>DKIII already bleeding out despite a billion variant covers
>Guardians of Infinity at #6
>Harley Quinn variants giving the "A-list" books huge sales boosts, while the others (like Action Comics and Batman/Superman) drop even more
>on one hand. Robin War helped out Gotham Academy, on the other hand, it also saved Red Shit/Arsenal from cancellation numbers
>Vision shipping 36K even though Marvel supposedly matched orders for #1 (maybe they didn't count orders for variants?)
>Starbrand and Nightmask debuts at 29K
So how badly will these Marvel #1s drop?
>>Starbrand and Nightmask debuts at 29K
Didn't any of you assholes buy a variant?
Joking aside, have digital numbers for Starbrand and Nightmask been released, maybe that can somewhat mitigate this?
>thinking word of mouth sells comics
>thinking good reviews sell comics
The only things that work are crossovers, events, and forcing stores to buy more copies with incentive variants.
>Didn't any of you assholes buy a variant?
I was going to get the Lupacchino variant, but my LCS wouldn't order it for me because they don't like "playing the variant game." Which is admirable up until the part where they only ordered 2 fucking copies of starbrand/nightmask, one for me and one for their rack.
I hate my LCS sometimes. I really do.
>good comics selling
>good comics with literally whos ever selling
That's funny anon.
Lowest selling DC ongoings
Omega Men 9,251
Doctor Fate 11,954
Justice League 3001 13,979
Secret Six 14,663
Gotham Academy 15,865
Martian Manhunter 15,962
Christ, Reis really was half of the sales. I was worried him leaving for Rise of the Seven Seas would do that to Vic.
But Omega Men, Midnighter, Dr Fate, and JL3001 are pretty much confirmed cancelled then?
With JL3002 on the way?
capefags don't care.Those who might like it think it's capeshit.
It could do well on trades but DC don't care about trades unlike Marvel.
bt ultimately it's king's fault. If you got a nice story to tell don't do it in a cape comic
Extraordinary x-men is already in 48k
All new x-men in 56k
While the inhumans
Uncanny inhumans is at 43k
And almost half of people who bought all new inhumans #1 dropped because that book is at 34K
Nice, my two favorite ongoings are also the lowest selling.
Take me out of my misery already.
Omega Men is getting its full run as a good faith to the fans that fought for its return.
Midnighter is tricky. The trade pre-orders are ridiculously good and DC is trying to keep it afloat with Grayson crossovers and now a Squad one. It could use a variant or two.
Dr. Fate really needs a more fun writer and it could be DC's equivalent to Miss Marvel.
It's one of the lower debuts for the new Vertigo titles. The highest one was like 17k I think. But it's a mini so it'll probably do better in trade anyway.
Anon, the premise of Omega Men is alienating enough. Add to that how closely you have to read, and that's a recipe for people not wanting it.
>It could do well on trades but DC don't care about trades unlike Marvel.
I'm pretty sure DC cares more
No idea, it hasn't changed directions lately or anything. Maybe the secondary GL books really were surviving on line wide crossovers? They haven't done one since Godhead over a year ago, and I know the last issue of Lost Army in November sold less than Sinestro
>And almost half of people who bought all new inhumans #1 dropped because that book is at 34K
But why? All-new Inhumans is way better than Uncanny. Hell, it's better than any of the x-books at that.
Word of mouth does sell comics. Grayson and Ms Marvel are super popular and fans raving about them is why they sell. Omega Men just has several people mentioning it here and there.
>anon soul when
Because if people dont like teen x-men they will care less about new teen inhumans
>Hercules dropped to 20k
>Vision selling lower even with free issues, #4 sales will probably be disastruous
Cool, the only two Marvel comics I read also sell like shit.
>Because if people dont like teen x-men they will care less about new teen inhumans
B-but Crystal is one of the few inhumans that anyone gives a fuck about.
I mean, Lockjaw, Crystal, and Black Bolt are pretty much the only Inhumans worth a damn and they've ruined BB by turning him into Cuckbolt and Lockjaw isn't appearing anywhere at the moment, leaving Crystal as the only Inhuman anyone should care about.
Yet people are buying the Medusa-lead book instead? How can people have taste so shit that they'd pick Cuntdusa over Best Waifu Crystal.
>Anon, the premise of Omega Men is alienating enough. Add to that how closely you have to read, and that's a recipe for people not wanting it.
Not to mention the only character in it that would actually be a reader draw is barely advertised to be in it and half his fans hate it anyway
double shipped, It wouldn't be smart for LCS to buy a bunch of #2 with nothing but a weeks sales to back up the previous chapters. Plus the only sorta well known inhumans in it are crystal and gorgon the former coming of years of absence.
He means that Marvel releases trades of ongoing series faster than DC, but the reason DC doesn't do it is because it discourages single issues sales( how many times have you heard about a mini " no point in getting the singles, I'll just get the trade). Marvel can afford to do it due to constant relaunches, constant events and bazillion variants which tricks the LCS
The overexposure to Medusa in avengers book or ms marvel made people love Medusa in such a short time.
Or people like a women with power that doesnt need no man.
Choose your poison
His rep has not been very good since the Aquaman stuff and lately it's just been more and more. Sinestro is good but I know quite a few people who have turned on it for no reason other than him writing it.
Oh yeah, Marvel pumps them out faster (the Ultimate End trade came out like less than a month after the final issue ffs) but I do not get the impression that they care about long term sales as much
>Omega Men just has several people mentioning it here and there.
it was among many comic review websites Top 10 of the year. even CBR, Marvel and Image shills they are, gave Omega Men a Top 10 spot on their 2015 countdown.
word of mouth doesn't translate to sales, it's all about how much a comic can pander and trend on social media.
>This hard waifuism
Crystal has not been prominent since she was on the avengers in the fucking 90s. Besides Medusa is way nicer than she used to be. Also Crystal is an adulterous cunt.
It's a black bolt book so far, the first and the second arc follow him.
No worse than most of the ANAD books. Certainly leagues better than fucking USG and that's probably gonna get twice as long of a run AND a THIRD relaunch. Meanwhile, this'll probably get cancelled at 6, and be the last chance at any new New Universe material for at least another decade.
Do you have any idea how fucking furious I am that BLUR of all people is probably going to be the only New Universe character that anyone will give a shit about once this gets cancelled? DP7 was good, don't get me wrong, but it was pretty much standard super-hero fare and Blur wasn't even one of the more interesting characters in the line-up.
Every decade we get ONE shot at making people give a fuck about New Universe. The original line failed, Starblast was forgettable, newuniversal was hugely promising then didn't go anywhere once Ellis dropped the project (HDD failure my fucking ass), and this is it man. This is the one shot we've got for the 10s.
It's hard being one of the 3 people in the world that still care, but Shooter duped me into caring about NU.
DC also collects more in their trades than Marvel does and they're on a whole more affordable. DC also spends more time releasing older runs and fan-favorite stuff through trades. Trades are secondary to Marvel, but it's where DC's sales are stronger. Midnighter is selling like shit but the pre-orders are great, quite a few anons have said their local bookstores have trouble keeping Grayson and Batgirl in stock, and Didio even said that strong trade sales are starting to matter more to them now.
Nobody cares about reviews but word of mouth works. Omega Men is not talked about on tumble and is only mentioned ass good sometimes(quite rare in the last few months) here or on reddit and the threads always have few replies and fewer posters.
Marvel also doesn't sell that well in trade, so it's natural that they don't really care about them.
In the last years, Hawkeye was the only one that did extremely well in trade form. I don't think they managed to have something like that for an ongoing since then. I think it's why they're trying to immitate de Fraction/Aja style for many of their comics, they're hoping they'll get a hit like that again.
Maybe Sunspot will save them, remember that he offer them a spot in the new avengers and maybe they will take place of Wiccan and Teddy when they are gone.
And why would they be gone, because Wiccan now has a chutulu like god living inside him
Hawkeye and Ms Marvel are forming a group of Marvel titles that sell disproportionately well in trade. If the next USQ does well in trade, then that will round out their trinity of high trade sellers.
Yes anon. The original poster was wrong but I was just trying to make you understand what he meant and what he meant is that Marvel releases trades of ongoing comics faster. DC actually tries with their trades and reprints a lot of old stuff, even if they're not super popular(like Milligan's Egypt)
At least we can take solace in knowing that not even Marvel can make good books sell. It's not DC's marketing's fault that their good books don't sell, it's just that the average consumer ACTIVELY HATES QUALITY.
>In the last years, Hawkeye was the only one that did extremely well in trade form. I don't think they managed to have something like that for an ongoing since then. I think it's why they're trying to immitate de Fraction/Aja style for many of their comics, they're hoping they'll get a hit like that again.
Ms. Marvel and USG do well in trade too :^)
Midnighter might get saved by the fact that the protagonist is gay and because it's getting great reviews/was on many best of 2015 lists/just won an award for best new ongoing. Also good trade pre-orders and does okay digitally.
Just trying to be optimistic. I don't want to accept that all the books I like will get cancelled soon.
Seriously Why can marvel make an hercules movie sooner, is the only way they will get people to buy this book
Is a mutant, marvel doesnt want to deal with mutants anymore
Bunn's anti-hero/villain books are good. Nigga can write some top tier hammy morally ambiguous character work. But he's pretty awful at everything else. Even his indie books aren't particularly good.
I love his Sinestro and Magneto, and his UXM (art aside) seems like it'll be good, but I've hated every other book he's written something fierce.
Eh, Johnny is the equivalent of a trophy wife. He's not there to be the dominant part of the relationship, he's there to be arm candy to show that Medusa only fucks top tier blondes.
>Is a mutant, marvel doesnt want to deal with mutants anymore
Well Bobby is probably the OG X Man people give the least fucks about so they could probably just retcon him into being an inhuman this whole time. Might as well since he was gay this whole time too. Lying to himself and being flamboyant can be his new personality.
I don't get it, why doesn't DC give the Harley variants to low selling books?
Batman and the rest will sell no matter what. Seems like it would be a better business decision to give variants with popular characters to books that are not selling so hot.
I hope so, i want pic related to happen
Not really. Iron Man, Vision, and more don't really do all that amazing despite having movies.
Maybe Marvel should do Star Wars crossover month seeing how really it's the title that's actually selling well. They're really not doing any better than DC when you take Star Wars away.
He won't catch the Tumblr market like Wiccan and Hulkling.
Comic fans having such shit taste they flee a book when Grayson shows up would be too much to bear.
Midnighter has been dropping hard but less hard with each issue, so it doesn't look like Dick made a difference there either.
There's a reason why in most of these threads I end up posting this picture.
The first USG trade did great, but let's see how the future trades, espicially with the relaunch messing with the numbers, does before putting it on the same tier as Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye.
If you give variants to lower selling books, there's a chance that retailers won't take it since they fear they won't be able to sell any extra copies. It's safer and a guaranteed success to have variants on books they know will sell.
E.g., a variant for Batman may bump up sales by 7k vs a variant for Midnighter which may bump it up 1-2k. DC would much rather have sales go from 110k to 117k than 11k to 13k.
Because their big titles are dropping due to shit talent being on them. This month was like a placebo rather than a true cure. DC's smaller titles are just better quality-wise right now than most of their bigger name characters.
>tfw LOWW will do horribly in floppy format
>tfw it's not even doing all that well in digital format either
I know it's because of the Harley variant stuff but fuck, DC needs to know that the Finches aren't acceptable, especially Meredith.
I understand not buying retail incentive variants but when it's literally "Just order me this cover, too" they're just being pretentious cunts about it.
I picked up the Skottie Young variant, myself.
I am a huge fucking sucker for his covers, I dunno.
>I understand not buying retail incentive variants but when it's literally "Just order me this cover, too" they're just being pretentious cunts about it.
It was a 1:25 variant so I can understand them not wanting to order it.
If that were the case, I don't think Marvel would bother with the free issues thing since sales would still have held steady for 6 issues. It's DEFINITELY a stealth mini, but I think it's more likely to be ~10 issues. 12 seems to be the default these days so they can get two trades out of it.
Oh, I didn't know which ones were incentivized and which ones Marvel was being cool about.
Marvel's incentive system is just fucked: order 15% more of Book A to receive incentive covers of unrelated Book B.
At least the 1:25 system makes sense, Marvel's just pulling backstage strings to prop sales numbers up.
I'm mad because Wonder Woman under the Finches and without variants keeping it alive would probably be selling under 20k by now, especially given how it keeps on dropping in between variants. Instead, it continues to hover around 40k.
Marvel just wants to steal King from DC and lock him into an exclusive contract and then do jackshit with him.
On the other hand, as much as I love King, his name is just not selling books the way it should. I think if DC gave him the Lantern or Flash books we'd reach a point where his name would sell books.
Kind of like how Snyder taking over Batman made him selling talent even if his non-Batman stuff is better, or Johns became what he is today by bringing Flash and GL out of the gutter.
Oh yeah, the way they handled the hip-hop variants was some of the dumbest shit ever. I imagine they would have gotten MORE sales if the way to get them wasn't a fucking labyrinthine mess.
That's what bothers me the most about Vision. It's a great book and King's a great writer, but it's glaringly obvious that it's all part of a ploy to snatch King away from DC. Marvel has shown, especially in recent years, that it doesn't know how to consistently handle good talent. People stagnate with them.
On one hand, King needs a high profile book to get his name out there. On the other hand, I think King is kinda... too good for high profile books? Like, he's the kinda writer you don't want to saddle with a bunch of editorial mandated shit which is par for the course when dealing with a-listers.
Regardless, I would LOVE to see King on Green Lantern and/or Captain America.
>All New X-Men #1 81,342
>All New Inhumans #1 58,123
>Extraordinary X-Men #3 56,100
>Uncanny Inhumans #3 43,036
I think that's why Flash would be better for him than Green Lantern.
He's an A-List character but he comes with zero baggage because DC has never tried to give his extended family much.
He'd never have to carry a Flash crossover or event, he'd never have to hold back on his plots because the other Flash book is doing something, he'd never have to rush through his story because there's a big Flash-line crossover. He can just write The Flash.
>my shitty books sell better than your shitty books
yeah King works well because he's not too tightened by editorial mandates. at DC the Batman Offices are the only ones with looser editorial going on, but other areas are still pretty strict.
>digital sales not being available
>digital prices being the same as print
Why is this goddamn industry so fucking retarded and when will it get unfucked?
I don't want him on GL because naturally they'd try to force crossovers and editorial shit on it.
Flash or Wondy would be ideal if you didn't want that happening since they don't have a family of books.
One of King's fave characters is Cap.
He's up there with Dick on King's list.
That's because they all got fucked over by the early New 52 stuff so the editorial started to back down a bit. They had to stop every five seconds and write arcs centered around the main Batbook versus what they wanted to do. Nightwing really started to get better when he moved to Chicago and started an entirely new status quo, and Batgirl was still depressing as shit but at least it was finally starting to feel like its own book. I can't say I know what happened behind the scenes but I think Gail quitting around the Death of the Family crossover seems to be what put a stop to that shit.
The Omega Men revival just reeks of a war starting over him and I do think DC is going to win out in the end. Which partially saddens me even if I am a DCuck because I really love Vision and I'd like to see him do a Winter Soldier or SHIELD book.
When it comes to talent of King's levels than yeah. He needs an A-list character to raise his name up as a writer.
The only thing I've ever read by the guy is that awful Transformers miniseries he did and it's scared me off of ever giving anything else a shot. The thing was just offensively terrible.
all new inhumans is recycling old x-men plots but without any of the conflict because inhumans are cool and loved and whatever.
uncanny is doing its own inhuman story with family drama thrown in.
There is no "Superman office". It's just JL titles and extra titles like Starfire split between some group editors. But yes Wonder Woman is under Berganza who is the group editor for Superman too.
Batman is the only family of books and then some to have their own office under one group editor.
When did the x-men go to not korea?
>without any of the conflict because inhumans are cool and loved and whatever
Not true at all, The Inhumans get heat from other nations and shield. It just isn't super racism like muggas get.
I like threads like this.
We're united in our sadness instead of shitposting eachother into oblivion. Kinda like those Fant4stic threads when everyone was united in hatred and glee at it flopping.
>spidergwen selling better than silk
suck it /co/ stop trying to force that shitty
>"S-silk is g-good! and it looks cute" meme
>scar on the left eye
>both are insane
>both of them hate their dads
>both of them send in time
>both of them raised by megalomaniac
the only thing that differentiates them is that Ahura didn't release a legacy virus to destroy inhumans
>How does he still have a job?
Literally blackmail. One of the worst kept secrets in the industry is the fact that Berganza has some kinda dirt on a high-up DC executive, so they can't fire him. Instead they just try and quarantine him by keeping him in male-only offices and out of the public spotlight. When there's controversy, they just demote him to a less visible position but they never/can't fire him because if they do, he'll release whatever dirt he has.
>Ahura didn't release a legacy virus to destroy inhumans
Instead he went through time, strategically attacking people and places at the exact moments necessary to wipe out inhumans from the timeline.
Any rumors of what kind of dirt? What could possibly be so damaging that they can't fire him after all those blunders and the accusations of sexual harassment?
Does Didio diddle kids or something?
>02/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 278,575
>03/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 107,070 (-61.6%)
>04/15 spider-Gwen #3 - 102,234 (- 4.5%)
>05/15 Spider-Gwen #4 - 86,586 (-15.3%)
>06/15 Spider-Gwen #5 - 67,697 (-21.8%)
>10/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 197,103
>11/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 62,209 (-68.4%)
>Spider-Gwen 3 54,844
Huh. Yeah, you're absolutely right. "Earth's atmosphere makes us sick and our original home has been destroyed, so now we need to find a new place to live" is like one of two Inhumans plotlines that gets recycled over and over.
Same with Howard the Duck, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, and a couple more I can't remember.
Fun fact, we got news of Hawkeye relaunching after five issues before Fraction's last Hawkeye issue came out.
And the only reason he failed is because Beast saved them.
Had he just kept his mouth shut for another 10 minutes then all the inhumans would have been completely wiped from the 616 timeline, thus causing the T-bomb to not have gone off and thus saving the mutant race.
Beast literally had the opportunity to save the mutant race at the cost of the quick and painless erasure of the inhumans and he DIDN'T DO IT.
I don't care about the Mutants vs. Inhumans shitflinging, but I think we can all agree that Beast is the fucking worst.
>Invincible Iron Man #4 - 57,639
Just wanted to tell this "man of vision" and all those Bendis haters that think they know so much to eat shit.
Everything got a new #1 and the best part is that it blew up in Marvel's face, everyone treated the #1s like they were just regular issues and they also lost some of their newer fans who either decided this would be a good time to stop buying comics or were confused/annoyed by the renumbering.
marcel should give King the Inhumans and give him free reign to do whatever he wants with them.
the worst can happen is that they remain as unpopular as they are now. On the other hand he might succeed in making them interesting and turn them into a flagship title.
They are a bit more high profile than vision or omega men so it should help sales, and marvel could just stir up some controversy to get peopel to talk about them
Speaking of Hawkeye, I find it really funny how Marvel is trying really hard to immitate the Fraction/Aja style and completely failing.
That run did so well because it was something fresh and different at the time. They should realize that it's better to do something innovative and different with a new run instead of copying earlier ones.
Fuck no. The Inhumans franchise is editorially micromanaged, they're taking them in a different direction(but not so different since they're like X-men now) and it sucks. If this were the old Inhumans I'd be all for it.
I mean alad inhumans are dealing with people with superpowers popping up in varion nations and them protecting them and protecting the nations all the while dealing with hate and bigotry. That's a typical x-men theme, but it falls flat in anad inhumans because at the end of the day they are loved and have the collaboration of earth nations.
On the other hand UI are timetraveling chasing after a madman and their son turned crazy and evil. Of course people are more interested in uncanny.
what makes thing spicier is that in issue #1 Frenzy basically played the ebil mutant because "cure" for terrigen mists.
really, it's basically impossible for me to not root with muties, and I used to ignore them
>spiderman 2099 that low
can the most based spider and his sidekick come back now?
that's why I said
>give him free reign
Otherwise it's pointless.
I'm an x-fag but I would read an inhuman book written by tom king.
Really the only problem with the inhumans is that marvel is trying to have them replace the muties. If they let them be their own thing nobody would complain.
>protecting the nations all the while dealing with hate and bigotry.
Did you even read it? They don't help non Inhumans. They only got cooperation by vilifying mutants and playing the victim. Shield let them into sin kong to spy on the not koreans.
No but it gives a lot of people jobs and it'd be easy for Disney and WB to say at some point "Why keep making comics? Batman/Spider-Man/whoever have enough for reprints and they're going to make merch money anyway lets stop this shit" so sales are pretty important.
>4 Batgod books dominating in the top 10
>No Spiderman or any solo marvel hero
>gave tmnt a 100k+ boost
>Killing joke 2 issues start in 2017
>Bvs variant and bbt variant will only increase all dc issues
Give up haha you will never stop batman, can't wait till bvs comes out
I'm not saying that issue sales are unimportant, I'm just saying, a lot of people here think that Marvel/DC/Dark Horse whatever will "die" if their sales continue to decline. Obviously they won't, but of course it isn't good for them if their sales single issue sales drop, but it's not the end of them.
Tpb's must also be a pretty big source of income for them. In many countries outside of USA and Canada, Tpb's are the most easily available for any given comic book.
Kylefags already do this. And John Stewart fags (because of the Darkseid War one-shot). And Jason Todd fags (because he writes him better than Lobdell, and Jasonfags can't accept that)
It'd only be worth it if he paid homage to this scene.
>Omega Men is Islamophobic because space terrorism
>Midnighter is straightwashing because he's not with Apollo in the new book
>Grayson promotes sexual assault because Dick is naked sometimes and people find him attractive
SJW types are not exactly the brightest of the bunch, to be fair.
>Blatant attempt to make money off BvS hype
>debuts at 29K
Eh, I think people just think that cause of JOhns' run, which was just a fucking insane success. For most of GL's history, he's been totally solo, and even right now there's only a mini and a villain series aside from the solo book. Plus King has already proven he can write a fucking amazing Hal, whereas we have no idea how his Barry and Diana are.
DC and Marvel comics are just small fractions in Disney and Tim Warner. Hell they're small fractions in DC Entertainment.
They're IP farms. Image, Vertigo, etc are basically there to be movie/tv pitches half the time now.
All Alonso had to do was say nothing, they could've made him straight and no one would've ever knew. Hell the fact he has a male friendship would mean people would assume they were fucking.
She hasn't said anything.
Not whether she's leaving or if she has a new book coming up.
But it's pretty clear by >>78897190 that 4 or 5 books are gonna get cancelled in just a few months and perhaps some more books are gonna get new teams. If she doesn't have something then, then she's probably done.
But anon, being homosexual in ancient Greece usually meant pic related. Marvel is not yet ready to add this to its agenda.
Why change Batman's talent when it's their number 1 selling title? Put her on Batwoman, Wonder Woman or Supergirl. Hell put her on Flash or Green Lantern and let her grow to fame on one of those guys. They all need new talent, and they're all essentially A-Listers except maybe Batwoman but she's at least pretty popular and in need of good talent.
Her Catwoman should have been reset to number 1 like Batgirl. Not really to get the number 1 boost but because those titles both had bad blood attached to them and they needed that fresh start to tell new fans it was okay to read now.
Exactly. Catwoman was considered the absolute worst of the reboot and even when it caught small breaks it never was able to shake that reputation. It needed a clean start for her run.
>All New All Different Avengers #2 - 70k
Should be higher, it's a solid line-up
These books have a history of being near/in the cancellation zone
These books have pretty much found their floor, should be selling better but no one knows how to write them
They're books to make your name off
You'd think Supergirl would have more brand appeal now, but DC's deathly afraid to publish anything with Supergirl despite back issues doing well in shops. It took a lot of strong-arming for them to even put out a digital comic, and even then, they're not bothering with print issues.
And Batwoman's drop into the cancellation zone came from the creative team switch and the not letting her get married controversy didn't it?
Her trades were hardcover up until the team switch so that has to say something sales-wise.
Also Supergirl's problem is she hasn't had a strong run since Peter David wrote her in the 90s.
Speaking of renumberings
Ms Marvel got a raw deal, it was quite an accomplishment for her series to hit 19 issues with healthy sales and now she's back down #1, could've beaten Carols record 50 issue run with the mantle
Renumbering in the middle of a writer's run is stupid, especially if the relaunch is in the same year as the start of the run
Renumbering to give a new writer a fresh start and a chance to disassociate themselves from a notoriously awful run is a good move
Yeah there is a massive difference between relaunching 5 issues in with the same direction/creative team and relaunching after 3+ years with a different direction/creative team.
Catwoman and Batgirl could've both used a relaunch and would've been fine by me desu
Bunn and editorial really ran that book into the ground.
Which is a shame because he had like 3x the sales with Johns on it and 2x the sales with Parker on it.
Rise of the 7 Seas had better save it.
Why do all the good books not sell?
Why does the shit sell?
Why do people have shit taste?
Seeley will do Suicide Squad, Orlando is writing a Bulk & Skull story for Boom Studios's Power Rangers.
They should put Valentine on something too, she doesn't do anything right now.
Snyder has his creator-owned stuff (American Vampire, Wytches)
Seeley has Revival, and New Suicide Squad coming up
Not sure what else Orlando has outside of Midnighter, and occasional issues of BRE
Good, that book and Bunn deserves it for being so shit.
Shit, it's gonna outlive books of much higher quality anyway like Omega Men and Martian Manhunter, and to me that is very sad.
There were no variants for it this month, which probably accounted for the dip in sales.
Variants play a big part in inflating a book's number, it's why Green Arrow was as high as it was this month.
Not sure what I find more amusing, that Marvel thought there was demand for a Starlord book because the movie did well or that turning him into Chris Pratt alienating the fans he did have was a good move
Batwoman's sales weren't very high before the marriage controversy.
It turns out letting a c-lister not be apart of crossovers makes sales drop.
Nightwing and Batgirl were around Batwoman's sales when the New 52 kicked off, but those two managed to stay afloat more due to CoO and DOTF tie ins. Batwoman just kept dropping with each issue.
She ended up having respectable sales around 25k by #24.
They even have Jeff Parker since his Batman 66 has ended.
Jeff Parker will be good on Shazam as well, judging by his convergence mini. Johns should let go the orange ring.
Nice to see so many Batman titles in the top ten. DKIII needs that #1 spot. Do your duty!
kek at the SJW marvel titles. Sam Wilson at 89. Marvel on suicide watch. It would seem going for political correctness over marketability and the invisible hand of supply and demand is going to be the death of Stan Lee's old company.
Anyone know why Marvel didn't do the 2 issue/1 month release thing for Starbrand and Nightmask?
It seemed to help get a lot of the ANAD stuff out there and started, this title really could've used that.
>Doctor Fate 11,954
Nice story, awful, awful art
>Justice League 3001 13,979
I wish I liked it
>Secret Six 14,663
None of the charm of the original
Stop forcing Black Alice
why is this bitch so hard to write compared to other Batbooks?
>Gotham Academy 15,865
>Martian Manhunter 15,962
I like it, feels more Johns-y than other GL books
And he's going to have Ferreyra on art for at least 7 or so issues
Pro, anon; I mean, one day I read his Chaos, thinking it was going to be crap and it turned out to be well written and fun enough.
You crack me up, guy. I'm definitely not acting like a tough guy at all.
It's just amusing to me how triggered you've gotten over me not liking Bunn that you gotta try to defend his pride. You're the one acting like a tough guy.
>Can you tell us the story about the reboot of the Prez title ? How did you do to make that comicbook ? Did DC directly contact you ?
>Yes, DC contacted me directly. So I hope no one is reading this for advice on how to get into the comic book industry. Waiting for DC Comics to call you is a really bad idea. But for me, the improbable happened, and out of the blue they asked me if I wanted to write the reboot of an obscure 1974 comic about a teenage president. How could I say no ? What part of that offer is unattractive ?
>Rebooting Prez was ultimately the idea of DC Publisher Dan Didio, who matched me with artist Ben Caldwell and editor Marie Javins, which were choices made in Heaven. When I described the dark parody of American politics I had in mind for what was supposed to be a mainstream DC comic, it would have been fair for anyone working with me to wonder if they were committing career suicide. But Dan, Ben and Marie were all immediately on board and have been really great to work with. I wanted the world of Prez to be someplace at once familiar to us, but also deeply unsettling. I wanted to populate the world of Prez with people who don’t realize they’re living in a dystopia, as is usually the case. I think this dystopia of the unaware lends itself well to satire, as people are funniest when they don’t realize they’re being funny.
>DC has allowed me a lot of freedom. So far, they’ve let me get away with everything except putting Meryl Streep in an exoskeleton and using the word fishdick.
>I do. I have recently signed a deal to write another title for DC, but I can’t be more specific than that until they make the announcement.
>No worse than most of the ANAD books.
That's not a defense.
>Yeah this book is shit but so are these are books why is nobody buying it?
Because people would rather buy a shitty Iron Man book, a character they've heard of, than a shitty Starbrand book, a character they haven't.
No because I don't like this stupid idea that only women should write women characters. Besides I'd like to see what she'd do with Atlantis, politics and shit like that. Oh and Mera's going to be there too anyway.
Orlando's Atlantis mini at Image was dull.
come on now. Getting those morons to complain loudly about omega men being racist would be a great way for it to become known and possibly increase its sales.
>Gotham Academy 15,865
>Justice League 3001 13,979
Buyfags need to get on these, STAT.
You're a fucking idiot, you have no proof I sent any death threats to Bunn because I said his writing is shit, smartass.
Hell, for all we know Bunn's just covering his ass by saying he got ran off because of some death threats, if we really believed in his writing he would have stuck to his guns and prove his haters wrong like Slott is doing with Spider-Man (whether you like him or not, he still believes in what he is doing).
He's the hero we need, but not the one we deserve.
>They need to go out and find up and coming talent like DC does
They do though. They're just not good at it like DC. Pic is the fruits of their talent scouting.
The point is stick to your guns, don't let any fans run you off a book if you actually believe in what you're doing. It doesn't matter that Slott is shit, he still gets hate for his Spider-Man all the same and yet he's still on the title to this day. You cannot say the same for Bunn however.
NO, no, you've got it wrong. WE need to complain about the Omega Men, so that buying it is "striking against the evil cis-white-hetero-patriarchy", and "sticking it to those ugly neckbeard autists"
Yeah, he's so great, I really love how he ran DC into the ground so badly that they had to reboot to try to recoup their losses but only now it's starting to clearly hurt them in their asses.
Yep, you can put that on the record. "Keith Giffen: Back from the dead!" My concern back then – and DC was good about this; nobody leaked it. Dan DiDio knew; DC knew. Nobody said a word. I didn't want to be — and you know the fans will do this — if this leaked out or I announced it, there would be about five minutes of heat and then people would forget it, but I was concerned that my work would be judged on Keith before, and Keith after. I've got a nice body of work now, so I think people can see, yeah, he's still doing s**t. [Laughs.] I didn't want to give anybody a reason to say, hmmm, he's not the same guy. I mean, in a way, I'm not. But I think it's in a good way.
Just speaking the truth, baby. I actually do like a lot of New 52 shit, probably some stuff even some people don't like. But without executive meddling, it didn't really have to come to this in the first place.
Nope, it's only just reality, my friend.
Please no, I don't want to like Dan Slott.
Pretty sure I told Scanbro once that I love him and I'd suck his dick.
I think Seeley comes here too.
Someone posted in one of the Grayson threads that he'll buy the book for eternity if Midnighter will recognize Dick by his ass. That was posted way before the issue was released.
Nope, it's just the truth.
Yes, let's praise DC for the success of Perez (which sells like shit) while the Superman line continues to burn down in flames. Yes, you and any diehard DC fanboys sure have their priorities right.
Well many people do, man.
The thing is, and this simply is the truth, if you don't got the main house in order, most people aren't gonna care about the rest of the lower tier titles you have to offer. This is the same reason you got idiots saying the New 52 was bad despite all the good titles it yielded. They see their favorite characters get screwed over and they just assume the whole line is shit as a result.
No you're a DC fucking shill if you actually believe that for a second. Jesus fucking Christ you faggot.
I'm a shill, despite liking Batman and Justice League and you aren't even though you enjoy shit like Flash? The irony, get the fuck out of here, kid.
I don't know man, only good Marvel books right now are Vision, Herc, Squadron Supreme. Karnak has some potential.
I definitely wouldn't call those A-list. Meanwhile, all their A-lister books are pure shit.
Morrison's B&R run had ended, I think the last person to work on B&R was Winnick. Action Comics was great while Luthor was starring but then it got involved in a shitty crossover and turned to shit, and then the reboot happened.