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Just updated. Also, I made a new background for my blog if you guys want to check it out.
Went to copy store to make a cardstock copy of it, and did gray scale marker stuff on it. Might do more stuff like this in the future, it seen like good "multiply" pass for coloring.
Reposting my page from over the weekend in case anybody missed it. What do you guys think?
Just officially uploaded page two of AfterDeath to comic fury and Tapastic. Seems most folks would rather have speedy updates while I'm in the introduction portion of the series, so I'll start updating twice a week (Mon/Fri) at the expense of some of the bells and whistles I normally put into my pages.
A link to the series if you wanna follow it: http://tapastic.com/series/AfterDeath
I like it when the main character's family (usually the dullest characters) are funny goofs. as long as not EVERY character is. this works in paranatural too (fuck doesnt he have a sister? why doesnt she ever appear)
Since the last comment just linked to this; this is what I was thinking too but I couldn't find a way to put it into words.
Actually I think there's several creators in this thread that try really hard to be super-cool-anime-style than they overdo it and/or neglect other things.
Finished this page! How do you guys like that tears in the camera effect?
The word bubbles direct the reader's eye away from the majority of panel 3, pulling the reader into panel 4 before they've perhaps had a real chance to take in the art in the third panel.
And here's a WIP of the next page!
I actually got it in so fast because I brought my comp to school today, and page 17 has been done for hours. but I didn't have a connection to post here.
I was actually writing a script for an animation last night, and most of annabeth's text was coming off as pretty gay, so I just decided to go with the Sam and Max's author's saying 'if it makes the joke funnier than they're gay.
What is the best way to profit from a smut comic?
Webcomic with tip jar and extra stuff on patron?
Sell individual chapters?
Sell the whole graphic novel as a single thing?
I already asked this on /aco/ but I still haven't heard a conclusive answer[/]
Nice try, Satan, but even sarcasm won't make us accept your faustian bargains for talent!
We're gonna make it like every other great artist before us - by praying really hard to god and hoping we're gonna wake up one day and suddenly know how to draw.
Intellectual property isnt the same as physical property~
It follows new and different rules and as a business person your goal! Is to take advantage of that. Complaining about what was in the past ain't gonna get you anywhere
I sell all mine as issues on gumroad. I don't know if it's the best but I usually make 500-600 an issue at first and still get trickle.
If you set it so it has a minimum but people can donate more a lot of people usually will.
From the old thread:
> Manga Studio decided to merge all the baloons and ignore the overlapping tails as I rasterized the layer. Kill me now.
Did you have all the balloons on one layer? It's a useful feature in MS that it will combine multiple speech balloon vector shapes on the same layer into a single balloon, but you need to be aware it's going to do that.
I think ideally each individual text unit should be on its own layer, with its own speech balloon attached to that layer.
Note that you can have multiple text blocks on the same layer. Watch the cursor when you go to add a new piece of text; if you're close enough to an existing piece of text, it will have a + on it, and will insert the new text into the same layer as the existing text.
If the cursor has a "sheet of paper with folded corner", then it will put the new text on a new layer.
Next page is on the site tho.
It isn't "a comic." It's individual stories.
I know you're probably baiting to get someone to respond but what about that makes you think it's a lie?
#1 started through paypal. #3 Also sold on Patreon.
There's a guy that frequents these threads that makes up stuff about his comics and their success, but it's clear he's talking out his ask.
May I ask who you are or at least see a sample of your work?
I'm curious if my own porn is good enough to make any money.
I have a patreon for Ennui GO! Patrons get to see the uncensored strips.
I'd honestly rather have a tip jar system, where everyone gets to see the titties and if people like me they can pay me to work. I think that's a bit more honest. But so far my paywall is working alright.
this guy has posted art many times before, this is the first and only time he has ever posted about what his product actually is, what money he's making, or anything like that.. so you're thinking of someone else.
Mostly just link it on Deviantart which is where most of them hang out. I could probably do more but I have hang ups about drive by linking things.
You can get banned for advertising you know. Even if "other people do it too" I wouldn't put it past you chucklefucks to report me since you're so salty today. I'm not hiding who I am.
no. i don't know if he ever had a name. he just posts very samefacey and extremely well drawn (and colored) pictures of this super beefy guy, these slightly homely old pregnant ladies, and this satyr demon guy.
strangely similar to another we briefly had where a faggy guy on a bike runs into a demon and they get all fagtastic on each other.
Crawling progress, still waiting on an inset panel to be scanned and sent over before finishing.
Penciller and I are in disagreement over the water in the first panel here - I'm trying for simple, almost flat colours, and he's pushing for more detail and more of a realistic rendering of an ocean.
Anyone got any thoughts?
They do get scanned altogether but my penciller and I definitely tweak the hell out of the panel layout digitally.
There's a panel here that need flipping for it to be spatially possible, for example (I need to get on with that) and then I'll neaten out the gutters later too.
Need to get in habit of sharing link, even if only one page up so far.
The text bubble in the first panel is a bit cramped at "another".
I don't know about the rendering, but I'd definitely make the water darker to imply depth and make the ship stand out better.
>trying to do backgrounds take 120
Its the only thing keeping me from atleast trying to do a webcomic, is this enough? I know its shit but would people still read something with such art.
Very good call. Jagged bubble will be going with the inset panel that's being waited on, which will be a tv screen, so it might change quite a bit to fit that, but yes, you're right, it definitely needs more space with the jags hitting the text like that.
Pic is the colour test I did a while back when trying to figure out the page with some of the penciller's rough sketches - trying for 60s bright colours that they loved on Thunderbirds and Stingray, where everything had to push the boundaries of the new colour tvs.
Clean it up (the lines are waay too feathery) and I'd say that's pretty good. Try to keep it fairly light unless it's important - drawing a background that doesn't distract from the actual action is an art of its own.
Lines are hard, yo.
How would you guys feel about this design for a main character? I'm not sure if she's too weird to have appeal.
turtle lair / 10
oh hey it's frog witch! I always liked her
I'm not super fond of the 90 degree angle that the spiral at the end of the hat takes, I think I'd rather see it just go straight and then curl
wasnt expecting the long bristly digitigrade legs either. Kinda unbalanced, possibly too long.. but I'd have to see her in action before making a final judgment
leg hair is fine, especially on something that aint even human (though it's odd seeing it on a frog thing.) but maybe not THAT much busy hair detail in a style that doesn't even have nostrils. I'd like to see just a few hairs along the trailing edge, that way it hints at there being more without your eye being glued there.
fine as frog's hair. aw yeah
About the legs, I probably should have mentioned, she's only standing up here so you can see her properly - the idea was she'd usually go around in a frog stance so the reader would only really notice how huge they were when she stretches them out to jump or kick or something.
You mean something like on the bottom right? I considered it, but the extra bend feels like it would help her stand out in a lineup of witches.
Yeah, I figured the hairy legs wouldn't be super popular but it's kinda sorta on purpose - like, if her legs are smooth she feels too neat, when she's supposed to give off a bit of a "weirdo mutant freak" vibe, and putting leg hair on an amphibian seemed like it would really drive the point home that she's a freak of nature. (it also fits well with her character's lack of hygiene)
Well for once I can't claim I didn't know about the character beforehand, but in my defense it's really hard to make an appealing frog person without having them look pretty similar.
I see your point about the over-detailing. Gonna see about toning it down a bit.
yeah I assumed as much about the frog legs, but frogs don't go on tiptoe (well they do while totally crawling sometimes)
and their knees don't stick up over their shoulders like that. So I'd still shorten them a little (another fun frog anatomy tip, they have a really long pelvis. i think it looks neat!)
and yeah that other hat is better I think. I'm with you though, being unique is fun.. howbout have the same bend, but a sharper angle, and in the opposite direction? So more like a number 2 attached to her hat?
in fact, just because I had such a vivid picture in my head, this is how I'd do her anats
and if it's not your bag, I'll use it myself!
I guess if I take some length of her legs and add it to her feet I could still achieve something like pic related when she jumps while having her legs be more human length.
Yeah that hat's really not doing it for me.
Thanks for the feedback dude, definitely given me some stuff to consider.
cool, glad I could help
one more bit of unsolicited feedback, if youre gonna lengthen the feet, just lengthen the toes. Granted you have this neat kinda dinosaurish stub-toed look right now, but long ones would enhance her weird mutant look. she could grab things with them!
Possible villain for the Peaceoneers.
Or just me dicking around with a new stylus.
Don't know whether this has been considered for the OP links (or whether it is better covered elsewhere) but I found this really useful for getting the formatting right for writing the Peaceoneers script:
I'm guessing I meant skull paint, but it very obviously does read as sixing paint.
The penciller's sketchy take on the chicken, which will feature as a one panel throwaway in the little rogues gallery scene.
I really like the Colonel Tsunami he did beside him. I don't know what I expected from a Colonel Tsunami, but that definitely looks like a Colonel Tsunami.
Today's comic, had to take a quick nap and head to work right after upload this morning so finally showing it on /co/ too.
>tfw you hate a page after inking it, and you have to redo the damn thing.
At least it came out better the second time, and I had time to redo it. How's everyone's day so far. Pretty bummed out when I heard about Bowie.
Enter main antagonist for this chapter and his body guard.
I usually go to spotify (I used to live in Grooveshark before) and pick different albums according to the mood or mindset I'd like to set.
Today, I'm listening to Sarah Brightman. Hoping I manage to make a new strip and paint the Sentai pic I made yesterday.
Thanks guys, one comic that was a big influence for my approach to expressions was One Piece, though I've loved drawing weird faces before reading it too!
It depends, for this current page >>78912805
I was playing back a lot of jazz but I want to branch out some more in terms of genre in the future. I tend to listen to some rap fairly often because I'm the type to replay some things I like a million times over before feeling tired of it/
So begins the greatest story ever told.
How will our heroes survive being... TRAPPED IN THE CHEAP-O MART??
Gonna be doing a story arc where a bunch of characters are stuck in a wallmart analogue for a few weeks. Figured now was as good a time as any to start.
Ditto. I've been asked to put my vidya comics on certain circles on DeviantArt, but it wasn't because what I did was good per se, they wanted the vidyart.
I find that there is no greater demotivator for me that a very cold room.
I cannot work if I'm cold.
But here's what's worse! If I open the heat vent in my room, I will not be able to stop sneezing. The dust from the attic is insane.
I just thought I'd share.
Managed to finish this. I'm way too sleepy to notice any mistake ATM, but I promise to look after them once I wake up. From the top of my head, Ebony and Amazon are too similar in colour, I may have to re-colour one of them later.
Hope you like it. I'll try to get a full design for each for you to see.
My first ever completed ad.
What do you guys think?
Fingerless gloves. Just throwing it out there. Or more nudes. I'd be fine with that.
Just like for my Japanese manga!
That's a compliment.
Looks great! I dunno why, I keep thinking Megaman.
I'd imagine that all the really, really, REALLY bad and obscure stuff is left behind. There should be a comic where Bear Grylls is surviving in there as well but it turns out he can leave at any time and just stays at a Target instead.
I don't know if I'd have the patience to finish a page and then start from scratch again. More power to you!
Very nice! Love "villain escapes but fails miserable in the process" humor.
Thanks, man. Yeah, I probably need to use more reference on that one.
The top two figure's color scheme are very similar. Its hard to make out their individual silhouettes. I suggest using thick outer-lines or some sort of rim lights or color contrast to distinguish them more.
I like the design tho, looking forward to the comic. They look like fun characters.
Here is the page I was working on last night. It was penciled mostly, but its replaced with makers today. The sound effect panels hadn't turn out as well as I had hope but it'll do for now.
Unf. Love that BOOM. SFX that use panels like that are always great.
For sure. From Snake Eater face camo to Peace Walker goons in big parkas.
So many names for a one panel throwaway. I like 'Fowl Play', penciller suggested 'Chicken Big' which is golden...also 'Ruester', 'Smother Hen', 'Fat Cock'...I quite like my 'Cock Strangler' but that might be too on the nose.
Maaan, I don't understand your metaphors.
Thanks! Although I always worry those can become distracting, I am never really good with using sound words tho.
Here is next page, I haven't shaded it yet. I am reworking the dialogues.
What annabeth is gonna look like next chapter.
Side burns babee
You don't improve your art by tirelessly satisfying deadlines (even nebulous ones) either.
It takes introspection to improve.
And it takes time and space to introspect.
don't bother with the people in these threads, anon. any sort of criticism is viewed as shitposting. the people in this thread just wait to be praised for their mediocre art and stories
I said I would do that after the current chapter.
Also this is me improving my art, improving how my characters look.
And I don't know if I want to take a whole month off because of how many people said I shouldn't.
It's to make Annabeth look more boyish and ambiguous.
Probably Kiwi day N, I actually thought about doing a crossover chapter for a while, then decided against it.
The gang trying (and failing) to do a case with The Sisters would be fun too.
Alot of these characters in these threads have appeared in the comic though, usually as students in the school.
Dewd when you give someone facial hair that's not boyish, that's straight up a masculine male man.
I think >>78923939 is giving you very good advice here - The feeling I get from your work is that you're churning these pages out at a speed where you're not really capable of stepping back, taking a deep breath and going "okay, how do I make this better" because the second you get something that kind of works, you're already moving on to the next page. That moment of reflection is the key to getting better. I think it would be a very good idea to work that into your schedule once you're done with your break (that doesn't necessarily mean "update less" - just having a buffer and working on several pages at once would give you a huge benefit).
Clinically dead. You need a doctor to declare someone legally dead (laypeople can "assume" that someone's dead, and have it recognized legally, but that's only in really obvious cases like "I found this severed head, I'm pretty sure he's dead".) /pedant
Prooobably The Green Knight is the best fit. KWN is also an option but I don't know how I'd write it. I did consider a short Sarah/Skalmöld joke but eh.
I do not even know how I would even start to work on multiple pages at once...
Would that mean, like, doing all of the line art and then doing all the color or something?
Also about the side burns, I'm sticking with it because I think it looks cute.
Also, I do usually take breaks in between pages then check them later to see if there are any errors.
I'm with Dewd on this one actually - lots of women have sideburns, though it is more common in non-caucasians. So it fits with Annabeth's appearance. You probably don't realize how many women naturally have sideburns because we get rid of them after being told we shouldn't.
>Looks great! I dunno why, I keep thinking Megaman.
Megaman was a great part of my youth, so I don't think it's an coincidence, though I didn't plan for it to be like this specifically.
Yeah, that's what I said about recolouring one of 'em. I'm looking into it now to see what colour should I use for the top one. By the way, love how you made a panel out of an onomatopoeia.
You love sideburns, huh? Saw that picture of yours before. Also, thanks for >>78919056
I remember coming to this threads around the time people made turn your guy into a girl. Man are you finally taking off with this?
Being a slice of life, I can't think of a crossover that suits what I do. Maybe with Omega I can think of Kiwi Day, or West Tree, maybe Melee?
Let's say you're updating daily.
>day 1: do the layout and sketch for page 1
>day 2: layout and sketch page 2, ink page 1
>day 3: layout and sketch page 3, ink page 2, color page 1
As opposed to doing all of page 1 on day one, this gives you three days of looking at each page and being able to go "hey, this would work better if I did this other thing instead". Doing it before you get too far in the process means you're in a much better position to actually fix things.
Didn't know that bit of hair was considered sideburns. Still, the ones AB's sporting seems waay too masculine to belong to a woman.
I guess I can try that next chapter.
But I often get hasty and work on the next page (because I have too much free time and get bored easily) what do I do then? And I'm also worried that I'll forget to do a page until it's too late because that's how forgetful I am.
Also, I guess I can tone down the hair a little bit on the sideburns.
If you've got extra time you don't know what to do with, I'd suggest sketching more pages so you have even more time to think of how to improve them or (and this is the part where I find I really improve) redrawing pages you've already sketched out - like Cleese sez up in that video that never gets linked right, your second idea is usually better than your first. Or you can do some serious studyin' on your problem areas or just go enjoy your free time.
As to forgetting, get a calendar and have it remind you.
I'll think about this. I'm not sure if I want to do this, just thinking about this system stresses me out honestly, and to be honest, sometimes there are pages that aren't sketched out and I just go straight to line art.
Also, there's that expression, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And im already like 20 pages ahead with my current system.
And I like pretty much all the pages of the current chapter and nothing that I wish I could have done different.
But as I said before, I'll think about it.
Well anon, you're fooling only yourself if you really believe that you're going to improve at all while you "take time off from art". Take a break all you want, but your art isn't going to magically get better and you're not going to be gaining "introspect". You'll be like all those kids who browse Tumblr or Deviantart all day believing that they're actually improving their drawing skills by doing nothing but look at other people's art all day long.
Good luck. Don't be disappointed when you come back and find yourself in the same spot you were when you left.
Hot off the baking rack!
It's Will Draw for Food!
"Will Draw For Food Guy"
Cold Fusion guy is banned for something trivial.
He wants pic related.
>Well anon, you're fooling only yourself if you really believe that you're going to improve at all while you "take time off from art".
It's taking a break from constantly doing the same bloody thing over and over.
You don't get better at playing Street Fighter 2 by only picking one character ever. You gotta switch over to Dhalsim sometimes, and see what you were taking for granted when you were playing Ken all those times.
>if it ain't broke, don't fix it
If it ain't broke, why do so many people think your results suck?
>And I like pretty much all the pages of the current chapter and nothing that I wish I could have done different.
In that case I suggest you search them until you find something you wish you'd done differently. I cannot overstate the importance of learning to recognize your mistakes.
Taking some time off today to work on my raven-lady martial artist's portrait. Yesterday I got two more pages inked though. I think that level of quality is sustainable for twice a week updates, though it's certainly lost some quality.
Who knows how that would happen though? Sarah's spell going wrong? Something gone wrong with SD's tech?
And these may be something that could be resolved at the end of that future chapter.
Maybe annabeth is gonna age in a completely different way.
It's the element of mystery that I love to shroud my series with.
But making a comic is the same thing over and over again.
Are you saying I should do the comic in a different style? Because I have a few styles I could try out.
Then I guess annabeth will have square shaped ear tails.
Next page is on the site!
>But making a comic is the same thing over and over again.
That's why you can't just do a comic and expect to improve, yes. You don't necessarily have to try out a "new style", but you definitely should study things like anatomy, composition and perspective to figure out how best to incorporate them in your comic.
Is it okay to make a comic in a sketchy style like so? It may be lazy but trying to do cleanup lineart kills me and takes all the fun and personality out of it. Either this or I try and grit my teeth with the binary tool
I only draw it when I feel my farmers blood burning because of David willis doing stupid shit.
So it's on a hiatus for now. But it will return probably soon.
But I do try to do something new that I've never done every few pages, chapter 14 had alot of these, and this chapter had the cast in winter outfits I've never experimented before, usually it's just the generic shirt with a different color.
This comic has alot of experimentation.
>Also this is me improving my art, improving how my characters look.
>And I don't know if I want to take a whole month off because of how many people said I shouldn't.
If it's really you forgetting your trip and not some shitposter, then you're beyond help. Have fun going the Dobson-Jacques way.
Well, I just don't like it when people say I don't try to incorporate things in to my comic like perspective and anatomy when I definetly do.
What I'm basically saying is don't tell me that I don't do something when I do.
The problem with sketchy stuff is that once you get more than a few elements in a shot it rapidly becomes really hard to make sense of. If you've got some way to make sure that isn't gonna be a problem, then go ahead. I'd suggest at least getting rid of totally superfluous lines like the part of her head that's under her hair, though.
>winter outfits I've never experimented before
Honestly Dewd, it seems like you're trying to run before you can walk. You're more in need of working on much more basic stuff like line weight, form, posing and composition than superficial stuff like different styles of clothing.
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This is the very first West Tree page.
You cannot seriously tell me that he has not already improved immensely.
You can go back to stuff a year ago and two years ago and, I don't know, maybe three, and you'll clearly see slow, steady improvement.
It's not particularly fast improvement, but that doesn't matter. I've seen improvement in the time I've been here.
Can't say the same for others.
Don't let him change the subject, anon. He was trying to argue that Dewd doesn't improve, and then when you posted evidence to the contrary he just tries to weasel out of it like a huge pussy.
Freckles or no freckles? I'm trying to make Maude cute, but maybe not over the top cute.
I've been popping in and out rarely over the course of the last year. And finally I've started writing shit out, having a writefag friend help out.
Took me a while to find one that wasn't trying to turn my idea into their idea.
I'm gonna go over and redesign these two to be better/more unique. Kind of hard to figure out what a fist wizard would wear.
it would help if I actually posted the image, wouldn't it
>tfw the holidays funk you down and you don't touch a pencil for 3 weeks
I was in such a good mood art-wise all year long but December just killed me for some reason. Now I'm trying to pick up drawing again and it feels like dragging a boulder up a mountain.
Might be all that holiday food. Take some vitamin C and go for a walk to get that blood pumpin.
This looks pretty kick ass so far. Keep it up.
I'll play around with that idea when I get home. Just got out of work and I'm currently warming up my car before I take off. Will upload more Maude. I'm currently in the mood to draw more of her to help loosen my hand.
Also testing out breaking Manga Studio.
Leafy gets a little bit angry in the upcoming epilouge
nice to see you again! last i remember you were redesigning them and I was disappoint in some of the choices for the girl (you were gonna lop off that perfect nose!)
as for a fist wizard's clothes... yeah something beyond overalls. Maybe a baldrick with amulets on it. Maybe a caplet (that shoulder thingy sherlock holmes has attached to his coat, but without the long coat). definitely a big ol' belt with a big ol' belt buckle.. and some gauntlets are a must.
Alright, got flats done. I have a comic fury page for my comic and a drunk duck page but I'm thinking I should have a tumblr for it now. I like having back ups.
Hmmmmm maybe call it 'I KNEW IT!'
either way I like this idea. The only other thing I can think of to add to the title is dependent upon what KIND of paranormal stuff happens.
>Don't Escape 3 crossover confirmed
The paranormal things start off really small (Objects being in weird places, animals doing strange things ect.) then she stumbles upon a cult performing a strange ritual and they progressively grow (Strange monsters tormenting her/putting her life in danger)
...yeah. Things are about to get worse than that though. Wait until I start rendering it.
My names are lame and bad.
South of Weird
Girl VS Evil
oh okay. so more magical creepy shit, not so much bigfoots and nessies. Righto. maybe something like Weirded Out or The Relatively Interesting Life of Main Character's Name
if her initials are BY then you get 'trilby'
Character or place names might be good. What's the name of the town? Or the middle school? Is there a monster she investigates in the first part with a good name? Maybe "the Blank Blank and Other Tales."
in the third panel, shouldn't that second balloon be miss birch?
also not to be a picknitting dicksausage but it's generally not a great idea for the first panel of a comic to follow THAT directly from the previous, literally finishing the thought. Best to just make one long comic in that case.
I'd rather have a 1% chance of being successful than a 0% chance. And the only way for it to be 0% is to not try at all.
90% of the people here won't make it.
10% of the people here will. That 10% will make it because they did not give up, they did not let criticism discourage them, and they did not stop making comics and doing what they love to do.
I aim to be in that 10%
Big thankout to Carrion Girls guy for inspiring the guards' armor from a fanart he did one time.
I am embarrassed I never drew guards here before. All the other major castles I drew guards.. and this is the home of main characters! we DID see their crossbow corps once, but that's more the army
first panel was a last minute addition. it definitely goes in the pile for "jokes my parents will never get, and if I explained them it wouldn't be funny anymore"
not that it's terribly funny now. I considered leaving it out like four times.
>Have a great idea for a webcomic
>Got stories, characters, and everything else thought out and I love every bit of it
>Can draw decently, but only single characters standing in a normal pose, because I haven't learned to do anything else other than that
>Can't draw scenery, really detailed emotions, or even simple stuff like houses and shit
I know I know, I need to practice, but shit man I really want this project to get started asap
Start comic. Draw different perspectives and poses and scenery that you need. Use references. Get better while drawing the comic. The chances that your first comic will be "perfect" from the get go are actually zero anyway, so better have fun and get better while doing so.
Mostly drawn with a mouse because I'm a lazy shit.
Based on a tr00 story.
heh. i once saw a pigeon glide for a ludicrously long amount of time, 3 inches above the ground, without flapping. theyre bugs in the matrix i tell you
so what's in the garbage bag
Hey there anons!
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That's the problem though, I have done both of these things
I've even done repeats of character sheets because I've had this idea for years now, and I've actually seen me get better at this stuff. Just recently I finally came up with the full story so both of those things are complete
The only thing left is my incompetence and me not knowing the basics of scenery or even how to make anything that isn't a character I've drawn over the past couple months
Not the best place to start, I recommend Tapastic, or your own website.
I'm expanding my audience and driving traffic towards my Tapastic site (and in the near future, my own website) to drive Ad Revenue and make more money.
DeviantArt, as far as my knowledge of it goes, has steadily been lowering in quality since 2008. But, its still a great place to build a fanbase if you don't have one.
You really want to see these NSFW things, don't you?
Sorry bro, I never hang on to them for long. I usually delete them after I send them off to my clients. I get paranoid about that stuff on my computer.
nah it's not that i desperately want them or anything. I'm just curious. every day for a while now I check your comic and tapastic is all 'join us lol' and i'm like 'no' and it's like 'but this guy drew nsfw things' and the comments are all 'this isnt even nsfw what the hell' and now i REALLY wanna see them.
Oh, haha, it wasn't even that bad.
Here, I'll post it now that I know what you're looking for.
>that thing where you don't want to sound desperate and crazy so you don't specify what you're asking for, but in the process people don't know what you're asking for
pretty tired of that happening all the time. but i've tried being myself. nobody responds properly to that!
Yes. Once you've made a webcomic and met certain requirements (a.k.a. Not fresh off the boat) then you can participate in their Ad Revenue program.
I'm making $0.06 for every 100 views.
It's not bad; mo' views, mo' money.
WIP of the next page!
though there are some spoilers though, so read at your own risk!
I was already beyond any minimum that was set when they initiated the program.
Don't go into making webcomics because you want to make money, go into because you want to share your story. The money is secondary.
No, no, I've been doing this for almost a year now with no other intention than to tell a story and entertaining a few people. The idea that I can make some pocket change off of it is entirely new to me. Maybe some day.
Just don't think of it as your traditional 40 hours a week, for 40k a year kind of job.
Being an artist of any kind usually means you'll be receiving your finances in small doses, passively, from multiple sources. You need to slowly build your empire, and if you can find a source that you'll make even less than a dollar while doing nothing for, explore that source.
You'll get there, anon.
Right, no, I've got the well paying career job anyway. I do this as a hobby and making money would just be a little padding to declare on income taxes. Pay the gardener to do the backyard as well as the front. Maybe take some art classes at the community college.
Felt like doodling these two.
Kind of wish I could start this comic too, but I'm too busy with Little Bot.
Thanks. I think she looks better too now. Although, I feel a little bad abandoning the old design. Sentimental attachment, and stuff.
I'm probably going to put the old design into another story, if she fits into it. Not as a main character though.
I was actually planning to have Carrion Girl's main characters as background characters at one point; problem is that it would be for the THIRD arc of the story, so I hope CG is still ongoing by then, at least to keep it more relevant
Kiwi Day N could also work, since that world is also a mismash of various mythologies and many characters walk around topless.
>Thanks! Although I always worry those can become distracting, I am never really good with using sound words tho.
Don't be, I think lettering is usually one of the most neglected aspects of comics; for too many artists (inclusing too many professional ones), I feel they see it almost as an afterthough. It's good to have the lettering as a part of the illustration, it's something comics can do that no other medium really can. Obviously it also dépends on the tone of the comic and you shouldn't overload your page with them, but one nice onomatopaeas really give pages more energy
I really like Joseph Campbell style story circles. Adding character growth is an easy way of creating a story that feels complete and narratively satisfying, and doing story circles for at least two of your main characters (more for subplots or taste) can create a really nice skeleton to build the plot events around.
So just start abstract doing story circles, then figure out what events could facilitate each stage.
This one's even simpler.
Each stage of the circle doesn't need to get equal time in the plot, and you can always tell the circle in a less linear fashion. It can be great for going against reader expectation too, as they will more than likely expect each stage to happen on some level, as they're so typical to how we think of narratives being constructed. It all feels like very natural progression.
Then again, I'm no expert. I'm on a learning curve here too, this is just what helped me. Story circles, plot summary, then I did page by page breakdowns then script.
You think you have problems with cold?
>Pic related, a morning necessity.
I heard that!
"If I were a rich man, ba da daa bi di ba doooooe!!!"
http://www.writeaboutdragons.com/ has a bunch of lectures on writing genre fiction. I got a lot out of it.
If you missed it, the OP also has some good links, especially "Invisible Ink".
Page 2 WIP
It's funny to draw a background only to realize it'll be covered by text anyway.
Are there any useful figure construction tools in Manga Studio?
Let's say your you want to draw figure, top of the head is there, bottom of the heel is there. So you draw a vertical line. Now let's say you want your figure to be 7.5 heads tall (or six or 8 or whatever). Is there a way to automatically divide that line into however many even segments you want?
I find when I just free hand a line into so many segments, something ends up off.
I guess I could just draw one segment, and than copy and paste that 8 times or whatever to form the whole line manually. But I think there must be an easier way to do it.
Does anyone know anything about A3 scanners? It's find to hard any on shopping sites.
Also, who else is doing a Web comic as an artistic exercise and how do you feel about operating outside of your comfort zone? I feel like I can draw a passable character but suck at everything else. I'm finding it really hard to translate my drawing into a setting as well, so the props feel totally unnatural in their interaction with the characters.
Oh well, mo' practice, mo' skills.
I really don't think the Campbell model works, even its in vaguer iterations. Watching movies, I can tell when they're being used. Having characters pass through an arbitrary set of stages (puportedly universal) in their development AT THE VERY BEST limits you to characters who would go through their development like this naturally. At WORST is means you're forcing them into decisions that don't make sense.
I pretty much agree with Film Critic Hulk: good stories are a sequence of meaningful choices and their consequences. Read his takedown of this structuring:
That's more for the classic circle. For the newer (Dan Harmon version) story circle, I'll remind you that people don't necessarily make choices from a place of comfort because of desire. That's more or less describing Dan Harmon's decision process: he lives a comfortable life, his problems are all his neurosis and ambitions. On the other hand, take a character who's in a shit situation, and they're in a place of discomfort. They might immediately do something that has a huge cost, step 6, to get out of that situation. They then have to adapt to their new picture of themselves.
The character could also be a comfortable person who wants nothing. Telling their story of their comfortable situation, how it works, could show us a lot about a person. There doesn't need to be growth, just revelation, to interest the reader. The lives of virtuous people, for example, are interesting precisely because of their habits. You just need an interesting situation.
This also kneecaps any writer looking to tell a story about an idea and not a character, where the development of the characters isn't really important so much as their use as a kind of medium of illustration. If you wanted to tell the story of a city, what life in it was like, that sort of thing, you might not need to go past 1 and 3: the potential for change is interesting.
You could just use a regular A4 scanner and scan it in pieces and piece it together in GIMP/Photoshop/Manga Studio. It's a little more time consuming, but worth it if you haven't got the money or scanner big enough. I work on 11X17 paper, and I usually scan it in 4 parts. It's enough to get the job done.
>Also, who else is doing a Web comic as an artistic exercise
I am, not sure about the artistic part though.
>how do you feel about operating outside of your comfort zone?
I am not operating outside of my comfort zone, so I wouldn't know. It would probably be unpleasant.
eee that would literally be tits
yeah i put skeggy and skalmy in the background and that worked great. theyre so 'background' yknow? what with the different physiques.
I may just have a frogman with a fairy sometime.. that'd be more of an homage.
>webcomic as an artistic exercise
I consider it more of a writing exercise. There's nothing artistic about this. Illustrative sure, but that's pretty far from proper art.
>how do you feel about operating outside your comfort zone
Drawing anything is outside my comfort zone. I'm always uncomfortable.
yeah but it was gliding so slowly, it looked like it was hovering.. and its wings werent moving.. wtf.
you know, i'm liking this enough to start reading it all now. good show. and i like the angel/bat tesselated background, but it's just slightly off in ways that rustle my OCD
is that a.. rolled-up sock wearing tiny panties?
hmmm.. very 00s cartoon. this could be neat. but pay careful attention to the elbow joint on the popeye arm, right now it doesn't look like you are as much as you did on the shoulder joints.
Usually when birds are doing that they've caught a draft that is opposite to their direction of flight. They can use it to just hover. If you watch gulls or buzzards they catch them to just scope out the area.
Also, it's a hot water bottle you donut.
There we go. Too bad I forgot to copy the reply on the scanner, but long story short, scanning to A4 is rubbish if you want to make an A3 size document.
It's expensive, but an A3 scanner will be the better choice if the budget allows it.
>The problem with scanning in pieces is that both sides most of the time never match, and I personally find a drag to fix every line that didn't.
I have the regular A4 scanner, so If I need something bigger I do it in parts and make sure every piece doesn't exceeds the A4 paper size.
I have an example to show I think, but it's rubbish now, maybe when I work on it a bit more.
Does this look as bad as I think it does or is this acceptable webcomic quality?
Yeah, that's the problem I'm facing. I started on A3 because it gave me more room to work with but I haven't been compensating to combine it from multiple pieces.
Annoyingly most scanners that come up in a search for A3 scanners are actually about 2-3 inches too small in their scan area, for some ridiculous reason.
Those arms are actually made to stick out straight. The big hand things are grappling hands that shoot out with a wire.
But, I realized it'd be better if they just shot something from their wrist instead. I'm working on more concepts.
Thank you kindly!
I've got a question to ask you. Next chapter, new characters will be introduced, starting with the black guy down on the left in pic related.
What I wanted to ask is if the design could come up as tacky. One of my friends said he seems like a case of blackface, and I think she has a point, even though that wasn't my purpose.
Thing is, I wanted him to have a goofy face that would contrast his personality, considering he is pretty much a overachiever genius.
But, sad as it is, and doing generic animu style for years, I lack practice to draw racial attributes properly.
Anyway, take a look and gimme your thoughts. I'm open for suggestions for new designs too.
The biggest difference between this design and its final is that I want him to be a bit bulkier with muscle, but what I'm concerned now is the face.
Yes. That is because I'm attempting to upload two pages a week, more than halving the time I have to work per page. Right now I'm trying to find an acceptable level of quality to downgrade to which is feasible in the timespan I've got per page (roughly 2-4 workhours). The prior pages had something like 4-7 per page.
>who else is doing a Web comic as an artistic exercise
Kinda? I mean it's not high art, but I try to put a bit of message and soul into it.
>how do you feel about operating outside of your comfort zone?
I think the classic comfort - earning/flow - panic model applies fairly well to me. I've often found that when I get really bored with a page, it's because I lack a challenge and that I grind to a crashing halt in fear when I can't visualize how I'm going to reach the completed state of a page.
Pic related; I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing with this "climax" but I sure hope it works out in the end.
Well that and he tried to run away three pages ago and it failed super hard because of ghost hax.
I think what I'm going for is an equal mix of bravado masking fear, actual overconfidence, spite, and denial in the face of death. But man, writing is HARD.
Also it sure is a good thing there's only one guy named Asbiorn in the area or this could've been a really embarrassing episode for our protagonists.
well more to the point he doesn't have very big lips or a potato nose
lots of black people have big lips and a potato nose. it's not racist, but it's not very attractive... so if you're gonna have multiple black folk you can split up the features a bit so not everyone's the same, but if you only have ONE that's where things get tricky.
basically because that's how a lotta racisty shit happens in the first place, you have a town that only has one of whatever, and thus they don't have a big enough reference pool. But that's how real life is, sometimes there's just one of something in an area.
It also helps if the mouth isn't one big connected ring. Nobody has lips like that, so it reminds people of the old blackface where they would literally paint lips around their mouth.. though that has nothing to do with black people since they would paint in WHITE lips, it was really more of a clown thing. Something with a lot of basis in old european folk characters who were literally black and probably had nothing to do with africans
point is look up how to draw some rrl lips and that will help.
Hmm, Selena is also black, you can see her in the same pic and the strip I posted earlier, she has rounder cheeks and the nose a bit lower than the rest. She's also have big lips, but she wears make up, so it's always chocolate coloured, but that's make up, so it doesn't count.
I think I'll make his eyes smaller, like I did with Leslie, the blonde girl, and try new noses for the time being.
It's not a matter of being hard, but tedious, because lines don't always match, even if they match in the original pic.
I tried before to do more realistic lips, but it looks weird, so I dunno. I'll try again, that pic is almost 2 years old, and I changed a lot since then, and it's probably I can make it work this time. Time to hit the drawing board.
>Wanted to play Bioshock 2
>Too afraid to play it
>Wanted to make comics
>outlining it and wanted to make it simple for the people.
First world Life is so complicated.
oh i always took her for mildly-hispanic
but yeah you cant go wrong with a simple flat nose. that's the most common type for black people and it looks pretty good.
oddly enough when trying to make goodlooking and distinctly-racial characters sometimes it helps to look at mean stereotypes and make them nice. like the whole ape thing. avery brooks looks like a gorilla and he's handsome as fuck.
it looks relatively alright. just unfinished. all the lines blend together.
anyone can recognize those 'beginner with sai' type lines, you just need more practice til you get more hand control.
I asked a few threads ago if she could pass as a black girl, because I thought the shade I was using was too light; but people here said it was ok.
I'm still re-colouring the first chapter for the new website, should I try to make her skin a bit darker?
I guess her name doesn't help either, but that I cannot change.
Hand control's alright - not masterful but not terrible - I also draw with stabilization. Issue is that I don't have the time to correct any mistakes and have to do each line in one stroke - all of that is unedited/corrected whereas in prior pages I spent a lot of time smoothing out the lines and redrawing some of them.
Selena does have round lips, but like I said, that's make up, other than that, this guy is the only.
Well, Irene has round lips too, but she's Hispanic, though her roundness overall is not related to race.
I can understand not liking it, but it's not like I have a big streak of those. Anyway, I'll be re-doing it for the time being.
I wouldn't either, but given the circumstances I don't own a scanner big enough for 11X17 for now, it's a pretty good idea. Better than going to a print shop and paying them to scan it for you.
It's not the skin color (latinas can get pretty dang dark), it's the face. She looks more like a tan caucasoid than she does anything else with her pointy nose, straight dark hair, thin lips etc.
I don't know the situation where you guys are at, but around here most public libraries have a scanner (not always A3) you can use for free.
I like the art, and the panelling is good, however, I feel the writing isn't as good as it could be. The wording and choice of words seem off and its abit bland so far. Although its just started, I don't feel hooked at all whilst reading it.
So, here's a couple of question for next strip; the first one is, is it okay to talk about being an orphan in present tense? or should I put it in past tense?
She still doesn't have parents, but on the other hand she's an adult, so I'm not sure what would be more fitting.
The second one is the last dialogue bubble, Johnny has acknowledge the 4th wall before, but I have my doubts about keep that rolling. The other alternative is to make him ask her what the fuck is she talking about, so which one should I use?
Orphan is usually not used for adults, so I'd have him ask in the past tense.
Maybe have her answer "I kind of still am" or something.
Having her say "another episode" doesn't really feel like a 4th wall reference in itself. Have her mention that they've run out of panels or something, like "But let's leave that story for later - I can't summarize it in a single panel."
Maybe just have the dude eyeing her like wtf.
Time to throw up sketches and dumb bullshit. There's so many things I gotta fix for this. I think the tricky part is that I want the pose to look stiff and unnatural but in a natural way
I should never commission anyone with descriptive skills like that.
I keep wanting to do these stand alone images for my comic. I've got all these one shot of them interacting too. Maybe I should create an extras page for them or something.
Another wip to show. I'll be at the office tonight, doing a lot of work I piled, but I'll try to stick around.
lucky patrons. can't remember the last time someone drew ME some feet and bottles
man I hear you about time but you may have to face the reality that your chosen hobby takes a lotta time.
the issue is the top and bottom lip being connected in one big circle. i mean it's a cartoon thing, lots of them do it.. it's just that it's also a racial feature, and the two don't always mix in some people's eyes
particularly her forehead.
hm so you're not the artist, but the editor? because all I really have to say is about the art.. mainly that it's weird to have the hair in the eyes but then color it in with eye color
It's funny as long as you dont overdo it. So far this seems fine
as for the orphan thing, yeah, present tense
What? no. that's not how that works. orphan is still used for adults. but I like your 4th wall gag better
They're not perfect end-all models but they're still incredibly helpful for amateur writers that are still trying to figure out how a story works. You can't expect an uninitiated amateur to be able to firmly graps more subtle ways of storytelling if he can't see thru the story models that are present in an awful lot of the media he's exposed to daily.
And for the last point, authors have been using characters to express ideas since the beggining of time. For instance, Will Eisner's Dropsy Avenue tells the story of a street's life but can still be analyzed using the Campbell model quite efficiently.
I'm not sure what underlying themes to give my stories or how to properly implement them. But if I develop my characters effectively enough does the theme just sorta create itself based on their development over the course of the story?
it CAN do that, yes
I think it's best to let the story sort of flow on its own according to your general understanding of how stories work, and eventually something will start happening. or it might. Give it a shot and frequently re-read your story to see what it's building to.
Small updates, I have a few more pages that was done, let's see if people can make sense of it.
This page isn't as complete. I will still need to work on the shadings.
That's all for now, >>78922238 and >>78922443
follows this page.
I've been kinda busy, but here is a fast sketch!
Heh, yeah, the only issue is that I have a hard fime figuring out where to put them. For one I think either Robin or Sasha would be the most fitting, but fairies won't show up as often past this story are and it'll be a LONG while before werewolves show up again. Still, I do want to have even just a small with with KDN and CG because why not?
I actually used to do that when I first started, it IS frustrating, but you just need pacience
The main issue I have with the character design has more to do with the lack of concistency in the faces. As in, some characters look like they belong in different webcomics.
For example, the who white guys on the right almost seem to have a different style. Now, of course some manga like One Piece have had character who look radically different face-wise, but that fits OP because of the goofy variety of bodytypes.
Similarly, it the fact that the white guy and the black guy's faces look so different, coupled with the black guy's face looking more like a cartoon's that makes him look more like a caricature within your comic; if every white guy looked like the one on top that wouldn't be an issue. If anything, I think the only thing you need to make the black guy more concistent within your comic would be to change that nose to something that's just a flatter version of what the other characters have
>I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing with this "climax" but I sure hope it works out in the end.
Dude you worry too fucking much; you're stuff's good; sometimes a bit slow, but good. Plus that scene's had a great buildup to it
So I need to get bunch of pages for a bunch of projects done. Everything is sketched, I just have to do everything else. Can someone give me a step by step of how they'd get a bunch of pages done as quickly as possible?
I finally have the time to return to a webcomic that I almost started some ten to fifteen years ago. I am still working on character designs, so it's not ready to share yet.
Thanks for asking, OP
Allright /hyw/, what would happen if you had enough visitors to crash your servers?
Not that'll it happen any time soon, but let's be optimistic
For almost no reason at all, which do you think is better, vision visors or glasses?
A more clear pic of vision visor annabeth.
I'm confused too.
It's not even the way the words are phrased, but the lack of clarity makes the sharkguy comic's page hard to read. Even some better punctuation could help, like "You! Speak WORDS!!!"
Right right, and though my fairies are default barbie-sized, robin's a halffairy so she'd do fine with your usual smallhuman sorta fairies.
it's like I have a character I want to put in, to put in another of my friends, but she's an elf, and elves are pretty limited in this setting.. gotta stick near their forests kokiri-style.. so that's not gonna come up for a while.
but of course cameos can be modified slightly to fit. it can just be people wearing similar outfits sometimes and you go AHHH LOOK
I like how earthy draws a huge variety of different faces. at least I think I like it. I do the same thing. Buuut it is weird if you aren't used to it.
there is such a cuddliness to your art, you know that?
visors are always better (but they go in front of bangs) and neither suits anna. i could MAYBE see her in ski goggles
>Have something I think is a really good concept
>Try to tell art friends thinking they'd be interested
>"haha pretty cool anon, so anyways..."
This is the worst feel.
I know it just hurts the motivation is all.
Less about it taking time and more about maybe not having enough time to do what I'd like to do with it. That'd be a shame because I'd then have to drop to 1 comic/week and the story'll take forever (read: 3~ years) to tell.
I tell you I don't know how professional comic artists do this stuff. Takes me a good half of a week to do a page - but they put out comics every month or so that are at least 20-30 pages. Even the solo acts can push 12 pages a month.
>text bubbles look weird
Make all your text bubbles have the same shape, also remove those diagonal shades on the square boxes, they don't look good and they aren't even symmetrical with the rest.
My comic has its own site and a Tapastic site. The Tapastic site is far behind the domain I actually own and exists solely as a way to siphon Tapastic users to my site.
Regardless of what your hosting situation is, if you have your comic on multiple sites one of them should be The Site and should be the most current in terms of updates.
I'm actually trying out that concept now.
We'll compare notes in a few months.
If you have any suggestions, let me know.
well if they do it as their job that's easier.. but a lot of them still work ludicrously long days to pull that off (or have very long breaks so it only SEEMS like they're putting that much out a month, when on average it's more like 10 pages a month)
youll get faster over time, man
When you guys ink, do you use a single layer, or multiple?
I've only ever used one, but when I think about all the time I waste when I'm fussing over cleaning up every intersecting line, it must be mind boggling. I think using multiple layers must be an easy fix to the problem, that is no intersecting lines on any single layer, clean up the intersections, and then merge all of them, but it probably brings up other issues, like forgetting what layer you're on.
Does anybody do that?