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Confirm/deny: These are not only the best three entries of phase two, but among the best movies of the MCU as a whole.
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>>78895535
I completely agree.
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>>78895535
Guardians of the Galaxy is overrated shit.

Ant-Man was ok but Iron Man 1 was better in everything.

Completely agree with Winter Soldier. Best movie of MCU by far.
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I thought Ant Man was completely mediocre. Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty good, mostly since it was detached from the rest of the MCU garbage. I haven't seen Winter Soldier yet but I hear it's their best film.
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Also agree. Did you expect to bait people?
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>>78895673
No, what's overrated is The Winter Solider. That movie was fucking boring.
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>>78895535
True of phase two but I wouldn't say Ant-Man is one of the best in the series.
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>>78895535

Yep.
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>>78895535
>Ant-Man

Even Avengers is better than Ant-Man
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>>78895535
>best three entries of phase two
>CA:TWS
>Ant-Man (barely)
confirm

>best of the MCU
>just CA:TWS
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>>78895699
This. I couldn't believe the praise it got. First half of TFA blew it away.
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>>78895535
Absolutely not.

Guardians of the Galaxy is leaps and bounds above the other two films, though Ant-Man itself is far superior to The Winter Soldier.

Guardians was a nearly perfect movie. Stood on its own, was massively entertaining, had a moral and a heart, it was a gorgeous action-comedy that worked flawlessly.

Ant-Man was a bit more muddled than that. It had a heart for sure, and it had something to say, but much of that got lost in the need to tie it all into the Marvel universe. The 20 minute or so fight with Falcon being the most egregiously unnecessary addition to a film in recent memory.

The Winter Soldier, in my opinion, is one of the worst Marvel films. While its problems pale in comparison to those of, say, Thor 2, it does almost nothing right.

Winter Soldier starts off strong as a noir spy thriller and mystery movie, but then hands the answer to the mystery to both the audience and the main characters within the first 30 minutes. After that it's a string of fairly boring and predictable action setpieces. For fuck's sake, they actually end the threat to the world with 30 more minutes of runtime left, sucking any and all tension out of the "climactic" fight that effects absolutely nothing and you know both participants will survive.

Seriously, I will never understand why half of /co/ slobbers all over Winter Soldier's cock. The first film was vastly superior.
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>>78895754
Wow, must be a really shitty movie then.
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>>78895754
>Second best MCU movie being better than fifth best MCU movie.

No shit.
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>>78895535
Haven't seen ant-man yet so I can't make judgement on it.

GotG was great.

Winter Soldier was good, but I still liked First Avenger more
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>>78895535
According to /tv/, Gotg is "literally reddit: the movie". Agree or disagree with them?
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>>78895920
Winter Soldier mut've really sucked then.
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>>78895941
/tv/ only hates it because reddit got the memes in it before they did
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>>78895859
>Guardians was a nearly perfect movie.

They completely fucked the last act. The climax felt like a tv set, it was stale and flat compared to the rest of the film. Also, Ronan was a shit villain. A horrible combination of the weakest lines and the weakest performance.

Still the best Marvel movie, though.
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>>78895535
>Cap
Spy thriller movie this is like a rejected borne identity plot, it wuz russians and nazis again.
I guess not being a cape shit is the best one.

>Gotg
Children's movie, the disneyfication is real, literally man children hispter the movie especially with that horrible dated soundtrack, and that scene with that blue guy when he was trying to get info on the buyers of that xandarian confirms its children's movie status.


>Antman
Completely forgettable, I blame the lead actor hes just not superhero material it has no fans and has no hype even worst than thor.
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>>78895941
Fuck /tv/.
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>>78895941
Who gives a flying fuck about /tv/ opinion about a /co/ related movie?
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>>78895941
Agree.
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>>78895941
Anything remotely popular is a meme to /tv/
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>>78895941
>/tv/s opinions
>relevant
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>>78895970
I still liked Winter Soldier bruh. I just happened to like First Avenger more, be thankful I'm not saying Iron Man 1 belongs in the top 3
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>>78895535
No, Doctor Strange is the best MCU movie
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>>78895941
/tv/ is actually the worst board.
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Antman would have been better if he spent more time being Antman and less time being a cut-rate Ocean's 11 ripoff
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>>78895535
If replace TWS with Iron Man 1 and that would be true.
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>>78896046
How is that time machine working out for you?
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>>78895859
>Guardians was a nearly perfect movie.
I don't know man. It didn't have enough dance, Ooga-Chaka and I Am Groot to be perfect
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>>78896083
>memememememe
just stop
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>>78896080
Like crap. I am stuck in 2016. But yes, Doctor Strange is the best MCU movie. Mark my words
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>>78895997
>>78896012
/tv/ is the only place on here besides /co/ that discusses superhero movies (or "capeshit"), though
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>>78896125
But why? Do you hate fun?
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So why is Iron Man 3 considered bad again? I mean other than the Mandarin not really being the Mandarin I thought it was alright. Could've been better if the villain was MODOK imo
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They are the best Phase 2 movies, but only Winter Soldier was good.

The holy trinity of the MCU is Iron Man, Daredevil and Winter Soldier.
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>>78896156
But they're more autistic. Literally worst board
>>78896158
You know what you're doing
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>>78895989
Ronan was a total one-note villain, but that was to the film's benefit. There really wasn't time to devote to establishing a sympathetic or involved villain.

He was a petulant child of a villain and that's exactly what the film needed: an unambiguous and powerful evil for the main characters to rally against.
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Ant-Man was good, but it being good was more of a result of it being way better than expected, rather than objectively good.

Iron Man, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and The Avengers are probably the best three movies of the MCU so far.
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>>78895686
Nigga how have you watched ant-man and GotG but not Winter Soldier
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>>78896185
>You know what you're doing
Of course. I mean. Guardians is nearly perfect. Is that nearly in this case means "not even close"
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>>78896173
>Iron Man 3
You mean Person Man?

Shitty villain, stupid plot, braindead Tony, he goes most of the movie without his armor, they fluctuate oddly between tones (one scene it's like a kid's movie where the kid is helping the superhero and it's all light and fun, then the next he's gun-murdering a compound of guards).
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>>78896217
First Captain America movie sucked.
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>>78896173
>So why is Iron Man 3 considered bad again? I mean other than the Mandarin not really being the Mandarin I thought it was alright.

The fact that he overcame his PTSD so quickly.
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>>78896210
>Iron Man
Yes, objectively one of the best if not the best
>Winter Soldier
Hahaha, holy shit no. Winter Soldier isn't even better than Thor
>Avengers
Right in the middle of the pack boyo.

Top 3 Marvel films are easy. Iron Man 1, Guardians, and Ant-Man.

It used to be Iron Man 1, Guardians, and the first half of First Avenger.
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>>78896262
You have shit taste. The first half of the first Captain America movie was amazing, it only got boring once it slipped out of character building and commentary into generic action

Winter Soldier is garbage, don't see it.
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>Winter Soldier is garbage and worse than Thor
Ah, I was waiting for the /co/ntrarians to strike when it comes to this movie. Usually it takes only 3 months for people to turn on a MCU film.
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>>78896344
Thor sucked though, Dark World was slightly better but that doesn't mean much
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>>78896313
Maybe you just have poor taste, you brain dead fatty.
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>>78895859
Hello Reddit!
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>>78895535

Agreed, add IM1 and you have my favorite 4 MCU films.
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>>78896344
>implying this opinion wasn't fairly common right after release
The reception for Winter Soldier was split firmly into two camps.

The first camp is a bunch of drooling idiots sucking the movie's dick for no apparent reason.

The second camp is a bunch of people who expected a noir thriller and got a sub-par action movie with no tension or mystery to speak of.

The Nick Fury action scene is literally the only good part in the entire movie.
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Posting my opinions on the top 3, shitpost all you want

>Incredible Hulk(2008)
>Captain America: The First Avenger
>Guardians of the Galaxy
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>>78895535
They're the best phase 2 and the 3 best to date,
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>>78896394
>The reception for Winter Soldier was split firmly into two camps.
It really wasn't, it got great reviews from both critics and fans.

You're just memeing right now.
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the latter 2 sucked, OP.
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Winter Soldier is the only one above average.
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>>78896425
On /co/ you fucking moron

Context: it's important
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>>78896483
Not really, it was voted best cape movie in the 2014 /co/ awards.

Are you a newfag or something?
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GotG is easily the best of all the MCU movies. Winter Soldier is overrated and for joyless American fucks. Ant-Man was pretty good but not as good as GotG.
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>>78896531
>voting in 4chan "awards"
No, but it seems you are.

Winter Soldier sucked and you've got no argument
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>>78896420
>Incredible Hulk(2008)

That movie is so bland and forgettable that you can skip it entirely and miss nothing.
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>>78896572
>my opinion is fact
Tell me more fampai.
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>>78895535
Agree except for Ant-man which was very generic (even though Luis' scenes which were great).
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>>78896609
>calling others newfags
>while using modern niggerspeak
Oh the irony
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>>78896572
God damn I haven't seen that picture in a long-ass time.
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>>78896173
There's like 4 good scenes in this whole movie (the Mandarin's reveal included),and everything else is mediocre when not boring.
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>>78896606
>implying General Ross isn't showing up in Civil War
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>>78896606
>people ignore this movie
>same people bitch about hulk 'suddenly' having any control in avengers
It also has a cool Cap set up with Blonsky and he's even one of the better MCU villains.
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>>78895535
I agree 100%
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>>78896291
>Winter Soldier isn't even better than Thor

>a movie about the supernatural where most of the cast are humans and Mjolnir is repeatedly pronounced "mew mew" by one of the characters
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>>78896242
>he goes most of the movie without his armor
Tony is Iron Man, not the suit. Didn't you watch the movie?
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>>78895535
add in Iron Man 1 and you got a list of the four most solid films in their genres.
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>>78896394
>a sub-par action movie with no tension or mystery to speak of

Mystery I can give you, but no tension? As much as it's been hyped on this board, the fight between Cap and Bucky on the streets of DC was one of the most tense moments in any Marvel film so far. The fight aboard the third Project Insight ship was a great final fight for the movie.
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>>78895535
Correct. Don't know how that's really debatable. Thor 2 and AoU sucked, and IM3 was only OK. And of the phase 1 movies, I'd say only Iron Man and the first 2/3rds of Captain America (great movie but completely falls apart in the third act) are as good as those three.
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>>78896242
>he goes most of the movie without his armor
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>hurr TWS sucks but GotG was amazing

Guardians of the Galaxy was an awesome movie, but the way Ronan was defeated was ridiculously dumb. Especially when the Collector said that an ancient group of people tried to share the stone's power but were unable to, and died. Yet a random group of criminals was able to do it?

Other than that, can't complain much about it.
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>>78898127
/vp/ being that high gives me doubts to the validity of the test.
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>>78898127
IQ is meaningless anyway.
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>>78898307
It's not, and you're demonstrating your own lack of it by accepting any board on 4chan has an overall genius-level IQ. That is a troll image.
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>>78898155
Regular Man 3 sucked.

>>78898183
>the fight between Cap and Bucky
May as well not have existed. The main threat of the movie has been dealt with and we know both characters come back in later movies, so there's absolutely nothing at stake. They could be dancing a ballet instead of fighting and absolutely nothing would change.
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>>78898127
>/fit/ rated far higher than /co/, /tg/ and /v/
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>>78896291
>Hahaha, holy shit no. Winter Soldier isn't even better than Thor

I'm impressed at how shit is this opinion.
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>>78898127
>/co/ behind /v/
lol no
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>>78898517
You're an idiot. No board's average IQ would be above 105 or below 95 because of how averages work. The average IQ is 100.
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>>78898580
Thor had:
-decent action setpieces
-decent acting
-A plot that lasted 90 minutes
-some alright comedy to fill the gaps

Winter Soldier had:
-One good action scene (Nick Fury)
-Scarlett Johansson proving she can't act in movies with more than a shoestring budget
-A plot that lasted 45 minutes leaving the rest of the movie to hang like a clingy turd
-No real comedy to speak of

I might've been able to forgive Winter Soldier's shortcomings and chalk it up as a simple popcorn action flick, but that's not what it presents itself as and that's not what people call it. It presents itself as a spy thriller with noir elements and then does a bait-and-switch.
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>>78895797
The first half of TFA blew everyone away. It's the best half a cape movie ever made.
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>>78898718
>-decent action setpieces
No it didn't.
>-decent acting
And you're a troll.
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>>78898908
>implying Natalie Portman and Chris Hemsworth didn't turn in perfectly fine performances in Thor
It ain't shakespeare but they do just fine.

Scarlett Johansson in Winter Soldier earns the coveted Keanu award for "actor or actress who could be replaced with a plank of wood to minimal effect"
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>>78899002
>>implying Natalie Portman and Chris Hemsworth didn't turn in perfectly fine performances in Thor
No, they didn't. Every single person in that movie phoned in their performance, and hemsworth has less presence and charisma than a block of wood. And none of the comedy was even remotely good. The fact that you even have comedy as a plus is ridiculous.
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>>78899002
>Sucking this hard Thor Movie's dick.
Damn son. You need a life.
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>>78899256
/co/ loves that fuckawful movie because the board is full of landwhales and faggots who thought it was a "cute" movie.
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>>78899280
What's it like living in your own imagination?
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>>78899347
I wish I was, then at least I'd have a little respect for /co/s taste in movies.
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they might be the three best movies of all time
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>>78895535
When does phase two start?
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>>78899367
>>78899347
>>78899280
>>78899256
>>78899072
So apparently saying "it ain't shakespeare" and saying portman did better than johansson is "sucking Thor's dick"

Never change, /co/
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Guardians of the Galaxy is hands down the best product of the MCU. (Maybe because I love the director)
Daredevil is second. The rest are kind of bland and standard.
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The problem with the Thor movies is that they're basically romantic comedies.
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>>78899514
>Never change, /co/
You're talking to /tv/, anon.
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>>78899446
Phase 1 is IM -> Avengers. Phase 2 is IM3 -> Ant-man.
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>>78895535
>These are the best three entries of phase two
Agreed
>These the best movies of the MCU as a whole.
Nope. Phase one had Iron Man and The Avengers. The first Captain America wasn't so bad. I also feel like The Incredible Hulk was underrated.
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>>78899654
Yes, always another board, never perfect hugbox /co/.
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>>78896344
>implying Thor 2 isn't literally one of the worst movies evar made and worse than the holocaust
I geeezlooooreeeeezz! You would people would prefer GOOD smart movies like American Ultra (aka the greatest movie ever made of this century! Written by the modern Plato, Max Landis). But no, retarded critics and movie-goiers actually gave this...this...TRASH praise! Thor 2 (along with MoS and ASM2) have higher scores on RT than American Ultra!!! This should not be happening!!! Does no one like original ideas anymore? American Ultra was the most original movie ever made (and the greatest). And yet people liked Thor the Dark World more??? This is why cinema is dead....
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Fuck off moviefags

You're the cancer killing this board
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>>78899865
>Thor 2
No no no, anon, Thor 2 is definitely worse than Winter Soldier.

I was talking about Thor 1.
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>>78898631
>No board's average IQ would be above 105 or below 95 because of how averages work. The average IQ is 100
It's the average on a macro scale, not the average for micro groups
A room filled with scientists will have a higher average IQ than... I dunno, Detroit
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>>78899865
>le max landis hate meme

Nigger, he's just saying the film industry is shit, which it is. Shitty sequels to comic book movies getting more attention than original IPs is bad in ANY medium. There's nothing wrong with shitting on that idea aside from it being very obvious and kind of pointless to make a bunch of twitter posts about.
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Winter Soldier was a bad movie. I enjoyed Thor 2 more than Winter Soldier.

I'm not trolling and would gladly post a full reason as to why if other anons wish.
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>>78900047
You don't need to, it was exposition filled garbage with paper thin characters and an incomplete ending
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>>78900015
I'm not sure you quite understand how incredible rare IQ's over 115 are, and I also think you're attributing too much to intelligence.

Scientists and MD's are the two employments with the highest average IQs, but their averages are still around 110 because having a few outliers in the 130 and up range isn't enough to counterract the vast majority of people who are more average.
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>>78895535

they were all pretty mediocre, except I hated guardians. Winter soldier was the best but it was so dreadfully boring.
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Confirm
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>>78899865
Landis, what are you doing here. Get out.
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>>78896366
it didn't for /co/ in their first months though
Seriously >>78896344 he is right about /co/ opinion with cape films
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>>78900360
>hated Guardians
>Winter Soldier was the best
maybe something like this is more your speed
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>>78899865
because a person who turns out to be a sleeper agent and is hunted by the government is an original idea?

also, the shitty movie had Jesse Eisenberg, Kristen Stewart, and Topher Grace. it was doomed from the start.
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>>78895993
>Completely forgettable, I blame the lead actor hes just not superhero material it has no fans and has no hype even worst than thor
Nigga, I've been pulling for Ant-Man since day fucking one, and while it's not a groundbreaking film, I'd say it's still great enough to warrant Ant-Man being an MCU mainstay

Also fuck you, Rudd is goddamn based
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>>78899680
Ah, ok. Yeah, then I agree.
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>>78896189
>Ronan was a total one-note villain, but that was to the film's benefit.

A good performance could have hammered in those one dimensional lines and made him seem like a legitimate threat instead of a vague stock plot device. Tons of cape movies are forgetting that the heroes need to overcome obstacles to be heroes, getting the villains right is fucking crucial.
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>>78900805
ANTS
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>>78900940
ANTS
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>>78895859
>>78895859
>winter soldier was bad
Did we even watch the same movie
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>>78901004
ANT-MAN
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>>78895993
Good post

>>78901068
Must be nice being 12
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>>78901068
I gave my reasons.

Had they made an effort have an actual mystery or somehow made the stakes of the Bucky/Cap fight beyond personal (as we know beforehand that both survive so there can be no suspense as to whether one of them dies, we need some outside goal or danger) then the movie would've been alright.
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>>78898718
>people complain about comedy being too prevalant in MCU movies
>winter soldier is the first MCU movie besides iron man to have any real stakes to the story and ignoring the shitty comedy MCU normally does
>for this, its praised as MCU's best movie
>you complain its bad because no comedy

You want another quipfest like how AoU was? Fuck off with that joke every two minutes bullshit. Why do you think Winter Soldier was praised as a decent MCU movie? Because it ignored that crappy comedy MCU has in every fucking movie. Fuck off contrain
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>>78901254
>you complain it's bad because no comedy
That was simply a comparison to Thor and is the absolute least of my concerns. Some levity helps to contrast with more serious plots and keep the audience from feeling fatigued.

Far more problematic are the major flaws in the story's structure (revealing the mystery way too early, resolving the plot well before the climactic action sequence)

I realize you're totally incapable of defending the movie from all but the most ridiculously altered of strawman arguments, but at least put in a tiny bit of effort.
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