>>78916472 I'm not conceptually opposed to the concept of recurring villains, I just think it's stupid that X-Men have gone "Maybe Magneto will stop trying to kill humans this ti--wait, no" in every movie where he's not the headlining villain
>>78916677 It seems he'll be getting a happy ending of a sort at the beginning of X-Men: Apocalypse at least, until Apocalypse comes to wreck that shit up and recruit him for one of his Horseman anyway.
>>78916449 You don't remember one and two very well hell even three. Magneto didn't give a fuck how many people he killed or tortured. If it wasn't fox these would have been R's even without the blood.
X-Men 2 - Magneto teams up with the X-Me against a greater threat, but of course tries to kill humanity in the end once the problem is solved
X-Men 3 - Magneto is the primary villain again, until the last 10 minutes of the film.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Magneto is not involved.
X-Men: First Class - Magneto is not a villain yet. Helps everyone out until the end of the film where he develops his "Kill all humans" attitude.
X-Men: Days of Future Past - Present day Magneto is genuinely helpful and useful. Doesn't betray anyone. Past Magneto is an unhelpful asshole, who doesn't care about the future, and goes back to his "Kill all humans" thing again.
So really, they've only worked together 3 times. Once was before he became a villain, and another occasion was when his past-self was being an asshole... Which I admit is sort of a "have your cake and eat it too" deal, by having him be both a hero and villain, but it still counts. The only time they really should've seen it coming was in X-Men 2.
If they team up with Magneto and he betrays them yet again in Apocalypse, then you might have a point.
>>78917310 actually I agree (one you replied to), this is something new, which they needed. This is something big also, it's an end of the world thing, Which Dark Pheonix should have shown but fucking sucked at it.
>>78917381 by defending his country and making a weapon. Canada is fucking insane in Marvel (I kinda take some pride in that). But yeah Striker was defending his country, like making a Cap. He just wasn't good at it
>>78916046 something tells me the House of Mouse would rip the doors off on an X-Men movie, Winter Solider wasn't cartoonish fluff, so to automatically assume Disney would turn the X-Men into meme spouting retards like GOTG isn't fair. I'm more concerned about the SFX and make up which is lacking compared to what FOX has given us in recent films.
that said I hope Singer makes X-Men movies forever and Deadpool's unavoidable success makes FOX take a gander at comic accurate costumes
X Men/Fox's X franchise is stronger than ever and has stood on its own like half a decade before Batman Begins, and a decade before the MCU was finally green lit after Iron Man.
X 1-3 were okay with high lights and a few lows,, and missing certain content (ie Wolverine and Colossus in x2 should of been whooping fucking ass together straight from the x mansion raid to strykers base)
but first class was as good as any phase 1 MCU film, and DoFP was one of the best cape flicks ever made. Very excited for Apocalypse, maybe more so Deadpool, and im hype for Tatum's Gambit project. Really hope we get a present era X-Men trilogy after Apocalypse, and present era X-Force with proper cable, and DP2 has Cable featured heavily. Just redo the first arc of Cable/Deadpool
If deadpool is a success then we might enter to a new cycle of cape movies rated R.
Fox will gain a new face for their x-men movies, I think deadpool is the iron man for fox, fox started to take cape movies seriously with DoFP, but if this solo movie manage to do well enought, well space is literally the limit because we might finally see the Shia empire or the broods
>>78919122 Xavier >builds school to educate young mutants, help them control their abilities and teach them that working together will better all of humanity in the future.
Stryker >abducts mutants, subjects them to painful physical experiments and mind control in a cold military bunker with the intent of using them to wipe out a species.
I'm not going to argue that the central premise is silly when undisciplined mutants are inherently dangerous, but if you're vouching for the side that acts out of pre-emtive violent fear then you've missed the point of X-Men entirely.
I have given the seven films in the X-Men franchise thus far an average score of 5.7/10 I have given the twelve films thus far in the MCU an average score of 6.5/10. Not a huge difference in quality but the MCU might be able to do something a bit fresher with the characters. They'd probably dumb them down a bit, though.
>>78917097 Everyone did everything wrong. It was such a clusterfuck that any morally good action was still, at best, grey. Every character ended up worse off in that run and it didn't even lead to interesting follow-ups. Most writers are forgetting it even happened at this point.
>>78919242 The only people in-universe that know what goes on in Chuck's school are mutants. There's no government liaison, no oversight of any kind, it's just a privatized school that only accepts kids with superpowers, and occasionally has someone stand before a senate committee and say everyone should get along, then turns around and sends costumed vigilantes to fight other freaks that decide to kill all humanity.
Imagine living in a world where every day the odds are steadily climbing that some teenager is going to wake up with a power they can't control and accidentally kill all life on the planet. Stryker was right to want to study them and find a way to stop them. If Xavier was doing his self-appointed job right in the first place there wouldn't have been any dangerous untrained mutants for him to kidnap anyway. He should have turned over cerebro to the government, and helped them process, register, and train or suppress mutants according to their powers, because obviously Xavier and his school can't even come close to handling the threat on their own.
>>78919670 1. Captain America: Civil War (8/10) 2. X-Men: Apocalypse (7/10) 3. Suicide Squad (6/10) 4. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (6/10) 5. Deadpool (5/10) 6. Doctor Strange (5/10) 7. Gambit (4/10) 8. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows (3/10)
>>78919594 If you can't see the difference between fictional creatures with uncontrolled murder powers that regularly and vociferously distance themselves from humanity and regular people that were just born somewhere different from you that's your problem, not mine senpai.
>>78919691 The costume looks pretty good but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's just another quippy Marvel movies. Dr. Strange will be fun the first time you watch it but will prove to be ultimately forgettable and doesn't really stay with you.
>>78919691 Different poster but how exactly is it plebby to find Iron Man superior to Iron Man 2?
Iron Man >comeback movie for RDJ >Jon Favreau showing us he could handle a solid action movie >excellent soundtrack and score >Jeff Bridges >Iron Man ain't afraid to kill some bad guys >Great final line to the movie
Iron Man 2 >continued attempt to force a Mickey Rourke comeback >can't afford to bring back Terrence Howard so just replace him >Just make the whole soundtrack AC/DC because fuck it >Terrible anticlimactic fight with Whiplash won by Iron Man and War Machine air-fiving each other >Forced Avengers tie-ins and references >Favreau deciding he needs a bigger role
>>78919900 I wasn't the guy you were replying to that time, I was the one who posted the original ratings. If I hated it, though, I'd give it 1/10. 3/10 is fair. It's a below average movie with one or two cool moments. I don't hate it.
>>78919982 I enjoyed the first Rush Hour. I loved the scene where Chan is fighting all the goons while trying not to let any of the vases break. Red Dragon was also alright but nothing special, I agree.
>>78919902 It's not entirely his fault. Tom Rothman was the one that forced the Cure storyline over the Dark Phoenix storyline because he was salty about Singer's departure and hated everything vaguely fantastical about the X-Men. He's also the reason why we didn't get Sentinels in X2 and X3, and why Days of Future Past took so long to be made into a movie.
I get that the base story problems wasn't all on him, but there was no excuse for how bad the action was or stupid garbage like dank Juggernaut memes being in the script and Magneto being an entirely different character from the first two.
>>78916046 Yes and no? I dunno. If the X-men movies was made by marvel, we know there would be a crossover between the avengers and some of the x-men.
But In the X-men comics(and movies) we always see regular people have knowledge about the existance of mutants, and a hate/fear of mutants cause of the powers they got. And then we see in the other hero comics(and movies) how everyone loves the heroes with powers.
But then in the comics when Wolverine is part of the Avengers, there isn't any mutant hate from people. How does that work? that they ignore the mutant hate for the sake of a story in a comic cause they don't wanna do a mutant hate plot each time wolverine shows up? Okay, I can live with that they don't wanna repeat a minor plot. But how would that work in a movie?
Then again, Agents of Shield got the inhuman act going where people are gaining powers. And people are afraid of people with powers. No idea where that is going. Except for the upcoming Inhumans movie at some point.
I really enjoyed it but it's nothing like the rest of the franchise. It's more of a self-contained character drama then the rest, until the crazy shit in the third act it's relatively sedate for a cape movie.
They basically let James Mangold actually make a character drama, a goofy superhero drama with lots of stabbing but still a drama.
>>78920281 He played his role as the plot device but the story did not really center on him. I mean, he was taken out like a bitch by Magneto in the climax, you can't be the real hero of the story if the villain of the story treats you like a chew toy.
>>78920311 Wolverine our protagonist. It is through his eyes we see the movie, he is the one we relate to and the whole film follows him. The story focuses on him from the moment he steps off the plane in the future to when he returns to the future at the end. He is present in every scene until Magneto casts him aside - and only because if Wolverine stabbed and defeated Magneto again that would just be retarded. And then immediately after the chat next to the Oval Office, we're back with Wolverine. He is very, very obviously the main character. Maybe not the best character, or the most interesting, but certainly the main one.
>>78920317 >>78920331 The X-Force film in development being written and directed by Jeff Wadlow will most likely feature Cable as a member of the team alongside Cannonball, Warpath, Domino, another undecided female character and possibly Deadpool.
>>78917121 Yeah there seems to be no in-between for CBM villains. They're either Loki/Magneto and get the same story in every film or they're killed immediately. I think the little Scarecrow spots in the Nolan-verse were a pretty good way of re-using a villain.
Call it stupid all you want, but the most sure fire way to give me goosebumps during infinity war is to have the FF and X-Men pop up (after having secret rights discussions) A cameo from Hugh dressed in a white tank top would be cool too
>>78920367 >He is very, very obviously the main character. Maybe not the best character, or the most interesting, but certainly the main one. He's a plot device. Charles and Magneto are the main characters...Wolverine exists only to link the past to the future, he has no truly important scenes other than simply existing.
And yes, he's better than Shadowcat. Nobody knows or cares about her movieverse wise, it would be dumb to make her have that role
>>78920531 Yeah, but that's what a protagonist is. Like, in Transformers, you can argue all you want about how Optimus Prime and Megatron are what the movie's about. Sure. And sure, Sam doesn't do much. At all. He just watches. Fine. But he's in every scene. He's the audience's vessel. He is our protagonist.
A protagonist isn't just "the guy that's the coolest" or "the guy who has the most internal character development". He's the character designed for us to identify with.
Marty McFly, not George, is the protagonist of Back to the Future. Who knocks Biff out? George does, while Marty is locked up in a trunk. Same deal as Wolverine being stuck under the river. But Marty and Wolverine are our protagonists. We travel back with them. We follow them around in the past. We return with them. It's their journey. This is the best example I can think of to compare to DOFP.
I don't think I can explain it any better than that. Suffice to say that a protagonist has a very specific role that neither Magneto nor Xavier fulfil in DOFP. If you're still not convinced, we'll just need to agree to disagree.
>>78920534 I still can't tell wether i like DoFP or not
I mean, it's an enjoyable watch, no doubt, there's cool action, character moments and shit
But then i remember the movie is officially making Mystique this super important and misunderstood hero just because muh JLaw, and Singer seems to hate First Class or something since he dismisses stuff like crippled Charles or the costumes Plus, even if resetting the timeline makes obviously sense considering the story, i can't stop thinking that it's more of a tool to allow the new movies to have the original X-men while ignoring the original movies
I dunno, it's a good movie i guess but it's annoying to me
>>78920734 >But then i remember the movie is officially making Mystique this super important and misunderstood hero just because muh JLaw Mystique has always been important and a main character in the movies man
>Mystique has always been important and a main character in the movies man
The problem is less the plot mechanics and more that JLaw looked like she wanted to kill herself in every scene.
And you can't even blame the writing. Look on the page and see what Raven has, she's the emotional fulcrum of the entire damn movie. It's a story about her choosing her own path instead of being pulled into the orbit by the men in her life, that's a juicy arc for an actress to work with.
And JLaw was a wet towel the entire movie. She's a damn good actress when she tries, but it's obvious whatever draconian contract Fox got her into before she was a big thing forced her into a big role she had no interest in actually doing. She was good in First Class as a side character, but it's clear Lawrence did NOT want to be the main.
>>78921027 >Mystique has always been important and a main character in the movies man
No she wasn't, not to this point First she was a capable hench(wo)man, now she is/has been the best friend to some extent of both the good and evil leaders of the franchise and her actions affected the future of the entire mutant and human race. In the next movie she's the inspirational character of the group, for crying out loud. The last scenes of DoFP imply that in the new timeline she either saves Wolverine from turture or is the one that gives him the adamantium skeleton
And that's not even mentioning all the shit about the makeup, a key feature of the character, appearing and disappearing according to the whims of either the actress or the producers
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