>mfw /co/mmunists say this isn't what Cap stands for
What does Captain Amercia Stand for, then?
I hate this panel and see it all the time in inspirational threads. I understand he deals with corruption and moral grey areas, but that same type of mentality is what motivates characters like Punisher.
As a non-American, I see Captain America as being about individual liberty and freedom above all else. I see his moral position as somewhat similar to the Soviet writer Vasily Grossman: individual liberty (and freedom from restriction of that liberty) above all else, to never give up in the constant fight for that liberty, to do good and to set an example of doing good while still accepting the great, mundane evil of the world at large. America is his symbol because it is his home and a country of perfect freedom, not literally but sub specie aeternitatis.
I really like Captain America.
Because you're apparently retarded, I'll let Frank Miller explain it to you.
Well according to that panel Captain America is pretty anti-democratic, which is fairly communist and not particularly American.
I'm not familiar with Grossman but that most sounds like a pretty common version of classical liberalism.
I think I'd believe Cap over most others.
He was there and has a superhuman memory, most everyone else who'd have first account knowledge of what was happening in Europe is an old fogey by now.
The world ground him down.
>When Frank Miller took over DAREDEVIL, he told interviewers that his interpretation was going to be more lighthearted than Roger McKenzie’s had been. But as the femme fatale Elektra became a recurring character, that vision was bound to change. “Her presence led the whole series down a very dark path,” Miller said years later. “Because I was a kid in my 20s, and making up a sexy killer woman, it was bound to get pretty grim.” Miller had also been mugged—twice—since starting the series. “I never stopped loving the city,” he said. “But having a knife in your face can really change your day. The experience filled me with anger, and that translated right into my comics.”
Getting mugged a couple of times in NYC.
Crashing his marriage with Lyn Varney.
Having a meeting in the World Trade center that he was late to on sept 11, and having a bunch of friends die in that.
For me, it's easier to imagine what living in North Korea would be like. I've seen plenty of documentaries and they are HORRIFYING.
Captain America fights for nothing else than the polar opposite of that. I'm not saying America is the best (history shows we're far from it), but I'll take it any day over the alternative.
This line comes dangerously close to a gag about metaphor that just doesn't stop. I half-expect every time that he's going to talk how lumberjacks of civil activism would saw him into planks of democracy to build cupboard of freedom.
He's a New Deal Democrat.
So a lot of "let's work together for a Common good" with "the American people will do the right thing" and a side of "it's not my business as long as they aren't hurting people."
yeah death from america bombing you and propping up a military dictatorship.
Captain America stands for hating europe and europeons.
I kinda wanna see this taken in the most absolutely wrong way possible.
>Cap, come on Cap thats 15 items, this is the express lane.
>Cap a huge line's starting to form here. Please Cap, just go to a regular check-out lane
>NO YOU MOVE!
> Cap no, you can't call them "Orientals"
> Yes I can
> No, it's offencive.
> Offensive? Why the Orient is a country.
> Oh god it's Istanbul all over again.
> Whatever chinaman I'm not moving.
But after you empathize, they are still wrong and you are right, otherwise you'd adopt their worldview. And if you compromise, that mean you've lost, or at least didn't do enough.
>mfw /co/mmunists say this isn't what Cap stands for
And they're right.
>Having a meeting in the World Trade center that he was late to on sept 11, and having a bunch of friends die in that.
Also, a couple of months after 9/11, a bunch of manholes exploded on his block in Manhattan, making him think he was under terror attack again.
That statement just says that you have to be a dumbfuck.
This is why monarchist nations like Wakanda and Latveria are so advanced compared to Murica.
That's a good motto if you have happen to be "right". Unfortunately this says nothing about actual motivation, it just says "if you found something to believe in / a motivation, don't let bullies take it away from you". I don't think it says "don't take critique of into account."
Nonetheless I think it should be accompanied by pic related.
He's a fictional character controlled by any writer or artist assigned to him. The only thing he "stands" for is making Marvel a profit.
Redneck Steve seems pretty American to me.
"Everyone's saying dem gays and blacks are okay on tv, and they're all giving them rights and stuff now. They also want to take my guns away. Isn't this the land of the free? I have the right to my opinion and to do as I want. Dem niggers are apes, homos are sinful deviants and I need my guns to protect myself. The whole world is telling me to change, but the world is wrong."
It depends who constitutes "the whole world". The people in charge of the media or the state are not a majority, but they can often convince the majority to believe in and support things which are in fact contrary to their interests through manipulation and distortion of the truth. Standing up against that isn't really standing up against the majority, it's standing up in the majority's interests against a minority who are exploiting and manipulating them.
freedom to live your life the way you want without oppressing, hurting, or taking away the natural rights of others.
That's a problem with a lot of sayings like that
>Great Power comes great responsibility
Responsibility to promote the master race
>If everyone jumped off a bridge
A vaccination bridge
>Be good to one another
Including serial killers
Of course it's not a problem when you have decent sensibilities and awareness.
How is that a problem? Anywhere with free speech you should be allowed to believe whatever you like and have a right to state those beliefs.
Democracy however, something else Cap believes in, means you would have to convince lawmakers to make having sex with underage girls legal before you actually did it.
If Cap supports the Second Amendment, despite knowing the truth of how much death it causes, then he's a hypocrite and should be shot. Certain human rights no longer has place in modern secular society.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
Why the hell was this post deleted? And I got a temporary block! WTF? Captain America would frown on such pointless censorship.
>/pol/ always gets assmad and attacks liberals and SJWs because "cultural marxism"
>mfw the right wing identitarians attack the liberal identitarians while actual communists like me plot revolution and the downfall of America and the traditional family
We didn't even have to intervene, you guys just love going at each others' strawmen.
Honestly, I'd take good old fashioned stasi informing, gulag imprisoning, airbrush-you-out-of-history communists over SJWs any day. I don't really care if it's another Lenin or another Hitler but fuck those weak liberal pansies.
Trump and shillary will hang side by side, comrade.
>he thinks they're different
SJWs are what Yuri Beznemov calls 'useful idiots'. SJWs are how these people who actually want to fuck up our country get power. Most of them are probably unaware of what they're doing, but they're still part of the same machine.
That's a very strange belief that I don't really understand, but it probably comes from Americans who are either clueless as to what Stalinism entailed or massively exaggerating the threat from SJWs. SJWs are weak, literally some of the weakest most pathetic people in the world. Bleeding heart Stalinists didn't exist. Stalin blew up cathedrals, murdered and worked his enemies to death and certainly didn't make exceptions for brown people, Muslims or women like SJWs do.
Stalinists were all about privilege and how they are justified in stealing shit from and killing productive people for being privileged.
SJWs are like this, just not in position of authority. They have the same rethoric.
in this context, he was talking about the superhuman registration act. Which in-universe was a horrible idea. So really, cap was right.
Marxists wanted the common workers to take control of the labour force, which means them controlling their own labour and eliminating the middle man. It's closer to an Amish society or other labour societies than a SJW paradise. Communism is an unsustainable society and economy, but it's nothing like what a SJW would want.
The other anon is comparing Marxist revolutionaries to SJWs. Not that I support communism. You just need to look at a commie from South america or SE Asia to know they are nothing same.
His point was more that people have a right to stand up for what they believe in, even if it goes against the prevailing culture of the day. Government derives its power from consent of the governed, and the basic human rights that the founding documents of our country enshrine existed BEFORE those documents were written, and continue to exist regardless of governmental decree. That's what Cap is trying to protect, even if he feels that they are no longer legally protected.
cap stands for what's right. even if a bunch of people think it's wrong
one thing that is right is allowing people to believe in their own shit. because as soon as you start restricting that shit, the right beliefs always get destroyed first.
I don't give a fuck what he stands for, honestly never really liked him until this quote because I am already sick of the hyper patriotism that I have to deal with in the army, but I used this quote once on a speech in a communications class and got an A so I liked that
remember that at the time he was talking about how the american government and avengers and everyone seemed A-OK with turning America into more of a totalitarian police state than it already was.
He's saying that just because everyone around you is corrupt that's no excuse to just give in to corruption yourself, you are still morally obligated to do the right thing.
>What does Captain America Stand for, then?
He stands for what America is meant to stand for.
He is America, but without any of the the dirt and moral gray areas.
That is why he is someone to look up to.
What do you expect from /co/? They can never read between the lines on anything, they just take everything completely literally and fret over semantics and shit. This is true for everything, look out for it.
>But it can be taken out of context to mean anything
That's why you read the fucking comic, people can also go and take dialogue or text out of context and give them a different meaning even things people say.