod just stand/float around doing nothing while Superman saves people.
>Snyder makes Sucker Punch
>Snyder makes Watchmen
>Barely pays itself
>Snyder makes Man of Steel
>WB expects movie to be the highest grossing movie of the studio, passing Harry Potter with $1.3 billion
>Movie makes HALF of that
>Gives Snyder complete reign over the entire DC property
How does he do it?
>Superman continues to validate his existence by fighting threats he wouldn't need to fight if Superman wasn't there?
Just like he did in Superman II
Or how the Avengers did with Loki and Ultron
Or how Batman does with the Joker
WHY DO THEY KEEP FUCKING DOING THIS.
EVERY TIME THESE NIGGERS OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND SPOIL THE FUCKING MOVIE MORE MY DESIRE TO GO SEE IT BECOMES LESS. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT ME TO ENJOY A MOVIE IF I GET ALL MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE IT COMES OUT AND I ENTER THE THEATER TWO STEPS AHEAD OF THE PLOT?
fucking goddamn you niggers are dense. Stop with the fucking formula already.
Nope he was going to have Batman snap someone neck and had Superman being brainwashed and destroyed a building.
Plus he thinks Superman is boring and thus would have gotten it wrong.
Yes it is, the world and setting is much more grounded, army has no laser guns or flying cars, people are mistrustful of others, destruction and consequences happen proving that Superheroes can not solve everything.
If it wasn't Zack people would bitch about other things.
This boils down to NOT MY DC or NOT MY DADDYS DCU. If so just fuck off and watch the CW shows or go back to the Bruce Timm Universe.
I meant negative as in "lotsa people died, city half destroyed", my impression was that anon thinks that's enought to set it apart from other capes
Apparently i was wrong, it's more stupid than that >>78932185
Everything I've heard about the upcoming DCEU sounds cool. If it's executed well is what remains to be seen. Personally I like that the big bads will mostly be Superman villains.
Zack is the only guy over at WB who was pushing for a shared DC movie verse, otherwise you'd get nothing more than more Batman movies and probably a Superman reboot.
Hell Spider-Man has been rebooted three fucking times in one decade, what was stopping them from doing it again by getting rid of Snyder?
The crux is that Batman is existentially threatened by Superman. He feels like if he can remove the potential threat of Superman it's the only thing he'll ever do that will matter to humanity in the long run.
>You know those Reeve movies? They came out about 40 years ago. No one cares except nerds.
I agree but just saying I don't want another copy cat reeve movie like Returns was trying to be but failed.
I welcome this new Superman, cause truth be told the only good thing about the other movies was the Reeve performance, the villains were terrible and they could come up with anything to really challenge Superman. Dude could turn back time etc, he was god and whats the point of watching a movie about a guy who is unstoppable? The narrative is just pointless.
Not completely sure about that anons. I mean the superman from the comics faced problems and stuff that existed before him, and even without him there's stuff that's going to destroy earth.
MoS is more responsable for the menace that he faces.
For example bringing Zod for accident in MoS,and before you guys say anything, no I don't hate MoS I find it a interesting interpretation of Superman.
Are you a dumbass? The dream represents Batman's anxieties about Superman's destructive potential, it's not the cause of it. You act like Batman and Superman are only fighting because Bats ate too much cheese before bed. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, people like you who need everything spelled out are ruining movies for the rest of us.
Snyder is the kind of guy who thinks like a teenager messing with photoshop and keeps adding layers and layers of effects in every single shot because he thinks that makes them look "cool" while everyone else realizes it's a bit too much and distracting. No one should trust him.
I expect Batman v Superman to receive the same about of hate/love Man Of Steel got.
I do think WB should let to of Snyder as he's proven to be a very hit and miss director at best. I would for sure get someone else to direct Justice League.
However still looking forward to both this and Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman.
>MoS is more responsable for the menace that he faces.
>For example bringing Zod for accident in MoS
WHY IS THIS BAD? How does it lessen his heroism?
Accidents fucking happen, and before you say he was reckless in activating the scout ship, sure, but it was less reckless then letting the military deconstruct it for decades.
>Ma KentxAlfred resulting in Clark and bruce being psuedo step-brothers
They should just go with the old canon where Jor-El intended Clark and Bruce to be step brothers
>WHY IS THIS BAD? How does it lessen his heroism?
Never said that was bad anon, you're putting words in my mouth. I just said Superman from MoS is more responsable and direct for the things he fights against, that's all. You should really learn how to read.
>Accidents fucking happen, and before you say he was reckless in activating the scout ship, sure, but it was less reckless then letting the military deconstruct it for decades.
We can't know for sure what was going to happen if the military got his hands in the ship. We just know what happen because of Superman using the ship.
Yeah, comics are trash but I think there's more nuance to movies than you think.
Stane was still going to be out there doing terrible things and getting people killed regardless of whether he had Tony's technology, and the death toll he racked up once he got ahold of it was minimal. It also makes sense for Tony's character arc for him to clean up his own mess. This is something that doesn't work quite as well in the sequels, so you're right there.
Thor is duped by Loki in his first movie, Loki wanting to conquer Earth as revenge is a result of Thor foiling for his schemes. Loki still exists with all his bad attitude and power complexes without Thor.
Cap is free of guilt for any bullshit his villains do. Guardians as well.
Hank is cleaning up his mess, but Scott is the actual protagonist, which exonerates Ant-Man of this.
Ultron is the most egregiously bad example. It really is just the Avengers putting on their maid outfits after spilling milk everywhere.
Doomsday is canonically Bertron's doing in Man of Steel according to the Planet Krypton extra in the MoS Blu Ray. All Snyder is saying is that he'll continue on that path, and I'm almost 100% sure this confirms Brainiac for JL.
>DC film universe built on Superman's shoulders
>hurr Superman brought Zod here
"Everyone creates the thing they dread." That's metanarratively the reason for any supervillain's existence and it's no fault of the hero's (especially one who's actively trying to suppress his superpowers so as to not cause a worldwide panic). Why do you think people like Batman vs Joker so much? It recognizes that metanarrative and plays off of it. Joker wouldn't exist without Batman. Lex wouldn't be the person he is without Superman. Ultron wouldn't exist without Iron Man or Hank Pym.
>Loki still exists with all his bad attitude and power complexes without Thor.
So did Zod and the Scout Ship. Zod was still searching for a planet to terraform and "heretical" races to destroy and the US government was already uncovering the ship.
that and he's horrible at casting. Jesse Eisenberg picked for a "super secret" character and then gave him the better role of Lex which was the opposite of the character he was going to play.
You honestly think the supporting cast in MoS was in anyway realistic? I mean, i give you papa Kent, he wasn't badly written but he was indeed misused. But the rest? Brave reporter gurl? Grumpy army man? Doctor Scientist? Clumsy secretary? "He's so sexy" girl? There's nothing realistic about the "he saved us" reaction
>"super secret" character
If its Jimmy, and they were going for an Eisenburg-tier actor that we haven't seen yet, who do you think they picked?
It seems so strange to keep him on the down low
>people who mistrust Spider-Man are portrayed as blind idiots and not people with valid concerns.
So.... Like BvS? Where Superman naysayers are
Batman and Holly Hunter
The anti-Superman protesters.
And had Superman not made it to Earth, Zod never would have either. Loki attacking Earth is brought on by Loki's schemes in Thor 1, not Thor himself. It's true that, if Thor stayed on Earth, there'd be no Loki attacking it in Avengers, but since Loki was already doing his thing in Asgard, and the audience sees that going on, it takes the edge off by the time we get to the next movie.
Thor didn't bring Loki to Earth, Loki being a dick brought Loki to Earth.
>There's nothing realistic about the "he saved us" reaction
>Hm the ground isn't flying into the sky and being hurled at us anymore and this blue and red guy just showed up after saving a woman from a kilometer long fall
The whole weight is going on Batman, there's a reason the sequel of MoS doesn't have a green light along with Warner going for the choice of using Batman like their main selling point like before.
Also Lex was still an asshole and bad guy without Superman.
Dunno man, Lex and Batman got good reasons to not trust Sups. I wonder how are they going to work it in the movie, because from this point of view, if Clark never landed on earth or activated the machine Zod and the invasion wouldn't be a thing on the first place.
But JJJ has NO reason to mistrust or fear Spider-Man.
There is absolutely nothing misguided or dumb about fearing the power of being that can kill every living person on earth by hand.
It's simple, they'll be strawmen.
We know Luthor will claim that he hates Superman because he represents a threat to Humanity when he is really just jealous.
And Batman will be projecting his rage over Robin's death AND be manipulated by Luthor, so that we're 100% clear he would never hate our hero and savior Superman in his right mind.
>And had Superman not made it to Earth, Zod never would have either.
The scout ship was already sent to us and Zod was already continuing his planetary engineering schemes. You have no way of knowing that Zod wouldn't have found Earth by himself or if the government wouldn't have done something stupid. The reason the people of the DCU are lucky is that the guy who loves them more than anyone else was the one who found them first, and will protect and uplift them.
>The whole weight is going on Batman, there's a reason the sequel of MoS doesn't have a green light along with Warner going for the choice of using Batman like their main selling point like before.
>entire world and characters are based on Superman right now
>the meeting of Batman and Superman forms the Justice League
>the villain of which will most likely either be a villain from Krypton
It's funny that people are still going with the "DCCU = Batwank" thing when the first preview had Superman BTFO Batman in front of everyone and Snyder and Affleck have gone on record saying that Batman is the villain.
>The "mythology" of doomsday
That phrase earned those fucking quotation marks.
There's no "mythology". He's a grey hulk mad science monster who is born to kill, and the fact they revealed this shit for BvS has killed any interest I had in the movie. He's the most uncreative, bland, punching bag smashydude ever created and the best thing ever done with him was the fake-out lobotomy by Lord Superman in 90's Justice League.
Here's an informative article for you since apparently Google is too difficult for you to navigate.
>gave Superman one of his best adaptations of all time and ran it for 4 seasons
>gave Superman the most badass moment in JLU when he died and lost his powers
>the entirety of Twilight of the Gods where Batman acts like an asshole and ends up being wrong at every turn
They don't hate Superman at all.
I understand your analogy but I have absolutely no faith in the creative team behind the DC movies. Like, I didnt care much for MoS, but I was on board with this because of the Affleck crew, until that last trailer. It looked like the worst thing. But even that aside, They're CLEARLY not even attempting to use Doomsday as anything other than a hulkydude for Luthor to throw at the protagonists.
I really hope the movie turns out to be good, but I dont have much faith anymore.
>They're CLEARLY not even attempting to use Doomsday as anything other than a hulkydude for Luthor to throw at the protagonists.
Have you read the article linked in the thread we're in right now
He's not wrong though. Timm did say he didn't really care for Superman. The fact that they did such a good job despite that is to their credit.
I'm not >>78933684 but come on man. Just because someone says something's going to be deep and meaningful doesn't mean it is. Snyder knows what words to say for interviews to get asses in seats; the guy got his start doing commercials. He knows ad speak.
What do you really expect them to say in these interviews? That the movie's going to be a generic popcorn blockbuster?
>Parademons in Batman's nightmare sequence.
...Really? You can't take a guess?
>it's too early for Darkseid!
Yeah and it's too early for Doomsday too.
Frankly it was too early for Zod, even.
These articles are meaningless at this point
>What about Doomsday?
Oh yes, we'll make good use of his mythos
>What about WW?
Oh yes, great character, she's the highlight of the movie
>What about Luthor?
Oh yes, great character, he's an unexpected highlight of the movie
>What about JL cameos?
Oh yes, most fun part of the movie
And so on, they're just trying to sell you every single piece of this salad, not that it's inherently bad of course
I did, and I call bullshit, because Snyder spouts that kind of trash before all his movies come out. It's a bunch of lofty statements about mythology and archetypes and the like. He said the same sort of things about MoS. Not the same words, but the same sort of vague, leading enigmatic statements while expressing the utmost love for everything the source material has to offer and then the movies just end up as big, dumb disappointments that look like they were edited by 5 different people who never talked to one another.
hope it's Brainiac, given the fact that Doomsday's Kryptonian origins are going to be prominent in JL.
Who do you think they should get to play/voice him?
I always dreamed of getting one actor to play Vril Dox and he deteriorates into a DCAU/Earth One style Brainiac he goes full CG/Mocap and gets a different person as a VA by the end of the movie. Fred Tatasciore pls
Nobody's talking about deep meaning or anything, just that Doomsday isn't going to be a wall for just this movie (which his comments here straight up confirm).
>Yeah and it's too early for Doomsday too
If anything it's too late for Doomsday. Doomsday is a villain that should be used early and gotten out of the way as quickly as possible because he's garbage.
Timm's Death and Return of Superman movie got it right. Superman kills Doomsday in the first fifteen minutes and the rest of the movie is dedicated to the actual plot.
If it's not Lobo bursting through a wall on Lola and shredding a guitar while kicking Cavillman in the balls I don't think I have any interest.
The insinutation they're jumping right into New Gods content is fucking stupid, and a bad idea. Just let Kirby's shit rest, there's no good way to adapt it. Even TAS/JL's stuff was barebones.
>Batman movies do that too.
If you're talking about DK it's because they're spent and fulfill their purpose by bringing Bruce to a new psychological level
>Superman keeps reusing his arch nemesis
What a shame
Gotta love that Genetic DRM course if we get into the history of races experimenting on kryptonians. Whole hordes of Doomsdays tearing down civilizations. Looking pretty much like Dragonball Z
>if Clark never landed on earth or activated the machine Zod and the invasion wouldn't be a thing on the first place
Yeah from Lex and Bruces point of view this is the case but if you paid any attention at al you know that Zod would land on Earth eventually and Codex or not he still would have Terraformed it as it was the only suitable world for a new Krypton
>It's to early
This is literally only a problem when people are talking about DC. It's OK for Spider-Man to fight Green Goblin first, for Thor to fight Loki, Cap to fight Red Skull, the FF to fight Doom
Probably because DC has more decent villains to choose from.
It's too early for Doomsday because the only real point to Doomsday is that he kills Superman. But it's too soon to kill Superman; he hasn't even BEEN Superman for one full movie yet.
Also, in general Superman villains have the baggage of tending to be big world threatening threats. But then where do you go from there? You can't escalate that shit, (except maybe with Darkseid, a UNIVERSE threatening threat). Serials mandate escalation, It's a sad reality. So when you star with Zod and then go Luthor and Doomsday and then what, Darkseid? It severely lowers the odds of us ever getting Metallo or Parasite or anything but the same 4 villains again. Because those guys aren't as "big" as the A list bad guys, so why would the studios bother with them?
For whatever other issues it had (and it had a fair amount of them) the Nolan trilogy understood how to do sequel escalation right by not blowing their Joker load in the first movie.
>know that Zod would land on Earth eventually
Maybe. See, even if you argue "He was checking all the colonies", there's no indication where Earth was on the list. It COULD have been the very next planet, yes. Or It COULD have been the 100th, which they wouldn't get around to in their lifespans, or with the resources they had. We don't know. What we do know is that because of the beacon they IMMEDIATELY go there.
> and Codex or not he still would have Terraformed it as it was the only suitable world for a new Krypton
...Again, MAYBE, but given how he viewed sexual procreation as an abomination, and given the characterization he had (that can be summed up as "Muh Krypton") there's just as many indicators that without the codex to do things the "Right" way he wouldn't bother. Because the entire point of terraforming is to bring Krypton back as is, right? How's he going to do that without a population?
No, there's no question that he would have terraformed Earth into Krypton. Even if there were no Kryptoninas to colonize it he would destroy the earth and everything on it just so the planet Krypton could live again
This basically confirms Kal leading Justice League, Zack's hard-on for Supes coupled with respect for canon, and this doomsday news. Guys it's pretty much official, how would Batman lead a team of gods that are facing things of Kryotonian nature while Supes is a side character? Yeaah no.
Needless to say, I'm now excited.
Why is there no question? Because you said so?
This isn't a "why doesn't he terraform mars" qestion man. This is one of motivations; what's the point of a Krypton like planet with no actual kryptonian civilization on it?
Because of their powers. Which, is an interesting catch 22 actually. If he finds Earth but no Codex, he can either fuck off and keep looking for the Codex (which, given that he literally screams I WILL FIND HIM seems to be a bigger goal) or terraform Earth then and there. If he chooses the former. he's got until his ship runs out of fuel or he dies or starves. If he chooses the latter, it means Earth atmosphere or gravity or anything to give him powers and immortality, which means he's limited to his normal, non extended lifespan. So Krypton gets to die all over again when Zod and his men die of old age!
>Because I said so
Because Zod is a lunatic obsessed with the preservation of krypton and Kryptonians. The point of Krypton existing for Zod is the simple fact that Krypton will exist!
I hope this just means Brainiac will be linked to Doomsday's creation and he'll be the main villain of JL.
Desaad is in Batman v Superman, disguised as a government official, and is the one that turns Zod and genesis chamber over to Lex. Wonder Woman is hunting down Desaad, not on a crusade to help metahumans like the rumored script states. Desaad encourages creating Doomsday to replace Parademons in Darkseid's army, thus making the way for Darkseid. Darkseid is an New God. Gods will be a major thing in the DCEU. This is why Wonder Woman comes out before Justice League. Darkseid is coming to Earth to kill the Olympians. All life comes from Godwave so what Darkseid seeks, the Anti-Life Equation, comes from killing gods. Atlanteans are sons of Poseidon. Aquaman is a god. Wonder Woman is daughter of Zeus. Wonder Woman is literally the key to all of this and a God. Darkseid might appear in BvS, but will be shown in Wonder Woman film for the first time. Brainiac works for Darkseid, and destroyed Krypton on his orders. Krypton was destroyed because their Genesis Chamber had godwave energy in them that Darkseid wanted. Superman being the embodiment of the codex so he's pretty much a God. Speed Force taps into the Godwave so Flash is a God too. Cyborg probably gets built with godlike stuff and Oa and Green Lantern is definitely all god energy. So everything is Gods Among Us. Except Batman
>Because Zod is a lunatic obsessed with the preservation of krypton and Kryptonians
How will there be Kryptonians past Zod and his crew without the Codex?
Anon, you can't use my argument to refute my argument.
Honestly all that matters is the general audience reception, comic book nerds who bitch on the internet are like one percent who account for these films.
Also long as it's entertaining and it's halfway decent the movie should do well. Not one comic book film that comes out and does well is because of comic book accuracy. Word of mouth will be the selling factor.
There can't but that doesn't matter. "Hey Zod we can terraform this planet into a new Krypton so that even though we will die a part of our culture and being will live on" "Nah fuck it lets just go die in space"
Don't want to sound like /tv/ but I heard audible groans from the audience after there were three trailers for super hero movies in a row before Star Wars. General Audiences are getting tired of these. If BvSM flops I think its over.