Great get Marvel
>It’s official, Marvelites: Ryan Coogler will step up to direct Marvel’s “Black Panther,” in theaters February 16, 2018!
>Chadwick Boseman will star in “Black Panther” after debuting as the character in the upcoming Marvel’s “Captain America: Civil War,” in theaters May 6.
>“We are fortunate to have such an esteemed filmmaker join the Marvel family,” said producer Kevin Feige. “The talents Ryan showcased in his first two films easily made him our top choice to direct ‘Black Panther.’ Many fans have waited a long time to see Black Panther in his own film, and with Ryan we know we’ve found the perfect director to bring T’Challa’s story to life.”
>Coogler wrote and directed his first award-winning feature film, “Fruitvale Station,” in 2013. Most recently he directed the critically-acclaimed “Creed,” which earned Sylvester Stallone a Golden Globe for Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture.
>Black Panther has been an important character in the Marvel universe for 50 years. He is the king of the technologically-advanced nation of Wakanda, and Panther has served as a member of the Avengers in addition to his many solo adventures.
>Coogler is represented by WME and Cohen Gardner LLP.
I can't be the only one whos a little apprehensive still. Marvel movies have had a few esteemed directors but they all end up with pretty similar Marvel house styles anyway. The closest one felt to being unique was a few scenes in Winter Soldier.
its most likely gonna be the same as ant-man and thor, decent summer blockbusters but pretty derivative towards the brand.
Since they been blackening existing white characters, like Johnny Storm, Nick Fury, and so on, will they cast a honky for Black Panther to even things up? As a black man, that's the only fair, logical conclusion I can come up with for equality.
>Not really, it was a coincidence they were white
how do you know that for sure?
Its an assumption because white is the default. You assume it was talent based at that point. But then, they've been hiring literal whos either way.
Typically speaking, the only way minority writer/directors/etc get a shot is by directing things with minorities in them. Its a cycle. But until the black directors are considered for Iron Man, Cap, or Avengers, its kinda bullshit to complain about one getting hired for Black Panther.
Can Stallone pull off playing Everett Ross?
>Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa / Black Panther.
>Martin Freeman as Everett Ross.
Confirmed cast so far, Andy Serkis will also probably return as Klaw and Ernie Hudson was linked to the role of T'Chaka.
What other characters might be in it?
Only rumours and implied statements. This is official.
I don't get this argument. A truly good director can make great things while constrained. It's a whole thing in other forms of art. It can be done, even if you thing it hasn't been done before.
Coincidence was a poor choice of words. More so like others have said it's a larger talent pool to pick from, but choosing a black director for your one black superhero movie after so many white superhero movies.is kind of shitty.
It's like when people say only black writers should work on the books with black characters.
They'll have to cast T'Chakka, and probably some of those skinny women from the AoU trailers. Maybe another Villain besides Klaw. Maybe Bucky appears as well, if he's related to the Panther assassination like it's been talked about.
Now they can continue to have white men direct their other movies because they got a black guy directing the Black Panther token movie.
I am half kidding, but they made such a big fucking deal about getting a black director for this one as if there was some implication it excused them for hiring one for some other movie.
Plus a buncha the directors they asked just didn't seem like ones that would be interested in a cape franchise. So that was just a waste.
Hell, this almost seems like a waste, but he seems up for doing such a big franchise so good for him.
Sick of seeing this shit in films and comics. If you have a white male character you can still have a black or female for writer or artist or director.
>“The talents Ryan showcased in his first two films easily made him our top choice to direct ‘Black Panther.’
>our top choice to direct Black Panther
Nigga the movie is coming out in four months. They weren't even looking at Coogler until Creed, and you know it.
Now if they really like what he does with BP, they MAY get him for Inhumans, but that's still to be determined.
You do know they never interview these things in order, necessarily. Just because they looked around doesn't mean that they didn't have a favorite that probably wasn't available because he was thinking of doing creed. Also, even though he is the best choice now, he wasn't when they started looking for people, since he hadn't released Creed. Although yeah, he wasn't their first choice, but they didn't need to scrape the barrel or anything, and it's probably the best choice, black OR white to do it.
They have a pretty good run of not terrible movies that are well received critically, despite what 4chan thinks of them. It's also a guaranteed jump up in a career of a young director if they don't fuck it up during or straight after.
I wonder how much it costs for one's pride?
Russos said they made more money on Community than they have directing TWS. Being a TV director for Disney is just being a gloried overseer. You're just making sure milestones get reached at certain dates.
So Feige has managed to replace
Bonus of getting rid of Whedon as well. And people complained...
That's probably before extending the contract to IW.
The movie is in two years, so it'll take one year for that to happen if it does.
Only person missing is the director for Cap Marvel. Wasn't Michelle Maclaren being looked at? Or am I thining of Wonder Woman?
>yfw Carol has her own pet tiger
>yfw when the tiger is actually the best part of the movie and Bendis butchers it by putting it in every comics and missing the point of what makes it cool and spamming memes.
>yfw when the tiger is a Guardian of the Galaxy and wears a banana costume
The movie is only in 2019, they can wait this whole year for someone to make a female Creed.
I wonder what /co/,/tv/ and /pol/'s reaction would be if Marvel actually went full madman and hire Mel Gibson for an Iron Man 4.
If there's something disney is anti-semitism anyway.
Oh shit, I never knew that Kathryn Bigelow directed both the hurt locker and zero dark trinity.
Looks like a bit higher profile than even coogler, so I don't see it happening, but you're right, it would be GOAT.
Reed and Derrickson are the only ones there I'm still not entirely convinced, although reed did do a pretty good job on ant-man.
Why can't Marvel put as much effort into their comics as they do their movies?
She wanted to do sequels to Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, but the studio wasn't interested. The leaks had these kind of pitiful emails she sent to Amy Pascal where she was basically begging to at least have a meeting discussing the possibility of sequels, but Pascal kept dodging her and making excuses to avoid talking to her.
Shame, because she has all the talent her sister doesn't.
I remember that Olivia Wilde and some director both said they would actually like doing Captain Marvel, they were just waiting for Marvel.
Given how hard ATJ lobbied for Quicksilver, I imagine that Wilde can get Carol.
How's that a bad thing? Michael Cera and Jonah Hill for Timon and Pumbaa.
Jesus, I think Olivia Wilde is hot as hell, but she ain't no Carol. 5 years ago I would've loved a Jessica Chastain doing it, but she'll be too old to do a potential trilogy starting in 3 years.
>the rest of us
You had your chance to return to the mother land, and you chose your captors even after you were freed so you don't get dick for space age technology. Maybe you can have my old fleshlight, I'll see if it still works.
Emily Blunt is in the same problem as Jessica Chastain as in she'll be a bit old to make a trilogy if they so choose.
I honestly hope Marvel pulls a Chris [Evans|Hemsworth|Pratt] and picks out someone perfect out of fucking nowhere. Heck, maybe even some Daisy Ridley 2.0 that no-one knows about or has even heard anything about.
Yeah, age is starting to become a problem. It's one of the reasons I'm glad they're actually doing high school Pete, since everyone else in the MCU is going to be pushing 50 if not 40. Save for a few exceptions that is.
Hemsworth is good in the role, but that's only when he's allowed to actually be Thor. Otherwise, he's worthless.
Pratt and Evans are fucking fantastic, though.
Why the fuck would you want that
>TFA drops 65% in China after one day
I don't know whether that's because China doesn't have the kind of nostalgia for Star Wars that America does or whether they just hate black people
Go Holm, Ronda, you're drunk
Don't kid yourself, Rocky is just as formulaic and episodic as capeshit, what matters here is the delivery. Might not be as constricting studio and executive meddling-wise but it was still a legacy character that was on his hands. It's the same premise.
>you're better than
Better than a safe paycheck? He's got what, 2 movies under his belt and now his name is in the spot light, who in their right minds would refuse this in his position.
>calls audience stupid while citing the wrong Shakespearean work
The difference is that Creed was a passion project for Coogler. The Rocky movies had a big impact on his life. Doing an MCU movie is just a check and an something to put on your resume because they cannot fail.
Yeah Peter Parker is being propped up to be the ticket seller after Tony for the Avengers movies, so it'smart that they don't get a 30 y.o.
MCU thor has tons of problems but casting wasn't it. He's just never had a good enough writer or director. Branagh obviously came the closest.
>You mean Macbeth?
Seriously? Really? You tried to fire shit at me and couldn't even get it right. It's HAMLET not Macbeth. Get outta here with your stupid ass.
Welp, 164 comments. It was a fun thread, everyone.
Heh, Sony isn't the authority on anything. Heck, if they knew what they were doing they wouldn't be where they are.
Fine, maybe I don't know enough about Thor, then. He seemed pretty spot on in his naivité and in stuff like the lake scene in AoU. I just don't think he's been directed by someone who gets through his thick skull. He's missing righteousness and willpower for sure, though. He always seems to be pushed around.
>Heh, Sony isn't the authority on anything. Heck, if they knew what they were doing they wouldn't be where they are.
Fair enough, but what they said in those emails were no different than how other distributors play, only difference is Sony was dumb enough to get caught saying that shit while at the same time pissing off a country with nothing but time to hack your shit.
He was decent in Rush, that movie had perfect casting. Also you're acting like Ron Howard is anything but a competent director, I don't get the praise in your post. He's remarkably bland if anything.
Regarding Hemsworth, he's not amazing by any means but he has some presence and comedic timing, he was good in the first Thor movie and could do better. Thing is no single movie in the MCU has had a decent Thor script so he'll never be what you want him to be in the big screen - you know, space viking god hammer wielding conan the barbarian. They can't fucking write him at all.
He has no presence as Thor, there is a reason they have to bring Loki back each time.
The only thing Hemsworth can do is shout his lines to show how strong he is, I've seen better acting from school children.
Sony is now Marvels bitch.
Yet they loved Michael Pena in Ant-Man, the only Hispanic person in the MCU so far. Though I give it to the guy for not only inventing how his character was, he based it on a real person.
I'd like White Tiger to pop up somewhere. Maybe Netflix so Hector Ayala can be an inspiration to the eventual handover to Ava.
Numbers are accurate. Don't know why they list the numbers of movies the way they do.
Anyway here is the update.
I genuinely liked him in the first Thor movie, even if he was overshadowed. Next to Hiddleston, everyone looks like a toddler. But you have to admit that no one in production simply gives a fuck about Thor enough to put some fucking effort in it.
I mean, RDJ isn't the most compelling actor around and he barely breaks a sweat doing his MCU Tony persona, but thanks to him no one noticed how crap the last two iron man movies were. Evans is a naturally quiet guy and he can't bring to the screen the commanding presence that Cap's supposed to have, but his movies have a good support cast with strong enough scripts and directors that we don't seems to mind. The Thor movies get no love in any department.
Why bother when there's Hudlin's run?
Even then, how would Fox be ahead of WB? After inflation, the 1978 Superman movie alone likely made more than any two Fox CBM's put together. Then there's two Batman movies that made over a billion dollars.
>Evans is a naturally quiet guy and he can't bring to the screen the commanding presence that Cap's supposed to have
He also makes up for it with his charisma. He'll say something and you'll just want to rally behind him because he's Cap.
We may get Commando Cap in CW, but probably not. Evans may surprise us.
I'm glad someone actually said that RDJ is fantastic as Tony, though. A lot of the posts around here are focused on how the MCU is focused around him, but not actually noting that he's nailing it.
I'm pissed they didn't go through with Demon in a Bottle
That's not even T'Challa? What the fuck.
And I was kind of shitposting.
How the hell was T'Challa even able to go toe to toe with Cap?
Does being Black Panther give you super strength?
It's his dad. How would T'Challa be around with WW2 era Cap?
Ehhh it wasn't an exact praise in the way you put it. I mean I saw Chaplin, the guy can act if required - he just doesn't have to in the MCU. He's found his nice and it fits him so well that it's barely work to him now and it overshadows everything else in production. I don't think he's the "perfect" Tony - like you said Demon in a Bottle needed to be adapted and they exaggerate with the Stark-centric stuff and quips - but it can't be denied that he's one of the biggest reasons for the general success of the brand. For all intents and purposes, he'll be the definitive take on the character now forever.
I mean it could be worse. We could've been stuck with Tom Cruise.
Watch 'Boy' by Waitit. It's a beautiful little movie. He really nails optimistic naivité and childish rage in that. Also a couple Hulk references. Waititi is the fucking man.
Those were problems with the committee, but yeah, terrible losses for sure.
See, this is why having DC trying to step up their game as a competition works. It's probably too late in the for DC to have any meaningful impact in pop culture with their movies (justice league is inevitably going to be compared with the Avengers as a concept, which sucks for them), but both companies will keep eachother on check which will result in good shit from both sides, hopefully.
That's kind of interesting. And the Black Panther is kind of like the protector of Wakanda, right? I'm assuming it's like Iron Fist where multiple people take the mantle and inherit the powers/responsibility.
You're telling me Wakanda is technologically advanced as fuck, but also has ancient cat god magic?
And doesn't the Black Panther also being the king a little too much? I imagine he'd be out of country a lot.
And while the concept of a magical protector is interesting, it's kind of stale too because you need to stay in Wakanda.
It was a good comedy, nothing else. Say what you will about Brannagh, but at least he got close in tone with the first try. They'll never get it right. And Cate's too old for Enchantress, are they going to have her just play a basterdized version of Galadriel? On top of it all, there's still Hulk in the mix for some fucking reason. Yay. Hype.
>marvel goes out of their way to get a black director for a black movie
>white people still don't understand why that's still racist
It's a diversity hire and a long drawn out and forced one at that. It's like Marvel wanted to say "hey I got a black friend!" You think black people want to be given jobs just because they're black? No. They'll still take the job (some actually might not on principle) but they know the main reason why.
>And the Black Panther is kind of like the protector of Wakanda, right? I'm assuming it's like Iron Fist where multiple people take the mantle and inherit the powers/responsibility.
Yeah, it's exactly like Iron Fist actually. It's a ritualized title that you're either meant for or you're not, so the lineage isn't exactly linear. Might go cousin to cousin instead of father to son.
>You're telling me Wakanda is technologically advanced as fuck, but also has ancient cat god magic?
>And doesn't the Black Panther also being the king a little too much? I imagine he'd be out of country a lot.
Wakanda was mostly isolationist, they didn't really fuck with other countries besides maybe sending aide to a neighboring one and the odd absorption of other tribes into theirs. They might send out an odd ambassador or two to protect their interests, but no Panthers really traveled when they became Panthers until T'Challa. And that was mostly because with the dawn of the heroic age people like the Avengers needed to be kept tabs on.
>And while the concept of a magical protector is interesting, it's kind of stale too because you need to stay in Wakanda.
BP's been retconned too many times to know what direction they're going with the movie, but Wakanda itself is interesting enough for an entire movie to be set there easily.
If you're Coogler, you take this gig because if you nail it, your next movie gets to be basically anything you want it to be. Do another Fruitvale sized movie, go do another blockbuster IP or possibly even start your own, go do Creed 2, whatever. And that has to be damn enticing.
>but if we put a white man to direct a movie a bout a white man we're racists
But they've done this 12 times, I don't know what the point here is.
I was talking about quality, actually. Fuck your fucking box office, I'm not getting a cut of that cash anyway, so until I become a Disney executive and they start cutting me some checks from their super hero movies quite frankly I don't care about how much those greedy motherfuckers make off Marvel and Star Wars.
>Might go cousin to cousin instead of father to son.
Oh, that's cool.
> but Wakanda itself is interesting enough for an entire movie to be set there easily.
Is it really? Maybe I just haven't seen the right pictures, but it always looks so boring, visually at least.
>And that was mostly because with the dawn of the heroic age people like the Avengers needed to be kept tabs on.
Then what the fuck happens in Black Panther comics? Is it just politics and black family drama?
And Fiege said that the movie was going to be geo-political action adventure that ties directly into Infinity War.
As far as the BP movie goes, there's at least two options for connecting it to IW.
a) Its about using wakanda technology to take the avengers into space
b)the soul gem is in wakanda (hence the soul-ish powers of BP's line) and indirectly bringing all the other gems closer towards it.
>Then what the fuck happens in Black Panther comics? Is it just politics and black family drama?
That's actually literally what most of Priest's run, the most celebrated BP run, consists of.
>And Fiege said that the movie was going to be geo-political action adventure that ties directly into Infinity War.
I just hope it doesn't end up essentially being a commercial for Infinity War, but Marvel Studios isn't known for giving directors too much creative freedom.
well at least he isnt going to be preachy about black rights right?
thats something that worried me about the 1st choice
also why did HE have to be black, that's kinda fucking retarded it should be talent not skin
>DC hires Asian director for Aquaman
>Marvel has to go after exclusively black directors for their flagship African superhero
Coogler's a good director and all but something's fishy going on at Marvel.
they're just trying to win brownie points, DC isnt tho DC still has yet to show me what they can do after the DISASTER of Man of Steel
>also why did HE have to be black, that's kinda fucking retarded it should be talent not skin
Well then i guess it's good that Coogler is a very talented director then ain't it. Seems like You're the one going nuts about "skin color" , anon
nice projecting there anon, never even said his skin was a problem, i said the problem was they EXCLUSIVELY were looking for black directors and that there 1st choice just smelled of sjw race issues
tumblr pls, we aint dissing his skin we're dissing that they only wanted black people im happy they got a good choice im not happy that marvel's checklist had "make sure he's black" on it
Seriously you'd think people would be discussing how potentially cool the fight scenes will be based on how well shot /choreographed they were for Creed. Instead you have faggots constantly bringing up race and one even mentioning affirmative action because "reasons".
Asspained little faggots the lot of you .
yeah i'm sorry that i'm not happy with Marvel's practice of hiring skin color over talent
the choice is good sure, but do you really think Marvel didn't try to pull that off
Why is it a 'black drama'? It's just a story with black people in it, my nigga.
For the record I don't like Priest's BP that much, but there's not much better.
So what's your argument? It's racist because it's cognizant of race? Because last I checked there's a bit more to bigotry than that.
>So what's your argument? It's racist because it's cognizant of race? Because last I checked there's a bit more to bigotry than that.
what, it's not racist it's just cowardly and stupid that instead of going through a list of directors they went through a list of only BLACK directors
it's not something i want in my capeshit, I want talent over skin
>So what's your argument? It's racist because it's cognizant of race?
Assuming that a director would be a better fit for a character purely based on their skin color (BP is African royalty, and has nothing in common with African-Americans) is objectively racist.
Well, I don't know if it's a black drama, I haven't read it.
It's just a lot of times black creators get so far up their ass in the fact that they're black that the only create things with black people about black people.
I'm not sure how to explain it exactly, just look at Tyler Perry and Spike Lee. Or any movie starring black people from the early 2000's.
>what, it's not racist it's just cowardly and stupid that instead of going through a list of directors they went through a list of only BLACK directors
I'm still not seeing the functional problem with limiting the scope of talent. I think you're confusing the message being sent as 'only a black person could do this' with 'we're going to make an effort to have a black person do this'. What WOULD be a problem to me is if this is the only movie in the MCU with a black director.
Also knowing what I know about black people and the way black people are viewed globally (looking at you East Asia) it's very important that blacks in America don't actively boycott this movie because it's not going to make much internationally.
>I want talent over skin
That's understandable, but that's not the world we live in, and sadly never has been. Literally never.
>Assuming that a director would be a better fit for a character purely based on their skin color (BP is African royalty, and has nothing in common with African-Americans) is objectively racist.
That's some SJW-tier flexibility in the definition of racism.
Again, being cognizant of race isn't racism. Racial blindness is no one's ideal.
Also Wakanda is a fictional country with a fictional culture, black isn't a fictional race. So it stands to reason there's more importance of perspective on that which actually has real world ramifications.
>Ryan Coogler: Yeah, I think it’s important. Perspective is so important in art. It’s an important thing. That’s not to say that you can’t work outside yourself. When I was coming up, I made movies about things that were close to me; I made movies about things that weren’t close to me. But I definitely think that it helps when you are close to a subject. Like, I was an athlete for most of my life before I was a filmmaker. And that helped to inform me when writing this script, when directing. Having had those types of experiences helped me inform this process.
You're better off just leaving /co/
Hell yes, this just became one of my most anticipated MCU movies. Coogler is a rising star -- young, smart, ambitious, talented -- he's got a lot to prove, and now he's got a Marvel budget as well as a super fucking talented lead, a super talented writer on the script, and Coogler's a good co-writer himself in addition to being a damn fine director. This has the potential to be amazing.
Also, lmao at ya'll who think Hollywood is even close to an actual meritocracy. Dream on. Marvel looking specifically for black directors would be racist if all hiring was on an equal opportunity basis, but the industry is so fucked in that regard that it launched a federal investigation for discriminatory hiring practices. In 2015. Folks talk about "liberal media" but it's actually one of the most regressive industries in existence. Coogler is too good for you, but despite everything you got him on your side. You're welcome.
>it launched a federal investigation for discriminatory hiring practices
Which is entirely for show. Absolutely nothing will come of it; anyone with enough clout can get an EEOC investigation launched. You'll notice no court cases have been filed and the whole investigation has largely just been female directors going to interviews with the EEOC and complaining that the studios are ignoring the investigation and refusing to comment even though no one in their right mind is going to comment on an investigation they are the subject of.
I'm saying this because you seem to think it's impressive that a federal investigation was launched.
>Which is entirely for show. Absolutely nothing will come of it
Agreed, which is why it's so dismal. The endemic disease has been brought to light and little will come of it. I work in science/bio industry, which is seen as way less liberal, yet we have way more parity than the entertainment studio systems.
There's a current fed investigation on how BAD the Hollywood system is, yet it will be ignored by the system, and it will be ignored by the fans, who seem to think everyone who deserves it will get the same shot at being hired onto a major project (NOPE).
Not the anon you were talking to but two wrongs do not make a right. I say this as a man of color, this doesn't and shouldn't change anything to the point I am trying to make, however.
>I work in science/bio industry, which is seen as way less liberal, yet we have way more parity than the entertainment studio systems.
STEM industries prioritize actual skill and ability, the entertainment industry doesn't. That's what people never consider: there are other factors at work, like foreign funding and audiences and the choices directors make. If you read that NYT piece or any of the accompanying Variety/THR pieces about Women in Hollywood, a whole bunch of female directors just refused to even think about doing fantasy/sci-fi genre fare or action movies because they consider it beneath them. They want the studios to give them Oscar-level dramas and romances only. Studios want to make money, and the genre stuff and action movies do well globally compared to dramas.
And when you're marketing a big movie overseas, your talent really doesn't matter. No one is going to claim Daniel Day-Lewis brings in huge audiences even though he's probably the best actor in the world right now. Intangible factors like global awareness and popularity are more important than skill for both actors and directors when it comes to deciding who should front and star in a film. Intangible factors don't matter much in science industries. Why would they?
Again, you seem to think it's impressive a federal investigation was launched. It would be impressive if anyone actually got dragged to court over it, but no one will. At best they'll release some findings which some blogs will interpret as a "stinging rebuke", and then two months later everyone will forget about it. It's little more than a pressure tactic.
>He's a fantastic director especially for his age, so why is he being limited to BP? Why not Thor 3, r Cap 3, or even the Inhumans?
Sheeeeeet, if I were given the choice between all of those, I would choose to direct The Black Panther.
Regardless, I say good for him. Now, we have the director. Can we give him a script which isn't some god awful live-action version of The Lion King story?