Is John Stewart the most boring of the human Green Lanterns?

>>78908195

>>>/pol/

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>>78908195

>>78908195
But he was a marine

>>78908195
Hal.

Hal has noting unique to him, i hear his fans say "he's lie han solo as a super hero"

Except he really hisn't. a few one liners dose not a han solo make

>>78908195

He'd be less boring if they focused on his being OPERATOR AS FUCK like in that image.

Hal should be OG Lantern, Guy should be Comedy Lantern, Kyle should be Artist's Wet Dream Lantern and John should be Operator Lantern.
Kyle shoul

I don't think any of them are boring to be honest

Feels like John gets stuck with dull characterization a lot but it doesn't make him bad

>>78908195
Kyle Rayner hasn't been interesting since Rebirth.
Guy Gardner was terrible as Warrior
Hal was interesting as Spectre and under Johns. Otherwise, he's awful.

Is John boring, or is he just the only lantern to still never really get the spotlight? Mosaic was great!

>>78908253
A marine architect. That's double boring.

>>78908195
he is supposed to be kind of unimaginative, yeah. that's what makes him interesting. all these powers that rightfully belong with a creative like kyle rayner, found in the hands of a no-nonsense marine. He doesn't make big springy hands, he makes a brick that smashes you. It's boring, but it's variation that isn't stale.

>>78908231
You can think a character's dull without it being racist.

John had a really cool couple of stories and then it feels like no one knew what to do with the guy, sadly.

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>>78908195

You know...I was looking into John stewart origin.

He was suppose to be a black version of guy gardner. You know being a jerk and stubborn at times except he make black jokes and become smarter than guy gardner.

>>78908345
Why did you even reply to that post?
That anon was clearly pretending to be retarded.

>>78908270
Hal has an origin story, a motivation, a supporting cast, and villains who give a shit.

Does anyone know who John Stewart even is as a person? "He's an architect", "he's a Marine sniper", what the fuck does that tell me about why this motherfucker is one of the five most willful men on Earth or who and what he cares about?

Hal

>>78908195
alan scott
>muh dead boyfriend

>>78908322
wasn't his thing, at least during the Geoff era, that he made needless little details in his constructs like individual bolts in light bridges and making guns with full moving parts?

>>78908349
Guy was introduced before John, but John had the angry arrogant thing down long before Guy ever acted that way

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>>78908251
Don't let the European politicians hear you say that, they will claim that you are a racist.

>>78908279
Kyle should be/was every kids' self insert
fuck Johns

>>78908195
You gonna do this with all black characters, from comics?

>>78908505
Guy has always been angry as fuck but with a heart of gold
what you talking about

>>78908652
>Guy has always been angry as fuck but with a heart of gold
nope. he only got angry after he got legit brain damaged.

>>78908652
I'm talking about Silver Age Guy, he wasn't like that at all until he came back in the mid 80s

>>78908617
he's still the self insert lantern, only now it's less the "everyman" sense and more the "donut steel special snowflake" sense

>>78908921

That's what happens when you make a character specifically for people to self-insert on.

The self-inserters grow up and start jacking the character up to mary sue OC faggot levels.

It happened to Kyle Rayner, it happened to Peter Parker and it'll probably happen to Kamala Khan.

>>78908637
Your implication that OP has a problem with race and not an individual implies that you think there's nothing wrong with John Stewart.

I'm curious to see SOMEONE in this thread defend his personality or even explain what the fuck it is, since it has yet to happen. Care to give it a go?

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>>78908279
>>78908617
>re-reading Kyle run
why did Johns pulled a reverse Gohan on us

>>78908921
Isn't that Hal? He is the "leader" of the Green Lanterns. He is usually always right. He is said to be the greatest Green Lantern. He is the one that overwrited/overpower the restriction placed on a Green Lantern power ring and killed an Oan with it.

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>>78908195
>I don't like this particular character but I can't explain why because I haven't read jackshit about the character, so I'll just call him boring to make up for my lack of actual criticism!

>>78909086
Boring is pretty much the biggest problem with John right now. He has nothing to make himself stand out among the crowd.

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Personally, If i was writing the characters. I going to make up some bullshit like...these four lanterns human shows 4 type of a willful mind.

John Stewart = Patience.
Guy Gardner = stubborn
Hal Jordan = Focusing
Kyle Rayner = being creative

>>78909143
>right now

John never had a thing. Except Mosaic, but that wasn't a story about HIM per say, so much as a story about a bunch of stuff happening to or around him.

>>78909178
And what is Jessica and Simon's?

>>78908195

He has the sense to apparate a gun so he's alright in my book.

>>78909178
What does "focusing" mean?

Hal's basically the same character as Guy in that his version of being willful is "do what I want on a whim, anyone who gives me orders can fuck off", the only difference is that Hal's chill and suave while Guy has the angry "always second best" chip on his shoulder and no social graces.

>>78909211
Jessica = Facing fear.
Simons = Being a rebel.

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Will John ever get to be the Messiah again?

>>78909278
That's blasphemy tho anon.

>>78909063
Hal is enough of a fuck up that I hesitate to call him a mary sue or whatever

>>78909278
The Messiah who kills planets.

>>78909189
>John never had a thing.
sure he did, he used to have a temper and be the "rookie" lantern but those roles passed onto Guy and Kyle and then the DCAU zapped most of his personality and now the only things anybody can think of regarding him are Xanshi, buildings, and OORAH

>>78909063
>He is said to be the greatest Green Lantern

That's not an informed trait though like a fanfiction character would have upon introduction, it's because he's been around for fifty years realtime so he has the most feats and accomplishments in sheer numbers.

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Remember that time when John stewert was destiny to cuckold the hawk-guy?

That is the most worst message in the show.

>>78909354
Everyone's a rookie in their origin story, that's not a character trait. I'll give you "angry" though, his original motivation was basically "the man is holdin' me down and I'm sassy about it", which IS a lot more than he's had in every story post-O'Neil/Adams

>>78909499
Fuck Hawkrapist.

>>78909499
John was there first and Hawkman was a creepy loser and, even worse, was voiced by James Remar.

>>78909178
ok tynion

>>78909499
It's not like it's the first time. John cucked Hal when he wanted to bang a red headed cutie.

>>78909577
>>78909574
Hawkgirl/Jihn stewart is a horrible pairing and you're all trash for liking it.

>>78909626
It doesn't matter if it was good, it was the only thing he fucking had.

>>78909623
That red hair cutie was basically hal's sloppy seconds tho.

>>78909499
Technically Carter got to tap that the night after meeting Shayera. John wasn't happy.

>>78909574
>>78909577
He was a creepy loser that was right about fucking destiny and shit.

Even if hawk-man came first, He going to get cuck anyway because of "destiny" bullshit.

>>78908468
Requesting the panel(s) towards the end of Rebirth were it shows how each GL's constructs are made.

>>78909652
Only because they stripped him of any character and personality. The DCAU has basically kill John stewart.

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>>78909771

>>78909703
He was right about their past lives.

That doesn't mean shit to the present and doesn't predict the future.

And in the present, he was acting like a fucking autist.

>>78909713
What character and personality did they strip him of? What did he act like before?

>>78909788
Thanks, anon.

>>78909789

It totally did predict the damn future. Only thing change about it, They didn't die together.

Why are you defending this episode?

>>78909825
Like an angry black guy.

>>78909983
You're thinking of Comics Hawkman and Hawkgirl.

In the show, they only had one past life and weren't destined to get back together and be murdered by the same guy over and over.

>>78909996
Fair enough.

I'm curious though, because I can sort of answer this question for Hal, Guy, and Kyle, but I can't answer it for John: what about him makes him more willful or "able to overcome great fear" than an ordinary person? There are tons of angry black guys in the world, why's he special? How did he get to be that way?

Or is he, as I suspect, the only GL who doesn't have a proper origin beyond "Guardians told Hal to pick another backup guy at random"?

John's role, and the entire point of his character to begin with, is "the black guy".

It's also the reason he was used in that cartoon.

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>>78910126
>Or is he, as I suspect, the only GL who doesn't have a proper origin beyond "Guardians told Hal to pick another backup guy at random"?
The Guardians picked him out themselves but I'm not sure they ever elaborated on why

Maybe they added another reason in the mid 80s when John got a bigger part in the book but I haven't read that stuff yet

I also don't know if John ever really got a proper origin story update, I know he had one in the recent Secret Origins book but that didn't clarify it much either, it just removed him being Hal's backup

>>78910554
>I know he had one in the recent Secret Origins book but that didn't clarify it much either, it just removed him being Hal's backup

I think it established his mother's name for the first time and that she was a politician who got assassinated or something? I can't really remember.

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>>78910554

He's the Messiah man

>ctrl+f
>hard choices
>0 hits
Seriously? He's been nothing but MUH HARD CHOICES ever since Johns took over!

>>78908195
hal

>>78910615
yeah I wasn't sure if that was new 52 background or if it was part of his backstory before

I just remember in the SO story his ring just kind of came from nowhere

>>78909499
dwayne mcdumbshit

>>78908195
Why was he the main GL in JLU anyway? Hal and Kyle possess far more impressive resumes and histories with the League. Was there something going on in the comics at that time that I'm unaware of?

>>78908195
Still the best Green Lantern.

>>78908195
At least he's not a gigantic Mary Sue editorial baby like Kyle.

>>78910887
Diversity for the sake of diversity.

>>78910887
>Was there something going on in the comics at that time that I'm unaware of?
When STAS started Hal was Parallax/dead so they used Kyle for synergy I guess? Kyle got a lot of exposure in the mid 90s

For JL/JLU Hal was still dead/The Spectre so he was off the table but they went with John over Kyle for diversity

>>78910617
So he was picked to get a ring not because he's got a super amount of willpower like the others, but because they predicted he'd develop Guardian powers?

Okay...but WHY does he develop Guardian powers?

>>78910975
>When STAS started Hal was Parallax/dead

That's not how they did it. In the DCAU, Hal remained a powerless airforce pilot and Kyle got the Abin Sur origin.

>>78910941
i rather take the mary-sue tbqh,at least he was fun at one point.but just like they are doing with kamala,a fan favorite gets everything.

>>78911026
I meant he was Parallax/dead in the comics at the time

Did Hal cameo in STAS at all? I remember Kyle made a plane construct that said Col. Jordan on it

>>78910887
They wanted Phil Lamarr to voice somebody.

>>78908195
Pre-Tom King Kyle Rayner.

>>78911054
No, what happened was Sinestro and Kyle fought across an airfield and one of the planes there said Jordan.

Hal's only appearance in the DCAU is as a Lantern from an alternate timeline in one episode of JLU.

>>78908195
He's the Green Lantern who's best at just passing by

>>78911078
you might as well amend that to pre- and post-Tom King

>>78911095
huh, could have sworn that was a construct. Guess it's been a while since I've seen STAS

didn't Kyle have short brown hair in that episode though? that threw me off too

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>>78910980
He's a living man half in death.

>>78911196
Yeah, the thing about Bruce Timm is his approach to legacy characters was always to combine them.

Tim Drake had Jason Todd's origin, Kyle looked like Hal and got his ring from Abin, Wally was a CSI with no Barry.

>>78910975

When they were introducing the league in Superman they decided to use Kyle and Wally because at the time they were the ones in the costumes and they wanted to promote the new blood in this eventual Justice League cartoon.

However when they started assembling the final team years later they went for John because they realized they didn't have a black character and he was basically a blankslate they could do whatever they wanted with.

>>78911198
The fuck does that mean?

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>>78911198

>>78911274

Actually it was hinted that Wally did have a Barry. The Kid Flash costume shows up in the museum.

>>78911307
Why didn't they use Kyle and then have Black Lightning or Mr Terrific as the token black?

>>78911420
Mr. Terrific shows up later on but he isn't a permanent fixture like GL would be

>>78911359
>Kindle

>>78911362
The show's occasional hints at Wally's backstory tended towards being weird and a little contradictory. What we actually SAW suggest Wally was the grown man working in the lab getting struck by lightning, but then they'd sneak easter eggs in like that costume, or Wally's boss being a guy who looks like Barry, I think Wally mentioned his uncle offhandedly once, and then JLU and TT shared VAs for Flash/Kid Flash and Speedy.

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>>78911308
He has gone beyond the green and found the red.

>>78911420
If you were introducing the Justice League for the first time, would you really make Black Lightning or Mr. Terrific one of the "Big 7" founders?

>>78909499
>>78910858
Finally the true purpose of this thread comes out.

>>78911488
Would you make Cyborg one of the seven founders?

>>78911483
The fuck does THAT mean?

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>>78911515
Something something the Red was Sinestro and him awakening his Guardian powers. I can't remember it's been a while since I've read Mosaic.

>>78911506
Well no...but he's at least a better choice than those two, his name and character concept are simple and marketable and his powerset is versatile.

>>78911506
As opposed to Black Tony Wayne and a character most people think is just a living meme? Yes.

>>78911714
>Black Tony Wayne
?

>>78911506
Why is it so important to have a black founder? Where is the asian founder, or the hispanic one? The whole idea of protecting and policing the world is a pretty white one to begin with.

>>78911766
A lot of what Mister Terrific is capable of can also be found in Batman and Iron Man. Not the easiest thing to market, especially when you already have Batman on the team as the token unpowered gadget user.

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>>78911506
I would have used Apache Chief

>>78911827
>Where is the asian founder, or the hispanic one?
Yeah that' is a good point. And where is the Pacific Islander one? Is there even a Pacific Islander hero in DC?

>>78911951
Yes!

>>78912023
Pacific Islanders don't exist. They're a race manufactured by the sports industry as an alternative to blacks.

>>78911938
What if they made him like Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt?

>>78908532
It doesn't matter man I'm white and I live in America by that definition I'am racist unless gay.

>>78908251
I keep forgetting he's not a wrestler.

>>78912123
So...Batman with ESP?

>>78912196
yes

>>78912215
Well we've already got a Batman, and sometimes we have Martian Manhunter...

>>78909061
How I loved Kyle.

>>78912317
Alright but what if we gave him some attitude. Like, he doesn't take orders without making snaps.

>>78909061
Because Johns is shit

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>>78911502
The only way John Stewart the comic character in the early 2000s and John Stewart the cartoon character in the early 2000s resembled each other is that they were black guys with Lantern rings
DCAU John was basically just Mcduffie's original character do not steal. It's a fact. Whether it's good or bad is up to interpretation

>>78909061
>why did Johns pulled a reverse Gohan on us
What do you mean? Gohan ended up as a lame jobber after the Cell arc despite being hyped up as Goku's successor. I'd say Kyle is a pretty standard Gohan type character.

>>78914266
Come on Anon, you just know that is factually untrue.

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>>78908319
>a marine architect

what kind of stupid fucking job is that?

>>78908968
You forgot Tim Drake, the worst offender in modern comics. Tim Drake, 1989-2002. Never Forget.

>>78908270
I don't know much about Hal but from what I have seen in /co/, and how anons talk about him, he is a fearless cocky smug retard who ends up being someone's sex slave at some point.

>>78914983
He was also a sniper....

>>78914993
He had a good long run, for what it's worth. It's a lot more than plenty of other characters or franchises get who have been stuck in a rut since like the 80's or so.

>>78915164
He appeared in a lot of stuff during that time too. His solo, YJ, Green Arrow, Batgirl, other Batbooks, etc, so thankfully there's a lot of good Tim stuff.

Unfortunately has the years drag on, the numbers of good Tim and bad Tim are getting closer and closer, if bad Tim hasn't already been in more already.

>>78915007
He's not really smug but you're not too far off the mark otherwise

He also tries to do the right things but is a total fuck up

>>78915007
That's pretty accurate for most of his history, yeah.

>>78908195
The ONLY earth lantern of any interest is Guy and even he's not that interesting.

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>>78914387
Why are you using a Doremi image?

>>78908195
Nope
Theyre all equally boring.

>>78914983
>what kind of stupid fucking job is that?

He designs forts and shit. I guess.

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>>78908195
Not anymore, he's a Star Sapphire now

>>78916108
That was only for like two issues

Also making him part of the worst corps isn't really helping

>>78915225
Yeah right, and now you got newfags who actually like Jason more than Tim too which I find quite repulsive.

It would be one thing if Red Hood was starring in quality story lines like Grayson but he's not. He's simply not.

>>78916108
Why did they not give him a skimpy ass outfit though?

>>78915266
Anybody else enjoy Hal Jordan getting BTFO by his Justice League team mates or some super villain? Because I do.

>>78916200
No, he's a precious angel who doesn't deserve that ;_;

>>78916240
But Mr. Geoff Johns sir, you were the one who wrote those scenes in Justice League.

Or did you forget?

He was, but then Simon Baz came out. Simon Baz is literally the exact same shit as John Stewart, except the racism he's dealing with is justified, since he's a terrorist van thief with a ski mask and Qran writings on his arm carrying a gun. Also he's less interesting in general.

>>78916277
I don't know why Johns decided to start bullying him too

>>78916373
It was punishment for the failure of the Green Lantern movie in 2011.

>>78911466
not to mention according to the JLU comics Bart existed after Wally and Jay existed before Wally.

>>78916108
>there will never be a Star Sapphire John action figure
>there will never be an Indigo Tribe John action figure
All my other versions of the other Lanterns just feel awkward.

>>78916453
B-but that wasn't Hal's fault!

>>78916635
Tell that to John Stewart fans, mate.

>>78908968
>>78914993
Tim/Wally/Kyle are my favorite DC heroes and Peter Parker/Dick Rider are my favorite Marvel heroes
I've been reading a lot more graphic novels and manga recently because the big 2 seems to have a personal dilemma against me

each lantern has a unique theme to their constructs right? can some one tell me what each one has?

>>78916734
see
>>78909747
>>78909771
>>78909788

>>78909747
>about Kilowog's ring
Really? Why his ring makes sound?

>>78916797
so is injustice a bad representation for hals constructs? he makes chainguns and missiles seems to go against what this says

>>78908251
Thank you simon for saving john from this boring title.

>>78909577
>and, even worse, was voiced by James Remar.
Are you turning faggot?

>>78916675
>his movie bombed, that means Hal's age is over! Next Lantern in movie should be John!
Can't argue with that logic.

>>78916978
Haha no, you cannot.

JOhn was actually sweet back in Mosaic, but making him a soldier is pretty much THE worst thing you could have done to him. He's much more interesting as the eloquent architect. 'Cause Guy's dumb, Hal's dumb, and Kyle isn't particularly educated, so make John a counterpoint to that. Bring back him quoting old novels and playing jazz on his piano and shit. It's a lot more interesting than Serious Marine #2325

>>78914601
>>78909061
Gohan was meant to be the hero of DBZ till Toriyama pussied out and gave into fan demand and brought Goku back.
It wasn't a reverse Gohan, it was a straight up Gohan

>>78917051
I think you may be asking for a bit too much from writers, anon. When uncultured people attempt to create cultured characters it results in situations where a so-called fantastic artist is just painting photo-realistic portraits and similar things.

It's Hal. I love the guy but he's in traction

>>78916561
there are heroclix versions of both of those

>>78908270
Han Solo himself is boring, I never got why was he so popular.

>>78917256
boba fett pls go

>>78908270
He's Captain Kirk, not Han Solo. Hal is too good to be Han.

>>78917532
Oh, burn.

>>78914983
combat engineering, he gets to turn whatever shithole they're garrisoned into less of a death trap. god knows why he's a sniper.

>>78916978
I'd take Baz over John just for the tears.

>>78917669
Me too, actually.

>>78908195
The problem with John is that his personality started out as, basically, jive-talking black stereotype. Kinda like Luke Cage, except he even had an afro. But as fun as it is, we can't really have that after the 70s so they took it out, and never really filled the void with anything else.

>>78917085
this

>>78917669
Real tears would be shed if Guy was picked.

>>78909061
Was Gohan a stereotyped replacement only loved by self inserters and nostalgiafags?

>>78918111
now
but at a time
there was hope

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This is a typical post in the John Stewart circlejerk on CBR.

>>78918171
Huh, that's funny, it seems they've turned on Bunn retroactively.

>>78918171
is there some part of "there are 4 green lanterns on earth, 6 if you count Baz and Alan Scott" that they don't get?

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>>78918171
Darkseid War: Green Lantern made them angry.

>>78918196
Mmm, yes. It's either you're for John Stewart, or against him if you like any of the other Green Lanterns.

>>78918171
>Maybe DC should actually hire someone who wants to write John Stewart?
Does such a person exist?

>>78918213
I'm torn between laughing at the pure salt, or raging at the utterly shit taste.

>>78918215
And if you're not Johnfag, you're racist. You're double racist if you're Guyfag.

>>78918215
Also, forgot to say:
>King says he's not familiar with Green Lanterns and needs help writing one
>Johns gives him his work and says "he's main one"
>Johnfags go berserk

>>78918233
the hatred they have of Guy I find hilarious since Jive talking John had a lot of similar character traits before all his hip 70sness got replaced with MUH CORPS

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>>78918213
Literally my sides.

Literally...

My sides.

>>78918239
Did he say that? I know he said in an interview that he enjoyed writing Hal even more than Dick.

>>78918242
I bet they hate Lost Army because Guy steals all spotlights.
>>78918256
Yeah, that's what I've read somewhere. John Stewart's CBR thread probably. So if they lied, I lie.

>>78918239
It's honestly quite sad.

>>78918233
The racist accusations are hilarious, because they beat the "DC hates diversity" drum a lot, but they also hate Cyborg and Simon Baz

>>78918239
...
I'm a Kylefag, Guy is my second favorite.

I would never try to claim that Hal isn't the main GL unless it's a JSA book and then it's Alan Scott.

Do they even read the books?

John was Hal's understudy, he literally got work when Hal couldn't be fucked to do GL shit.

>>78918196
Apparently if any writer uses any character that isn't John, they're intentionally marginalizing them

>>78918280
Because Cyborg takes token black dude on team, I presume? And Simon... takes token black dude on GLC?
>>78918283
John is bestest, he was on cartoon!!!
Really.
That's logic they use.

>>78918280
honestly I'd like to see a Baz book just so we can fget some information on the fucker. Everyone Knows the main GLs, Baz is a mystery who healed his brother once, that's all we know.

>>78918296
He started out as a fucking understudy "marginalized" is his natural state.

>>78918239
I really hope they announce a new GL spinoff promising a classic human GL who's almost never had a solo... and then make it about Jade.

>>78918280
Man, I hate that shit the most actually. I hate when they try to pit Cyborg against John for membership on the JL.

>>78918313
Wasn't Simon on JLA, with Martian Manhunter and Catwoman?
>>78918316
Or that Russian girl.

>>78908195
>>78909747
What is the reasoning behind making a complicated mechanical device with the ring? Is John Stewart's Lantern gun better than just firing a bullet or shooting with the ring? Is his vice better than just a normal ring construct?

>>78918331
How else would we know he's marine/sniperist/architect?

>>78908195
From best to worst green lantern
Guy > Kyle > Hal >John > towelhead

>>78918327
Ooh, or Vickers.

>>78918213
I'm kind of tempted to post an image of that issue's Comic Book Roundup score just to rile them up, except that website is retarded and listed Jeff King as the writer

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics/justice-league-darkseid-war-green-lantern/1

>>78918339
Characterisation? The ability to construct something that actually needs to be mechanically complex, rather than just doing it randomly?

>>78918346
Wrong.
Hal>Alan=Guy>Kyle>Charlie>Jade>John>Valentina?>Baz

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>>78909061
Atleast Kyle gets to kind of exist, unlike his best friend and his best friend's entire family.

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>>78918256
I don't get what they were thinking. It's JL story, Hal is GL in JL, why would King write story about someone else?

>>78918416
Because the intern who wrote the solicits months before the issue ever came out mentioned John Stewart

>>78918470
Interns were a mistake.

>>78909178
>>78909270

Hal's not doesn't draw off focus or obstinance, which is Guy's source of willpower, but just by being completely fearless.

He isn't capable of considering the repercussions so naturally his own desire is the only voice in his head that matters, he's unburdened by doubt.

That's also why he's generally kind of a shit head and prone to impulsiveness.

>>78918492
John Stewart was a mistake.

>>78918527
>Hal's not doesn't draw off focus or obstinance, which is Guy's source of willpower
Guy is jingoistic racist!!11

>>78918416
obsessive charcterfags like this are the cancer that's killing the industry, and considering most of the single issue buyers are them...

>>78918563
The first part of that used to be true and is something I kinda miss. I mean, I'm pretty left-wing myself, but it's nice to see some non-demonized righties in comics.

>>78918586
Remember when Warbird, excuse me "Ms. Marvel" was a jingoistic right wing conservative with an attractive costume?

yeah neither do I, all new all diverse.

>>78918574
Yeah. I mean, it's good to have favorite character, but sheesh, tone it down and spread your love to many.
>>78918586
Of old Guy stories, I only read JLI and I loved his over the top FUCK YOU COMMIES! AMERICA, YEAH!

>>78918608
some of the best stories Iron Man had were commie busting. I'd kill for a book where he teams up with his old Soviet Armor foes for the good of the world but that'd require him to get someone who actually understands politics, scifi or something like that.

>>78918660
Moment Cold War was over and it wasn't, ha, cool to fight commies, Iron Man's rogue gallery shrank a lot.

>>78918687
Which is really too bad, I love Soviet-style power armor shit.

>>78910941
>Mary Sue editorial baby like Kyle.

Kyle was never a mary sue. One of the biggest character arcs with Kyle was the fact that he always felt inadequate and too inexperienced due to always being compared to Hal who was heralded as the greatest lantern ever, you know, before going evil. Plus Kyle seemingly being chosen to be the last GL at random by Ganthet was another thing he felt shitty for, because he thought it meant he wasn't worthy of the ring.

John's problem is that his gimmick is inherently that he's the black green lantern. Everything else is just stuff they tried to stick into him over the years, and none of it has been that iconic beyond failing to save a planet from exploding, which is great as a moment of failure from which he learns to be better, but not something you can really use to promote as a definite character trait. They've tried to push the marine angle but it's pretty boring when it's his sole driving characteristic.

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>>78918700
Ditto. I was happy to see them appear in Thunderbolts.
And, unless I am mistaken, Infinity: The Heist had some of Iron Man's old villains, right?

>>78918702
I don't think you know what a mary sue is outside of fanfiction. Kyle was a typical shonen manga protagonist, odds were always against him and he was shown to not be good enough, but by the end of it he did it his way and his way was superior. His entire run reads like a shonen manga too where everyone else gets shat on so he can look the bestest.

>>78915819
>>78917658
>>78914983
I thought he was both not combined. Like he was a marine and an architect but just at different points in time.

>>78918738
>His entire run reads like a shonen manga too where everyone else gets shat on so he can look the bestest.

God forbid for the title hero to have his moment to shine. And his run never shits on anyone. IF anything, the entire Kyle run makes is painfully obvious how much he respects and looks up to Hal and how much he appreciates and seeks guidance from the people who came before him, like John Stewart. It's incredibly how much the books genuflects while trying to appease the butthurt Hal fans.

>>78918788
Yeah. He was sniper marine and architect after that.

>>78918789
You're right; but recently Kyle has been, maybe not a Mary Sue, but certainly something near that level. It started with New Guardians, and then when Justin Jordan took over it became really awful. Though it looks like Tom King is fixing that.

>>78918828

Personally I like Messiah Kyle, but I agree that current Kyle is the victim of being a character people like but nobody really knowing what to do with him, especially long term.

>>78918871
Sounds like Jason Todd also, senpai.

>>78918938
Weren't they buddies during Countdown to Infinite Crisis?

>>78908231
#triggered

If you say anything bad about a protected class then you need to leave, right? :^)

>>78908195
Generic space cop Hal Jordan.

>>78918264
The CBR guys loved Lost Army and the Marine flashbacks

There's hitting like your favorite character justifying invading somebody else's homeland!

>>78916734
John= guns and architecture shit
Guy and Hal= broad range of everyday items with the occasional fun things
Kyle= same as Gut and Hal but with occasional nerd stuff

>>78916978
More like

>the movie would have been great and widely beloved and not a flop if only it had starred John instead!

>>78919382
Yep, you nailed it perfectly, senpai.

>>78919382
Brilliant, anon.
Also
>Hal's movie was bad, give next movie to John!
By that logic, we shoud kill off Batman and Dick after Batman & Robin movie and make Red Hood?

>>78919417
That would be a good idea.

>>78919417
It's such a shame that after Batman & Robin and Batman forever the character was ruined forever

>>78908195
ego

>>78919417
we should.

>>78919292
>generic
I never get how people can call Hal generic or boring.

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>>78914601
>>78917085
fuck johns massive boner for older characters.

>>78919535
Major Force and Nero are cool, sure, but Effigy a shit, and none of them are as sweet as Johns/Bunn Sinestro, or Venditti Black Hand.

>>78918358
It's probably a compulsion

>>78918938

I think you mean Tim. Jason has a niche where he's comfortable in now that he's been reformed plus it suits him well. Nobody has any clue what Tim is good for beyond being in Titans.

>>78919526
I think he has a public perception that he's just a generic action hero and the people who call him generic and boring don't care to read anything that would prove otherwise

>>78919417
To be fair Batman has been successful at the box office prior to the disaster that was Batman & Robin compared to Green Lantern who only had the one movie who bombed.

With that said, I'm still Hal all the way for the next attempt at Green Lantern on the big screen although most likely they will go for a Green Lantern Corps film with Hal and John which I'm totally still down for.

>>78919649
Well, I was more referring to the fact they keep sticking Jason with fucking Scott Lobdell who can't into writing anymore.

>>78919663
This or they downplay him because they like Kyle/John better and they don't want Hal to be the main GL

>>78919692

Tbqh, Lobdell's Jason is rather entertaining as a bombastic action lead character.

>>78919782
Red Arse> Outlaws.

>>78919782
I still wanna see someone new take a shot now. Like, if Becky Cloonan's good on Punisher, I wouldn't mind seeing what she could do with Red Hood for example.

Shit, I'm not really good at picking creative teams, I'm just using her as an example here.

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>That time when Stewart goes Indigo and Kills Mogo with a fucking sniper

>>78918938
also Tim/Steph/Wally/Bart
should we give every series to King
can he redeem everybody?
He was like in the cia and shit
he's smarter than anyone writing for the big 2
thats why Omega Men, Grayson, Vision and Sheriff of Babylon like some of the best comics of last year
what's his ceiling /co/?
he might become the goat for my generatin who grew up with the same characters he did

>>78920129
He won't be GOAT with such sales.

>>78920129
If he ever goes full retard and signs an exclusive with Marvel, it's gonna be over for him.

>>78920175
He will, Marvel has silver tongue. Drop him on Winter Soldier and call it a day.

>>78920154
Edgar Allen Poe died of alcohol poisoning and being a homeless drunkard
Dostoyevsky died in exile
being popular doesn't tend to last when history judges

>>78920190
RIP Tom King.

I barely knew ye.

Another one like Charles Soule and Jeff Lemire going down the slow marching death of mediocrity known as modern Marvel when that shit happens.

>>78920194
So, we have to wait for King to die?

>>78919559
i dont read what bunn write,i tried with aquaman and wont try again but then again i dont hate John. he made aquaman and GL popular again and brought new things to the table i love orange and indigo lanterns but i just dont like Hal beside his friendship with Sinestro.hes not boring, more like an asshole and Guy is better a being that.

>>78919930
Give Ennis to write him, and retcon him into a former special forces. Make it like Judd Winnick's run and show Jason's stint in the military after he was brought back from the dead.

Stewartfags are the worst. They are just as bad as Jasonfags. Who the fuck likes a character who never had more than one decent run? Atleast Stewart had a goo time in Mosaic.

>>78920365
Okay, I can dig this, really.

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>>78919559
>Effigy a shit

I extremely disagree with your opinion

>>78920598
You're entitled to that, I just didn't find anything particularly compelling about his powers or origin, and he never had any defining stories like Nero and Force. (I did like his team-up with Killer Frost though, that could have been a good dynamic.)

>>78920646
I like him because he's what Kyle would be if he didn't have someone like Alex to push him in the right direction and because things involving the Controllers gets my dick hard. All of Kyle's villains are just facets of himself except Force maybe.

>>78920682
>things involving the Controllers
Man, I still want to see something with the Darkstars. It's a good idea to have more low-level space cops.

>>78919332
They'll stop loving it.
>That goes right along with everything I've seen and heard. I might skip this one. I'm not interested in seeing John get sidelines for Guy Gardner, nor be a buddy with Guy Gardner. I think it's pretty clear that John is not THE star of this book, but rather it's a book that he's in. I'm kinda' thinking (at least from the perspective of a John Stewart fan) it may be a good idea to get John out of the Corps title, because it's too easy for some writer to bury him under a bazillion characters or focus on someone else. When you read Superman, you know who it is about, and that typically doesn't change. With John Stewart's books, we never really know anymore going into them, and it's always liable to change on us.
Oh, and Tom Taylor said that he's Guyfag, but he also loves many alien Lanterns, Two-Six included.

>>78908195
He had the best romance in animation.

>>78920764
They got spoiled when GLC became John centric, now nothing else will do

I like Guy more so I'm glad EOO will have more of him, god forbid John has to be a co-star

>nor be a buddy with Guy Gardner
Oh yeah, I remember that they don't like it when John and Hal are shown as friends either.

>>78920949
>Oh yeah, I remember that they don't like it when John and Hal are shown as friends either.
Because he's token best black friend.
I'm glad, anyway. More Guy and Two-Six, better. I'd love them to both go Red, but that's only because I'm Redfag.

>>78920979
You know who I want to see? Morro. That guy is damn underappreciated, which is too bad, cause he's hella cool.

>>78909771
But that's bullshit. Kyle was never like that. He was all insane bursts of creativity.

>>78921046
Crypt Keeper, right? Yeah, he has neat design. I'd probably go full scythes, scythes everywhere and ruin everything.

>>78911951
>>78912023
And his greatest weakness would be a cup of hot coffee.

>>78921063
Sort of, but then none of the GL's really had a distinctive style before Rebirth, apart from "Kyle's an artist so all his stuff is super creative." (Also his weebshit, I guess.)

>>78921107
He also has an interesting backstory: He thought his brother had been stolen by one of the dragon creatures that live on his planet, so he went and killed it with his hammer, but realized he was wrong, and adopted its three children. THen he found his brother and they became a duo nomad team, because their nomadic tribe had moved on without them, until his brother died and he got the ring. So yeah, he also has a sweet-ass hammer.

>>78921046
A lot of alien GLs are great. We'll never have any of them back ;_;

>>78921135
I really dislike how "Kyle is the most creative one!" turned into "Kyle is the only creative one!"

>>78921202
I'm still mad about Boodikka

>>78921221
I'm still mad about Kreon

>>78921319
Kreon didn't deserve to die just after having been barely back for 3 issues. He was a cooler alien John.

>>78921570
Plus that gold eyepatch was the tightest shit.

>>78921203
"Tim is the detective Robin!"
"Jason is the fighting Robin!"

>>78919332
That's Tzitzimine-levels of self-denial

>>78919782
No, it's shit. Anytime he shows a hint of character progression, Lobdell regresses him back down to "I was Robin. I died. I had a tough life."

>>78920764
>When you read Superman, you know who it is about, and that typically doesn't change.
>With John Stewart's books, we never really know anymore going into them

These people are fucking delusional. Corps isn't just the adventures of one Lantern. That's why it's called Corps, as in TEAM

>>78921801
>Read book called Superman
>Superman is in it
>Read book called Green Lantern Corps
>The Green Lantern Corps is in it
>FALSE ADVERTISING!

I won't deny that there aren't crazy Halfags or Kylefags but the die-hard John fans always seem a little delusional

Guy fags are pretty chill, maybe because they've accepted that he doesn't need to be the main lantern

>>78921972
>Guy fags are pretty chill, maybe because they've accepted that he doesn't need to be the main lantern
This. Other three have fanbases who bicker with other camps, Guyfags are always in "if he's there, good, if he's not, well what can you do".

>>78921972
Guyfags are just happy that Soule's Red Lanterns run existed

>>78922002
>>78922123
I have to wonder what Guyfags in the 90's thought about Warrior.

>>78922002
With Hal I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in the spotlight all the time, I just worry that they'd fuck him over then write him off like they did the first time they wanted to get rid of him

John fans aren't wrong for worrying either, he got fucked over a lot in the 90s and then there were the rumors he was getting killed in the New 52

Kyle fans are babies, nothing that bad has happened to him

>>78922278
>Kyle fans are babies, nothing that bad has happened to him
How did they react to Kyle/Carol?

>>78922278
>Nothing that bad has happened to him

He was written by Justin Jordan for 3 years.

>>78922336
I've seen most of them dislike it or feel ambivalent at best, a few of them loved it

>>78922354
A lot of them loved his run too, but there were a handful of dissenters

>>78922498
Also naturally the people who loved New Guardians hate Omega Men

>>78922952
It's funny, because on reddit, there are a lot of Kyle fans who really wanted him dead after New Guardians.

>>78920190
Would CIA stay if they made him head writer on Batman?

>>78922354
Bet you like his Luthor Shit comics.