>>78898065 >>78898032 The guy's name is Ammon. That's literally it. It's a biblically-derived place name (its capital city is now the site of the capital of Jordan, Amman), but it's not a food.
Manna (spelled mana in older texts) is the substance god sent the Israelites in the desert to sustain them during their exile, according to biblical texts.
The pun on his name makes sense, but it's confused by the mondegreen of "ammon" for "manna", if that's what that's supposed to be. Unless there's something clever going on with transliteration from Hebrew here, it's kind of a shitty over-reach of a joke, if Kelly is even making that joke.
I suspect he's just making the "ammunition"/"ammon" pun and the well documented lack of supplies or planning on the part of the militia is being poked for laughs; the lack of food is played on by the speech bubbles, not the headline. Then again, maybe it's pointing out that Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, but this biblically-named man and his oath-swearing (on bibles, see) posse has wrapped himself in the constitution of a nation whose laws he very definitely doesn't agree with, which is pretty ironic.
At the end of the day though it's an Onion cartoon about some people who are probably all idiots from the ground up, seeing as all the smart ones already turned themselves in when they figured out they had no food or heat or power.
some guy started a fire in his private property to control a forest fire, it spread to federal land, they had to pay a fine and got off the hook but the government wants to send them to jail anyway and force them to sell their land which they get dibs to buy.
>>78898930 >they had to pay a fine and got off the hook but the government wants to send them to jail anyway and force them to sell their land which they get dibs to buy. There was a minimum sentence that they have to serve and are willing to serve. The guys who started the fire want no part in the Bundy bullshit
>>78899253 The entire issue started because the ranchers in question already served their sentences then the federal government went back and said that the original sentences and they'd have to serve additional jail time. That in general probably wouldn't have gotten as much attention as it has, however the ranchers are being charged under anti-terrorism laws rather than arson or negligence laws and people with pre-existing grievances with the government are latching on.
how is it terrorism? who are they terrorizing? who have they violented? so far they're just flashing a bunch of people even more heavily armed than them with their safe queens and daring them to go full Waco on their own damn property for a change.
>>78899614 Much like the original Bundy Ranch standoff, there is a big question of whether or not this is the hill to die on. That being said, all the standoff amounts to is 30 guys squatting in what was an unoccupied building on uninhabited piece of land in the middle of nowhere so it's very much nothing but hyperbole.
Obama should have commuted the rancher's sentences. That way he'd have come out looking reasonable and defusing the thing from the get go.
>>78899390 Yeah, mostly. They really don't have a say in it at all and were looking for an excuse to point guns at police. It's literally just a bunch of gun-nut retards looking to start shit for the hell of it. The people they're supposed to represent in this stand-off want no part of it at all.
>>78899779 >an unoccupied building on uninhabited piece of land in the middle of nowhere
It's called the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Headquarters building that's also an office, people actually work there and are now waiting to get their office back from a bunch of dudes that have most likely vandalized the place and stole some computers.
>>78899949 >Do people want more people killed by the police or less? When the peaceful protests that happened last year, the national guard was called in armed to the teeth. 30+ armed Militia men with guns took over a federal building and are holed up in it and threatening the police there they'll shoot if they try anything. It's the hypocrisy that's laughable here, but it's not a funny laugh though.
>>78900100 If these guys were in a city the reaction would be drastically different, but they're out in the middle of nowhere and have none to hurt but themselves. The reason nobody is going to raid them is because it's easier to just let them starve out until they surrender
>>78900182 I like being reasonable, but what the Bundy Militia are doing is unreasonable as hell, disrupting to regular folks and a detriment to actual people that want more say in government proceedings. They are jokes, that didn't even come prepared for an armed standoff they instigated.
>>78900112 All they've done is basically a sit-in in the middle of nowhere. Hell, they're not even holed up in the building and are free to come and go by authorities; the Bundys left to go to church yesterday morning and came back after the service.
Disrupting to a small number of people only. And so far, they've been completely nonviolent despite being armed.
Sometimes you've got to flip some tables to raise attention and get your point across. Unfortunately, in today's political climate, people are more concerned with the militamen being white and less concerned with the federal government being corrupt.
A successful protest IS one that disrupts everyday life. That's why you have sit-ins.
>>78900141 They also served their time and were released, but the Attorney General's office says the judge fucked up and should have sentenced them to five years minimum. And somehow, that means the guys have to go back to prison. I haven't heard any explanation as to how that makes any fucking sense.
>>78900367 You vote for elected officials to represent you. Why do you think the phrase "power to the people" even exists? I'm so sick of hearing this 'the government is corrupt, voting doesn't matter!' bullshit. If you have a shit government, it's because you have shit people voting. You want proof of that? Republicans.
>>78900311 Ya know, if you actually vote instead of sitting on your ass and complaining, you might be able to do something. But if you just sit there and do nothing and not let your voice be heard at the polls, then you really have nothing to complain about.
>>78900336 He wasn't convicted twice, the judge gave him less then the minimum sentence, when the federal court found out they made them do the minimum sentence. And unrelated militia decided this was enough of a reason to try and seize government land even though the locals want them to leave and think they are an annoying pain in the ass.
>>78899949 Liberals want to jump on this shit to damage control muslims and blacks making themselves look like shit Seriously, they would call the fucking black riots "peaceful protests" and turn a blind eye to the fucking "refugee" bullshit but call this shit terrorism just to scream how white people are bad
>>78900521 Haven't you heard anon, apparently it was all a hoax/false flag operation and the kids never really existed. No but seriously, a bunch of preschoolers are dead and nothing happened, a theatre was shot up a few years ago and still nothing happened. Hell, some of us were wondering why TFA didn't have a massacre on opening night. Gun politics are a joke in this country and I want off this ride.
>>78899174 Think about it as burning a section of forest in a strait line to create a "wall" around your property...fire can't burn what's already burnt. so it stops the fire from spreading.
Think cutting a bit of infected flesh to stop an infected wound from spreading.
For example In California, it's recommended to not have trees within 21 feet of your roof...it's not guaranteed if it's super windy, but it's supposed to save your home from a burning tree embers floating on the wind to land on your roof and burn your home down.
>>78900475 No, you have a shitty corrupt government. How many people have you voted into the GSA? The Small Business Administration? Department of Agriculture? All of the bureaucracies in the country are appointed positions. Nobody votes for them. And they are corrupt as shit. The SBA is under investigation for funneling money meant for the development of small business to multi-billion international corporations. The country is corrupt as shit.
>>78900107 When white people get fucked over, the discussion usually becomes about police militarization rather than race, and there are less people that dislike police as a concept than people that just don't want them to be racist so the discussion ends up being a lot quieter.
>>78900459 Manly laws have a minimum required punishment or sentencing if you break them. These guys broke a law that had a minimum 5 years jail sentence attached to it. The judge sentenced them to under 5 years their by giving them less then the minimum required sentence. Once it was realized by higher authorities they corrected the unlawful sentencing.
>>78900459 The original sentence violated the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, the Feds appealed, the Appeals court agreed, the Supreme Court declined to hear the case, and the ranchers were ordered to return to prison to serve out the minimum sentence with time served credited to them.
>>78900420 >>78900480 The NRA is actually one of the oldest civil rights groups in the USA and was involved in the Civil Rights Movement and the armed self-defense of African-Americans.
>>78900497 Except there's no one that shares my views in the polls. So the best I can do is vote for the least shitty person, not the person I want. That doesn't change anything, its still electing a shitty person.
I bet you're one of those people that bought into the hype when Obama was first nominated for president.
>>78900786 >The original sentence violated the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, the Feds appealed, the Appeals court agreed, the Supreme Court declined to hear the case, and the ranchers were ordered to return to prison to serve out the minimum sentence with time served credited to them. Huh. Okay. that makes more sense. I knew about minimum sentencing standards, but I was confused as to why the ranchers seemed to be punished when it was the judge's fuckup.
>>78900786 >NRA is actually one of the oldest civil rights groups And so was Fred Phelps. Just because they might have been in the past, doesn't mean shit now. Over the years organizations change when money and politics become involved.
>>78900873 It's still pretty bullshit considering that over two years have passed since they were originally released from prison and they, at worst, committed arson and poaching but were sentenced under terrorism laws.
>>78900786 This. While I'm not a fan of the NRA because they are fudds and don't fight for tactical rifles, they aided the underground railroad and gave guns to escaped slaves for self defense as many New Yorkers were simply rounding up escaped slaves and sending them back south for reward money.
Michael Moore is such a cunt for doing that animation that slightly looks like South Park's to imply south Park made it and implied that the NRA was part of the KKK.
Is there a word for that kind of political misleading where you do something that apes some one style to make it look like they agree with your views but all they did was shake your hand and take a picture with you at a public event?
When Michael Moore talked with Tray Parker at that restaurant it wasn't a set up interview, MM just showed up while he was eating and struck up the conversation about columbine while a camera crew was across the street taking video in secret.
>>78901104 >>Is there a word for that kind of political misleading where you do something that apes some one style to make it look like they agree with your views but all they did was shake your hand and take a picture with you at a public event? Blatant lying. Slander.
>>78900902 They're still a civil rights group; they're actually more of a civil rights group now than there were during their first sixty years of existence. Firearms ownership is a civil right in America. Using the Southern Poverty Law Center's definition, Everytown for Gun Safety, Moms Demand Action, and the Brady Campaign are all hate groups.
>>78900971 >at worst, committed arson You say that like it isn't bad. Let me tell you why arson sucks, it burns everything and usually firefighters have to deal with that shit. And as a person that has several loved ones that deal with this, if some asshole is setting fire to these places and not caring what the weather conditions are for that week/month and the dryness in the area, then they deserve to have the book thrown at them for setting unscheduled fires that others have to deal with, and the dangers they pose.
>>78901144 >The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.
>>78901237 I know about Mr. Williams and happen to agree with him, but Reagan had help from the NRA to draft similar legislation to the Mulford Act across the country. They've changed their tune when it comes to who is armed and where
That's normal custodial procedure - there are sentencing minimums but judges can override those and give more lenient sentences, the prosecution is then free to appeal the sentence and get longer if they can convince the higher courts that its appropriate, at which point the criminal will be resentenced by the lower court, usually to the longer minimum.
In this case the original sentence happened to be less than the time it took for the prosecution's appeal to complete and the pair to be resentenced.
It's not unusual and is how the system is supposed to work.
>>78898032 Okay so there are these guys in Oregon right? They own a bunch of farmland and there was this invasive species of plant that was a danger to their crops and also the area had regular wild fires so they figured they would kill two birds with one stone and burn the plants in the process also creating a fire barrier that would prevent wildfires from setting their fields on fire. Well the local government charged them with arson, for starting a fire on their own property. The judge sentenced them to two years in prison, they served that sentence but afterwards the judge decided that it wasn't a great enough sentence and then sentenced them again to more years in complete violation of double jeopardy laws so in protest to this the two men along with people that support them took up residence in the local wildlife office and are refusing to leave until they get a pardon.
>>78900268 Do you live under the delusion that everything the government does is the will of the people? after several years they just passed SOPA because it was part of a bill that nobody could read. We have bills that get passed that we cannot know the details of until they pass because of nebulous reasons. Obama right now is trying to enforce a executive order to expand gun control specifically because he knows that if he tried any other way the people would not support it.
Just because we have a representative democracy does not mean that corruption and tyranny do not exist.
>>78901616 >An orderly and dignified society is infinitely preferable to one that tolerates pandering to the individualistic fantasies and butthurt delusions of persecution. Remove two more, and now it's not hate speech anymore. It's almost like subtracting words changes the context and meaning of the sentence.
>>78901616 When I wrote "white nigger hicks", I fully intended it as hate speech. Just using "niggers" would've also been hate speech, appropriate if I was complaining about black hooligans. Though I lack any sincerity and conviction in the actual sentiment of hate, I want to make my affectation of hatred perfectly clear, with all the odious slurs of loathing at my disposal.
>>78900902 >Just because they might have been in the past, doesn't mean shit now Well "now" this guy is the spokeman for the NRA https://www.youtube.com/user/MrColionNoir Need some help getting that egg off your face?
>>78902165 The 'gun show loophole' barely accounts for any guns used in crime. We're talking double figures at the very most. Most criminals get their guns from other criminals. The 'gun show loophole' is just one guy selling another guy a gun. Most dealers at gun shows use background checks anyway. It's a complete non-issue thats blown up rather than tackling the real causes behind gun crime in the US: ethnic and drug based gang warfare.
It wouldn't even have prevented mass shootings as people just steal guns off people, legally buy guns or pay someone who's legally allowed to buy guns to buy them for them (in the case of Columbine). And here in the UK all of our gun law and bans didn't prevent mass killings (7/7 bombings) or even mass shootings (Cumbria Shootings).
I'm British and I know this nonsense. If you're American you have no excuse.
>>78902140 >that mean they think the government should give the land to the 300 surviving Amerindians who used to live there? Nope, Manifest Destiny bitch, redskins(or anyone not of Anglo-Saxon descent) not allowed.
>>78902126 >The mayor’s comments at a City Hall news conference came about seven hours after hundreds of police officers moved in to clear the park, after warning that the nearly two-month-old camp would be “cleared and restored” >two-month-old camp >two-month Again, nigga you hilarious.
>>78902404 Yes you can, there is precedent for it. It isn't double jeopardy but it is technically a violation of post-conviction procedures which dictate that resentencing must occur within 2 weeks of the original. But none of that really matters because 1. The Hammonds were turning themselves in and 2. They confessed which means they can't appeal.
>>78901598 They started the fire to cover up evidence of them poaching. Minimum sentence for that crime was 5 years, judge decided nah all they need is two in violation of the minimum 5 year sentence. They have to finish the rest of the minimum sentence. Its not double jeopardy. Double Jeopardy means you can't be put on trial for the same crime twice. What you are trying to say is that if you escape prison you shouldn't have to go back because you already got out.
>>78902295 >The 'gun show loophole' barely accounts for any guns used in crime.
My criminal scum uncle who has been incarcerated and released was able to buy guns from a supposedly reputable gun store. Believe me it fucking exists, hell, he was caught selling them to an undercover officer for 3000 bucks each and is now facing at least ten years in prison for each gun sold. But please, Britbong, tell me how it is in America. Because where I'm from, this shit isn't an outlier and is now a common occurrence, because it's easy money, so long as you're not caught. Then again I'm from the South and it's a fucking hellhole on good days.
>>78902527 >to cover up evidence of them poaching >implying you can poach on your own property > What you are trying to say is that if you escape prison you shouldn't have to go back because you already got out. They didn't escape though they were released after serving their sentence. >>78902553 >Apparently you can because it's totally a thing that happens Plenty of things happen that are not legal anon.
>>78902676 >The gun show "loophole" totally exists you guis! trust me my uncle works at nintendo. Gun shows are just a bunch of FFL holders selling their surplus firearms in a single location you still have to undergo the FBI background check required of all retail firearm sales in the country. I swear you nogunz seem to think gun shows are the black market or something.
>>78902696 They were poaching on the government land, set the fire then called to ask permission to start the fire. Also if you read the court documents, this last fire was the 4th time in 7 years that they caught government land on fire.
>>78902777 Of course they do. They've never been to a gunshow because there are guns there. Everyone knows that shootings only happen in places with lots of guns! That's why gunshows are bloodbaths every single time they open, and that's why gun-free schools have never once experienced a shooting.
>>78902777 Son, I have guns that I legally purchased as well as some being passed down as family heirlooms. My uncle, was somehow able to purchase them as easy as I was, and was selling them to people he didn't know for quick and easy profit. It's people like my uncle and other criminal pieces of shit that's giving my passion a bad name, and if there's legislation being passed to stop people like him, I'm all for it. But hey, keep pretending that it doesn't happen, I'm sure when the next Walgreens robbery or another place of business gets robbed and someone dies, then we'll do something about it. Surely.
>>78902947 >My uncle, was somehow able to purchase them as easy as I was, and was selling them to people he didn't know for quick and easy profit What does this story prove? Was your uncle a felon when he purchased these weapons? If he was, that's a problem. Otherwise, he had a clean record and resold guns for profit to shady characters. There isn't any possible law that will address that. Background checks don't magically uncover un-convicted criminal activity.
>>78902884 >Goes to gun show and conducts a private transaction with someone that is not a registered seller >Buys the gun out of some guys truck >Complains that no background check took place >Blames the gun shows I know this may blow your mind anon but you can buy a gun through a private seller with no paper trail even when you aren't at a gun show. That isn't a "gun show loophole" that's a private sale. That's like saying that if I sold my car to someone just outside of a dealership that the dealership is somehow responsible for me not getting the guys info.
>>78902947 >My uncle, was somehow able to purchase them as easy as I was, and was selling them to people he didn't know for quick and easy profit. The fuck does that have to do with gun shows genuis? FFL's are required to perform background checks and the people that you see selling at gun shows are FFL holders. If someone at a gun show tells another person that they will sell a gun to them out of their truck in the parking lot that isn't anything different from what happens everywhere else every day. >But hey, keep pretending that it doesn't happen, I'm sure when the next Walgreens robbery or another place of business gets robbed and someone dies, then we'll do something about it. Surely. Choke on your chaw and die you fudd faggot!
>>78903101 >I mean, you are responsible for telling the government that you sold your car No I'm not I've sold six vehicles in the last 10 years and all I've ever done is sign over the title but legally I don't even have to have the title to sell it. Granted you should never buy a vehicle without a title since you can't license it without one but technically it is not legally required for buying/selling.
>>78903322 >And how would more laws prevent that exactly? Gun shows and Gun stores need to be better at screening out the criminals better than what they're doing. Because it isn't enough at all. Too many guns are getting into the hands that they don't need to be in.
>>78903421 The 'gunshow loophole' is a fucking myth that retards who have no idea how criminals get guns parrot. And gun store are required by federal law to run a NICS check on every gun sold. The only thing more gun regulation will do is keep guns away fro actually law abiding citizens while at the same time doing nothing about actual crime.
>>78903421 >Gun shows and Gun stores need to be better at screening out the criminals better than what they're doing. How? They every gun store and gun show already requires a mandatory FBI background check what else do you expect them to do? It's not like criminals come into stores wearing buttons that say "I'm a criminal" in fact most criminals don't even buy guns from gun stores they either buy them on the black market or steal them from other people.
It's easy to say "something needs to be done" when you don't actually bother trying to think of something and no I will not accept something that violates the rights of law abiding people.
>>78900693 Those burus and administrations you speak of are like businesses. If you voted for each and every individual worker then you'd be voting 24/7.
And where are you getting this corrupt number from? Your ass? People in the utmost top spot may be appointed, but they either come from another department or have very similar experience in the private sector. They then have tons of people looking over their moves from both sides of the isle waiting to fuck them over should the people get tired of them (see the NSA general as an example). And the majority under them are average joes who worked their way up through the department.
I'm going to assume that for your complaints you're not one of those idiots who thinks voting for president and congress is the only time you have input in the country.
I'll come out and say it: the government should tear these fucks apart.
They always talk about what the founding fathers would do, then shit like this happens and they twiddle their thumbs. You know what Washtington did when a bunch of armed rednecks tried to undermine his authority? He rode out there on horseback himself and squashed the Whiskey Rebellion.
>>78903754 >And where are you getting this corrupt number from? Your ass? Senate sub-committee investigations into the SBA, and the bills they passed to try and prevent fraud - https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1481
And the FBI investigating the GSA - https://www.fbi.gov/sandiego/press-releases/2015/gsa-official-admits-accepting-bribes-and-stealing-government-property
That far enough away from my ass for you? I can give you a fuckload more. These are systemic problems that have been going on for years.
Hell, my own company was fucked hard by the SBA years ago. We've been engaged in legal battles for a long time, and have compiled all of their "public" documents (that nobody will fucking give you without damn near invoking Freedom of Information) that proves that barely 10% of the yearly budget goes to actual business development. Instead, it's funneled directly to companies like Microsoft, HP, Cisco, etc. who then control 100% of a given "mentor" contract and, thus, 100% of the profits.
>>78904614 I think their point is to call them on their assumed hypocrisy since they cite the Forefathers but if this were then the Forefathers would've taken their asses down by now. Though it's pretty obvious that they see themselves as the forefathers and America as the British or whatever.
All these people do is try to have armed standoffs with the government, they've been trying to get people to shoot at them for decades. This is a discussion for draconian anti-terrorism laws, not ranchers trying to abolish public land.
The ranch has a lot of natural resources it's sitting on that the government could probably make a nice penny off of to allow uranium mining and the like. The main person involved in suggesting them for re-sentencing is kind of a scumbag too.
>>78900459 Yeah, they're charging them on a bullshit law that's intended for use with terrorists. The fact is the government wants the land and has been involved in a long, long war using various underhanded means to get the Hammonds (and other ranchers) off their land.
>>78909162 Assay is so sure of the rightness of his views that this picture, despite the criticism that the two dads look an equal if not more loving family, expects you to see the two dads and immediately recognize the rightness of the hetero family over this. He is not a very good political cartoonist.
>>78910240 Not really, if a group of black ranchers (who exist but are rather scattered and few) protested with guns and acted EXACTLY the same way the current people are acting it would probably turn out even better becasue if the race card.
I stress exactly becasue a group of blacks, armed or not, tend to throw things and start shit, and I'm saying this as a black dude.
>>78906794 It isn't really though The guys in Oregon haven't attacked or threatened anyone they have guns sure but they are not pointing them at the cops. They haven't set any fires they haven't smashed any windows, they haven't turned over any cars or blocked any highways. There is far more difference than just race.
>>78908546 >ATF >Able to find their own assholes with two hands and a flashlight And even if they did they would just seal them up because turds are big,black,scary and the ones coming from their fat bureaucratic asses would violate the arbitrary length restrictions. The only government more useless than the ATF is the FCC.
>>78908546 >The ATF is omnipotent and can instinctively tell if a gun is being sold without uncle sam getting his cut. You realize most guns in america are not registered in the first place right? How exactly is the ATF to know if I sell a gun they didn't even know I had?
>>78908879 They are a great example of the power of the second ammendment regardless of whether you agree with them. The occupy wallstreet people and black lives matter people do all sorts of crazy shit to get people to listen to their demands and never get anywhere meanwhile when bundy rallied a bunch of people with guns together they got their demands without firing a single shot.
>>78910629 >>78910697 >>78910723 >>78910866 >every fucking Assay thread until the end of time http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/13/confirmed-conservatives-understand-liberal-positions-better-than-liberals-understand-conservative-positions/
>>78913483 >Whereas progressives think that rights are given by the government, conservatives think that “we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.” Who the fuck is this clown and why does he feel the need to speak for other conservatives in such a retarded way?
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