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>mfw /co/mmunists say this isn't what Cap stands for

What does Captain Amercia Stand for, then?
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>>78854946
Who's Captain Amercia?
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>>78854946
He stands for whatever the writer needs him to stand for.
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>>78854960
>implying he works for the CIA
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I hate this panel and see it all the time in inspirational threads. I understand he deals with corruption and moral grey areas, but that same type of mentality is what motivates characters like Punisher.
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>>78854946
>no u, :^)
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>>78854946
He stands for whatever the liberal writers want him to stand for.
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>>78855018
So?
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>>78854946
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>>78855018
I thought the Punisher was motivated by the corrupt and inept police department and judicial branch that let his family's killers get off scot free, but that's just me.
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As a non-American, I see Captain America as being about individual liberty and freedom above all else. I see his moral position as somewhat similar to the Soviet writer Vasily Grossman: individual liberty (and freedom from restriction of that liberty) above all else, to never give up in the constant fight for that liberty, to do good and to set an example of doing good while still accepting the great, mundane evil of the world at large. America is his symbol because it is his home and a country of perfect freedom, not literally but sub specie aeternitatis.

I really like Captain America.
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>>78854946
Because you're apparently retarded, I'll let Frank Miller explain it to you.
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>>78855189
And if that's not enough then there's this.
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>>78855097
Punisher is just a guy with PTSD who had the mother of all bad days and snapped. That was the intention behind the character at the start. Nothing more, nothing less.
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>>78854946
Well according to that panel Captain America is pretty anti-democratic, which is fairly communist and not particularly American.
>>78855186
I'm not familiar with Grossman but that most sounds like a pretty common version of classical liberalism.
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>>78855189
It's amazing to me that Frank "WHORES WHORES WHORES" Miller was ever capable of this. What went wrong?
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>>78854946
The second amendment. Suck on it, liberals.
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>>78855280
You listened to memes on the internet.
Also Terrorists gave him cancer.
>>78855276
How is caving to popular opinion democratic?
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>>78855276
how the hell is that panel communist and un-american?
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>When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree by the river of truth, and tell the whole world...the Holocaust didn't happen.
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>>78855326
I think I'd believe Cap over most others.
He was there and has a superhuman memory, most everyone else who'd have first account knowledge of what was happening in Europe is an old fogey by now.
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>>78855280
The world ground him down.

>When Frank Miller took over DAREDEVIL, he told interviewers that his interpretation was going to be more lighthearted than Roger McKenzie’s had been. But as the femme fatale Elektra became a recurring character, that vision was bound to change. “Her presence led the whole series down a very dark path,” Miller said years later. “Because I was a kid in my 20s, and making up a sexy killer woman, it was bound to get pretty grim.” Miller had also been mugged—twice—since starting the series. “I never stopped loving the city,” he said. “But having a knife in your face can really change your day. The experience filled me with anger, and that translated right into my comics.”
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>>78855348
Then he got mugged again and went ape shit on the Mugger.
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>>78855280
Getting mugged a couple of times in NYC.

Crashing his marriage with Lyn Varney.

Having a meeting in the World Trade center that he was late to on sept 11, and having a bunch of friends die in that.
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>>78855276
I see Cap as more in line with John Rawls than pure classical liberalism.
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>>78854946

For me, it's easier to imagine what living in North Korea would be like. I've seen plenty of documentaries and they are HORRIFYING.

Captain America fights for nothing else than the polar opposite of that. I'm not saying America is the best (history shows we're far from it), but I'll take it any day over the alternative.
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>>78855276
>standing up for your individual viewpoint and what you personally believe in against populism
>communist
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>>78855097
>>78855227

Punisher was insane all along according to Ennis. The killing of his family was just an excuse.
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>>78856799
Communists just stand up for what they believe in, anon.
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>>78855018
Welcone to the problem of Free Will and Democracy. People can use it for evil. But so can the person who stands against it.
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>>78857112
People stand up for what they believe in, anon
Therefore everyone is a communist. Even you.
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>>78855276
Heh, the last time someone accused Mark Twain of being a communist was back in the 50s.
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This line comes dangerously close to a gag about metaphor that just doesn't stop. I half-expect every time that he's going to talk how lumberjacks of civil activism would saw him into planks of democracy to build cupboard of freedom.
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>>78855097
He is, but as always it depends on the writer. But Frank has always been a loony, even Pre-Ennis stories touch on that.
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>>78857177
Nah, I'm too lazy to stand up for my beliefs. So I believe in what the masses believe.
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>>78857112
and it's called death.

Communism always brings death. always.

>>78857092
that's lame
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>>78855637
He's a New Deal Democrat.

So a lot of "let's work together for a Common good" with "the American people will do the right thing" and a side of "it's not my business as long as they aren't hurting people."
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>>78857336
yeah death from america bombing you and propping up a military dictatorship.
Captain America stands for hating europe and europeons.
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>>78857122
He won't understand it because he's a filthy liberal.
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>>78857611
>captain America hates Europe and Europeans

Because all of you are fine living under a bunch of elitists. Also hating Europe? Really? You make it sound like its a bad thing.
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>>78854946
Being unable to compromise or empathise with others viewpoints is the hallmark of a weak mind.
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>>78857611
That page is from Millar's run on The Ultimates.
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>>78855018
Congratulations you just stumbled across the punishers entire characterisation. He and Cap are basically the same guy a generation apart.
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>>78857611
hitch's art is amazing
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>>78854946
I kinda wanna see this taken in the most absolutely wrong way possible.

>Cap, come on Cap thats 15 items, this is the express lane.
>Cap a huge line's starting to form here. Please Cap, just go to a regular check-out lane
>NO YOU MOVE!
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>>78857847
> Cap no, you can't call them "Orientals"
> Yes I can
> No, it's offencive.
> Offensive? Why the Orient is a country.
> Oh god it's Istanbul all over again.
> Whatever chinaman I'm not moving.
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>>78857678
But after you empathize, they are still wrong and you are right, otherwise you'd adopt their worldview. And if you compromise, that mean you've lost, or at least didn't do enough.
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>>78854946
>mfw /co/mmunists say this isn't what Cap stands for

And they're right.
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>>78858014
t. Freedom Caucus
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>>78855197
WTF? Why does reverse image searching that page give me

>Best guess for this image: captain america fascist
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>>78858275
Probably superdickery or similar site.
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>>78855276
That panel is individualist, which is undemocratic - and even more uncommunist.

It's the sort of philosophy an objectivist supervillain would have.
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>>78855415
>Having a meeting in the World Trade center that he was late to on sept 11, and having a bunch of friends die in that.

Also, a couple of months after 9/11, a bunch of manholes exploded on his block in Manhattan, making him think he was under terror attack again.

>>78857463
This.
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That statement just says that you have to be a dumbfuck.

This is why monarchist nations like Wakanda and Latveria are so advanced compared to Murica.
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>>78858599
wat

do you know how to use your brain?
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>>78857611
yeah, only because the other side attacked first.
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>>78858134
retarded commie
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>>78854946

That's a good motto if you have happen to be "right". Unfortunately this says nothing about actual motivation, it just says "if you found something to believe in / a motivation, don't let bullies take it away from you". I don't think it says "don't take critique of into account."

Nonetheless I think it should be accompanied by pic related.
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>>78859361
Best, truest Captain America quote right there.
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>>78857189
I doubt most people in this thread know that Cap is quoting Mark Twain
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>>78859563
No it's not. What work of Twain's is the quote from?
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>>78859839
It's a paraphrased quote from Twain's Letters from the Earth. In fact, Cap himself noted that he's quoting Mark Twain in the previous page that noone ever posts.
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>>78860332
How did Twain know to deny the Holocaust decades before it didn't happen?
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>>78860445
The same way Albert Pike predicted the Zionists would cause WWII before there was a WWI or Zionists.
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He's a fictional character controlled by any writer or artist assigned to him. The only thing he "stands" for is making Marvel a profit.
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>>78854946
Redneck Steve seems pretty American to me.
"Everyone's saying dem gays and blacks are okay on tv, and they're all giving them rights and stuff now. They also want to take my guns away. Isn't this the land of the free? I have the right to my opinion and to do as I want. Dem niggers are apes, homos are sinful deviants and I need my guns to protect myself. The whole world is telling me to change, but the world is wrong."
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>>78861314
Y'know, it's not like all change is towards progressive ideals and that's the only thing you can "resist."
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>>78861349
No, but if the whole world tells you you're wrong, you might want to consider the fact that perhaps you could actually be wrong.
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>>78861380
Right because the hivemind is always right.
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>>78861380
It depends who constitutes "the whole world". The people in charge of the media or the state are not a majority, but they can often convince the majority to believe in and support things which are in fact contrary to their interests through manipulation and distortion of the truth. Standing up against that isn't really standing up against the majority, it's standing up in the majority's interests against a minority who are exploiting and manipulating them.
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>>78854946
freedom to live your life the way you want without oppressing, hurting, or taking away the natural rights of others.
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>>78861314
So John Walker cap?
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>>78861314
It's entirely okay to view blacks as apes and gays as deviants and having a means to protect oneself is a right that should exist regardless of views but pretty much >>78862204
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>>78854946
I see a problem with that mentality.

"Well I believe in having sex with underage girls, thanks for supporting me cap. ;-> " kind of problem.
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Captain America stands for Israel.
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>>78862559
this
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There will never be a Marvel MAX about the Capt during WWII, will there?
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>>78854946
That's a Mark Twain quote, I hate the casual retards who make these pics
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>>78862559
>>78862785
That's a problem with a lot of sayings like that
>Great Power comes great responsibility
Responsibility to promote the master race
>If everyone jumped off a bridge
A vaccination bridge
>Be good to one another
Including serial killers
Of course it's not a problem when you have decent sensibilities and awareness.
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>>78862559
How is that a problem? Anywhere with free speech you should be allowed to believe whatever you like and have a right to state those beliefs.

Democracy however, something else Cap believes in, means you would have to convince lawmakers to make having sex with underage girls legal before you actually did it.
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>>78854946
If Cap supports the Second Amendment, despite knowing the truth of how much death it causes, then he's a hypocrite and should be shot. Certain human rights no longer has place in modern secular society.
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>>78862318
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>>78862819

Probably not.

Only minor characters and ones who are already edgy get MAX series.

MAX seems kind of dead, anyway.
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>>78863364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29E6GbYdB1c
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>>78857112
Communists stand up for what they are told to stand up for.
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>>78863746
>Protest harder, citizen!
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>>78855189

Okay, but "The American Dream" is such a vague and broad concept that it's completely up to the individual what that actually means.
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I don't know how anyone can be against this quote

It is effectively a long-winded way to say "stand for what you believe in"

He isn't saying ignore the facts.
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>>78854990
YOU'RE A BIG HULK
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>>78864048
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

>>78863345
Why the hell was this post deleted? And I got a temporary block! WTF? Captain America would frown on such pointless censorship.
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>>78863746
Look! More bourgeoisie lies.
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>/pol/ always gets assmad and attacks liberals and SJWs because "cultural marxism"
>mfw the right wing identitarians attack the liberal identitarians while actual communists like me plot revolution and the downfall of America and the traditional family
We didn't even have to intervene, you guys just love going at each others' strawmen.
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>>78864817
At least I can take small comfort in the knowledge that when you commies take over, both groups of identitatrians will be first up against the wall.
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>>78864817
Honestly, I'd take good old fashioned stasi informing, gulag imprisoning, airbrush-you-out-of-history communists over SJWs any day. I don't really care if it's another Lenin or another Hitler but fuck those weak liberal pansies.
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>>78864948
Trump and shillary will hang side by side, comrade.
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>>78865411
But Stalinists are the proto-SJWs of the 20th Century.
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>>78865411
>he thinks they're different
SJWs are what Yuri Beznemov calls 'useful idiots'. SJWs are how these people who actually want to fuck up our country get power. Most of them are probably unaware of what they're doing, but they're still part of the same machine.
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>>78859361
Trump should use this quote
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Really? No one posted this here already?
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>>78865411
At least Commies fight for what they want, instead of going on stupid protests and demanding stupid shit.
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>>78866708
That's a very strange belief that I don't really understand, but it probably comes from Americans who are either clueless as to what Stalinism entailed or massively exaggerating the threat from SJWs. SJWs are weak, literally some of the weakest most pathetic people in the world. Bleeding heart Stalinists didn't exist. Stalin blew up cathedrals, murdered and worked his enemies to death and certainly didn't make exceptions for brown people, Muslims or women like SJWs do.
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>>78864054
this
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>>78867289
Stalinists were all about privilege and how they are justified in stealing shit from and killing productive people for being privileged.

SJWs are like this, just not in position of authority. They have the same rethoric.
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>>78867340
Comparing Stalinists to SJWs is as retarded as people who compare Trump to fascists.
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>>78867469
SJWs will be an excuse for tyranny to rise to power.
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>>78867511
So every form of insurgency is SJW because they promise people better things?
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>>78867628
No, only ones that promise free stuff to degenerates who can't earn it themselves.
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>>78867628
>promise better things will happen when they come into power
>it all goes to shit
are we talking about SJW's or actual political parties?
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>>78854946
in this context, he was talking about the superhuman registration act. Which in-universe was a horrible idea. So really, cap was right.
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>>78867704
Marxists wanted the common workers to take control of the labour force, which means them controlling their own labour and eliminating the middle man. It's closer to an Amish society or other labour societies than a SJW paradise. Communism is an unsustainable society and economy, but it's nothing like what a SJW would want.

>>78867734
The other anon is comparing Marxist revolutionaries to SJWs. Not that I support communism. You just need to look at a commie from South america or SE Asia to know they are nothing same.
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>>78867755

His point was more that people have a right to stand up for what they believe in, even if it goes against the prevailing culture of the day. Government derives its power from consent of the governed, and the basic human rights that the founding documents of our country enshrine existed BEFORE those documents were written, and continue to exist regardless of governmental decree. That's what Cap is trying to protect, even if he feels that they are no longer legally protected.
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>>78854946
I feel like he's saying that no matter what you stand for, stand up straight?
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>>78854946
cap stands for what's right. even if a bunch of people think it's wrong
one thing that is right is allowing people to believe in their own shit. because as soon as you start restricting that shit, the right beliefs always get destroyed first.
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>>78854946
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>>78854946
I don't give a fuck what he stands for, honestly never really liked him until this quote because I am already sick of the hyper patriotism that I have to deal with in the army, but I used this quote once on a speech in a communications class and got an A so I liked that
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Does anyone has the one with Red Skull explaining the current America?
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>>78875950
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>>78854946
remember that at the time he was talking about how the american government and avengers and everyone seemed A-OK with turning America into more of a totalitarian police state than it already was.

He's saying that just because everyone around you is corrupt that's no excuse to just give in to corruption yourself, you are still morally obligated to do the right thing.
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>>78858275
Marvel Fanfare. Don't remember the issue number. It was the one with Captain America on the cover.
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>>78855018
Its literally "i-m a retarded murrikan, i can be ignorant if i want it!
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>>78879998
But it can be taken out of context to mean anything, therefore it's shit and bad.
>>78880873
Ironic isn't it.
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>>78854946
>What does Captain America Stand for, then?
He stands for what America is meant to stand for.
He is America, but without any of the the dirt and moral gray areas.
That is why he is someone to look up to.
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>>78859361
Best part of this "what if" was Iron Frank.
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>>78854946
For a moment I read that as
>Who does Captain Amercia Stand for, then?
Which is ridiculous, who is even worthy of having Cap as their Stand?
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>>78854946
looks like fan made.
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>>78879998
What do you expect from /co/? They can never read between the lines on anything, they just take everything completely literally and fret over semantics and shit. This is true for everything, look out for it.
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>>78857611
Fuck off for not reading Ultimates and being a memeing faggot.
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>>78857611
Literally everyone hates the French expect for gay liberals.
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>>78864422
What was the post about? Also 80's Cap is best Cap, Roger Stern and Keith Giffen runs in particular.
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>>78854946
He's literally just describing Tiananmen Square guy.
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>>78880942
>But it can be taken out of context to mean anything
That's why you read the fucking comic, people can also go and take dialogue or text out of context and give them a different meaning even things people say.
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>>78882521

Yeah, the issue isn't the page itself it's how out of context it's taken.

In story it was a damn fine moment but people don't get what's actually being said
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>>78886612
Even out of context, there's nothing really wrong with it apart from people try to break it.
>>78882359
Well not literally but I get your point.
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>>78875465
>patriotism
>bad
pick one
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>>78882359
>Tiananmen Square guy
>not american

such an act of rebellion gets you instant murrika status


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